Engines Have Knightmares Too | AlphaZero vs Stockfish
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Nimzo Indian Defense: Hubner Variation (E41)
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 c5 5. Bd3 Nc6 6. Nf3 Bxc3+ 7. bxc3 d6 8. e4 h6 9. e5 dxe5 10. Nxe5 cxd4 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. O-O dxc3 13. Ba3 Qc7 14. Qf3 Rb8 15. Bc5 e5 16. Rfe1 Be6 17. Qg3 Nh5 18. Qe3 Nf4 19. Bc2 f6 20. h4 Qa5 21. Rab1 Kf7 22. g3 Qxa2 23. Qe4 Qxc4 24. Qxc6 Nd3 25. Rxb8 Rxb8 26. Qc7+ Kg6 27. Bxd3+ Qxd3 28. Qxb8 Bd5 29. Kh2 c2 30. Qb2 a5 31. Qc1 a4 32. Qe3 Qxe3 33. fxe3 Kf5 34. Kg1 Ke4 35. Kf2 Be6 36. Ke2 Bg4+ 37. Kd2 Bd1 38. Rf1 f5 39. Rf2 g6 40. Ba3 Bg4 41. Kxc2 Kxe3 42. Bc5+ Ke4 43. Kd2 g5 44. Bf8 f4 45. gxf4 gxf4 46. Ke1 Be6 47. Rd2 Kf5 48. Rd8 48... h5 49. Bd6 e4 50. Rf8+ Kg6 51. Rxf4
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Alpha: *E4*
Agad: A very nice move by alpha taking control of the d5 and f5 square but also threatening mate in 127 and what do you do here as black? You could go E5 but that would lose you the game immediately. So, this is move 1 and in this position, Stockfish.. resigned..the..game.
Congratulations, you are an excellent commentator!
hahahahah!
Best comment ever
We are getting closer and closer to "solving" the game of chess as a single puzzle: "White to move and win". Either there is a solution to this, or, if not, then the "puzzle" would be, against each of the 12 possible first moves by white: "Black to move and draw".
you cant not read this in agadamators voice!
If I had the money I would hire two actors (with *very* good memories) to go into a chess club and play a few games from this match-up. Hidden cameras would record spectators' reactions.
It`d be way easier to give them some sort of hints. Like notes in the phones, small papers they could look into unnoticed, etc., so they would have to memorize only the late game when possibly some attention is already drawn
Haha :D
Lol yeah just have Magnus and Nakamura there to observe
I would very much love to see that, that look when you are confident with your moves is quite a feat to witness.
People wouldn’t even understand the moves
I have recently rediscovered chess because of this channel. Today I went to a local chessclub for the first time, I got crushed in 3 games but didnt make a fool of myself. Really hyped to improve now, let the studies begin :D
Haha, that was entertaining to read :) Good luck ! Have fun
had the exact same experience yesterday! first time at a club - this channel is hugely responsible for my interest (obsession?) and improvement in chess. also: two of the people i played with were also subscribers! agadmator ftw.
sounds like an excellent club
mhsiggm8
How's it going
Please stop forcing Stockfish into games with Alpha, or it will start developing depression
Stockfish: This is literally the reason I was created and I can't even"
But stockfish can't develop anything against Alpha
@@yougetonthathorseyougottar6126 The worst part is that alpha wasn't even created specifically for chess. It simply happens to also play chess x) But one of the impressing feature of alphazero is that it could learn multiple games and not only go (since it was based on alphago).
@@Laezar1 really!! How interesting! Thanks for the info friend
to be fair that is stockfish 8 not stockfish 9
Last day of work before christmas tomorrow, treating myself a little extra with an Agadmator-marathon
I find myself analyzing most of the games for an hour or more.
Wow.. take it easy tiger.
@@kaylinpillay2313 :) I'm retired........what else am I going to do while it's too cold to play golf?
You really know how to have a good time.
Agadmator please show us a game with alpha zero as black I want to see how it takes advantage and crushes with the black pieces
Agree ... Alpha zero with white seems unfair ... How does stronger engine react to a challenge!
Maybe if alpha played the strongest version of stockfish, then it would be a fair fight
these games are old, thats why its not stockfish 10. the paper was recently published though thats why everyone has access to the games and i think there a are few stockfish 9 games though
I don't think stockfish 8 or 10 would make a significant difference
@@renardfurieux ofc it would, this stockfish is playing black and losing, and usually not by a lot. A stronger version would help allot
#suggestion Efim Geller - Vasily Smyslov, Candidates Quarterfinal (1965), Game 5: Quadruple queen sacrifice by Geller
Stockfish disliked this video.
Ya from future
Every time I watch a game between Stockfish and AlphaZero I feel like I’m watching another episode of Black Mirror. The crushing inevitably of Alpha slowly constricting poor Stockfish and Stockfish trying in vain to escape is depressing.
Nice to see your channel grow. I've played chess from 6 to 14 years old, when my teacher had to move back to Argentina. Slowly but surely my passion for chess was diminishing until at last it vanish completely. 2017 and 2018 wasn't my best years so far and in early this year I've found your channel, no idea how, and my passion for chess has rekindle and also helped me couple better with depression. Thank you so much for sharing your passion, you've helped me a lot :)
Same here Rafael! I have suffered from SAD. Taking high doses of vitamin D and enjoying agadamator chess is the cure!
No amount of pixels shall stop me from watching agad's videos. Also, video uploaded 8 minutes ago and has a dislike already, sad
Omg a heart
What is there to not like? I don't understand how anyone could do that on purpose - maybe an accidental click on the wrong button?
@@maxnullifidian It's next to impossible to click dislike on a laptop/pc. Maybe on a tablet/phone but even so, it's hardly unlikely.
Florin Buffon it was probably stockfish
@@striga5807 And it was in this moment that Stockfish disliked the video
@@nirolf12 or rather, did not like the video in a certain amount of time.
Stockfish: "I'll try moving this pawn up"
Alpha: "Don't" *puts queen towards rook*
Stockfish: *moves rook*
Alpha: "fine, I'll do it myself" *blocks with bishop*
I like these AlphaZero vs Stockfish games ! Keep up the good work :-)
When I play chess and my king side pawn structure is ruined
Me: oh god I need to play this precisely otherwise I will lose this game
Alpha: wow new open file
Aristotle was misattributed that quote, Will Durant said it while commenting on Aristotle's thoughts in his book ‘The Story of Philosophy.' It's an excellent quote, however.
This is what Aristotle more accurately said, "As it is not one swallow or a fine day that makes a spring, so it is not one day or a short time that makes a man blessed and happy.” And later, “these virtues are formed in man by his doing the right actions.”
Will Durant used those two ideas to create the quote in question from Aristotle's thoughts but the bigger name accidentally stole the credit.
Thanks for this lad
2 years later this information served me well
Thank you
13:10 why wouldnt rook capture queen?
Edit: if rook takes queen, checkmate in 1. - RxQc6 Rf8#
No one would fall for that
@@feliciasin2230 fall for what?
I was wondering the same thing and thanks for explaining
@@feliciasin2230 M8 most of us are just learning, we aren't as pro as u
I dont get it
I love the stockfish fanboys in the comments, it's just a chess engine dudes not a fair maiden in distress. Keep up the good work Agadmator!
it's more fun to cheer for the underdog
" here alpha played a new move and it's e5"
wait a minute ! ... i played this move many times .. how rude that database don;t have my brilliancy!!
If you are wondering why the black rook can't capture the white queen at 13:10 that's because Rf8 would be checkmate
Thank you
I am starting to think that AlphaZero hacked the package delivery system, to delay Capablanca book.
Those Alpha vs. Stockfish games shown here are always really exciting and spectacular! When I've seen one I'm already looking forward to the next one!
Alpha Zero keeps making sushi out of Stockfish.
13:06 why not capturing the Queen with the rock? Seems like stockfish would win
Mahdi Valiyev yea saw that too. Think agad blundered there. Looked through comments if someone realized it as well
Capturing the queen with the rook is a blunder because Rf8 will be checkmate. The g6 square is guarded by the bishop.
Rf8 Checkmate
Mahdi Valiyev im dumb lol nvm
W8 I'm assuming you guys mean after rook captures queen, then rb8 captures rook, and then whatever black plays, rf8 is checkmate, but what about rook capturing bishop on c5 after queen captures? Then no checkmate?
This AI (her, she, or other nomenclature) seems to love constricting her opponents development. She is so good at it that it becomes totally obvious that this strategy is really productive, even at material expense, (she is not going to 'overlook' tactical spongs that us humans have to endure) that if only we could actually perceive her depth at this tactic we'd be halfway good at this damn game.
Yeah! Its like she captures pieces without having to capture
It's amazing how alpha just laughs at free pawns and continues to torture stockfish.
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I am the best !
Then play Stockfish 10 at full power (with all opening books and whatnot).
i, for one, welcome our new artificial intelligence overlord. if i may be of service, just speak.
@@xCorvus7x Stockfish is good .. Alpha is Greatest.
Stockfish have been programmed by human, while Alpha have been programming itself a million times faster.
@@Vivungisport The A0 should easily handle the best form of Stockfish there is.
δτ It can
wow, so early the high quality didn't even get properly initialized yet
I really enjoy your commentary. You do a great job cramming a lot of information and variations into the discussion without losing me (which is saying a lot!) I feel I get a glimpse of how a very strong chess player thinks. Thanks for sharing that.
This shows the difference of knowledge vs intelligence where Stockfish is knowledge and may know many positions and can see much further ahead and AlphaZero is intelligent and can understand the mechanics of where pieces are and how that relates to strategy.
Cant you switch the meaning of both therms and the phrase is still coherent?
Agadmator, thank you so much for analysing these games. As a chess enthusiast with an interest in AI, it's so incredible to see these games. Engine vs. engine games are usually somewhat dull and opaque, yet these are sharp and exciting.
@16:55 "Bishop to FF" Yeah, its time to forfeit stockfish!
dear agadmator,
first off, thanks for bringing chess back into my life! I enjoy your videos a lot!
now i could do some research, but i think its okay to rely on the vast knowledge of all the wonderful subscribers and you, of course:
-can you say how many grandmasters there are in the world?
-how many grandmasters (or chess players) can afford a living through playing chess?
-what does it take to become a grandmaster?
-more or less, how much money do the top 10 chess players make through tournament winnings or similar?
thanks for taking your time!
cheers from germany
#suggestion alexander alekhine vs efim bogoljuebov, 1921, The triple queen sacrifice.
A double gambit - this is absolutely amazing! I remember some 5 years ago an engine (I forgot which) surprisingly played an unorthodox gambit and got a great position for the pawn with the opposite pieces rendered "mere spectators" (the words of the commentator). In the meantime, until Alpha Zero appeared on the scene, I think that didn't happen much (sb. correct me).
Supercomputer games are just cool. I want to be able to actually see how the game is evolving because of them, but considering idk where it came from I'm not exactly sure how it's changing lol. Your videos are great because you have the knowledge to both understand these moves but also you can still be amazed by them, which is great to see. It's funny, I like both your pogchamps breakdowns and your supercomputer breakdowns.
It's all fun and games until Alphazero ALLOWS Stockfish to win out of sympathy.
alpha make things too heard at the end , I really enjoy it thank you so much
Your content is amazing. Keep up the good work. Cheers and Marry Christmas!
The line I want to hear from Agad:
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Here Alpha Zero Resigned The Game..
can you imagine the brilliancy the next generation of chess computers will have?
We will not hear such a line for a very long time. And I'm okay with that. Watching Alpha Zero demolish everything is fun.
"My bishop pair will always bring about your destruction."
--AlphaZero
Beautiful lesson and demonstration thank you very much
Knight to d7 at 3:34 threatens the bishop at C5 to make space for the C6 pawn. I plugged this into the engine on lichess and it also suggested this move. Strange that this wasn't mentioned
15. Bc5
That was brilliant... Using one piece to basically tie up all the queen-side pieces
I am eagerly waiting for the moment when you'll get 1 million subscribers!
Congratulations in Advance .
Hes close now
@@user-tw2mr7pr9g lol
Alpha kinda feels like a big brother to me, beating all the older kids that were bullying me all these years. Thanks man.
I like your AlphaZero vids the most. It's because of your videos a year that I became a fan of AlphaZero!!
6:18 - I felt my pulse quicken when I saw c3 pawn tried to move directly to e1 to become a queen
"sorry about that" . My favorite part of every video
Amazing game, & I've been watching every video on your channel. Do you play in tournaments often?
2:09 this position is similar to the one I had against my friend
I never knew TH-cam did this.. i had to subscribe again, but i watch almost every video
That Aristotle quote is painted on the wall in my band room at school
AlfaZero shows real beauty of the game of chess. What I love most is the long term strategic decisions - sacrificing pawns and the compensation comes like more than 20 moves after that. Its incredible to "think" that far. It shows real human-based "thinking" only with the machine precision. I can admire Magnus and others but this is a different league and the games are not boring because of that human element of thinking alfa possess.
What I also like is that it proves to me in full nudity that Stockfish is nothing more than a calculator - counting pawns and material and so on. Yes no man can beat this but its only because human brain cannot compete with the calculator but the creativity is not there. AlfaZero, on the other hand, shows creativity so far unseen within the machines. It is fascinating but also scary how capable this AI already is. In bad hands or with bad orders agains human kind that would be no fun. Not even MacGyver would be able to solve this.
@7:24 who said only Knights can be excellent blocking pieces? Beautiful!
Haha the people asked for the smiley faced pillow to come back , and you give the people what they want lol. Good man.
I like the moment when it comes naturally and you say 'sorry about that'... So please don't fix it otherwise I am gonna miss this...
nice video thanks. What is the name of the chess program you use ?
As a Greek, the quote of Aristotle makes me very proud and people can realize that his philosophical view is something that can be used for multiple objects.Even chess.
The way A0 marginalizes bishops is making it look like we have been overvaluing bishops all these years.
on the flip side tho, a lot of these games demonstrate that a0 values its own bishops quite a lot. perhaps it's not the piece itself, but what you do with it that makes the difference.
This is definitely the best chess channel on the planet, and maybe even in the Universe! Merry Christmas! :)
around ten minutes mark, I started to think: this is just a challenge between computers. the stronger will win. these moves simply surpass our immediate understanding. it is interesting and at the same time useless. unless your opponent is a caruana, I mean, a computer ...
1650 new subs in one day? OMG. PewDiePie look out!
I found the bishop c5 move but didnt realise how good it really was until you explained it. I was quite proud that i made such a good move without knowing it. XD
13:18 Knight to D5? Maybe it's my headache, but I can't figure out why this move isn't being considered?
Maybe because of rook to b7+ rxb7 qxb7+ kg8 qb8+ kf7 and qxh8 probably not sure if this is the best but i at least get and exchange
*One of the few games*
Where Alpha kind of struggles
Would like to know what line prevents Knight f4-e2? QxK looses b5 bishop, RxK leaves Rb1 hanging, and moving the queen lets Be6xc4, grabbing a pawn, with threats of Qxa2 then Rb2 dominating the queen side even if the knight eventually must be sacrificed, the c3 pawn becomes irresistible.
17:38 Woopity scoop
#suggestion paul morphy vs Tasillo von der Lasa
Sounds interesting. Did they really play a game? I didn't find any in a database, but AFAIK Tassilo von der Heydebrand und der Lasa retired from active chess in 1853, which is before Paul Morphys trip to Europe (1858/59), when Morphy played against Anderssen, Löwenthal, Bird and others, while Staunton denied playing him. I doubt (but cannot exclude) they played in the US.. I know as well that von der Lasa was one of the greatest chess players esepecially in the early 1850 years, e.g. defeating Staunton in a match in 1853..
D3rL30p4rd i think so. i think i heard something about it
What engine do you use for your videos?
At 13:10, just after white Rxb8, why doesn't black Rxc6 instead of Rxb8, eliminating the white queen, and saving the fork that loses the second rook. Am I missing something?
next move, white rook to F8... Checkmate
@@davidsteele4246 Thanks
13:09 I am missing something or white after b8 should loose Queen...?
If black captures the queen, rook to f8 is checkmate for white
@@UnknownMagician93 yup...you are right...thx
I think I'm in love with Alpha Zero
Halfway through the next video, I want to see you shake your head and utter the line “and here, AlphaZero blunders”.
What happens everytime when you say "Sorry about that" and bend down? It happens in almost every video if not all of them lol
He turns down the sound, so there is no echo on the pieces moving. He has tried very hard to remember doing that before the videos. He once explained that he turns of the sound, preparing for the video but then someone sends him something he wants to watch so he turns it up again and starts recording with the sound on
@@Krmpfpks You are an excellent subscriber sir
@@Krmpfpks Thanks mate. I've been wondering about that for almost a month now 😅
@@Krmpfpks I never here the difference when agad turns the sound down.
Termiie the difference depends on the volume. But even if it is loud, it is not that big of a problem. But maybe there where some other excellent subscribers a little bit to eager in pointing out the sound quality. Anyway Antonio is the best.
God that moment the bishop move to C5 I immediately understood the title, engines do indeed have nightmares.
Whats better than Christmas with agadmator? I tell ya, nothing.
We make the machines fight for us like this...imagine what they will make us do when they're in power
Thanks for a very interesting video! :)
Nice chess channel. I really enjoyed your analysis on chess games.
One thing I don't like about your videos is that seeing you fixing that mic in some videos. I hope you make a note on your desk reminding you to fix the mic before making videos.
Are there Thirts with a quote about the Evans gambit?
Thank you aga, i just won my school chess tournament and i am only playing for about 3 months.
Your videos are the best
#suggestion Euwe vs Lasker 1934 Zurich. Queen sacrifice on the board.
I love how AlphaZero’s picture is a powerful brain thinking, and Stockfish 8 is just some crappy fish. Lol, it’s still a top chess engine! It made me laugh.
Antonio!
How about chess analysis from a board? I'm pretty sure you have a board in your home and you could rearrange your setup to make this possible.
I'm pretty sure it would be AWESOME!
Kind regards from Brazil.
Hi I'm new to chess. Which chess app is being used in the video?
At 13:10 maybe you should've explained why black can't take the queen. Cuz of the mate on f8
It sacrifices pawns , forces the opponent to lose an exchange or a piece entirely , heads into the endgame , and demonstrates that a piece is better than 2 or 3 extra pawns.
Has Stockfish ever beat Alpha Zero in a game that was not begun with openings predetermined?
No
At 10:31, obviously he will capture the rook w/ the bishop so jist capture the bishop with your queen continue your knight E2 after he captures your queen with the rook and your up a whole knight
One day Stockfish would say that he does not want to play with AlphaZero!
Move 47 "stockfish is still trying"
Move 48 "stockfish decided to resign"
I remember when you said, "If I keep on analyzing computer games, we will stop appreciating human games." That was when the first 12 AlphaZero games were released
Question about this version of Stockfish. How does it compare with the version of Stockfish on Lichess? I play Stockfish there every day on its level 5, I on white always, and avoid defeat at most 1 time in 10. Is there any comparison between the Stockfish in this video and the one on Lichess?
The engine that you play against on Lichess when you select "play with the computer" is not Stockfish, its "Fairy-Stockfish", an engine derived from Stockfish designed to support multiple chess variants.
And even when you select the level 8 it's very limited. If I recall correctly it's limited to 1 second of thinking and 22 depth.
@@-zelda- I appreciate your taking the time to explain that to me, because I'd been trying to get an explanation of what "Fairy Stockfish" is and how it relates to the supercomputer Stockfish. So it's a dumbed-down version. If you find it easy to beat, you must be pretty darned good! I've been playing several games a day on level 5 for two years and am stalled there, winning or drawing half my games (and always playing white). Its knight play is astounding, if I don't remove both of its knights within 15 moves I'm going to take an L for sure. It easily breaks through defensive positions I thought were impregnable.
It does have one blatant flaw, which accounts for nearly all my wins. It doesn't worry enough about my passed pawns until it's too late. By the time it realizes it's in deep trouble, it's so late that it has to give up a piece to prevent the passed pawn from queening. Then I just trade down and queen multiple pawns. It's also obsessed with taking any undefended pawn or piece, and I've learned that if I deliberately leave an inessential pawn or piece undefended, it will go after those pieces singlemindedly while I am pushing my pawn to the 7th rank. My wins all follow the same formula, capitalizing on these two inherent flaws.
One other flaw is that it is overly aggressive for Black. Sure, many games its aggression cleans my clock. But on many occasions we have a very closed position that is an obvious draw, and it insists on sacrificing a pawn or even a piece to open it back up. But those aren't the type of sacrifices throw the other side into a deadly trap. It's a pointless sacrifice, giving up material simply to open up a drawn game. I've won lots of games against it by locking the position down in trench warfare, and once it hands me the material advantage then I just trade down to the endgame.
So it has its flaws, but it does detect the minutest of weaknesses that I didn't even realize existed. And its knight play is better than any human I've ever played.
I got a Redbull Chess commercail for this video. Very fitting
18:26 a most remarkable pawn propositon
I havent watched the video yet but im sure it will be AMAZING!
Hello, im wondering why it isnt possible to bring the Knight from f3 to d5 so it guards the queen check at c7 ?
After black plays Rc8, white needs to move Rb7+. The took capture you show would allow blank to take the white queen, right?
Queen E5 for black on move 12! then you can move your knight to a central position and move the rook
at 13:20 why Nd3 and not Nd5? It would take the c7 square from black or am I missing a tactic?
Yes, white will play Rb7+ and force the gaining of materials. If black plays Rxb7, white can respond with Qxb7+ and forcing the king to the back rank and white will skewer the rook with Qb8+
Thanks.