I made Star Citizen even better..
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- Star Citizen is the most immersive game I've ever played but VKB Sim sent a care package and made it even better. Dual joysticks are the way to go! Want to play Star Citizen? Head to olli.gg/StarCitizen and get bonus credits when you sign up. This was Star Citizen 3.17 gameplay.
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I can immediately explain those NPCs at the beginning. When a server has just started up the NPCs start in these grid formations. Once their AI loads in they all disperse and begin their normal AI tasks
neat!
So they don't teleport to their positions but they all actually walk over?
@@ravijntje8724 yes
Awww i always thought it was cause of a fire drill
And stand on chairs, and float up to the ceiling
can confirm, i fly with dual virpils, a throttle and pedals, and the fidelity of control that peripherals give you over mouse and keyboard, combined with head and eye tracking, you feel like a member of rogue squadron
Honestly Star Citizen has so many moments that make the game better, the NPCs at the start is indeed one of those.
lol it's not a bug, it's a feature!
@@heterosapien69 Everything is a feature in star citizen from the non existant elevators that send you to an early grave, to NPCs lining up like they're about to be sent to war we have fun regardless
That NPC standing around is creepy AF, and when you come out of a hab and find people apparently hanging from the ceiling ... this should be a horror game.
@@Glathgrundel The jump scares I've had, opening doors. I just always assume there may be a surprise couple of NPCs behind any door in a large landing zone... or player haha.
Just don't like how Ollie is acting like he's a Star Citizen content creator... he's just a tourist and hopped in for a time, after a month or so he'll leave for year until the next big content drop for the new star system coming next year (Pyro). He's not a Star Citizen creator, actual SC creators have been doing SC content long before more mainstream, "normie" people took hold of it like JackFrags and LevelCap. They have been doing it for much longer, and will continue to make SC content even when it's not "in with the times"
When you're decoupled, you can turn the ship in any direction whilst still flying in the same direction. For example, you can maintain the same heading and speed while turning the nose backwards and firing at enemy ships. Use judiciously because you will easily crash into non-moving objects or other ships since you aren't looking in the same direction that you're going.
You don't need decoupled for this, just apply thrust in the direction you want to go, such as reverse while coupled. People are confusing 6dof and decoupled.
What I like to do is setting left stick main trigger to disable coupled while holding, so i can fly insane maneuvers if needed but go back to assisted in a heartbeat.
Whoa just blew my mind...I'm doing this right meow haha
So what do you use to fire your second weapon group?
@@1337murk buttons 1 and 2 on my right stick?
@@bradenwoods1111 ah a 2 stage trigger? How do you find that when it comes to mixed loadout? I'm guessing you need to bind ballistics to the second stage of the trigger so you can fire that once you have gotten their shields down with the energy weapons
I fly with dual sticks. The adjustment going from kb and mouse to a HOSAS setup took a bit to get used to but now it feels natural and easier than kb and mouse. Plus the added precision is so nice
Dual stick and pedals here, could never go back to anything else. I do feel bad for Ollie tho, he has a racing config which will be cool for smooth flying and will prob get by doing AI bounties, but no chance to be winning pvp that way, especially knife fights against pvpers with good evasive movement that will counter move to Ollies 45 degree pitching attempts during rate fights
Yeah I switched and wonder how I ever used a mouse
Hey Olli, if you really want to see what it feels like to put those 2 sticks through the paces with 6 degrees of freedom movement, try out the Khartu-Al. With Alien week coming soon, it's just the right time to try out the little Xi'an scout.
strafe king its a ridiculous ship p72 Archimedes is great fun too
Yes, this. I've never flown the Khartu-Al myself, but I can see it benefitting greatly from dual joysticks.
It's actually a power house if you swap out the gimbals for 2 s4 hard points. I like the c-788 ballistic cannons, because they do explosive damage
I have dual VKB gladiator sticks and I absolutely love them. Certainly not required for SC, but they really add so much immersion and finer control
How long did it take for them to get shipped and delivered. Day 20 waiting for mine.
@@kmkbedsr7 it was like 2 or 3 weeks I think
@@kmkbedsr7 ...but I have heard it taking a long time for some. It's worth the wait though 😀
Mine were shipped yesterday, will hopefully be here soon!
It would be so cool if they incorporated a Cyberpunk type environment in the cities. They you would be able to take bounties both in sky or ground. Bounties could also run so you could chase on ground or in a ship. Also, you could do detective work to lead you to other planets from doing ground work!
The detective work element is already there for the tracker missions, where y ou have to go the last known positions of wanted individuals and then use scanning to track down their position. For more advanced tracker missions you have to use more advance tactics, but the groundwor (or rather, infrastructure) is certainly there to do what you suggested. With 3.17.2 and the new AI navmesh, I wonder if in future updates they will have chase missions like you suggested where you have to hunt down fleeing AI?
I'm sure lots of people will disagree, but I consider decoupled purely for bragging rights. "It's hard, so then it must be better.". AvengerOne, perhaps the best combat pilot in SC flies coupled for good reason. That 'floaty' element you described is entirely correct. You constantly oversteer and understeer, effectively making your turns sloppy and slower. Also, in space, without input, you will fly in a dead straight line, making you super easy to hit! The one true advantage is that you have more freedom to (somewhat) decouple where you fly from where you shoot
I also believe that constantly having to counter every movement just puts more wear and tear on your controls.
And since longevity of controls is a much discussed topic...
Though I do find decoupled being very useful at times. Flip and burn, is just one fun way
With landing gear down, the ship will automatically compensate for planetary gravity while decoupled.
3:53 thats the first cursed elevator i've seen in almost a week. i thought chris fixed them
There are many cursed elevators... like every time you play, expect at least one (or two, or several).
Those sticks you got there are insane and top notch! I've bought the t16000 dual sticks just a week ago (as a entry-level kit, it was a advise of one of your channel members) because i just got into the game and dual sticks are insane, so much freedom in movement.
The t16000's have been on the market for some time now but for just a bit over €100 it's absolutely worth at entry-level.
I have the same sticks. Did you figure out how to invert the throttle Y axis for the left stick? Thanks!!!
@@thebigbilltheory4388 Inversion settings are in the Controls menu. Make sure to select the correct stick in the bottom right.
@@thebigbilltheory4388 Sorry for not answering, haven't had the time to check this. Gonna also try what Buzz said :)
@@6FourNL it did not work for me. Completely driving me nuts. Lol
I've tried every conceivable combination of sticks, pedals, throttles and mice. Dual stick is by far the best for this game.
I'm a near-religious user of your keybind maps. Thank you for your continued amazing work on controllers, it makes gameplay easier to get into without becoming mired in tinkering with peripherals.
3:46 when you go to the Beyond section of Bed, Bath & Beyond
You can use a controller.
Personally I use Joystick, Throttle, and Pedals.
Pedals are for Up/Down and for Left/Right Strafing
Throttle is for Forward/Backward Strafing
Joystick is for Nose Up/Down/Left/Right and for Rolling Left/Right.
The most important thing I haven't really seen you cover much is the importance of playing with a good group.
Doing group activities is fun and adds variety which is great for avoiding people getting burnt out.
You can also ask people basically anything and people tend to know the answers.
Btw in the org I am apart of Odyssey Interstellar we have helped organise and bring ships for creators before.
We'd be more than happy to help you out.
ive had my dual gladiator nxts for months now i love them, one of the best investments ive made in gaming.
I've been playing for a year now with KBM only, but recently have been unable to get out of the house due to tearing support muscles in both of my knees. Due to this Star Citizen has become my place to explore and run around until whenever my knees heal (though they are just icing on the cake at this point). I have been trying to find the right setup and was looking into the VKBs you have yourself, your review comes at an interesting time. Thank you for taking the time to review them and give instant direct feedback as it helped me finalize my dream setup. So far I settled on knowing I want a Tobii eye tracker but missed the sale, VKB Gladiators dual w/omni throttles and maybe a control panel like you were using. I would love to hop on the HQ and do some podless-podracing. Recently started flying the 400i as a main because the MSR decided it likes to CHUG hydrogen and costs too much to take out of the hangar. Would love to see some multi-crew content, especially while your learning the sticks de-coupled.
Olli I want to fly with you someday! You're nuts I love it. I use M/K. I'd love a pair of sticks, but even one is out of my price range right now. American medical bills, even with insurance, are debilitating financially.
Thank you for waiting for daylight!!!! - it always so much more fun to watch.
Sometimes I think about making SC content, then I'm like... why? We already have Olli43! What could i possibly add? Lol I just got my thrustmasters a few days ago, I was giggling the same way about the immersive feeling haha. Love your videos man. I've been following SC for years and your the only person I've ever subbed to for it. I appreciate you being a genuine human just trying to have some fun :).
I'm not sure how it would affect the control, but if the chase cam was a bit more loosely connected to the ship I think it would look a bit better. So that you could see slight movements in the ship before the camera would start moving. There's something about the vehicle being 1:1 100% connected to the chase cam that feels a bit fake to me. (not that a chase cam is the height of realism)
This, i have wanted for so long. You're right, it looks weird
So if we where to start a squadron, we would have to be Squadron 43 “The Olli’s”
We could even use that as call signs: Olli-1, 2 and so forth
the first time i saw the npcs standing around like that it reminded me of Westworld when the narrative guy was looking at all the new bots for his story
Oddly that comparison is not to far off. These are 3D bots is the only difference. Now I won't be able to unsee that.
Part of me wants to hate you now, but since you referenced WW, I can't.
I also always turn off the screens in the elevators at microtech, just a bad habit at this point 😂
Being able to fly like that would be cool to have in a support mission. Like there's a team going up a skyscraper and you could track them floor to floor from the outside and provide fire support as they go up.
You can actually do that in the Orision assault mission (whenever that becomes available?) As you could have a teammate head to the spaceport and fly to the platforms to provide air support while you make your way through the terrorists.
Btw, you misspelled “twist” on your hud (it read as “Twitst”)
LOL what a typo. I'm such a twit.
07:02 Star Fox has lied to you, that's not a barrel roll! Congrats on the awesome HOSAS
In the first page of the settings, you can set it so the directional marker always stays visible even if its in the center. You also have a marker at your opposite way of direction that you can use to stop in a perfectly straight line if you align to it.
Before you earn muscle memory get the pedals (for full throttle control) to allow you to set to a more efficient joystick bindings. Did the initial mistake and then took me a few months to relearn all over again,
FINALLYYYY OLLI IS DECOUPLED LETS GOOOOOOOOO. *New level unlocked*
main use i have for decoupled is pulling off some wholly unnecessarily fancy landings where you spin or flip into place using your momentum to take you in. Until aero surfaces are actually simulated though i find its more of a pain than actually useful in atmosphere though
Olli, it means your FLYING REALISTICALLY, and that's something to be proud of. Congrats on the new HOSAS SET UP
yes... realistic... cus spaceships totally exist right now ;D
@@arcanumelite4853 Always has to be one person eh ? BTW, spaceships do exist unless you have lived in a hole since the 1950's.
I use mouse and keyboard for most things in SC, but just recently I got a Rockfire Gameport to USB adapter for an old Cyborg 2000 I got from a thrift store. I only really use it when im in a turret, but it makes aiming a lot easier for me. I'd like to eventually get a more modern joystick, perhaps with a throttle as well to get full flight going. But I have to first focus on my PC components because I'm running the bare minimum specs.
3:47 Almost had a Robot Chicken moment there!
Olli, the 300 series have a silly thing that you can't enter the pilot seat until the door closes. A little frustrating, but a cool bunch of ships.
Also, they fly VERY badly in atmos.
You'd think based on their shape they'd be fairly aerodynamic...
@@CarBENbased They're really good at height and at speed (like a real plane), but for VTOL manuevers they're an absolute pain in atmosphere. They're too light and flighty, and so landing becomes a real chore, especially in really, really bad weather.
Flew dual T16000s and just upgrading to the same sticks as you....awesome stuff dude.
Nice vid man! Also you’ve got some skills!
Hey Olli, nice Video like ever, and i thing we hit the Javelin!
Timely video! My VKB premium sticks with omni throttle for the left are arriving this week! No side module though. My Tobii eye tracker 5 just arrived.
Those are the sticks that I bought as well. Also that program that guy made has been around for years mostly in the late dangerous but it's a little bit of a pain to set up correctly
Nice video, a Hardware talk video would be really nice, especially the VKB sticks and attachments are looking interesting :)
it’s crazy how i was shopping for these yesterday and just now see this video!
I would love to know what all the different control panels, bases, and such are. If you could give links for where you go them, that would be appreciated. I really like that way you have the left stick at a 45 degree angle too. I honestly want to get in to Star Citizen because of the fact that you can use sticks like your setup.
I now want star citizen more than ever and also want joy sticks 😂 keep up the great work man i love your content
I was using 1 Joystick and a Thruster with a HAT but I got a Left handed joystick this week same as you and I am so happy I did, well worth it.
Looking forward to the setup guide video!
Exact setup I am wanting to get with the controls set exactly like I want to try...nice man.
currently using the Xbox One HOTAS from Thrustmaster - the throttle control has a rocker switch and 2 button on the back that I use to control left/right strafe, and up/down movement. Decoupled and boost are on the thumb control - very easy to use, nice and responsive (so far)
3:46 if you call the elevator again it will appear. Sometimes elevator is delayed a few seconds
Time to master the canyons of Daymar, lowfly life will get you used to those sticks real quick.
If you set the speed limiter to be on by default (in the options), you can set max speed up or down with one of your hats. I use the tall hat near the red thumb button. I use hat L-R to increase/decrease max thrust (good for gently landing big ships when centered over the pad), and U-D to increase/decrease max speed. When you lower max speed, your throttle is waaay more gentle for tight maneuvers in a confined space. These two practices allow me to make buttery landings on any size ship, and I even get fancy with spin landings because of the low speed control.
Ah, I use the sliders for thrust, and -- like you mentioned -- the left joystick for gently giving enough thrust to make the landing and the right joystick for articulating the nose for a proper landing.
I love ur videos and u are my favorite star citizen youtuber, keep it up!
Now you just need a 4k HDR 48" Lg Oled
I just picked up a Virpil setup finally. Stick and Throttle so I can also fly some old school jet fighters in DCS. Cant wait for it to get here...
Your Virpil has a joystick built into the throttle so no need for a second stick.
Got that setup myself, a right handed Constellation Alpha and a slightly older CM2 throttle. You'll love the little joystick on the throttle - happy flying!
@@Jackalhit I actually use my throttle for FPS because of that little stick. Stick is used for foot movement.
Hey Olli good afternoon from the beautiful islands of The Bahamas. Question for you as i was watching your video,with you using your vkbs how can i get that green graph to show up in the middle. Look for to hearing from you. Many thanks.
They should reach out for game sponsorship from companies and they can put their names on buildings! Imagine a SpaceX building!
Nice video olli.👍
Oo I like the module attachment! I'm gonna need to add that to my set up
I have a VKB omni throttle left stick hopefully turning up next week, I will use that with a mouse for a while, then get pedals, the right stick and you’ve just made me want to get the control module as well 😂
Wow! that looks really cool, i might get myself a set of those!
The screen was blurry from a precipitation fader. It was intentional, lol.
Just got one of these flight sticks and the control panel. Eventually I'll get a second stick, would appreciate an update once you get used to it and whether you think a vertical stick or the throttle stick you have would be better for the off hand.
I do hope you set up your sticks on chair mounts, keeping them on your desk like that will give you major repetitive stress injuries real quick.
Question - when you was showing the view of the joysticks I saw a mixer in background, what model is that? Also what mic are you using?
On your Left Stick, whats that box that looks connected to it. where your landing gear switch is, im not seeing it on the link to buy. just the joysticks. looks like an awesome accessory to have.
Ollie got a question you can probably answer if i linked the two sticks with thag side modle would the two controllers hit. I am looking at buying these but was wanting to link them. I know i probably need another connector.
As a guy who's been running sticks for quite a bit, its odd, but switch your yaw and roll axis. Put your roll on the twist because in space, you need more precision on pointing your nose than you do rolling. You'll find doing ship to ship combat so much easier and less tiring on your wrists if you aren't constantly twisting to bring the nose on target.
This is a common difference among players. I also use twist for yaw.
It comes from the habit of playing modern aircraft sims that do not have twist sticks in modern aircraft. And yaw axis in modern craft are not near as responsive as a space sim craft.
While your suggestion makes sense, it becomes very difficult when switching games.
And there are many who believe and are trained to roll and pitch on target is better.
I always tells folks go with what is comfortable to you.
I'm tempted to get a joystick setup, but I'm not sure if I want dual joysticks or a joystick + thruster, or whatever it's called. The Terrapin actually visually uses a Joystick/thruster combo, so if I wanted full immersion of what it's like to pilot that flying turtle then I'd go for that (plus I have flight simulator but hate the keyboard/mouse experience with that), and it's the one and only ship I have pledged so, maybe! That said almost everyone says dual joysticks is the way to go for best control, and I like flying my Talon and Shrike, can just imagine how amazing it would feel to blitz and turn with that setup in that ship. You should try it, the maneuverability might feel pretty great with those joysticks. I wouldn't know of course.
A Hotas is the way to go if you play other flight sims. It can work very well in SC too. Can always add a stick later if you want.
Lmao I saw those npc earlier I was like wtf are they doing! But I use 1 joystick but been wanting to try 2 out. Glad you made this video.
Ahh, a fan of the 300 series 🖤
I have one of each haha.
Two are 10 year insurance pledges.
Such fun, & horrendously underated ships.
Excellent content as always Ollie! Stay spicy! 🖤
Dual sticks all the way. I put thrust on the twist instead since I care less about fine control of thrust than fine control of up/down.
Hmm, that's a really good idea. I do like the fine thrust for forward/reverse only because landing is still something that can get wonky with even the slightest of twitches.
YAY, finally found someone like me who won't think I'm crazy. You twist on a motorcycle I believe, so why not.
I am planning on getting the same setup you used here, won't be soon though since it's a bit pricey. I just don't want to use the t16000 set from TM because I hear it breaks A LOT!
So better to save up for a setup that actually has good reviews I guess.
Can confirm the T16k break a lot. Mine lasted about 18 months of light to moderate use before one of the twist axis went bad, then maybe 3 months later the other twist axis died. one stick also developed a slight drift on one of the axis (able to calibrate it out, but still happens with even light pressure applied). They're good as an entry level "i don't know if i'll like using sticks" purchase, but not for anyone who really gets into flight/space sims long term
Currently have the evo's on order (sadly in EU they're having shipping issues, not VKB fault) so hopefully they last a bit longer. Especially for double the price!
Hey man, I’m receiving my vkb on Monday, saw the pic and want to ask, does they move well tho it being fixed or you did something to keep stopped?
Just brought a GNX SEM (Side Extension Module) because of you Oli, cheers.
grab some pedals, i have racing pedals (fanatech) and just have them set as forward and back. quite easy. that means my left joystick can be strafe left right/up down. and the right is pretty much pointing the ship. the only extra thing i would like is a 3rd pedal so i can assign one to space brake. at moment this is a button on left joystick
Can you give more information on that program which shows the joystick/throttle movement? I've seen some videos before on decoupled flight, but the icons of the joystick movement add a lot.
Haha love watching you discover how great hosas is. I have twin gunfighter mk3’s and absolutely love it.
Hi Olli, nice vid. How do you get the overlay of the stick on the screen? Is this a special software? I found this verry helpfull.
He explains it in the video
You probably want to fly coupled in gravity and decoupled in space, but it's down to preference. It'll be quite nice when we get aerodynamics.
I see you use the right stick twist for Yaw and nose (forward/backward) for Pitch, but it looks like you couldn't add "Roll" (left/right)?
On my right stick (T16KM) I have the same setup, but on my left stick (T16KM) I have the strafe forward/backward (thrust), strafe left/right and twist for strafe up/down.
Unfortunately my ATF request button (bind) works intermittently so I have to use my COMM Override (F11). ;-)
Like I indicated, I use duel Thrustmaster T16000Ms for flight (right stick for turret, Rover, Cyclone, etc...), mouse and keyboard for on foot and EVA.
The biggest problem with flying "decoupled" is slipping (role, pitch up, etc..., but the craft continues in original direction until thrust compensates), dangerous especially when coming in for a landing, versus touching down.
I've seen the out of power a few times before on microtech... and since i noticed that you can turn them on and off i also started doing it from time to time
Im curious what the specific setup you have, looks to be about what id want to get (eventually)
I use a Saitek X55 Rhino. I use a hat switch on the throttle to control strafing left right up down. Forwards and backwards via the throttle of course.
what graphics card are you using ? btw nice video : )
yO Olli Fantastic first impression video i must say i felt the same as you did when i tryed the duel Stick combo but i went for Thrustmasters and i can say thy got the job done for 120$
Played 1h or so with HOSAS Thrustmaster T16k and I did not stop smiling through the entire hour pretty much. Can't wait to get better at it
Awesome video! Awesome death ...lol
Was it pretty easy setting up?
Never seen this game run so smooth.. what is this man’s setup?!?!?!
What aux board are you using for the secondary flight controls?
How did you map your landing gear to separate up and down controls, there doesn’t seem to be keybindings for it
I only fly decoupled, its so much more imersive. flying thru the Canyons of Daymar or under the rails of New babbage brings me the most fun in SC at the moment. fly also dual sticks. want to try out the new racetrack on Clio so badly 🥳.. like your content by the way, like so many others. Thank you 👍
Try turning off Gsafe too, it'll let you do quicker turns but you'll blackout easier.
Hey Olli, im using MKB for SC at the moment but looking into VKB, they look reliable. Just waiting on your setup Video before I make my mind up. Take me a little while to save up for them tho.
Are you able to share your key binding setup for your joysticks? Would be interested to know as it seems your setup is really good that ive seen so far.
Let's goo! Ship flying will be X10 more fun, to watch and to fly for you.
I use keyboard and mouse and am pretty comfortable with that but I am really curious about flying with sticks, it's just a little expensive xD
Odd coincidence, but I just ordered a set of gladiator EVO's (same sticks) to replace my very much dying TM T16000's. Sod's law, i ordered them just as they ran out and they're having shipping problems 😞
Be curious on your thoughts on the usefulness of that extra left button module, as well as the angle adapter on the left stick, as i wasn't sure if i should bother getting them
Yes, I'm curious about the angle adapter as well.
Nice, very nice. For now I only use mouse and keyboard… and this się enought for daily portion of fun after work. OFC I looking for some setup, but probably ended with X56. Most of us thinking now „dont do it” or worse, but hear me out: do really we need best of the best? For regular player I think if simpler that better. Naturally I know that HOSAS will be better than HOTAS, but 6dof can be tricky without training… Ask yourself: how much do You play? 6-8h each day, or only 1-2 ocassionally?