Great review! Glad to see those 140 watt PD ports and the 2 separate MPPT solar controllers as well. EcoFlow is really going all out with updating their entire line of power stations. I saw a review of one of the new River 3 series where the AC efficiency for loads of 100 watts was almost 95%! I guess to make the Delta 3 plus perfect, it would need two battery connectors and a 30 amp DC output, but they are 95% there. EcoFlow is also supposed to launch a new product starting today. Wonder what it will be? I suggested the EcoFlow MicroWAVE on their channel and got a few laughs:)
I agree, EcoFlow needs to allow for more DC output! Even if it was just a 15 amp output I'd be happy, just need 150 watts! An XT60 15 amp port would give us about 180 watts. I think it's their new 3000 smart generator. Johnny's Weekends has been testing that out and he put out his video on that today.
AC idle consumption so high. I calculated 630wh for 24h. Delta2 uses only 200wh. I’m in Ukraine and it’s very crucial when powering fridge, wifi and lights 24/7
I did a continuity test on my EcoFlow XT-60i cables, The solar cable ties the signal pin to the ground which enables the full current, the 12v cable ties the signal pin to the hot which limits the current to the car charging current set in the app. If you made your own cable (with appropriate wire gauge) hardwired to your battery you could charge at around 400w assuming your alternator can keep it's voltage high under a 30 amp load.
My original Delta 2 stopped charging via car charger 12v. After returning 3 times it remains broke. Solar charging no problem. Customer service has been responsive.
@@Jasonoid Extremely annoying to go to FedEx Ground. Customer service does respond within 48 hours. Also… great review. I appreciate your work on a wide variety of options and products.
Thank you Jason for the awesome review. I was patiently waiting on this to make a decision on a small/medium power station too run a small TV and camera equipment. I think this will be awesome.
Disappointed all these companies limit the solar input voltage to 60V, impossible to do a 3S setup. Those newpowa panels jason have been discontinued for the past year. The only panel that comes close is the Calpha 200w VOC@ 20.1V. The flipside 1000w solar for 2 inputs is a nice trade off. Kudos to ecoflow for allowing the compatibility with the previous models expanadion battery's.
Luckily they allow 15 amps so doing a 2S2P config isn't horrible. If you picked up some affordable 150w to 175w panels, wired them in a 2S config you could get the 500w. The other option would be to find some residential panels locally, 275w to 350w for really cheap and wire those in parallel together on each port. With a portable unit like this I'd probably use one port for car charging with the XT60i cable for 185w and solar on the roof.
@@Jasonoid thanks its my 4th unit, to go with my delta mini, delta 1300 and delta 2..... Do you have a link to the solor panel used in the testing. Didn't see anything in the description.
I’m glad I bought the version 2 I really like my plugs coming out the back I don’t want the AC plugs in the front. While I can see the front being useful in some instances but I don’t travel with them much so The outlets being in the back are a plus.
See I prefer the front. I keep my batteries on a server rack style storage. So quickly being able to plug in things works better for me. Guess it depends on the use case.
Ordered mine before YT creators released any videos. Glad I made the right choice. I’m curious how the charging on this will work with the EF alternator charging system that I bought as well?
Isn't the Bluetti AC180 similar in spec but much cheaper? Just saw it yesterday for $499. Would be interested in hearing how these differ from one another. Thanks.
who needs usb outputs that much a unit this size better to just a get a smaller powerbank. eco flow milking folk with the prices lets be real. dont make them poor, but they are expensive
I appreciate that he was indepth on this unit but now im going to look into the one you suggested. I just need something for my food trailer to power my security system and alarm when its not in use. so I will look into this one for sure. BuT JASONOID you did a good job especially with the back up battery because the mdoel3 is expensive.
Looks good hopefully they have solid after sales support their website is really spammy and way too many pop ups. An awful experience for buyers researching these units. The full capacity test results are awful I would hope for at least 90% of the rated capacity! I’m waiting to see what they do with the D3 Max and their portable panels here in a few months. I had their 200w panel and returned it because the kickstand was awful to setup and breakdown at every campsite not to mention the non adjustable legs. I’m leaning more heavily towards anker panels and stations at the moment.
@@Armenian I mean, good for them? I’m telling you I follow the industry. 90% is almost unfounded. Anything over 82 is good. It’s just how these things work. Shit brands barely get 70%
@@erikkuhlemeyer9402 I mean, okay, cool story bro. Thats just like, your opinion man. You do you and spend your money on “lower capacity then advertised” power stations.
@@Armenian didn’t say I buy them. I follow this market pretty close. If what you say about the 737 is true then awesome. But I’m telling you, in terms of portable power stations, anything over 80/82 is a win. It’s a good conversion rate. Keep in mind this unit literally just came out. Mine arrived yesterday. With updates I would expect to see increases in that efficiency.
Jasanoid - tell Me please about this newest Delta - I am interested in UPS - I want to run my PC that is about 1 Kw/h (crypto mining) from this Delta - how does it works out if this goes to discharge while Pc connected to this Delta - will this Delta charge up from Solar same time while using PC and while there is a plenty of Sun outside un Sunny day or charging up Delta 3 does not work while smething is connected to to this Delta 3 outlet / socket - or can use it and same time charging Delta?? Can it withstand such constant heavy crypto mining load on daily basis? Plus - how does in this case scenario will that UPS function work??
UPS mode only applies if you have it charging from the AC wall cable. If you are charging from solar only, you don't need to worry about UPS mode. This unit will dual charge with AC and solar at the same time though. Crypto machines pull a bunch of power, usually you need a very large battery / inverter setup to run crypto setups off solar.
@@Jasonoid I do plan to run miners while Sun is shining in daytime - I do not want to run miners from my AC - obviously because I need a profit and not a loss - at my point where I am based - with 18 cents per kw/h (0.18 USD) only Sun is profitable for crypto miners and I do love mining because it is so much fun to do so!! I am looking for these AIO Solar systems where all are included and all is just plug&play system - just plug Solar panels to this Delta (I plan to buy these Delta) and just plug my crypto miners to this Delta - so simple like "Sun goes in - Money comes out" principle. I have zero knowledge of Solar systems how to build ones so i want all simple. But same time this one simple makes Me a lot of question -as you mentioned that I do not need to worry about UPS mode while charging from Solar - WHY ?? - just look at that - In days when Sun goes behind clouds - the generated electricity fluctuates - that mean - if Sun is no charging batteries - then where else my miner will gets electricity - when Sun is behind the clouds - ? - so that means by logic Delta's UPS should kick in while Sun is not charging batteries of Delta and Delta should function as UPS same time as backup - because my thoughts are that if there are overcurrent while Sun is shining - that overcurrent or let's say "too much generated electricity" should go directly to my crypto miner while batteries of Delta are full. Can it do that this Delta???
Meh! My Amazon purchase gives back 5% on all my purchases. You can do better! Let's see 25% next time. 😂 I sold my Delta 2 and bought myself a Delta 3 plus. Ecoflow did it right by putting all the ports in the front. The 649 sale price was perfect. I bought a killer deal last week on a Delta 2 Max with the alternator charger for 699.00😮 It was a 6 hour lightning sale. I sold this too and bought the Delta Pro 3. Delta 2 Max is not 30% Federal tax credit eligible. Delta Pro 3 does qualify for the Federal tax credit. I get 900 dollars back on my 2024 tax refund. 😊 Amazon has a good discount price on it.
Was this on Amazon as well? Haven’t seen the Delta 2 Max priced that low before. Been tracking it and lowest I’ve seen is ~$1100. If that’s true, that’s a hell of a deal!
Great review. I like this unit better than any other EcoFlow so far. I especially like the solar input changes, although I do not like the dual input on the MAX, because I can not feed 1000w into it through 1000watts of panels connected in serial. I really like the low idle drain on DC with this unit. You pointed out where this did not score a perfect 10 because of the DC not being able to hit 150w for diesel heaters. One different use case is that I wish each DC output were separate so I can run 2 DC electric blankets. I guess this could also be solved by a higher total output. The thought is that I want more DC output for more freezer, CPAP, and electric blankets. I am still quite bothered that EcoFlow does not include solar cables anymore. It would not cost them that much to include it and will cost me more to buy one. They are going to the extra cost of improving solar input, so obviously they believe people care about solar. Thanks again for another great review.
You could probably get away with using a 12v splitter and running two DC electric blankets, they only pull around 50 watts each so that would be near 100w total. I hope someday they put a higher DC output on their smaller models.... I'd be happy with a 15 to 20 amp port, good for 180w to 230w or something :)
I'd be interested to see how it stands up in price. The non plus model doesn't have 1000w solar nor the 140w usb ports. It should still be fairly similar though.
@@Jasonoid I'm not so interested in the 1,000W solar and USB ports. I obtain more than enough power already via my Ecoflow bifacial Solar panels or the Ecoflow 800W alternator charger. Both the Plus and normal versions don't differ in their charging via the Ecoflow alternator, so I'm more interested in the price. If it's a lot cheaper than the Plus version then that's more likely what I'll go for. The smaller Plus extra battery is nice, but the original Delta 2 extra batteries have already dropped dramatically and the Refurbished ones are less than half price.
@@Globetrotter-1 the biggest upgrade in my opinion are the fans! They are hardly noticeable. The older Delta 2 fans are so loud. It's such a good change!
@@Jasonoid Yes, that would be a bonus, although the Delta 2 fans rarely turn on when it's powering the fridge in my car and I sleep close to it all year. The 12V compressor fridge/freezer actually makes more noise, but thankfully it's only a gentle purr and only for a few minutes per hour. So the quieter Ecoflow Plus wouldn't make any difference unless I bought a quieter fridge! 😂
@PazLeBon is that what they did with the Delta 2 max and River 2 pro? Seems that you just woke up today and decided to be a fu**ing prick for no reason?
Dont mind him, he's a little grumpy today lol... I don't have any word about the Delta 3 Max, unfortunately . I hope they plan on releasing one with similar upgrades.... Maybe 150v solar input? We can hope it would have the same solar as the DP3, 1600w 150voc! I asked about it and they didn't give me any clues it was coming out soon.
@@Jasonoid me? lol maybe a little. was gonna add a delta 2 but more solar would be useful but they have pretty much doubled the price for double the solar input and that feels like a grab.. so now i don't want the delta 2 and can get much higher capacity for far less money. The website, spam, points nonsene etc is also offputting, like aimed at teenage gamers
So if I understand this correctly. With the addition of the dual charging inputs, If I use two XT60i charging cables connected to my 12v vehicle accessory plugs I will achieve 350w charging power which would be approx. 100w less than if I was using the Pecron smart 500w charger? With only a 100w difference, it seems like this would be the better and easier route to go comparing these two scenarios?
👍 Nice job, thanks. I would guess that they don't add 30A is because it would take a ton of sales away from the Pro, $$$. I would buy one this size with 30A over the full, heavy Pro, and they know it.
I'd be happy with 150 watts from the 12v cig port. It would be even better if they threw in a 15 amp XT60 or a 20 amp XT output and it would be golden. It doesn't need to be the full 30 amp output.
@@Jasonoid All that would be nice for sure. I personally would use the 30 amp socket to plug in my small RV and dual run my 24v battery bank into the XT60 ports.
As always Mr. Jason, great video. Love this new Delta 3. If I ever bought it I could finally use my 2 Ecoflow 160W solar panels and my 2 Ecoflow 220W bifacial panels on the same unit. I love this size unit with the 1800W inverter as I own 2 Delta 2's. My ideal unit would be one with a 1500W or 1800W inverter and a 2KW battery capacity. I believe this would make for a better efficient unit that would be able to run a full size residential unit for a minimum of 24 hours straight during an emergency where running everything else is not important but just being able to keep food from spoiling as many will experience around the coastal areas during hurricanes or other major Mother Nature disasters. Keep up the great work.
In this video below I tested 19.8ms after the firmware update, still not quite fast enough for most desktops under a load: th-cam.com/video/opBLpcOWV0w/w-d-xo.html It's better than the original 30ms, but not near 10ms to keep all electronics running.
@@Jasonoid sure, always that caveat of being in EU and we are way pricier for this brand. 750 euros on offer for delta 2, often 1k and this penciled at 1200eu :)
@@Jasonoid i do take on board what you say and never disrespectful i hope ;) But by that token some things will frustrate me cos they could make these products will all the features rather than bringing them out in steps like an iphone :)
This may be a dumb question, but it won't be my first or last... If one of the charge controllers malfuncted for some reason, would the other one work correctly, or are they connected some how?🤔
My Delta 3 Plus exhibits a high pitched hiss when AC charging between 600W - 1500W. When I sent EcoFlow a video they said that it was abnormal and sent me a return label. Does yours make any sound other than soft fan noise while charging? The fans are super quiet, but the transformer charging noise is unnerving frequency wise even though it's not loud.
@@Jasonoid Good to hear that the AC charging hiss is not endemic, thanks. Another issue I had was overheating at 136F battery temp when running a 1450W heater from 100% to 0% and refused to charge for 1.5 hours; the battery was already warm from fast charging just before. A room battery temp rerun of the same test reached 122F, which is right under their 125F limit. My power meter showed 955Wh the first time, 912Wh the second time; which is really good. Inverter self-consumption is around 35-40W an hour in my rough estimate and is really high. The UPS feature on this thing is amazing, my desktop was chugging along no matter what I did with power input.
Another reason I chose the Pecron e1500lfp. For about the same price... 12-18 v and 32-95 volt solar inputs. 2200 watt inverter. 1536 Wh. I've had it only about a week and absolutely love it. Only thing, it is a little heavy at 40 lbs.
Will be even better in a few years when they move over to solid state batteries. The days of having to be connected to the grid under the stranglehold of big utility companies are well & truly numbered.
@@YouLookinAtMe-Bro semi solid state LFP batteries aren't really a thing. I'd take that with a grain of salt. I mean.... If you search for Semi Solid State LFP batteries on the internet nothing comes up.
Still only 1000 watts … 😩. Been waiting for EF to upgrade the Delta 2 to compete in watt hours with the bluetti 180p at 1400-1500 wh’s. Really like the new improvements but missed the mark not getting to ~1500wh
@@Jasonoid Thanks for the recommendation to the Pecron. That is also towards the top of my list - AC180p, Pecron e1500lfp, Ecoflow Delta 3 Plus - or just keep lugging around my AC200p until my personal unicorn arrives (i.e. EF bumps the wh on D3+)
This video is just great! This variant is 10/10 for me, I don't care about the 150W output for the DC plugs. The review is comprehensive and according to my needs and expectations. I particularly love the discussion on solar charging with the solar panels.
Funny how all the TH-camrs have the same vid titles, almost same wording on these videos. It's clear that EcoFlow is providing scripts. "Huge upgrades" on essentially the same machines as prior models. I'm sure they are nice units, just don't deserve the hype.
No scripts were provided from EcoFlow actually, the other channels just copied my video I guess???... since I posted first 😂👍 -Double the solar input, from 500w to 1000w -Two upgraded 140w USBc ports -UPS is 10ms, vs 30ms -Fans are silent! Huge upgrade alone... Way more upgrades than what iPhone touts each year with their iPhones (yet everyone praises them for not making any serious changes)
Please do a test of the HID output function that is new in the Delta 3 Plus. While in UPS mode, the left hand USB-C port can be connected to a network attached storage device, a computer, or some firewalls to allow the peripheral to shut down before the power station runs out of power. Basically, the peripheral should see the specifications of the Delta 3 Plus like a UPS.
Wouldn't that require a special app for communication on the computer? The owners manual doesn't mention anything like that so I'm not sure my preproduction unit has that functionality yet.
The i in XT60i stands for "Information". That extra pin is not for extra power. Ratings for both are typically the same, but could vary depending on manufacturer.
Correct, through wiring configuration on the plug, it allows for a higher amperage input limit on the power station. The third pin doesn't pass power through it, it's a communication protocol. Without the XT60i plug, you are limited to 8 amps and with it you can get the full 15 amps.
Thanks for the great review as always! I just about had my mind made up to get the Dabbsson dbs1000 pro, but now this has me wondering. I remember the comparison video you with the 3 you mentioned, but also one with the dbs, and it came out ahead because it did the one thing that this didn't, by allowing over 150 watts on the 12 volt, meaning able to run a diesel heater. I still think it's cheap of Ecoflow to not supply a SOLAR charging cable with a SOLAR charging station! 😏 We greatly appreciate the time you put in for us. Be safe all!🙏
Hmmmmmm, tough decision! The Dabbsson was a good option but this one seems much more refined. I just heard that Pecron is coming out with a new E1000lfp with 1024wh and a ~2000w sized inverter. I'll be excited to see how it stacks up against these previous models.
@Jasonoid Oh wow! Thanks for telling me! I'll definitely be waiting for a while longer then. I just got the Pecron e1500lfp and absolutely LOVE it! I did take those Blaze Orange corner bumpers off and dyed them black with some Rit dye...So now I don't only LOVE it, I'm INFATUATED with it! Might just get me another 1500. Lol Thanks buddy!
Appreciate the video, but the power cutover isn't "three times faster". It's 66% faster. One times faster, would be instant. Three times faster, would be going back in time. Yea, I'm that guy.
Can you advise me? I have 2x LifePo4 Lithium batteries with 200AH. Can I attach solar panels directly to the batteries or do I need some kind of controller? I have 2x 200WT solar panals that I purchased with my solar generator. Any help would be appreciated.
Hello, love your videos. Can you please test delta 3 plus ups mode with higher loads? For example 500, 1000 and 1500 watt load. How does the station handel this load and will the transfer time change?
This is on the low end suitable for refrigerator during an outage. That is the justification I am looking for. That is my target for one of these and this would barely make the grade. Just a slight bit more power to run it, at least, through the night. I really like how they listen about design changes. Thanks Jason another great evaluation. Always good.
You are right, just like the Delta 2 and unlike the Delta 2 Max, the Delta 3 plus cannot support an extra battery and the powerstream at the same time, basically limiting your capacity to the 1024wh of the 3plus
Hmmmmm let's break it down.... the Delta 3 Plus has more solar charging and better USB ports. It also has much quieter fans and a faster UPS mode. I really like the ability to use the XT60i cable to charge fast off a 12v battery on the Delta 3 Plus, it was able to charge at 350w without any special converters. They both take expansion batteries, have good smart apps, and have 1800w inverters. The Anker is a little more compact on sizing vs the new Delta.
I wouldn't say I like the plugs on the front, but I might be an edge case. I use mine as an in-line backup (we lose power all the time) for my home theater system. So I like how the Delta 2 has the plugs in the back- it looks cleaner that way as mine is right next to my system, right next to my subwoofer, actually. I will never buy this as a replacement purely because of that -- which is a shame!
@@Jasonoid, if they made such a drastic design change, more people clearly expressed they prefer it on the front. I dont think they would change the main functionally without data to back it up. It's just a shame for people like me who use their products as a UPS/Backup for gear that is used in main living areas. Then again, I do not plan on replacing my Delta 2 anytime soon. Your video reviews on it helped me choose. Thanks for what you do for nerds like me! You are one of the best in this sector.
Yikes! That is some high idle usage on AC! When camping or helping at events, I would rather have a bigger battery, but a smaller inverter. The led lights are pulling less than 100 watts, but need them to run all night long. For some events that is two nights and in the forest, solar isn't a great option under the leaves.
Yeah, kinda interesting the AC idle power usage is higher than the previous gen. Maybe a firmware update could fix that? My unit is a pre-production unit so keep that in mind.
The high AC idle consumption and the low DC output kill it for me, but thanks as always for your thorough review. A video idea: Best PPS for camping vrs. best PPS for home backup. Which would you choose for each?
Pecron E1500LFP is great for camping. It's a good size with 1500wh and the 30 amp DC output! It's got some decent solar too! Best home backup option is the Ecoflow Delta Ultra hands down! The Bluetti AC500 and Pecron E3600LFP, and Anker F3800 are all good contenders too. Can't forget the EF Delta Pro 3 either! Haha
I agree, the comparison and competition exposes their quality of marketing. As demonstrated with this new product this would have been a great power station with all the features You showed, especially in regards to combinations of DC, solar input and fast charging while also the price is attractive for a small size power station,. Also there are some mayor improvements on the inverter side which give this power station much more use for realistic situations, but with the more than disappointing DC output features it´s just another piece of garbage. THXs for the comprehensive review
Piece of garbage? I respectfully disagree... That would mean all other units in this same category are also garbage since they also are lacking high DC output.
@@Jasonoid I assume by now all those manufacturers know their customers very well and what their products are used for. It´s all over the internet. Even some profesional reviewers talk about it and have sent them recommendations but they are still trying to insult our intelligence. I hope soon one manufacturer comes up with products for customers and takes out a BIG BITE of their market share. Till then I guess some guys like me will add some fire to the garbage
@@Jasonoid you can find the instruction on the product page on the footnote, you need to do some step and if i read it properly it might not be available right now but maybe next month? little obscure
@@webbieuk I'd recommend using your own separate lights for that purpose. These aren't meant to charge 12v batteries. This will run leds lights a long time 👍
Seems like a nice price and it sounds like it has pretty good feature set. But, the capacities of the battery and inverter are all out of whack for my use case. Namely, emergency backup power during outages. For that, I'd much prefer having twice the battery, coupled to half the inverter capacity. Sure, you couldn't run "big" loads, but the unloaded inverter wouldn't empty the battery in 30 hours either. As a happy middle ground, an inverter sized to drain the battery in one hour would also be okay, and that seems like a common combo. This unit seems designed to run some power tools for an hour or two. Which is a plausible use case, just not one I foresee needing.
I agree. It's a lightweight portable device meant to power larger loads for a short period or smaller loads for longer. If you need something larger and stationary the Ecoflow Delta Pro 3 and Delta Pro Ultra are their larger options.
Jason, great review! Will the Renogy 400w suitcase panel you reviewed work on one of the Delta 3 Plus generator xt60 ports? I think it will but would like your feedback. Thanks!
PROS: Quieter fans, double the solar/dc input, higher powered USB ports, accepts expansion batteries, fully adjustable AC charging speed in the app. CONS: Slightly smaller battery than the AC180, slightly more expensive, no wireless charging.
Great vid. I actually hit the bell on you. 👍🏽 I love how the Delta Pro 3 battery can expand you to ~5 Kw. If only it could do the same with my delta 2.
When are you going to test the alternator charger by ecoflow? When you were charging the new Delta 3plus with your 12v battery box, you should be able to use the alternator charger to charge at 800w. Please review it.
800w is too much for most vehicles (unless you have a big truck with dual alternators). My truck and SUV pretty much max out at 500w and I wouldn't want to go much higher. Using the Xt60i cables give you 350 watts without any additional accessories. I'll get around to the Ecoflow charger someday, there's like a hundred videos on it already...
@@Tina-zz2lw you can adjust it to a certain wattage and see when your battery voltage starts dropping. Luckily the alternator charger is fully adjustable.
The game goes on ! Well, this is a welcome upgrade. I'm looking at the Bluetti competition as I need a mid size for my portable compressor fridge , to get frozen blueberries back from Costco to 100 miles out in the desert and my little ones run out of power ! So the competition appears to be the AC180 for $550. that has 1152 wh , 1800w inverter, and 500 watt dc input .... its 100 bucks less and will do the job...... keep at it Ecoflow !
There are lots of options in the category. You do have to pay more for the better features (double the solar charging, expansion battery support and upgraded USBc ports).
Just buy a LiTime Mini (normally around $250 and 19lbs) at 1280wh and run your fridge via DC directly from that. No parasitic loses from DC regulation or an AC inverter from one of these power stations.
I use barrel plugs to connect my solar panels to my Bluetti 55 and 70 (which I was shocked to see on your spreadsheet now have terrible ratings!). I don't do wiring so what would I need to purchase that has the kind of plugs required by this EcoFlow? Thank you, Jason.
The scoring sheet is very scrict and older units don't fair well. It depends what solar panels you are using. If you have a solar panel with MC4 connections, all you need is an MC4 to XT60 adapter and you can charge this one.
@@Jasonoid Thank you! When do you think the EcoFlow Delta 3 Plus extra batteries will be available? Everything I see now is for the Delta Pro and very expensive. And last question, are the extra batteries charged the same way as the main unit?
Excellent review, thank you! Can you connect more than one expansion battery to it? I do like that it's backwards compatible. Definitely going to be another workhorse unit for sure. Love all the updates and the quiet fans. I've had to call customer service last year and they were on to of the issue I was having with my older Delta 13 and stayed on the phone to walk me through trying to get it working again with no avail. They email a return FedEx label that day and sent me a replacement within a week. Very pleased. Bluetti doesn't even come close but came through several times but take easy longer. Anyway thanks for your great reviews.
Good feedback about their customer support, thanks for sharing. As for the expansion port, theres only one on this unit so you can only connect one battery.
@@Jasonoid Good to know. I'm waiting for this tech to get to the point that I can run a small PA and live band on one for 3-4 hrs. Like at a street festival or farmers market. It feels like we are getting close. Hopefully in the next 2 or 3 yrs.
Jason - I have been researching a lot and my question is - Which Ecoflow, of these 3, would serve me best for my needs: Delta Pro 3, Delta Pro Plus, Delta Pro Ultra. What i want is a power backup (in case of power outage) for my 1250 sq ft home. Something to run my fridge, some outlets, home electronic devices, possibly my Air handler (Heat) and well pump, (maybe not constant for these 2). I can not think of a reason i would ever use it mobile. Just for my home power. (I have very bright sunlight and a lot of it daily for solar panels) I am very interested to know what you suggest. Thank you!
Is your well pump 240v? If so you'll want either the Delta Pro 3 or the Delta Pro Ultra. If you intend to invest in a bunch of batteries and solar the Ultra is the way to go. It's not portable at all but it's the best of the best right now. They have some great sales on their 6kwh batteries too (watch during black friday). The Delta Pro 3 is a good alternative if you just need something for shorter power outages. Packs a lot of power but not quite as powerful and expandable as the Ultra.
Great review! Glad to see those 140 watt PD ports and the 2 separate MPPT solar controllers as well. EcoFlow is really going all out with updating their entire line of power stations. I saw a review of one of the new River 3 series where the AC efficiency for loads of 100 watts was almost 95%! I guess to make the Delta 3 plus perfect, it would need two battery connectors and a 30 amp DC output, but they are 95% there. EcoFlow is also supposed to launch a new product starting today. Wonder what it will be? I suggested the EcoFlow MicroWAVE on their channel and got a few laughs:)
I agree, EcoFlow needs to allow for more DC output! Even if it was just a 15 amp output I'd be happy, just need 150 watts! An XT60 15 amp port would give us about 180 watts. I think it's their new 3000 smart generator. Johnny's Weekends has been testing that out and he put out his video on that today.
AC idle consumption so high. I calculated 630wh for 24h. Delta2 uses only 200wh. I’m in Ukraine and it’s very crucial when powering fridge, wifi and lights 24/7
Yes, it's a little higher than previous gen but it's not too bad though. The 1000w of solar is worth the upgrade IMO.
@@Jasonoidbig thanks for your review with every small detail.
Being a newer product I foresee this being adjusted in future updates. This happened with the River series.
@@Jasonoid thats terrible, as bad as the old starlink
Can you test your delta 2 again? I'm pretty sure mine uses idle 25wh per hour.
I did a continuity test on my EcoFlow XT-60i cables, The solar cable ties the signal pin to the ground which enables the full current, the 12v cable ties the signal pin to the hot which limits the current to the car charging current set in the app. If you made your own cable (with appropriate wire gauge) hardwired to your battery you could charge at around 400w assuming your alternator can keep it's voltage high under a 30 amp load.
350 watts is what I saw while testing with both charging ports @12v in the video. I like the ability to use the Xt60i cables for high amperage.
Eco flow delta 3 plus extra battery please show more test it out on TH-cam videos
Some very nice improvements on this one, but come on Ecoflow give us 30A on the DC side!
Pretty please! 👍
My original Delta 2 stopped charging via car charger 12v. After returning 3 times it remains broke. Solar charging no problem. Customer service has been responsive.
3 times! That's crazy!
@@Jasonoid Extremely annoying to go to FedEx Ground. Customer service does respond within 48 hours. Also… great review. I appreciate your work on a wide variety of options and products.
@@Jasonoid keep sending folk refurbed ones with the same faulty part replaced lol
Thank you Jason for the awesome review. I was patiently waiting on this to make a decision on a small/medium power station too run a small TV and camera equipment. I think this will be awesome.
It's a very well designed product! The silent fans are a huge plus too!
doubt need this much power for that
Disappointed all these companies limit the solar input voltage to 60V, impossible to do a 3S setup. Those newpowa panels jason have been discontinued for the past year. The only panel that comes close is the Calpha 200w VOC@ 20.1V. The flipside 1000w solar for 2 inputs is a nice trade off. Kudos to ecoflow for allowing the compatibility with the previous models expanadion battery's.
Luckily they allow 15 amps so doing a 2S2P config isn't horrible. If you picked up some affordable 150w to 175w panels, wired them in a 2S config you could get the 500w. The other option would be to find some residential panels locally, 275w to 350w for really cheap and wire those in parallel together on each port. With a portable unit like this I'd probably use one port for car charging with the XT60i cable for 185w and solar on the roof.
I'm interested in using 2x 300w panels on a delta max2 whenever I can buy it.ty@@Jasonoid
You can do a 2S 5P solar array with JN 100w panels
Nice review my delta 3+ just got delivered today
I hope you like it!
@@Jasonoid thanks its my 4th unit, to go with my delta mini, delta 1300 and delta 2.....
Do you have a link to the solor panel used in the testing. Didn't see anything in the description.
@@MrSuperman258401 which panels? The Newpowa or the BougeRV?
I’m glad I bought the version 2 I really like my plugs coming out the back I don’t want the AC plugs in the front. While I can see the front being useful in some instances but I don’t travel with them much so The outlets being in the back are a plus.
I guess it's just personal preference. Most people didn't like the AC plugs on the back of the previous model (including me). Either way still works.
See I prefer the front. I keep my batteries on a server rack style storage. So quickly being able to plug in things works better for me. Guess it depends on the use case.
What can you charge during power outages
Ordered mine before YT creators released any videos. Glad I made the right choice. I’m curious how the charging on this will work with the EF alternator charging system that I bought as well?
Should work as advertised, it connects to the battery expansion port.
Isn't the Bluetti AC180 similar in spec but much cheaper? Just saw it yesterday for $499. Would be interested in hearing how these differ from one another. Thanks.
Yes, it's similar, but if you want higher USB output, double the solar charging, and much quieter fans this is the one to go with 👍
who needs usb outputs that much a unit this size better to just a get a smaller powerbank. eco flow milking folk with the prices lets be real. dont make them poor, but they are expensive
I appreciate that he was indepth on this unit but now im going to look into the one you suggested. I just need something for my food trailer to power my security system and alarm when its not in use. so I will look into this one for sure. BuT JASONOID you did a good job especially with the back up battery because the mdoel3 is expensive.
Looks good hopefully they have solid after sales support their website is really spammy and way too many pop ups. An awful experience for buyers researching these units. The full capacity test results are awful I would hope for at least 90% of the rated capacity! I’m waiting to see what they do with the D3 Max and their portable panels here in a few months. I had their 200w panel and returned it because the kickstand was awful to setup and breakdown at every campsite not to mention the non adjustable legs. I’m leaning more heavily towards anker panels and stations at the moment.
Almost no all in one power stations are even 90. In fact a good unit hits 82+ percent.
Sounds like you dont understand how these systems work.
@@erikkuhlemeyer9402 Anker 767 measured 91.7% of its 2k capacity. Sounds like you don’t understand how these systems work.
@@Armenian I mean, good for them? I’m telling you I follow the industry. 90% is almost unfounded. Anything over 82 is good. It’s just how these things work. Shit brands barely get 70%
@@erikkuhlemeyer9402 I mean, okay, cool story bro. Thats just like, your opinion man. You do you and spend your money on “lower capacity then advertised” power stations.
@@Armenian didn’t say I buy them. I follow this market pretty close. If what you say about the 737 is true then awesome. But I’m telling you, in terms of portable power stations, anything over 80/82 is a win. It’s a good conversion rate.
Keep in mind this unit literally just came out. Mine arrived yesterday. With updates I would expect to see increases in that efficiency.
Pity it's unavailable in the UK...! (perhaps at a future date, probably just before another version comes to market)...
Yep. It should be available there in the future, just like previous models.
@@Jasonoid Thanks for your detailed input, it's always well received...
Jasanoid - tell Me please about this newest Delta - I am interested in UPS - I want to run my PC that is about 1 Kw/h (crypto mining) from this Delta - how does it works out if this goes to discharge while Pc connected to this Delta - will this Delta charge up from Solar same time while using PC and while there is a plenty of Sun outside un Sunny day or charging up Delta 3 does not work while smething is connected to to this Delta 3 outlet / socket - or can use it and same time charging Delta?? Can it withstand such constant heavy crypto mining load on daily basis? Plus - how does in this case scenario will that UPS function work??
I wish I knew how to mine
Why not just use an UPS?
UPS mode only applies if you have it charging from the AC wall cable. If you are charging from solar only, you don't need to worry about UPS mode. This unit will dual charge with AC and solar at the same time though. Crypto machines pull a bunch of power, usually you need a very large battery / inverter setup to run crypto setups off solar.
@@Jasonoid I do plan to run miners while Sun is shining in daytime - I do not want to run miners from my AC - obviously because I need a profit and not a loss - at my point where I am based - with 18 cents per kw/h (0.18 USD) only Sun is profitable for crypto miners and I do love mining because it is so much fun to do so!! I am looking for these AIO Solar systems where all are included and all is just plug&play system - just plug Solar panels to this Delta (I plan to buy these Delta) and just plug my crypto miners to this Delta - so simple like "Sun goes in - Money comes out" principle. I have zero knowledge of Solar systems how to build ones so i want all simple. But same time this one simple makes Me a lot of question -as you mentioned that I do not need to worry about UPS mode while charging from Solar - WHY ?? - just look at that - In days when Sun goes behind clouds - the generated electricity fluctuates - that mean - if Sun is no charging batteries - then where else my miner will gets electricity - when Sun is behind the clouds - ? - so that means by logic Delta's UPS should kick in while Sun is not charging batteries of Delta and Delta should function as UPS same time as backup - because my thoughts are that if there are overcurrent while Sun is shining - that overcurrent or let's say "too much generated electricity" should go directly to my crypto miner while batteries of Delta are full. Can it do that this Delta???
@@frp1276 Because running crypto miners from AC are not profitable. Sun is only profitable. So that mean - crypto miner should run only from Sunlight.
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TH-cam bots can't respond to comments, correct?
Meh! My Amazon purchase gives back 5% on all my purchases. You can do better! Let's see 25% next time. 😂
I sold my Delta 2 and bought myself a Delta 3 plus. Ecoflow did it right by putting all the ports in the front.
The 649 sale price was perfect.
I bought a killer deal last week on a Delta 2 Max with the alternator charger for 699.00😮 It was a 6 hour lightning sale.
I sold this too and bought the Delta Pro 3.
Delta 2 Max is not 30% Federal tax credit eligible.
Delta Pro 3 does qualify for the Federal tax credit. I get 900 dollars back on my 2024 tax refund. 😊
Amazon has a good discount price on it.
I can't get anything for selling power stations in my area. I have to sell them at 50% off to even get them out the door....lucky!
@@Jasonoid so youre selling a 3 with 50% off? :/
Was this on Amazon as well? Haven’t seen the Delta 2 Max priced that low before. Been tracking it and lowest I’ve seen is ~$1100. If that’s true, that’s a hell of a deal!
@@dave-xe6pc
The lightning sale was 9-16-24 midnight to 6am. $1499 with $800 dollars off coupon There are comments on Reddit
@@dave-xe6pc its twice the price for twice the solra panel input, thats is not a good deal
Unfortunately it’s so much cheaper because it’s half the size.
Huh? The Delta 2 is the exact size and spec...
1000 watts of solar! That's double what the competition offers! I love that you can fast charge off a 12v battery using those XT60i cables, nice hack!
Great review. I like this unit better than any other EcoFlow so far. I especially like the solar input changes, although I do not like the dual input on the MAX, because I can not feed 1000w into it through 1000watts of panels connected in serial. I really like the low idle drain on DC with this unit. You pointed out where this did not score a perfect 10 because of the DC not being able to hit 150w for diesel heaters. One different use case is that I wish each DC output were separate so I can run 2 DC electric blankets. I guess this could also be solved by a higher total output. The thought is that I want more DC output for more freezer, CPAP, and electric blankets. I am still quite bothered that EcoFlow does not include solar cables anymore. It would not cost them that much to include it and will cost me more to buy one. They are going to the extra cost of improving solar input, so obviously they believe people care about solar. Thanks again for another great review.
You could probably get away with using a 12v splitter and running two DC electric blankets, they only pull around 50 watts each so that would be near 100w total. I hope someday they put a higher DC output on their smaller models.... I'd be happy with a 15 to 20 amp port, good for 180w to 230w or something :)
Great review and a lot of important information on the new Ecoflow Delta 3 Plus.
I'm looking forward to the new non-Plus Delta 3 compared to this one.
I'd be interested to see how it stands up in price. The non plus model doesn't have 1000w solar nor the 140w usb ports. It should still be fairly similar though.
@@Jasonoid I'm not so interested in the 1,000W solar and USB ports. I obtain more than enough power already via my Ecoflow bifacial Solar panels or the Ecoflow 800W alternator charger. Both the Plus and normal versions don't differ in their charging via the Ecoflow alternator, so I'm more interested in the price. If it's a lot cheaper than the Plus version then that's more likely what I'll go for. The smaller Plus extra battery is nice, but the original Delta 2 extra batteries have already dropped dramatically and the Refurbished ones are less than half price.
@@Globetrotter-1 the biggest upgrade in my opinion are the fans! They are hardly noticeable. The older Delta 2 fans are so loud. It's such a good change!
@@Jasonoid Yes, that would be a bonus, although the Delta 2 fans rarely turn on when it's powering the fridge in my car and I sleep close to it all year. The 12V compressor fridge/freezer actually makes more noise, but thankfully it's only a gentle purr and only for a few minutes per hour. So the quieter Ecoflow Plus wouldn't make any difference unless I bought a quieter fridge! 😂
Great test as always. Wonder how long it will be before we see a Delta 3 max?
after everyones bought one of these black friday obviously
@PazLeBon is that what they did with the Delta 2 max and River 2 pro? Seems that you just woke up today and decided to be a fu**ing prick for no reason?
Dont mind him, he's a little grumpy today lol... I don't have any word about the Delta 3 Max, unfortunately . I hope they plan on releasing one with similar upgrades.... Maybe 150v solar input? We can hope it would have the same solar as the DP3, 1600w 150voc! I asked about it and they didn't give me any clues it was coming out soon.
@@Jasonoid me? lol maybe a little. was gonna add a delta 2 but more solar would be useful but they have pretty much doubled the price for double the solar input and that feels like a grab.. so now i don't want the delta 2 and can get much higher capacity for far less money. The website, spam, points nonsene etc is also offputting, like aimed at teenage gamers
Finally, I've been wanting to buy this unit but was waiting for either you or Hobotech to give it a proper test and review.
Thanks for checking out the video!
So if I understand this correctly. With the addition of the dual charging inputs, If I use two XT60i charging cables connected to my 12v vehicle accessory plugs I will achieve 350w charging power which would be approx. 100w less than if I was using the Pecron smart 500w charger? With only a 100w difference, it seems like this would be the better and easier route to go comparing these two scenarios?
Correct, it's an awesome setup!
@@Jasonoidnewbie here but how is this wired to a 12v cigarette lighter outlet? Would you have to make your own plug?
Good review Jason!. Much better unit than D2.
Great tests & review. Really useful. Thanks.
👍 Nice job, thanks. I would guess that they don't add 30A is because it would take a ton of sales away from the Pro, $$$. I would buy one this size with 30A over the full, heavy Pro, and they know it.
I'd be happy with 150 watts from the 12v cig port. It would be even better if they threw in a 15 amp XT60 or a 20 amp XT output and it would be golden. It doesn't need to be the full 30 amp output.
@@Jasonoid All that would be nice for sure. I personally would use the 30 amp socket to plug in my small RV and dual run my 24v battery bank into the XT60 ports.
Agree it would be nice to have TT-30 outlet on a smaller unit like this.
As always Mr. Jason, great video. Love this new Delta 3. If I ever bought it I could finally use my 2 Ecoflow 160W solar panels and my 2 Ecoflow 220W bifacial panels on the same unit. I love this size unit with the 1800W inverter as I own 2 Delta 2's. My ideal unit would be one with a 1500W or 1800W inverter and a 2KW battery capacity. I believe this would make for a better efficient unit that would be able to run a full size residential unit for a minimum of 24 hours straight during an emergency where running everything else is not important but just being able to keep food from spoiling as many will experience around the coastal areas during hurricanes or other major Mother Nature disasters. Keep up the great work.
Thanks for taking the time to watch my video, I always like to hear from my long time subscribers!
Can you perform the same UPS test with the old Delta 2? I ask because I believe a firmware update dropped it to 15ms.
In this video below I tested 19.8ms after the firmware update, still not quite fast enough for most desktops under a load:
th-cam.com/video/opBLpcOWV0w/w-d-xo.html
It's better than the original 30ms, but not near 10ms to keep all electronics running.
@@Jasonoid Thank you 🙏
huge step up in price tho too, , some of the non brands are half that
It's priced at $649? What brand is $375 with actual quality? I test all these units, trust me, you get what you pay for...
@@Jasonoid sure, always that caveat of being in EU and we are way pricier for this brand. 750 euros on offer for delta 2, often 1k and this penciled at 1200eu :)
@@Jasonoid i do take on board what you say and never disrespectful i hope ;) But by that token some things will frustrate me cos they could make these products will all the features rather than bringing them out in steps like an iphone :)
This may be a dumb question, but it won't be my first or last...
If one of the charge controllers malfuncted for some reason, would the other one work correctly, or are they connected some how?🤔
My Delta 3 Plus exhibits a high pitched hiss when AC charging between 600W - 1500W. When I sent EcoFlow a video they said that it was abnormal and sent me a return label. Does yours make any sound other than soft fan noise while charging? The fans are super quiet, but the transformer charging noise is unnerving frequency wise even though it's not loud.
No noises on my Delta 3 Plus unit while AC charging. I have seen that before with other power stations though.
@@Jasonoid Good to hear that the AC charging hiss is not endemic, thanks. Another issue I had was overheating at 136F battery temp when running a 1450W heater from 100% to 0% and refused to charge for 1.5 hours; the battery was already warm from fast charging just before. A room battery temp rerun of the same test reached 122F, which is right under their 125F limit. My power meter showed 955Wh the first time, 912Wh the second time; which is really good. Inverter self-consumption is around 35-40W an hour in my rough estimate and is really high. The UPS feature on this thing is amazing, my desktop was chugging along no matter what I did with power input.
whew thank you for showing that you can use the back up battery for the model 2 because the battery model 3 is just too expensive damm!
Delta 2 owner here. Overall nice improvement but really wish they increased the solar voltage range to allow higher VDC, up to 200VDC would be awesome
200vdc would be epic! Maybe on their future larger units! These small portable units are guaranteed to have 60v limits unfortunately.
Another reason I chose the Pecron e1500lfp.
For about the same price...
12-18 v and 32-95 volt solar inputs.
2200 watt inverter.
1536 Wh.
I've had it only about a week and absolutely love it.
Only thing, it is a little heavy at 40 lbs.
Thank you for sharing. How do you charge the delta 3 and how long it takes to fully charge before you can use it
This video is amazing and exactly what I was looking for.
Will be even better in a few years when they move over to solid state batteries. The days of having to be connected to the grid under the stranglehold of big utility companies are well & truly numbered.
Yep, each year the products get better and better.
True, I see Dabbsson has been using semi solid...stating 15 years and 4,500 cycles.
@@YouLookinAtMe-Bro semi solid state LFP batteries aren't really a thing. I'd take that with a grain of salt. I mean.... If you search for Semi Solid State LFP batteries on the internet nothing comes up.
Still only 1000 watts … 😩. Been waiting for EF to upgrade the Delta 2 to compete in watt hours with the bluetti 180p at 1400-1500 wh’s. Really like the new improvements but missed the mark not getting to ~1500wh
Maybe something like the Pecron E1500LFP will work for you?
@@Jasonoid Thanks for the recommendation to the Pecron. That is also towards the top of my list - AC180p, Pecron e1500lfp, Ecoflow Delta 3 Plus - or just keep lugging around my AC200p until my personal unicorn arrives (i.e. EF bumps the wh on D3+)
Get the delta 2 max.
No works for powerstream 👎👎👎👎
I'm not sure, if the power stream used the extra battery port I'm not sure why it wouldn't work.
@@Jasonoid see no connexion powerstream !!
Very thorough review, well done 👍
This video is just great! This variant is 10/10 for me, I don't care about the 150W output for the DC plugs. The review is comprehensive and according to my needs and expectations. I particularly love the discussion on solar charging with the solar panels.
Thanks for watching!
So I can get the old models much cheaper? Probably not
Yes, the Delta 2 is cheaper now!
Funny how all the TH-camrs have the same vid titles, almost same wording on these videos. It's clear that EcoFlow is providing scripts. "Huge upgrades" on essentially the same machines as prior models. I'm sure they are nice units, just don't deserve the hype.
No scripts were provided from EcoFlow actually, the other channels just copied my video I guess???... since I posted first 😂👍
-Double the solar input, from 500w to 1000w
-Two upgraded 140w USBc ports
-UPS is 10ms, vs 30ms
-Fans are silent! Huge upgrade alone...
Way more upgrades than what iPhone touts each year with their iPhones (yet everyone praises them for not making any serious changes)
Please do a test of the HID output function that is new in the Delta 3 Plus. While in UPS mode, the left hand USB-C port can be connected to a network attached storage device, a computer, or some firewalls to allow the peripheral to shut down before the power station runs out of power. Basically, the peripheral should see the specifications of the Delta 3 Plus like a UPS.
Wouldn't that require a special app for communication on the computer? The owners manual doesn't mention anything like that so I'm not sure my preproduction unit has that functionality yet.
Great review! Love seeing EcoFlow's improvements with the Delta 3 Plus. Thanks for the detailed breakdown and tests! 🔋
No problem 👍
The i in XT60i stands for "Information". That extra pin is not for extra power. Ratings for both are typically the same, but could vary depending on manufacturer.
Correct, through wiring configuration on the plug, it allows for a higher amperage input limit on the power station. The third pin doesn't pass power through it, it's a communication protocol. Without the XT60i plug, you are limited to 8 amps and with it you can get the full 15 amps.
Thanks for the great review as always!
I just about had my mind made up to get the Dabbsson dbs1000 pro, but now this has me wondering.
I remember the comparison video you with the 3 you mentioned, but also one with the dbs, and it came out ahead because it did the one thing that this didn't, by allowing over 150 watts on the 12 volt, meaning able to run a diesel heater.
I still think it's cheap of Ecoflow to not supply a SOLAR charging cable with a SOLAR charging station! 😏
We greatly appreciate the time you put in for us.
Be safe all!🙏
Hmmmmmm, tough decision! The Dabbsson was a good option but this one seems much more refined. I just heard that Pecron is coming out with a new E1000lfp with 1024wh and a ~2000w sized inverter. I'll be excited to see how it stacks up against these previous models.
@Jasonoid
Oh wow! Thanks for telling me!
I'll definitely be waiting for a while longer then.
I just got the Pecron e1500lfp and absolutely LOVE it!
I did take those Blaze Orange corner bumpers off and dyed them black with some Rit dye...So now I don't only LOVE it, I'm INFATUATED with it!
Might just get me another 1500. Lol
Thanks buddy!
Appreciate the video, but the power cutover isn't "three times faster". It's 66% faster. One times faster, would be instant. Three times faster, would be going back in time.
Yea, I'm that guy.
It went from 30ms to 10ms, thats all that matters 🤣👍
Can you advise me? I have 2x LifePo4 Lithium batteries with 200AH. Can I attach solar panels directly to the batteries or do I need some kind of controller?
I have 2x 200WT solar panals that I purchased with my solar generator. Any help would be appreciated.
That's a bit complicated for a youtube comment, feel free to reach out here for more in depth consulting: asqme.com/@Jasonoid
When are we gonna get Anderson DC outputs on a Ecoflow Powerstation!!??
I think an XT60 or XT90 port would be better for a high DC output.... but I feel the same way, I want at least 15 amps for the DC output!
Hello, love your videos. Can you please test delta 3 plus ups mode with higher loads? For example 500, 1000 and 1500 watt load. How does the station handel this load and will the transfer time change?
I've tested up to 500w without a change. I'll have to try more wattage.
This is on the low end suitable for refrigerator during an outage. That is the justification I am looking for. That is my target for one of these and this would barely make the grade. Just a slight bit more power to run it, at least, through the night. I really like how they listen about design changes. Thanks Jason another great evaluation. Always good.
13 hour runtime for a full sized fridge is decent. Add some solar and you could get much longer runtimes.
Lots of great detailed information.
Glad it was helpful!
You look closer with the fan test on the old to the new
Very big difference in sound
Not sure if you are familiar with Ecoflow PowerStream but does this main unit cannot host the extra battery and the PowerStream at the same time?
The power stream is for Europe right? Basically feeding power into your wall outlet to keep your house power usage down?
You are right, just like the Delta 2 and unlike the Delta 2 Max, the Delta 3 plus cannot support an extra battery and the powerstream at the same time, basically limiting your capacity to the 1024wh of the 3plus
What do you like more the Eco flow delta three or the anchor C 1000❓
Hmmmmm let's break it down....
the Delta 3 Plus has more solar charging and better USB ports. It also has much quieter fans and a faster UPS mode. I really like the ability to use the XT60i cable to charge fast off a 12v battery on the Delta 3 Plus, it was able to charge at 350w without any special converters.
They both take expansion batteries, have good smart apps, and have 1800w inverters.
The Anker is a little more compact on sizing vs the new Delta.
I got the f3800 and have a referral code but yeah the ecoflow d3plus is slick. I appreciate your videos man! Thx 🙏🏼
@@PrestoMoto02 I just purchased the EG4 chargeverter to test on the F3800! I hope it works as an alternate charging option to keep the 240v enabled!
@@Jasonoid🔥 can’t wait to see that!
the wh rating is too low......
To be portable, the internal battery cant be too large or heavy. They make much larger models if you need something bigger. This is a portable option.
Great review. I really value your testing and evaluations. Could I expand the capacity of the Delta 3 plus by connecting my 200 ah LiTime battery?
Of course! Connecting dual Xt60i cables to your battery will allow you to charge at about 350 watts!
@@Jasonoid Do I need an inline fuse? Thanks. Bill
I wouldn't say I like the plugs on the front, but I might be an edge case. I use mine as an in-line backup (we lose power all the time) for my home theater system. So I like how the Delta 2 has the plugs in the back- it looks cleaner that way as mine is right next to my system, right next to my subwoofer, actually. I will never buy this as a replacement purely because of that -- which is a shame!
Having the plugs on the back for your current setup sure works well. I guess each person has a different use case.
@@Jasonoid, if they made such a drastic design change, more people clearly expressed they prefer it on the front. I dont think they would change the main functionally without data to back it up. It's just a shame for people like me who use their products as a UPS/Backup for gear that is used in main living areas. Then again, I do not plan on replacing my Delta 2 anytime soon. Your video reviews on it helped me choose. Thanks for what you do for nerds like me! You are one of the best in this sector.
Yikes! That is some high idle usage on AC! When camping or helping at events, I would rather have a bigger battery, but a smaller inverter. The led lights are pulling less than 100 watts, but need them to run all night long. For some events that is two nights and in the forest, solar isn't a great option under the leaves.
Yeah, kinda interesting the AC idle power usage is higher than the previous gen. Maybe a firmware update could fix that? My unit is a pre-production unit so keep that in mind.
The new River 3 series claims to perform better under 100W. I’m waiting for someone to test that.
@@Jasonoid it was over 15 watts on the ac180 etc
The high AC idle consumption and the low DC output kill it for me, but thanks as always for your thorough review. A video idea: Best PPS for camping vrs. best PPS for home backup. Which would you choose for each?
Pecron E1500LFP is great for camping. It's a good size with 1500wh and the 30 amp DC output! It's got some decent solar too!
Best home backup option is the Ecoflow Delta Ultra hands down! The Bluetti AC500 and Pecron E3600LFP, and Anker F3800 are all good contenders too. Can't forget the EF Delta Pro 3 either! Haha
@@Jasonoid What no video? 🤣
I agree, the comparison and competition exposes their quality of marketing. As demonstrated with this new product this would have been a great power station with all the features You showed, especially in regards to combinations of DC, solar input and fast charging while also the price is attractive for a small size power station,. Also there are some mayor improvements on the inverter side which give this power station much more use for realistic situations, but with the more than disappointing DC output features it´s just another piece of garbage.
THXs for the comprehensive review
Piece of garbage? I respectfully disagree... That would mean all other units in this same category are also garbage since they also are lacking high DC output.
@@Jasonoid thay are average but priced more than average so garbage has a perspective
@@Jasonoid I assume by now all those manufacturers know their customers very well and what their products are used for. It´s all over the internet. Even some profesional reviewers talk about it and have sent them recommendations but they are still trying to insult our intelligence. I hope soon one manufacturer comes up with products for customers and takes out a BIG BITE of their market share. Till then I guess some guys like me will add some fire to the garbage
you can't afford it, that's why you're mad
Dang it why did i pay $700 for mine and two weeks later its $50 cheaper?? Gess ill get mine 1 day sooner thanks ecoflow.
Reach out to support, they should have a 30 day price match 👍
@Jasonoid hopefully I'll get mine sooner than most it's already shipped out so if I get mine before October 30 I will let it slide.
you forgot to mention the HID on the usb c output on the left side which is a nice addition, monitoring the UPS from a PC
How does that function? I saw the icon but the owners manual didn't mention anything about that feature.
@@Jasonoid you can find the instruction on the product page on the footnote, you need to do some step and if i read it properly it might not be available right now but maybe next month? little obscure
I like the upgrade but i’ll stick with my Delta 2 for now!
Kinda like the iPhone, gotta wait a couple years to make the upgrade worth it haha
Dual solar inputs may already be worth the upgrade. Really hoping there’s a Delta 3 Max on the roadmap with at least 2kW of capacity.
How many amps are the AC sockets rated for?
20 amps, 2400w
@@Jasonoid Thanks. If I'm not mistaken, the Delta 2 sockets are rated for 10 amps, right?
Great review Jason. You cover every possible thing. Nobody will have a question after watching your reviews
Thanks, Todd! It's a ton of testing but it's worth it! 👍
Can the 12v outlet be connected to car battery under hood to use car lights
Can you explain what you want to do in a little more detail?
@Jasonoid yes so if camping . Can power bank . Be connected to car battery. So car interiors lights can be used without draining starter battery.
@@webbieuk I'd recommend using your own separate lights for that purpose. These aren't meant to charge 12v batteries. This will run leds lights a long time 👍
Seems like a nice price and it sounds like it has pretty good feature set. But, the capacities of the battery and inverter are all out of whack for my use case. Namely, emergency backup power during outages. For that, I'd much prefer having twice the battery, coupled to half the inverter capacity. Sure, you couldn't run "big" loads, but the unloaded inverter wouldn't empty the battery in 30 hours either. As a happy middle ground, an inverter sized to drain the battery in one hour would also be okay, and that seems like a common combo.
This unit seems designed to run some power tools for an hour or two. Which is a plausible use case, just not one I foresee needing.
I agree. It's a lightweight portable device meant to power larger loads for a short period or smaller loads for longer. If you need something larger and stationary the Ecoflow Delta Pro 3 and Delta Pro Ultra are their larger options.
Jason, great review! Will the Renogy 400w suitcase panel you reviewed work on one of the Delta 3 Plus generator xt60 ports? I think it will but would like your feedback. Thanks!
Yes, you can connect one to each port! 👍
Hey Jason great video I wonder how this New EF Delta3 compares to the Blueetti AC180?
PROS: Quieter fans, double the solar/dc input, higher powered USB ports, accepts expansion batteries, fully adjustable AC charging speed in the app.
CONS: Slightly smaller battery than the AC180, slightly more expensive, no wireless charging.
@@Jasonoid interesting thank you J
Great vid. I actually hit the bell on you. 👍🏽
I love how the Delta Pro 3 battery can expand you to ~5 Kw. If only it could do the same with my delta 2.
Thanks Tom for the support!
When are you going to test the alternator charger by ecoflow? When you were charging the new Delta 3plus with your 12v battery box, you should be able to use the alternator charger to charge at 800w. Please review it.
800w is too much for most vehicles (unless you have a big truck with dual alternators). My truck and SUV pretty much max out at 500w and I wouldn't want to go much higher. Using the Xt60i cables give you 350 watts without any additional accessories. I'll get around to the Ecoflow charger someday, there's like a hundred videos on it already...
@@JasonoidDo you think it would work with a Promaster with a 200 amp alternator?
@@Tina-zz2lw you can adjust it to a certain wattage and see when your battery voltage starts dropping. Luckily the alternator charger is fully adjustable.
The game goes on ! Well, this is a welcome upgrade. I'm looking at the Bluetti competition as I need a mid size for my portable compressor fridge , to get frozen blueberries back from Costco to 100 miles out in the desert and my little ones run out of power ! So the competition appears to be the AC180 for $550. that has 1152 wh , 1800w inverter, and 500 watt dc input .... its 100 bucks less and will do the job...... keep at it Ecoflow !
There are lots of options in the category. You do have to pay more for the better features (double the solar charging, expansion battery support and upgraded USBc ports).
Just buy a LiTime Mini (normally around $250 and 19lbs) at 1280wh and run your fridge via DC directly from that. No parasitic loses from DC regulation or an AC inverter from one of these power stations.
I use barrel plugs to connect my solar panels to my Bluetti 55 and 70 (which I was shocked to see on your spreadsheet now have terrible ratings!). I don't do wiring so what would I need to purchase that has the kind of plugs required by this EcoFlow? Thank you, Jason.
The scoring sheet is very scrict and older units don't fair well. It depends what solar panels you are using. If you have a solar panel with MC4 connections, all you need is an MC4 to XT60 adapter and you can charge this one.
@@Jasonoid Thank you! When do you think the EcoFlow Delta 3 Plus extra batteries will be available? Everything I see now is for the Delta Pro and very expensive. And last question, are the extra batteries charged the same way as the main unit?
Excellent review, thank you! Can you connect more than one expansion battery to it? I do like that it's backwards compatible. Definitely going to be another workhorse unit for sure. Love all the updates and the quiet fans. I've had to call customer service last year and they were on to of the issue I was having with my older Delta 13 and stayed on the phone to walk me through trying to get it working again with no avail. They email a return FedEx label that day and sent me a replacement within a week. Very pleased. Bluetti doesn't even come close but came through several times but take easy longer. Anyway thanks for your great reviews.
Good feedback about their customer support, thanks for sharing. As for the expansion port, theres only one on this unit so you can only connect one battery.
Ok thank you. It's good to know about battery options using the original Delta 2 battery too.👍
I thought that was my Apple G4 tower from 1999 for a second.
Anyone able to run a live band and PA off these units yet?
Tested clean on my amp, I don't see why not 👍
@@Jasonoid Good to know. I'm waiting for this tech to get to the point that I can run a small PA and live band on one for 3-4 hrs. Like at a street festival or farmers market.
It feels like we are getting close. Hopefully in the next 2 or 3 yrs.
Jason -
I have been researching a lot and my question is -
Which Ecoflow, of these 3, would serve me best for my needs:
Delta Pro 3, Delta Pro Plus, Delta Pro Ultra.
What i want is a power backup (in case of power outage) for my 1250 sq ft home. Something to run my fridge, some outlets, home electronic devices, possibly my Air handler (Heat) and well pump, (maybe not constant for these 2).
I can not think of a reason i would ever use it mobile. Just for my home power.
(I have very bright sunlight and a lot of it daily for solar panels)
I am very interested to know what you suggest.
Thank you!
I had been leaning towards the Ultra for the fact that i just want it for home power backup. And it seems to be geared toward that.
Is your well pump 240v? If so you'll want either the Delta Pro 3 or the Delta Pro Ultra. If you intend to invest in a bunch of batteries and solar the Ultra is the way to go. It's not portable at all but it's the best of the best right now. They have some great sales on their 6kwh batteries too (watch during black friday).
The Delta Pro 3 is a good alternative if you just need something for shorter power outages. Packs a lot of power but not quite as powerful and expandable as the Ultra.
I called crew who replaced my well pump. Awaiting callback with answer to if its 240V