Ableton Move: My Unpopular HOT TAKE!

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ต.ค. 2024
  • Ableton just announced a new portable sampler groove called "Move". I know my opinion will be unpopular but the hot take is necessary!
    original video: • Ableton Move: Feature ...

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  • @theOtherNism
    @theOtherNism 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

    I think only including Live intro with their hardware makes sense, not just for sales of the software, but also from a customer relations point of view. The main target audience for these devices are people that already use Live. If they gave away a full version of Live with the hardware, or even a limited version with an upgrade path, that wouldn’t be fair to their existing customers who already paid full price for Live and then have to pay full price for the hardware. I think it is wise to prioritize the feelings of your existing customers over those of potential new users, especially if you’ll probably sell more of these units to existing customers than to new ones.

  • @FuZZbaLLbee
    @FuZZbaLLbee 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +15

    8 channels would be oke for me, but 4 is not enough

    • @montanamaxxamillion
      @montanamaxxamillion 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      At least let it scroll down to reveal another set of 4 like a launchpad would

    • @kend7597
      @kend7597 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      You’re not going to be making complex intricate projects on a little machine like this. Even if you were, it wouldn’t even be worth listening to. 4 is enough for starting your solid ideas or drum patterns which you can later transfer into your actual DAW

    • @llorenzo582
      @llorenzo582 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Agreeeee

    • @Bilpokat
      @Bilpokat ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      4 😂😂😂😂hahahaha nope
      move bish get out the way

  • @DanielIvan707
    @DanielIvan707 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +10

    I was a Ableton Push 3 fanboy until I tried the Force. Akai is the best. They need to make a portable version with speakers, battery, MPE, Mic?? Game over.

    • @MALAKAMARYNYAHU
      @MALAKAMARYNYAHU 49 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      CORRECT

    • @RobBecTraxxx
      @RobBecTraxxx 10 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      How/why is Force better? I never used Force but ended up buying Push after watching tons of videos of both being used. I went with Push mainly because every aspect of it (physical and software) is directly integrated to Ableton. I too am a huge Akai fan and user. But, what do you find better? I may have to circle back and give Force a try.

  • @tomblaze2
    @tomblaze2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    They dropped the ball with 4 track limit - similar track limit to Novation circuit -- meanwhile if your drop more $ on a MPC - not an issue

  • @mafiamusicfamily
    @mafiamusicfamily ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    The push 3 has upgraded drastically. Only thing its missing is a arranger view. Its actually on par with the MPC. If they add a arranger view to the push 3. its on par with the mpc brand

  • @justinsomuch6324
    @justinsomuch6324 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    It just seems too limited and why for that price? 4 tracks means so much resampling. I never liked Note cause I don’t mobile producing but I might buy the app to learn the workflow then buy this in a month when people get tired of them after a month for $100 off. I don’t really see these becoming classics and holder their value.

  • @Funkotronimus
    @Funkotronimus ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    It’s about the same price as 5 pocket operators, and probably on par with that level of enjoyment (speaking as someone who loves POs)

  • @omannpro
    @omannpro 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

    Ableton remixed the Roland Verselab and made it less than....

    • @JamesBermingham
      @JamesBermingham 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@omannpro Verselab definitely beats Ableton Move all round.
      Ableton beats it with ease of sampling.

  • @PaulOrtiz
    @PaulOrtiz 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I don’t mind it only having 4 tracks. A lot of great songs/grooves have 3-4 things going on at any one time and if all you wanna do is start the backbone of an idea I think you could do it on this.
    But, for almost 500 bucks there are other options. Like a second hand 3rd or 4th gen iPad Pro with Logic and/or koala. And if/when you get this and outgrow the Move and Live Intro, then you’ve gotta move up to Suite and a Push 2 or 3. Then you’ve spent the equivalent of a decent laptop.
    I dunno. It’s kinda cool and there’s a part of me that would love to chill on the couch with this. But I can just sit with my laptop and Logic/Live/Reason and go so far beyond a 4 track sketch. The only thing I’d be missing is the tactile element. But conversely, what you’re missing on this is a useful display. So, swings and roundabouts.
    Be interested to see how it’s received.

  • @GrayGhostDog1
    @GrayGhostDog1 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    It is a MIDI controller... pads are polyphonic after-touch... Ableton Link is their own proprietary protocol, not sure if it's similar to Bluetooth or utilized over Wi-Fi... Wi-Fi, no mention of Bluetooth...
    It seems to be a product more in-line with certain Teenage Engineering products, Yamaha Seqtrak, Roland's SP/MC and a couple Aira Compact units, but with possibility to be integrated to a fully featured DAW. It's far more PORTABLE than the Push 3 Standalone and the Akai MPC Live 2... Akai could have beat them to the punch with a standalone device built around the MPC Studio 2.

  • @vinylselektaz6475
    @vinylselektaz6475 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    I will be returning the P6

    • @buggablues
      @buggablues 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Exactly what I’m doing

  • @malikmoehring513
    @malikmoehring513 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I really miss Free Download Friday's😔

  • @JamesBermingham
    @JamesBermingham 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

    Nice review Ave.
    Drift, Wavetable and Drum Sampler are the only native synths ported over from Live. I expect others to be added in future updates.
    Operator and Analog at launch would be an insta purchase.
    It’s a pass from me at the moment, as I do have Push 3 standalone.
    I could borrow the 4 track workflow from Move over to my P3 and have everything I need.
    I think this product is aimed a new, younger generation of users who are glued to iPhones using Ableton Note. And probably trying to convert FL studio kids too.
    If you got push 3, I don’t think this is needed

  • @tonybeatbutcher
    @tonybeatbutcher 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ableton always makes a basic device, and then upgrades will follow, it's like lets first build strong foudations then build that house on it. But Push3 has maybe the best pads for Finger Drumming.

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Dude, I was one of the best if not the best finger drummer I know not like the pads. We even did a review on their product together.

  • @gtubgle
    @gtubgle 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    The price will the deal breaker. I think it's exciting though to have dedicated hardware for Live from Ableton. Ableton and Bitwig, nothing else touches it for sound design.

    • @remka2000
      @remka2000 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Forget my previous comment 😅 (which I don't see anyway ahah).

    • @AdamFiregate
      @AdamFiregate 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      449 EUR looks ok, even with East European country cheap currencies.
      We got used to that everything is expensive already.

  • @jonathanaguilar710
    @jonathanaguilar710 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    Keep in mind it's not just 449. Your going to eventually need upgraded Ableton so that's an extra couple hundred there. It's ridiculous and it's why i don't consider any of their products since it's tied so much to the software and they don't care to give you anything better than intro.

    • @ChunkyLover69420
      @ChunkyLover69420 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Why would you buy ableton hardware if your not an ableton person already

    • @morecowbell2611
      @morecowbell2611 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      It's a standalone device. It will always work without having to upgrade Live. If you want new features specific to using it with Live, then yeah sure maybe you'll need to upgrade Live, but weren't you going to do that anyway if you like new stuff in Live?

  • @GrayedSchool
    @GrayedSchool 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ave .. i predict you’re gonna do another video once you learn the workflow… it’s a sampler! And a very powerful one

  • @TheFab_
    @TheFab_ 2 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    Akai mpc one with built in battery, speakers and mic input could be the DEFINITIVE standalone portable killer. Akai mark my words

  • @BlackGritsDoesIt
    @BlackGritsDoesIt 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    It's 449.00

    • @va941
      @va941 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      Nah, its trash!😂😂😂

    • @scottfarrell1906
      @scottfarrell1906 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      An absolute rip off.

    • @drindy5166
      @drindy5166 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      🔥😶🔥 Waste of cash

    • @AdamFiregate
      @AdamFiregate 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Competitive price to other Roland grooveboxes.

    • @BlackGritsDoesIt
      @BlackGritsDoesIt 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@AdamFiregate I hope Roland releases a much more updated version of the MC808.

  • @ThunderComplex
    @ThunderComplex 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    nah I'm complaining about the price. there's nothing really exciting about this and you have to go thru the cloud just to export your stuff that really blows.

    • @ChumpyDumps
      @ChumpyDumps 18 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      There is a program you can use as well. It’s not restricted to Ableton Cloud but Ableton Cloud (a free service by the way) makes it way easier.

  • @730productionsllc
    @730productionsllc 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’ll stick with Ableton Note. That’s what this is. Especially with the flexibility I have to add sounds directly to the app compared to this.

    • @huh274
      @huh274 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      This has like 50gb of user sample slots lol, plenty of flexibility and they will almost definitely add instruments in updates later

    • @730productionsllc
      @730productionsllc ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@huh274 yeah but for me if it doesn’t have iPad compatibility, I can’t move samples into it to use that 50 gigs. I would have to manually sample and I don’t have a computer so the Ableton Note works best for me

  • @MattPerrin
    @MattPerrin ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    If the OP1 and CircuitTracks had a baby... I get what they are going for, the same reasons why I bought a Tracks as my first groovebox, but the whole thing seems too restrictive.

  • @montanamaxxamillion
    @montanamaxxamillion 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Sticking to my launchpad mk3 at least it can be used with other programs. If the Move is like the Push you won’t be able to control anything else

  • @moistpeanut5986
    @moistpeanut5986 3 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    3:20 Stro Elliot is a finger drummer that uses Push. And he sounds way better than 99% of youtube finger drummers.

  • @JakeSweeper
    @JakeSweeper 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Ordered.
    Now I wonder where Akai Pro is that MPC Live Lite they hinted at how long ago?

  • @djfreaknique1587
    @djfreaknique1587 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    This move 449$ or a 30$ iPad app

    • @vinylselektaz6475
      @vinylselektaz6475 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      Or a standalone device with speaker and also can be used as a midi controller for your Koala App

  • @estevancarlos
    @estevancarlos ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    In some ways, this is better than the Push 3. Actually portable, still a sampler, a better price.

  • @X-101
    @X-101 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

    Just buy an ipad lol

    • @hectorhp8779
      @hectorhp8779 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      exactly!

  • @magentasound_
    @magentasound_ 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Seems cool, but compared with an iPad mini with ableton note, the price is a hard sell just for the tactility

  • @M.W.777
    @M.W.777 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I was also curious about the latency

  • @johnnymandez
    @johnnymandez 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Might be a dope combo with Koala Sampler.

  • @eastonwest7309
    @eastonwest7309 17 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    Live Intro slaps tbh you get crazy amounts of features for absolutely nothing.

  • @VJFranzK
    @VJFranzK 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    10:40 Agree on much of this. Built in mic is good! (There are also little speakers on it?) but the 1 audio-in is line level? which probably means it can't be used with an external mic, unless we have something to pre-amplify it

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Dude, where have you been? I haven’t seen you in a couple of years.

  • @DjangoFlaherty
    @DjangoFlaherty 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    For the price I can understand the Lite version of Live. For the price of Push 3 though, that seemed ridiculous.

  • @norenttv_
    @norenttv_ ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    You can plug a microphone into your mpc…

  • @montanamaxxamillion
    @montanamaxxamillion 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    @Ave it looks like low latency 32 samples looks like 3-4ms in 3-4ms out

  • @lebronsinclair8012
    @lebronsinclair8012 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I’m just waiting for digitakt 2 to get actual sample chopping…

  • @FSK1138
    @FSK1138 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    this is not for me $450 . that tiny lcd and no sample preview 😆 note is actually better

    • @eclipxe
      @eclipxe 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      There is sample preview

  • @soulchild-forever
    @soulchild-forever 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    $449 for this plus $439 for full version of Ableton (if you don’t already have it) equals a diabolical $888 plus tax 😂

  • @krazywabbit
    @krazywabbit 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Good take. Gear releases have not been inspirational to me of late when I look at my toys.
    For others, if it gets you to move, cool. Just don't couch it too long.

  • @millyhunter
    @millyhunter 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Yeah I definitely agree that this product is for more of those who are using a low budget and want to get into standalone. But this is for straight beginners, maybe a class of the new gen could use these, but it's not offering enough for me personally, who already has the push 3 standalone. So really for those who couldn't afford the push 3.

    • @morecowbell2611
      @morecowbell2611 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Or who want something much lighter/smaller/more portable. Push 3 is quite the unit to carry around :)

    • @millyhunter
      @millyhunter ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@morecowbell2611 Right, but then it's not as capable as the push 3. So then you might as well get a midi controller for cheaper and just control your daw

  • @brainbox9219
    @brainbox9219 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I sold practically all my hardware and streamlined down to just Ableton with a couple midi controllers, the reasoning is for stuff like this, just would be a waste of money tbh, if I decide to buy hardware, has to be a synth, I’m over samplers and groove boxes, I am intrigued by mpc 37 key but that’s because it’s basically a hardware soft synth lol

  • @zonashi8645
    @zonashi8645 2 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    I personally would rather have the polyend tracker because It offers a different way to compose. I have ableton already lol. If I want ableton on the move I’ll just pick my laptop up and go.

  • @signas9896
    @signas9896 36 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    I honestly think ableton made this to compete with Akai and it's mpc live line. I won't bother mentioning maschine mikro since you still need apc for that. But while i like the concept, 4 tracks is very limited. If your using this to sketch a track before working on it in your main daw, i could see the appeal. But to be quite honest, this is gonna have a limited audience. Worst case scenario is people buying this as an alternative solution to buying a push 3 or even a push 2 will be sorely disappointed if that's their purpose for buying this.

  • @cresshead
    @cresshead 4 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    get the ios phone version - ableton note -
    '''same thing'' $9.99
    double the number of tracks - 8 not 4
    better U.i., cheaper - even if you buy a 64gb ipad.

  • @norenttv_
    @norenttv_ 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I thought ableton link worked over WiFi

  • @ricardomilice2470
    @ricardomilice2470 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    How you gonna have 4 Track tho. If Aki Force made a a smaller version It would kill this.

  • @knewkid404
    @knewkid404 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Novice beat maker here. Whats a good upgrade for the EP-133? I’m killing it on that thing but I can see myself needing well…more space eventually. Would this be that upgrade? I just want a more powerful standalone at a reasonable price.

    • @kwesijohnson1411
      @kwesijohnson1411 14 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      If you want more "space", this seems maybe the opposite what you want. Move seems like one of those "self-consciously self-limiting" kind of things, especially the 4 tracks. Like, for people who use ableton DAW already and want in addition something consciously limited for creative reasons. Lots of alternatives, eg Roland Verselab gets good reviews, but you just gotta read throught the reviews and make your best pick.

  • @djpoetic28
    @djpoetic28 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Isn't push made by akai

  • @paulheartsongs
    @paulheartsongs 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    PUSH pads have always been bad. I couldn’t work with them at all.

  • @amosluyk
    @amosluyk 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    To me, this is a great way to get the amazing MPE pads from Push, a simpler controller for Live, and a portable groovebox for fun and DJ duties.
    I want one :)

    • @itsdrawkcab5899
      @itsdrawkcab5899 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      It looks really fun and quick to use as well! Just wanted to point out, it does have polyphonic aftertouch, but not MPE as far as im aware. You can't do those pad articulations, or pitch slides to different pads as on the Push 3 which has MPE.

    • @GrayGhostDog1
      @GrayGhostDog1 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      It does not have MPE pads...

    • @amosluyk
      @amosluyk 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@GrayGhostDog1 you’re kidding!?! Damn. I just assumed they were the push pads. Not for me then 😐

    • @GrayGhostDog1
      @GrayGhostDog1 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@amosluyk … well, in its defense at least the pads are POLYPHONIC after-touch…

  • @hiddentechno8266
    @hiddentechno8266 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Did you still struggle using the Ableton pads after tweaking the sensitivity? The default setting is pretty insensitive

  • @MartinMartin-xm8xs
    @MartinMartin-xm8xs 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Looks "ok"
    personally it screams circuit rhythm, that's not necessary a bad thing it at the same time it's not gonna be for me... No Gas Here 😂

  • @samuelmccann3008
    @samuelmccann3008 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    What do you think AKAI’s next move will be?

    • @DanielIvan707
      @DanielIvan707 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Hopefully new portable Force with battery and speaker.

    • @samuelmccann3008
      @samuelmccann3008 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@DanielIvan707 I think that could happened. The only way they would replace the MPC One + and the live 2 is if they give it the new models more Ram a tilted screen and the microphone feature. Also the MPC one + with a battery. But, I can see them making a smaller Live to compete with the 404 and this Push Move.

  • @avace917
    @avace917 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I have an MPC One Plus, so I wouldn't need this at all. I was curious about this though just to see. It's definitely interesting but as you and others have said, 4 tracks is wild at this price point b

  • @jghosttheconscious
    @jghosttheconscious 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    We don’t like the push 3 but this not bad . But they got Ableton note app. So why make this?

    • @morecowbell2611
      @morecowbell2611 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Because the pads are a huge step up from a touch screen, and it gets a lot of Push 3's functionality while being much lighter and portable, and costing considerably less.

  • @mightycyber8492
    @mightycyber8492 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I personally think the Push 3 standalone pads are the best, I have both Maschinen plus and MPC live for comparison

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      🧢

    • @petercastle4381
      @petercastle4381 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Korg Padkontrol best pads ever.

    • @mafiamusicfamily
      @mafiamusicfamily 14 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      @@mightycyber8492 I agree

  • @carlosp.1846
    @carlosp.1846 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    64gb of samples for 4 tracks…. 🤦🏻‍♂️ no MPE pads.. no thanks

  • @marcadonna_beats
    @marcadonna_beats 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Nah…to expensive.
    😅

  • @XanderEwald
    @XanderEwald 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Way too limited for the price.

    • @DJRossNoir
      @DJRossNoir 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Agreed. Not really exciting either.

  • @bigtony7807
    @bigtony7807 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    This one plus elektron stuff = imba otg

  • @blackngrey4real
    @blackngrey4real 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Nah. I’m sticking with what I have.

  • @Jkeane1337
    @Jkeane1337 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    It doesnt seem that exceptional in any real way for me personally. The price is pretty good but every sound coming out of the thing was boring as hell, prob have to listen to more demos

  • @VolterSvainber
    @VolterSvainber 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    450USD=Ipad 2022+Drambo...😅

  • @HoldMyBeerFam
    @HoldMyBeerFam 15 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    My vape has a better screen! Geekvape Pulse for the win! I gotta throw it away soon, wonder what Ill do with this

  • @trendtrader4010
    @trendtrader4010 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Dont fall for it buy this and in 8 months Move plus for $1099 😂😂

  • @dextersimmons6020
    @dextersimmons6020 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    These little screens on everything is trash

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      It’s better than no screen

  • @miaesesawarren9033
    @miaesesawarren9033 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Harris Karen Thomas David Brown Sarah

  • @RevIsnot
    @RevIsnot 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    vanilla

  • @Reggi_Sample
    @Reggi_Sample 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Roland P6 > this. At half price

  • @djgeorgieporgie7862
    @djgeorgieporgie7862 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Thumbs up gang we here 👍

  • @BlackGritsDoesIt
    @BlackGritsDoesIt 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    👀👈🏿

  • @HNIC00
    @HNIC00 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Stop talking my guy

  • @tee2008j
    @tee2008j ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    My Hot Take 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎😂

  • @donwilliams5339
    @donwilliams5339 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    It only has 4 tracks 😑🙄