With recent Boeing groundings it would make more sence to go the A350 if for nothing else than redundency incase of anymore groundings. I suspect that is why the A320 has been ordered recently - United can see that Boeing is not a manufacturer that they can afford to rely on.
I’m assuming this will likely be a 787 (possibly even Boeing’s potential 787-10ER) or 777X. It’s possible UA could execute a trade with Lufthansa where Lufthansa would acquire their a350 order and UA would acquire their 777X orders.
Lufthansa already has a sizeable A350 fleet but they don't fully do the work Lufthansa plans for the 777X once it arrives, so I am sure that plane will join Lufthansa.
@@oida10000 sure Lufthansa has a large fleet but airlines live fleet simplicity. If it’s too expensive for LH to train their crews and equipment, they may prefer to trade aircraft
Ever since the 747, US airlines have largely shied away from high capacity widebody aircraft. If US airlines are going to order the 777X it will most likely be United and American, and it will most likely be the 777-8 instead of the 777-9.
I'd love to see United order the 777X. A brand-new aircraft for brand-new ultra long-haul flights! Edit: The 777X could also strengthen their partnership with Emirates and they could fly from other airports from the USA to the UAE, such as LAX, SFO, and HNL.
The A350, especially the 1000 variant, is generally a more capable aircraft; they could open up more routes that are not possible on the current Dreamliner fleet, furthermore, it’s a wider aircraft, and they could introduce a new business class product on board.
@@bboyjunyor in that case it apparently is !! They explain the choose will be between A350 and 787 ! I agree that the two are not normal competitors but it is the exception to the rule.
The A359 is not much bigger than the 78X, but it carries a lot more cargo, making it more suitable for certain routes (so much so that they WERE willing to pay much more for the A359, and suffer with the cost of having a mixed fleet)… with air cargo volumes dropping considerably, it may no longer be worth it
Definitely the 787, because as you stated, it just doesn't make sense to bring in a new aircraft manufacturer for wide-bodies. In the middle of a massive pilot shortage, I feel it would be so hard to hire new pilots or train older ones without stressing the fleet and the airline as a whole. It just doesn't make sense from a logistics standpoint.
As a person born in Chicago United has truly a long record of an all Boeing fleet, United became something that made us proud by being your headquarters, but also kept Chicago as your biggest operation. The United Continental merger is what brought in their Air Bus fleet. United would keep their name and keep operations to Chicago,, and Continental accepted but the contract also says United Ceo was let go and Continental Ceo took over
I personally think for any airline to be able to maintain a strong long range presence that they should get A350s, doesn’t mean that they have to replace 787s and 777s if they have those but the A350 can fly farther than any other aircraft and not to mention it’s production is better than the 787s production from what I’ve heard. The 787 is still a fantastic aircraft don’t get me wrong it’s just you’d have to be a fool to not consider the A350.
Hard to beat Boeings prices when their non-union workers, taken right off the street with no prior knowledge. If I remember correctly several of the SC workers even said in an Al Jazeera documentary that they wouldn’t dare fly on the planes they built.
Why did united push its a350 deliveries later into the decade? Might the airline eventually cancel the order like Delta did with 787 after also deffering its delivery several times?
I think they would keep their orders for the 359 steady since their aging 777-200s are nearing an average of 22 years. The A359 is the prefect alternative or replacement for the 772 and also excels completion in that market by offering range and efficiency. Right now there is no alternative to the 772 like the 359. So I think they would keep the order steady and starting to take deliveries around 2024
@@learnolabs8253 But isn't the Boeing 787-10 specifically designed to replace the 777-200 ER and United has the plane in its fleet? That might even be made better now that Boeing might release the 787-10ER. Plus, United deferred its A350 deliveries to 2027. I think united will order the 787 specifically more 787-10s or possibly the -10 ER
@@theskyline1425 some routes operated by the 777-200ER cant be replaced by the 787-10 cos there is not enough range, but i guess if the -10ER comes out united will go for that
It would be wise for them to maintain their deep relationship with Boeing, for several reasons, cost chief among them. With RR stepping away from the Boom project, I wonder if they could leverage their strong relationship with GE to step up to the plate for that project, should United go with a 787/777x order scenario, using GE exclusively for power plants.
They need to let Boeing know they have competition. Just a few years ago, Boeing sold them brand new 737’s for $21 million so they wouldn’t buy A220’s. The 737’s list for $90 million, and most carriers pay about $40-50 million. They got a 75% discount on the list price, and 50% off the price that everyone else pays
I would 100% be interested to see an Airbus widebody added to the United fleet. I think it would be more advantageous for pilots who have flown A319s & A320s because the controls are pretty much the same but more advanced on the A350 which would require little training as it falls under the same type rating as each other.
@@MerkyAviation11 To go from an A320 to an A350 still requires both ground training and additional simulator sessions. There are also more display screens in the A350, and more interchangeable than in the A320.
I’ve never understood an airline having a mixed manufacturer fleet of closely capable aircraft that increases their costs for pilot training, scheduling, maintenance and parts costs, etc. I understand throughly when your current type doesn’t have the range or load capacity needed
As an outsider looking in, I'd argue it's resilience they're after. Sure, when everything goes right, you want a streamlined fleet to maximise profits, but, when things start going wrong you're happy when you have a backup. Say, for example, your airline ordered only 777x's to replace a bunch of aging 777s and 747s, well, you're still waiting on those planes as the delivery dates keep getting pushed back further and further. However, if you ordered both the 777X and the 350, you're probably already replacing the oldest widebodies in your fleet right now, if you've planned ahead you also included escalation clauses so that you can reduce/increase your order of 350s and reduce/increase your order of 777x's for only a small fee, depending on how things go. So now you have an edge over airlines with a pure Boeing fleet because you're flying new and economical wide-body's in the 777/350 class. If, down the line, the 777x turns out to be significantly better than the 350 you can always sell some of your A350s on the second hand market and increase your order for the 777x. The same goes for when a particular aircraft model has to be grounded, if your airline hedged it's bets it can keep flying at least a partial schedule on the affected routes with the similar sized Airbus/Boeing aircraft. Especially outside of low cost carriers, there is value in being able to always deliver, or at least offer another flight that same day. Business passengers are likely willing to pay a premium for that kind of reliability, while an airline that has a single manufacturer fleet might have no choice but to temporarily cancel routes. Finally, when it comes to ordering new aircraft, manufacturers value repeat customers, so if your airline has a history of ordering at least some of every new aircraft type from a manufacturer, they're more likely to give you early delivery slots. If you're also buying the competition, you also get extra leverage in negotiations, because the cost for your airline to shift entirely to the competition in a particular class is that much lower than for a fully streamlined airline. For example, Ryanair isn't going to switch to an A320 fleet unless they get a ridiculous discount, so regardless of how hardball the negotiations are, Boeing knows it's going to sell them the 737Max in the end. (of course streamlined airlines tend to negotiate bulk prices as they order larger amounts of the same aircraft.)
@@jlorenz55 Sure, they tend to lease a good part of their fleet, which does give them even more flexibility. However, they don't necessarily have a 'primary' type, that's the whole point. Being able to go back and forth between types depending on the route, availability of planes and groundings etc. If you have 90% 787s and 10% A330neo aircraft, you're going to struggle to even provide a minimum service on those routes if the 787 is grounded, so considering the 787 is a more modern and more economical aircraft, you're going to have more like 60-70% 787s and 30-40% A330neo, and then if a replacement from Airbus comes out, you might gradually re-balance it with 30-40% 787s and 60-70% of the new type. You have enough pilots, maintenance crews, etc, to handle such a change because both types have been in your fleet in significant numbers.
I would imagine they will go with the Dreamliners because of costs and the fact their long haul fleet is currently 100% Boeing. However, in my opinion, the Airbus' would provide them with fewer headaches if recent events at Boeing are anything to go by
I dunno about that Airbus still hasn't fixed the paint problem with the A350, which would at the least cause the planes to be pulled out of service earlier to be repainted. I saw pictures where the mesh was damaged to the point where the carbon fiber was exposed to the elements which I don't think is a immediate air safety issue, but I think it will cause the carbon fiber body to decay faster in the long term which in turn could lessen the life of the air frame.
The 787 would be the obvious choice here. Less expensive and they know it’s a good jet. I hope to see some 777x orders though too since their 777-200 fleet is only getting older. Maybe an order for the 777-8?
I say they will stick with the Boeing 787 aircraft’s as it is cheaper to train pilots and the aircraft has them already so the pilots and flight attendants are fully trained to work on them
UAL is probably looking to replace their old 76 as well as 777 aircraft, so I would guess they will probably place an order with BOE. The A350 is a beautiful and capable aircraft, however, the fact that they've deferred delivery several times already speaks volumes about their unwillingness to operate that platform.
Considering United evolved out of Boeing, they have been a major purchaser of Boeing aircraft. I think it will be a Boeing B787 order made up of B787-9 and B787-10 'extended range' variants.
We cannot speak for them but the main deciding factor would probably be what capacity do they need. If they except a lot of demand they will go with the A350, if not, they'll go with the 787 !
The most critical information for United to choose between the A350 and the B787 is missing in the video: the Airbus purchase cancellation fee. Knowing such amount would be key to predict what plane will United choose. I just hope they not only keep the current Airbus 350 order but also increase it with a bigger purchase!
The A350 is capable of conducting a flight from A to B basically without pilots. That is very, very enticing for airlines. We will not see pilotless flights anytime soon but having the plane that can do that already...
Do we think Widebodys will start becoming more popular for domestic flights? Less pilots, less flights seems like the easy way to fix the airline labor shortage
It makes sense on paper, but in practice airlines know they'll put themselves at a competitive disadvantage as flyers seem to prefer increased time flexibility regardless of the size of the plane.
I think United Airlines will order more 787 Dreamliners and I think if United were to consider larger wide bodies that the Boeing 777X family could be seriously considered… I honestly hope and think that going with the 787 & 777X would make a lot of sense, especially since United has been a decades long loyal Boeing customer and they were also the first US carrier to order the groundbreaking 787 so I think they could score a very good deal for the 777X 👍🇺🇸
United Airlines should bring A380 for a long haul such as Sydney and Melbourne Australia flights also to Asia flights. United also should get new 787 and 777 300er and improve premium seats to a sleeper seats. In a long haul flights such as Sydney Australia flights United should provide full meal and snacks not just pretzels and water.
In the interest of cutting cost and not paying a competitor for maintenance fees, United is trying to "sweeten" the deal with Boeing for the B787; and, maybe, hinting, for a B797?!
Well, it's hard to decide for United. United has always been a huge 787 fan (As well as American), and I doubt they'll order more A350s. American also ordered the A350-900 back in the 2010s, and now look at them. AA has canceled the order. I think United could eventually unfortunately cancel the A350-900 order. Yet again, it would be amazing if United ordered the 777X. The 777X will help United strengthen their partnership with EK, and they could have the 777X go on ultra-long routes such as LAX-DXB and EWR-SIN (Which EK and SQ operate).
It will be 787s. You all are just talking about training pilots if Scott goes a350. You forget ground crew. The controls on the ground for cargo doors, panel layouts, panel locations.. all this would need to be trained to the ground crew servicing the aircraft. Whereas for the 787, we already know where these things are and how they work. Opening cargo doors on a 320 and a 737 are very different. And i suspect that holds true for the difference between the 787 and 350.
My suggestion for United: A220 replaces 50-seater RJ. 737 MAX 7 replaces A319/A320 and 737-700. 737 MAX 8 replaces 737-800. 737 MAX 9 replaces 737-900ER. 737 MAX 10 replaces p.s. 757-200 and serves as an interim for the Boeing NMA. A321neo replaces 737-900. A321XLR replaces transatlantic 757-200. 787-8 / NMA replaces 757-300 and 767-300ER. 787-9 replaces GE 777-200ER. 787-9LR used to launch ULH routes ORD/EWR-SYD and EWR/IAD-JNB. 787-10 replaces 767-400ER and PW 777-200. 787-10ER replaces PW 777-200ER. 777-9X eventually replaces 777-300ER. Being ordered as part of a proposed trade-in deal
People always compare the 787 and A350 as equals but really the A350 is more of a 777 replacement, especially the -1000 variant. Many of UA's 777s are aging and will need replacement soon. With the problems the 777X is facing, it wouldn't surprise me if they went with the A350-1000 version.
But the thing is most 777-300ER operators will not replace their jets 1 to 1 in terms of capacity. They will most likely downsize to the 787/a359. The a350-1000 will have a hard time selling more especially with the 787/a359 proving less riskier, in these uncertain times. We are not really sure how travel demand will recover in the future. Th 777X seems big but not to current/ former a380 and 747 operators . Its a perfect jet for those downsizing from the larger 4 engined beasts
As you mentioned that The Airline is reconsidering its order on Airbus ,,,if that is so probably they are having consideration for Boing cost of fuel being the primary factor apart other consideration including engine issueperhaps
I expect Boeing will do big discounts to get that order, probably with the help of GE for the power plants. Airbus would be lucky to get some A350 sold to UA.
Why does everyone assume Boeing only sells jets because it offers discounts? Can't it be about the capabilities of the aircraft itself? Isn't the 787 capable of attracting orders without discounts ?
I think the 787 because of the airbus Qatar dispute over the A350. Not saying that'll be the sole reason, just that it could be a factor. I might be completely wrong and I'm OK with that.
@@Bb13190 There is not. Apparently airbus has fixed the problem and planes produced since the change will not be affected. One could SPECULATE that Airbus's lack of transparency on this issue would give some customers pause to purchase from Airbus. I don't see where this is happening.
@@danharold3087 i completely agree. And I would argue that the plane have been extra scrutinize due to the law suit and no further default have been found. And since both Qatar Airways and Aerflot A350 orders have been canceled. There are slot available a lot sooner that for the 787 which just restarted production.
@@Bb13190 I too completely, Seems Boeing is still being cautious building only 2 787s per month. No idea how long it will take to reach the desired rate of 5. Airbus is build 5 A350s and wants to go to 6 next year. Widebody demand is growing. It should be interesting.
United is in the business to make money and for sure the B787 is the ideal to reach that goal. The A350 is a lot more expensive and with all the issues associated with Qatar claims and other airlines, I don’t see United joining them to create a class action against Airbus
I think it’s safe to say that the general perception is that UA are more likely to order Boeing widebodys than Airbus however Airbus may have a few tricks up their sleeves. Pilot training, the A320 XLR pilots with minimal training can also fly the A350. Aircraft availability and price, with Aeroflot and Qatar now not taking their ordered ships there ar som early line slots and at potentially competitive prices, add to that the existing order which is probably bargain basement price Airbus should be capable of competing with Boeing. Finally,with such a large potential order both Rolls Royce and Airbus will sharpen their maintenance pricing pens to accommodate Delta. At the moment it’s anybody’s order.
I don't agree with Commerce USA. The US airlines care about the bottom line and customers care about ticket prices. Airlines run such a close margin that getting the best plane match is far more important than the nationalism card.
It is sad when you see corporation buying the second best product just for patriotic reasons (aka "optics") They should buy the A350, it is a superior product compared to what Boeing has to offer.
The 787-10 has a lower seat cost , is more efficient , can carry more cargo and more passengers than the a350-900. So what exactly makes the a350 "superior " while the stats prove otherwise
United would definitely choose the 787. I would prefer the A350 all the way but logically United would purchase the 787
Indeed, especially for an airline with a shaky on time rate, to have more redundancy in your fleet can help improve that.
With recent Boeing groundings it would make more sence to go the A350 if for nothing else than redundency incase of anymore groundings. I suspect that is why the A320 has been ordered recently - United can see that Boeing is not a manufacturer that they can afford to rely on.
None of boeing delivery issues have been with 787. I could see them ordering 777x as their last major WB order was 777-300er.
Thank you. Didn't know that Delta held an exclusive maintenance contract for RR engines. Interesting...
I’m assuming this will likely be a 787 (possibly even Boeing’s potential 787-10ER) or 777X. It’s possible UA could execute a trade with Lufthansa where Lufthansa would acquire their a350 order and UA would acquire their 777X orders.
Lufthansa already has a sizeable A350 fleet but they don't fully do the work Lufthansa plans for the 777X once it arrives, so I am sure that plane will join Lufthansa.
@@oida10000 sure Lufthansa has a large fleet but airlines live fleet simplicity. If it’s too expensive for LH to train their crews and equipment, they may prefer to trade aircraft
@@GoalHornGeek They won’t trade. The 777X brings capacity which is needed when the 747 need replacement
@@Sedna063 yeah but they have the -8i and there is less need for 747 capacity aircraft
@@GoalHornGeek the 747-8 are to replace Lufthansa a380 and the 777X will replace the 747-400 and the a340s
The 787 makes the most sense as they already operate the type whereas the a350 would require more complexity with pilot and maintenance crews.
Probably the 787s. They already have them. Costs more to buy new A350s and train pilots on them.
787-10ER variant (if made) to replace the aging 777-200s from Continental.
Ever since the 747, US airlines have largely shied away from high capacity widebody aircraft. If US airlines are going to order the 777X it will most likely be United and American, and it will most likely be the 777-8 instead of the 777-9.
I'd love to see United order the 777X. A brand-new aircraft for brand-new ultra long-haul flights!
Edit: The 777X could also strengthen their partnership with Emirates and they could fly from other airports from the USA to the UAE, such as LAX, SFO, and HNL.
@@RashadKhanAviation2023 Somehow I could see EK adding DXB-DEN to their route network.
@@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102 I could definitely see that as well! DXB-DEN and back would super strengthen EK & UA’s relationship!
The A350, especially the 1000 variant, is generally a more capable aircraft; they could open up more routes that are not possible on the current Dreamliner fleet, furthermore, it’s a wider aircraft, and they could introduce a new business class product on board.
787 is not really a competitor to a350. It.s more like a330neo vs b787 and a350 vs b777 or b777x
@@bboyjunyor in that case it apparently is !! They explain the choose will be between A350 and 787 !
I agree that the two are not normal competitors but it is the exception to the rule.
@@Bb13190 agree that a359 can compete.. not perfect comparison but I guess you can stretch it.. with the 78X but I wouldn't generalize it!
They’re not introducing a new business class product. That’s for sure. Perhaps very minor tweaks to the current Polaris Suites
The A359 is not much bigger than the 78X, but it carries a lot more cargo, making it more suitable for certain routes (so much so that they WERE willing to pay much more for the A359, and suffer with the cost of having a mixed fleet)… with air cargo volumes dropping considerably, it may no longer be worth it
Definitely the 787, because as you stated, it just doesn't make sense to bring in a new aircraft manufacturer for wide-bodies. In the middle of a massive pilot shortage, I feel it would be so hard to hire new pilots or train older ones without stressing the fleet and the airline as a whole. It just doesn't make sense from a logistics standpoint.
As a person born in Chicago United has truly a long record of an all Boeing fleet, United became something that made us proud by being your headquarters, but also kept Chicago as your biggest operation. The United Continental merger is what brought in their Air Bus fleet. United would keep their name and keep operations to Chicago,, and Continental accepted but the contract also says United Ceo was let go and Continental Ceo took over
United's Airbus planes are legacy pre-merger planes.
The only reason for keeping the A350 order is for leverage, they do not want it as they prefer Boeing widebodies
You mean to get a discount from Boeing for cancelling the 350s?
I personally think for any airline to be able to maintain a strong long range presence that they should get A350s, doesn’t mean that they have to replace 787s and 777s if they have those but the A350 can fly farther than any other aircraft and not to mention it’s production is better than the 787s production from what I’ve heard. The 787 is still a fantastic aircraft don’t get me wrong it’s just you’d have to be a fool to not consider the A350.
Hard to beat Boeings prices when their non-union workers, taken right off the street with no prior knowledge.
If I remember correctly several of the SC workers even said in an Al Jazeera documentary that they wouldn’t dare fly on the planes they built.
@@user-gc1ky2rf3y damn, really seems like Boeing is going down hill
@@user-gc1ky2rf3y clown
Why did united push its a350 deliveries later into the decade? Might the airline eventually cancel the order like Delta did with 787 after also deffering its delivery several times?
That’s pretty much what it is
I think they would keep their orders for the 359 steady since their aging 777-200s are nearing an average of 22 years. The A359 is the prefect alternative or replacement for the 772 and also excels completion in that market by offering range and efficiency. Right now there is no alternative to the 772 like the 359. So I think they would keep the order steady and starting to take deliveries around 2024
@@learnolabs8253 But isn't the Boeing 787-10 specifically designed to replace the 777-200 ER and United has the plane in its fleet?
That might even be made better now that Boeing might release the 787-10ER. Plus, United deferred its A350 deliveries to 2027. I think united will order the 787 specifically more 787-10s or possibly the -10 ER
@@theskyline1425 some routes operated by the 777-200ER cant be replaced by the 787-10 cos there is not enough range, but i guess if the -10ER comes out united will go for that
Enter the 777-8
It would be wise for them to maintain their deep relationship with Boeing, for several reasons, cost chief among them.
With RR stepping away from the Boom project, I wonder if they could leverage their strong relationship with GE to step up to the plate for that project, should United go with a 787/777x order scenario, using GE exclusively for power plants.
They need to let Boeing know they have competition. Just a few years ago, Boeing sold them brand new 737’s for $21 million so they wouldn’t buy A220’s. The 737’s list for $90 million, and most carriers pay about $40-50 million. They got a 75% discount on the list price, and 50% off the price that everyone else pays
I would 100% be interested to see an Airbus widebody added to the United fleet. I think it would be more advantageous for pilots who have flown A319s & A320s because the controls are pretty much the same but more advanced on the A350 which would require little training as it falls under the same type rating as each other.
The controls are not the same, though the flight decks are similar. A lot more goes into operating a widebody aircraft than just flight controls.
@@sainnt In what sense?
@@sainnt or they can do what ANA did, the same pilots that fly the a320 fly the a380 simultaneously.
@@MerkyAviation11 To go from an A320 to an A350 still requires both ground training and additional simulator sessions. There are also more display screens in the A350, and more interchangeable than in the A320.
Cool, now add free in flight Wi-Fi and it'll be a game changer.
A350 pleaseee
I’ve never understood an airline having a mixed manufacturer fleet of closely capable aircraft that increases their costs for pilot training, scheduling, maintenance and parts costs, etc. I understand throughly when your current type doesn’t have the range or load capacity needed
As an outsider looking in, I'd argue it's resilience they're after. Sure, when everything goes right, you want a streamlined fleet to maximise profits, but, when things start going wrong you're happy when you have a backup.
Say, for example, your airline ordered only 777x's to replace a bunch of aging 777s and 747s, well, you're still waiting on those planes as the delivery dates keep getting pushed back further and further. However, if you ordered both the 777X and the 350, you're probably already replacing the oldest widebodies in your fleet right now, if you've planned ahead you also included escalation clauses so that you can reduce/increase your order of 350s and reduce/increase your order of 777x's for only a small fee, depending on how things go. So now you have an edge over airlines with a pure Boeing fleet because you're flying new and economical wide-body's in the 777/350 class. If, down the line, the 777x turns out to be significantly better than the 350 you can always sell some of your A350s on the second hand market and increase your order for the 777x.
The same goes for when a particular aircraft model has to be grounded, if your airline hedged it's bets it can keep flying at least a partial schedule on the affected routes with the similar sized Airbus/Boeing aircraft. Especially outside of low cost carriers, there is value in being able to always deliver, or at least offer another flight that same day. Business passengers are likely willing to pay a premium for that kind of reliability, while an airline that has a single manufacturer fleet might have no choice but to temporarily cancel routes.
Finally, when it comes to ordering new aircraft, manufacturers value repeat customers, so if your airline has a history of ordering at least some of every new aircraft type from a manufacturer, they're more likely to give you early delivery slots. If you're also buying the competition, you also get extra leverage in negotiations, because the cost for your airline to shift entirely to the competition in a particular class is that much lower than for a fully streamlined airline. For example, Ryanair isn't going to switch to an A320 fleet unless they get a ridiculous discount, so regardless of how hardball the negotiations are, Boeing knows it's going to sell them the 737Max in the end. (of course streamlined airlines tend to negotiate bulk prices as they order larger amounts of the same aircraft.)
@@mariusdufour9186 So wouldn’t they just lease instead of buy if they didn’t think they could get delivery of their primary type?
@@jlorenz55 Sure, they tend to lease a good part of their fleet, which does give them even more flexibility. However, they don't necessarily have a 'primary' type, that's the whole point. Being able to go back and forth between types depending on the route, availability of planes and groundings etc. If you have 90% 787s and 10% A330neo aircraft, you're going to struggle to even provide a minimum service on those routes if the 787 is grounded, so considering the 787 is a more modern and more economical aircraft, you're going to have more like 60-70% 787s and 30-40% A330neo, and then if a replacement from Airbus comes out, you might gradually re-balance it with 30-40% 787s and 60-70% of the new type. You have enough pilots, maintenance crews, etc, to handle such a change because both types have been in your fleet in significant numbers.
I would imagine they will go with the Dreamliners because of costs and the fact their long haul fleet is currently 100% Boeing. However, in my opinion, the Airbus' would provide them with fewer headaches if recent events at Boeing are anything to go by
I dunno about that Airbus still hasn't fixed the paint problem with the A350, which would at the least cause the planes to be pulled out of service earlier to be repainted. I saw pictures where the mesh was damaged to the point where the carbon fiber was exposed to the elements which I don't think is a immediate air safety issue, but I think it will cause the carbon fiber body to decay faster in the long term which in turn could lessen the life of the air frame.
The 787 would be the obvious choice here. Less expensive and they know it’s a good jet. I hope to see some 777x orders though too since their 777-200 fleet is only getting older. Maybe an order for the 777-8?
I guess they will use a combination of 787-9 and 777-8 to replace the 772
I say they will stick with the Boeing 787 aircraft’s as it is cheaper to train pilots and the aircraft has them already so the pilots and flight attendants are fully trained to work on them
UAL is probably looking to replace their old 76 as well as 777 aircraft, so I would guess they will probably place an order with BOE. The A350 is a beautiful and capable aircraft, however, the fact that they've deferred delivery several times already speaks volumes about their unwillingness to operate that platform.
The 787 is beautifull also but the HGW can will be a "more A350 killer"...
I think it will be 747-8
That'd be awesome
They’ll need a time machine
They should get a 747-800
Considering United evolved out of Boeing, they have been a major purchaser of Boeing aircraft. I think it will be a Boeing B787 order made up of B787-9 and B787-10 'extended range' variants.
Scott Kirby has been spending crazy money on the fleet
Gosh I wish they place a sizable order for the 777X 😣
We cannot speak for them but the main deciding factor would probably be what capacity do they need.
If they except a lot of demand they will go with the A350, if not, they'll go with the 787 !
The most critical information for United to choose between the A350 and the B787 is missing in the video: the Airbus purchase cancellation fee. Knowing such amount would be key to predict what plane will United choose. I just hope they not only keep the current Airbus 350 order but also increase it with a bigger purchase!
He’s gonna have Airbus and Boeing fight for the order. The best offer will win. It’s why he’s talking about it now.
The A350 is capable of conducting a flight from A to B basically without pilots. That is very, very enticing for airlines. We will not see pilotless flights anytime soon but having the plane that can do that already...
A350👌🏾
They may go for the 787, just a gut feeling for me.
Do we think Widebodys will start becoming more popular for domestic flights? Less pilots, less flights seems like the easy way to fix the airline labor shortage
It makes sense on paper, but in practice airlines know they'll put themselves at a competitive disadvantage as flyers seem to prefer increased time flexibility regardless of the size of the plane.
I think United Airlines will order more 787 Dreamliners and I think if United were to consider larger wide bodies that the Boeing 777X family could be seriously considered… I honestly hope and think that going with the 787 & 777X would make a lot of sense, especially since United has been a decades long loyal Boeing customer and they were also the first US carrier to order the groundbreaking 787 so I think they could score a very good deal for the 777X 👍🇺🇸
Hopefully United will go with both aircrafts because both aircrafts are awesome aeroplanes period
United Airlines should bring A380 for a long haul such as Sydney and Melbourne Australia flights also to Asia flights. United also should get new 787 and 777 300er and improve premium seats to a sleeper seats. In a long haul flights such as Sydney Australia flights United should provide full meal and snacks not just pretzels and water.
I sure hope they go for the A350-1000, but that's not realistically going to happen.
There’s a place for each, if you have the routes to maximize the efficiency of each of the products.
As a United Airlines employee based in Houston Texas. IAH... 787
In the interest of cutting cost and not paying a competitor for maintenance fees, United is trying to "sweeten" the deal with Boeing for the B787; and, maybe, hinting, for a B797?!
Well, it's hard to decide for United. United has always been a huge 787 fan (As well as American), and I doubt they'll order more A350s. American also ordered the A350-900 back in the 2010s, and now look at them. AA has canceled the order. I think United could eventually unfortunately cancel the A350-900 order. Yet again, it would be amazing if United ordered the 777X. The 777X will help United strengthen their partnership with EK, and they could have the 777X go on ultra-long routes such as LAX-DXB and EWR-SIN (Which EK and SQ operate).
kinda no brainer 787
It will be 787s. You all are just talking about training pilots if Scott goes a350. You forget ground crew. The controls on the ground for cargo doors, panel layouts, panel locations.. all this would need to be trained to the ground crew servicing the aircraft. Whereas for the 787, we already know where these things are and how they work. Opening cargo doors on a 320 and a 737 are very different. And i suspect that holds true for the difference between the 787 and 350.
My suggestion for United:
A220 replaces 50-seater RJ.
737 MAX 7 replaces A319/A320 and 737-700.
737 MAX 8 replaces 737-800.
737 MAX 9 replaces 737-900ER.
737 MAX 10 replaces p.s. 757-200 and serves as an interim for the Boeing NMA.
A321neo replaces 737-900.
A321XLR replaces transatlantic 757-200.
787-8 / NMA replaces 757-300 and 767-300ER.
787-9 replaces GE 777-200ER.
787-9LR used to launch ULH routes ORD/EWR-SYD and EWR/IAD-JNB.
787-10 replaces 767-400ER and PW 777-200.
787-10ER replaces PW 777-200ER.
777-9X eventually replaces 777-300ER. Being ordered as part of a proposed trade-in deal
Scope clauses prevent A220's from being used by regional airlines
People always compare the 787 and A350 as equals but really the A350 is more of a 777 replacement, especially the -1000 variant. Many of UA's 777s are aging and will need replacement soon. With the problems the 777X is facing, it wouldn't surprise me if they went with the A350-1000 version.
But the thing is most 777-300ER operators will not replace their jets 1 to 1 in terms of capacity. They will most likely downsize to the 787/a359.
The a350-1000 will have a hard time selling more especially with the 787/a359 proving less riskier, in these uncertain times. We are not really sure how travel demand will recover in the future.
Th 777X seems big but not to current/ former a380 and 747 operators . Its a perfect jet for those downsizing from the larger 4 engined beasts
But United itself is saying it’s going to be between the 787 or A350. I get what you’re saying but that isn’t how this particular airline sees it.
As you mentioned that The Airline is reconsidering its order on Airbus ,,,if that is so probably they are having consideration for Boing cost of fuel being the primary factor apart other consideration including engine issueperhaps
The 787 United has been a Boeing customer for a long time
I expect Boeing will do big discounts to get that order, probably with the help of GE for the power plants. Airbus would be lucky to get some A350 sold to UA.
Why does everyone assume Boeing only sells jets because it offers discounts?
Can't it be about the capabilities of the aircraft itself? Isn't the 787 capable of attracting orders without discounts ?
I wish 787 but I think that he will order some more a350 and 777X (when the deliveries start)
Did Boeing 777X also included?
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Surely has to be the 787. United already has a shed load of them so is hardly likely to change now.
They talk too much. 787 Dreamliner is very good for United
If they did order tons of B787, then A350 would be dead. They would converted those order for more A321neo/XLR.
787 definitely
This is Boeing's order to lose. The 787 will make the most sense for it's fleet.
United Airlines should purchase A350-1000's
A350 better but then politics gets involved…
The Boeing 787, but is "flirting" with Airbus to leverage Boeing.
I think the 787 because of the airbus Qatar dispute over the A350. Not saying that'll be the sole reason, just that it could be a factor. I might be completely wrong and I'm OK with that.
I don't see the relation between the two ?!
@@Bb13190 There is not. Apparently airbus has fixed the problem and planes produced since the change will not be affected. One could SPECULATE that Airbus's lack of transparency on this issue would give some customers pause to purchase from Airbus. I don't see where this is happening.
@@danharold3087 i completely agree. And I would argue that the plane have been extra scrutinize due to the law suit and no further default have been found.
And since both Qatar Airways and Aerflot A350 orders have been canceled. There are slot available a lot sooner that for the 787 which just restarted production.
@@Bb13190 I too completely, Seems Boeing is still being cautious building only 2 787s per month. No idea how long it will take to reach the desired rate of 5. Airbus is build 5 A350s and wants to go to 6 next year. Widebody demand is growing. It should be interesting.
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They better choose the A350!
Oh Wade you are such a pill.
Order the 777-9s
They will think passenger comfort and financial feasibility.
United is in the business to make money and for sure the B787 is the ideal to reach that goal. The A350 is a lot more expensive and with all the issues associated with Qatar claims and other airlines, I don’t see United joining them to create a class action against Airbus
Why didn't UA order the 777x? I am massively disappointed.
I think A-350 would be a great replacement for B777-200s and 767-300s.
But what about those wings....those crappy wings.
I think it’s safe to say that the general perception is that UA are more likely to order Boeing widebodys than Airbus however Airbus may have a few tricks up their sleeves. Pilot training, the A320 XLR pilots with minimal training can also fly the A350. Aircraft availability and price, with Aeroflot and Qatar now not taking their ordered ships there ar som early line slots and at potentially competitive prices, add to that the existing order which is probably bargain basement price Airbus should be capable of competing with Boeing. Finally,with such a large potential order both Rolls Royce and Airbus will sharpen their maintenance pricing pens to accommodate Delta. At the moment it’s anybody’s order.
No way is United going to order the A350.
More 787s because they have it already
787 ER
787 would be the perfect choice for united. it is highly reliable and united already operates the type, so it'll be less costly for the airline.
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Now if they could only solve the problem about the seats being too wide.
There is a growing sentiment to make America first. United should pay attention to that if they care about customer loyalty in the US skies.
Maybe your name gave your bias away?
Commerce USA that's blackmail!
@@jungbolosse3034 an observation isn't blackmail, but, thanks for playing. 😉
I don't agree with Commerce USA. The US airlines care about the bottom line and customers care about ticket prices. Airlines run such a close margin that getting the best plane match is far more important than the nationalism card.
They better buy Boeing...........................................OR ELSE it's BOYCOTT time in American
Boom jet. No new wides.
Boom is dead
What
@@F40M07 Rolls royce quit and the program will end most likely
Oh yeah I forgot about RR
A350 1000 is okay
It is sad when you see corporation buying the second best product just for patriotic reasons (aka "optics") They should buy the A350, it is a superior product compared to what Boeing has to offer.
Lol
Can you watch video?
The 787-10 has a lower seat cost , is more efficient , can carry more cargo and more passengers than the a350-900. So what exactly makes the a350 "superior " while the stats prove otherwise
With the history of United the 787 will be the one but I wish there a United a350.
What specifically are you referring too?
@@danharold3087 Boeing and United
Poggers 👀
United has gone downhill. No glam no glitz no true first class and a mediocre business class
Again with the worlds worst airline
United isn't the worst airline, not even close. I'm not some big United fan, but I have had worse experiences, and have heard of worse airlines.
Best*
Though its a pretty bad airline, its far from being the worst airline
@@andrewkenobi9486 *worst
@@farmingpotato3372 It is the worst airline 😂