You're not too far off which is amazing to think about. Imagine laying one of the Twin Towers on its side, putting a huge diesel in it, and adding a wheel. I was wondering something though- I didn't see the bow thruster being used. It looked as if he started his turn out of the channel just a bit late. He was hard over I'm sure the way the stern was swinging around.
Wait you guys all think the captain, or even any of his crew drive this ship?? Nope, usually specialized maritime pilots who know the local waters do this. In open waters it's the captain (and his subordinate) who controls the ship.
@@Biffo1262 I was wondering the same thing, he since he didn’t steer soon enough to get back under it. I wonder why he didn’t use his bow thruster to help kill the slide from the turn.
@@Blah67 Dude sleeps on couch tonight... Hope your wife ain't on YT......LOL. but Brent laugh,, ride with my Japanese wife sometime. she turns on the wipers and the truck goes off the road and into the berm.
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Not really a “grounding”... I’d say it’s an allision. Allisions happen when a ship strikes a static object - a pier, dock, etc., where as a grounding means the ship struck the bottom due to draft vs water depth.
@@seapappy9183 Heck no, I am surprised they have not killed some of their own pot smokin zombie hippy crew. Why their opposition does not hose them with offal has me wondering.
It's amazing to see the Presque Isle now because I was on the lakes in 77-78 and remember seeing her then. I worked on the Belle River in 78 which was also a 1000 footer.
@C R Page 30 section VI "Urine test for blood alcohol levels is unacceptable." www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/NMC/pdfs/drug_testing/employers_drug_testing_guide-2009.pdf But I do stand corrected, no blood test for drugs.
@@grasscutter88 I don't know if you've ever seen a ship use its bow thrusters before, but when they are underway, they're not as effective as you would think. If you are stationary they work great, but if you have any kind of way on, they do not work that well. The screws aren't far enough apart to be able to use differential thrust either
The scrapes are from entering and departing the locks at Sault Ste Marie. You heave lines to workmen and tie the ship while raising and lowering. Also from tiring up at a dock where you pull the vessel with winches forward and aft for loading and unloading
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That's like a professional "Momback" in trucking. ::::Waves hands frantically:::: "MOMBACK! MOMBACK! KEPPUH COMIN'! MOMBACK! ;;;;Creeeunch;;;;; "OK! STOP!"
IF I was those Onlookers ..I Wouldn't be Getting up close to Gawk .... That Breakwater Wall and Pier could have easily become Crushed with that 65000 TONS of Cargo striking that Wall !! The Hull is at the 30 FOOT marker as well ! WOW
Never understood how someone could maneuver such a wide and very long behemoth of a ship! Better yet, it was my cousin who made this video, I knew the dude was a master photographer but he's really impressed me now!
The key thing to understand, and one of the other comments referred to this, is you only have the ability to steer the ship while there's substantial water going across the rudder at the back of the ship. If you slow down, the ship will just start going where it wants to, often being driven by the wind. In this case if you still had rudder control, all it could do is push the ship closer to the dock. The bowof the ship is a thousand feet in front of you and it's not going to easily move back out into the channel.
@@Wildstar40 wow I've been around lake ship while being loaded ,and they sit so tall in the water ! It's hard to imagine it could handle rough water sitting that low? Do you know why he hit the pier ?
I've driven past all the behemoths that delivered to USS GARY WORKS, close up, and I don't think I will ever not be impressed by their size. Amazing vessels
@@nicholaspratt7934 incorrect in two ways. A single-ship crash is not a "collision." A collision is between two or more ships all under way. When it is just a single ship under way it is called an "allision." Look it up. Anyhow, this vessel never touched the wall here. It grounded in the very shallow water near the side of the canal, a mere few feet from the wall, but it never touched the bulkhead. If you want to try and correct somone who lives and works on the water 24/7 at least brush up on your nautical terms. It's embarrassing.dude.
Reading about the Big Fitz recently, it was said that minor scrapes and bangs often occurred with the Great Lakes freighters, including guard rail loss, etc. This helps me understand the bow of the Presque Isle even before this abutment-kissing maneuver. Thank you for the great footage!
The ship got clear of the wall and then circled outside the harbor entrance for a while before coming back in - probably for inspection. 36hrs later it went to Gary or Indiana harbor - south Lake Michigan. It then returned to Superior and as far as I can tell is still moored there. Maybe the damage was more severe than originally thought and/or more extensive repairs are necessary.
@@jacobmccandles1767 Thrusters (rather what appears to be a single bow thruster in this case) won't do anything for you at that speed; especially loaded down to her marks.
She doesn’t have bow thrusters. Just looked her up on MarineTraffic, and there are no bow thruster logos on the bow. Not surprising since she was built in 1973.
A ship that size will have no use of bowthrusters. They'll be ineffective. Although it should have been accompanied by tug boats till it clears breakwater. Plus it should not have been manoeuvring at such high speed especially when making a turn. Probably got sucked to the sidewall due to banking effect.
Actually the scrapes are from entering and departing the locks at the soo. And it seems as the vessel lost one or both of the mirrless blackstone engines which in turn rendered the thrusters and steering gear non operational. Happens more than you think. But happens more while underway rather than in maneuvering.
I love how there’s multiple videos of the ship , crashing into things and beaching itself..... One of my favorite comments in one of the other videos “it’s like the swift of the Great Lakes”
Haha I just had it in my recommended to watch, and I just looked under the video to see other videos of this ship crashing as you said! Haha perhaps the crew are attempting to get in the Guinness World Records for ‘most crashed ship’?
Could not have been Swift. There trucks were made in Mexico, sat on lot and in shop. Alternator, starter, multiple starting issues about 12 to 15 years ago.
Samonator65...looks like somebody needs a remedial course in 5th grade geography. There is no Duluth in Wisconsin, nor in Nova Scotia. At least he didn’t guess Duluth, Georgia, which is nowhere near a major body of water... 😂
Captain: 1) Somebody gave me decaffeinated this morning. 2) The sun was in my eyes. 3) My bow watchman wasn't. 4. The lighthouse looked a lot closer than it was, but I got pretty close wouldn't you say?
@@keithnichols7926 Ever heard of currents? If a ship is even a little outside dead-ahead a current can act with increasing intensity of leverage the longer the vessel.
As others have said: this is an allision with the sea wall. Running aground would mean the required draft exceeded the available depth. This was pretty good ship handling to bring it to a stop that quickly once the Capt realized he had lost control. A couple pulses on the bow thruster and they will be on their way.
Peter Saar markings on the bow show a bow thruster. Likely the bow thruster engine was not running. Generally there’s a large diesel in the bow to power the bow thruster.
what is causing that horrible noise? the bottom scraping the ground, the hull along the quai, or simply the whole boat and all its spars bending until they break?
Crikey! I never thought I'd never see the Aerial Bridge again & I'm not being funny about the near miss incident 😂 I did a summer stint at Camp Millar in 89 I think as a Camp Councillor & on our days off we'd spend time up in Duluth & hang out down at the Bridge. Great memories of Minnesota! Love from NZ 💗✌
@@DouglasEdward84 to me running aground is the equivalent to fetching up, aka bottoming out i shallow water. I would consider this a collision. I've rubbed the dock with my boat before but I never called it running aground.
@@kaburgess69 Ins't crashing into a pier or dock referred to as an Allision and not a Collision? Since it's fixed? Edit: This is all very pedantic on my part admittedly.
There is a little bit of a current in the canal. If yer not lined up straight with the canal. It can be very difficult to get through the canal. The captain of the Tregurtha says making the turn to go through the canal is the worst of the great lakes.
Jeff Heins...probably true, but a competent, experienced Great Lakes captain or mate is supposed to be able to make the difficult maneuvers as well as the easy ones. And you don’t get to be captain of the Presque Isle by not being thoroughly familiar with the handling characteristics of your vessel and the peculiarities of the major Great Lakes ports.
The Legend Lives On Around Old Duluth Town About the Laker that didn't make the Corner The canal bank never gives up her paint when the videos make TH-cam! As the thousand foots go she was rustier than most, with a crew tired of this nonsense. Coming to some terms with a BS firm, she had to make good time that morning. But entering the canal, there was a lot of fail and then the bump of Presque Isle!
She ran aground the first time Mar. 22, 2010. Seems like every 10 years the hull and the ground have an untimely meeting. I've often wondered what happened to Capt. Joseph Hazelwood when he lost his job as Capt. of the Exxon Valdez.
I think he found work as a gofer for the law firm that represented him. FWIW, he got railroaded a bit. Wasn't even at the helm at time of crash, and never was convicted of sh1t. Granted, he probably was sleeping it off, and company policy required him to personally handle the departure...but so many think he crashed a ship while drunk, and that's not it.
I was in the US Coast Guard on the Mackinaw breaking ice when we told the anderson to hold fast we hit a ridge of ice and was breaking through slowly damn thing his us in the ass I never seen so many rats jump over board ... not really but boy the crew sure did run!
@@insearchoftrance3590 Great Lakes boats don't use pilots. The captains are certified pilots for Great Lakes waters and ports. Pilots are only used for International ships coming in through the Seaway.
Speed looked a little high to use the thruster. Plus at that draft the thruster is probably not very effective. She was exiting so there is a fair run up to that turn, I certainly wouldn't have been using the thruster. Btw I am a pilot so this is a pretty good appraisal. I'm not sure what the depth of water is there. That might also have played a role, ships often don't turn well in shallow water.
You can hear the thruster running till it shits the bed at 1:30. You can see her take off towards the wall at that moment. It sounds like it comes back on maybe a minute later.
@@mrdumbfellow927 I didn't say he wasn't using it. Certainly in desperation one uses everything one has. By the time you resort to the thruster at that speed and draft you have used up all your options except the anchor (which would have made it worse). But at that draft, on that type of ship, the thruster cannot rescue you from a bad approach to the corner. All that said, there is not enough evidence here to get judgemental. I can see that turn on google earth but have never been round it or conned the ship in question so my opinion is just that, an opinion, and as we know every a-hole has one. Thats what pilots are really for, local knowledge. there, but for the grace of God............
ships of this size, have extreme long turning radius. so my bet is: 1. miss the turning point, but was pass the point of no return and since ships like these can travel several 100 meters before they manage to stop he probably just went for it, better to "remove some paint" than go hit head on! 2. Water current pushed the ship a little more than they was used to in this area. 3. wind. big ship with big flat sizes, wind can affect it a lot. There are videos on youtube of cruise ships hitting docks or each other due to the wind take hold of there big flate sides and the engine can't hold against it. In this situation, navigation trough narrow waterway, with a huge ships, a two tug to the front and rear is a must. It's normal seamanship, but some company are willingly to save money if they can. since this is an barge, it have an tug on the rear to push it. An barge doesn't have it own engines. but still there should be a tug in the front, specially on a windy day
I agree with heuhen. He should had been lined up straight before making way through narrow bridge with in coming tide. He was cocked over and that tide just grabbed him
@@heuhen Where do you get the idea this is a barge? Note the engines. Wind is less of a factor with a ship like this, low in the water, than with a high-sided cruise ship or container vessel.
@@KutWrite A barge can also have an engine, this one have for bow-thruster, for improved maneuver capability inside a dock. This is a bulk-barge that transporting mainly malm, sand, stone, etc. and they take very long time to load up, so instead of having a crew and ship waiting several hours, they just disconnect the barge, while it's loading and go pick up another barge that is already loaded, thus the crew have minimal down time, but instead of having two big ships with big thirsty engines, they have just one thirsty engine, saving a little here and there What you see here is a barge, with bowthruster, with a pusher-tug connected to it. I know a thing or two about ships, If you don't belive me, see these pictures: Here the same "Barge" that you see in the video: duluthshippingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/220801-326.jpg Here is the Barge, without the pusher-tug: www.boatnerd.com/pictures/fleet/thumb/presqueisle-02-or-(1).jpg and here is the pusher-tug itself: static.vesselfinder.net/ship-photo/7303877-367057570-4cb5a56340151fc10936513a13ea7c36/1
@@heuhen it's not a barge. It's an actual vessel. Barges are not self powered. This was and still under investigation. But common thought is piloting error via mis judging the turn. Happens a bit here in D town.
I'm surprised to see no tug boats assisting the vessel, since the vessel is loaded (the deep draft), the narrow channel, and the wind. The wheel symbol under the vessel's name means she has a bow thruster. Meaning the vessel can steer the bow to port(Left looking forward) or starboard(Right looking forward). When the bow thruster activates, you can normally see water churn in the opposite direction the vessel wants to steer. Possibly from the deep draft , as well, it can't be seen, or it's operation failed. Glad too see no spill occurred. I wish the video had panned back to the bridge to see the Captains reaction. Sending love from the coast of California to whoever reads my comment.
trnrbrnr Yes, if I were filling out a log or a report I would use that word, I used layman’s language for the benefit of those who don’t hold a USCG license as I do.
Some ships on the lakes hold records like longest ship, most tonnage hauled in a season or longest time in service. In the case of the Presque Isle it’s most time spent ashore....
Guessing the bow thruster wouldn't fire up. Seems it should have been a rudder move, but I kept expecting the thruster to come in and save the day, not ro mention some paint.
I could be wrong, but I think the thruster malfunctioned. If you listen from the start to 1:30 it gets quiet. Like there was a diesel engine running, then it shuts off. I could be wrong but I think that's the thruster shutting down.
I thought the same thing and I would hope any captain would use it if it was working properly, either way I wouldn't want to be in his shoes explaining this one.... Sorry boss I dozed off while turning, no boats were harmed in the filming of this lmfao
"I clearly stated im way underqualified for this job, i was looking for a deckhand position but these lunatics still hired me as captain, im not taking any responsibility for this".
I'd say that is a common occurrence. Those ships are narrow to get through such places. To carry a large cargo they are very long. Long skinny things don't turn well. In August, 2003 I was in a grandstand with my late Father, watching a ship go through the Soo Locks in Sault Saint Marie, MI. The only time I've seen an Iron Boat up close. It was almost scraping both sides of the lock. It went through perfectly. It was the Presque Isle 😍.
This is a huge ship, fully loaded, I'm surprised that they didn't use tugboats, actually not only surprised but astonished, it should be a port requirement for a ship of this size to use them, this is not Toyota Prius, you can't just turn on a dime. The 2nd thing I noticed, or didn't notice was that bow thruster not operating, when it was obvious that the bow is gonna struck the pier, bow thruster should work with full power to try & sway the bow to starboard, for some reason it didn't seem to work, effect of the thruster would be reduced due to ship's speed, but it should still help.
Ahhh, all the dockside skippers in these comments . . . No one was drunk, if you listen you can hear the bow thruster lose power before she hits. And yes, it was officially a grounding not a collision because she (or, more correctly "they" because the Presque Isle is a permanently coupled barge/tug combination) didn't hit the pier they hit the scour stone on the bottom. This stone is placed to prevent scouring of the bottom near the steel piles that protrude from the pier. She did suffer some damage as a result, some buckling of plates that was not considered major and will be (by now, was?) dealt with at her next haul out. Facts, gentleman, get them correct before commenting.
No, he wasn’t. That twin in the front is 10,000 hp. Same with the twins on the aft. Most likely lost the engines which in turn rendered the steering gear and thruster non operational. Don’t be fooled by the smoke stacks. The exhaust you see is from house generators. Not used for maneuvering.
By the looks of the sides on that ship, they sail by braille
Right, looks like that’s the “training ship”
Dam that's hilarious.
Jesus fucking christ this is a funny comment.
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Tug boat scuffs
I said Rum and Coke on the Rocks!!!
Not Run the Boat on the Rocks!!
Haha, my new boating motto!
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Good old Cap'n Hazelwood.
lol
The captain will need a rum and coke after this.
Looking at the side of the ship, she’s been here before 😂
From passing through locks
Yep, not their first rodeo
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"Seen it. Covered it."
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I mean, in the captain's defense, he's like a quarter mile from the front of the ship.
You're not too far off which is amazing to think about. Imagine laying one of the Twin Towers on its side, putting a huge diesel in it, and adding a wheel. I was wondering something though- I didn't see the bow thruster being used. It looked as if he started his turn out of the channel just a bit late. He was hard over I'm sure the way the stern was swinging around.
yeah, maybe next time they should back it in
Nothing in Captains defence. There is something known as safe speed in closed waters and good seamanship. Not electronic transponders and navigation.
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Wait you guys all think the captain, or even any of his crew drive this ship?? Nope, usually specialized maritime pilots who know the local waters do this. In open waters it's the captain (and his subordinate) who controls the ship.
After an internal investigation and crash analysis it was determined that the ship should have turned more better.
This will help others in the future!!
Lack of proper use of bow thruster.
@@Biffo1262 I was wondering the same thing, he since he didn’t steer soon enough to get back under it. I wonder why he didn’t use his bow thruster to help kill the slide from the turn.
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This evaluation will save things from being worser.
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and I would walk five hundred more
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Nice job
applause for the witty
No need to have changed miles to feet.
@Brian Quinlan No, we republicans do not support guys like Larry Craig or anyone like him
Everyone wants to be the captain until captainy things need to be done.
Surely that has to be a woman at the wheel ?👍
@@Blah67 Dude sleeps on couch tonight... Hope your wife ain't on YT......LOL. but Brent laugh,, ride with my Japanese wife sometime. she turns on the wipers and the truck goes off the road and into the berm.
I rest my case 👍
Captainy shit,must be drinking on the job
@@Blah67 Yeah. She had her dog in her lap, putting on makeup, checking her instagram, and reading a book at the same time. Lol
"You're good, you're good, you're good. Don't worry about those scratches captain, that'll buff right out".
It's not the first time by the looks of it.
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@John Doe nope, spongebob reference.
I like it! Good o'l spongebob!
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Not really a “grounding”... I’d say it’s an allision. Allisions happen when a ship strikes a static object - a pier, dock, etc., where as a grounding means the ship struck the bottom due to draft vs water depth.
Never heard that word before but I agree, it's not run aground it's just hit the side of the canal.
She shepherd will never let you aboard, you know too much 😀
@@JoeC88 I wouldn’t sail with those idiots anyways 😂
@@seapappy9183 Heck no, I am surprised they have not killed some of their own pot smokin zombie hippy crew. Why their opposition does not hose them with offal has me wondering.
Thanks for the knowledge
It's amazing to see the Presque Isle now because I was on the lakes in 77-78 and remember seeing her then. I worked on the Belle River in 78 which was also a 1000 footer.
I worked on a smelly brown thingy .. and when I finished it disappeared into a whirlpool after a whooshing sound.
@@arcdestriumph586 so cool and edgy. Any actual accomplishments to list?
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Presque Isle means "almost an island", now it is.
"Presque mais pas vraiment" isle
I was hoping for this comment
as people watch from almost an island
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Actually it was almost an island while it was free floating. Now it's definitely a peninsula.
There was a lot of pee cups filled that morning in Duluth.
Maybe shorts, as well!
No, with Coast Guard its blood test.
I have a suspicion it wasn't pee that filled those cups on that morning
@C R Page 30 section VI "Urine test for blood alcohol levels is unacceptable."
www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/NMC/pdfs/drug_testing/employers_drug_testing_guide-2009.pdf
But I do stand corrected, no blood test for drugs.
There is a hair test ; but it’s expensive , and nobody can pass it ,
For the people who don't know this was caused of a malfunction in the rudder making her not be able to turn
they could have used the bow thrusters
@@grasscutter88They did at the end to be able to get off the pier wall
Oops…..
And being slightly overloaded
@@grasscutter88 I don't know if you've ever seen a ship use its bow thrusters before, but when they are underway, they're not as effective as you would think. If you are stationary they work great, but if you have any kind of way on, they do not work that well. The screws aren't far enough apart to be able to use differential thrust either
Should have had someone with a paddle on the front end.
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Judging by her battle scars this isn’t her first scrape with a wall
You took the words out of my fingers.
classic for a malm-barge, being pushed by a pusher tug
Absolutely normal, all lakers are scraped up from passing through the locks.
No no no that's rubbing and rubbing son is racing.
@@marklacombe2671 the breakwater will hold cole!
Judging by the scuffs on the hull , this isn't the first time she's rubbed the rails. Lol
I was just about ready to say that.
@@mikeab93 So was I.
Me 3 lol.
The scrapes are from entering and departing the locks at Sault Ste Marie. You heave lines to workmen and tie the ship while raising and lowering. Also from tiring up at a dock where you pull the vessel with winches forward and aft for loading and unloading
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All I can think about is Spongebob saying......"you're good....you're good....you're good.....don't worry captain we'll buff out those scratches
That's like a professional "Momback" in trucking. ::::Waves hands frantically:::: "MOMBACK! MOMBACK! KEPPUH COMIN'! MOMBACK! ;;;;Creeeunch;;;;; "OK! STOP!"
Precisely!!!
Is that actually a episode
IF I was those Onlookers ..I Wouldn't be Getting up close to Gawk .... That Breakwater Wall and Pier could have easily become Crushed with that 65000 TONS of Cargo striking that Wall !! The Hull is at the 30 FOOT marker as well ! WOW
I was thinking she looked way low in the water. Must have had a very heavy load.
Judging by the marks on the hull, that ship has hugged more walls than an antique clock.
Reminds me of a scene from "Galaxy Quest".
I'll get one of my boys down here with a can of WD40 😂😂😂
Seriously, who couldn't have a good time watching that movie???
My thoughts exactly!! Haha couldn’t help leaning while watching this
NEVER GIVE UP!
NEVER SURRENDER!
If you lean your body to the right, that'll fix the tons of steel going off course.
You, you’ve gotta go right
Seagull sitting on the lamp post seemed quite laid back about it all. Perhaps he's seen it before.
He was the captains eyes on the ground. He's dead now.
@@ironmantooltime you must mean he was a 'didn't sea gull'
@@tinytonymaloney7832 🙄
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Funny. I also was lookin at him sitting there.
I know who's taking a drug test today
Sean Goldsworth ...lolol. made me laugh man. thanks 😎
Everyone on watch
So ...its his fault he ran aground?
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You get the Mystery Science Theater 3000 award
It's more like someone decided to take her out before their morning coffee.
Practice makes a man perfect. He's been hitting the sweet spot repeatedly. Great job skipper.
Never understood how someone could maneuver such a wide and very long behemoth of a ship! Better yet, it was my cousin who made this video, I knew the dude was a master photographer but he's really impressed me now!
The key thing to understand, and one of the other comments referred to this, is you only have the ability to steer the ship while there's substantial water going across the rudder at the back of the ship. If you slow down, the ship will just start going where it wants to, often being driven by the wind. In this case if you still had rudder control, all it could do is push the ship closer to the dock. The bowof the ship is a thousand feet in front of you and it's not going to easily move back out into the channel.
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This is not running aground, it was hitting the pier
No it is running aground. Ship grounding is the impact of a ship on seabed or waterway side.
@@DouglasEdward84 is it just me or is that boat sitting very low in the water !
@@leonrhodes8700 fully loaded
@@Wildstar40 wow I've been around lake ship while being loaded ,and they sit so tall in the water ! It's hard to imagine it could handle rough water sitting that low? Do you know why he hit the pier ?
@@leonrhodes8700
This video shows the same ship unloaded at time stamp 3.53
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From the looks of the Hull, not his first ‘scrape’ with trouble!!
On the back of the boat is a bumper sticker that says "If you don't like my sailing then get off the land!"
Add scars from going through all the locks
I've driven past all the behemoths that delivered to USS GARY WORKS, close up, and I don't think I will ever not be impressed by their size. Amazing vessels
I've walked through the Cleveland cliffs boat in Toledo before those are huge
when they said run a ground silly me but i thought they hit bottom . They didnt run a ground they ran into land
Ground is ground above or below the water.
I guess that was the surprise?
@@svbarryduckworth628 a grounding is when the depth of water is not enough and the ship runs aground this was a collision.
@@nicholaspratt7934 incorrect in two ways. A single-ship crash is not a "collision." A collision is between two or more ships all under way. When it is just a single ship under way it is called an "allision." Look it up.
Anyhow, this vessel never touched the wall here. It grounded in the very shallow water near the side of the canal, a mere few feet from the wall, but it never touched the bulkhead.
If you want to try and correct somone who lives and works on the water 24/7 at least brush up on your nautical terms. It's embarrassing.dude.
@@svbarryduckworth628 Then where was all the crunching coming from, that was concrete.
The embarrassing one here is you.
Reading about the Big Fitz recently, it was said that minor scrapes and bangs often occurred with the Great Lakes freighters, including guard rail loss, etc. This helps me understand the bow of the Presque Isle even before this abutment-kissing maneuver. Thank you for the great footage!
The ship got clear of the wall and then circled outside the harbor entrance for a while before coming back in - probably for inspection. 36hrs later it went to Gary or Indiana harbor - south Lake Michigan. It then returned to Superior and as far as I can tell is still moored there. Maybe the damage was more severe than originally thought and/or more extensive repairs are necessary.
Thanks for the informative update.
Didn't get her ligned up soon enough. She entered the canal crooked. But I don't know what was the cause of this issue.
My first thought exactly.
Thats what I was thinking, but you'd think manuveri.g thrusters would have had more authority.
@@jacobmccandles1767 Thrusters (rather what appears to be a single bow thruster in this case) won't do anything for you at that speed; especially loaded down to her marks.
1:33 bow thrusters shut down, you can hear them running and suddenly stop
henry wank
Armchair critic.
"Ah, good morning Bow-Thrusters . . . nice of you to join us . . . late night was it?"
Was wondering why the bow thrusters weren't operating...lol
She doesn’t have bow thrusters. Just looked her up on MarineTraffic, and there are no bow thruster logos on the bow. Not surprising since she was built in 1973.
A ship that size will have no use of bowthrusters. They'll be ineffective. Although it should have been accompanied by tug boats till it clears breakwater. Plus it should not have been manoeuvring at such high speed especially when making a turn. Probably got sucked to the sidewall due to banking effect.
@@rohitkhairwar7841 I just learned about getting sucked over like that on the Tim B at Sea channel.
Thrusters don’t work at that speed.
Doesn’t it have thrusters on the front?
I'm amazed these ships don't have tugs to guide them through that harbour entrance?
Judging from the scrapes at the front of the vessel, this has happened before
there is another video of this ship being stuck in ice 10 years ago
They slide up and down the dock whenever they are loading their cargo.
I can just hear someone getting slapped on the head with a cap, and the “Oh Gilligan!!” 🤣
actually that was ( special agent ) Gibbs lol
Or those of us old enough to remember the UK Radio programme (The Navy Lark) “left hand down a bit...”!!
John Stuchbery As a Whovian from Canada I am contractually obliged to fanboy over Jon Pertwee being in this show.
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By the huge scars on the port bow this looks to be SOP (standard operating procedure).
boating by braille lol
Captain been there done that.
Actually the scrapes are from entering and departing the locks at the soo. And it seems as the vessel lost one or both of the mirrless blackstone engines which in turn rendered the thrusters and steering gear non operational. Happens more than you think. But happens more while underway rather than in maneuvering.
Was the skier being towed able to stay upright?
This is sort of like that scene in Galaxy Quest...
I love how there’s multiple videos of the ship , crashing into things and beaching itself..... One of my favorite comments in one of the other videos “it’s like the swift of the Great Lakes”
Haha I just had it in my recommended to watch, and I just looked under the video to see other videos of this ship crashing as you said! Haha perhaps the crew are attempting to get in the Guinness World Records for ‘most crashed ship’?
Haha. No doubt. It's an oddity for that ship to NOT run aground
SWIRIST -- See Where I Run Into Something Today.
It seems that the 1000' tug/barge combo is just not that maneuverable...
Thats no problem, he probably used to drive for Swift!
Damn bro that’s a bit harsh. I mean Swift, damn.
Or JB Hunt or Schneider. Don’t forget Werner Enterprises
@@glynncrook9211 You know why JB Hunt stopped pulling doubles? Every time they got to a bridge they'd knock that top trailer right off. LMAO
@Sean Matheney And they will always stick the landing.
But you might need a recovery vehicle.
Could not have been Swift. There trucks were made in Mexico, sat on lot and in shop. Alternator, starter, multiple starting issues about 12 to 15 years ago.
How many Captains does it take to go ashore in Duluth? One and a Fifth!
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Samonator65...looks like somebody needs a remedial course in 5th grade geography. There is no Duluth in Wisconsin, nor in Nova Scotia. At least he didn’t guess Duluth, Georgia, which is nowhere near a major body of water... 😂
Aren't running aground and hitting the pier two different things?
That is just beautiful. The legend lives on from the Chippewa...
If everyone goes to the stern and bounces up and down, it should help lift the bow off the riverbed! 😊😁👍😎
I originally thought this was a joke, until I see the emoji spam.
It's not a river it's the entry and exit to the Bay
@@chadmcclure2972 its a canal
@@ClearsightAltAccount its water
@@American_2 Not enough of it?
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Not more better...more gooder :)
That seagull on the street light towards the end is thinking, “ you done messed up A-A-Ron.”
Lmao. I love it.
Probably in Oh Shag Hennasee's office right now.
He was out clubbing when he should have been steering the ship.
Presque Ilse: Has a bow thruster
Also Presque Ilse: Doesn't use it
If i recall correctly Bow thrusters are useless on speed 5 knots and above.
The momentum is too much on a ship like this. Ineffectual.
Seems like a good place to have a tug or two...
Was thinking the same thing lol
I mean.. It kinda *is* a tug
Was this due to a bow thruster failure
Captain: 1) Somebody gave me decaffeinated this morning.
2) The sun was in my eyes.
3) My bow watchman wasn't.
4. The lighthouse looked a lot closer than it was, but I got pretty close wouldn't you say?
the captain was questioned about the empty booze bottle seen thrown from the wheel house. "Wasn't me............."
the bow watchman wasn't 😂
The Isle lost power to her bow thrusters half way into the turn.
@Mark Grudt Not so trusting, heh Mark?
Ships enter the channel moving dead ahead, and I assume they shouldn't need to alter course till they're through it.
@@keithnichols7926 Ever heard of currents? If a ship is even a little outside dead-ahead a current can act with increasing intensity of leverage the longer the vessel.
@@ThePlayerToBeNamedLater that's what she said!
@@keithnichols7926 Did you, uh, norice the wind whistling through the mic in the video?
As others have said: this is an allision with the sea wall. Running aground would mean the required draft exceeded the available depth. This was pretty good ship handling to bring it to a stop that quickly once the Capt realized he had lost control. A couple pulses on the bow thruster and they will be on their way.
No bow truster on this tub
@@facts_people-n Sure looks like the markings say otherwise.
I hate it when allision's happen.
Driving by braille
Peter Saar markings on the bow show a bow thruster. Likely the bow thruster engine was not running. Generally there’s a large diesel in the bow to power the bow thruster.
what is causing that horrible noise? the bottom scraping the ground, the hull along the quai, or simply the whole boat and all its spars bending until they break?
Don't these things have bow thrusters ?
Crikey! I never thought I'd never see the Aerial Bridge again & I'm not being funny about the near miss incident 😂 I did a summer stint at Camp Millar in 89 I think as a Camp Councillor & on our days off we'd spend time up in Duluth & hang out down at the Bridge. Great memories of Minnesota! Love from NZ 💗✌
That's not running aground, that's running into the seawall.
No it is running aground. Ship grounding is the impact of a ship on seabed or waterway side.
@@DouglasEdward84 to me running aground is the equivalent to fetching up, aka bottoming out i shallow water. I would consider this a collision. I've rubbed the dock with my boat before but I never called it running aground.
It hit rocks under the water. It stayed in Duluth for a couple days for damage inspection
@@derekhughes244 well that's a horse of a different color. I thought it was just grinding along the wall, that being said, I stand corrected.
@@kaburgess69 Ins't crashing into a pier or dock referred to as an Allision and not a Collision? Since it's fixed?
Edit: This is all very pedantic on my part admittedly.
There is a little bit of a current in the canal. If yer not lined up straight with the canal. It can be very difficult to get through the canal. The captain of the Tregurtha says making the turn to go through the canal is the worst of the great lakes.
Jeff Heins...probably true, but a competent, experienced Great Lakes captain or mate is supposed to be able to make the difficult maneuvers as well as the easy ones. And you don’t get to be captain of the Presque Isle by not being thoroughly familiar with the handling characteristics of your vessel and the peculiarities of the major Great Lakes ports.
I want a Gordon Lightfoot song about this.
The Legend Lives On Around Old Duluth Town About the Laker that didn't make the Corner
The canal bank never gives up her paint when the videos make TH-cam!
As the thousand foots go she was rustier than most, with a crew tired of this nonsense.
Coming to some terms with a BS firm, she had to make good time that morning. But entering the canal, there was a lot of fail and then the bump of Presque Isle!
@@PaulfromChicago lol thats awesome
@@PaulfromChicago I like!
@@PaulfromChicago nice job!! I couldn’t have done that any better! Now let’s call Gordon & see if he’ll record that! 😛🤣
My dad works on that ship as the chief engineer and had to go back to work when that happened which sucks!
Sounds like someone forgot to grease the wall!
Now that’s what I call coming to a grinding halt. Thing is, when the front hit the wall the rear hadn’t left port yet.
I wanted a close up I was not expecting to shake hands with the crew.
I've seen some of them coming through locks and there wasn't much room. it's a wonder they made it through.
She ran aground the first time Mar. 22, 2010. Seems like every 10 years the hull and the ground have an untimely meeting. I've often wondered what happened to Capt. Joseph Hazelwood when he lost his job as Capt. of the Exxon Valdez.
I think he found work as a gofer for the law firm that represented him.
FWIW, he got railroaded a bit. Wasn't even at the helm at time of crash, and never was convicted of sh1t. Granted, he probably was sleeping it off, and company policy required him to personally handle the departure...but so many think he crashed a ship while drunk, and that's not it.
That’s my birthday!
@@jeffreyhammonds6189 March 22, 2010 ??? So you're only ten years old????
He worked aboard a lobster boat out of Hunting Harbor, NY.
Huntington Harbor
Are there any worn-out truck tires big enough to prevent this?
Yes, there actually are lol.
Strip mining dump truck tires.
@@B.V.Luminous: But would a skipper want his ship to be seen with a necklace of tires?
Judging from the scrapes on the hull before the impact, that just seems to be how they park that ship.
Glad I'm not the only one that went "Well it looks like they scrape down the side of things all the time."
@@zancrus9629 Parking by braille
The squeal makes me think of GalaxyQuest when they first take the ship out. LOL.
Yes!
My first thought, too!
“Well, that’s going to leave a mark, just like Galaxy Wuest.”
Such a great movie hahaha
Reminds of Galaxy Quest leaving on their maiden flight from the space dock. Man that's hard on the ears.
Exactly. Except the Galaxy Quest ship just kept going. I guess this captain wanted to avoid the noise this early in the morning.
I wonder what that 'feels' like to bystanders that close when something that happens?
We could hear it, so I bet somebody standing there could certainly feel it.
I was in the US Coast Guard on the Mackinaw breaking ice when we told the anderson to hold fast we hit a ridge of ice and was breaking through slowly damn thing his us in the ass I never seen so many rats jump over board ... not really but boy the crew sure did run!
Probably the loudest “Oh hell, not again.” Ever.
That scraping sound is the sound of the Captain losing his job.
Most likely won't lose their job, unless they were under the influence of alcohol or drugs while operating the boat. Now that would get them fired.
That would be the Pilot loosing his job.
@@insearchoftrance3590 *losing
@@jmiller72100 thank you :)
@@insearchoftrance3590 Great Lakes boats don't use pilots. The captains are certified pilots for Great Lakes waters and ports. Pilots are only used for International ships coming in through the Seaway.
Is this the same ship that ran aground near the Detroit River a while ago?
Would it help to have the bridge at the bow end?
I think there was a issue with the thruster. Someone told me in the Webcam chat
Speed looked a little high to use the thruster. Plus at that draft the thruster is probably not very effective. She was exiting so there is a fair run up to that turn, I certainly wouldn't have been using the thruster. Btw I am a pilot so this is a pretty good appraisal. I'm not sure what the depth of water is there. That might also have played a role, ships often don't turn well in shallow water.
You can hear the thruster running till it shits the bed at 1:30. You can see her take off towards the wall at that moment. It sounds like it comes back on maybe a minute later.
@@mrdumbfellow927 I didn't say he wasn't using it. Certainly in desperation one uses everything one has. By the time you resort to the thruster at that speed and draft you have used up all your options except the anchor (which would have made it worse).
But at that draft, on that type of ship, the thruster cannot rescue you from a bad approach to the corner. All that said, there is not enough evidence here to get judgemental. I can see that turn on google earth but have never been round it or conned the ship in question so my opinion is just that, an opinion, and as we know every a-hole has one. Thats what pilots are really for, local knowledge. there, but for the grace of God............
Captain Crunch: I hate that damn pier, watch this boys.
Pier: What the hell man, I live here.
Ship: This whole thing is rubbing me the wrong way.
Haha Captain Crunch, nice one Ray.
So, does anyone know the real cause? Was this a bow thruster failure? Ship handling error? Did the ship return to the dock, get rescued by tugs?
ships of this size, have extreme long turning radius. so my bet is:
1. miss the turning point, but was pass the point of no return and since ships like these can travel several 100 meters before they manage to stop he probably just went for it, better to "remove some paint" than go hit head on!
2. Water current pushed the ship a little more than they was used to in this area.
3. wind. big ship with big flat sizes, wind can affect it a lot. There are videos on youtube of cruise ships hitting docks or each other due to the wind take hold of there big flate sides and the engine can't hold against it.
In this situation, navigation trough narrow waterway, with a huge ships, a two tug to the front and rear is a must. It's normal seamanship, but some company are willingly to save money if they can. since this is an barge, it have an tug on the rear to push it. An barge doesn't have it own engines. but still there should be a tug in the front, specially on a windy day
I agree with heuhen. He should had been lined up straight before making way through narrow bridge with in coming tide. He was cocked over and that tide just grabbed him
@@heuhen Where do you get the idea this is a barge? Note the engines.
Wind is less of a factor with a ship like this, low in the water, than with a high-sided cruise ship or container vessel.
@@KutWrite A barge can also have an engine, this one have for bow-thruster, for improved maneuver capability inside a dock.
This is a bulk-barge that transporting mainly malm, sand, stone, etc. and they take very long time to load up, so instead of having a crew and ship waiting several hours, they just disconnect the barge, while it's loading and go pick up another barge that is already loaded, thus the crew have minimal down time, but instead of having two big ships with big thirsty engines, they have just one thirsty engine, saving a little here and there
What you see here is a barge, with bowthruster, with a pusher-tug connected to it. I know a thing or two about ships, If you don't belive me, see these pictures:
Here the same "Barge" that you see in the video:
duluthshippingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/220801-326.jpg
Here is the Barge, without the pusher-tug:
www.boatnerd.com/pictures/fleet/thumb/presqueisle-02-or-(1).jpg
and here is the pusher-tug itself:
static.vesselfinder.net/ship-photo/7303877-367057570-4cb5a56340151fc10936513a13ea7c36/1
@@heuhen it's not a barge. It's an actual vessel. Barges are not self powered. This was and still under investigation. But common thought is piloting error via mis judging the turn.
Happens a bit here in D town.
I'm surprised to see no tug boats assisting the vessel, since the vessel is loaded (the deep draft), the narrow channel, and the wind. The wheel symbol under the vessel's name means she has a bow thruster. Meaning the vessel can steer the bow to port(Left looking forward) or starboard(Right looking forward). When the bow thruster activates, you can normally see water churn in the opposite direction the vessel wants to steer. Possibly from the deep draft , as well, it can't be seen, or it's operation failed. Glad too see no spill occurred. I wish the video had panned back to the bridge to see the Captains reaction. Sending love from the coast of California to whoever reads my comment.
Thruster may simply have failed ….
Tugs cost to use.
I didn’t see her run aground, I saw her hit a wall.
An allision
trnrbrnr Yes, if I were filling out a log or a report I would use that word, I used layman’s language for the benefit of those who don’t hold a USCG license as I do.
Agreed.....Click Bait....or oversight..pick one.
Ground...wall. One is horizontal one is vertical. Guess it’s not important?
Boat Axe
What next? Will it require inspection, internally or divers? or is this not a big deal
Guy at the front of the ship was like.. You good you good.. oh shit.
Captain: Hey everyone, Big Jugs Jenny is on the right side walk wishing us off. "HEY JENNY, SHOW US YOUR TI............" BOOM!!!!!!
Some ships on the lakes hold records like longest ship, most tonnage hauled in a season or longest time in service. In the case of the Presque Isle it’s most time spent ashore....
Went to college there, canal park was a decent hangout for live music and beers at grandmas
Guessing the bow thruster wouldn't fire up. Seems it should have been a rudder move, but I kept expecting the thruster to come in and save the day, not ro mention some paint.
this ship has a bow thruster, why didnt they use it? for such a long ship trying to do a quick turn like that, it should have been used
I could be wrong, but I think the thruster malfunctioned. If you listen from the start to 1:30 it gets quiet. Like there was a diesel engine running, then it shuts off. I could be wrong but I think that's the thruster shutting down.
I thought the same thing and I would hope any captain would use it if it was working properly, either way I wouldn't want to be in his shoes explaining this one.... Sorry boss I dozed off while turning, no boats were harmed in the filming of this lmfao
It's crazy how long that ship is.
You'd think it would be black😄
TWSS
He already has some Darlington Stripes on the side.
Was this on portpose? (Sea what I did there?)
who was steering this ship?
Captain: "It's not my fault. I didn't hire me."
🤣🤣
"I clearly stated im way underqualified for this job, i was looking for a deckhand position but these lunatics still hired me as captain, im not taking any responsibility for this".
I'd say that is a common occurrence. Those ships are narrow to get through such places. To carry a large cargo they are very long. Long skinny things don't turn well. In August, 2003 I was in a grandstand with my late Father, watching a ship go through the Soo Locks in Sault Saint Marie, MI. The only time I've seen an Iron Boat up close. It was almost scraping both sides of the lock. It went through perfectly. It was the Presque Isle 😍.
This is a huge ship, fully loaded, I'm surprised that they didn't use tugboats, actually not only surprised but astonished, it should be a port requirement for a ship of this size to use them, this is not Toyota Prius, you can't just turn on a dime.
The 2nd thing I noticed, or didn't notice was that bow thruster not operating, when it was obvious that the bow is gonna struck the pier, bow thruster should work with full power to try & sway the bow to starboard, for some reason it didn't seem to work, effect of the thruster would be reduced due to ship's speed, but it should still help.
@@fishtug2420 hello, thanks for input, just one thing, are you saying that this ship is only navigating the grat lakes?
@@fishtug2420 wow, didn't know that such huge ships sail there exclusively. Interesting fact, thanks!
Ahhh, all the dockside skippers in these comments . . .
No one was drunk, if you listen you can hear the bow thruster lose power before she hits. And yes, it was officially a grounding not a collision because she (or, more correctly "they" because the Presque Isle is a permanently coupled barge/tug combination) didn't hit the pier they hit the scour stone on the bottom. This stone is placed to prevent scouring of the bottom near the steel piles that protrude from the pier. She did suffer some damage as a result, some buckling of plates that was not considered major and will be (by now, was?) dealt with at her next haul out.
Facts, gentleman, get them correct before commenting.
Fabulous loved both entry and exit ! thank you !oh my gosh what happened ?
This is one you'll want to play in slow motion.
😆😆😆
🤣🤣
He was going way too fast for that bow thruster to be effective.
Zero bow thrust...
Then the thought hits..."DAMN! Should hired that Tug"!
I was thinking the same thing. Also it looks like a current is there so even at stand still compared to dock the thrusters might have issues.
Configuration is not a Great Lakes boat-no bow thruster.
No, he wasn’t. That twin in the front is 10,000 hp. Same with the twins on the aft. Most likely lost the engines which in turn rendered the steering gear and thruster non operational. Don’t be fooled by the smoke stacks. The exhaust you see is from house generators. Not used for maneuvering.
This is so relaxing to me, I don’t know why. Probably because I wasn’t involved in any way.
Perhaps the bow thrusters option is in order 🤔
What no bow thrusters?
Probably had a blackout, they would have been using the bow thrusters hard if they was working.
No problem, that seems to be their way of parallel parking.