I am loving these artifact tier lists by class, and can't wait for the master list. I love the break downs and comparisons you do for these. It's greatly appreciated!
Love these videos! I have a suggestion for an extension video: For each hero, compare their Exclusive artifact with their "ideal" non-Exclusive artifact and show us which one is better! That would be supremely informative.
Man I love all the work you put on your videos, deep explanations, doing the maths, examples etc. Thank you so much for everything in name of the wor community
I fully agree with the list this time! I feel most of the mage artifacts are so rough because there is a cooldown on the effect on almost all of them. If that cooldown was lower, most would be so much better. Also, early game using the watchguards wisdom on heroes like Zelus or Vierna gives a large boost to their damage since the attackspeed on those heroes is limited. So a extra attack every 5 seconds gives a big damage boost.
I actually use the watchguards wisdom on my Zelus, it fits perfectly with his basic attack with the 5sec cooldown, and because he is A1 every once in a while there will be 4 of his pool for a single second. Thanks for all your videos, they have helped me greatly with wich artifacts to sell :)
Thanks for this! Moonton's tooltips aren't always very clear so it's nice to get an idea for what some of these actually do and which ones to invest in.
About the 'Nightmare Samsara', I believe that it procs with burning hits, I've tested it on using a Azzoth and since he keeping attacking, his next ult is complete when the current ult finishes, so eternal ult for him haha, sadly I don't have a lego mage with burning to test it better...
For the watchguard's wisdom, Greed's auto attacks have alternating RNG triggers and could potentially synergize from the wisdom if you're using Greed as support and want uptime on m. res debuff. Still pretty niche though.
Hmm, I could see how Watch Guard'S Wisdom could be great on a mage with a really great main attack (like Khamet) in situations where he is also holding onto his ult for some reason. Like waiting on other champions to also be ready to ult to combo, waiting on a Delores maybe, or even just waiting until the right wave of enemies spawn. I may have to build one of these and play with it. EDIT: In the Khamet example, obviously I mean that it might be interesting in until you get and build an artifact that is clearly better, so possibly interesting mid game or in niche content.
No idea how often I will see this situation but I put the Watchguard's Wisdom on Nocturne and it helped quite a bit. There were a few different places I found myself waiting to ult either because I waiting for Delores ult or waiting for a harder wave that was about to drop. In both situations it actually helped him clear a little better but since I don't have a lot of artifacts I don't have much to compare it to.
i have pretty much got nightmare samsara on most my mages tears of twilight base on boreas need a few more for khamut and nocturne tho i think NS is second best also spellcasters echo good to
I can only say that there's maybe one exceptional use cases for watch guards wisdom (though I do like it on eona, but only cause I don't have better yet) and the soul binding crystal for osiron since he's got an abnormal base attack mechanic (which just happens to sync with the cool downs) and execute mechanic, early on if that's what you got then I'd imagine they'd do good things together, but no doubt it would an exceptional use case.
I'd like to second a suggestion from another Artifact Tier list - the color used for lego artifacts is way too similar to the color used for mythic artifacts. Using yellow would have been way better. And waiting for the healer artifact tier list! They are the most confusing to me
Will you do exclusive artifacts as well? You could compare them to the regular mythic counterparts and how much stronger or weaker they are on specific heroes. Great series, can't wait for master tier list!
So for the white tower trinkets conditional "adjecent" atk speed bonus, I am unsure what the mean. Is that only the tile in front, back left and right to the hero or are the 4 corner tiles around the hero also included?
I had higher hopes for soul binding crystal early on because I didn’t realize the cooldown made it terrible. It’d be awesome if like a Vierna killing 20 enemies in one ultimate regenerated a bunch of regen but then I guess it’d be too broken
Hey fastidious I have a question. How do we know when to stop building into atk and start working on crt dmg. And do we count the atk boost from artifacts and pathion thingy.
Does spellcaster's echo only proc off ultimates? Would for instance Boreas's Frozen purification (when he does his ice blast) or any other skill on any mage that isn't just an ultimate skill proc this artifact? Or is it just a way to basically immediately get 15% back as soon as you ult? Also would it be useless on an ult that gradually drains rage since at the time of casting it you don't go down to 0 rage? I question the depths of your dive :P
Watchguard's Wisdom could be good for Zelus or Osiren since they both can't be affected by speed so their attack will always be every 5 seconds. Doing an extra AoE damage circle could be big. Also think maybe Ajax every basic attack does AoE damage and every basic attack has a 10% chance to inflict burn also each basic attack has 15% to do AoE lighting.
@fastidious come on , I'm getting lightly obssessed here ! you have to be right for sure , but then when I look at skill it is usually N % attack as damage so if D = N*A , how does it matter if I increase A or D , even critical strikes would be just another multiplier ? please answer me so I can sleep better at night , pretty please ? :)
Whelp, I've been using the wrong artifacts. I mean I knew about Tear being the best way back and do have a couple. Sometime later I learned about Samsara and White Tower being good, and I've used both, since. However, I am also using a bunch of these other options, some even beyond 1-star, including soul-binding (my first mage specific artifact). That's an oof. Thanks for the tier-list!
Not here to say Tidal Ring should be S tier, but the math says it is the same as Heaven's Rage with an upside of slows and working on True Dmg heros. Heaven's Rage for a hero with 325% Cdmg, is a boost of 8% dmg at lvl 1 and 14% maxxed.
@@fastidious_gg I just ran my Khamet thru GR2 with identical promo Tidal Ring and Heaven's Rage. The first hit is 12% more from Tidal Ring. Subsequent hits are ~2% more from Heaven's Rage because Khamet has a night terror set with 280% CD. Just saying the higher CD you have the worse Heaven's Rage becomes
I would have to do the math but I think a speedy twinfiend would be best in Nightmare Samsara. And endgame you would want DPS out of him so ToT would be best
the damage calculation starts with ATK - DEF. widening this gap is supremely powerful. Very much outclasses and end of the calculation damage boost multiplier
By the description, Spellcaster's Echo (Recovers 15% Rage after using a skill) sounds way better than Nightmare Samsara (Restores 7.5% Rage for every 5 attacks). When you click on "Skills" you see that an attack is one of the skills so 5 attacks should give you 75% Rage which is 10 times as much as Nightmare Samsara! That must be wrong but I don't know what the right description should be.
In cultists I use elukas and greed to do the slow, and Morrigan kills meanwhile the right part with Atrox. I'd rather more powerfull kills than the slow for Morri.
@@fastidious_gg I only use her currently at the fraction trail, to clean the bottom lane solo and in VR I use her at some aspects but mostly solo as well. In VR NM there is sometimes no place for a slow unit, thats why.
How much you farming AMR? Tear of twilight, wailing skill and spirit siphon all drop very rarely for me. Now I have them all maxed. Just gotta pump up then farm numbers ma boy
th-cam.com/video/SUBGeNYiWpw/w-d-xo.html The hero has to meet multiple conditions: 1. Low rage cap, because in this case we get more rage in % per hit/tick 2. Basic attacks must trigger effects that can stuck Who I'm thinking of is someone like Greed.
we literally have worked for months on a website and weeks on a specific artifact tierlist which is interactive. keep up with the website update vids and you will see.
I would say that comparing strictly their stats isn’t exactly accurate- as a mythic has far better base stats than an epic/ Lego artifact. Which is why I go for heavens rage and unfortunate skill if I don’t have a spare ToT
@@philiphurrell5006 who’s just comparing strictly their stats? Everything is being taken into account. Even with base stats a maxed white tower trinket is better than the two you listed
@iousYTLuck of Tya is obtainable through the Exclusive Forge only. It's a Legendary that can work on any Mage and it grants it's effects only when used in the EXP Raid. It is technically a Class based Artifact and you included Amulet of Arteries in the Fighter video so it should have qualified for this video.
That Purple Orb with the rings brings a joyful Tear to my Eye. Thoroughly explained, well spoken video. Muy bueno Senoir Fasti.
Glad you enjoyed it! and yes ToT is just *chef's kiss*
I am loving these artifact tier lists by class, and can't wait for the master list. I love the break downs and comparisons you do for these. It's greatly appreciated!
Glad you enjoy it! Plenty more to come
agreed. idk if a YT series ever had me in anticipation b4
Love these videos!
I have a suggestion for an extension video: For each hero, compare their Exclusive artifact with their "ideal" non-Exclusive artifact and show us which one is better! That would be supremely informative.
already in the works
Our boy fasti always hard at work! Appreciate it, you're a great entertainer too!
I appreciate that - means a lot siff
Man I love all the work you put on your videos, deep explanations, doing the maths, examples etc. Thank you so much for everything in name of the wor community
my pleasure!
Thanks for this video and for your help, and expert advice. Once again really making a difference in the game progression with your videos.
Great job Fastidious, can't wait to see your website!
coming very soon
Thanks again fasti. Each one of these videos are gaining me alot of mythril from selling artifacts 😂
I fully agree with the list this time! I feel most of the mage artifacts are so rough because there is a cooldown on the effect on almost all of them. If that cooldown was lower, most would be so much better. Also, early game using the watchguards wisdom on heroes like Zelus or Vierna gives a large boost to their damage since the attackspeed on those heroes is limited. So a extra attack every 5 seconds gives a big damage boost.
Great great shout on TWW on Zelus and Vierna. Love that
I actually use the watchguards wisdom on my Zelus, it fits perfectly with his basic attack with the 5sec cooldown, and because he is A1 every once in a while there will be 4 of his pool for a single second. Thanks for all your videos, they have helped me greatly with wich artifacts to sell :)
Loving these videos, thanks!
totally my pleasure
Thank you for this series!!
my pleasure! the beast is almost done!
Thanks for this! Moonton's tooltips aren't always very clear so it's nice to get an idea for what some of these actually do and which ones to invest in.
my pleasure
Loving this series brother!
Great to hear! Cannot wait til it is over - the photoshop cropping is taking years off my life
About the 'Nightmare Samsara', I believe that it procs with burning hits, I've tested it on using a Azzoth and since he keeping attacking, his next ult is complete when the current ult finishes, so eternal ult for him haha, sadly I don't have a lego mage with burning to test it better...
Azzoth with promotions always has insta ult.
Thanks for a video
yw as always Hichigo
For the watchguard's wisdom, Greed's auto attacks have alternating RNG triggers and could potentially synergize from the wisdom if you're using Greed as support and want uptime on m. res debuff. Still pretty niche though.
good shout
Hmm, I could see how Watch Guard'S Wisdom could be great on a mage with a really great main attack (like Khamet) in situations where he is also holding onto his ult for some reason. Like waiting on other champions to also be ready to ult to combo, waiting on a Delores maybe, or even just waiting until the right wave of enemies spawn. I may have to build one of these and play with it.
EDIT: In the Khamet example, obviously I mean that it might be interesting in until you get and build an artifact that is clearly better, so possibly interesting mid game or in niche content.
yes well put. interesting placeholder artifact til u snag something like a ToT
Hey Fasti, really enjoying the videos ! Is there gonna be something like a hero exclusive artifact tier list?
You betcha
These type of videos are very cool and helpful.
Can't wait for your website.
thanks! coming soon
No idea how often I will see this situation but I put the Watchguard's Wisdom on Nocturne and it helped quite a bit. There were a few different places I found myself waiting to ult either because I waiting for Delores ult or waiting for a harder wave that was about to drop. In both situations it actually helped him clear a little better but since I don't have a lot of artifacts I don't have much to compare it to.
your doing a great job with the videos !!!!!
Glad you like them!
Definitely luving this list its very helpful in my building of my teams
Glad to hear it!
i have pretty much got nightmare samsara on most my mages tears of twilight base on boreas need a few more for khamut and nocturne tho i think NS is second best also spellcasters echo good to
Solid stuff
I can only say that there's maybe one exceptional use cases for watch guards wisdom (though I do like it on eona, but only cause I don't have better yet) and the soul binding crystal for osiron since he's got an abnormal base attack mechanic (which just happens to sync with the cool downs) and execute mechanic, early on if that's what you got then I'd imagine they'd do good things together, but no doubt it would an exceptional use case.
I'd like to second a suggestion from another Artifact Tier list - the color used for lego artifacts is way too similar to the color used for mythic artifacts. Using yellow would have been way better.
And waiting for the healer artifact tier list! They are the most confusing to me
The color used is very very much the one in game. I just took screenshots. Healers will be next!
I don't know if it's the video editing software or TH-cam, but in the game lego artifacts clearly have yellow background
perhaps it is the editing. I can try to fix in the future
Will you do exclusive artifacts as well? You could compare them to the regular mythic counterparts and how much stronger or weaker they are on specific heroes.
Great series, can't wait for master tier list!
I am using watchguards wisdom on nocturne woith good results, i dont have those s+ tier ones maxed tho
Nocturne is a great option for TWW
my khamut has a spellcasters echo lv19 boreas TOT base and nocturne lv16 samsara there the 3 i go for until i get more TOT
good plan!
These are great
appreciate that
So for the white tower trinkets conditional "adjecent" atk speed bonus, I am unsure what the mean. Is that only the tile in front, back left and right to the hero or are the 4 corner tiles around the hero also included?
All the tiles around the hero count as adjacent as long as there isn't an extra tile between that tile and the hero's tile
Exactly what Josh said. U need at least 1 tile of space between hero and closet ally
I had higher hopes for soul binding crystal early on because I didn’t realize the cooldown made it terrible. It’d be awesome if like a Vierna killing 20 enemies in one ultimate regenerated a bunch of regen but then I guess it’d be too broken
Agreed. as it stancds the cooldown makes it unusable imo
I used Watchguard's Wisdom on Aeon, as her basic atk does vulnerability (P dmg + M dmg) for 4sec. I don't ever use her ultimate
yea for sure BUT that 4 secs is already enough to keep uptime without any double hits triggering
Hey fastidious I have a question. How do we know when to stop building into atk and start working on crt dmg. And do we count the atk boost from artifacts and pathion thingy.
depends on so so many things. I am sorry I cannot answer that question broadly
I used the watchguards wisdom on Marri to guarantee 100% uptime on her debuff in my earlier guild boss team. That was a solid use case for it.
Super niche imo but definitely a clever use.
Does spellcaster's echo only proc off ultimates? Would for instance Boreas's Frozen purification (when he does his ice blast) or any other skill on any mage that isn't just an ultimate skill proc this artifact? Or is it just a way to basically immediately get 15% back as soon as you ult? Also would it be useless on an ult that gradually drains rage since at the time of casting it you don't go down to 0 rage?
I question the depths of your dive :P
yes only ultimate
Watchguard's Wisdom could be good for Zelus or Osiren since they both can't be affected by speed so their attack will always be every 5 seconds. Doing an extra AoE damage circle could be big. Also think maybe Ajax every basic attack does AoE damage and every basic attack has a 10% chance to inflict burn also each basic attack has 15% to do AoE lighting.
great ideas
Are you gonna do a list for exclusive artifacts as well? or only the class spesific ones?
Yes duh. But gotta be one thing at a time
Marrie in gb does a decent job with it. And early on i was using this on raiden and it seemed pretty decent
with what on? hahaha
@FastidiousYT the one that procs an extra attack.
The watch guard’s wisdom - maybe Greed? His basic has chance of debuff and his rage cap is so low he’ll be near full a lot?
Watchguards wisdom could be interesting if they introduced a mage with potent surge, especially if they have an aoe basic with some additional effects
does the tidal ring slow effect stack with shamir's slow?
nope.
Thank you again for the tier lists! ( keep 'em coming :). One quick question, why is +attack mathematically superior to +damage?
@fastidious come on , I'm getting lightly obssessed here ! you have to be right for sure , but then when I look at skill it is usually N % attack as damage so if D = N*A , how does it matter if I increase A or D , even critical strikes would be just another multiplier ? please answer me so I can sleep better at night , pretty please ? :)
Whelp, I've been using the wrong artifacts. I mean I knew about Tear being the best way back and do have a couple. Sometime later I learned about Samsara and White Tower being good, and I've used both, since. However, I am also using a bunch of these other options, some even beyond 1-star, including soul-binding (my first mage specific artifact). That's an oof.
Thanks for the tier-list!
That shirt is fire 🔥
glad u dig it
@@fastidious_gg like a garden brother, as always thanks for the supreme content and all the hardwork you put in. These artifact videos have been 👌
Do extra basic attacks from Watchguards count towards Nauvras throwing his bomb?
yes
Not here to say Tidal Ring should be S tier, but the math says it is the same as Heaven's Rage with an upside of slows and working on True Dmg heros. Heaven's Rage for a hero with 325% Cdmg, is a boost of 8% dmg at lvl 1 and 14% maxxed.
that isn't exactly how the damage calculation works unfortunately
@@fastidious_gg I just ran my Khamet thru GR2 with identical promo Tidal Ring and Heaven's Rage. The first hit is 12% more from Tidal Ring. Subsequent hits are ~2% more from Heaven's Rage because Khamet has a night terror set with 280% CD. Just saying the higher CD you have the worse Heaven's Rage becomes
Not sure if you’ll see this but how long did you farm before getting these? I farmed today and didn’t get it once!
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Spellcastor echo best in slot for twinfiend? For GB?
I would have to do the math but I think a speedy twinfiend would be best in Nightmare Samsara. And endgame you would want DPS out of him so ToT would be best
Hi Fasti, I really enjoy Ai gameplay style and would like to give her a chance, so what artifact would u recommend for her?
Isn't Crit damage equals to attack when your Crit rate is maxed out? I was using Heaven's Rage instead of tear of twilight because of that.
Can you eventually explain why, assuming 100% crit rate, Attack is so much stronger than Crit Dmg?
the damage calculation starts with ATK - DEF. widening this gap is supremely powerful. Very much outclasses and end of the calculation damage boost multiplier
By the description, Spellcaster's Echo (Recovers 15% Rage after using a skill) sounds way better than Nightmare Samsara (Restores 7.5% Rage for every 5 attacks). When you click on "Skills" you see that an attack is one of the skills so 5 attacks should give you 75% Rage which is 10 times as much as Nightmare Samsara! That must be wrong but I don't know what the right description should be.
after using the ultimate skill - not just any skill. it is pretty clear. you can also just test this for yourself - nightmare samsara is better
@@fastidious_gg Thanks. That makes sense. Sorry for being an idiot. I wish they'd get the descriptions right for idiots like me.
In cultists I use elukas and greed to do the slow, and Morrigan kills meanwhile the right part with Atrox. I'd rather more powerfull kills than the slow for Morri.
When it says 10% rage, is that 10% of rage cap or 10% of missing rage?
oh cap
*of cap
Thanks for the info. Luv your content!
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I like Tidal Ring on my Morry, so her lord skill triggers. and compared to her exclusive its just better
That is the one niche use I discussed. But do you run Morrigan with no other Cutlists with CC?
@@fastidious_gg I only use her currently at the fraction trail, to clean the bottom lane solo and in VR I use her at some aspects but mostly solo as well. In VR NM there is sometimes no place for a slow unit, thats why.
Good use then@@NightRavvvven
I gotta say this is the first game where 30% attack power is better then 30% damage
Yep
I've been playing since launch and I have ever gotten only two Tears of twilight. I would really love to see the drop rates for the better artifacts
How much you farming AMR? Tear of twilight, wailing skill and spirit siphon all drop very rarely for me. Now I have them all maxed. Just gotta pump up then farm numbers ma boy
I thought the cultist damage boost had to be on target with hard cc
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Hi the website is coming out in 7-10 days
more info very soon
Hmmmm, a maxed tome of horror on a greed sounds scary to me.
th-cam.com/video/SUBGeNYiWpw/w-d-xo.html
The hero has to meet multiple conditions:
1. Low rage cap, because in this case we get more rage in % per hit/tick
2. Basic attacks must trigger effects that can stuck
Who I'm thinking of is someone like Greed.
It would be great to see an actual list. I don't have enough hours in the day. I can't sit through multiple videos for each class like this :P
we literally have worked for months on a website and weeks on a specific artifact tierlist which is interactive. keep up with the website update vids and you will see.
@@fastidious_gg Oh, that's great to know. I'll have to check it when I have some free time
Just to say Keen Wisdom has strings attached. Having an ally within 1 or 2 tiles
fair point. but in essentially all content this is so easily controlled for
I would say that comparing strictly their stats isn’t exactly accurate- as a mythic has far better base stats than an epic/ Lego artifact. Which is why I go for heavens rage and unfortunate skill if I don’t have a spare ToT
@@philiphurrell5006 who’s just comparing strictly their stats? Everything is being taken into account. Even with base stats a maxed white tower trinket is better than the two you listed
You didn't do all the Mage artifacts. Luck of Tya would like to say it exists even if it is the worse Legendary Artifact in the game.
what is luck of tya? I literally included every artifact that exists from the normal forge.
@iousYTLuck of Tya is obtainable through the Exclusive Forge only. It's a Legendary that can work on any Mage and it grants it's effects only when used in the EXP Raid. It is technically a Class based Artifact and you included Amulet of Arteries in the Fighter video so it should have qualified for this video.
well no this is a video on normal artifacts. if it is only available from gleaming meteorite it is not a normal artifact
At least for me in GB skull it's better than tear for twinfiend (in a hallow team).