EP11 Project Lotus Hunter. 6 Speed (C60) Transmission and LSD preparation for 2ZZ Swap MR2 Spyder
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- A good 2zz Swap into an Mr2 should include the 6 speed C60 Transmission! A good C60 Transmission should include an LSD (Limited slip differential)! Let me show you what you need to do, to prepare your transmission for the swap and find out the fastest way to install an LSD!
I hope you enjoy this video, lots of effort has gone into it!
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Important Disclaimer:
This way of installing an LSD does not verify the Pre-Load of your Differential. Although in Theory and in various cases where I have used this technique it has worked just fine over 10s of thousands of Kms and hundreds of Race Laps, it isn't according to the Toyota Manual which suggests a Pre-Load check with a much longer process. Use this LSD installation technique at your own risk. I will not be held responsible for damage caused to your transmission!
Now that we got that out of the video, ENJOY :-)
Swapping the 2zz-ge into a Toyota Mr2 Spyder (MR-S zzw30) is nice and all, but one needs to take care of the gearbox so the swap can be a true success and enjoy all the extra fun that the engine will bring! The 5 Speed isn't as well staged for the the high reving 2zz engine. This is why, If you can, try to swap the transmission too! Its well worth it.
Furthermore, if you do go for a 6 speed (or even the 5 speed) one of the most rewarding parts to have in a Midship car is to have an LSD Differential. This will improve handling hugely!
By Watching this video, you will have a full step by step Process on how to do the mentioned modifications to your C60 6 Speed transmission:
This is part one with lots of details and over 30minutes of footage!
I also finally got my hands on some new Camera Gear. A Canon M50, Lenses and a Good Microphone!
Enjoy!!!
Step by Step Process:
1:07 5 Speed VS 6 Speed Transmissions. Whats the difference? Comparison
2:42 Disassembly of the C60 Transmission: 6 Speed
2:54 Shifter Linkage removal (from 6 speed)
3:44 Removal of Blocking mechanisms in the transmission
4:45 Removal of all screws holding the 2 transmission halves together
5:00 Don't forget the 3 Screws in the bell housing
7:03 Crack transmission open (and watch out not to drop reverse pinion and forks)
7:28 Remove Open-Diff from 6 speed (discard, far away :-)
8:39 Do same steps for the 5 speed, almost identical process as above
8:47 The OS-Giken Superlock LSD! Take it out of the 5 Speed to reuse in the C60
9:50 Comparison: Open Differential and LSD (Limited Slip differential)
14:51 Remove useful parts from 5 speed, to begin outer seal
15:29 Remove bearing half in Transmission casings, 2x (in 5 speed)
17:04 Same process in 6 speed, remove all rings so they can be replaced (leave the shims in the right place and order, SUPER IMPORTANT!)
17:54 Reinstall new bearing rings into transmission cases and the shim in between
18:49 Reinstall seals
21.04 Remove Crown from LSD and install the 6 speed crown to the new LSD
23:17 Don't Forget to Loctite the screws holding the crown to the LSD!!!
24:20 Tighten bolts to LSD at 77 Newton Meters
25:31 Install new LSD into C60 Transmission
26:15 Clean surface and apply sealant (paste)
26:23 Close Transmission
28:41 Make sure to check if the Gears all work flawlessly
29:47 Tighten all screws to spec
30:44 Reinstall all blocking shafts and mechanisms into the transmission and tighten to spec
32:22 Final Result
Thats it for Part one! Thanks for watching!
This is Part 1 of 2, of the Transmission conversion video I have made. In the next video you will see how to convert the shifter mechanism to fit an MR Car (the Mr2) and all the finishing details to convert your transmission to be bolt on and plug and play in the ZZW30 chassis!
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Jesse, I have done this twice now. I still struggle getting the reverse gear and arm back in position. For me, by far the worst part of the job. The reverse switch has to be removed to allow the actuating arm to slide far enough to engage the reverse lever. While a video makes this look easy, it is not a small job, and it is almost impossible for one person to do it alone (transmission is also very hard to support securely in the proper position). I also recommend that an individual doing this for the first time reassembles the transmission dry (no sealant) to ensure they can do it properly and the transmission works. Otherwise you have sealant everywhere that must be removed again from two case surfaces if you make a mistake.
Hi! I’ve done it too a quite a few times ;-) pratice makes it easier hahah.
No I know its not that easy. But I did pull it off live in front of the camera with my 10y/o daughter so its doable ;-)
Thanks for the input, its important people get other feedback too
finding this very helpful as a step by step guide......as i will be doing exactly the same to my black MR2...i almost have all the parts i require...keep up the great work :)
Thanks buddy! If my videos can help people to build cool cars, its a success 😊👍🏼
Good luck on your build!
Another great video, on a complex subject. Thanks for the info on LSD. You and your daughter work very well together on the reassembly 👍👍
Thanks a lot man for your comment 🙏🏻🔥🔥
Cute assistant 💜
Thanks :-)
Very helpful & clearly explained!
Thanks man! Next video of part 2 coming thursday! Stay tuned ;-)
Great video, very informative. Looking at doing this on mine. I have a factory torsen differential in my current 5 speed. Will swap it to my 6 speed C64.
Thanks man! That is a good idea! It will improve greatly the handling. By the way if you know anymody who wants a Used Torsen LSD, I have one in stock for sale!
Do you have top anything special with this OEM LSD?? Or just install it fill and with MT90 and go??
@@JesseSpec Do you have top anything special with this OEM LSD?? Or just install it fill and with MT90 and go??
@@Champagne0706 hello! I am not sure I understand what you are asking. Can you reformulate please?
@@JesseSpec I'm sorry, I didn't realize I typed that wrong.... Do you have to do anything special with the OEM LSD on the install side of things? Or do you just remove the existing open diff, replace it with the LSD, fill gear box with MT90 and go? Hopefully this makes more sense to you.
Hey Jesse, thank you for the very useful reassembly. i used it on my c60 transmission and i it works 💪but it leaks on the driver side from the new seal i put in. so i just watched you're vid again and notice that you mention it needs to go in with a certain depth, but i have a hard time finding that measurement. can you remember how deep it most go in ? its around 19:00 you working on that same seal :)
Hi, thanks for your comment! I am happy to hear my video is useful to you 😊
Regarding that seal leak, I don’t remeber the depth. But I would suggest you get the workshop manual and use that information.
Good luck!
Best regards.
Jesse
Hey ! thx for your video ! it's realy helped me to open my C60 transmission, I just needed to change my front case seal.
Since I open the gearbox i'm thinking about remplacing my open dif to an lsd but i have a question, in what transmission I can found an lsd that can go in my C60 ?
You used an 5speeds.... C50 ?
That is awesome to hear the video helped! You are welcome.
You can use any lsd you find that is available and compatible with 5 or 6 speed transmissions.
Depending where you are im the world I can even sell you a brand new one, like the one I installed in my video.
Good video, very informative, but waht size of bearing, or numbers? I planing to do it and buy bearings before it. Amaizing job Jesse!
Hello,
Thanks for your comments. Maybe somebody else in this comment section can answer this? hahah I don't know it by heart. But what I would highly recommend is that you download a Workshop manual and normally you have all the references needed in order to get the right parts. To be honest, I always ordered with both Vin Numbers (Mr2 and Corolla TS) to get the right parts. Good luck to you! 🙂
Thanks@@JesseSpec you are right, manuals needs downloud, it will be better to start.
Good!@@mariusmaskaliunas6898
thank you for this video
Thanks for your feedback! Could you use the info in your own build?
Im thinking of getting a matrix xrs
@@tomchick123 awesome! Do you plan to use the matrix as a donor for a swap?
@JesseSpec So im curious. Is it absolutely necessary to buy the shifter shaft or can you reuse the one from the 5 speed on mr2 spyder?
Yes you have to, I am afraid 😧
Is this the shortcut way to open and close a C60? I am thinking of buying a used good C60 and then replacing the OD for LSD just like this video. But I can not seem to find a reference or information on how to close the C60. I seen there was a video series on the Long way with Synchros and gears completely removed, I am not looking to go that far ;(
Appreciate you and the support. More on 2ZZ! ;)
Yes it is. Watch all my transmission videos including this one (until the end) and you will see how to do It. They will show all the steps. Good luck 👍🏼
@@JesseSpec When u and ur beautiful good daughter were closing it, what was the goal? input and output Shafts into their holes? Then the reverse shaft slipped? Does it have to be in Neutral?
Right now I have a slight grind only coming down from 3rd to 2nd. Original clutch at 120 miles and will need to replace soon. What clutch setup do u recommend for the streets? I want to get the c60 lsd before clutch goes do it all at once...
Or maybe complete 2zz C60 swap maybe easier? I appreciate you for what you do. Thank you, Blessed and be well...
@@tkflex2332 Yes basically, its a balancing act of inserting the transmission shafts in their holes, making sure the teeth avoid each other and slip into place and also manage to insert the reverse mechanism into place. Then tightening the reverse shifter mechanism bolt.
The grind could be synchro related if you ask me. If it only does it in those gears. I like OS Giken Clutches, they keep a good streetability but with great performance increases and reliability. Probably the complete 2zz swap is best...hehehe
Thanks for your kind words!
@@JesseSpec If the car Gods could give me the time, means and resources. Haha
Considering the 2nd gear synchro, my setup is Not bad for Stock OEM. I can hit lift in every gear going UP shifting! Redlines is 8200+ But she needs a tune still. I flashed my 05 CXrs and it made a huge difference in bottom end and top end with Injen CAI. However it didnt gain HP unless it has Stand alone ecu.
I am gonna run it for winter and reassess in the summer.
I appreciate ur support brother. Be well
@@tkflex2332 thanks man! No problem
So you don't have to adjust any pre-load?
Hi, you should set the preload. I decided not to. The new and old LSD are absolutely identical in terms of dimensions. The bearings are new and the shims are back where they were with the old lsd so by deduction the preload should be close if not identical to the stock previous setup. I’ve done this mod twice with thousands of miles driven without issues 👍🏼
what do you think about welding a diff on a c50 or c60 tranny ? welding with proper metal plates insert
Hi, if you want to drift... maybe. But even then I’m not a fan of welded diffs. I will never install a welded diff on any of my cars ;-)
@@JesseSpec noo just for fun :) my country very hot roads aswell very slippery dusty , i like to use mid-old tires for low amount of grip . ı just use speed to weight transfer in roundabouts to drift by only giving right amount of gas . so actually there is no "pushing-hard" in my driving. Would proper welding handle this amount of stress ?
@@enuma8161 i understand! it surely would. But if you can, trust me, I’d try to get my hands on an lsd. Even a Torsen 👍🏼
how do you find the osgiken performs? i have a trd plate diff and i find i am having to rebuild it it regularly
Hi! I love it! Its not jerky and doesn’t block super aggressively like other brands I’ve used. The OS giken is designed to be « install and forget » with maintenance free. I’ve done over 20000km with mine in 2 different transmissions. I’ve sold quite a few and even a friend of mine has run 11years in a drift JZX100 and when inspecting it, it had hardly worn... able to do again 11years of abuse. It was the OS factory them selves that inspected it
@@JesseSpec thanks for your reply, they are alot of money compared to other brands, are they worth being almost double the price you think?
@@Bradp72 every penny ;-) I wouldn’t go for anything else. PS le ones that cost the half must really be the cheapest ones on the market. The OS is around 1500usd
didnt u suppose to measure the bearing pre load ??? u just swap the lsd ?
Yes you are supposed to. Yes I just swapped it. I measured all the heights and shims to make sure everything is put back together identically. The previous lsd and previous bearings are of identical height (messured). I also checked by hand how the gearbox felt before and after and it was identical in therms of resistance to rotation.
This is not the ideal way, but it works fine for me. Have done it in 2 transmission and both never broke. 40k km on my 1zz gearbox
Hey Jesse with the C60 manual transmission in the car,how can i tell if i have a LSD?
Hi, try lifting up the rear of the car and try turning one wheel by hand. If the other wheel turns in the same direction you’ve got an lsd. If it turns opposite, its an open diff.
An atb diff as fitted to UK spec mr2 as standard won't do this - only a true clutch plate lsd turns the opposite wheel the same way - as in rally cars.
@@ottosgarage7986 my viscous lsd in my 200sx turned both wheels in the same direction... it wasn’t a clutch disc type, it was a viscous LSD 🤷🏼♂️ i don’t know for a fact if the toyota one did it too, but i’m pretty sure my torsen in my 5speed mr2 transmission turned in the same direction too...
Remove an axle and look inside the transaxle. An open differential has an opening, and only has a small rectangular plate between the 2 sides…light can pass from one side to the other. A LSD has a solid steel center section and will not allow light to pass through from one side to the other.
Hola yo tenia un motor 1zz y cambie al 2zz ahora estoy cambiando la caja de cambios de 5 velocidades por la c60 puedo cambiar el diferencial?
Hello, sorry I don’t speak Spanish 🤷🏽♂️😅
English? French? German? Japanese?
That allen bolt is stuck in my transmission. What do I do?
Hi, which one? At how many minutes?
@@JesseSpec thanks for the response, but I just got it out. It was the one with the spring and check ball behind it, it just had loctite on it. I have the old differental out now, any tips on pressing the new bearings on or swapping the ring gear?
@@jimchance5006 hello! All good! Keep watching the other episodes 😊👍🏼 I’ve done one on that too!
@@JesseSpec I can't seem to find your video on the bearings. Would you reply with the link?
@@jimchance5006 regarding the bearings, its not in the video but its easy: removing the bearing, you need an extractor tool (don’t worry if you damage it, you should change it) and reinstalling: freeze the lsd so it retracts as much as possible and then use a press by pushing on the center of the bearing.
Regarding pinion gear on the lsd, the removal should be in this same video... did you watch it to the end?
On est d'accord qu'elle va rester atmo?
Pourquoi?
@@JesseSpec C'était une question ouverte, j'aurais du la formuler différemment :)
Je suppose que des modifications moteur sont planifiés ?
@@nvl2691 pour le moment elle reste en athmo ;-) mais je ne suis pas un compresseur dans le future 😊👍🏼
@@JesseSpec Aaaaah nice :D
Plutôt centrifuge (Rotrex / HKS) ou volumétrique (roots type?) ?
@@nvl2691 je suis plus chaud pour un rotrex
I watch this video a while ago and today I'm installing lsd..... ae92guy
Awesome! Thanks for watching and good luck on your build!