They (N.I.) really released Massive X way too soon. Now, 3 years later, it has - through updates - finally become the synthesizer it claimed to be at the beginning. It might actually even be _my favorite synth plugin._ (!) Sadly, most people have already long since lost interest in MASSIVE X because of how buggy and disappointing it was when it was first released. (And I can't really blame them... )
Really good review. In my opinion I say that whatever creates "the sound" of a synth is certain limitations in whatever and wherever it may be. Of course there are synths out there that lend you all control over it's sound design options and user interface, but sometimes when I am facing writers block when creating sounds of synthesis I like to step back and use a synth that is meant to do whatever its restrictions let it be and sometimes some really good sounds come out. Great video I was really curious of this new Massive X.
This video seems to have struck a chord, I have never had such an insane comment to view ratio before. (for my channel anyways). The verity of opinions and viewpoints are great!
You can access the user folder in Windows Explorer by clicking on the little triangle next to the Massive logo and the drop down menu, you can also rescan the files from there
While 4 or so years later MX still lacks some basic funtionalities that its predecessor had from the start (e.g. better preset managment) and also lacks some features of other wavetable synths (WT generator and WT import) that thing just sounds awesome right out of the box, so much that my old standbies like Avenger and Synthmaster 1&2 will likely gather some digital dust down the road.
I think you are confusing more options with having a quality synth. What IS important is that the concept of a Synth works, not how much options it has. That's why severly limited synths are legends, like the MiniMoog, the 303, the 808, the Korg Volcas. They are all limited, but their concept works and that is what counts. Me: i would never buy the Phaseplant. If i want modular i go with Reaktor and VCV.
I hate to be that guy but as far as modulation goes. There several synths that have Massive X beat.. Examples: Hive 2.0, Dune 3, Electra2, Serum, UVI Falcon, and Arturia Pigments.. The new UI is terrible! Far too confusing even for someone with experience. Worst of all there's no damn manual!!! Native Instruments is a top shelf company. Yet the delayed a synth for 3-4 months to not have a manual on release?
i don't think functionality and limitlesness was really what NI was going for here. They have Reaktor 6, which easily destroys every single synth on the market in that aspect. I believe Massive X was supposed to be an accessible synth for young producers and not a 'power synth' for sound designers'. I think everybody is misunderstanding what Massive X was really supposed to be.
Laurenz Schneeberger Exactly! When it comes to a playable instrument, sometimes less is more as this might improve focus. Too many options are cluttering the space and decision making process. It’s not how much stuff you can pile on, it’s about what you can do with it and mostly (same as with cooking) the more you throw in, the more you loose a specific character. But I do think NI has some work to do here when it comes to GUI, in terms of visual feedback. I assume the Browsers falls short, because we are supposed to use Komplete Kontrol for that, but still we should also have a more organized Browser here as well as an easier to navigate wavetable browser. Also, since we don’t have numeric controls we should at least have some visual feedback in the envelopes.
I love this thing it sounds awesome, made already great sounds with it - and to open the user folder click on the triange next to massive x - in the dropdown menu first entry afair - but unfinished? yes but there will come more stuff i guess and like i said if i just use my ears it has really something i like a lot
Massive X unique effects are the only reason i'd get the plugin. Otherwise it's no different than Serum/Pigments/Phaseplant, except with limitations that the others don't have.
I can appreciate the flexibility & approachability of ‘Phaseplant’, I’m STILL glad I went with NI’s MASSIVE X, and although not all that important in some respects, I really like the Skins on it, AND how you can RESIZE its interface to make it easier to see the controls etc!
at least massive X seems easier to use than massive. It has a lot of presets out of the box. you forgot to mention that it comes straight with the komplete 12 package ... so, it is kind of default synth that you could use after buying it. The new interface looks clean and userfriendly for newbie like myself :). So maybe native-instrument wanted massive X to be a synth for newbie and still get good sound out of it.
I bought vps avenger a few months back. Serves me well, sounds good and does more than I need, including fm, granular, 8 osc etc. thanks for the review anyway. Greetings from Vienna!
it seems like it was rushed to pacify the buyers. I'm hoping that the updates will get this thing up to par kinda like abeltons updates have been money. maybe they'll pay attention to the feedback and what phase plant is doing to get Massive x to actually be a next gen synth. as it is, its not my first choice of soft synth but i like having it in my arsenal. serum and phase plant have secured the top spots so far.
How does Phaseplant compare to Serum and Pigments? I think Native Instruments probably weren't finished with Massive X but had to release it. I hope they add more features as time goes by
I'm not a pigments user at the moment but I think phase plant can stack up against any synth due to its modulation abilities. The audio rate modulation that can freely flow from generator to generator until the modules are maxed out is incredibly useful and something I find myself missing when I open other synths.
As for serum, it I think in many ways serum has small edges but phase plant has several larger advantages at the moment. The modular approach, the simplicity of moving the parts around, the free flow of and ease of use when it comes to audio and control rate modulation ect... Phase plant still has many things going on behind the scenes with the devs as well that are very exciting. All in all I think phase plant is a very 2019 concept, taking advantage of the innovations over the years and offering a comprehensive package.
Massive X is not what I was expecting. Cant import wavetables, cant import samples, ugly interface, only 2 oscillators, awkward envelopes, lack of visual feedback etc etc
Also not sure the UI comment about pages is fair, because if you load up enough stuff in PP it's not like it's really all on one page unless you have a huge monitor; at some point you're going to be scrolling up and down to see things, which is functionally not very different than tabbing across pages. (all this said, love ya bro, you're the best!)
Buying a bundle like Komplete just for the promise of a synth no one has ever heard seems pretty ridiculous to me. Massive x is underwhelming especially compared to phaseplant or even Ana2. I’m sure it’s capable of a lot but it isn’t user friendly at all.
USER MANUAL coming soon means they rushed this out to hit that June release they were promising. Ugh, please don't tell me the soft synth market is like the video game market now.
That pissed me off when I seen that. Lately that’s seems to be their model at NI release a product with a promise of releasing other features or in this case a manual at a later date
SadowickProduction did a video showing how the OSC are aliasing more than the original. As for the unique sounds, some of them are really cool on their own, but I'll never use them because they are unique, everyone that uses MX will have them. At least it's capable of some, which is what I take from it. Over all . . . I don't want it. Just saw its 200 bones too, nope.
This new version of Massive X left thousands of users in the hand, not open, it installs but does not open due to a lack of CPU compartment unfortunately left to be desired, we asked the team of developers to correct this bug. Even the user having a super machine, the plugin DOES NOT OPEN!, And all other plugins work perfectly, except Massive X, MASSIVE X requires an AVX compatible processor..😕
It doesn’t have so many things we have come to expect. Phase plant is incredible in so many ways, I just didn’t gel with the sound of it..didn’t seem that interesting to me... Massive on the other hand has amazing oscillators and filters. My favourites overall are Hive 2, Dune 3 and I love the workflow of Rapid. pigments is awesome too. But outside of the mega beasts (falcon, omni etc) those are the best for me. I am sure massive will get there (at least I hope it does) but it already sounds great. It is a little bit like Reaktor lite...but the deal I got on Komplete means I have them all now, so happy days.
I'm with you on the PP sound just seeming... enh. It's crazy what you can do with it, but in the end the results haven't tickled my ears as much as something as simple as Repro.
At the end of the day, no. At this point, I sometimes don't even get the hype of some modern synths, you literally get the same sound out of them and only really need 3 in your arsenal. I don't know what will ever be that mind blowing in the audio world any more, but the thing is, I wanna be proved wrong, lol.
I think they should have waited to put this out. They even said more things coming. For now I think the presets are garbage. We waited so long for this? WTF!? However, I know they will do an excellent job in making it the best synth ever.
Thanks for the first look. I also just checked Massive X.. did you found any option to resize ? I cant believe that 2019 a "next gen" vst wouldnt allow zoom in or resize. Its nearly as tiny as the old Massive was. NI sticked to the past and assuming basically 4:3 low-res usage for over a decade now. I hope im wrong and i just didnt stumbled on the option.
Why my Massive X has cracking and popping noise everytime I press a key or holding it long enough?.. Yours sounded great... Anyway, whatever the problem people been complaining, there will be updates to fix it.
2 things I can think of off the top of my head. 1. Try increasing the buffer size in the audio settings. 2. Go to the cog icon and try turning on "fixed buffer size"
@@ComposingGloves Thank you for the advice.. the DAW was already been setup the way it should be 512. but the Massive X don't seem to have the option, as far as I know, but I could be wrong... Anyway, all of my synths sound great as always.. Only Massive X that does this..
Does this seriously not have per-oscillator unison? I thought Serum made that a new standard. It's so convenient being able to have unison stacked, detuned, stereo spread voices with a single voice mono sub underneath, all in the same synth instance. Huge oversight for Massive X if you ask me.
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Phase plant is just great but 2 pp per project and my pc is sweating
First of all how does that Phaseplant sound, I like the look of it. From what you played here the sound quality is way inferior to Massive. You can pile on as many effects as you like, as long as the basic sound sources are not great, you end up with something weak. Like you said, the synth engine is great. Secondly, sometimes less is more when it comes to a playable instrument. Massive X needs work, I expect substantial upgrades. Also clearly not a Reaktor instrument, otherwise you would have animation.
I agree, 8000 oscillators and 400 effects aren't going to make a better or more useable sound. I've had fun with the PP demo, but I did feel like the sound wasn't quite there. Maybe for dubstep or whatever, but it's not like Repro which amazes me with its sound literally every time I play it.
First point: Aren't ALL NI products from now on just going to be Reaktor based? It seems to me they made a strategic choice many years ago that Reaktor would be their own in-house development platform that they could productize different ensembles. Look at anything they've released in the last few years, it's either Reaktor based or a glorified preset pack. It's probably why they're acting like Abysnth doesn't exist, when it is STILL a rad synth that nothing else really replaces, even though it's UI got old in like 2006. So with that Reaktor as platform idea in mind, I seriously doubt they're going to open up Massive X, because for instance if you can grab the wavetables and redesign everything in Reaktor yourself, why would you need to buy Massive X? Anyway I agree with a lot of what you say, but I'm also with Kill the Noise - you gotta just take any instrument for what it is, and see what you can do with it, instead of coming to it with expectations and entitlements that will keep you from really exploring how far you can push it. I mean don't get me wrong, NI drive me effing crazy with their boneheaded and near-unprofessional product management, but they're still the ONLY company on the market doing everything they do, so it's not really fair to compare anyone else to them. Maybe Arturia.
Great video I love your content. I noticed you use fl studio. And i have come across this problem when the mod wheel and pitch bend doesn't automatically work with my midi keyboards like other daw.. Please i need help and i haven't been Able to find any video that addresses that.. Would be nice if you could help.. Thanks
@@blaqdiamondgold That one is usually linked to the pitch bend knob in the wrapper. If that one isn't set up I'd use the parameter link. I talk about setting up such controls permanently in this video th-cam.com/video/8yxaTe6i-JM/w-d-xo.html
It's weird that some people find the interface confusing.. Massive X is as straight-forward as you can get... from left to right.. Oscillators -> Noise Generators -> Filter -> Insert FX -> Amp -> Stereo FX.. Literally the entire signal path is visible in the most logical order.. no hidden stuff.. no page 1,page 2, unless you want to dive into the modulation stuff or individual fx parameters... why is it confusing?
Releasing software half-finished is a way to create hype; everyone complains and talks about it (free marketing and publicity) then BAM! They release an update with a bunch of fixes. It's just Marketing strategies.
@@sensiblynumb Maybe garbage was a bit strongly worded, but with so many other great synths out there (eg Phaseplant, Pigments) that have clearly much better interfaces, I'm not interested in Massive X no matter how good it sounds. I can tell from looking at that interface that I would find it difficult to know what's going on with a patch. I wouldn't use it because it's hard to use. I expected better from a company the size of NI. You go ahead and enjoy it, that's great. But I will use something else until they fix the obvious problems.
Lol!! The problem is that people want EVERYTHING TO BE THE SAME as what they already like or what already exists.. You talk about what other synths can do that Massive X can't, but never bothered to explore or highlight what Massive X can do that others can't, like how flexible the routing section is and how the performers are a step up of what we've seen so far.. Is it the next generation Synth though? I think it depends on perspective.. If next generation to you is "more features" or "more of everything", then Massive X is not next generation enough, but if next generation to you is creating unique and exciting sounds (that actually sound good) quickly and effortlessly, Massive X is definitely a contender..
jazRock13 Best comment. My thoughts exactly. Limitations are good for creativity. And I can see myself making sounds pretty quickly in this as well because of the limitations.
One filter slot?? No visual feedback, no wavetable import , tricky cofusing GUI , amp envelope hard wired to both oscillators? I hope I'm mistaken about some of this, but if I am, why isn't it obvious to me in the GUI? I've been fooling with it for 2 days. No documentation. Is this thing seriously limited to 3 effects at a time? I really wanted to love this thing but I have to agree with you...I bought Phase Plant today and had it figured out in about 5 minutes without looking at the manual. Incredibly flexible and intuitive. Terrible name but who cares? Phase Plant rocks. I was unaware of it before your video so thanks for the heads up.
A. W. Bullington Synthesizers traditionally were never about effects. If you can’t make a great sound without adding effects the synth itself is no good. Vice versa many people just add effects to sounds because they don’t know how to make a good preset to start with. Effects are really mostly post production tools imo and part of doing sound design in your DAW.
Yeah I got 12 just for this and right now it's not worth it. I Also got the new midi keyboard controller that is broken after 6 months. So yes I'm not really happy with native right now
So you're comparing quantity to quality and latest versions of synths to the first version of Massive X. Maybe it'd be more fair to compare the 1st versions of Massive and PhasePlant to Massive X? FFs everyone spends 5 minutes with Massive X and it's the Final Judgement. Y'all are gonna be 'ok it's better now that they updated it' 6 months or a year from. Y'all need to hold your horses and spend some quality time playing with the synth instead of whining about how the 1st version of it isn't Gods Jizz
I'll defend it a little too, but to be fair, NI are to blame for hyping and then delaying this damn thing for well over a year. And it's not really "the 1st version" in most people's minds, because it's using the name of their previous flagship synth. While that may not be accurate or not, again, it's down to NI to create and manage expectations; in this case I think their habits of overhyping shit caught up to them, even if I think in the end it's pretty cool.
@@hostnik777 You don't think they wanted to realease it as it is, do you? Shit happens sometimes; it's why they had to delay it. Instead of delaying it again they decided let us play it as is. What they should have at least done is have it as a beta state. I admit they could've been more communicative.
I have to honest say when Cubase came out with Media Bay when all patches were placed in a big data base I was shocked how similar softsynths were sonically. Bells and whistles don’t add up sh*t sonically. In other words softsynths don’t compare to voltage being sent through a real vca/vca. I’m not impressed.
My advice would be to get Phase Plant. If Massive X got enough patches to compete eventually, get it too. Phase Plant including all other kilohearts apps will cost you 10$ a month and you're getting 100$ coupon back after each 12 months of subscription. This is a no brainer.
@@ComposingGloves 9 euro a month form me and 100 eur per year voucher to buy more an more of phaseplant (you can use everthing with the subsrciption but to own it without paying you gotta get it bit by bit).
Problem is if you don't start with the same wavetables and filters, it's going to be hard to get a close enough approximation to do an accurate comparison. I guess you could do that with bread and butter stuff like square and 24db ladder filters, but that's going to miss a lot of the individual character of each instrument.
You comment got marked as spam for some reason. I never realized that I only uploaded it to youtube! haha, guess I moved onto the next project a little to fast. I'll have to get it up there!
No it isn't. It is extremely disappointing. It is unusable on my MacBook Pro laptop - can't even play the presets - so utterly CPU heavy. The UI looks cool but makes zero sense, not intuitive. Phase Plant is the next gen synth and Serum is still a best, both of those two will continue to dominate. Massive X is really unfinished and a huge let down. Presets sound great, have no idea how to make anything useful on it thus far. It doesn't even have unison per oscillator (as far as I can tell). I wouldn't buy it if you're on the fence. If you have hopes they will fix it / improve then maybe (which is my only hope right now).
@@embersandash I'm running a mid 2015 MBP 13" 16gb RAM 1tb SSD and it's 23% CPU running the init patch. It works fine on my iMac, sadly I do most sound design on the laptop. Regardless of CPU performance, on the iMac I still feel it is way over hyped and way underwhelming. Phase Plant beats it hands down IMHO.
Why are people complaining about something that's only been out a day . Give it a chance .use it .learn the functionality. If you still don't like it in a month then complain.
To be fair, Composing Gloves hasn't even USED the synth yet, and this is just a first impression of the synth. He has no experience with how the effects sound, the filters sound, the osc warping functions sound, just that there isn't a lot of them to use at the same time. Massive X seems to have really cool and wild effects, filters, and osc warps that produce really cool sounds, which Composing Gloves seems to sense intuitively when listening to the presets, just hasn't explored yet. All he sees is the functionality flaws, and sadly, that's all you and his viewers are going to see if this is the only video they watch on Massive X. On the topic of the functionality flaws, it's not impossible that Native Instruments are going to address this in future updates some time soon.
Your voice is like.. mmmmm, your facial hair is like.. mmmmm. This review was like.. mmmmmmm. The thing that matters at launch with Massive X is that the sound engine works great and that there are enough features so we can start using it. This is just the start and no doubt the feature set will increase ”massively” in the next few years. NI now has a ton of feedback and as they are campaigning this as THE synth for the next decade i’m sure they won’t stop developing it further now.
I have faith in NI and am excited to see where they go. I do like the synth. This isn’t a review just first impressions. I found your burn pretty funny.
Feedback is not relevant. Most of the reviews you read in the internet is just people dickriding certain companies. I dont know if you tried Massive X yourself but it doesnt sound like the next gen synth. You sound like a NI blind fanboy
It really seems unfinished.
definitely unfinished. I hope to see many future patches addressing all these issues
It really does look empty in some places
They (N.I.) really released Massive X way too soon. Now, 3 years later, it has - through updates - finally become the synthesizer it claimed to be at the beginning. It might actually even be _my favorite synth plugin._ (!)
Sadly, most people have already long since lost interest in MASSIVE X because of how buggy and disappointing it was when it was first released. (And I can't really blame them... )
As I've said elsewhere: I love what's under the hood. The hood itself needs work.
Really good review. In my opinion I say that whatever creates "the sound" of a synth is certain limitations in whatever and wherever it may be. Of course there are synths out there that lend you all control over it's sound design options and user interface, but sometimes when I am facing writers block when creating sounds of synthesis I like to step back and use a synth that is meant to do whatever its restrictions let it be and sometimes some really good sounds come out. Great video I was really curious of this new Massive X.
Yes it looks like rough functionality, but the sound! The sound! My go to is VPS Avenger, but I'm going to learn Massive X
This video seems to have struck a chord, I have never had such an insane comment to view ratio before. (for my channel anyways). The verity of opinions and viewpoints are great!
massive x is the anthem of synths
You can access the user folder in Windows Explorer by clicking on the little triangle next to the Massive logo and the drop down menu, you can also rescan the files from there
i agree completely. It is 'hmmm', but very cool nevertheless. It isn't finished AT ALL. PhasePlant is indeed MX's master on almost all levels
I’m pretty old school. I still use 10 year old soft synths but phase plant looks stunning.
what every synth missing is live preview on browsing of preset and a preset browser just by hovering
CarouselBlind just use it in Komplete kontrol for audio previews
Why the fuck is this channel so underrated for god sake you deserve like a million subscriber or some shit
While 4 or so years later MX still lacks some basic funtionalities that its predecessor had from the start (e.g. better preset managment) and also lacks some features of other wavetable synths (WT generator and WT import) that thing just sounds awesome right out of the box, so much that my old standbies like Avenger and Synthmaster 1&2 will likely gather some digital dust down the road.
I think you are confusing more options with having a quality synth. What IS important is that the concept of a Synth works, not how much options it has. That's why severly limited synths are legends, like the MiniMoog, the 303, the 808, the Korg Volcas. They are all limited, but their concept works and that is what counts. Me: i would never buy the Phaseplant. If i want modular i go with Reaktor and VCV.
Watching this in november when the manual is actually released :P
They should have called it Reactive 😜..... Phase Plant takes the win without any doubt.
I hate to be that guy but as far as modulation goes. There several synths that have Massive X beat.. Examples: Hive 2.0, Dune 3, Electra2, Serum, UVI Falcon, and Arturia Pigments.. The new UI is terrible! Far too confusing even for someone with experience. Worst of all there's no damn manual!!! Native Instruments is a top shelf company. Yet the delayed a synth for 3-4 months to not have a manual on release?
i don't think functionality and limitlesness was really what NI was going for here. They have Reaktor 6, which easily destroys every single synth on the market in that aspect. I believe Massive X was supposed to be an accessible synth for young producers and not a 'power synth' for sound designers'. I think everybody is misunderstanding what Massive X was really supposed to be.
Laurenz Schneeberger Exactly! When it comes to a playable instrument, sometimes less is more as this might improve focus. Too many options are cluttering the space and decision making process. It’s not how much stuff you can pile on, it’s about what you can do with it and mostly (same as with cooking) the more you throw in, the more you loose a specific character. But I do think NI has some work to do here when it comes to GUI, in terms of visual feedback. I assume the Browsers falls short, because we are supposed to use Komplete Kontrol for that, but still we should also have a more organized Browser here as well as an easier to navigate wavetable browser. Also, since we don’t have numeric controls we should at least have some visual feedback in the envelopes.
I love this thing it sounds awesome, made already great sounds with it - and to open the user folder click on the triange next to massive x - in the dropdown menu first entry afair - but unfinished? yes but there will come more stuff i guess and like i said if i just use my ears it has really something i like a lot
Massive X unique effects are the only reason i'd get the plugin. Otherwise it's no different than Serum/Pigments/Phaseplant, except with limitations that the others don't have.
I can appreciate the flexibility & approachability of ‘Phaseplant’, I’m STILL glad I went with NI’s MASSIVE X, and although not all that important in some respects, I really like the Skins on it, AND how you can RESIZE its interface to make it easier to see the controls etc!
the synth sounds great, i think that's what really matters. i have never needed more than a few oscillators anyhow.
at least massive X seems easier to use than massive. It has a lot of presets out of the box. you forgot to mention that it comes straight with the komplete 12 package ... so, it is kind of default synth that you could use after buying it. The new interface looks clean and userfriendly for newbie like myself :). So maybe native-instrument wanted massive X to be a synth for newbie and still get good sound out of it.
I've never heard of phaseplant before, but it looks sick
Massive x is so intimidating. After getting familiar with Vital everything else feels so archaic.
The fact that the envelopes don't give you visual feedback is just trash
I think nothing will top the comb of Massive, Serum and Sylenth
The ones in MSoundfactory?
I feel Serum pretty much makes Massive obsolete
I bought vps avenger a few months back. Serves me well, sounds good and does more than I need, including fm, granular, 8 osc etc. thanks for the review anyway. Greetings from Vienna!
it seems like it was rushed to pacify the buyers. I'm hoping that the updates will get this thing up to par kinda like abeltons updates have been money. maybe they'll pay attention to the feedback and what phase plant is doing to get Massive x to actually be a next gen synth. as it is, its not my first choice of soft synth but i like having it in my arsenal. serum and phase plant have secured the top spots so far.
but the sound of massive x is out of this world if only other synths sounded like that right.
How does Phaseplant compare to Serum and Pigments? I think Native Instruments probably weren't finished with Massive X but had to release it. I hope they add more features as time goes by
I'm not a pigments user at the moment but I think phase plant can stack up against any synth due to its modulation abilities. The audio rate modulation that can freely flow from generator to generator until the modules are maxed out is incredibly useful and something I find myself missing when I open other synths.
As for serum, it I think in many ways serum has small edges but phase plant has several larger advantages at the moment. The modular approach, the simplicity of moving the parts around, the free flow of and ease of use when it comes to audio and control rate modulation ect... Phase plant still has many things going on behind the scenes with the devs as well that are very exciting. All in all I think phase plant is a very 2019 concept, taking advantage of the innovations over the years and offering a comprehensive package.
Massive X is not what I was expecting. Cant import wavetables, cant import samples, ugly interface, only 2 oscillators, awkward envelopes, lack of visual feedback etc etc
serum is still the synth to go!
Also not sure the UI comment about pages is fair, because if you load up enough stuff in PP it's not like it's really all on one page unless you have a huge monitor; at some point you're going to be scrolling up and down to see things, which is functionally not very different than tabbing across pages. (all this said, love ya bro, you're the best!)
Buying a bundle like Komplete just for the promise of a synth no one has ever heard seems pretty ridiculous to me. Massive x is underwhelming especially compared to phaseplant or even Ana2. I’m sure it’s capable of a lot but it isn’t user friendly at all.
USER MANUAL coming soon means they rushed this out to hit that June release they were promising. Ugh, please don't tell me the soft synth market is like the video game market now.
never a good sign. look at battlefield V haha
@@andrewcariola12 Lol. It was leaked that devs were internally calling BFV "almost launch ready"...three MONTHS after release.
Well, Phaseplant has DLC, so...
That pissed me off when I seen that. Lately that’s seems to be their model at NI release a product with a promise of releasing other features or in this case a manual at a later date
SadowickProduction did a video showing how the OSC are aliasing more than the original. As for the unique sounds, some of them are really cool on their own, but I'll never use them because they are unique, everyone that uses MX will have them. At least it's capable of some, which is what I take from it.
Over all . . . I don't want it. Just saw its 200 bones too, nope.
Saw that video too.. I wonder if Massive X has Oversampling and if, where you can change the quality settings of the oscillators?
The conclusions of that video were strongly challenged by folks at KVR Audio.
lol do you mean everyone has the presets ?
Massive X has upper harmonics in the sine wave, that is not aliasing.
This new version of Massive X left thousands of users in the hand, not open, it installs but does not open due to a lack of CPU compartment unfortunately left to be desired, we asked the team of developers to correct this bug. Even the user having a super machine, the plugin DOES NOT OPEN!, And all other plugins work perfectly, except Massive X, MASSIVE X requires an AVX compatible processor..😕
It doesn’t have so many things we have come to expect. Phase plant is incredible in so many ways, I just didn’t gel with the sound of it..didn’t seem that interesting to me...
Massive on the other hand has amazing oscillators and filters.
My favourites overall are Hive 2, Dune 3 and I love the workflow of Rapid. pigments is awesome too.
But outside of the mega beasts (falcon, omni etc) those are the best for me.
I am sure massive will get there (at least I hope it does) but it already sounds great.
It is a little bit like Reaktor lite...but the deal I got on Komplete means I have them all now, so happy days.
I'm with you on the PP sound just seeming... enh. It's crazy what you can do with it, but in the end the results haven't tickled my ears as much as something as simple as Repro.
i love your orange thing going on man!
First time I encountered PhasePlant... it seems much more sophisticated than MassiveX which reminds me of reactor block modules..
At the end of the day, no. At this point, I sometimes don't even get the hype of some modern synths, you literally get the same sound out of them and only really need 3 in your arsenal. I don't know what will ever be that mind blowing in the audio world any more, but the thing is, I wanna be proved wrong, lol.
I'm with you🤷🏾♂️
I dunno... 3 would be hard. ;D Which 3 are your picks? Falcon and Reaktor don't count.
I am looking forward to buy a new synth, I have used serum so far and I want to explore, phase plant or massive x which one should I go for?
Phaseplant for sure! There's a lot you can do in that synth
KALESO MUSIC at the moment most definitely Phase Plant
I think they should have waited to put this out. They even said more things coming. For now I think the presets are garbage. We waited so long for this? WTF!? However, I know they will do an excellent job in making it the best synth ever.
You compare it to reactor which is a additive synthesizer. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure massive X is subtractive synthesis.
Massive x it should have been called something else. I love Massive 1 . They need to go back to drawing board on this one
Massive Next? Jk, I actually like it.
Thanks, clearly no next generation synth. But Phase Plant looks really interesting.
Thanks for the first look. I also just checked Massive X.. did you found any option to resize ? I cant believe that 2019 a "next gen" vst wouldnt allow zoom in or resize. Its nearly as tiny as the old Massive was. NI sticked to the past and assuming basically 4:3 low-res usage for over a decade now. I hope im wrong and i just didnt stumbled on the option.
Yes resizing is possible, click the drop down next to the name. Its a little hidden.
@@ComposingGloves awesome,thanks for the clarification! another of these "should be easy to find" things. =)
Why my Massive X has cracking and popping noise everytime I press a key or holding it long enough?.. Yours sounded great... Anyway, whatever the problem people been complaining, there will be updates to fix it.
2 things I can think of off the top of my head.
1. Try increasing the buffer size in the audio settings.
2. Go to the cog icon and try turning on "fixed buffer size"
@@ComposingGloves Thank you for the advice.. the DAW was already been setup the way it should be 512. but the Massive X don't seem to have the option, as far as I know, but I could be wrong... Anyway, all of my synths sound great as always.. Only Massive X that does this..
Does this seriously not have per-oscillator unison? I thought Serum made that a new standard. It's so convenient being able to have unison stacked, detuned, stereo spread voices with a single voice mono sub underneath, all in the same synth instance. Huge oversight for Massive X if you ask me.
Phase plant is just great but 2 pp per project and my pc is sweating
First of all how does that Phaseplant sound, I like the look of it. From what you played here the sound quality is way inferior to Massive. You can pile on as many effects as you like, as long as the basic sound sources are not great, you end up with something weak. Like you said, the synth engine is great. Secondly, sometimes less is more when it comes to a playable instrument. Massive X needs work, I expect substantial upgrades.
Also clearly not a Reaktor instrument, otherwise you would have animation.
I agree, 8000 oscillators and 400 effects aren't going to make a better or more useable sound. I've had fun with the PP demo, but I did feel like the sound wasn't quite there. Maybe for dubstep or whatever, but it's not like Repro which amazes me with its sound literally every time I play it.
First point: Aren't ALL NI products from now on just going to be Reaktor based? It seems to me they made a strategic choice many years ago that Reaktor would be their own in-house development platform that they could productize different ensembles. Look at anything they've released in the last few years, it's either Reaktor based or a glorified preset pack. It's probably why they're acting like Abysnth doesn't exist, when it is STILL a rad synth that nothing else really replaces, even though it's UI got old in like 2006. So with that Reaktor as platform idea in mind, I seriously doubt they're going to open up Massive X, because for instance if you can grab the wavetables and redesign everything in Reaktor yourself, why would you need to buy Massive X?
Anyway I agree with a lot of what you say, but I'm also with Kill the Noise - you gotta just take any instrument for what it is, and see what you can do with it, instead of coming to it with expectations and entitlements that will keep you from really exploring how far you can push it. I mean don't get me wrong, NI drive me effing crazy with their boneheaded and near-unprofessional product management, but they're still the ONLY company on the market doing everything they do, so it's not really fair to compare anyone else to them. Maybe Arturia.
Great video
I love your content.
I noticed you use fl studio. And i have come across this problem when the mod wheel and pitch bend doesn't automatically work with my midi keyboards like other daw.. Please i need help and i haven't been Able to find any video that addresses that.. Would be nice if you could help.. Thanks
Mod wheel is linked to CC1 I believe, so but if the dev of the plug didn't link it then you will have to.
@@ComposingGloves Thanks alot... I really appreciate.
What about the pitch bend?
@@blaqdiamondgold That one is usually linked to the pitch bend knob in the wrapper. If that one isn't set up I'd use the parameter link. I talk about setting up such controls permanently in this video th-cam.com/video/8yxaTe6i-JM/w-d-xo.html
Sometimes limitations are a good thing but the confusing interface....not so much.
It's weird that some people find the interface confusing.. Massive X is as straight-forward as you can get... from left to right.. Oscillators -> Noise Generators -> Filter -> Insert FX -> Amp -> Stereo FX.. Literally the entire signal path is visible in the most logical order.. no hidden stuff.. no page 1,page 2, unless you want to dive into the modulation stuff or individual fx parameters... why is it confusing?
Releasing software half-finished is a way to create hype; everyone complains and talks about it (free marketing and publicity) then BAM! They release an update with a bunch of fixes. It's just Marketing strategies.
Create hype by releasing unfinished garbage? Well as a potential customer they've lost me with all the limitations. That interface looks painful.
@@drelephanttube Try it, If you know much about Synths you will not call this garbage.
@@sensiblynumb Maybe garbage was a bit strongly worded, but with so many other great synths out there (eg Phaseplant, Pigments) that have clearly much better interfaces, I'm not interested in Massive X no matter how good it sounds.
I can tell from looking at that interface that I would find it difficult to know what's going on with a patch. I wouldn't use it because it's hard to use. I expected better from a company the size of NI.
You go ahead and enjoy it, that's great. But I will use something else until they fix the obvious problems.
Stop. You're already done. Where do I get that PhasePlant.!
Lol!! The problem is that people want EVERYTHING TO BE THE SAME as what they already like or what already exists.. You talk about what other synths can do that Massive X can't, but never bothered to explore or highlight what Massive X can do that others can't, like how flexible the routing section is and how the performers are a step up of what we've seen so far.. Is it the next generation Synth though? I think it depends on perspective.. If next generation to you is "more features" or "more of everything", then Massive X is not next generation enough, but if next generation to you is creating unique and exciting sounds (that actually sound good) quickly and effortlessly, Massive X is definitely a contender..
jazRock13 Best comment. My thoughts exactly. Limitations are good for creativity. And I can see myself making sounds pretty quickly in this as well because of the limitations.
jazRock13 I couldn’t have said it better Thank u for a real comment
It looks like that super 8 reaktor exp.
Radu Popa Indeed and super8 has a fantastic sound quality as well.. and as a Reaktor instrument it also has animated controls!
One filter slot?? No visual feedback, no wavetable import , tricky cofusing GUI , amp envelope hard wired to both oscillators? I hope I'm mistaken about some of this, but if I am, why isn't it obvious to me in the GUI? I've been fooling with it for 2 days. No documentation. Is this thing seriously limited to 3 effects at a time?
I really wanted to love this thing but I have to agree with you...I bought Phase Plant today and had it figured out in about 5 minutes without looking at the manual. Incredibly flexible and intuitive. Terrible name but who cares? Phase Plant rocks.
I was unaware of it before your video so thanks for the heads up.
A. W. Bullington Synthesizers traditionally were never about effects. If you can’t make a great sound without adding effects the synth itself is no good. Vice versa many people just add effects to sounds because they don’t know how to make a good preset to start with. Effects are really mostly post production tools imo and part of doing sound design in your DAW.
Yeah I got 12 just for this and right now it's not worth it. I Also got the new midi keyboard controller that is broken after 6 months. So yes I'm not really happy with native right now
This whole synth especially the presets feel very plasticky and lacking in warmth in a way
So you're comparing quantity to quality and latest versions of synths to the first version of Massive X. Maybe it'd be more fair to compare the 1st versions of Massive and PhasePlant to Massive X?
FFs everyone spends 5 minutes with Massive X and it's the Final Judgement. Y'all are gonna be 'ok it's better now that they updated it' 6 months or a year from. Y'all need to hold your horses and spend some quality time playing with the synth instead of whining about how the 1st version of it isn't Gods Jizz
I'll defend it a little too, but to be fair, NI are to blame for hyping and then delaying this damn thing for well over a year. And it's not really "the 1st version" in most people's minds, because it's using the name of their previous flagship synth. While that may not be accurate or not, again, it's down to NI to create and manage expectations; in this case I think their habits of overhyping shit caught up to them, even if I think in the end it's pretty cool.
@@hostnik777 You don't think they wanted to realease it as it is, do you? Shit happens sometimes; it's why they had to delay it. Instead of delaying it again they decided let us play it as is. What they should have at least done is have it as a beta state. I admit they could've been more communicative.
got it..omnishere is miles ahead.....for my taste.
How did you get massive x to work in fl studio 20 I need some help my dude
I treated it like any other vst. Some people are having issues if their computer doesnt support avx.
I have to honest say when Cubase came out with Media Bay when all patches were placed in a big data base I was shocked how similar softsynths were sonically. Bells and whistles don’t add up sh*t sonically. In other words softsynths don’t compare to voltage being sent through a real vca/vca. I’m not impressed.
i love u man lol. u nailed massive x. ummmm. phaseplant is #godsynth
Let’s be honest here, between massive x and phase plant serum is better :v
Holy shit tho, phase plant is rlly good tho ;-;
plot twist: it is not
phase plant or massive x? vote
KALESO MUSIC id get the massive x
My advice would be to get Phase Plant.
If Massive X got enough patches to compete eventually, get it too.
Phase Plant including all other kilohearts apps will cost you 10$ a month and you're getting 100$ coupon back after each 12 months of subscription. This is a no brainer.
Do you compose gloves?
Bright orange gloves
The best part of Massive X review is still videos like this playing after them: th-cam.com/video/gxnvmu2ztKE/w-d-xo.html
So now we gonna get portal 3
I wish 🤣
@@HellaBeatsOfficial yeah
Massive Disappointment
is phase plant free?...
No but they have a rent to own deal that is the best I've ever seen.
@@ComposingGloves 9 euro a month form me and 100 eur per year voucher to buy more an more of phaseplant (you can use everthing with the subsrciption but to own it without paying you gotta get it bit by bit).
My computer is too old!
to see preset folder, click the drop down next to the massive logo...
A good comparison would be trying to create some outstanding Massive X presets (e.g. "Aldente Hollywood", "Alternate Tone") with Phase Plant.
Problem is if you don't start with the same wavetables and filters, it's going to be hard to get a close enough approximation to do an accurate comparison. I guess you could do that with bread and butter stuff like square and 24db ladder filters, but that's going to miss a lot of the individual character of each instrument.
you are just fine with just the good old massive lol next generation is always bad nowadays
it looks like they rushed this so bad. its looks terrible and is not fun to use. serum still the best
What’s the name of the song at the end?
Its a track of mine called "The Seeker" - th-cam.com/video/L7mld1Gro7E/w-d-xo.html =)
Composing Gloves it was done very nicely. I applaud. Where can I purchase it? I don’t see it at I tunes.
You comment got marked as spam for some reason. I never realized that I only uploaded it to youtube! haha, guess I moved onto the next project a little to fast. I'll have to get it up there!
PHASE PLANT IS THE BEST SYNTH OF TODAY'S GENERATION
phase plant > massive x basically
No its just flavor of the month.
Totally ....
MASSIVE F
cpu over 9000, preset change load time is about 10 sec. what a waste of Crack lel
Serum: exist
Massive : its free restate
Vps Avenger😉
No it isn't. It is extremely disappointing. It is unusable on my MacBook Pro laptop - can't even play the presets - so utterly CPU heavy. The UI looks cool but makes zero sense, not intuitive. Phase Plant is the next gen synth and Serum is still a best, both of those two will continue to dominate. Massive X is really unfinished and a huge let down. Presets sound great, have no idea how to make anything useful on it thus far. It doesn't even have unison per oscillator (as far as I can tell). I wouldn't buy it if you're on the fence. If you have hopes they will fix it / improve then maybe (which is my only hope right now).
Manish Sehgal it’s seems to perform very well on my mid-2012 MBP 13”.
@@embersandash I'm running a mid 2015 MBP 13" 16gb RAM 1tb SSD and it's 23% CPU running the init patch. It works fine on my iMac, sadly I do most sound design on the laptop. Regardless of CPU performance, on the iMac I still feel it is way over hyped and way underwhelming. Phase Plant beats it hands down IMHO.
Why are people complaining about something that's only been out a day . Give it a chance .use it .learn the functionality. If you still don't like it in a month then complain.
Man I hate this synth. I just want Phase Plant
Nope
NO MIDI LEARN!!! bad Support
Serum for life
It's the same shit, better gui and better routing. That's it. Not revolutionary AT ALL or even close.
To be fair, Composing Gloves hasn't even USED the synth yet, and this is just a first impression of the synth. He has no experience with how the effects sound, the filters sound, the osc warping functions sound, just that there isn't a lot of them to use at the same time. Massive X seems to have really cool and wild effects, filters, and osc warps that produce really cool sounds, which Composing Gloves seems to sense intuitively when listening to the presets, just hasn't explored yet. All he sees is the functionality flaws, and sadly, that's all you and his viewers are going to see if this is the only video they watch on Massive X. On the topic of the functionality flaws, it's not impossible that Native Instruments are going to address this in future updates some time soon.
Your voice is like.. mmmmm, your facial hair is like.. mmmmm. This review was like.. mmmmmmm.
The thing that matters at launch with Massive X is that the sound engine works great and that there are enough features so we can start using it. This is just the start and no doubt the feature set will increase ”massively” in the next few years. NI now has a ton of feedback and as they are campaigning this as THE synth for the next decade i’m sure they won’t stop developing it further now.
I have faith in NI and am excited to see where they go. I do like the synth. This isn’t a review just first impressions. I found your burn pretty funny.
Composing Gloves Everything you said in the video was spot on. Let’s hope NI will develop this to the full version of the synth soon.
Feedback is not relevant. Most of the reviews you read in the internet is just people dickriding certain companies. I dont know if you tried Massive X yourself but it doesnt sound like the next gen synth. You sound like a NI blind fanboy
check out multiplier's review, he has had a few months with it and has some good insights...th-cam.com/video/5sG7Zs9bmP4/w-d-xo.html
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So disappointing!
I heard it was trash.