i broke down every single miraculous ladybug hero design and put them into a tier list
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No because why DIDN"T they just give Marinette the mouse miraculous in the first place? A cat and mouse duo ALONE would've been so cute, not to mention that, yeah, Mari does rock the mouse miraculous way more than she does with the ladybug one
Agreed I like the cat and mouse dynamic way more than the lucky and unlucky dynamic
Because all the miraculous power are about myths and the mouse doesn't oppose the black cat miraculous simple?
@@myrla9745 do you genuinely think, that based off of my comment, that I have a singular care for the mess that is miraculous lore?
@@freshcupofangstthen why are you asking why? 😂
It's technically impossible.
Ladybugs and black cats symbolise good luck and bad luck,thus creation or destruction,so if you changed it to mouse it would make no absolute sense.
The reason his name is “Catwalker” is because he’s putting on a performance for Ladybug by pretending to be what he thinks she prefers. He’s quite literally putting on a show, presenting himself as some pretty object to be shown off. Like a model walking down the catwalk.
Thank you for clarifying, I actually thought it was a reference to Irish mythology with their wolf walkers, but I was still confused about it, thanks again.
that's actually surprisingly clever whattt
His Catwalker resembles the outfits Michael Jackson has worn in the 80's and up!
AND he’s a model🤯(ik it’s implied in what you said)
Yesss SAY IT LOUDER
My problem with the bodysuits isn’t the fact that they are young. Bodysuits aren’t inherently sexual, it’s all about human intent and such. But it’s LAZY. Chat Noir’s is better, with actual shoes, but they didn’t give Ladybug anything. And, with the added lore about the outfit being what they desire… you’re telling me that Marinette, the fashion designer, would go for something so simple? And what teenager would go so simple anyway?
On the pelvis yoyo, it’s just weird. It’s not strategically placed for the heroes anyway. I think they wanted something symmetrical, which is why it isn’t on the side, but it’s a poor design choice. Not just for teenagers, but for adults too.
Yeah the only reason I have a problem with the bodysuits is because I’ve seen so much oversexualuzed fanart and other disgusting things done to these characters because of their outfits which is really disappointing, and agreed the bodysuits are just boring and lazy :(
Uhhh what 💀
I think marinette’s suit is so basic because when she first transformed she hasnt got any clue and she was so scared
@@Braixtevus yeah but then it stayed that way the entire time and the show claims she could have changed it at any point if she wanted
@@abigaillynnarts i think she dont wanna change her outfit because people know her with that outfit
I have yet to understand why her lucky charm costume just didn't become the new default. It's much more detailed but also still recognizable and iconic
Yeah even though I don’t think it’s perfect I defintiely like it more than the regular LB costume
bruh it’s NOT?? i haven’t been keeping up with the show so i just assumed it was. that’s some bs on their part 💀
@@probablyjinxedno it just shows up everytime after the fight for like two minutes and then the episode is over.
(She basically creates these charms that protect people from getting reakumatized in the future (which also begs the question, why not provide one to every paris citizen instead of just one person at a time? I'd surround my house with these like old people with garlic or salt) And in order to summon these AFTER THE BATTLE HAS ALREADY ENDED, we obviously need a new animation sequence just like with the lucky charm)
@@probablyjinxed bro the only bs is you saying things without even watching the full show 🤷
@@Howaboutyes11 damn living up to your name and coming in with the heat! i never said i was correct you’re acting like i lied lmao.
I think the high amount of bodysuits has a pretty simple explanation: they're just easier to animate. Less cloth flying about, less textures you gotta render, etc. In a kids show with so many costume designs it was probably the most utilitarian choice to make a lot of the outfits simple. Not saying that's a good thing or whatever, it just shows how profit and budget can drive the look of a TV show.
yeah and super heros in general have them
I don’t know why she’s saying it’s “sexual” either tbh. Kinda disturbing imo.
@@sikka_rufr the rule of thumb for me is that no clothes are inherently se×ual and at the same time any kind of clothing CAN be se×ualised (think of how ppl like when characters wear grey sweatpants) its ultimately up to the individual and their mind, so the fact that op brought weird fanart into this is 🤨🤨
I think their aversion to bodysuits is mostly personal bias. Even then though the show is questionable in how it frames minors sometimes so can you really blame em for scrutinizing that
@@johnnodwarf1201 in a comment they specifically meant that they saw people making fanart and that made them disgusted, so literally the problem never existed witg with character design itself but with the ppl that drew the fanart
Kim’s design is actually an accurate portray of what the monkey miraculous is based off of..Sun Wukong or The Monkey King. Wukong in Journey to the West was in the best way to put it annoying or childish. So his design be chaotic is actually pretty on brand for who it’s based off of. Even the weapon is based off Sun Wukongs who can was a staff that could change sized and be as little or big as Wukong wanted.
I do agree with this, but I think the thing to keep in mind is that Kim is vietnamese and they base his superhero form on a Chinese legend. It would've been cooler if they had given him the dragon miraculous based on some vietnamese folklore. It's also a pretty big disappointment considering that there are plenty of vietnamese people in France
@@thedevilsadvocate7132I mean... The entire (main) Miracle Box is the Chinese Box. The Miraculous (minus the ladybug, bee, turtle, and fox) are based on the Chinese Zodiac animals. But who knows, I've heard Thomas is racist so it really wouldn't surprise me if he was just being ignorant.
@@starsiadraws I would argue that the fact that the miracle box is chinese has really no bearing on the costumes themselves. I think plagg said that it was based on the personality and will of the user and not the cultural reflection of the box itself. Like even ryukko's costume has more in common with a japanese dragon than a chinese one. (I don't know if this is 100% accurate though) I'm not saying Thomas is being racist with Kim's vietnamese heritage being conflated with chinese, but I thought it was a weird decision.
also sun wukong headband thingy looks exactly like the one in the show
@@thedevilsadvocate7132 There are many iterations of Sun Wukong in Southeast Asian culture too, so I don't think its that out of place, but you're right in how they could've honed in more on him being Vietnamese and giving him something that reflects that. I didnt even know Kim was Vietnamese until I saw your comment
So journey to the west is an ancient Chinese book, where each character is meant to be a metaphor for the mind. And sun wukong is often considered the best character in the book.
Ya sun wukong is really cool and basically a god kinda because he stole a fruit from the gods that made him immortal and because he was already really strong to begin with
anciant chaotic imortal demon monkie with laser-eyes, who beats up gods and monsters.
He is also the guy Sun Goku from Dragonball is based on.
my skin literally crawled when they were like "Im pretty into pop culture and I don't think this is as big as people seem to imagine" like BRUH, how can you be so insanely ignorant without even realizing? A single google search would've saved them that embarrassment
@@dokchampa9324white person
@@dokchampa9324 Not only that but the fact that SON GOKU one of the most influential characters to exist is literally based off of Sun wukong. Like HOW?
Actually horse and teleportation makes TOO MUCH sense, you use horses to transport stuff around, so it is like culmination of that use
Yess but I think I bird would make for sense for migration
@@froztyzz1409 but birds rarely transport other stuff
@@kociarzultimate384 eh, I'd say give the horse speed and give the rabbit teleportation like it jumps through "rabbit hole" portals. So basically the same it is now but space rather than time. Transportation just doesn't quite match teleportation to me, so I can't personally say it makes 'too much' sense. Transportation feels more laborous, while teleportation is like a quick jump. The words don't scratch the same itch for me
@@emackenzie however I think speed in a way exists outside of idea of transport, as it is more about oneself, than about moving other stuff, in a way taking it to natural extreme of instant transportation is good with idea of how powerful Miracolous should be, especially that speed could be also attributed to concept of "movement" when it STILL wouldn't be a "final" form of power; movementbending, or manipulation of physical energy, with accelerating onself, slowing down falling object or redirecting projectiles
@@emackenzie also, rabbit is a reference to Alice in wonderland, so it would be bad to change it
god astrocat SCREAMS “i’m here to sell toys”. and even then my sister who’s the target demographic for this show couldn’t stop laughing at how awful his design was lol.
A kid at a grocery store my mom works at stole the space ladybug toy out of a two pack between her and astrocat, so her coworker took pity on him (not knowing about the show) and put him in the storage room on a really high shelf that no one can reach without a ladder. So now this tiny astrocat figure watches over the storage room of this grocery store because a kid didn’t care enough about astrocat to take it out of the box they broke into and I think that’s hilarious
@@Hanhan.i.guess. i….oh my god that random kid had better taste in character design than the showrunners somehow 😭
It seems the only reason they made Sparrow’s costume so good at hiding identify because they needed to hide her identity from the viewer so slapping a little mask on their face that hides nothing can’t work. Sparrow feels so out of place because of that.
I don’t think it makes her feel out of place at all, a full face mask that hides her voice and face shape is far better than just assuming that everyone doesn’t have the braincells to recognize everyone else’s identities from the regular show, a full face mask is something I would assume the original cast would be totally capable of implementing into their designs, they just don’t for some reason. For me at least, sparrow feels far more believable and realistic than any of the other costumes.
@@abigaillynnartsThe canon explaination is that the masks/costumes are magically able to hide the identities of the user. Sort of like a "glamour" of fantasy stories or a light form of brainwashing. Hense why no one can recognise them despite they all have their heights, body types, voices, faces (and often hair and/or eyes) be the same as their civilian forms. Like Marinette is literally just wearing a different outfit and no one knows it's her because of ✨️magic✨️
@@starsiadraws Yeah I refuse to accept that. It’s a stupid excuse for something that could be handled way more realistically and maturely, and if Luka was able to figure it out as easily as he did clearly the magic doesn’t work consistently. Using magic as an excuse is a very very weak excuse to work your way out of a corner that just falls flat in almost every instance,
@@starsiadrawsyeah it was mentioned in the show that this is canon
she kinda looks like Hunter from TOH
I don't see anybody mentioning it- But just so you are aware. The powers that each miraculous holder has does not exactly come from what the animal is, but the idea behind said animal. Miraculous are animal spirits that embody concepts of the world. Tikki embodies Creation while Plagg embodies Destruction. Longg embodies Perfection, Nooroo embodies Transmision, Duusu embodies Emotion, Barkk embodies Adoration, the goat is Passion, and so on. Obviously some of these are more obvious in how they tie all together. Others not so much- Honestly the Dog's power being tied to Adoration makes more sense to me than the Ladybug being Creation.
i think thats good luck to creation contrasted to the black cats bad luck destruction, but although this is the explanation in the series i think there could be something better to represent creation and destruction. or not even creation or destruction, just the grand general concepts of positive and negative, that way it would place much more importance and totality to those two in specific
It's fine to not know about Journey to the West, but I wouldn't insinuate that people are overplaying it. It is kind of a big big deal especially in certain cultures.
To be honest it is strange to not know what it is. It is a very popular character in many media, and I guess the author of the video just not very knowledgeable of Asian countries, esp she referred to samurai.
@@milkkafe2829yeah Samouraï isn't very Chinese.....😅
The irony about the Astrocat design, it actually alludes to the true form of the kwami of destruction. As it two has bat like wings.
Although I agree with most of your video, I find your gripes with the magic being able to protect from space weird. Like, just because it's called modern physics doesn't mean it only started existing when we started understanding them in modern times. Space already existed before modern physics were a thing, why couldn't the ancients try to make magic to navigate it? Back then, they didn't understand the mechanics of how the eye captures light and they still made the fox's illusions. They didn't know e=mc2 and they still gave everyone superstrength. We _still_ don't understand much about how time works and they still created time travel.
My main issue with it is mainly that "because magic" is often used as an excuse to just be lazy with designs. Some actual space suits and helmets could have been adorable, but instead we've just got marinette in space with her dome exposed
I just despise how marionettes ears and hair are exposed, like it would’ve been fine if she had better protection LIKE ADRIEN DOES. But for some reason she doesn’t and it bothers me, they’re not as matching as they should be in my head
it was a really friggin weird choice to only give one of them a full helmet, it creates this weird asymmetry between the two suits. you wouldnt have to wave it off as magic if they even sorta made it look like she was protected from space
The only thing I find weird is to take a show that doesn't take itself seriously, seriously. Like, everything about this show could be improved. I don't think, "your scalp doesn't protect against space," can pull me out any more than the other stuff.
I mean... The entire genie repair everything button the ladybug miraculous has is enough to make me go, "well, that doesn't make any sense. But now I know the writer can pull literally anything out of their ass." Same thing with the magic dimension breaking wish you can make with earrings and a ring, as well as time travel.
The world building just doesn't have any ground to stand on. The miraculous *can* and **does** break the laws of physics at any random point.
Person above me, YES. That is a great point. I just don't expect anything from the show.
@@emackenzie also, we learn that the costumes the heros wear when they are transformed are from what the user imagines in their subconscious.
My point being: any modern miraculous user would know about space, light, and gravity (whatever e=mc^2)
So marinette shouldnt have an exposed helmet. She should have a helmet like astro cats.
"I'm not ranking Chat Blanc because it's an akuma design"
Fair enough, but Volpina is also an akuma design. Yes, the necklace she wears looks identical to the fox miraculous. But she had it made at a jewelry store and the powers of illusion were bestowed upon her by hawkmoth. I'm not sure how you missed that one, but it's very clearly stated in her introduction episode
the reason I included volpina in this section is because if she had the real fox miraculous i believe this is exactly what she would look like. It’s very clearly meant to be a miraculous holder costume since that’s what she was pretending to be.
@@abigaillynnarts I don't think she had the real Miraculous. It was just a pendant that looked like the fox.
@@SpagettiSpeltWrong it’s still what she would have looked like if she had the real miraculous, so to me this qualifies under the miraculous specific designs
@@abigaillynnartsso your logic is that an akuma with the concept of a hero is good to rank instead of an akumatised hero? Yeah that makes more sense then the alternative actually.
I love how she complains about Vesperia being a wasp and not a bee, and then in the monkey miraculous she says that a lemur would be a good idea for a suit 💀
We love consistency
Is a lemur not a monkey? Genuinely didn’t know a lemur isn’t a species of monkey that one’s my bad
@@abigaillynnarts They're both primates but that's it, I believe. Not the same species but obviously kinda related
@@abigaillynnartsgirl u literally said at 52:32 that lemurs werent a type of monkey what😭😭
@@gwan1714 ok so if we argue that substitutions for similar species aren’t allowed then why was the rat swapped to a mouse, clearly they were allowed to swap species for animals that were similar for the rodents, why can’t they do the same for the monkey?
(Side note: I don’t remember everything about every species of animal I look up nor do I remember the entire script for a video I made over two months ago)
@@abigaillynnarts They aren't saying it's not allowed, they're simply saying that you yourself had an issue with the bee miraculous making someone look more like a wasp or yellow jacket. (I'm only trying to help inform, not argue, this is not hostile at all. Please don't yell at me lol.)
I think the body suits work for two reasons, one they’re easy to animate, two they help keep a consistency between all the heroes and make them read as a team to me. Argos, hawkmoth, and mayura straying from the latex superhero outfit and going with a formal wear look helps define them as not on the heroes side. That being said the body suits can be boring and uninspired, especially if the right textures and armored parts aren’t utilized and I think your criticisms of them are valid mostly because they can be boring.
Sun Wukong is from the journey to the west, it's an allegory for enlightenment in which everything is metaphorical with Sun Wukong or "the monkey king" representing the mind (he goes through a whole thing of starting out as impulsive and becoming more mature & goal oriented).
It's not super well known by everyone but it has definitely left its mark on modern media in a lot of ways.
Also Dragonball gave it a bog attention boost for Western audiences
the journey to the west is an incredibly influential story
I’m still very salty that Scarbella didn’t get that Afro. I believe it would have complimented the hair band much better
Where does Alya come from
@@wolfstormwizard424 India I think
But I thought Alya was Indian based on what her mother wears
I really like Cat Noir's costume. I like how when you look closely at it, you notice more details. I also like the bell, I just wished that the show took the time to add a bell sound affect when he moves.
That would get annoying very quickly.
@@grandempressvicky6387not if they did it strategically, like when they hve moments where Cat Noirs is entering the scene with Ladybug just have a slight bell sound go off so we know that hes approaching before he even speaks
i feel it would really fit into the whole tamed black cat theme, even though he’s as quiet as a cat he allows himself to be heard by Ladybug when approaching
In the movie they did it and it was so cute
My poor little chinese heart cried every time you said Fu's Jade Turtle was very "Samurai" like 😰😰😰
Marinette's hairstyle as Multimouse is also not culturally acknowledged as "space buns", since she's half-chinese per her mother's heritage it'd be "Ox Horns" (very good visual for the mouse sure, not so much when in written context😅)
It's understandable not to know who Sun Wukong is since Journey to the West and it's myriad of cheesy tv shows can be very niche to the west though and Chinese mythology isn't as well spread (even if Wukong is like the one very well spread pop culture icon with Dragonball and LEGO Monkie Kid being out there)
Finally a comment mentioning lego monkie kid omg dont mind me im just hyperfixated on it right now
@@amagicalbeing7427 Has no one mentioned it yet fr? It's so good!!!
Then again I guess LEGO's main target was CN to begin with, it's really not as widespread as it should be :(
@@Polloricono yeah ive been searching the comment section for it right now your comment was the only one who mentioned it and I agree its so good more people should really watch it
lego monkie kid mentioned, day made
Her whole section on the monkey King design just gave me that stereotype of average ignorant white girl tbh 😭
In my opinion, Kitty Noire’s design is the most foul, revolting, vomit-inducing superhero design in this show. Yes I searched up synonyms for “disgusting” just to find words to describe how atrocious her design was. Now, I’m usually an optimistic person that likes looking for the positive sides of things, but in this case, there is nothing positive (ok fine I’ll admit the design of her attire is actually not that bad, and I kinda like how it leans towards a casualish badass punky look rather than your typical skintight bodysuit). When I first saw footage of her, I immediately assumed she was a villain because of how vile her design was. It looks like Halloween got sick and puked all over her, and they’d probably puke again after seeing her horrid design. What did they think they were doing with those orange eyes? That sickening messy yellow and green hair? NEON GREEN LIPS?? It’s like the designers spun a wheel to choose her different attributes because everything is so random and doesn’t go together in an aesthetically pleasing way AT ALL. There were so many better ways they could’ve gone about the design of a sweet character like Zoé and they chose all the wrong ones.
Man, people really hate that design don’t they?
I honestly love the design but the lips are too bright.
Personally, I really don’t like it too!
Ikr? When l saw it l literally puked
When I saw it I was like “why’d they do Zoe like that 😭😭” It had like 5 different colors that clashed horribly and the puke green highlights made it worse
This is overall a pretty good video, but your bias in certain costumes definitely bogged it down a bit.
Sure, everyone has bias, but to act as if other costumes are bad while others are good while both suffer from the same problems feels like a double standard.
I’m not a character design wiz, but criticizing King Monkey’s design by saying “it’s silly” but then immediately doing a 180 and saying you like Rooster Bold’s design despite it also being considered silly, feels unfair. You didn’t actually talk much about the design of King Monkey, besides saying it looked goofy and the hair didn’t work, but considering the design’s so heavily based on Sun Wukong, the hair makes sense.
Same goes to Viperion and Aspik, I feel both designs are very similar not counting the swimming cap, so implying one is more recognizable as a snake than the other even though both are super similar feels a bit wonky.
Maybe that’s just me though, I haven’t watched the show myself.
(also you could’ve just. Googled Sun Wukong and Journey to the West. This is a TH-cam video, you can do research for it beforehand yknow)
Edit: spelling
Hey I really appreciate this comment :) for the king monkey one, my main criticism with it being silly is that the entire concept of it is the be silly, his powers are silly, his costume is silly, his thing to make other people’s powers not work, the entire concept is that he exists to be silly, whereas with rooster bold most of the “this seems a little silly” comments were guided towards certain areas of the design, specifically the feet and the mask, but not the concept of the character as a whole.
For Aspik and viperion, I feel that viperion fits better as a design because of its strength with shapes, it’s form, and it’s contrast between colors, while Aspik is a lot weaker in those areas, which is why I rank him lower. Yes they have similar colors and similar forms, but luka’s design utilizes those design aspects a lot better than Adrien’s does.
Also I agree that I could have done more research into sun wukong, and if this were a franchise I cared about, I absolutely would have. I’m already doing much more research than I would like to for my villains video, so in the future (more so on my future second channel rather than this one) there will be more “research” into things, I’m also rewatching mlb to make some video essays on why the show is badly written, so the context is slowly beginning to come back for me rather than in this one where I’m approaching half the designs without a clue what’s going on :)
Yeah❤
35:54 that transformation made me go "dayum" out loud 💀
I feel like you've heard this comment a lot but I think Kim's monkey design being based on Sun Wukong is really nice. Sun Wukong is a Chinese mythological god and, maybe it's because I'm asian, it was immediately recognisable to me. Sun Wukong is known to be a trickster and that suits Kim's personality of being aloof and chaotic and jumpy quite well.
They could've done way better on the design though, there are many Sun Wukong inspired characters that do it way better (Monkey King from Dota 2, that one Talus skin from Paladins, even the more loosely inspired Tang Xuan from Dislyte come to mind). Maybe more red and gold instead of that ugly, dull beige, looser and more flow-y cloths like bellowed pants or a cape or even large pieces of rope, shaggier hair or even just more asian inspired clothing in general.
Sorry to seem like every other comment but I just wanted to show how versatile and recognisable Sun Wukong is as an inspiration to monkey based character designs (at least recognisable to me, because I was surprised not many people knew Goku was inspired by him). Hell, even I've made a character inspired by him. Sorry for the rant, but I just have a soft spot to Sun Wukong and I thought it was pretty ignorant that you dismissed this homage, a single google search would've immediately told you about it
edit: ive just realised that Kim is Vietnamese, and I see some people complain that he's a Vietnamese character being inspired by a Chinese mythology, but I will say that Sun Wukong has many iterations that travel across East and Southeast Asia, so to me its not that weird because of how recognisable he is in Asian culture as a whole, but it is a little messed up that they didn't give him a Vietnamese inspired mythology costume because until I read the comments, I didn't even know he was Vietnamese. I'm not in defence of Thomas, he has done some batshit insane things to the asian characters in the story, but I feel like to dismiss an asian character being inspired by an asian mythology is quite shady
Mind showing me that character inspired by Sun Wukong you made really would like to see it!
I'm a pasty American and I definitely know that guy. His general appearance anyway. Over here I think we do the gimmicky thing and emphasize, "king of monkeys."
Is this the guy that was trapped under a mountain by the gods for a few hundred or so years?
All that said, there was a TV show on Netflix. I'm okay if I'm totally wrong I watched it in middle school.
@@jewels3400 Yes he was trapped under a mounter for a long time after by the gods you are indeed correct. They did have a reason to put him there though but that's finer details.
Very interesting to hear you dont know about Journey to the West or Sun Wukong. He was literally the inspiration for Goku, there is a Lego series heavily leaning on it and literally every monkey depiction has a 50% chance to be inspired by Sun Wukong. Journey to the West is an immensely important part of literature (i think it literally invented a lot of the most well known tropes in media?) and honestly pretty funny. I'd recommend Overly Sarcastic Productions videos on it.
Edit: It's so lovely seeing yall be so nice in the replies! :D
It shocked me when she said that. I had watched the Overly Sarcastic Productions video on Sun Wukong and Journy to the West then I found out Goku was based on him. I do wonder how someone can go so long and not know who he or the literature he came from is like that's super interesting to me...
Not everyone needs to know he is 💀
@@Howaboutyes11 They don't buts its wierd to not know who he is considering how famous Journy to the West is...
@@MatthewTheEmperor it’s really not-
@@Howaboutyes11 Actually it is quite famous! It has had multiple movies, shows, characters and the like based of off it... So it is very well known!
in defense of astro cat, there is a precedent for cats with bat wings. It's called a bastet and can be found in the King Author myths.
edit: I'm pretty sure those spikes on the boots are just the seams that distinct the suit from the boots
Her: “I won’t take magic as an excuse for this shows lazy writing”.
The show: Set in a completely CG Paris where magical bug-mice can destroy the moon.
EXACTLY. The only consistency we are given is, "these guys break reality on the frequent." Even though the design is still 🙃
The thing that Natalie has as mayura is called a fascinator. It's a type of a hat or a hair accessory. Usually attached via a crocodile clip. Most times you can see it in like dramas when there's a funeral of some rich guy but also if you look at opera premieres. And they can get really expensive. My grandma lent me one for a school event and I asked "how much was it?" bad idea. It was over 100€
I really can't get over the camouflage argument for cosmobug. Is it a good design? No. But I really feel like you're forcing an idea of what you think it *should be* (camouflage) vs what it actually is (garishly bright and noticeable in every single conceivable way). Astrocat doesn't even really work for that argument because he was already black so nothing changed, except the massive glowing neon wings screaming "notice me", just like Ladybug who was red- stayed red- and became a Vegas sign. If she somehow went up with Rena Rounge or Queen Bee you wouldn't even be able to consider a camouflage argument
even if camouflage isn’t the primary goal of the designs they’re still extremely impractical and as I mentioned barely functional, so they are still fundamentally broken, ridiculous designs
@@abigaillynnartsTo be fair, I don't think any costumes in MLB are supposed to be practical or functional (except Sparrow, who also doesn't have any powers and relies on tools to be a hero). /neu
@@starsiadrawsfunctionality and practicality is a necessary part of a costume, if it’s literally only just for style you’re going be shredded instantly which is what would happen to nearly all of these characters if not for plot armor and the rating of the show. to give even a shred of believability you at least need to abide by the basic laws of physics.
@abigaillynnarts Okay but why should a magical girl (And yes, MLB is a magical girl show first and a super hero show second, fight me.) show be even tiniest bit realistic or believable tho?
@@thefresheststar Because character design and costume design should tell you something about the character. Even in the most high fantasy magical settings the designs need to fell grounded, not because of realism, but in order to convey info to the viewers.
Ofc, you can make a design purely out of things that look cool, but you run into the risk of running yourself into a corner if it isn't even a little bit grounded into the setting.
Functionality is one way to do it as the viewer can easily recognize the different parts of the costume as serving a purpose. i.e. an astronaut helmet or thick clothing will signal the audience about a significant change on the environment that requires those changes (like being in space).
I think we ALL know why Ladybugs costume is so simple though.
It's cheaper to make toys.
(Also Pigella always gave me more Chibi Moon vibes with all the pink and small buns)
true the toys are all the funding for this show
Journey to the West is an incredibly influential piece of old literature, especially in Asia. Lots of characters/media directly reference it. The most known being Dragonball and Monkey D. Luffy from One Piece. Something more iconic from it being the whole riding on a cloud power.
Overly Sarcastic Productions has a whole series on the story if you want to get acquainted with it :)
44:35 that's exactly what I thought when they gave Sabrina a miraculous dog really horrible thinking, it's insulting to Sabrina to say she's just a servant, a dog, why didn't they give Sabrina the miraculous chicken, she used to turn into the villain miraculer that can steal other people's powers the same way the miraculous chicken gives the user power, to imply that Sabrina there's always have potential to be special when she's seen as invisible. they slap her in the face, and i hate it.
True. I also thought about it. But it could be done in a cute way; if Chloe stayed with the bee miracukous. Like she's the queen bee,Sabrina is her loyal friend like a dog. That would be a nice dynamic.
idk i think it's accurate asl
i hate how marinette dosn't have any shoes LMAO its like running around in those footies pajamas and I cannot imagine running around in that with no shoes its like saving the city in socks and I hate it
As someone who does accept magic as up to 3/4 of the explanation, I still think cosmo bug should have gotten a full helmet. A magic suit isn't going to help if it doesn't even cover your head💀
Mister Bug's design makes me realize they know how to properly handle a ladybug suit design, yet fail to use that philosophy on Miraculous Ladybug.
Exactlyyyyyy
53:12 Journey to the West is one of the most famous stories from Chinese mythology. Sun Wukong being the main character of said story. There's a lot more to it so I'd recommend looking it up if you're curious
Lady Ice has a pretty costume but her hair is dissapointing. She didn't change except the tiny crown at the top. If Mari had a bun like ballerinas or a side ponytail that would be cute. It's a special transformation, she should have a different hairstyle or at least colorful strands. It could look nice in pale blue or silver 🙂
I don't like Pegasus's costume. He doesn't look like a horse at all! What i see is a guy with braids and sunglasses, not a hero based on a horse. If he had horse ears, a tail and hooves on his boots it would be cool. It's not ugly but a bit boring!
So so so valid
It’s so disappointing to, you could make a lot of unique stuff from ice and a skirt or something to look like a figure skater. That’s why the bodysuit has SOME sort of reason is to look like a bodysuit. But no, just make a low quality beat up basic cookie cutter Elsa.
45:33 corgi = british
Felix = british
41:32 I do not remember Luka’s transformation sequence slaying so hard?? Idk if it was just because it was sped up but the way he closed his fist after he got his mask was kinda like…💅...for lack of a better way to put it lol 😅
I'm glad someone else noticed Luka's transformation looked kinda 💅 lol
1:03:33 “it’s just a kids show” if your saying kids don’t need quality content. Why? It’s a great way for them to learn valuable lessons. I also first watched miraculous ladybug when I was younger, it’s only when I reached my teen years where I was like, this show is kinda screwed up. Miraculous ladybug kinda ruined my perception on how female friendships work, especially if one friend has a crush. Now that I’ve got friends and realizing how kids shows like Miraculous ladybug taught me toxic expectations, I’m kinda pissed. Media can influence people greatly. The “it’s just a kids show” argument is refusing to acknowledge how huge of a role art and media plays in our society
EXACTLY, kids may not process it in the moment, but when they grow they’ll realize that the bad messaging and poor quality of relationships and character work done in what they watch can and will influence them in negative ways, it’s such a huge issue that more people don’t realize that it’s important to treat kids with the same type of respect to storytelling as adults
honestly the space bug one is a too harsh of a criticism tbh. yes its supposed to be magick, but can we just talk about the design standpoint instead of focusing everything on functionality??? like i like the red and white, it feels very sleek. also i like the stars, very pretty. u can be mad all u want on functionality, and i do ithink the ears may be a big oversight, but like,, you focus too much on that.
ultimately the functionality determines for me whether or not I can believe what is on the screen in front of me could actually exist, I understand other people are willing to accept less functionality for style, but for my personal preferences, functionality takes priority for me. I prefer gritty grounded realism over pretty and stylish magic.
@@abigaillynnarts to be fair, this is miraculous we're talking about, I feel like expectations should suit the medium they're in.
I think Gabriel's costume doesn't look like a butterfly because Gabriel isn't "one" with his miraculous. He's wearing it like its clothing rather than working with it.
Kitty Noir in D Tier? Oh hell no that sht deserves to be ranked even lower than Aspik
Honestly agreed
Bodysuits aren't inherently sexual, but the costumes in this show aren't simply tight fitting, they look painted on most times, like can see the belly lines type of stuff, thats why I have a problem with it. There is nothing there to indicate there is real cloth on the body, especially for the girls.
Exactly, and I feel that because of the painted on nature of these costumes, especially for the girls, this is why so many people, including official artists for the show who are on the mlb creative team, have created nsfw art of these minor characters, that Thomas as PUBLICALLY SUPPORTED and allowed, which is why I have so many problems with it.
@@abigaillynnarts
and then there is the official comic having a scene of her being naked.
Sun wukong from journey to the west is in many popular games. Journey to the west is in fact the main inspiration for Dragon Ball and if you know anything about the story it is pretty noticeable.
It is probably the most popular Chinese story. And it has been an inspiration for characters, tales, etc. Specially sun wukong, and even in media that doesn't feature him directly.
If anyone needed to know.
That's probably why people were surprised. There's lots on common ground with videogame fans, anime fans, and cartoon fans, so specially in these circles you usually have at least heard a bit about it.
About the space suits: no, i dont think they are intended to blend in, but also
What I dislike about the helmets is
If you are gonna pretend that they need helmets and that the magic is not enough to give them air
Then make the helmets air tight!
It's either
1) they don't need helmets bc magic
or
2) they need functional helmets
You can't do something inbetween!
every time adrien put the snake on was a crime against humanity
I am SO mad that they only kept the first monarch design for a couple of episodes or so. Is it a bit funky? Yes. But it isn't boring or just plain ugly like the permanent version. I loved the rainbow butterfly on his chest so much, and I screamed when he transformed into the new version. It would also surely look better without all the miraculous stuff around it. As a plain butterfly-miraculous suit, it would've been so nice. Probably even better if they adjusted it more to Nooroo's colour palette, but honestly I would've been fine with the design we had. More than with the abomination that is the current one
fr like hes balder than ever
Sun Wukong, also known as the Monkey King, is a character from the Chinese epic Journey To The West. Journey To The West is one of the four great classic stories from China. It is a very old very culturally important story.
Sun Wukong is probably the most popular character in the story. As someone who knows a lot about the story, I think that the design actually does a very good job of capturing the essence of the monkey king, especially with the mask. The hair is also very indicative of the monkey King. If you look at any character that is based off of Sun Wukong, you’ll find that that hairstyle is quite popular in his depictions. I do wish they had added more red to his costume, though as Sun Wukong is often depicted with a bit more red. Sun Wukong also was also described as having red eyes caused by smoke damage, that would’ve been cool to include on the design.
23:24 bro what... WHAT? how do people ACTUALLY have that thought as their first impression of queen bee's weapon?! the fact that they could even think of that is wild...
What’s exhausting to me about Sparrow is that the entire reason the design hides every aspect of her identity is because she can’t let any of her friends and family know she’s putting herself in danger by being a superhero….. you know, the entire basis of the superhero identity crisis plot line? They managed to successfully achieve everything the main cast hero designs lacked in a one off character design for a movie special….
Every comment you’ve been making has been so incredibly correct, could not agree more
Honestly I agreed with most if not all of your analysis with the hero costumes. But the way you criticised King Monkey just gave me the ick, Sun Wukong. Is a iconic Chinese book character, and ignoring the stereotypical inspiration they given King Monkey’s design.
Your tone used on ‘Journey to the west’ gave me such an ick, it sounded so condescending and ignorant?? And the whole comment of it not being a large part of pop culture is just entirely false, Sun Wukong is the inspiration of Sun Goku. Which even if you don’t watch the show, you gotta at least know about the character. And for the show to be based off CHINESE culture to begin with. And our main character, marinette being half Chinese. It just felt so ignorant and arrogant, it’s evident that you didn’t do any research on the topic before you posted this video essay. Which, this is a PRE-script video, you had plenty of time to do so. And it’s just plain ignorance not to do research on Sun Wukong, MLB on its roots is based off the Chinese zodiac signs. Hence, the animal themed superheroes. (Although I really don’t know why they put cat and ladybug there because it’s not in the Chinese zodiac at all, the cat has a bit of history to it but ladybug doesn’t.)
I did really enjoy your video, but hopefully you do more research in your future videos especially those related with cultures.
Yeah, that was baffling. Love how she assumes that Journey to the West "just must not be that big a thing in Western culture" and not that SHE'S just ignorant. Pure arrogance because no. Journey to the West is arguably one of THE most influential stories in all of literature, it's EASILY up in the bracket with the works of Shakespeare and Dante Alighieri. There are countless tropes, character archetypes and arcs, plot beats and more that can be traced directly back to it. If she's seen pretty much ANY anime or anime inspired work (like Miraculous), then she's seen work that has shades of Journey to the West.
@@DCreed013 And Journey to the west, at least here in Southeast Asia. Is STILL prevalent in medias. I vividly remember my parents watching and rewatching the show adaptations of Journey to the west, hell, most students who ARE Gen Z. Still remembers it to this day. (At least where I live, am not sure about others however.) It’s very annoying and frustrating to see someone who’s white give such a backhanded comment to something that IS popular, and had a huge impact pretty much everywhere. Especially in Asian culture.
I think the space designs are very pretty, really wish cosmobug had her neck and ears covered both for the being and space and also because it doesn’t look great. I like them because they’re visually appealing to me which is a win when you see some of the other costumes which are so ugly (misshound).
For the lady ice outfit, yes it’s obviously not functional, but adding anything that restricts any movement would be less realistic. There are body suits that can keep heat trapped (ik cuz i have one myself). If you added a coat that wasnt thin or skin tight it could get caught or be used to the enemy’s advantage and leave you in a position where you could be in a lot of danger. Honestly anything that could possibly put you in immediate danger is immediately dropped a grade, no matter how pretty you can make a suit it has to be able to keep you safe, make sure you can move around, it cant restrict your vision, and it has to be confortable as to not distract from the fight itself.
Any thing like long belts, tail coats, capes, any hair that obstructs vision, sunglasses, jackets, baggy anything can all be a risk to the safety and well-being of any character, if you look at marvel, all of their designs are never including any of these unless the character can handle themselves even with it. For example Dr. Strange has a cape but Practically has eyes everywhere and can obviously handle himself. You said that you would criticize these costumes based on 3 rules one of those being functionalism, even when looking at rooster bold who can obviously be pulling by the tail if the enemy was close enough he was still put relatively high up. And yes it looks more like a rooster but they couldve made it shorter rather than long.(Theses are my opinions and im open to criticism)
All of that makes perfect sense, but not in the context of this show. If Cat Noir can have a literal tail belt, Ladybug can have a jacket
"Any thing like long belts, tail coats, capes, any hair that obstructs vision, sunglasses, jackets, baggy anything" literally all of these show up on other miraculous holders, it's not a safety consideration it's just a design choice
@@emackenzie yes but if the show was realistic all the characters would absolutely be dead by now, its not a matter of the shows context, it’s what is the most safe for the characters. If you put a real person in a real fight setting and had these features, you’d be setting them up to get killed. If you look at The incredibles for example (its a weird example but it makes sense) Edna makes the hero’s super suits and she is strictly against capes, this is because lot’s of clients got killed when she had them wear capes and she even uses this (i think) to get Syndrome, Buddy Pine, killed. This is one of many reasons why its a bad design choice and unethical.
Learning there's a pig-themed superheroine in this and she's based on Sailor Moon and not Tonde Burin has me like "oh, come on..."
I just looked up tonde burin and omg this is so fr, there’s already a superhero pig that’s really cute and would have been great Inspo
The missed design opportunities for the multi designs pain me. And the thing that makes ranking designs difficult for me is that I always inevitably find something I like and then my brain hyperfixates and exaggerates that one thing lol
Random question but how would you design them? I'm super curious
Probably change a lotta the simplicity. That’s the big thing for me. It’s not the body suits themselves for me. Add more elements from whatever the other miraculous that’s being merged etc. maybe one day I’ll do a video on my channel idk @@yuhhbaby3179
When you said that Nathaniel was the only character in this show that you cared about, I literally screamed out loud in happiness because OMG YESSS SAME!!!! This show doesn't deserve him. I could write an entire essay explaining why I relate to him so much and how he had so much potential to become a great character and hero that the show refused to tap into. Also can we just talk about how awfully bad a debut episode Penalteam was for Nathaniel? I mean, seriously! Nathaniel literally has a fascination with superheroes and a hero persona he created for himself! And yet he had one of the most god awful hero costumes, powers and debut episodes in MLB if not the entirety of fiction! And his reaction to finally becoming a superhero for real was kinda underwhelming too. They could have done so much more with him to make him an actual memorable hero, but sadly that's too much to ask from this show
I have a second channel in the works where I’ll be breaking down the Mlb seasons and I realized upon rewatching that evillustrator is the only episode I liked because it presented the opportunity for marinette to have won the battle against Nathaniel without a battle at all. If she hasn’t opted to manipulate him, and just have a genuine conversation with him, he likely would have renounced hawkmoth and the conflict would have been resolved completely peacefully and without the use of superpowers, which would be a great message that you don’t need powers to solve every problem you may encounter. Given that Nathaniel was very clear form the beginning that his intentions were never to hurt anyone (until manipulated by marinette,) and his only desire was for marinette to return his feelings, there was a great chance for a much more mature take on their interactions, and I wish the show had the idea to go through with that.
@@abigaillynnarts omg that's actually a really clever idea!
I still think the power of the Goat works for him? Sure the costume is kinda trash- but he literally has the practically the same power he had when he was Evillustrator. He can create anything he can imagine, and when he is considered an "Adult" he'll have unlimited uses. I don't think any of the Miraculous powers are dumb, cause any power can be crazy strong if used by the right person. Hell, the Pig and Eagle powers can literally be instant "I Win" powers if used correctly. Genisis is just lower on the list cause it's just a worse Lucky Charm lol
@@slimeycorp in my opinion, what makes the Goat Miraculous such a god awful power from a narrative standpoint isn't that it's weak (because it can be strong if used correctly), but the fact that it's unoriginal. I mean, it's literally just Lucky Charm! I don't know how you would even write stories with it without neutering Lucky Charm. Just take its appearance in Penalteam. Any other episode the lucky charm would have given Marinette the wand and the episode would have played out the same. But this episode it gave her the easel and paper…which wasn’t key at all to saving the day. They could have planer without it (it would have made more sense for the goat to make the easel ladybug got the wand so they could plan) or used sticks and dirt or something. And that sucks, because each Miraculous should serve a unique purpose that other Miraculouses can't. I also hate how laughably on-the-nose both the power and the weapon is for Nathaniel. The writers literally went - oh yeah Nathaniel is an artist, so let's give him a paintbrush as a weapon and practically the same power as his artist akumatized self! Like - can you imagine if the Cat Miraculous gave you the power to be a really good model, just to match Adrien? Can you imagine if the Monkey Miraculous' power revolved around swimming? Can you imagine if the Fox Miraculous' weapon was a camera just for the sake of matching Alya? Imo, Miraculouses' powers and weapons should be based on their animals and concepts instead of their holders. Shape the holders' character arcs around what their Miraculouses represent, not the other way around. And sure, on-the-nose Miraculous powers/weapons have existed before the Goat, but at least in those cases they either serve a unique enough purpose, are sufficiently distinct from other Miraculouses, or actually match their concept/animal. The Goat just doesn't have that. What does the concept of Passion have anything to do with creating objects? Since when were Goats associated with artistic passion? A redditor came up with an alternative power for the Goat that centered around the concept of Equilibration (which imo matches Goats way better) and honestly I wish that was what we got
you should definitely do a redesign of all the characters, I’d really like to see the way you envisioned these characters more then a few words!
^ This
"Not as big in US culture" except for Goku, has appeared in DC comics, Kirby, Scooby Doo, The Simpsons, the list is long not even counting videogames since I don't know if you're into them.
Not a fan of DBZ, don’t read DC comics or like DC films, don’t play any Kirby games, you’re gonna have to elaborate on the scooby doo one, never watched a single episode of the simpsons. While i do agree with the common sentiment that I could have researched Journey to the west beforehand, and I will be talking about it in my villains design video, there is no reason I should be expected to know about something that I’ve never heard of before posting my video on TikTok about the monkey design. If I’m not aware of something existing, I’m just not. I can’t understand the reference if I originally had no idea there was a reference.
I mean, most of the comments you make are 100% fair, but finding bodysuits sexual in minors I think it's more of a "you" issue. I'm not here to watch kids being sexualized or find them into any compromising positions or angles, at all. However, for you to find simple lazy suits (most likely due to how restricted budgets tend to be, not to mention lack of creativity) as something bad just because they are one-piece clothes, it's a bit silly. They are not enhancing any parts of their bodies, they are not showing inapropiate outlines or have those hedious jiggle physics most people are always on the look for. They are just flat coverups, nothing more.
The Monkey King reference for the monkey suit in miraculous is actually one of the very few things most people enjoy (I'm refering to the inspiration for it, not the actual final art or powers, because those are just hedious). I'm a bit miffed how poorly you described it, specially because you could have simply googled it before spewing non-sense like it didn't appear to be a big deal in pop-culture on the US. Lego literally made a series with him, and there's a bunch other series, references, cartoons and even comics about it. I am aware that you can't be expected to know everything, but seriously, you couldn't be bothered to fact check before sounding so condecendent?
she also tried to yap about racism and stuff while acting so racist herself, esp messing with samurai and that Chinese master like do some research girl
I personally don’t like Master Fu’s costume design, but that’s because his whole character is orientalist nonsense and I’m half Chinese. It does not actually reflect his past by being “samurai,” as he is Chinese and samurai are from Japan. Please don’t blend those cultures together, no matter how little Miraculous cares about separating Asian cultures from each other.
You’re right, I suppose a blend of terminology of Chinese monks similar to the fictional ones of fu’s past along with more youxia centric terminology would be much better than using the term samurai, since it is predominately a Japanese term and title, the general style of the outfit does defintiely read as more Japanese samurai inspired attire than youxia, since youxia are usually depicted with way more layers of fabrics and less armor than samurai, and fu’s turtle design is predominately armor that follows a lot of standard samurai stylistic choices, especially in the shoulder pads and side armor paneling. Though again I do apologize for the wrong terminology in regards to fu’s own nationality, that was my bad, I do think the fault of the design reading as more Japanese does rest on the designers shoulders however.
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I just sat through and watched this entire video while eating breakfast. Great analysis! Although I don’t agree with the Astrocat one since I find his design very cute and he’s not meant to be camouflaged, but everybody is entitled to their own opinions. I love how you organized the ratings of the miraculous. I agree with most of the tiers too. This video wasn’t messy at all and easy to flow with. By the way, the memes that came up for every transformation were golddd. Whenever a reference from My Little Pony was used, I got extra excited. Love that show. Overall, your knowledge is very reliable and understandable. You must’ve put a lot of effort into this single video. Amazing work:)
I’m glad you enjoyed it!! and yeah I know my astrocat take isn’t popular but I still stand by it lollllllll
MY LITTLE PONYYYY *music* MY LITTLE PONYYYY
Can't agree with you. I wholeheartedly love the Astrocat design. Imo it's one of the best Black Cat design besides Catwalker, it's nice in colours and white speckles look just like the cosmos or night sky. And I hate when people rate Vesperia's design only because "she's a Chloe's clone". I also had some thoughts about Viperion, if he had fangs in upper teeth that he could use in a very close combat to paralyse the foe
Viperion biting people might be too violent for a kid's show. The boundaries are all over the place, but if you show the hero biting people there will undoubtedly be at least some kids trying to bite each other.
@@emackenzie well, that's rational but in such way of thinking kids should've already beaten others with sticks and wrapped others with yoyos
Agree
Journey to the west is really well known in Asia, and in the west it is still considered a pretty important and influential piece of literature. It’s as obscure as Shakespeare is obscure.
Am I the only one who was expecting Peppa Pig as the audio for Rose's transformation?
*music* im peppa pig *oink* this is my little brother george *oink x2* this is mommy pig *oink x3, they laugh* and this is daddy pig *very loud oink* *they fall* *they laugh* *music*
saying "it's so samurai!" in the same tone as "it's so kawaii!" killed me
ok, awesome video over all, but one huge complaint... Why didn't you just look up sun wu kong??? You can't say you're holding these costumes to a high level of scrutany and then just ignore a huge influence from eastern literature just because you didn't know about it before, come on.
You make a lot of really good points throughout this video and I almost unanimously agree with your opinions, but you really faceplanted on that one. Just because it's an american show doesn't mean it can't have eastern representation, especially for something so iconic.
Edit: I did want to say your custom miraculous designs are fan freaking tastic, so amazing job with those.
it's not an american show, it's french and sets in France.
Considering that both goku from dragon ball and luffy from one piece are based on sun wukong, I’m genuinely surprised you never heard of him, he’s really popular in eastern and eastern inspired media
I don’t watch dragon ball but I literally just started one piece and I read a summary of Journey to the west and I need to know how luffy is related to sun wukong at all, because the summary I read made the character seem like the most ferocious and most intelligent of all of the companions and wasn’t a “silly” character who undoes other people’s abilities or make their skills weaker, so I’m extremely confused as to how this relates to luffy
@@abigaillynnarts just don't speak up on things you don't understand and stick to breaking down only American inspired designs if that's the only cultural baggage you have
Regarding space, it is because kwamis have existed since the beginning of reality.
For a show that has 2 professionals from fashion industry and a rookie fashion designer, clothes are really awful. When you think about it, Miraculous doesn’t have its own aesthetic, its vibe that would let me think: “it doesn’t fit” or “this might be in the show”. Anything can be in Miraculous, including a whole another set of magical weapons/jewellery!
Unrelated, but: Remember that photo where it was shown that M and A are literally made for each other because their colors are reversed (inverted?) versions each other? That's why M gets a nice pallet and A is left with orange converses
No wait because actually this is so accurate, it really doesn’t feel like they have their own aesthetic at all, especially with how much they do reference other things, (so many magical girl anime references,) Journey the the west, Alice in Wonderland, Monster High, and honestly I didn’t realize this until recently, but the entirety of high school musical, Chloe screams of Sharpey, especially with how she treats her dad and the language she uses around him, both using their influence because of their parents, Ryan and Sabrina are unfortunately VERY similar, Alya feels very similar to Taylor, who of course ends up with Chad, one of Troy’s best buds, much like Nino, one of Adrien’s best buds, And Mari is the “new girl” much like Gabriella. And with the exception of the dog, moth, and peacock powers, none of the miraculous jewel powers are original either (despite Thomas claiming them to be 100% all original never seen before powers.)
I like the idea of this video, but I think you presented it a little bit too much like objective fact, rather than making it clear that these are your own subjective opinions. There’s a bit of a lack of research, which would be totally fine if you clarified that this as a tier list only based on your own preferences. I know that’s such a small detail so I hope you don’t sweat it, I just think that if you made a video like this in the future you could take that into consideration. Maybe you could do akumas? I would love to see someone analyze those designs :)
would you be interested in sketching and redesighning some of the hero suits in the future? i watched the whole video and agreed to a lot of your points to them and i got curious what would they look like in your style. great video
dude, thank you! all i've ever heard of Scarabella was praise for her costume while i thought it was one of the ugliest things alive XD
Pennybug begs to differ.
@@nyes4596 ah No Yeah, for sure. Pennybug shouldnt look the way it does
@@bdemic9140 for sure. she looks like her design was made by a drunk 7 years old kid.
Sun Wukong is the monkey king in the journey to the west, a long and very well known piece of literature, Goku from dragon ball Z was mainly inspired by him, as well as many other pop culture media. Mostly known as the monkey King.
I think that fusions should look more like pokemon fusions than "let's just slap colors of miraculum 2 on their suit"
the dog hat looks like a police hat because it's supposed to look like a newsboy cap. Because, yknow, dogs chase around the postal workers. Idk either but it's slightly more thematic knowing that
Goats are literally my favorite animal. When I had found out there was a goat miraculous, I designed my own powers, special ability (like the lucky charm thingy), and a costume! Now, my costume was atrocious, but what they did with his really... disappointed me. The horns, the bodysuit, and powers just didn't make sense. It's a shame... :(
Sorry I'm a little "late" in commenting on this.
But Master Fu is Chinese, Samurai are Japanese, I know, it matches his backstory, but the cultures are different (I don't know if there is a similar hat in Chinese culture, but his design has more Japanese influence than Chinese influence)
And what bothers me about Miraculous ladybug is that some designs (such as Jade Turtle, Kung Food and Lady Dragon, but this third case is a bit different, cuz it's a missed opportunity to add anything that's from chinese culture) they make without previously researching the inspired culture, which is ridiculous.
Okay, complaining about the bodysuit is the most nitpicking thing I’ve heard yet. It’s okay if you don’t like the costumes but shit, calling it sexual is disgusting. There’s is literally nothing sexualized about the show. If you think the suits are inappropriately fitted then fine but don’t come for something so small. Especially with such heavy accusations that could potentially affect people’s jobs?? U know, the animators? The designers and concept artists?? We all know how fucky some of the costumes are but woah.
Shit, if anything you’re the one being gross because I’ve honestly never come across sexualized miraculous fanart and if you get that on your algorithm, it’s because either your content is open to it or you interact and actively look for stuff like that.
That’s what I was thinking, this dude got some demons if she’s looking at kids in a body suit and thinks “that’s sexual”
Dude I know- I never came across anyone sexualizing MLB characters because of the body suits, so the fact that the creator finds it sexual seems to me like it's their own thoughts which is very weird considering they're all minors...
Sun Wukong (AKA The Monkey King) is a monkey that cannot possibly die (yes even from divine intervention, he is beyond the power of the gods) after eating an entire garden-full of literal heavenly, immortality-granting peaches. He is well-known for his trickster personality, sense of humor, skill with his iconic magical indestructible size-changing staff, crown to keep him under control, and god-like strength.
No, he is not a god.
Sun Wukong is quite popular, as many pop culture character's from Infernape to non-other then Goku himself are heavily inspired by him!
exposing your ears to the cold is no joke, it can actually cause hearing loss. i get a mild headache even going out in less than 50f
9:22 This video is kinda old, but the headband being pink on the multibug design is actually because it's a miraculous in it's dormant state. The monkey miraculous, specifically. I agree about the design being lazy though
The headband isn’t part of Multimouse’s costume, it’s Marinette’s camouflaged version of the monkey miraculous!
very surprised you didn't know who sun wukong was, especially as someone whos experienced in character design. there is so much media that takes inspiration from the character, such as dragon ball z (goku is literally named after wukong since the script translates to "son goku in japanese kanji), monkie kid, naruto, league of legends, warframe, and so many more titles that are popular in the west. like,, thats a very small fraction of media from whats out there.
if you ever wanna improve in character design, please look into inspirations of popular characters, because i guarantee that opens up so many doors of great designs that you can reference in improving as an artist.
53:36 Then this is merely a disagreement on what’s most important with the design. I think it’s great because it matches the character and their personality while also being distinctly monkey like. The staff as the weapon is… questionable because that’s Chat’s weapon and I don’t like overlap. I get the staff is iconic but it annoys me to no end!
The entire miraculous is based on journey to the West, and the staff makes sense as the weapon, because of who this design is based off of sun wu kong( I really hope I didn't spell that wrong), actually, use that as their weapon so it makes sense
Htf do people not know about journey to the west at this point
I know@@cjshattered2293 I just don’t like overlap.
@@dariusbrown7870 yeah makes sense so I guess to help with that maybe change cat noirs weapon yes I know it's very iconic but it would help with the overlap issue
Thomas Astruc hating the character he made: this was a great Decision
Journey to the West is a Chinese novel published in the 16th century during the Ming dynasty and attributed to Wu Cheng'en. It is regarded as one of the greatest Classic Chinese Novels, and has been described as arguably the most popular literary work in East Asia. miraculous' king monkey is very similar to how monkey king, one of the main characters of the novel, is usualy depicted. things like the head piece, the bo staf, king monkey's stance and movements and most importantly his name, make the paralel to monkey king very clear.
gabriel definitely makes one of those weird asa faishon shows
you know what I'm talking about
I do definitely get the annoyance with a western superhero like Spider Gwen having pointe shoes, but I feel like for a more magical girl-esc superhero (like the ones in miraculous because lets face it, the transformations and shit are clearly inspired by magical girls even if most of the elements of the show are western superhero inspired) where the practicality of an outfit is (generally speaking) second to the aesthetic of an outfit, it’s more passible (to me) because 1. They do definitely look good with the outfit (at least In my opinion) and 2. If a character gets to have control over their outfit’s appearance (which is the case in miraculous) chances are the magic will make it so that they won’t suffer from the typical problems an outfit like theirs would cause them, hence most magical girls having poofy skirts and ribbons and short skirts and big stiff boots and ruffles, because whatever magic is giving them powers and a costume likely wants them to be able to have the costume they want without suffering.
And even then, I think if it’s an element out of the character’s control and it’s addressed, it’s fine. In an au for a show I watch that i made, one of the characters does ballet and loves it, and the magic artifacts force their fighting methods to align with their interests (one of the other characters fights with a magic tennis racket, for example) so he got stuck with a move set based around ballet. Sure, his feet don’t hurt like hell when transformed, but he deals with pain from doing practice out of hero work and pain from doing hero work.
Sorry for the rant, please don’t get upset with me for any of my opinions I think I clarified well enough that this is just how I feel about shit so sorry if not 😭
I think your opinion is completely valid! I’m glad you left such an in depth and detailed comment. For me personally I just don’t prefer most things to be explained away with magic like the pointe shoe thing, for a lot of people it’s completely passable and fine, but for my personal preferences, it feels like a weak excuse as I prefer things to be much more realistic and gritty, which is why in general I’m not really a fan of magical girl shows. It’s really just a personal preference thing and I completely get it that some people are cool with it just being magic while to me it’s not cool, and I think it’s ok to have those differing opinions :)
@@abigaillynnarts totally valid bro I get it, as a writer magical girl stuff is one of the few situations where I’m fine with a weak excuse like “because it’s magic”, otherwise it feels uncalled for because the story is typically too grounded in reality and not magic
@@PhilFromhec I’m a writer as well, I definitely avoid anything magical girl related despite my work typically being in the fantasy genre, but again since my preferences are more realistic and gritty my work also reflects that so write in much more of a gritty dark fantasy vibe, definitely not the lighter more modern magical girl settings lol
53:30 so sun wukong it's basically an over powered monkey of chinese myths that got tons of adaptations or characters inspired by it just by how cartoonish he is on the myths
I'm sorry, but who in the hell would look at the Rena Furtive design and immediately think:
"Ah, yes. This would totally be a suit used for stealth."
Imagine a person like this trying to wrap around the logic of gear 5. Impossible
Journey to the west is a Chinese classic written over 4000 years ago, its basically a study on the human psyche. Wukong is the allegorical representation of the human mind, thought and impulse. Pigsy represents desire, sandy represents human obedience and comfority, the dragon horse represents the human will (though he doesnt do much) and Sanzang represents the human heart. This piece of literature inspired alot of pop culture like son goku from dragon ball, the trope of the five man band, and hot headed protagonists. Im sure theres more but those are what i can name off the top of my head, Overly sarcastic productions has quite a few videos on jttw if you wanna know more (assuming you haven't i am pretty late to this video)
That aside i really did love your critiques and ideas on how to improve the designs, like bro im hella inspired rn 💯💯
Great video! I think the show would have benefited from more card captor sakura-like designs. They're really cute and *fashionable* and I would've loved to see people's fashion sense translated into their designs in general 💭 body suits are incredibly lazy and limit the design by a lot!!
Well King Monkey is based off of Sun Wukong.
Okay, I see how people might look at Caprikid and think 'demon', especially without knowing that it's supposed to be animal-themed. The red hair and the goat horns come off as a bit 'Satan-y' given the basic associations people have with them. But I'm sorry, those horns immediately read as being a ram's to me; what reference image was used such that someone said deer before goat?
Antelope makes a lot of sense for a guess, though. Goats tend to be depicted with more circular horns, but an antelopes seem to be more straight (though they're probably about the same in real life, but for a cartoon goat my first thought goes to curly horns)
I do wonder about the heavy use of black on the body. Just looking at images of goats, I'm seeing a lot of white and brown (I know there are goats with black coats, but they seem to be a little bit more rare, but idk), so maybe leaning into that would have helped just that slightest bit in making the design read as a goat?
The fur is a really nice addition to the suit, though.
Okay I'm sorry. Got to admit that I've never watched the show.
But I was interested in seeing your take on the character designs.
When I first saw the bull and rooster I realized immediately that they were trying to go for a Chinese zodiac theme. That's probably why I recognized the kid as a Ram.
It would also explain the second dragon suit that you talked about. I believe that's a Chinese dragon, which is why it doesn't fit the themes that you believe are associated with dragons.
And that led me to another thought, Is this whole show French? Because I feel like you're looking at it through an American lens. Like not color schemes and things, because that's completely fair. But certain aspects of the designs are probably inspired and referenced in ways that don't really make sense in English.
And this is definitely where you became confused on the monkey costume. It is a reference to the old Chinese story monkey King: journey to the west.
There's been several anime that have made references to other references to this design. Lol. I think it was the right choice for this character.
52:15 "I feel like there are too many racist stereotypes to safely or accurately design a monkey superhero" erm WHAT DO YOU MEAN WTF WHO SAYS THAT ITS LITERALLY AN ANIMAL WHAT 😭😭😭
also not even bothering to search up Sun Wukong and/or Journey to the West, one fo the most iconic and influential legends in Sino-influenced cultures and calling the faithful design awful (and saying they should design other species of monkey???) 😭idk what to even say bruh....
just think, imagine if they had the audacity to make max the monkey, or alya or Nino the monkey. That’s what I mean… I think you can see where the train of thought goes if you know anything about Thomas astruc’s past.
Fact that we lost absolutely amazing and iconic Queen Bee design for Vasperia makes me wanna cry to this very day i will never recover
Purple Tigress was literally my bisexual awakening, so I'm very happy you ranked her so highly :D