I still think Massive X is a very powerful synth. I love the sound of it, the performer, the reverbs, phase modulation, filters, and router. It’s limitations and strengths give it a unique character. Hoping we can import some day, but the wavetables it has are great. I didn’t have any expectations going in though. It was out by the time I heard about it.
Reaktor 6..! Cant beat that. It looks intimidating at first, but it is actually fairly "quick" to learn the basics, and after that, you can make your own sequenced synths with custom waveforms, and as many modifiers as you want. Having infinite modifiers is really handy if you want to create "analog emulations" (which i think is really nice, as it enables you to make the sound as warm/fat/"analog" as you want, as opposed to an actual analog synth where you can not change this). I often get annoyed when i dont have enough modifiers or something, and feel like the people who made these things dont even try to make their products as good as they can be. Reaktor completely removes these annoying limitations - and at least i think it feels pretty cool to have a synth that you have built yourself, tailored after your own needs, and designed with custom made knobs (if you download "KnobMan", you can make your own), and flashing signs (i use custom knobs controlled by an LFO to create this), and some nice custom picture for the "panel" itself. Here is a FB link to a video demonstration of what i have got so far. Took me about a month of work, starting from knowing nothing about how to use this software, so a lot of the time was spent on TH-cam watching videos on how to create a simple synth and sequencer and delays and reverbs and stuff... facebook.com/espen.eventyreren/videos/vb.100005346578842/974389686082575/?type=3
I love Reaktor...but it's amodular environment, it's not a synth. It can CREATE synth, effects, MIDI devices, visuals (thanks to its top quality modules), but it's a collection of modules/macros useful to create something. The factory library itself is not intended as a final product itself, but something to make you see what you can create with Reaktor. Anyway, good toys too in the factory library!
At this time I'm IN LOVE with the new Massive X. It can be better, but the engine is there...and it sounds amazing, really! Get lost into its routing capabilities and unique tone shaping features, you'll find something creative, unique and that you can't reach with other products. It has still some imitations, but it has soooo much to explore. Get lost into it and create some unique patching..... and you'll stop to quote stuff like Serum, that in common has the wavetable synthesis but not so much more. When it comes to psychedelic patches and pure sound design, I found that I can created something really new with Massive X. Don't be afraid to explore and to understand its true nature... it's not a synth to make "a brass", it's for experimentl stuff and it has all the potential (and more)
It's definitely got a unique sound and workflow that is appealing in a lot of ways. It's not as high functionality wise compared to other synths, but that isn't necessary. I think most people hate on it so much is because back when Massive 1 was released it completely changed the game for Electronic music, and people expected MX to have the same impact, which it didn't. Of course it's still a great synth.
I have been seeing it for 15 a lot lately. I debated between getting it and synthmaster one. You review of Synthmaster made me choose it. Though I already have the player. 💪✌👍
Abletons stock plugins and synths are insanely underrated imo, they are as good and sometimes better than any 3rd party competitor. Also, dune 3 is slept on hard imo, it sounds so juicy. If it had workflow like serum, with the dune 3 sound, it would be my goat synth.
Ambedo lol, the built in plugins and synths in most DAWs are quite well made, Logic, fl studio, reason... you can’t be lazy to compete with your $200 synth plugins.
so and so....OK about Operator (that is GOD, not a synth), but what about Wavetable?? The filters are a JOKE , wavetable synthesis is perfect paired fith comb filtering, we only have HP-BP-LP at 2 or 4 poles :D It's all so poor implemented I stopped using it (now I'm on Bitwig and not on Ableton , no chance to use it anymore). With Max4Live devices I was able to implement good modulations and give ot some functions it lacks.....but the point is that they had to call it "wavetable morpher", not "synth"
I learn a lot with your videos, your opinions help me to choose better options when I want to buy plugins, I'm in love with Hybrid 3 and Xpand!2 because of your last video of omnisphere, thanks for that!!
I have had falcon and Serum for awhile and really don't think I need anything else. I still have a lot to learn as far as being able to create a sound in my head before it leaves me. One day I will be happy with that ability. Thanks for the video.
Europa by Propellerhead is one of the best synths that I’ve ever seen in my life! You didn’t mention them or Wavetable by Ableton 🤔 interesting. Great video and I look to see more. 🙏🏽🙏🏽
@@ECOGtheMC imo it sounds thin compared to other synths like serum, hive etc. Also, can't get the free form unison to work as expected, so supersaw is always a pain in the a** with this synth. But I think it's useful for making some complementary layers.
Sektor sounds thin and I noticed some preset have unwanted high resonant frequencies. I'll usually get rid of them via Eq but its a pain in the ass sometimes. Its also fairly high in cpu. I usually end up bouncing/freezing the sound I want and get rid of the plugin.
Got Hybrid for a few years but sleept on it, huge amount of wavetables. CPU friendly and got it for 6€ with in the "Beat Magazin". Greetings from Germany ✌️
Love the vid. Yes to Synthmaster One, Hive 2 and Sektor. I think you should try out Halion 6. They recently added wavetable capabilities to their sampling and analog synthesis options and one can AUTHOR your own VSTs, including the synthesis engines, the artwork etc. It is highly overlooked, but is a gem.
Again a very interesting video with a honest opinion sharing. I do agree on many points. - ICARUS is awesome as everything from Tone2 - HIVE2 now has a great 2 OSC wavetable function which sounds fantastic. I am producing a Hive only piece of music right now. Around 25 to 30 tracks and the synth as a bare audio source (without effects, widening and unison - I always disable that) sounds amazing. - WIGGLE I got this thing on my list for ages but I heard it should be buggy? Can you confirm that? Forgotten masterpieces imho: - PPG2.0 from Waldorf - MSoundfactory (great!!! very versatile WT module included) - Wolfgang Palms PPG INFINITE (simply wow!) Hardware: BLOFELD by Waldorf Have joy and be sound
Wiggle was buggy in the beginning but all the updates they fixed that. Wiggle is an amazing synth. The sounds you can make with the sequencer the motion pad etc is unbelievable. However it is not for analog sounds and it doesnt try or claim to be. I agree with you tone 2 products are great have icarus a nd electea 2
I am quite appreciating Massive X .Not for the presets but the interesting way to build your own sound and texture .My version was added because I up graded to Komplete 12 at half price .Very good value .
Hi, one that is't mentioned is Dmitry Thorn. I love the unique options which are so creative. The spectral thingy in the middle and different filters with the drive knob are amazing. Love it as an addition to hive 2 and rapid. My top 3 which complement eachother.
Yeah, I know I messed up not mentioning DS Thorn (I did a review on it 2 years). You're right, it's an absolute beautiful synth with options that ahead of the curve.
Back in 2008 I used massive and omnisphere. Fast forward to today and I use uHe Bazille, Zebra 2, and hive 2, sytrus and Harmor. I also use vital and a bunch of other things, but my sound is defined entirely by Bazille. It's my favorite vst plugin. I can run 6 bazilles, 6 Hives, and 2 Zebra 2's for the same resources it took to run 2 omnis and 2 massive.
@Simon Letztnahm I was referring to the latest version of Synthmaster: 2.9. Synthmaster 2 is tremendously versatile and powerful and a great value. Synthmaster One is a scaled-down version of Synthmaster that has a single-page interface and focuses on wavetables. Wavetable capabilities were added to Synthmaster 2 after Synthmaster One was released.
Wavetable is pretty rocking with the ability to drag and drop virtually any sample as a wave table right from abeltons browser. Synthmaster One sounds great and I have been gravitating to it as of late. Just picked up Sektor on sale but need to play with it more to figure it out. Have Massive and was hoping that MassiveX would be the next gen type thing to eventually upgrade to but now I am now on the fence due to its lackluster rollout. I'm just going to have to invest in Serum eventually and possibly wiggle which wasn't on my radar until now.
People never talk about the price. It's the same with people saying that phase plant would be a serum killer. Bruh it's twice the price. I picked up synthmaster one for 25 bucks (it's on sale till August) and it's close to serum. Serum is better but more expensive as well. For the 150 for massive x you can get better stuff.
Massive X isn't a bad synth at all! Sure it needs to have loadable wavetables and noises! I think they're working on these in much more depth! The things I dig about Massive X is the routing tab tho! You can do some crazy shit with it! Like using an exciter envelope to give a nice transient tone for the comb filter to make Bells! Massive X has its uses but yes I agree with everything you said!
Massive X has a very poverful engine. You quoted the routing (thank you)... it's there because creativity, as Massive X is intended to be used. If you use it as a regular wavetable synth yiu'll find some limitations.....get lost into its powerful engine and you will be amazed abut what Massive X can do. I'm using it a lot and I simply love it: powerful, flexible and very creative. And do we have to alk about how it sounds? With Massive X I'm creating some of my best sounding patches ever...
Kilohearts Phaseplant blows everything else out of the frame at the moment. It's like Zebra 2, Serum & FM8 ran a train on a sampler. Practically unlimited oscillators & modulation sources. Layering samples with virtual analog & wavetable oscillators & the ability to route FM between all of them. Better FM routing options than FM8, better wavetable editor & overall visualization than Serum. Full Fabfilter Pro Q-like parametric EQ usable in the synth & you can modulate the entire EQ curve like a filter with the synth LFOs & envelopes, which allows for limitless filter shapes. In the latest update they added the ability to use Multipass as a snap in within the synth. Multiband everything within a synth is a total game changer. You really need to have the Ultimate toolbox from Kilohearts to get the most out of it, but I doubt I'll ever use Serum, FM8 or even Zebra 2 again now I have this thing.
serum, of course...freebie Surge is great!, cheapos Sektor and Hybrid 3 are awesome too. With Surge and Hybrid you only have minimal power over the wavetable part, but they still sound great. Circle2 has a great dark/grimey sound. Just purchased SynthmasterOne for $29 and like its editing system...THink that's enough wavetable synths for life!! I tried Pigments and didn't like the sound, loved the GUI though. . Didn't like the Sound of Massive X, and yeah I like to make my own sounds....can't afford omnisphere, nexus, etc so no opinion. love the channel and yer enthusiasm, Ave! Cheers!
i think Hive 2 is top on your list, if you have that you got it all. but honestly i am really satisfied with the new wavetable in ableton 10, it sounds dope and can do so much for a little synth. surprised you didnt mention it :-)
Tone 2 icarus is a beast of a synth. I use it every day. You are only limited by your imagination with what you can do with it. It never got its due bc it came out after serum and every serum user would go on any review ir tutorial and bash it. THE SYNTH IS INSANE.
Massive X looked good on paper in 2019, but it was rushed out way before it was actually finished. It was buggy as hell and a lot of important features like the envelope visualization didn't work *at all.* After having tried it for a while, I completely wrote it off as a flop. After that, I didn't even open the plugin for about a year. It did not interest me at all. Then, a few months ago, something made my try it again for some reason, and I was positively *shocked.* After a number of updates, it finally *works* the way it was supposed to do from the beginning. And - as it turns out - it's actually an ABSOLUTELY AMAZING synth! Unfortunately, I think NI might have already destroyed the "career" of this synth anyway, by releasing it to the world in such a terrible shape as they did. The Massive X 1.0 got a really bad reputation and a lot of people gave up on it *for good,* just like me. It was actually just a coincidence that made me even *try* the updated version. A lot of people will likely not even bother, which is a bit sad, because - like I said - it's actually a _pretty amazing_ instrument...
ARTURIA!!! Pigments is dope!! All of ARTURIA's instruments are top flight!! I will argue ARTURIA over N.I. until I die... Synthmaster One is the best "bang for your buck"
Massive X 1.4 came out a week ago without native M1 support in sight anywhere. I don't need that. Phaseplant and Pigments do everything I need, so I guess I will never even try it - although I have a license.
Original Massive is great same goes for serum. Those developers need to realize that they should make more sounds for other genres besides edm, trance and other similar genres.
Massive X is amazing. One of the best user interfaces I've ever seen. It's also really deep. I'm glad they made an all new instrument rather than just massive 2.
I have done a review on it yet but Babylon would be one of them (it's $13), Hive, Nexus, Trap Boom 3, Omnisphere 2, Electra, and Obscurium. That's a list off the top of my head.
massiveX is pretty good but its a huge shame how much it sucks on the processor honestly i feel like they should really look into it cause no vst should use this much
I saw someone made a comment how NI are just like Apple, and how they focus their shit to look nice and not functional. IMO that's bullshit! NI is making ecosystem where everything is connected and that way is much more easier to get faster workflow. If i had money i would invest in NI for gear and VSTs, and i bet in few months you would delete everything else from your VST folder. You would start making your own sound, and not presets. Presets are for newbies or for start point. FabFilter, Valhalla, iZotope and NI ecosystem and end game! :D
There is absolutely no quotes involved with desktop cpus being faster. It's a fact. Laptops are bare minimum for daws. Most just dont have to cooling to obtain higher speeds and unless you're buying a new laptop with the desktop CPU in it then you will always struggle to run large vsts
I feel the same. For some reason native instruments wanted to make a clunky and difficult to understand synth. Instead of making it more competent and aesthetically pleasing.
@@AveMcree The only reason it's difficult to understand is the lack of a manual. In terms of understanding, I don't think it's any worse than Serum, which has quite a few hidden and unintuitive features- Massive X's features are mostly there on the GUI, just that they haven't been explained yet because NI are so slow with the manual. I'm still waiting for the most important parts of the manual- the oscillators, filters and LFOs. I agree that certain aspects of it are clunky, especially the Performers which don't even have any dotted notes, the time signature settings are very specific when they could have covered all their bases. The point selection is quite bad- you can only select a contiguous range of points which is of limited use by dragging on an unmarked part of the timeline, no lasso select.There aren't any values displayed so I can't set eg delay times to an accurate value- I have to guess.
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I still think Massive X is a very powerful synth. I love the sound of it, the performer, the reverbs, phase modulation, filters, and router. It’s limitations and strengths give it a unique character. Hoping we can import some day, but the wavetables it has are great. I didn’t have any expectations going in though. It was out by the time I heard about it.
I love it too, very powerful synth engine
Reaktor 6..! Cant beat that. It looks intimidating at first, but it is actually fairly "quick" to learn the basics, and after that, you can make your own sequenced synths with custom waveforms, and as many modifiers as you want. Having infinite modifiers is really handy if you want to create "analog emulations" (which i think is really nice, as it enables you to make the sound as warm/fat/"analog" as you want, as opposed to an actual analog synth where you can not change this). I often get annoyed when i dont have enough modifiers or something, and feel like the people who made these things dont even try to make their products as good as they can be. Reaktor completely removes these annoying limitations - and at least i think it feels pretty cool to have a synth that you have built yourself, tailored after your own needs, and designed with custom made knobs (if you download "KnobMan", you can make your own), and flashing signs (i use custom knobs controlled by an LFO to create this), and some nice custom picture for the "panel" itself. Here is a FB link to a video demonstration of what i have got so far. Took me about a month of work, starting from knowing nothing about how to use this software, so a lot of the time was spent on TH-cam watching videos on how to create a simple synth and sequencer and delays and reverbs and stuff... facebook.com/espen.eventyreren/videos/vb.100005346578842/974389686082575/?type=3
I love Reaktor...but it's amodular environment, it's not a synth. It can CREATE synth, effects, MIDI devices, visuals (thanks to its top quality modules), but it's a collection of modules/macros useful to create something.
The factory library itself is not intended as a final product itself, but something to make you see what you can create with Reaktor.
Anyway, good toys too in the factory library!
My favorite vst plugins are: massive, sylenth, and serum. I need to check out the other plugins soon
At this time I'm IN LOVE with the new Massive X.
It can be better, but the engine is there...and it sounds amazing, really!
Get lost into its routing capabilities and unique tone shaping features, you'll find something creative, unique and that you can't reach with other products.
It has still some imitations, but it has soooo much to explore.
Get lost into it and create some unique patching..... and you'll stop to quote stuff like Serum, that in common has the wavetable synthesis but not so much more.
When it comes to psychedelic patches and pure sound design, I found that I can created something really new with Massive X.
Don't be afraid to explore and to understand its true nature... it's not a synth to make "a brass", it's for experimentl stuff and it has all the potential (and more)
It's definitely got a unique sound and workflow that is appealing in a lot of ways.
It's not as high functionality wise compared to other synths, but that isn't necessary.
I think most people hate on it so much is because back when Massive 1 was released it completely changed the game for Electronic music, and people expected MX to have the same impact, which it didn't. Of course it's still a great synth.
If you want to get to list and not laugh at the meme go to 4:45 also Sektor is only $29 if you use the link in the description! Don't sleep!!
I have been seeing it for 15 a lot lately. I debated between getting it and synthmaster one. You review of Synthmaster made me choose it. Though I already have the player. 💪✌👍
Arturia Pigments🙏🏽 is Absolutely Great‼ But I'm still interested in Massive X🤷🏽♂️
Abletons stock plugins and synths are insanely underrated imo, they are as good and sometimes better than any 3rd party competitor. Also, dune 3 is slept on hard imo, it sounds so juicy. If it had workflow like serum, with the dune 3 sound, it would be my goat synth.
Ambedo lol, the built in plugins and synths in most DAWs are quite well made, Logic, fl studio, reason... you can’t be lazy to compete with your $200 synth plugins.
Dune 1,2,3 were always confusing with the 4 layers. ; would always get in the habit of mute/solo. Was just a big preset rompler for me
@@bobafruti Yes..I bought Logic X mainly for the instruments, especially Alchemy. It’s the only synth I can think of that comes close to Omnisphere.
so and so....OK about Operator (that is GOD, not a synth), but what about Wavetable?? The filters are a JOKE , wavetable synthesis is perfect paired fith comb filtering, we only have HP-BP-LP at 2 or 4 poles :D
It's all so poor implemented I stopped using it (now I'm on Bitwig and not on Ableton , no chance to use it anymore). With Max4Live devices I was able to implement good modulations and give ot some functions it lacks.....but the point is that they had to call it "wavetable morpher", not "synth"
Facts, I just made some great FM drums from scratch with just layers of native stuff, track is a whole wave
Ableton’s Wavetable is my go to! The GUI is so intuitive, you can make your own sounds super quick. And it sounds great.
I learn a lot with your videos, your opinions help me to choose better options when I want to buy plugins, I'm in love with Hybrid 3 and Xpand!2 because of your last video of omnisphere, thanks for that!!
My pleasure fam
I have had falcon and Serum for awhile and really don't think I need anything else. I still have a lot to learn as far as being able to create a sound in my head before it leaves me. One day I will be happy with that ability. Thanks for the video.
What about diva? Check the demo and give me a feedback
Really enjoy learning from you about all these plugins! I value & respect your opinions. 🤓🖒
thanks my dude! I see you got your account back.
@@AveMcree yeszurrr!!! The wheels on the Bufo Xpress keep on turnin' 🚂🎵🎶🎶🎵🎶🎵 #CantStop #WontStop
Europa by Propellerhead is one of the best synths that I’ve ever seen in my life! You didn’t mention them or Wavetable by Ableton 🤔 interesting. Great video and I look to see more. 🙏🏽🙏🏽
I want to get EUROPA so badly. You are the first person I heard praise it.
Phillip Pux Lucas it’s so easy and yet so much comes out.
@@jayonbaby guys, take reason 11 intro for 80$ and use europa in the vst version of the reason rack ;)
Sektor is a sleeper plugin but you will have to twist a few knobs to make it to (t)work well for you.
Tutorials coming soon
What particular do you mean by that? I like sektor quite a bit but I have my problems getting it to work for me the way I wanted
@@ECOGtheMC imo it sounds thin compared to other synths like serum, hive etc. Also, can't get the free form unison to work as expected, so supersaw is always a pain in the a** with this synth. But I think it's useful for making some complementary layers.
@@Shakil509 I agree Sektor does sound thin.
Sektor sounds thin and I noticed some preset have unwanted high resonant frequencies. I'll usually get rid of them via Eq but its a pain in the ass sometimes. Its also fairly high in cpu. I usually end up bouncing/freezing the sound I want and get rid of the plugin.
Got Hybrid for a few years but sleept on it, huge amount of wavetables. CPU friendly and got it for 6€ with in the "Beat Magazin". Greetings from Germany ✌️
JanTnT lol, exactly. I got it for free or cheap and I was like “hold up, why is this thing so cheap? It’s awesome!”
Love the vid. Yes to Synthmaster One, Hive 2 and Sektor. I think you should try out Halion 6. They recently added wavetable capabilities to their sampling and analog synthesis options and one can AUTHOR your own VSTs, including the synthesis engines, the artwork etc. It is highly overlooked, but is a gem.
Again a very interesting video with a honest opinion sharing.
I do agree on many points.
- ICARUS
is awesome as everything from Tone2
- HIVE2
now has a great 2 OSC wavetable function which sounds fantastic. I am producing a Hive only piece of music right now. Around 25 to 30 tracks and the synth as a bare audio source (without effects, widening and unison - I always disable that) sounds amazing.
- WIGGLE
I got this thing on my list for ages but I heard it should be buggy? Can you confirm that?
Forgotten masterpieces imho:
- PPG2.0 from Waldorf
- MSoundfactory (great!!! very versatile WT module included)
- Wolfgang Palms PPG INFINITE (simply wow!)
Hardware: BLOFELD by Waldorf
Have joy and be sound
Wiggle was buggy in the beginning but all the updates they fixed that. Wiggle is an amazing synth. The sounds you can make with the sequencer the motion pad etc is unbelievable. However it is not for analog sounds and it doesnt try or claim to be. I agree with you tone 2 products are great have icarus a nd electea 2
Hi! Thank you for making this video. It´s been a good help of finding out, where to start investigating for new VSTs. Enjoy your day! Rolf
I am quite appreciating Massive X .Not for the presets but the interesting way to build your own sound and texture .My version was added because I up graded to Komplete 12 at half price .Very good value .
John and the team at Plugin Guru are AWESOME!
Hi, one that is't mentioned is Dmitry Thorn. I love the unique options which are so creative. The spectral thingy in the middle and different filters with the drive knob are amazing. Love it as an addition to hive 2 and rapid. My top 3 which complement eachother.
Yeah, I know I messed up not mentioning DS Thorn (I did a review on it 2 years). You're right, it's an absolute beautiful synth with options that ahead of the curve.
Back in 2008 I used massive and omnisphere. Fast forward to today and I use uHe Bazille, Zebra 2, and hive 2, sytrus and Harmor. I also use vital and a bunch of other things, but my sound is defined entirely by Bazille. It's my favorite vst plugin. I can run 6 bazilles, 6 Hives, and 2 Zebra 2's for the same resources it took to run 2 omnis and 2 massive.
You're using the same computer from 2008?
@@Clasam09 no of course not. Omnisphere has only bloated out even bigger. It's cool but I can do far more using actual synths.
Kilohearts Phaseplant. I just demoed this for the last week and it is amazing. The transgate effect is amazing.
@root we are talking about wavetable synthesis....how wavetable / sampling or FM sound not digita? :D
Analog warmth is for pure subtractive stuff...
I own and love SEKTOR, and it's worth mentioning that it supports MPE (Roli)
Synapse Dune 3, ANA2, Avenger, Propellerhead Europa, and the original Synthmaster are high on my list of wavetable synths.
@Simon Letztnahm I was referring to the latest version of Synthmaster: 2.9. Synthmaster 2 is tremendously versatile and powerful and a great value. Synthmaster One is a scaled-down version of Synthmaster that has a single-page interface and focuses on wavetables. Wavetable capabilities were added to Synthmaster 2 after Synthmaster One was released.
Wavetable is pretty rocking with the ability to drag and drop virtually any sample as a wave table right from abeltons browser. Synthmaster One sounds great and I have been gravitating to it as of late. Just picked up Sektor on sale but need to play with it more to figure it out. Have Massive and was hoping that MassiveX would be the next gen type thing to eventually upgrade to but now I am now on the fence due to its lackluster rollout. I'm just going to have to invest in Serum eventually and possibly wiggle which wasn't on my radar until now.
We're going to deep dive into that a bit more
Grain and Europa in Reason are slept on big time!
People never talk about the price.
It's the same with people saying that phase plant would be a serum killer. Bruh it's twice the price. I picked up synthmaster one for 25 bucks (it's on sale till August) and it's close to serum. Serum is better but more expensive as well.
For the 150 for massive x you can get better stuff.
I got rapid for free by parawave audio and this shit is EPIC
fun
Have you not tried VPS Avenger?? Try it now! You WILL like it! One of the best wavetables synths, and a lot more.
Massive X isn't a bad synth at all! Sure it needs to have loadable wavetables and noises! I think they're working on these in much more depth! The things I dig about Massive X is the routing tab tho! You can do some crazy shit with it! Like using an exciter envelope to give a nice transient tone for the comb filter to make Bells! Massive X has its uses but yes I agree with everything you said!
Massive X has a very poverful engine. You quoted the routing (thank you)... it's there because creativity, as Massive X is intended to be used.
If you use it as a regular wavetable synth yiu'll find some limitations.....get lost into its powerful engine and you will be amazed abut what Massive X can do.
I'm using it a lot and I simply love it: powerful, flexible and very creative.
And do we have to alk about how it sounds? With Massive X I'm creating some of my best sounding patches ever...
Massive X sounds great, just a pity that it’s not killing it on other features.
Kilohearts Phaseplant blows everything else out of the frame at the moment. It's like Zebra 2, Serum & FM8 ran a train on a sampler.
Practically unlimited oscillators & modulation sources.
Layering samples with virtual analog & wavetable oscillators & the ability to route FM between all of them.
Better FM routing options than FM8, better wavetable editor & overall visualization than Serum.
Full Fabfilter Pro Q-like parametric EQ usable in the synth & you can modulate the entire EQ curve like a filter with the synth LFOs & envelopes, which allows for limitless filter shapes.
In the latest update they added the ability to use Multipass as a snap in within the synth. Multiband everything within a synth is a total game changer.
You really need to have the Ultimate toolbox from Kilohearts to get the most out of it, but I doubt I'll ever use Serum, FM8 or even Zebra 2 again now I have this thing.
Just wish it sounded as good as Massive.
serum, of course...freebie Surge is great!, cheapos Sektor and Hybrid 3 are awesome too. With Surge and Hybrid you only have minimal power over the wavetable part, but they still sound great. Circle2 has a great dark/grimey sound. Just purchased SynthmasterOne for $29 and like its editing system...THink that's enough wavetable synths for life!! I tried Pigments and didn't like the sound, loved the GUI though. . Didn't like the Sound of Massive X, and yeah I like to make my own sounds....can't afford omnisphere, nexus, etc so no opinion. love the channel and yer enthusiasm, Ave! Cheers!
i think Hive 2 is top on your list, if you have that you got it all. but honestly i am really satisfied with the new wavetable in ableton 10, it sounds dope and can do so much for a little synth. surprised you didnt mention it :-)
Great vid man, appreciate the support
Plugin Guru’s unify has changed Everything!!
Great job Ave! Ableton Wavetable is amazing too...
Hive and Synthmaster couple of my favorites. Hopefully we see some updates on Massive X in the future and not just preset packs.
They definitely have a few updates coming. Confirmed by them today at the SAE institute festival.
Synthmaster One is great - especially since it’s on iPad too, serum-like power on the go!
Tone 2 is all I need! 💪🏽🎸
Tone 2 icarus is a beast of a synth. I use it every day. You are only limited by your imagination with what you can do with it. It never got its due bc it came out after serum and every serum user would go on any review ir tutorial and bash it. THE SYNTH IS INSANE.
pigments made native instruments delay massive for like 6 months of course its better 🚫🧢 😂
😣😂damn!
Hive 2.
FACTS @Kode Lyoko
VPS Avenger was left out. It might be the best of them all. I don’t consider Wiggle a wt synth, but it is amazing and definitely slept on.
Agree not sure why avenger isnt on here.
If I had to choose one, I'd go with Arturia Pigments.
Their synth seems to be very good but expensive too. Does Aturia dongles or online validation or such user restricting crappy things? Thank you.
nichttuntun You just have to install Arturias Softwarecenter. No dongle or something
@@CredeFX thank you. Seems like waves installer.
I know producers don’t like giving out secrets...but where did you get that shirt??
Massive X looked good on paper in 2019, but it was rushed out way before it was actually finished. It was buggy as hell and a lot of important features like the envelope visualization didn't work *at all.* After having tried it for a while, I completely wrote it off as a flop. After that, I didn't even open the plugin for about a year.
It did not interest me at all.
Then, a few months ago, something made my try it again for some reason, and I was positively *shocked.* After a number of updates, it finally *works* the way it was supposed to do from the beginning.
And - as it turns out - it's actually an ABSOLUTELY AMAZING synth!
Unfortunately, I think NI might have already destroyed the "career" of this synth anyway, by releasing it to the world in such a terrible shape as they did. The Massive X 1.0 got a really bad reputation and a lot of people gave up on it *for good,* just like me. It was actually just a coincidence that made me even *try* the updated version. A lot of people will likely not even bother,
which is a bit sad, because - like I said - it's actually a _pretty amazing_ instrument...
I didn't know Icarus was that good. Very impressed
It's very slept on
Hey DJ Ave is Massive X a good synth to buy.
DUNE 3, man! Best sounding Wavetable synth outthere. Maybe best sounding synth overall.
8:36
I'm a sucker for those stereo-delay effects.
Thats where Tone2 shines
After all, Massive X currently costs €149 instead of €286 including three expansion sets, which represents a price saving of almost 50%. (28.04.2020)
I can agree with this. excellent video
ARTURIA!!!
Pigments is dope!! All of ARTURIA's instruments are top flight!! I will argue ARTURIA over N.I. until I die...
Synthmaster One is the best "bang for your buck"
What about synthmaster2?
Great piece. Just an FYI that you forgot to put the link to Serum in your notes. Cheers.
VPS avenger, just saying. The 8 bit expansion adds a boatload of lofi waves and highspeed arcade style arps.
I beta tested that plugin back in 2016. It's very but I didn't like that DSP hit on my cpu.
Underrated synths & effects videos? 🤔
Sounds like a good idea
Massive X 1.4 came out a week ago without native M1 support in sight anywhere. I don't need that. Phaseplant and Pigments do everything I need, so I guess I will never even try it - although I have a license.
Original Massive is great same goes for serum. Those developers need to realize that they should make more sounds for other genres besides edm, trance and other similar genres.
Yep I just picked up pigments for 69 bucks. It's the bomb.
I must check out this "Tone 2 Icarus" Bro that shit sounds wicked!! :o
Massive X is amazing. One of the best user interfaces I've ever seen. It's also really deep. I'm glad they made an all new instrument rather than just massive 2.
We need more tutorial on wiggle, wiggle, wiggle!!!
I have Ryzen 1800x and Massive X doesn't slow down anything. Do most people use laptops?
Tone 2 Icarus is still 200 bucks to this day! I thought I could get it for like 20 bucks nowadays on one of them bomb ass plug-in boutique deals lol
holy shit really? It was on sale for like $99 at one time. Better wait it out until Labor Day... sheesh
U-He Zebra 2, UVI Falcon and Omnisphere 2
If you ever get a chance, please make some hits with DS Thorn
Daaaaaammit I knew I missed one! Thanks for the reminder.
Yea I really like that one. sold by plugin alliance now. But you can get a free 14 day demo.
Do you have a top plugin video for presets (non sound designers)?
I have done a review on it yet but Babylon would be one of them (it's $13), Hive, Nexus, Trap Boom 3, Omnisphere 2, Electra, and Obscurium. That's a list off the top of my head.
Honestly the GUI is a huge factor for me
You should check out Sylenth and Spire
isotope Iris 2? Does that count? I watched this whole video and I don't know wtf is a wave table synthesizer.
🔥🔥💯💯
Great video.
Guys please recommend me some synt that have Massive's *Performer* . It is the one feature that I cant find in other synts???
You forgot Waldorf Largo and PPG WaveGenerator/Wavemapper
Icarus is over the top for me shout out to Tone2
Omnisphere 2 (with all Spectrasonics’ latest series of products) is all you need 😂😂😂😂 ✌🏾
Spectrasonics gang 🤘❤️
massiveX is pretty good but its a huge shame how much it sucks on the processor honestly i feel like they should really look into it cause no vst should use this much
I bet you can make some fire massive x presets 🤣🤣🤣 ur electrax stuff a1🔥
Probably but the dsp makes it impossible to have optimized presets.
You a trouble maker homey😂😂😂💣💣💣💣💣
...but where's Phase Plant??
I got sektor on that discount, that joint got crazy sounds for trap. I slept on that hard way! (Pause) 😂
😂😂😂factual
At 6:40 I for real thought my dude was gonna bust out some Black Sabbath on us! Haha
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What??? I was ready to say "TRAPTENDO!" at the beginning of the video. :(
How come you own 8 Wavetable VSTs?
Dope vid!
Rah Da N.O.C.
Good video bro
I saw someone made a comment how NI are just like Apple, and how they focus their shit to look nice and not functional. IMO that's bullshit! NI is making ecosystem where everything is connected and that way is much more easier to get faster workflow. If i had money i would invest in NI for gear and VSTs, and i bet in few months you would delete everything else from your VST folder. You would start making your own sound, and not presets. Presets are for newbies or for start point. FabFilter, Valhalla, iZotope and NI ecosystem and end game! :D
There is absolutely no quotes involved with desktop cpus being faster. It's a fact. Laptops are bare minimum for daws. Most just dont have to cooling to obtain higher speeds and unless you're buying a new laptop with the desktop CPU in it then you will always struggle to run large vsts
Custom waveforms in sektor? Am I to stupid to get how its done or is he wrong?
Yes, it's true, the process is a bit odd though.
Sabbir Ahmad ok thats nice to know! Are there any instructions for that online? Thx pal
Sector is good and is on sale for $15 again.
Where?
With all these Synths that exist. How do you not loose your mind. There's just too many lmao!
Cardeo From The 5 my mind left back in 1983
@@AveMcree 🤣🤣 I feel bro.
Dropping bombs
I'm still mad about Massive X. I has so much damn potential.
I feel the same. For some reason native instruments wanted to make a clunky and difficult to understand synth. Instead of making it more competent and aesthetically pleasing.
@@AveMcree The only reason it's difficult to understand is the lack of a manual. In terms of understanding, I don't think it's any worse than Serum, which has quite a few hidden and unintuitive features- Massive X's features are mostly there on the GUI, just that they haven't been explained yet because NI are so slow with the manual. I'm still waiting for the most important parts of the manual- the oscillators, filters and LFOs. I agree that certain aspects of it are clunky, especially the Performers which don't even have any dotted notes, the time signature settings are very specific when they could have covered all their bases. The point selection is quite bad- you can only select a contiguous range of points which is of limited use by dragging on an unmarked part of the timeline, no lasso select.There aren't any values displayed so I can't set eg delay times to an accurate value- I have to guess.
That sonic shirt 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Yeah this video was made on Thursday before meeting Busyworkbeats
Massive dropped the ball with the lack of visual feedback
MassiveX is dope
always choosing violence these days....I like your cut g
I personally don't like sektor man, for real. I got it but I just don't like it. I've never used it on a project.
Phase Plant is king!
well, you dont need anything else, when you have Nexus 4
HalIon just covers it all
Factual