Wow, thanks for the in-depth video Jason! I think this option is one of the best ones right now. It checks all the boxes I want in a larger 120v model!
Own the E600 and love it, was very close to ordering the E1500LFP but after seeing this the E3600 is hard to pass up. Thanks for the in depth video as usual, we've come to expect nothing less. Have a good one!
Last week during the Christmas sale ordered a Pecron e3600lfp system with a total of 9.2kWh (2-ep3000s 48v) paid a crazy $0.34 per Wh. I searched all the holiday sales and nothing compared. I have had an e600 for several years and have been following all the various system reviews. Very aware of the lack of customer support and some issues resolving defects and sometimes quality control but could not pass on such a great sale. Also jumped on the new PV300, 300w portable solar for $359. Living in the PNW solar, especially in the winter, is not reliable (I have 6.03kW rooftop solar that supplies 50+% of my yearly energy). It will be complimentary to my 2500w portable propane (dual fuel) generator/inverter that will be utilized to charge the system as needed in an extended outage. Looking forward to your testing of this new panel from Pecron. This system will be connected to a Reliance 30amp, 10 circuit transfer switch as well.
Yes, I really want split-phase output, without having to buy 2 units. I don't want the lights in my upstairs bathroom to not work, just because that particular circuit didn't make it in to my "critical loads" panel. I know I can't run *everything* in my home off a unit this size, but I'd like to be able to use small loads in any room of my house. Pass-thru charging is my other must-have. Nice to see that this unit has that.
If you don’t need split phase output, you can use a TT-30P to L14-30R (or whatever your transfer switch uses) adapter that wires both legs to the same 120V hot leg from the TT-30. This won’t work for any 240V loads (using hot to hot is 0V!) but it’ll energize both sides of your panel
They threw everything they had at it and made it stick. Nicely done. You are right about 240v outputs. So many features are non essential yet we base our buying decisions on it. For 99% of people and 99% of scenarios, this unit does everything we’d want it to.
I own 2 Ankers and 4 different Ecoflows. No Bluetti, no Pecron. What's turned into a "must have" for me is the ability of the Ecoflows to set a percentage above which it will only charge via solar. But if battery gets low enough it draws from AC. It appears this might have the same capability. In their user manual it shows you can set a "Battery Level at which AC charging stops in UPS mode". Can you confirm that if unit is plugged into AC but battery level is above the percentage you choose, it will not charge from AC. But as soon as it hits that level it draws just enough to keep it at that level?
Yes an absolute winner, but you know what I wish one of these power station companies would do? Start a trade-in program. I would love to trade in my Pecron E1500 for this model. If we can do that with cars, why not with power stations? I bet there are many people who would love a deal on a gently-used power station for a cheaper price. Refurbished models are good, and help recycle these things. Hopefully, as an influencer, you can influence the companies you work with to think about this. I think it would be wildly successful.
I am not exactly an influencer but did talk to the company to give engineers certain implemented suggestions as some other companies aswell. Check with BLUETTI for the program you ask about exist.
Another great and thorough review. This is for me the perfect setup, I need 240v for my well pump. $3,200 for 7200W and just over 6,000 Wh is a perfect fit for my budget.
Great video Jason. Seems like Pecron hit it out of the ball park with this unit. For me it checks all the boxes I ever wanted. Had this unit been out when I first got into buying solar power banks I would not have had all the different units. Because of the variety of units and the lack of knowledge I had then I bought solar panels for all of the units that were sold as packages. Pecron will allow all the variety of solar arrays that I own to be used which is great. Even better is the that their expansion batteries can be used independently and be charged by themselves too. Had I known about this unit 4 weeks ago I would have seriously considered buying it instead of the EG4 setup I'm getting. I don't need 240 as my needs are for temporary grid outages and all I need is enough power for the fridge a couple of lights and a window unit that can cool the bedroom at night for about 4 to 6 hours. Thanks for your video.
Shelley, Question for you: What are you going to do for EXTENDED power outages, i.e. days-on-end? With the current authoritarian political "Green New Deal" mindset of "ending all fossil fuels," you know those mega-outages are coming and will only increase.
@@danielschear556 I do have redundancies. For example I have 2 2200I generators that could power my batteries, one of them being the companion. I also own 4 12V Fridge/freezers where I can have hooked up to my Jackeries 500, each running a dometic fridge for 44 hours before charging. I've run them with the Jackery non stop for 3 weeks at one time using a 100w solar panel only. I alternate charging the Jackery every other day between them. I would transfer food from the residential fridge and freezer to my 12V. I have a set power and a Joytutus that would be my freezers. The Joytutus has been running as a freezer for 3 years non-stop. I also converted my generators to propane have 6 Jerry cans for ethanol free fuel. I had less stuff than I do now and survived 8 days without power/ or water during the freeze. Just getting ready to put up a small solar array of 1200 watts. Since the Freeze I have accumulated another 200 pounds of propane. I don't want to be off grid as I love air conditioning too much and financing a solar system that would provide me days of comfort with a/c would be astronomical especially since what I pay for electricity is pennies on the dollar. At my age my break even point would never come to be.
Pecron is smashing it! The power station market is about like the computer market. If you get one today, next month or next year, you will be able to get a unit with more power and features for less money. Great review!. Nice to see all of that solar power available for testing:D
I just received mine on Wednesday. Other than powering it on, I haven't done anything with it yet. I was waiting for your review to learn more about it before I started messing around with it.
I currently have the E2000LFP. I bought it primarily for emergency power grid loss. It work's great but now I'm considering adding the 3600. I could use it for my kitchen appliances(including fridge) and relegate the 2000 to my second refrigerator in the garage. Appreciate the vid!
I was calculating earlier this year a setup for a camper van. And I love it to see prices dropping after just 6 months. :D With an extension battery just $2600 and NO FURTHER WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE. ALL IN ONE. My setup was also around 3000 euros. But with a lot of electric DIY work. This setup is amazing. 3600w output is awesome.
Awesome testing! Love the touch screen; offers detailed info. I wish they put a little more thought into the screen text. Wording haphazardly drops to the next line if it doesn't fit and text formatting is not consistent. You'd never know at first that the INPUT and OUTPUT buttons each had 2 buttons (DC & AC). GREAT unit needs a little polish with their touch screen and app. I wonder if the touch screen can be updated with a firmware update? Thanks!
@@Jasonoid Thanks. I will email them! EDIT: I was thinking, since you can set different languages, it's much less work for them to just let the text on each language just haphazardly run-on with no formatting. I emailed Pecron and cc'd you- separate email.
Thanks for the coupon 🎉 I just ordered, and i will be waiting to test all my job equipment. Last time i tried my 2000lfp with the big saw, it just couldn't handle it, during lunch time it just handled excellent the hot plate to cook my food, and with the new port i will be able to charge faster with my gas generator before it gets dark in case of emergency
We just went through Hurricane Helene and realized we were totally unprepared. I know it was probably a once in a lifetime event, but I'd like to buy something to power our fridge and freezer for a few days. Our house is very shaded so I would probably charge from a dual fuel generator we just purchased. The Pecron seems like a great deal, I'm just concerned that there doesn't seem to be any way to get in touch with any pre-purchase or technical support. It sure looks like a great unit for the money, though.
I live in Florida and just went through hurricane Helene and Milton. I have prepared beforehand with a dual fuel generator and interlock kit, and I’m able to run pretty much all I need including my heat pump. Because of the winds and rain, it took 12 hours before I can start running my generator so an item like this would be great to use in the house to power the two refrigerators, TV etc. I’m trying to figure out how I can use this for when there’s not a hurricane. We do not camp or go RVing. I’m trying to figure out how to best incorporate this into my daily life to justify the cost.
I use mine daily to run fridges and freezers. It's a bit easier to swap between grid power and an off grid source using a transfer switch vs an interlock.
I love that this has a 30-amp charging cable with passthrough. Do you think it would work with the UPS feature for 120v whole home backup always connected via a 30-amp generator inlet?
I think it would work. Someone else on YT was unsuccessfully trying the opposite, inputting the regular AC cord but outputting the 30a port to his RV. The battery alone met his 30a demands, but when he connected the 120 AC input, it would overload even with it almost fully charged. Why is that? Because you need to input greater than the output for pass-through / UPS to work? Any way around that? He simply wanted to add some juice as the load was much greater and there was plenty of battery. /watch?v=_qRF3Z6kGUw
Wheels/handle would be nice but ticks a bunch of checkboxes at a reasonable price. Still would like to see them get battery prices down though especially when you see how cheap it is to build your own but nice to see they make them useful alone like Bluetti.
I like this testing method of the inverter. I have a generator that’s rated for 2000 surge and tried to use it on my 15a table saw and it failed. It even failed on a 12a miter saw. It was supposed to be my off grid building setup. I ended up getting a ryobi 18v sliding miter saw, but also a bluetti ac180 that runs the table saw without any problem. I feel like manufacturers of generators and power stations arbitrarily double the rated capacity too often. I’ve never seen a surge load double an inverter output actually work.
That's why I like to test that when possible, so see how the surge actually works. Some power stations treat a large saw like a short circuit and fail to start it.
@@Jasonoid true and power stations have come a long way in the last couple years I’ve been using them. Feels like their efficiency and specs are becoming more rooted in reality/practicality.
Awesome review. I subscribed and look forward to watching your other content. I ordered my E3600LFP on the 16th and expected delivery is Mid-August. I feel even more confident in my purchase after watching your thorough review.
As always, a nice, detailed review. I just bought the Bluetti AC200L and should have waited for this as it adds 50% more WH, my Wireless charging, double the PV input, better DC voltage connections and includes most of the needed cables, all at about $350 more. Thanks for doing the work and just hoped for a review about 2 weeks earlier 😁
Thanks, Thanks, Thanks Jason for this great review which was highly anticipated. I'm excited to see the evolution of the Pecron brand. I loved the all the options of this generator.
I just ordered this today afer being with out power randomly for over 4 hours, and the promo code on today's date 09/16/24 worked fine and went ahead and added 2 additional batteries and it kept the discount on the entire purchase. Thank you @Jasonoid for the review. PS love the spreadsheet
Your videos are so helpful, thank you @jasonoid - do you have a recommendation on a good automatic transfer switch? (Goal is to use the Pecron to provide backup power to sump pumps when we have a grid outage).
I just ordered the Pecron E300LFP to replace my River 2, because the River 2 couldn't handle the surge of the compressor on my Iceco refrigerators. Looking to get E1500LFP when the price comes down a little more so I can use it to 0ower 2 refrigerators at once in the truck.
Jason, I'm wondering about the fan noise; you only measured at full load, but I'm curious what the decibel reading is at low load, at what wattage do the fans ramp up, and how charging effects the fans? I'm considering this for a home office/audio video studio, and I'm wondering if I should just increase my budget to get a Delta Pro 3? I really love the new touch screen on this thing, and the DC capacity would be perfect for powering my network gear more efficiently! If say that $0.35 per wH for a fully spec'ed system is really all you could hope for in a mostly portable system...
Fans are really quiet when under normal usage. They are variable and only ramp up loud when under max loud. They are more pleasant than other budget models for sure.
How does that work? If you have 2 extra batteries, and one of them is solar charging directly, does the juice go into only that battery, or do all 3 (station + 2) fill proportionally?
Nice review! You showed how it handles a table saw serge at start up. I’m looking for a unit that can handle the surge of an RV air conditioner. Will the 3600 handle that?
I just received mine and they do not come with the jumper cables now. I need to find the proper plug in for the 30 amp 12 volt outlet and have not found one yet. I do have the Pecron DC charger and it is a easy install and works well to recharge this while driving.
All of the cables should be for sale on their website if you need the exact one seen in the video. You might be able to come up with your own setup for cheaper.
These are the parts I purchased for my transfer switch: Reliance Controls A510A Transfer Switch: amzn.to/44LTyTl Transfer Switch Adapter Cable: amzn.to/3wLhg5p 240v 30amp to 120v 30amp RV bridged adapter: amzn.to/4guTXOE
Great looking unit. Read through all your comments. Im here in AZ. At what °F, high end & low end will it not charge. We've had 113-116°summer's. Can this be charged at an EV charging station? For fast charging?
I'm very tempted by this, but if you want more capacity than the 3KWh, I think a DIY system with EG4 6000XP and EG4 14KWh battery is a better way to go. A lot more input and output capabilities for not much more money.
Large DIY systems are much more scalable and can be repaired and upgraded much easier. Plug n play setups are very simple and easy to use. They both have their place. Power stations around 1000wh and less are super compact and the prices are amazing for what you get.
@Jasonoid, have you had a chance to check for high EMI? Some of the other reviewers have stated that they are seeing a lot of interference with RF equipment anywhere close to the unit. This is probably the only thing that's stopping me from ordering one.
@@Jasonoid Thank you for pointing that out. I believe what I was wondering is more EMF than EMI. Do you ever use any RF monitors or radios to test for radiated RF noise?
@@carldavis123 when testing with my AM Radio the RF noise goes away after about 2-3 feet on most power stations. Pretty reasonable to stand that far away and be okay.
Sorry to see you left out testing how long the power station will run your downstairs refrigerator. I found that information to be valuable in comparing power stations. Hopefully this was just an oversight and not a change in your testing procedures.
See the video @9:48 On larger units like this I run my transfer switch with two refrigerators and many other appliances. I didn't leave out the test, I just ran more stuff in the test than just a fridge.
@@Jasonoid Thanks for your reply. In your review for the Oupes Mega 3, which has the size battery, you did test your downstair refrigerator. While testing with you transfer switch is helpful, it doesn't provide the same level of consistency that is helpful in making comparisons between units compared to testing the same device for ALL stations. Keep up the great work!
I may have missed it but I have a single 240 watt 12 volt solar panel on my RV. How would I step up the 12 volt to 48 volt to charge up this power generator.
You need to get two more panels and wire them in series with your existing panel to get 36VDC, minimum is 32VDC to get the solar controller to turn on and charge. If you can get it to about 60VDC, you will charge at about 1100 Watts on just one of solar inputs. 48VDC will get you about 800 watts charge rate on one input. Forgot but it does have a 12-30VDC input but you will only charge at about 150 Watts, not to fast IMO.
Out of all the major brands of these portable generators; Bluetti, Goal Zero, Jackery, Ecoflow, Pecron, Dabbsson, BougeRV, Yoshino, Lion Energy and any others I've failed to list, which company has the most consistent and responsive customer service and hassle-free warranty claim follow through?
@@Jasonoid Lion Energy is also located in Utah as is their customer support. I have their smallest portable generator and they have been very responsive via text.
Just curious what your thoughts are about Pecron's customer service and their quality? Thanks for another great video. Really considering purchasing this one.
I don't have too much experience with them personally. I know that if something breaks they like to verify what the issue is. That requires sending pictures or videos of the issue to their support group. Sometimes I have heard that they will ship out a part for you to fix it if you are comfortable, if not shipping needs to be paid by the customer which can be costly.
@@jsfbay1 sorry, instead of the word 'the', it should have been 'this'. Oupes products are extremely affordable so it's tempting to buy them however the fans are as loud as rockets engines and the charge controllers are a bit buggy. They work okay, but not as great as this model.
On the XT60 test how do you pull over 400 watts from a 12vX30a outlet? Math says that's 360 watts max? And on the 12vX10a car port you were hitting 180 watts? Which should be maxed at 120 watts? Are you simply testing beyond the specifications? Other than that, really enjoy your videos, thanks you.
I always test for max power available. The rated specs are usually ball park numbers and sometimes you can get more or less power. For example, it says 12v output yet it's actually regulated at 13.4v (which is better than 12v). It says 360w but I got 400w. The DC output is killer on this model, so no complaints from me.
Hmmm just bought the Anker f3800 yesterday with the transfer switch for $3,500 but also got a free everfrost 30 fridge. Priced out pecron stuff to match Anker but it's tricky. The 3600 model is actually just over 3,000 capacity...Anker is 3,840 capacity. Pecron doesnt have split phase output on a single 3600 so buying another battery and the cable ($140 for cable) ... Didn't see a transfer switch..... And no free refrigerator..... I think Anker has the better deal for Labor day. Sure, if you buy another pecron battery you get almost twice the storage I think, output, ports, and solar. Thoughts? Or did I miss something?
They are in different categories. If you need split phase, it's better to have one single unit so the batteries don't become unbalanced. For example, when you have two power stations hooked together for 240v output, they don't 'load share' or balance the 120v legs, so one unit will drop down faster than the other if your legs aren't exactly the same. The benefit of a single unit that outputs 240v, is that it will discharge unevenly and you don't need to worry about load sharing.
Have a second one on the way for the 240v, will try to use it to power the whole house, Can you show a way to connect the Ruixu lithi2-16 battery to it? Thank you
The battery connects to the solar charging port. Positive to positive, negative to negative. These two types of adapters will work for you to do that: Ring Terminals to Anderson (Battery Connection): amzn.to/3T4qtwL Anderson to MC4 (Solar Connection): amzn.to/3Tmt5HO
I have two and the 240VAC Split phase adapter, it works really nice powering my whole house, just need to get more batteries. It runs my AC at about 4500 Watts, electric stove at 2500 watts and dryer at 4000 watts just fine. One at a time of course. Lights dimmed for a sec on start up but ran like a champ. Trying to decide if I want to go factory batteries or something like the Ruixu.
You need to have a twin saw startup inrush test or at least also do it with other loads running at 50% of the inverters output. That was not a proper inrush test. A power strip extension bar with a on/off switch is the easiest way to control both motors simultaneously.
Hi Jason, I've been following you for a few years now. I just purchased this unit with an extra battery. I have smaller units Ecoflow, Bluetti, Jackets. I'm retired, so fixed income. DID I make a wise decision with this unit?
@@Jasonoid I have been working with Hysolis for a few years now. I have a couple of their MPS3K's and an Apollo 5K. All with expansion batteries. The MPS3K 's are rated to take up to 150 volts and the Apollo is takes up to 500 volts. But they told me that I can over panel them. I think that's crazy, but I rewired everything to keep compliant with Hysolis. Pecron is sending us a E3600 LFP and two expansion batteries. We try them out. I have high hopes that it will do well and be user friendly.
Can the expansion batteries charge with solar via its 400w input while cascading with the E3600LFP? Thanks in advance. Great video. Your review of this unit was outstanding. Thanks again
Fantastic unit for the price, thanks for another thorough review! I’ve noticed on a few recent power stations that you got a higher usable watt % via AC over DC. I always thought that is was more efficient to run appliances under DC, as you’re not spending energy powering the inverter. Im guessing that for small loads this still holds true, but wondering if you’ve observed at what point it’s more efficient to run loads under AC instead?
Correct, if the AC load is large there is less loss of power to the inverter over time. If you have a load that sits idle on and off like an AC fridge you'll see less efficiency since the inverter is using more power in the background. Hard to see the hard numbers since ei don't have access to the battery cables on the power station to see the actual current or wattage the inverter uses, it's all an estimation.
Ohh wow I need to find someone that would want my ac200 L. This Pecron has to be the best power station as of right now. I am glad I found your channel i like how you review products. Will you include cold temperature protection in your reviews in the future? It is the only thing missing.
That's pretty hard to test on a power station since I can't fit these units in a freezer. Most of the large brands have low temp charging protection but I haven't tested. All LFP can charge at low rates in freezing temps without damage, so if it's cold just turn down the charging speeds really low and you'll be good. Fast and medium charging in cold temp is what causes the damage.
[ sorry off topic - but nice review above ] in this Video -> "Fast Charge yoiur large Power Station off 12 Volts !" - What kind of DC to DC converter are you using ? Thanks !
Looks like a fantastic system. I have the 1500 LFP paired with the EP3000, I'm thinking about adding this one. I did have an issue with my Ep3000 and had to have Pecron repair it. Customer has to pay the shipping back to the factory. My biggest complaint with Pecron is the app, it's crap to be honest. I hope they do an update soon.
@@Bamabrute85 It stopped charging via solar. It would cascade charge from the 1500 but solar charging did not work. I assume they replaced the charge controller. I received it after about 14 days the day I shipped it back to Pecrom, so far so good. Shipping back to them was on me and via FEDEX with Ins the cost was $300. My local UPS store wouldn't ship it.
@@rmclark339 why did you have to pay for shipping if the product was still under warranty? What good is a warranty if you have to pay $300 for shipping?
@@teuton6167 Great question. They told me that's their policy. It was a pretty frustrating back and forth but in the end I needed the EP3000 fixed. Apparently they only have a 30 day window for free return/repairs. I think it's a flaw in their policy that may keep some from buying their products.
Hello, good review. For some reason, my DP wont run my 13500 BTU RV AC unit. Any idea why? I thought the surge would be less than 7200 watts. Thank you.
Hey Jason, great review as always. Best power station reviews on TH-cam. I received my Pecron 3600 last week and also have the fast charger. Jason I have Newpowa- 2 x 100 12v -VMP 19.06 , IMP 5.26 solar panels I was planning on installing on my van roof in Parallel for the sake of better partial shade performance. So will I have to connect in series to use these panels with the pecan? Also would it be better to purchase 2 x 100 24w panels and connect parallel. Maybe 1 x 200 12v or 24v. panel. Any suggestions? I want to be able to solar charge and alternator fast charge when driving and solar charger when parked when in town. Im planning on getting ground panels for when we are in full shade. Thanks
You need at least 30V to get the XT60 MPPT to turn on. That’s two or more “12V” panels in series or 1+ “24V” panel Tbh you could probably wire the 12V panels in parallel and slightly overpanel the 150W 12V input. Then connect the 500W Pecron alternator fast charger to one of the XT60 inputs, and leave one XT60 input open for a portable ground array.
What is the comparable Ecoflow product to this? Is it the Delta 3 Pro? This has close to that capacity but at a much lower cost. Would this be a good option compared to the Delta 3 Pro?
The main difference between this one and the DP3 is that the DP3 has 240v output (and slightly higher wattage from the inverter 4000w). If you don't need 240v output, this one is a great option!
Hoping someone can answer this question I have a Wave 2 Ecoflow, I wonder if I can charge the battery (Wave2) off of the xt60 connector (pecron) and able to get three or four hundred Watts out of that? The maximum amps The Wave 2 will take is 13 amps the Pecron is 30.. Is there some sort of device I can rig up to make the wattage around 300. I'm charging off of the AC inverter Pecron)which is inefficient I want to go to DC to DCcharging. Thank you and I love your channel very thorough and very understandable for the layman lol
You can always try it, the Pecron would just shut off the DC output if too much power was pulled. Im guessing you'd need to use the XT60i cable for high amperage
I have a question. My old Bluetti will not accept charge from solar of just 200 W it Hass to be 400 to 600 W in series to get it to even except charging from solar. Now I know this is an older version, but this high capacity pair con, does it have the same? Can you hook 200 W up to it and it will still accept a charge from solar? 200 is about all I have. That charge is the smaller battery units. 600 charge is the large Bluetti. Will 200 watts still be able to put some solar energy into this pecern?
The older Bluetti you have will charge with two 12v solar panels in series, so two 200w panels for 400w, or even two 100w panels in series (it needs 32v miniumun to charge). You don't need three panels / 600w to start the charging. This power station has the low voltage charging port good for 150 watts where you can connect a 200w panel. If you want to use the large charge controllers, you'll also need at least 32v input to charge (at least two panels in series).
I have a question that no one ever talks about on these reviews. Does the E3600 and expansion battery discharge and recharge at the same time, and at the same rate? I have been trying to ask Pecron this same question. But they haven't answered my email, and there is no support phone number. So I would be delited if you can either answer this question, or get the answer from Pecron. Thank you
The power ststion main unit and the expansion batteries attempt to charge and discharge together. In my testing they did a fairly good job staying at similar levels.
Another guy told me the same. When the main unit is expanded with extra batteries, all try to stay in equilibrium- discharge and charge as one large battery. Also, if you're charging (or discharging) directly into an expansion battery, same thing- they stay at similar levels. Pretty cool.
Yep, 120 volts X 30 amps = 3600 watts. Surge seems to work well. Hard thing to test numbers wise. Watch the AC testing portion of the video to learn more.
I am a very unhappy Hysolis Apollo 4K owner....already been through (3) main units and still don't have a properly functioning system. The system is so sensitive and buggy. I am now looking for an alternate setup. We do need 240V split phase as we run an entire off-grid cabin which has a 240V well pump. Does this system charge-share and power-share when connected in 240V split phase? I think that's important. The electrical panel is certainly not balanced. So it really does no good to have all that power available if half of it only goes to one side of the panel. Yes, you can swap the cables around when needed but that's one advantage of the Hysolis system. BUT...for me, the Hysolis has never worked that way properly. The charging share is also important. We have several arrays that point in different directions to catch sun throughout the day. If the units don't charge share, again, your power is limited to whichever unit is lowest on power. So having one unit 50% lower than the other limits overall power availability. Does the system support AC charging via generator? That's our only alternate charge source besides solar. We have to be able to charge that way. The Hysolis is but it's not as simple as they lead you to believe. The wiring from the generator to the Hysolis units must be wired in a specific way and you absolutely must use an inverter generator that produces a pure sign wave. They don't tell you that.
Those are common issues with a dual power station setup. It will be the same with a Bluetti model, Ecoflow model or even a dual Jackery setup. 1) no dual power station setup that know of will balance / load share the split phase legs, including this one so they have to be completely balanced, which is impossible in my opinion. 2) no power station that I know of will charge off a non inverter generator. They all have a sensitive charging system that requires strict voltage and a sine wave. Sounds like you need a single unit with 240v output so no requirement to worry about balancing the legs OR a 48v LFP battery / all in one inverter-charger. You'll still need a higher quality inverter generator for both systems though.
@@Jasonoid We did end up buying a large, dual-fuel, inverter generator and, after a lot of back and forth between our electrician and Hysolis, figured out how wire it to make it work properly. Hysolis didn't even know how to until we asked the questions. It costs us quite a bit of $ for our electrician to teach them how to charge their own units. The new Ecoflow 3 is a single unit 240V split phase system. Hysolis actually offered us a full refund and we could have taken it and just purchased the Ecoflow. But...we want to give Hysolis the chance to correct all this. We've spent so much $ tailoring our setup FOR to Hysolis, we need to give it every chance to work. They Hysolis IS supposed to charge share and self balance power so playing the cord swap game isn't supposed to be necessary. We shall see. But, I'm researching systems now just in case it continues to fail. All these systems make it sound easy.... it's just not. It's expensive and time consuming and incredibly sensitive to a lot of outside factors. But, we don't have a choice. Line power is not an option. It's solar power or no power and we have far too much $ invested at this point to not make it work.
@@michaelknapp5456 off grid power is very expensive, espeically when you don't have the sun around to charge your batteries. 10 to 15 years ago the cost was much much more. These new systems are still expensive but they have reduced the cost significantly vs what it was awhile ago. If I was going with a truly off grid setup I'd probably do a 48v server rack system. I hope you can get all the bugs worked out soon! 👍
That thing is awesome for the price. My only complaint is the fan noise, but it’s decent compared to the competition. I don’t need 240 volt for things I want to run, but it is really nice for energizing your entire electric panel for your whole house (rather than just a transfer switch).
What do you give up when you pay bottom dollar? Quality. Customer service. Bought the e2000lfp. Lasted a week. Still waiting on replacement. Even if a get a new battery, it’s my last pecron purchase. They only communicate via email. No more than once per day as you explain how it’s broken
That's how any of these companies are, Jackery, EcoFlow, Bluetti. All of their support teams are overseas so you have a 12 hour difference in timezones. If you want USA customer service, go with Goal Zero, pretty sure thats the only US based option.
Most likely not. Usually residential solar arrays are wired in strings of series with high levels of voltage. This can only take up to 150v input. If you rewired a few solar panels specifically for this unit, they would work.
Pecron keeps getting better. This one looks darn near perfect.
Wow, thanks for the in-depth video Jason! I think this option is one of the best ones right now. It checks all the boxes I want in a larger 120v model!
Every time it's getting more and more clear that campers really do not need the separate component set-up.
What a beast for that price.
Own the E600 and love it, was very close to ordering the E1500LFP but after seeing this the E3600 is hard to pass up. Thanks for the in depth video as usual, we've come to expect nothing less. Have a good one!
Last week during the Christmas sale ordered a Pecron e3600lfp system with a total of 9.2kWh (2-ep3000s 48v) paid a crazy $0.34 per Wh. I searched all the holiday sales and nothing compared. I have had an e600 for several years and have been following all the various system reviews. Very aware of the lack of customer support and some issues resolving defects and sometimes quality control but could not pass on such a great sale. Also jumped on the new PV300, 300w portable solar for $359. Living in the PNW solar, especially in the winter, is not reliable (I have 6.03kW rooftop solar that supplies 50+% of my yearly energy). It will be complimentary to my 2500w portable propane (dual fuel) generator/inverter that will be utilized to charge the system as needed in an extended outage. Looking forward to your testing of this new panel from Pecron. This system will be connected to a Reliance 30amp, 10 circuit transfer switch as well.
Excellent presentation. Thank you. Some really nice and robust DC output options. Pecron is really knocking it out of the park.
Yes, I really want split-phase output, without having to buy 2 units. I don't want the lights in my upstairs bathroom to not work, just because that particular circuit didn't make it in to my "critical loads" panel. I know I can't run *everything* in my home off a unit this size, but I'd like to be able to use small loads in any room of my house.
Pass-thru charging is my other must-have. Nice to see that this unit has that.
Thanks for sharing your feedback!
If you don’t need split phase output, you can use a TT-30P to L14-30R (or whatever your transfer switch uses) adapter that wires both legs to the same 120V hot leg from the TT-30.
This won’t work for any 240V loads (using hot to hot is 0V!) but it’ll energize both sides of your panel
They threw everything they had at it and made it stick. Nicely done.
You are right about 240v outputs. So many features are non essential yet we base our buying decisions on it.
For 99% of people and 99% of scenarios, this unit does everything we’d want it to.
I own 2 Ankers and 4 different Ecoflows. No Bluetti, no Pecron. What's turned into a "must have" for me is the ability of the Ecoflows to set a percentage above which it will only charge via solar. But if battery gets low enough it draws from AC.
It appears this might have the same capability. In their user manual it shows you can set a "Battery Level at which AC charging stops in UPS mode". Can you confirm that if unit is plugged into AC but battery level is above the percentage you choose, it will not charge from AC. But as soon as it hits that level it draws just enough to keep it at that level?
Yes an absolute winner, but you know what I wish one of these power station companies would do? Start a trade-in program. I would love to trade in my Pecron E1500 for this model. If we can do that with cars, why not with power stations? I bet there are many people who would love a deal on a gently-used power station for a cheaper price. Refurbished models are good, and help recycle these things. Hopefully, as an influencer, you can influence the companies you work with to think about this. I think it would be wildly successful.
I am not exactly an influencer but did talk to the company to give engineers certain implemented suggestions as some other companies aswell. Check with BLUETTI for the program you ask about exist.
Bluetti and ecoflow have trade in programs that I know of
@@Tech4Ten Thanks I will check it out. I have a Bluetti, but no Ecoflows.
I totally agree with the TRADE-IN idea, as I also own an E1500LFP.
Where are you from? Used market is solid
Another great and thorough review. This is for me the perfect setup, I need 240v for my well pump. $3,200 for 7200W and just over 6,000 Wh is a perfect fit for my budget.
I’ve been checking your channel for the whole week everyday hoping you tested this unit. Can’t wait to see the results. Your the best
Great video Jason. Seems like Pecron hit it out of the ball park with this unit. For me it checks all the boxes I ever wanted. Had this unit been out when I first got into buying solar power banks I would not have had all the different units. Because of the variety of units and the lack of knowledge I had then I bought solar panels for all of the units that were sold as packages. Pecron will allow all the variety of solar arrays that I own to be used which is great. Even better is the that their expansion batteries can be used independently and be charged by themselves too. Had I known about this unit 4 weeks ago I would have seriously considered buying it instead of the EG4 setup I'm getting. I don't need 240 as my needs are for temporary grid outages and all I need is enough power for the fridge a couple of lights and a window unit that can cool the bedroom at night for about 4 to 6 hours. Thanks for your video.
No problems with an EG4 setup, those are sweet and are probably more durable and scalable in the long run. Kinda comparing apples to oranges.
Shelley, Question for you: What are you going to do for EXTENDED power outages, i.e. days-on-end? With the current authoritarian political "Green New Deal" mindset of "ending all fossil fuels," you know those mega-outages are coming and will only increase.
@@danielschear556 I do have redundancies. For example I have 2 2200I generators that could power my batteries, one of them being the companion. I also own 4 12V Fridge/freezers where I can have hooked up to my Jackeries 500, each running a dometic fridge for 44 hours before charging. I've run them with the Jackery non stop for 3 weeks at one time using a 100w solar panel only. I alternate charging the Jackery every other day between them. I would transfer food from the residential fridge and freezer to my 12V. I have a set power and a Joytutus that would be my freezers. The Joytutus has been running as a freezer for 3 years non-stop. I also converted my generators to propane have 6 Jerry cans for ethanol free fuel. I had less stuff than I do now and survived 8 days without power/ or water during the freeze. Just getting ready to put up a small solar array of 1200 watts. Since the Freeze I have accumulated another 200 pounds of propane. I don't want to be off grid as I love air conditioning too much and financing a solar system that would provide me days of comfort with a/c would be astronomical especially since what I pay for electricity is pennies on the dollar. At my age my break even point would never come to be.
1500 pretty rockin price.
Not many power stations with this many features will have that price.
Pecron is smashing it! The power station market is about like the computer market. If you get one today, next month or next year, you will be able to get a unit with more power and features for less money. Great review!. Nice to see all of that solar power available for testing:D
My solar power is finally at a really good place. With the updated 1200w shed array and the 1600w carport, testing is really fun now!
I just received mine on Wednesday. Other than powering it on, I haven't done anything with it yet. I was waiting for your review to learn more about it before I started messing around with it.
I currently have the E2000LFP. I bought it primarily for emergency power grid loss. It work's great but now I'm considering adding the 3600. I could use it for my kitchen appliances(including fridge) and relegate the 2000 to my second refrigerator in the garage. Appreciate the vid!
I think the E3600 is a great upgrade to the E2000!
I was calculating earlier this year a setup for a camper van. And I love it to see prices dropping after just 6 months. :D With an extension battery just $2600 and NO FURTHER WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE. ALL IN ONE. My setup was also around 3000 euros. But with a lot of electric DIY work. This setup is amazing. 3600w output is awesome.
Great review and fantastic bang for your buck with great output and capacity.
One of the best buys right now!
Awesome testing! Love the touch screen; offers detailed info. I wish they put a little more thought into the screen text. Wording haphazardly drops to the next line if it doesn't fit and text formatting is not consistent. You'd never know at first that the INPUT and OUTPUT buttons each had 2 buttons (DC & AC). GREAT unit needs a little polish with their touch screen and app. I wonder if the touch screen can be updated with a firmware update? Thanks!
That is great feddback! You should email them with a couple screenshots of what you see and they should be able to make a change.
@@Jasonoid Thanks. I will email them! EDIT: I was thinking, since you can set different languages, it's much less work for them to just let the text on each language just haphazardly run-on with no formatting. I emailed Pecron and cc'd you- separate email.
Thanks for the coupon 🎉
I just ordered, and i will be waiting to test all my job equipment. Last time i tried my 2000lfp with the big saw, it just couldn't handle it, during lunch time it just handled excellent the hot plate to cook my food, and with the new port i will be able to charge faster with my gas generator before it gets dark in case of emergency
This is such a beast verse the E2000LFP! You'll be impressed 👍
Thanks for this video. I am planning to go off grid and know next to nothing about powering my tiny home. This explains a lot. Tks again.
We just went through Hurricane Helene and realized we were totally unprepared. I know it was probably a once in a lifetime event, but I'd like to buy something to power our fridge and freezer for a few days. Our house is very shaded so I would probably charge from a dual fuel generator we just purchased. The Pecron seems like a great deal, I'm just concerned that there doesn't seem to be any way to get in touch with any pre-purchase or technical support. It sure looks like a great unit for the money, though.
The best way to get in contact with them is to email them. This unit would work well to power your fridge and freezer, and other electronics!
That 5640 wH usable capacity indicates that each expansion battery would achieve roughly 93.75% of its capacity. That's pretty good.
I live in Florida and just went through hurricane Helene and Milton. I have prepared beforehand with a dual fuel generator and interlock kit, and I’m able to run pretty much all I need including my heat pump. Because of the winds and rain, it took 12 hours before I can start running my generator so an item like this would be great to use in the house to power the two refrigerators, TV etc.
I’m trying to figure out how I can use this for when there’s not a hurricane. We do not camp or go RVing. I’m trying to figure out how to best incorporate this into my daily life to justify the cost.
I use mine daily to run fridges and freezers. It's a bit easier to swap between grid power and an off grid source using a transfer switch vs an interlock.
Excellent comprehensive review. You rock
Great presentation. I really enjoyed it. Pretty awesome unit with great features. Also, great looking unit.
I love that this has a 30-amp charging cable with passthrough. Do you think it would work with the UPS feature for 120v whole home backup always connected via a 30-amp generator inlet?
I can't remember the max UPS wattage but it's fairly high, Ill need to look that one up. It might be on their website.
I think it would work. Someone else on YT was unsuccessfully trying the opposite, inputting the regular AC cord but outputting the 30a port to his RV. The battery alone met his 30a demands, but when he connected the 120 AC input, it would overload even with it almost fully charged. Why is that? Because you need to input greater than the output for pass-through / UPS to work? Any way around that? He simply wanted to add some juice as the load was much greater and there was plenty of battery. /watch?v=_qRF3Z6kGUw
Thank you for a very extensive review - you answered all of my questions plus many i didnt think you could ask!
Glad it was helpful!
Wheels/handle would be nice but ticks a bunch of checkboxes at a reasonable price. Still would like to see them get battery prices down though especially when you see how cheap it is to build your own but nice to see they make them useful alone like Bluetti.
I like this testing method of the inverter. I have a generator that’s rated for 2000 surge and tried to use it on my 15a table saw and it failed. It even failed on a 12a miter saw. It was supposed to be my off grid building setup.
I ended up getting a ryobi 18v sliding miter saw, but also a bluetti ac180 that runs the table saw without any problem.
I feel like manufacturers of generators and power stations arbitrarily double the rated capacity too often. I’ve never seen a surge load double an inverter output actually work.
That's why I like to test that when possible, so see how the surge actually works. Some power stations treat a large saw like a short circuit and fail to start it.
@@Jasonoid true and power stations have come a long way in the last couple years I’ve been using them. Feels like their efficiency and specs are becoming more rooted in reality/practicality.
Awesome review. I subscribed and look forward to watching your other content. I ordered my E3600LFP on the 16th and expected delivery is Mid-August. I feel even more confident in my purchase after watching your thorough review.
Good choice! It's a nice unit!
As always, a nice, detailed review. I just bought the Bluetti AC200L and should have waited for this as it adds 50% more WH, my Wireless charging, double the PV input, better DC voltage connections and includes most of the needed cables, all at about $350 more.
Thanks for doing the work and just hoped for a review about 2 weeks earlier 😁
Thanks, Thanks, Thanks Jason for this great review which was highly anticipated. I'm excited to see the evolution of the Pecron brand. I loved the all the options of this generator.
Thanks!
Thank you!
I just ordered this today afer being with out power randomly for over 4 hours, and the promo code on today's date 09/16/24 worked fine and went ahead and added 2 additional batteries and it kept the discount on the entire purchase. Thank you @Jasonoid for the review. PS love the spreadsheet
You'll enjoy this unit! It's a beast! Hopefully you won't be out of power again!
Your videos are so helpful, thank you @jasonoid - do you have a recommendation on a good automatic transfer switch? (Goal is to use the Pecron to provide backup power to sump pumps when we have a grid outage).
I have only tested the manual one seen in my videos from Reliance Controls.
Great video! I'm going to order one! Any suggestion on solar panels that will work well with this battery to use at my home?
Use this process to get six 400 watt panels, three per charge controller:
th-cam.com/video/pLRKljjaqMA/w-d-xo.html
this guy really knows his stuff !!
I'm learning and improving everyday, thanks!
I just ordered the Pecron E300LFP to replace my River 2, because the River 2 couldn't handle the surge of the compressor on my Iceco refrigerators. Looking to get E1500LFP when the price comes down a little more so I can use it to 0ower 2 refrigerators at once in the truck.
The E1500lfp is awesome! I just used it last week while camping.
Jason, I'm wondering about the fan noise; you only measured at full load, but I'm curious what the decibel reading is at low load, at what wattage do the fans ramp up, and how charging effects the fans? I'm considering this for a home office/audio video studio, and I'm wondering if I should just increase my budget to get a Delta Pro 3?
I really love the new touch screen on this thing, and the DC capacity would be perfect for powering my network gear more efficiently! If say that $0.35 per wH for a fully spec'ed system is really all you could hope for in a mostly portable system...
Fans are really quiet when under normal usage. They are variable and only ramp up loud when under max loud. They are more pleasant than other budget models for sure.
@@Jasonoid Thanks Jason, I appreciate your response! So, being a TH-camr, would you have a problem shooting videos in the same room with this unit?
@@johndelabretonne2373 I think it would do okay under normal use, running my office and computer 👍
Great video.. and nice system. Quick question does it has the ability to set time to charge, as in time-of-use with AC features..
Great test! When you solar charge the power station and charge additionally the extra battery with solar, will it show up in the screen?
The extra wattage going into the battery does not show on the screen.
How does that work? If you have 2 extra batteries, and one of them is solar charging directly, does the juice go into only that battery, or do all 3 (station + 2) fill proportionally?
Wow great review! Keep up the great work. Subscribed!
Glad you enjoyed it! I have lots of other testing videos like this 👍
Nice review! You showed how it handles a table saw serge at start up. I’m looking for a unit that can handle the surge of an RV air conditioner. Will the 3600 handle that?
I wasn't able to test it on a RV airconditioner so I can't say for sure, but it did handle the startup load from the saw really well.
I wish they were available in the UK on Amazon
I just received mine and they do not come with the jumper cables now. I need to find the proper plug in for the 30 amp 12 volt outlet and have not found one yet. I do have the Pecron DC charger and it is a easy install and works well to recharge this while driving.
All of the cables should be for sale on their website if you need the exact one seen in the video. You might be able to come up with your own setup for cheaper.
I like that you can monitor the batteries, but can you actually replace the internal batteries if they did go to pot?
Possibly, that's something that would be good to find out. It would be a tricky repair for sure.
Jason can you link the cable you purchased from the 3600 to your Reliance 310A?
These are the parts I purchased for my transfer switch:
Reliance Controls A510A Transfer Switch: amzn.to/44LTyTl
Transfer Switch Adapter Cable: amzn.to/3wLhg5p
240v 30amp to 120v 30amp RV bridged adapter:
amzn.to/4guTXOE
@ thanks, so I am getting the 30 amp 120v versions of this.
You might need a different cable, but the concept is the same. A cable that matches the output of the Pecron to the input of the transfer switch.
Great looking unit. Read through all your comments. Im here in AZ. At what °F, high end & low end will it not charge. We've had 113-116°summer's. Can this be charged at an EV charging station? For fast charging?
Awesome. A winner! Refurbished at 1200$ is a super deal.
Wow, excellent price!
I'm very tempted by this, but if you want more capacity than the 3KWh, I think a DIY system with EG4 6000XP and EG4 14KWh battery is a better way to go. A lot more input and output capabilities for not much more money.
I agree. However, if someone is like me an electrical idiot these are a nice option to have. Lol that eg4 is a sweet system wish I knew how to use it.
Large DIY systems are much more scalable and can be repaired and upgraded much easier. Plug n play setups are very simple and easy to use. They both have their place. Power stations around 1000wh and less are super compact and the prices are amazing for what you get.
Agree! Just ordered the 6000xp and 1 Power Pro for now... but I ❤ these Pecron stations.
@Jasonoid, have you had a chance to check for high EMI? Some of the other reviewers have stated that they are seeing a lot of interference with RF equipment anywhere close to the unit. This is probably the only thing that's stopping me from ordering one.
I showed that test in the video, under AC testing.
@@Jasonoid Thank you for pointing that out. I believe what I was wondering is more EMF than EMI. Do you ever use any RF monitors or radios to test for radiated RF noise?
@@carldavis123 when testing with my AM Radio the RF noise goes away after about 2-3 feet on most power stations. Pretty reasonable to stand that far away and be okay.
Amazing video! Im debating between this and the oupes mega 3 / mega 5. Which would you recommend bw the two?
This is much better than the Oupes models! Better for solar and the fans aren't super loud.
@@Jasonoid how about the pecron vs the ugreen powerroam 2200? Both got 9.5s. The ugreen is on crazy sale now for like < $.30 cents a kwh
Is a Smart-Phone/ I-Pad mandatory for use in conjunction with this? I was thinking of getting one for an elderly relative. Thanks.
You don't need a smart app, all the settings are available via the touch screen as well.
@@Jasonoid Thanks.
Sorry to see you left out testing how long the power station will run your downstairs refrigerator. I found that information to be valuable in comparing power stations. Hopefully this was just an oversight and not a change in your testing procedures.
See the video @9:48 On larger units like this I run my transfer switch with two refrigerators and many other appliances. I didn't leave out the test, I just ran more stuff in the test than just a fridge.
@@Jasonoid Thanks for your reply. In your review for the Oupes Mega 3, which has the size battery, you did test your downstair refrigerator. While testing with you transfer switch is helpful, it doesn't provide the same level of consistency that is helpful in making comparisons between units compared to testing the same device for ALL stations. Keep up the great work!
I may have missed it but I have a single 240 watt 12 volt solar panel on my RV. How would I step up the 12 volt to 48 volt to charge up this power generator.
You need to get two more panels and wire them in series with your existing panel to get 36VDC, minimum is 32VDC to get the solar controller to turn on and charge. If you can get it to about 60VDC, you will charge at about 1100 Watts on just one of solar inputs. 48VDC will get you about 800 watts charge rate on one input. Forgot but it does have a 12-30VDC input but you will only charge at about 150 Watts, not to fast IMO.
@ thanks for the response! 👍
Good Afternoon ! This looks like a winner. TAKE CARE..
Great power station, would have to be the Hulk to move it around.
They have a dolly for it if you want. With two poeple it's not bad. Carry handles are beefy!
I think Bruce Banner could handle it.
I want that USB tester it's NICE, you have a link for it?
This is the one I bought, I really like it:
amzn.to/4etRzqE
Out of all the major brands of these portable generators; Bluetti, Goal Zero, Jackery, Ecoflow, Pecron, Dabbsson, BougeRV, Yoshino, Lion Energy and any others I've failed to list, which company has the most consistent and responsive customer service and hassle-free warranty claim follow through?
Goal zero, American US based customer support in Utah.
@@Jasonoid Lion Energy is also located in Utah as is their customer support. I have their smallest portable generator and they have been very responsive via text.
I haven't followed Lion Energy too much but yeah, they are from Utah as well.
@@Jasonoid Any future plans to test any of their generators and or solar panels?
@@patrickio8084 not right now
Just curious what your thoughts are about Pecron's customer service and their quality? Thanks for another great video. Really considering purchasing this one.
I don't have too much experience with them personally. I know that if something breaks they like to verify what the issue is. That requires sending pictures or videos of the issue to their support group. Sometimes I have heard that they will ship out a part for you to fix it if you are comfortable, if not shipping needs to be paid by the customer which can be costly.
How about the Mega 5? Or did you already cover this one?
The performs much better than any Oupes product.
@Jasonoid - You left out the name of the product - I assume you mean Pecron?
@@jsfbay1 sorry, instead of the word 'the', it should have been 'this'. Oupes products are extremely affordable so it's tempting to buy them however the fans are as loud as rockets engines and the charge controllers are a bit buggy. They work okay, but not as great as this model.
@@Jasonoid Thanks, I should have been able to figure that out. And that's useful info regarding the Oupes.
returning to this rabbit hole. very useful info. Liked and subbed
On the XT60 test how do you pull over 400 watts from a 12vX30a outlet? Math says that's 360 watts max?
And on the 12vX10a car port you were hitting 180 watts? Which should be maxed at 120 watts?
Are you simply testing beyond the specifications?
Other than that, really enjoy your videos, thanks you.
I always test for max power available. The rated specs are usually ball park numbers and sometimes you can get more or less power.
For example, it says 12v output yet it's actually regulated at 13.4v (which is better than 12v). It says 360w but I got 400w. The DC output is killer on this model, so no complaints from me.
Hmmm just bought the Anker f3800 yesterday with the transfer switch for $3,500 but also got a free everfrost 30 fridge.
Priced out pecron stuff to match Anker but it's tricky. The 3600 model is actually just over 3,000 capacity...Anker is 3,840 capacity. Pecron doesnt have split phase output on a single 3600 so buying another battery and the cable ($140 for cable) ... Didn't see a transfer switch..... And no free refrigerator..... I think Anker has the better deal for Labor day.
Sure, if you buy another pecron battery you get almost twice the storage I think, output, ports, and solar.
Thoughts? Or did I miss something?
They are in different categories. If you need split phase, it's better to have one single unit so the batteries don't become unbalanced. For example, when you have two power stations hooked together for 240v output, they don't 'load share' or balance the 120v legs, so one unit will drop down faster than the other if your legs aren't exactly the same. The benefit of a single unit that outputs 240v, is that it will discharge unevenly and you don't need to worry about load sharing.
Have a second one on the way for the 240v, will try to use it to power the whole house, Can you show a way to connect the Ruixu lithi2-16 battery to it? Thank you
The battery connects to the solar charging port. Positive to positive, negative to negative. These two types of adapters will work for you to do that:
Ring Terminals to Anderson (Battery Connection): amzn.to/3T4qtwL
Anderson to MC4 (Solar Connection): amzn.to/3Tmt5HO
@@Jasonoid Thank you
I have two and the 240VAC Split phase adapter, it works really nice powering my whole house, just need to get more batteries. It runs my AC at about 4500 Watts, electric stove at 2500 watts and dryer at 4000 watts just fine. One at a time of course. Lights dimmed for a sec on start up but ran like a champ. Trying to decide if I want to go factory batteries or something like the Ruixu.
Can you use their app to monitor the extension battery, if used on its own ? With the 12V port, it might be all I need for my HAM gear.
The app only connects to the main head unit. If a battery is connected you can see the status of the battery through the app, but not stand alone.
Just received mine from your previous link. Hope you got credit for it I haven't unboxed yet.
Let me know what you think about it! I love this thing.
@@Jasonoidnext up is finding the best portable solar panels for this thing and extra battery to go off grid with my truck camper.
@@Jasonoid and when my smart charger arrives I will get that installed on my truck.
Can you do 400 watts of solar into the battery while also doing 2400 of solar into the head unit?
You need to have a twin saw startup inrush test or at least also do it with other loads running at 50% of the inverters output. That was not a proper inrush test. A power strip extension bar with a on/off switch is the easiest way to control both motors simultaneously.
Thanks for the feedback and suggestions!
Hi, great video. A real shame it’s not available in UK…
I really wish these things would use a separate breakout box for connections.
For the DC output?
@@Jasonoid For all input and output. It just looks so sloppy with all the cables running in/out of these things....
@@NeverTakeNoCut-offs gotcha!
Hi Jason, I've been following you for a few years now. I just purchased this unit with an extra battery. I have smaller units Ecoflow, Bluetti, Jackets. I'm retired, so fixed income. DID I make a wise decision with this unit?
This unit is great! I still recommend it heavily for home backup use. It's a great price for the performance it offers 👍 You will like it!
@Jasonoid thank you, Jason. I appreciate all that you do, and you're getting better all the time.
Using just one of the solar charge ports. Can you over panel it as long as you don't exceed the 150 volts going in?
Yes, you can overpanel the power station. You can actually use parallel mode which allows double the amps.
@@Jasonoid
I have been working with Hysolis for a few years now. I have a couple of their MPS3K's and an Apollo 5K. All with expansion batteries. The MPS3K 's are rated to take up to 150 volts and the Apollo is takes up to 500 volts.
But they told me that I can over panel them. I think that's crazy, but I rewired everything to keep compliant with Hysolis.
Pecron is sending us a E3600 LFP and two expansion batteries.
We try them out. I have high hopes that it will do well and be user friendly.
Can the expansion batteries charge with solar via its 400w input while cascading with the E3600LFP? Thanks in advance. Great video. Your review of this unit was outstanding. Thanks again
I did not test that specifically but it doesn't mention that being an issue in the owners manual. I think it would work just fine.
Hi. My E1500LFP does charge the generator and pass thru to charge 2 expansion batteries so perhaps this model does as well.
Fantastic unit for the price, thanks for another thorough review!
I’ve noticed on a few recent power stations that you got a higher usable watt % via AC over DC. I always thought that is was more efficient to run appliances under DC, as you’re not spending energy powering the inverter. Im guessing that for small loads this still holds true, but wondering if you’ve observed at what point it’s more efficient to run loads under AC instead?
Correct, if the AC load is large there is less loss of power to the inverter over time.
If you have a load that sits idle on and off like an AC fridge you'll see less efficiency since the inverter is using more power in the background.
Hard to see the hard numbers since ei don't have access to the battery cables on the power station to see the actual current or wattage the inverter uses, it's all an estimation.
I ordered mine yesterday. When I was researching it seemed to check all the boxes without a big name or price tag attached to it.
Nice!
If the head unit could be sold as a separate unit, that would be amazing.
Like the Bluetti AC300?
Ohh wow I need to find someone that would want my ac200 L. This Pecron has to be the best power station as of right now. I am glad I found your channel i like how you review products. Will you include cold temperature protection in your reviews in the future? It is the only thing missing.
That's pretty hard to test on a power station since I can't fit these units in a freezer. Most of the large brands have low temp charging protection but I haven't tested. All LFP can charge at low rates in freezing temps without damage, so if it's cold just turn down the charging speeds really low and you'll be good. Fast and medium charging in cold temp is what causes the damage.
@@Jasonoid ahh ok I just wonder about it in the winter months thank you for your response
Great channel!
Thank you!
[ sorry off topic - but nice review above ] in this Video -> "Fast Charge yoiur large Power Station off 12 Volts !" - What kind of DC to DC converter are you using ? Thanks !
I'm using this:
th-cam.com/video/NqnYaqMwktE/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Jason, awesome video, long-awaited😃. I noticed that one of the controllers was actually taking in more than 1200 watts. Nice!!!
That is correct, it sticks right around 1200w, sometimes a little extra 👍
The 1st array was 1600W, but the unit is rated at 1200W per circuit. Can you overload it and it maxes out at 1200w?
You can go over amperage, but you cant go over voltage 👍
Looks like a fantastic system. I have the 1500 LFP paired with the EP3000, I'm thinking about adding this one. I did have an issue with my Ep3000 and had to have Pecron repair it. Customer has to pay the shipping back to the factory. My biggest complaint with Pecron is the app, it's crap to be honest. I hope they do an update soon.
What kind of issue did you have with the EP3000? I just got mine in the mail yesterday.
@@Bamabrute85 It stopped charging via solar. It would cascade charge from the 1500 but solar charging did not work. I assume they replaced the charge controller. I received it after about 14 days the day I shipped it back to Pecrom, so far so good. Shipping back to them was on me and via FEDEX with Ins the cost was $300. My local UPS store wouldn't ship it.
Thanks for sharing your honest opinion and experience! I'm glad they were able to fix it but it stinks you had to pay shipping.
@@rmclark339 why did you have to pay for shipping if the product was still under warranty? What good is a warranty if you have to pay $300 for shipping?
@@teuton6167 Great question. They told me that's their policy. It was a pretty frustrating back and forth but in the end I needed the EP3000 fixed. Apparently they only have a 30 day window for free return/repairs. I think it's a flaw in their policy that may keep some from buying their products.
Hello, good review.
For some reason, my DP wont run my 13500 BTU RV AC unit. Any idea why? I thought the surge would be less than 7200 watts. Thank you.
Install a SoftStart to your RV A/Cs.
Hey Jason, great review as always. Best power station reviews on TH-cam. I received my Pecron 3600 last week and also have the fast charger. Jason I have Newpowa- 2 x 100 12v -VMP 19.06 , IMP 5.26 solar panels I was planning on installing on my van roof in Parallel for the sake of better partial shade performance. So will I have to connect in series to use these panels with the pecan? Also would it be better to purchase 2 x 100 24w panels and connect parallel. Maybe 1 x 200 12v or 24v. panel. Any suggestions? I want to be able to solar charge and alternator fast charge when driving and solar charger when parked when in town. Im planning on getting ground panels for when we are in full shade. Thanks
You need at least 30V to get the XT60 MPPT to turn on. That’s two or more “12V” panels in series or 1+ “24V” panel
Tbh you could probably wire the 12V panels in parallel and slightly overpanel the 150W 12V input. Then connect the 500W Pecron alternator fast charger to one of the XT60 inputs, and leave one XT60 input open for a portable ground array.
What is the comparable Ecoflow product to this? Is it the Delta 3 Pro? This has close to that capacity but at a much lower cost. Would this be a good option compared to the Delta 3 Pro?
The main difference between this one and the DP3 is that the DP3 has 240v output (and slightly higher wattage from the inverter 4000w). If you don't need 240v output, this one is a great option!
Hoping someone can answer this question I have a Wave 2 Ecoflow, I wonder if I can charge the battery (Wave2) off of the xt60 connector (pecron) and able to get three or four hundred Watts out of that? The maximum amps The Wave 2 will take is 13 amps the Pecron is 30.. Is there some sort of device I can rig up to make the wattage around 300. I'm charging off of the AC inverter Pecron)which is inefficient I want to go to DC to DCcharging. Thank you and I love your channel very thorough and very understandable for the layman lol
You can always try it, the Pecron would just shut off the DC output if too much power was pulled. Im guessing you'd need to use the XT60i cable for high amperage
Not available in Canada yet
Yeah, not sure on that timeline. You could always email them to find out.
I have a question. My old Bluetti will not accept charge from solar of just 200 W it Hass to be 400 to 600 W in series to get it to even except charging from solar. Now I know this is an older version, but this high capacity pair con, does it have the same? Can you hook 200 W up to it and it will still accept a charge from solar? 200 is about all I have. That charge is the smaller battery units. 600 charge is the large Bluetti. Will 200 watts still be able to put some solar energy into this pecern?
The older Bluetti you have will charge with two 12v solar panels in series, so two 200w panels for 400w, or even two 100w panels in series (it needs 32v miniumun to charge). You don't need three panels / 600w to start the charging.
This power station has the low voltage charging port good for 150 watts where you can connect a 200w panel. If you want to use the large charge controllers, you'll also need at least 32v input to charge (at least two panels in series).
Great video
Hey Jason I need consultation. This stuff hard to understand
I need help finding what is needed for my cargo van
I can answer simple solar and battery design questions here:
asqme.com/@Jasonoid
I have a question that no one ever talks about on these reviews.
Does the E3600 and expansion battery discharge and recharge at the same time, and at the same rate?
I have been trying to ask Pecron this same question. But they haven't answered my email, and there is no support phone number.
So I would be delited if you can either answer this question, or get the answer from Pecron.
Thank you
The power ststion main unit and the expansion batteries attempt to charge and discharge together. In my testing they did a fairly good job staying at similar levels.
Another guy told me the same. When the main unit is expanded with extra batteries, all try to stay in equilibrium- discharge and charge as one large battery. Also, if you're charging (or discharging) directly into an expansion battery, same thing- they stay at similar levels. Pretty cool.
Does the 30A outlet actually provide a full 30A if not how much? Also how large of a surge load in wattage say for 5-10sec will it be able to put out?
Yep, 120 volts X 30 amps = 3600 watts.
Surge seems to work well. Hard thing to test numbers wise. Watch the AC testing portion of the video to learn more.
Hopefully we'll get brand name power station to the below $0.40wh.
Maybe 👍
I am a very unhappy Hysolis Apollo 4K owner....already been through (3) main units and still don't have a properly functioning system. The system is so sensitive and buggy. I am now looking for an alternate setup.
We do need 240V split phase as we run an entire off-grid cabin which has a 240V well pump.
Does this system charge-share and power-share when connected in 240V split phase? I think that's important. The electrical panel is certainly not balanced. So it really does no good to have all that power available if half of it only goes to one side of the panel. Yes, you can swap the cables around when needed but that's one advantage of the Hysolis system. BUT...for me, the Hysolis has never worked that way properly. The charging share is also important. We have several arrays that point in different directions to catch sun throughout the day. If the units don't charge share, again, your power is limited to whichever unit is lowest on power. So having one unit 50% lower than the other limits overall power availability.
Does the system support AC charging via generator? That's our only alternate charge source besides solar. We have to be able to charge that way. The Hysolis is but it's not as simple as they lead you to believe. The wiring from the generator to the Hysolis units must be wired in a specific way and you absolutely must use an inverter generator that produces a pure sign wave. They don't tell you that.
Those are common issues with a dual power station setup. It will be the same with a Bluetti model, Ecoflow model or even a dual Jackery setup.
1) no dual power station setup that know of will balance / load share the split phase legs, including this one so they have to be completely balanced, which is impossible in my opinion.
2) no power station that I know of will charge off a non inverter generator. They all have a sensitive charging system that requires strict voltage and a sine wave.
Sounds like you need a single unit with 240v output so no requirement to worry about balancing the legs OR a 48v LFP battery / all in one inverter-charger. You'll still need a higher quality inverter generator for both systems though.
@@Jasonoid We did end up buying a large, dual-fuel, inverter generator and, after a lot of back and forth between our electrician and Hysolis, figured out how wire it to make it work properly. Hysolis didn't even know how to until we asked the questions. It costs us quite a bit of $ for our electrician to teach them how to charge their own units.
The new Ecoflow 3 is a single unit 240V split phase system. Hysolis actually offered us a full refund and we could have taken it and just purchased the Ecoflow. But...we want to give Hysolis the chance to correct all this. We've spent so much $ tailoring our setup FOR to Hysolis, we need to give it every chance to work. They Hysolis IS supposed to charge share and self balance power so playing the cord swap game isn't supposed to be necessary. We shall see. But, I'm researching systems now just in case it continues to fail. All these systems make it sound easy.... it's just not. It's expensive and time consuming and incredibly sensitive to a lot of outside factors. But, we don't have a choice. Line power is not an option. It's solar power or no power and we have far too much $ invested at this point to not make it work.
@@michaelknapp5456 off grid power is very expensive, espeically when you don't have the sun around to charge your batteries. 10 to 15 years ago the cost was much much more. These new systems are still expensive but they have reduced the cost significantly vs what it was awhile ago. If I was going with a truly off grid setup I'd probably do a 48v server rack system. I hope you can get all the bugs worked out soon! 👍
That thing is awesome for the price. My only complaint is the fan noise, but it’s decent compared to the competition.
I don’t need 240 volt for things I want to run, but it is really nice for energizing your entire electric panel for your whole house (rather than just a transfer switch).
The fan noise isn't too bad, they don't rev up that high very often, just under peak load.
What do you give up when you pay bottom dollar? Quality. Customer service. Bought the e2000lfp. Lasted a week. Still waiting on replacement. Even if a get a new battery, it’s my last pecron purchase. They only communicate via email. No more than once per day as you explain how it’s broken
That's how any of these companies are, Jackery, EcoFlow, Bluetti. All of their support teams are overseas so you have a 12 hour difference in timezones. If you want USA customer service, go with Goal Zero, pretty sure thats the only US based option.
I would not go with Goal Zero. They DON'T use LiFePO4 batteries!
@@Jasonoid still, my battery lasted a week. No large solar usage, no large appliance used. Just stopped working.
@@jaymedina3142 all their new products do, whole product line in 2024.
@@JasonoidI was able to call anker on the phone with some questions about my solix f3800.The guy was even super helpful with a positive attitude😁
I have a 10 kW solar roof. Can I hook this up to my solar array?
Most likely not. Usually residential solar arrays are wired in strings of series with high levels of voltage. This can only take up to 150v input. If you rewired a few solar panels specifically for this unit, they would work.