Baldur's Gate 3 - Early Access Wyll

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  • @thecheck968
    @thecheck968 หลายเดือนก่อน +733

    5:47 This is the struggle Wyll in the final game is missing. Growing devil horns, being disowned by the duke, and being self-sacrificial all become more meaningful and tragic when you realize Wyll lives and dies by his reputation.
    His background of a folk hero suddenly becomes a crutch he relies on in place of actual confidence. His mistrust of Astarion becomes a symptom of how he views the world in terms of heroes and villains.
    We all know the Wyll we got is lackluster. He is an inherently good character, but this version of Wyll sees him grapple with what being good means. That struggle and that growth is what makes the other companions so impactful.

    • @BlueDragonKnight77
      @BlueDragonKnight77 หลายเดือนก่อน +126

      To be fair, full release Wyll is not just missing said struggle.
      They took away this dilemma, the fact that he, by all means, is kind of a fraud, his fun personality of making up dumb proverbs, his anger complex, the potential story arc of having him become a true hero (or fall from grace) and gave him horns instead.
      And in the process, turned Mizora from an inexperienced, somewhat incompetent Devil who only got to where she is because of her father, into just another scheming devil that always keeps up their pokerface. Like we don't already have Raphael for that.
      I love the game, I really do, but that they went back on their ideas for Wyll because the community found him to be boring, only to make him and related characters far more boring is something I'll never get over. Went from my number 2 favorite companion to "You get a permanent seat in camp"

    • @Kennisaurus
      @Kennisaurus หลายเดือนก่อน +69

      ​@@BlueDragonKnight77Mizora was a nep baby too? Dang they should've kept that in as it would make more sense why her scheme to get Wyll to make a pact was so half baked and only fooled a teenager.

    • @BlueDragonKnight77
      @BlueDragonKnight77 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      @@Kennisaurus I really liked how she got kidnapped right out of her pod, since she was on the Nautiloid together with Wyll, and continuously called Wyll through his sending stone and telling him to hurry the f*ck up and save her already only to get kidnapped by Gobins and brought to Moonrise where, lo and behold, we still find her in full release.

    • @TF2CrunchyFrog
      @TF2CrunchyFrog หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      @@BlueDragonKnight77 Then blame those parts of the player community for the rewrite, who I assume didn't want a black character to be a fraudster who as a thieving teen made a deal with a devil to get quick powers and potentially slept with Mizora. They wanted a heroic _hero,_ in a party filled with a Bhaalspawn (as the canonical player character), a Shar cleric, a vampire spawn rogue, an explosive wizard who lusts for forbidden power, a xenophobic space alien with a huge sword, and either a drow paladin of Lolth or a furry druid who hates goblins and drow. (As Karlach was given full Companion status only late in EA.)

    • @Kennisaurus
      @Kennisaurus หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      @@TF2CrunchyFrog Afaik Larian was going to add two more good companions but scrapped them in favor for what we got, with Wyll and Gale falling more toward neutral. There were a lot of complaints on why all the companions were evil. I think they should've had implemented the good companions earlierer as well but instead they removed Wyll's teeth and imo some of Gale as well to make them both fit the good mold better

  • @16Vagabond
    @16Vagabond หลายเดือนก่อน +574

    "There's an old saying I just made up..." Hahaha I love this Wyll.
    He was so much more interesting back then. He still had a good heart, but he struggled a lot more between balancing his devilish nature and becoming a hero. It made more sense, because he was so young when he made the devil pact.

    • @Someguyonline7732
      @Someguyonline7732 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      I have to say I think a mix would be better. I prefer the other Wylls voice but this Wylls line delivery

    • @yoursonisold8743
      @yoursonisold8743 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Except that line is in the final game...

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I quite like his layers, he had gruffness but softness too

    • @erxs
      @erxs 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      "it's like i always sometimes say: you can't summon dead ogres, no matter how hard you blow" ?? this wyll is still in the game.

  • @sterlander814
    @sterlander814 หลายเดือนก่อน +1023

    I like this Wyll so much more. He's got that slightly chaotic charismatic vibe to him that I'd expect a warlock to have. I feel like they went way too safe with the current Wyll, he rarely has any sass, which feels much needed.

    • @Xxsorafan
      @Xxsorafan หลายเดือนก่อน +84

      Blame the sensitive people who got mad that none of the companions were goody two shoes.

    • @angelicastern2385
      @angelicastern2385 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      True. Something’s off with such a mild-mannered monster slayer that final Wyll became.
      I want EA Wyll 😢

    • @miaomiiao
      @miaomiiao หลายเดือนก่อน

      They tried to hard to make him a goody good character, guess it makes sense, since most of their kind are incapable of being lawful good irl. It's fantasy after all

    • @LucasRibeiro-po4pb
      @LucasRibeiro-po4pb หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      @@Xxsorafan Tbf, when everyone is a sassy arrogant asshole it becomes stale quick

    • @TheLastCin
      @TheLastCin หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @@LucasRibeiro-po4pb replies like this are why the companions are mid now

  • @sophie6425
    @sophie6425 หลายเดือนก่อน +524

    I think I prefer this Wyll - he has so many more layers to his character here. In the game now, he seems- flat. All he is is the Blade of Frontier, a hero. Here, he seems like a true person, and not just a legend

    • @TF2CrunchyFrog
      @TF2CrunchyFrog หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      The thing is, in this early EA version (the late EA phase I played already had him rewritten) we as player and as character learn about Mizora and Wyll being a warlock right away the first time we talk to him. It's like tipping your narrative hand too early, and I can see why some players would go, "Nah, aren't warlocks evil? I'll leave him in the Grove."
      Imagine if Gale had blabbed everything about the Netherese orb and his munchies for magic items right away right after we pull him from the portal?
      It's similar to the very early brainstorming ideas Larian had for meeting Astarion at the beach, where (as a Larian writer revealed during a convention panel) Astarion would still have been stuck in a Nautiloid pod, refusing to come out because of his fear of the sun, and the player would have had to persuade him to even exit the pod... which would have been a blatant clue that Astarion is a vampire, resulting in many players either staking him outright or alternatively (if they thought he was a useless cowardly whiny elf noble instead of a useful rogue) just leaving him in the pod and walking away unless they were playing the most kind-hearted goody-two-shoes or metagaming "Hey I know this pale elf guy is an Origin Companion, and he has a tadpole too, I guess we should take him with us."
      And we basically would have had a group full of morally iffy Companions in EA:
      Shar worshipper Shadowheart (Shar worship _should_ be a huge deal for every Faerunian character who isn't evil!!).
      Vampire spawn Astarion who is being hunted by a vampire lord and is also a stab-happy rogue.
      Explosive cursed wizard Gale who pissed off a Greater Deity.
      Githyanki warrior Lae'zel whose culture is xenophobic, ruthless, and evil by AD&D alignment standards.
      Wyll, a warlock linked to an infernal cambion, who is pretending to be a folk hero.
      And Karlach, a burning tiefling with... no wait, Karlach wasn't even planned as a companion in EA.
      And potentially Minthara the evil drow paladin of Lolth (who isn't even an Origin companion) if you went the evil route in EA Act 1.
      The only one _not_ iffy would've been Halsin, as the flipside of Minthara, but even he is neutral in alignment.

    • @TF2CrunchyFrog
      @TF2CrunchyFrog หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      That said, some of those Wyll dialogues could easily have been left in the rewritten version, like the idea of killing the goblin camp leaders coming from Wyll.

    • @sophie6425
      @sophie6425 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @TF2CrunchyFrog thanks for the extensive reply! I loved reading through it.
      I do agree that, narratively, the bond with Mizora was revealed a little too early in this case. And I actually enjoy that Wyll's alignment is truly good in the game we have now, because we already have a lot of characters falling on the chaotic scale, like Astarion (as longs as he's unascended). But, as you said, a lot of the dialogue could've been rewritten to fit Wyll's new storyline without taking away from him being a good aligned character. Like that in youth, he had "sticky fingers" as he said in the video, but learned his lesson. Or his tendency for revenge on the goblins, as in the current game state, he hates and disregards them anyway, so it wouldn't have changed much of his character.

    • @rice_frying_shrimp
      @rice_frying_shrimp หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      He's not just a hero, he's also the literal heir to ruling the coast, so however his story plays out, he always gets a "good" ending other than if you don't save Mizora and she turns him to goo which since it doesn't happen near the end of the game but rather the end of act two, I wouldn't consider a true ending but rather a "game over" style ending. So he either becomes the grand duke or he becomes the hero of the hells AND the sword coast.
      It's almost as if they were too scared to take a risk on his character and wanted to secure one companion who always makes the righteous choice, even when you choose to kill Karlach it's mostly because it was a mission given to him and he chose to trust the person who holds his life in the palm of his hands. When not killing her, Wyll was entirely prepared for Mizora to kill him for his transgressions. That's part of why he and Karlach become so close if you let her live.
      As it stands all of the nuance to his choices feels so transparently like he's in the passenger seat. The only times you actually let him make his own decisions as a player character are whether to renew his pact with Mizora to save his father (I think, but maybe not even that) and for sure when he chooses whether he wants the grand duke ending or the blade of avernus ending. Sure you can also not do his companion quest and honestly fair enough, I could see why people don't find it particularly enticing. Compare that to the insanely complex coding behind Gale and Shadowheart's companion quests where almost ever decision you make could eventually lead to them making certain decisions like killing the Nightsong, killing Shadowheart's parents, blowing up Gale (although that too is technically a game over ending if you do it too soon) and the choice of going for the Professor Gale ending vs the God Gale ending.
      Ultimately most characters get exactly *one* choice you can have them make which is between their main two canon endings but a few of them get more decisions along the way and even the one that I'm pretty sure doesn't get any, Asterion, is a fan favorite storyline despite the fact that he technically has no agency because at least the emotional impact is there either way and it makes sense for all of these brainwashed cult members we're slowly having to deprogram to be hesitant about betraying their abusive cult leaders but Wyll never had that, frankly even Mizora feels like a pretty palatable person to have holding the strings of your fate in her hand. The blade of avernus ending outright states that she has him on a *very* long leash and he just happily continues working for her.

    • @p.antonio3600
      @p.antonio3600 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@TF2CrunchyFrogKarlach definitly was planned companion, Halsin is the one added leather in development

  • @czulybarbarzynca_
    @czulybarbarzynca_ หลายเดือนก่อน +300

    I like how you used guidance for a DC 0 roll.

    • @seb_fancysheep
      @seb_fancysheep หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      you never know

    • @BunnyTheOverlord
      @BunnyTheOverlord 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      You could see them fighting the Dark Urge to apply it too but ultimately they lost.

  • @Dogtles
    @Dogtles หลายเดือนก่อน +203

    The thing i liked about EA Wyll is that you could never know how much of what he told you was real or just exaggerated by his inflated ego, if not just a complete lie. He was ultimately good, but arrogant and with a dark side and the potential to be corrupted. It felt like there was always something he was hiding about his true nature, and sometimes it came to the surface ever so slightly. So much more interesting. I ended up thinking new Wyll was just okay, but i mourn the Wyll that we might have had.

    • @thefoxoflaurels3437
      @thefoxoflaurels3437 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      EA literally had huge threads of people saying things like "If Wyll is such a hero maybe he shouldn't be lying, self-absorbed, and going on vengeance sprees" like what they're saying wasn't the biggest "Woosh" ever.

    • @Dogtles
      @Dogtles หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@thefoxoflaurels3437 yeah that was literally the point. I guess no matter which side of the coin you get some people always want the other

  • @ayetoast
    @ayetoast หลายเดือนก่อน +324

    I love release Wyll so much but after watching this I feel like i'm just gonna grieve the person he could've been. Just these 30 minutes in act1 feels like so much more content than what Wyll now has in the whole game. I really wish that Larian would combine this Wyll and the Wyll we got instead of scrapping all of this for the Wyll we got. He really could've been one of the most interesting companions.

    • @sephikong8323
      @sephikong8323 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      This is exactly what I wish we got as I think the two versions work better when combined.
      I think his struggle with being seen in a good light and controlling the narrative would have been a lot more impactful as the son of the Grand Duke of Baldur's Gate that has been exiled because he saved the city but took a pact with a devil to do it and was forbidden from ever telling his father about him saving the city, so now he is super selff conscious about how he's perceived as he wants his father's approval back.
      I really like Wyll regardless, I'm just sad that he essentially got the short end of the stick on many regards

  • @thebingus7243
    @thebingus7243 หลายเดือนก่อน +327

    I prefer Theo Soloman as a VA but darn do I like this version of Wyll! I think the more vengeful/egotistical aspects of him work especially well. i think there could have been a good balance. the princely appearance and romance but still kept a more egotistical side to him with a strong sense of pride.

    • @Luxayt_
      @Luxayt_ หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      I'll be honest I was very attached to Lanre's voice and him playing Wyll, it just ain't the same. Right when they changed it, just left him without character really, completely changed his personality to, people got attached to the old Wyll. It was hard for me to adjust, but now I'm use to Theo's voice, he did a very good job I will say, still, it took me a bit to turn around to him.

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Theo has a great voice, but this character would be great with him

    • @LuunnaGaia
      @LuunnaGaia 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@Luxayt_ i dont think theo soloman is to blame for that
      good va work can only do so much for a character, the writing is still core and that's larian's responsibility

  • @MinnowTF
    @MinnowTF หลายเดือนก่อน +164

    “There’s an old saying I just made up: to kill a dragon, you must chop off its head.”
    I would have fallen head over heels for this guy

    • @h4ru5p3x
      @h4ru5p3x หลายเดือนก่อน

      fr i would have romanced him so hard

    • @charlieputman6836
      @charlieputman6836 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I was just thinking about that!! What a shame. He would've 100% been my favorite

    • @yoursonisold8743
      @yoursonisold8743 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Why? That's just as cheesy as anything else he says now.

    • @classicmax794
      @classicmax794 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      it reminds me of mitch hedberg. only i think it would be better in a different order: "to kill a dragon, you must chop off its head. that's an old saying i just made up." the "chop off its head" bit is a little cheesy so i'd rather the emphasis be on the old/just-made-up paradox

    • @MinnowTF
      @MinnowTF 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@yoursonisold8743 It's not cheesy at all, it's just dumb and silly

  • @empressofdestiny
    @empressofdestiny หลายเดือนก่อน +476

    I find this version of Wyll more interesting, maybe if they went with his old storyline I wouldn’t have left him at camp so much. I really like how this version of Wyll asks to kill the goblin leaders in the temple to protect the kids in the grove. ❤ Thank you for sharing this, finding any Early Access content for BG3 is much harder than I would like it to be, they cut some amazing story content I can only hope they patch some of it back in, but seeing alternative content like this makes my day even if I don’t get to enjoy it in-game.

    • @maradesu
      @maradesu หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Agreed 100000%!!!! Wyll deserves this level of depth

    • @noctrk161
      @noctrk161 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      It seems like if the original scriptwriter was replaced by significantly less talented one.

    • @dorianleakey
      @dorianleakey หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      He is easier to relate to as a hero, rather than being angry and full of vengeful spite. Its interesting, but with all the other companions flaws, him being a spiteful sod would be a bit too much.

    • @empressofdestiny
      @empressofdestiny หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@dorianleakey which version of Wyll do you prefer? Sorry, but the way you phrased your comment I can't tell if you mean his early access or full-release version.

    • @GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket
      @GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket หลายเดือนก่อน

      I didn't realize he stopped but you're right.

  • @ashlynnrose4871
    @ashlynnrose4871 หลายเดือนก่อน +249

    The romance scene with wyll was so meaningful. It shows he has past trauma of being used in relationships where the power dynamic was literally binding hin with his abuser. The notes that hint him and mizora had a thing make even more sense when you think about how she must control him and keep him thinking he is happy with this pact.
    Truly I think this old storyline of his is amazing and that’s saying something as I have not had one urge to get to wyll in his new version

    • @ReplicatorFifth
      @ReplicatorFifth หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      I think they didn’t know where to go with it so they scrapped it. I also think it was too close to Astarion’s backstory or trauma. As the Es patches progressed Wyll was starting to be more manipulative specifically of a barbarian Tav. Again too close to Astarion and Gale

    • @vivianatorres5575
      @vivianatorres5575 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      When I was meeting Mizora and I told her not to lay a finger on him. She said the ship has already sailed... I like paled..and started thinking that did she have sex with him. Poor Wyll

    • @greyngreyer5
      @greyngreyer5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      trauma trauma trauma trauma trauma
      shut up. I swear that's all your vocabulary boils down to

    • @tiph3802
      @tiph3802 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      ​@@greyngreyer5who hurt you?!

    • @6ubble-gum
      @6ubble-gum หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Supposedly they "didn't like how his story was being told" which. I mean is full release wyll 'better'? Hard disagree

  • @tiph3802
    @tiph3802 หลายเดือนก่อน +114

    I heard EA Wyll was superior in every way. We were robbed! He's funny! And interesting! And complex! Curse the fans who killed this version of Wyll.

    • @sliccthedestroyer1881
      @sliccthedestroyer1881 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      One of the many examples of not listening to the fans.

    • @reginafun4769
      @reginafun4769 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I think there were some valid criticisms of Wyll in early access because this version of him overlaps with the other companions. However, with the change in VA and personality, the release version of Wyll is massively underdeveloped.

  • @ReplicatorFifth
    @ReplicatorFifth หลายเดือนก่อน +229

    I like the new voice actor but I do miss this one. He sounded smoother.
    Thank you for preserving EA Wyll since he changed the most in release

    • @nonducorduco7356
      @nonducorduco7356 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      It's interesting because old Wyll seems to have Theo's natural accent where new Wyll is using a different accent in Theo's skillset

    • @Mithcoriel
      @Mithcoriel หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Is it a different voice actor?

    • @paracetamolgirl7820
      @paracetamolgirl7820 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      ​@@MithcorielYeah. OG Wyll is Lanre Malaolu.

    • @MandieCat
      @MandieCat หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I read the old actor had other projects and that's why they replaced him but if I was him I'd drop everything for BG3 😂

    • @pmarreck
      @pmarreck หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@MandieCat yeah I bet he is kicking himself now, but I agree that he made a better Wyll (sorry new Wyll!)

  • @user-xg1uh4qz8h
    @user-xg1uh4qz8h หลายเดือนก่อน +187

    I feel like he has more personality in early access. He sounds more natural. I like the new voice actor too but his lines just sound like a caricature of Prince Charming or something.

    • @miaomiiao
      @miaomiiao หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They sound the same, they all do

    • @TheLastCin
      @TheLastCin หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@miaomiiao what do you mean by that

    • @miaomiiao
      @miaomiiao หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheLastCin all negros sound the same

  • @MilkJugA_
    @MilkJugA_ หลายเดือนก่อน +112

    my british friend said early access wyll was more "from the ends" and yeah he's right

    • @rice_frying_shrimp
      @rice_frying_shrimp หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      not that his new VA bothered me or anything but this mismatch between how they clearly wanted to originally characterize him and how he talks now has been one of the more frustrating aspects for me. he went from just a bloke who happens to be in this situation to something else entirely. something that I'd argue is a bit uncoherent at times.

    • @yoursonisold8743
      @yoursonisold8743 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      New Wyll isn't supposed to be, so that hardly matters.

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Haha that makes sense

  • @GoneRampant
    @GoneRampant หลายเดือนก่อน +101

    I like the Wyll we got in the game but man, I can't help but think Larian should have stuck to their guns and smoothed out the problems with his original pitch rather than pivoting in the final year of release to appease vocal fans and make him a more clean-cut hero.
    It might at least have helped the problems with Wyll feeling chronically under-developed.

  • @Grufflebum
    @Grufflebum หลายเดือนก่อน +115

    That explains why Wyll has feather fall on him at the start of the grove fight

    • @Iaresnoutube
      @Iaresnoutube หลายเดือนก่อน

      lol

    • @Cruddyhorse
      @Cruddyhorse หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      I remember one time as he was taunting the goblins he jumped and fell prone, cutting off his dialogue. Honestly wish they kept it as a possibility.

    • @ngtm4427
      @ngtm4427 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      ​@@Cruddyhorsethat sounds funny asf

  • @leidenschaftfaul
    @leidenschaftfaul หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    What i like about this wyll more: He is SO CONNECTED to this world. There are people who know the stories he told, the stories he lived through and the person behind the stories. I respec the Release Wyll to a barr almosr anytime, but this one is fitting with Warlock. I think Theo with this srory? Wyll would've probably dethroned Astarion as the most simped for male companion.

    • @abilawaandamari8366
      @abilawaandamari8366 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Completely agree, I don't know why they decide to change his personality completely

  • @kinneydanm
    @kinneydanm หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    I love this Wyll so much!! hes so much more charismatic and interesting, how is it that he's more fleshed out in early access than in the final release?????

    • @Chaser547
      @Chaser547 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      His story was changed in the last years as some more vocal folks complained about him (much like vocal folks got Halsin turned into a party member instead of him staying a one and done npc.)

    • @Dagothdaleet
      @Dagothdaleet 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Chaser547 those vocal folks were oh so wrong

  • @SaSa-km4sv
    @SaSa-km4sv หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    2:00 I didn't know Shadowheart and Astarion were so into each other in Early Access lol

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hands off vampire boy! She's mine

  • @ihcatih10
    @ihcatih10 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

    I do not dislike the full realease version of Wyll, but having played early access I can't help but to wonder what could have been if they hadn't rewritten him. Especially since I feel like new Wyll is the least cooked companion we have with loose ends connecting him to his previous story in mind. The sending stone for an eye? It had purpose here, he was using it to contact Mizora. In the full realese we can ask Wyll about it, there even is the check for arcane Tavs to realise what it is. But thats the end of this story. I did a full origin Wyll playthrough in hope to get some special scenes with Mizora, thinking maybe thats when the sending stone comes to play. But no. Aside from ONE extra scene with Mizora during the first long rest, I felt I was playing a regular Tav who happend to be the son of the kidnapped duke. Rumor has it, Larian changed Wyll due to his unpopularity in early access, but I really don't understand why he had gotten the short end of the stick. EVERY companion was ruder, colder and bigger asshole in early access, they really toned them down. The only good thing that came out of this change is that we got Karlach as a fully fledged companion. But then again, Karlach has waaaay more unique interactions as an origin character playthrough then Wyll as a companion.

    • @saal0
      @saal0 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

      Black characters often get judged MUCH harsher for morally ambiguous decisions. I recon he got changed because of that. And in turn it prevented him from becoming a real fleshed out companion

    • @uhohmykokoro1616
      @uhohmykokoro1616 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@saal0yep, it’s a damned if they do, damned if they don’t situation 💀

    • @jabaovalle7337
      @jabaovalle7337 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@saal0 They were still making content additions over the time in updates so they could've added more yet chose to add... kissing animations.
      I've seen videos where even basic dialogue reactivity that all the other origin characters have is missing for Wyll. They just dropped everything and it especially shows in his new ending.

    • @paracetamolgirl7820
      @paracetamolgirl7820 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      ​@@saal0You should have seen the way people shat on him during the EA years. Every day people writing theses about how he's the most evil/detestable companion when meanwhile, you could slaughter an entire group of refugees and he was the only one to care. It was ridiculous.

    • @paracetamolgirl7820
      @paracetamolgirl7820 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Karlach was always going to be a full companion, for the record. Her OG voice and voicelines had all the origin and companion dialogues recorded already. It's just that she and Wyll weren't tied to each other at all.

  • @Cyborg_J
    @Cyborg_J หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    Wyll actually feels like a real person here. Kinda sad we didn't get this version, but I do enjoy Theo's portrayal regardless.

  • @Paparoulis
    @Paparoulis หลายเดือนก่อน +84

    Damn, I much more prefer this Wyll over final version Wyll! I found him a bit lame so he never left my camp. Kinda wish we had this one instead

    • @myownbasement
      @myownbasement หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Yeah.. the only reason I dislike him was because of his over exaggerated goody two shoes... He needed to be chaotic for being a blade of frontiers.

  • @ten5h1
    @ten5h1 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    Meanwhile, in the background, Shadowheart and Astarion are merging.

  • @MandieCat
    @MandieCat หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    We were robbed of "there's an old saying I just made up"

  • @wyattfraga2213
    @wyattfraga2213 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    I like seeing so many people saying they like this Wyll, but geez it felt like the entire internet hated EA Wyll and they were happy he was getting recast and redone.

    • @jons5478
      @jons5478 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      There was a big shift in fan bases during the development of this game

    • @valkyrie-randgris
      @valkyrie-randgris หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      @@jons5478 Usually I've got nothing for respect for the long term fans, heck knows I've been an og fan in fandoms that have blown up and gone in a totally different direction and how frustrating that can be, but if they cost us this Wyll? I high key have to question their taste. >3>

    • @thefoxoflaurels3437
      @thefoxoflaurels3437 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      Yeah people said Wyll was an asshole which I find weird in a game with a lot worse people. People painted his character flaws as "he says was thing but does another" like that wasn't the fucking point. I do think Larian should have stuck to their guns.
      I think they overcorrected big time though I think Theo is a better actor.

    • @MESSIXIX_VI
      @MESSIXIX_VI หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Current wyll felt like a dork to me and not the lovable kind , this wyll feels like a reclouse hero , still dorky but less preachy

    • @elnar71
      @elnar71 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Tbf people bitched about every companion being "evil" in EA. As a result, Shadowheart got tuned down a lot on release, but lucky for her, her story is largely intact. Gale is less "sus" than in EA but his story isn't changed. Lae'zel and Astarion didn't get changed and while there are a lot of edge lords complained and killed them because they are "rude", both got great story arcs for their "good" and "bad" endings. Wyll unfortunately got completely scrapped, so he is the most unfinished origin companion along with Karlach but at least Karlach gets a few memorable scenes in act3 where Wyll got sidelines in pretty much everything.

  • @greyngreyer5
    @greyngreyer5 หลายเดือนก่อน +107

    Funny how in every single word there is something I can point to and say "I like this better than what we got". Early Access was a blessing and a curse. Jeez

    • @miaomiiao
      @miaomiiao หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Early access was a masterpiece in the making, the full version was a rushed dissapointment, with a lot of cut content and a slight tint of certain virus. Still, probably one of my favorite games ever. Shame that I could have been a masterpiece if they didn't change so much.

    • @greyngreyer5
      @greyngreyer5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@miaomiiao idk how it got game of the year tbh. Hell, I think early access idea was closer to a game worthy of the name of Baldur's Gate lol. INstead we got "you like sex? Here is the sex. Take all the sex". And somehow that was the best rpg ever. Fucking hell

    • @icepac2010
      @icepac2010 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      @@greyngreyer5 okay, I think this is a gross exaggeration. I didn't play the early access version, and I feel kinda left out, but the finished product was indeed a great RPG. I'm not saying the best game ever, or the best RPG ever, but a great RPG nonetheless, and I'd even say that it was the best RPG in 2023 from the list of nominees. It could have been better, and I'm kinda torn on the end product myself, but it's still an excellent game

    • @greyngreyer5
      @greyngreyer5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Not as good as it could have been != not good

    • @miaomiiao
      @miaomiiao หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@greyngreyer5 it's was good. It could have been spectacular. Greedy developers

  • @Ellisepha
    @Ellisepha หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Man I miss EA Wyll so much. His hatred and feud with the goblins just made him so much more involved with early Act 1. Plus, him being a monster hunter that still believes in the good of everyone, except for one specific race that hurt him personally, makes him SUCH a fascinating hypocrite and i would have loved to further explore this. You could either have him overcome his hatred, or use this to further corrupt him.
    Also, with Myzora just showing up in camp, wasn't his sending stone eye kinda useless in the final game?

    • @yoursonisold8743
      @yoursonisold8743 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There barely are any goblins post Act 1, so what would be the point of that feud? It's nice for Act 1 and then it's just nothing.

    • @Ellisepha
      @Ellisepha 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@yoursonisold8743There are still a lot of goblins in Act 2. Imagine if you torture the goblins in Moonrise and Wyll (of all people!) approves to that. Imagine if you approve of his stance on that too much and he also does it to other "evil" creatures, like he does with Karlach at the beginning of the game.
      Ever heard of the trope of the too Lawful Paladin? A character so obsessed with what they believe is good that they cannot see the evil they actually cause, because they can always find a way to justify it? EA Wyll could have went down that path. "The rosd to hell is paved with good intentions" and so on.
      But also, on a good run, the scene where you can kill the goblins in Moonrise could have been a turning point for EA Wyll. Like he confronts you about almost blowing your cover for some lowly gobbos, and you can confront him about his prevoncieved notions about it. Or hey, that was all in EA, imagine if the time spent rewriting Wyll was instead used to improve upon his existing character and adding more stuff his worldview clashes with.

    • @yoursonisold8743
      @yoursonisold8743 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Ellisepha That is a tiny moment in all of Act 2. And there are no goblins in Act 3 at all. My point wasnt that you cant do something with Wyll being overly aggeessive against all evil-doers, it was that tying him so intrinsically to the goblins specifically is pointless and reeks of "we only thought as far as Act 1" writing. Which is one of the reasons they changed him.

    • @amupng
      @amupng 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@yoursonisold8743 doesn't good character writing come from a collection of those tiny moments? I think it would have fleshed out the character greatly + we're talking about an early access personality that got completely rewritten, if they had kept it, there would have been more examples down the line lol

  • @Dagothdaleet
    @Dagothdaleet 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    This Wyll was so much better of a character. Very sad to see the change they made

  • @randomclod385
    @randomclod385 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    But then again ppl hated laezel too but they didn't really change her character so it makes me wonder if they just didn't like wyll

  • @yabbadabbindude
    @yabbadabbindude หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    I love release Wyll and the performance that Theo gave, that being said I like a lot of what I'm seeing here. This ties wylls story with mizora and the goblins right from the start. Yeah he has more flaws but if early access players had gotten to see Wylls character development and conclusion maybe theyd have liked him more. We definitely missed out on a deeper Wyll who could still have developed into the righteous character I love

  • @jvcbonno6292
    @jvcbonno6292 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Remember what they took from us

  • @hootle4641
    @hootle4641 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I can't keep from staring at Astarion and shadowheart merging in the background casually.

  • @JonathanLundkvist
    @JonathanLundkvist หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    Got to say I find this Wyll much more entertaining especially as at least one of my Tavs - the Bard obviously - was essentially a scam that turned out to be pretty decent at the Hero stuff but was terrified that his party would find out.

  • @KeysCrystal
    @KeysCrystal 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Wow I really *really* like this Wyll waay more than the final version we got. He's much more.

  • @karumina
    @karumina 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    How could people not like him? He's so into his own legend.

  • @danielballinger9680
    @danielballinger9680 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    OG Wyll was a hell of a lot more interesting not only considering his connection with Mizora but also him possibly having to dance the line of hero and villan to save her

  • @richiemclusie3343
    @richiemclusie3343 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I love this sassy Wyll who struggles with the darker aspects of his personality. It makes so much more sense than the bland template of a character we got in the final version.

  • @amycharri
    @amycharri หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Larian should have stuck to their guns and kept this version of Wyll. Although, I think some things about full release Wyll are better. Such as his pact with Mizora coming from him saving the world and them not having an intimate(ish) relationship. Don't get me wrong, I love good characters. But if not done well, then they can be one dimensional, which full release Wyll is. And worse is that he is one-dimensial in a game full of complex characters. You can still have someone be good and complex at the same time (see Gale).

  • @papkinn
    @papkinn หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Early Access Wyll makes me so sad because it's very clear Larian have a bias against him. No other character would get completely scratched and rewritten right before release just to never get properly finished despite constant updates for the entire year after release. Fact he got almost 5 hours less content than other characters and hardest romance to trigger due to no scene in act 1 is hard to excuse considering how much content others got post-release and the way Theo is treated by both devs and fandom.
    Atp it feels like Larian regrets putting him into the game and that's depressing.

  • @eonjustingeneral7073
    @eonjustingeneral7073 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Whenever I played the current version I always thought Wyll was the flattest character I’ve ever met and now it makes so much sense.
    They gave him so much depth and character but they decided to cut this entire aspect of him and leave in early access and now it makes so much sense. He’s one of my favourite go to characters for whenever I’m adventuring, it hurts to see how much we lost.

  • @aistisnarmontas4515
    @aistisnarmontas4515 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    When I played with Wyll during Early Access. I traveled with him quite often. And it felt he was well written as a character. After full launch he became shadow of former self. A shell of a previous character with pretty much no story. Wyll deserves justice!...
    Now I never recruit him and my pwrty mostly always consists of : Shadowheart, Lae'Zel, Astarion/Minthara. Sometimes in act 3 I do recruit Minsc As a Barbarian and Jaeheira as a healer. But now when I thought of it It would be quite interesting to have Legit Hero's party : Origins Wyll, Jaeheira, Minsc and Halsin.

  • @Bandajify
    @Bandajify หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Some of these have been brought back. Calling Kagha a demon, the folk tale about the farmer and his daughter

  • @justinburchette
    @justinburchette หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    I don't understand why they changed Wyll so much...? He was a far more interesting character in EA. We got more character development with him in this 30-minute video than we ever did over the course of the entire game. Obviously that's only my opinion, but... idk... it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me - especially considering the emotional depths that some of the other characters showcase (even a few NPCs are better written than final release Wyll!)
    I like his VA here as well, though I must say I love Theo and I can't see Wyll being voiced by anyone else but him now lol.
    So, why was Wyll _specifically_ singled out for this massive change? Can anybody tell me...? Because I would really love to know.
    Also, thank you so much to OP for preserving this! 😊

    • @guacamojo
      @guacamojo หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      gamer bros bombarded them with complaints saying he was too contradictory and morally corrupt to be a likeable companion. meanwhile astarion is 2x worse and he didn't get the same kinda flack. hmmmmmmmmm i wonder what the double standard here could be

    • @justinburchette
      @justinburchette หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      @@guacamojo Yeah, it definitely seems sus af, especially when you consider that literally everyone in this damn game is contradictory and morally corrupt (to _wildly_ varying degrees lol). There are no real heroes here. Nobody is completely honest, nobody is perfect... *nobody.* And that is exactly how it should be; it's one of the many things I love about this game.
      ...But it's also the entire reason why Wyll sticks out so much: Because all in all, he's just so... _unrealistic._ Even in epic fantasy RPG terms.
      I hope someday we can move past this nonsense and just write amazing stories without worrying about what other people think or consider. It just ruins creativity. It ruins what should be beautiful works of art. That's really all it ever does.

    • @rickkcir2151
      @rickkcir2151 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      @@justinburchette
      I disagree, Karlach is morally good at an annoying level. Her character is basically “I’m the goodest good that has ever gooded. I don’t like anything bad happening to good people, because that’s not good”
      There’s no ambiguity or grey. From the moment we meet her we are immediately shown she is not a bad person and literally everyone likes it when we don’t attack her. Then she never changes one iota during the game.

    • @justinburchette
      @justinburchette หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@rickkcir2151 Yeah, you're absolutely right. I don't know how I managed to forget about Karlach lol 🤦🏻‍♂️
      Well, aside from her at least, everyone else (besides Wyll) is pretty morally grey. I guess in that case Wyll sticks out to me for two reasons:
      *1.* He once _was_ a more complex character, but was then rewritten to be a goody-good.
      *2.* Karlach was a late addition to the roster (afaik), but she was _always_ a goody-good.
      Thinking about it like that now, I wonder if there's some type of development-level connection between those two. Obviously there is from a story perspective... but now I'm wondering if at one point they decided they wanted a purely good party member, and so they wrote Karlach to fill that roll - but then somewhere along the line they dropped Wyll's more complex nature and subsequently made him a "Karlach, Jr." (for whatever reason), and then decided to intertwine their stories...? Idk, man, maybe I'm totally off here lol 🤷🏻‍♂️
      _(Edited because I can't spell things.)_

    • @rb98769
      @rb98769 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      ​@@guacamojoIt wasn't a complaint about Wyll, it was a complaint about literally every companion in the early access. Larian spent the entire EA period basically toning down the edginess in companions and making them more "good" so that there would be more variety. They singled out Wyll for a full rewrite because he was the least popular companion in early access according to their data. They also added Karlach to the game in response to these complaints.

  • @Mary97574
    @Mary97574 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    oh this was AMAZING to see, i've never seen these cutscenes before and this wyll is so different :0

  • @juvyjuvy3012
    @juvyjuvy3012 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    shart and astarion fusing in the background really adds to this

  • @jayk9068
    @jayk9068 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Thanks for sharing! Commenting late since I was hoping his character would be expanded on in the last seven patches, but nothing beyond wrap up stuff... This Jon Snow / realistic thrust into action version of him is so much better than the pc version. They just made him more like Gale in retrospect. Even the goblin interaction is a 180 since it adds to his backstory and could've taught you the value of toggling on non lethal (something i learned late). RIP multi dimensional character/story Wyll 😢

  • @fourthree6579
    @fourthree6579 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    wyll's "it's like i always sometimes say" here reminds me of early access wyll's "there's an old saying i just made up." i wish they had kept that version of him 😭

  • @knightofvictory
    @knightofvictory หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    "May we be free from the devils that might bind us.... and the devils that already do."
    That line goes so hard. i would have loved to see more of this from Wyll in game

  • @HastursQueen
    @HastursQueen หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Wow, I have never seen this early access wyll, he is damn cool! I like the thing with finding mizora and that he is more eager to kill the bad guys. He is a more complex character this way.

  • @tinyrogue1320
    @tinyrogue1320 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Would that we could have had THIS Wyll instead. Sadge. Truly, he would have been an amazing choice for a canon main character. Pulled into so many directions - the mistrust of the Flaming Fist, his hate for the goblins and his cruel streak, his desire for Mizora, the tender feelings he has for Tav - his story could have been so much more interesting. I might have to write fanfic about him lol

  • @GONARUTOSONIC
    @GONARUTOSONIC หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    with old wyll it kinda seemed like he had sold his soul to be the hero he wanted to be. it made him more complex.

  • @patriciagodula9848
    @patriciagodula9848 หลายเดือนก่อน +83

    The new Wyll is a goody two shoes and because of that he is not believable. This Wyll gets angry, has dark desires and
    had more character and ego - something the legendary Blade of Frontiers would have. I feel bad for the actor and the character.

  • @cridow
    @cridow หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    god i wish theyd kept this. i wanted to see him grow. instead release wyll got barely any content :/ it was disappointing.

  • @BigVorst
    @BigVorst หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    I used to find EA Wyll annoying, mostly because of his obsession with the goblins. But, man. Release Wyll just feels flat in comparison.

    • @dorianleakey
      @dorianleakey หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Well, they were right to change it, but maybe too much? I feel like Mizora makes more sense being captured seperately, chasing her down to free her would make her seem relateable.

    • @BigVorst
      @BigVorst หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @dorianleakey Nah, I completely agree.

    • @valkyrie-randgris
      @valkyrie-randgris หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Honestly, I want to be annoyed with what it cost us (this more complex and interesting Wyll), but the goblin thing DID feel like the weakest part of this by a mile.
      Don't know that they had to go full Tiamat threat level re: Wyll's being pulled into the pact with Mizora, but surely there could have been a happy medium more interesting then "some random jackass goblins that are conveniently at the camp you need to explore".

    • @bobbobby475
      @bobbobby475 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Imagine you got captured, tortured, and lost your eye to goblins. You would probably kill them too... Also he watched a whole village get ransacked by them as well and unable to stop it. How can you even find that annoying...

    • @dorianleakey
      @dorianleakey หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bobbobby475 it just contrasts with his noble hero thing, I am amazed you don't understand the tropes involved here.

  • @hairo4242
    @hairo4242 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    it is unfortunate that we didn't get this wyll but I am amazed that larian completely changed wyll and there is no hint of this wyll in full release. Like when they said they want to revize a character they revized it from a start oh my god if it was any other game company he would barely change yet here we have a totally new wyll which impresses me a lot!

  • @nonducorduco7356
    @nonducorduco7356 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Wyll takes a lot to warm up to because he seems so lack luster compared to the rest despite having the biggest tie ins to the story. I think EA Wyll was a lot, and I can see how some of the problems of why fans maybe didn't like him was due to him having so many ties to the main plot and inserting himself almost as the leader of the group. He's overly cocky but preaches about being a hero, which again I can see how that would rub people the wrong way. I think I would have liked a more roughed out Wyll in final, one who is DESPERATE to be a hero but can't seem to make the right choices because his pact is acting like a double edged sword. Live Wyll is like.....he's there. Larian should have blended EA and Live Wyll into a more balanced character

  • @moonfox18
    @moonfox18 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Everyone who prefers Wyll this way: I hear you and respect it. However playing with him was torture. He was annoying and a goodie two shoes except when he gave into goblin urge. He also was one of the hardest to romance without bugs.
    Know that the Wyll we see in this video gets the benefit of someone modding + not having to listen to him whine on the road. I played 300~ hours of early access and even on runs where I tried to make Wyll the focus, it was a let down.
    The Wyll we have now is better because his plot line makes sense. Is he a super lawful good aligned boy scout? Sure. He's also got more meaningful depth than the chaos kid from EA who likely would have destroyed the grove if it had a goblin druid

  • @AIWboojum
    @AIWboojum หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    My goodness I like this voice actor and character so much more than what we ended up with. I generally just leave Wyll in the grove now because he's so dull.

  • @eckat5
    @eckat5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I immediately loved Wyll in EA (though his introduction was where I had to stop playing bc I was on my old MacBook at the time, and it kept crashing 😭).
    I remember him becoming an immediate favorite, and then when I finally was able to play full release a few months later, it felt like the same vibe wasn’t there 😭 It’s a bit jarring seeing this again, now! I wish they would have kept him a bit more flawed, like this. It makes him a lot more personable!

  • @MsReveur
    @MsReveur หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Oh this is interesting! This is the first time I see EA Wyll's story. I must say that I really prefer his EA storyline. It's far more interesting than the release version. Now Wyll's character seems so underdeveloped compared to the other companions. The writers did such an amazing job with the other members of the party but current Wyll... I don't know, it feels like they completely rushed through writing his storyline.
    I absolutely love Theo Solomon's performance and I think his voice is a better fit for a noble person like Wyll. I like both actors but Theo's performance is a little more posh.
    I wish the writers at Larian wouldn't have changed everything about Wyll so drastically. 😢

  • @mausebas
    @mausebas หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    "I didn't become the Blade of Frontiers overnight" hehe

  • @JohnnyTsunami55
    @JohnnyTsunami55 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    17:17 Yeeeeeees!! The "I'm coming as fast as I can." line !

  • @karolswieboda1781
    @karolswieboda1781 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Halfway through the video now, this Wyll is very intriguing. I got used to the new Wyll's voice so hearing this one sounds a bit weird, but it's growing on me fast. Sometimes you see the EA videos and wonder "why did they change it, why did they cut it out". Watching this I can see both good and bad changes but everyone has a preference, they may have liked stuff that I don't.

  • @undertakenheart
    @undertakenheart หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    15:35 That's the hottest Wyll has ever been to me. He has no edge in the final release.

  • @saal0
    @saal0 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    “An old legend I just made up” 😂

  • @thenim8999
    @thenim8999 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love how in this version Wyll *could've* told you about Mizora, but just chose not to. It makes a lot of sense, and it's much more interesting than him "not being able to" like in final release. Makes it sound like they were trying to justify why he didn't just tattle his whole backstory to a stranger, as if they even needed to.
    All this, and you can't even be understanding of Wyll's situation in most dialogue choices, even as a warlock. It's as if they couldn't make up their mind about how the story should go about treating him.

  • @ilikematches2
    @ilikematches2 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    This is what happens when artists compromise and pander to the vocal few. Larian should have just told their story.

  • @makanivalur
    @makanivalur หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The thing I miss the most was him having a 'condition' to joining. It made so much sense somehow. Also the fact that a kobold took his eye. I thought that was really quite funny lol

  • @deepstonecostco
    @deepstonecostco หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Honestly never going to forgive everyone in EA who griped about him so much that Larian restarted him from scratch, likely resulting in his utter lack of content compared to other characters. :\

  • @bunnyboygamille
    @bunnyboygamille หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Holy crap I would have actually liked Wyll if this was the Wyll we got in full release. The things he says here have weight. I also love the less posh accent for him.
    Instead we've got a flat exposite on what just happened with zero emotion character. And when he swears it sounds like a primary school child testing out swearing whereas the other characters that do swear: for Karlach it's a dialect choice, and for Astarion it's a rarity that comes out when he's anxious and it seems to have weight and purpose.
    I did a run where the only companions I had were Lae'zel, Astarion, and Wyll. And the only time I really felt I got an original thought from him or any emotion was around Durge's story in Act 3.
    Overall he just lacks emotion. Even if his dad dies, even if he watches his dad die in the Iron Throne, he just kind of shrugs it off. Someone with such a complicated relationship with their parent would have a complex emotional reaction to the death of that parent. We don't really get that here.
    Every other character, I had reasons for disliking them as a first impression (except Karlach, she is perfect 😂) and how each one grew on me over time. Some, like Astarion and Gale grew on me quickly (in spite of me HAAAATING them both at first). Others, like Lae'zel and Shadowheart required more time (although my impressions of both were started more favorably than with the boys). I've not ever had that with Wyll. I can fix him so that he can hit an enemy. I can't fix him so that I feel like doing his story.

  • @jonbaxter2254
    @jonbaxter2254 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Wow, he has so much much spiky character here. I like regular wyll, but this one has certainly more layers

  • @SilenceSilver
    @SilenceSilver หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I'm glad they got rid of the londoner accent for a more "queen's english" since he is nobility, but I do like the personality he has here. It's just a little bit cheeky. Not full on Astarion cockiness but a little bit of self deprecation and playfulness

  • @bronmill33
    @bronmill33 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    🖕🏻 the EA players who mistreated Wyll and led to what we have now, Larian should’ve never listened to them. now we’re at a point where the hate and neglect from EA players led to Larian thinking all the players would hate him and just straight up neglecting him

  • @Sharie_mabari
    @Sharie_mabari 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    God I wish we'd gotten this Wyll. Such an interesting guy.

  • @pastafour3717
    @pastafour3717 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He’s less boring, more charismatic, and less robotic too.

  • @blackmoon2128
    @blackmoon2128 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Why he was replaced with the one we got? It's like a completely different character, what happened?

  • @mandydoesinfactnose
    @mandydoesinfactnose 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    i miss chaotic good wyll :(

  • @niIIer1
    @niIIer1 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    People who simp over old wyll should remember his story essentially ends at "This random 15hp goblin is my mortal enemy". He was definitely improved.

  • @ducky36F
    @ducky36F หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    It’s a bit ironic I remember in EA people complained the companions were to confrontational all the time…. Now people complain they are too easy to please. Difficult balance I guess 😂

    • @Ellisepha
      @Ellisepha หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Gale's in a kinda similar spot - in EA, the magic items he needed to consume were very limited, and had to be actually powerful. The Idol of Sylvanus and the Hellblade you can get on the Nautiloid are some I can remember. This was also one of the incentives to give the player to actually consider stealing the Idol.
      I both like and hate that Gale's Hunger is so easy to satiate now. I think he'd be hated a lot more if they kept the restrictions, but I also think that it would have been more interesting and engaging for the players to have to make difficult choices like this.

  • @connorbabylon5957
    @connorbabylon5957 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I like my boy being cocky ngl

  • @lakisoo
    @lakisoo หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    Modders, give us this man back

    • @SenaFoxGirl
      @SenaFoxGirl หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I would but I can't find a copy of EA I regret not backing up my version of the game so damn much.

    • @lakisoo
      @lakisoo หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SenaFoxGirl i think someone could just record voicelines from this video and still make it somehow work, but it would require a lot of programing and work

    • @hanzomariano2302
      @hanzomariano2302 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@lakisoo what about act 2/3? It is not something modders can fix.

    • @Mithcoriel
      @Mithcoriel หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SenaFoxGirl Well maybe the voice lines and animations are still in the game files somewhere, just not used.

    • @paracetamolgirl7820
      @paracetamolgirl7820 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@SenaFoxGirlYou can reinstall the game on a different drive and just roll back the updates to EA. (Or you could pirate it, I guess. 🤷🏿‍♀️)

  • @MaryJay1988
    @MaryJay1988 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Damn, I really like THIS Wyll 😯👍Theo did splendid job, but i do prefer this voice 👉👈 Many thanks for uploading this video! 😃👍

  • @RayneVonKroft
    @RayneVonKroft หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    BRING THIS WYLL BACK LARIAN!! Makes me so mad they changed him so much

  • @leahrachelle.
    @leahrachelle. หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love this wyll compared to the one we got. feels a lot more relatable and flawed (in a good storytelling way). I probably would have let him travel around with me if he acted like this.

  • @theepinkprince
    @theepinkprince หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    All we could've had... 💔

  • @dsvwtrbeytnryune
    @dsvwtrbeytnryune หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    I wonder how the voice actor for EA Wyll felt about being cut.

    • @rodneystrangerfield412
      @rodneystrangerfield412 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      sucks because he is significantly better then the guy we got, I have no idea why people didn't like him

    • @nonducorduco7356
      @nonducorduco7356 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      This version of Wyll shares a similar accent to Theo's (release Wyll) normal speaking voice but they had him go more posh.

    • @Isus24-s8e
      @Isus24-s8e หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Apparently he didn't have time to record new voice lines so they casted Theo and he barely had any time comparing to other voice actors who were in the game from the very beginning. Don't like the new Wyll and whenever i hear ''Wyll Ravengard'' i wanna puke. Boring plain vanilla character that only exists cause girlies who are only playing this game for Astarion and dress up were crying that he is a fake hero. THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT. All of our companions used to be way more ''edgy'' and evil in EA. Shadowheart used to dislike me most of the time cause i was making good choices and she hated them. I kill Karlach and let goblins slaughter the Grove every playthrough now. I hate Karlach i hate this Wyll and Halsin is just boring. They only added him cause again girlies had hots for ''daddy Halsin''.

    • @rodneystrangerfield412
      @rodneystrangerfield412 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Isus24-s8e Halsin is awful, only one i can't stand, it sucks one of the most fun quests needs him to be recruited.

  • @aphroDmn
    @aphroDmn หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Despite what others say I really do love the sweet version of Wyll we have now but damn I love this one so much more. Such a shame that we missed out.

  • @AmandaHighland
    @AmandaHighland หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As someone who romanced Wyll in my first bg3 run, there were so many elements of this Wyll that I loved so much more than his final version. I do love the VA they ended up going with, this guy was very talented, but something sounded a little too modern about his voice and like he was trying to old timey (kind of like having an iPhone face, but auditorily). I will say I LOVED the elements of having this mixed relationship with Mizora and think that would have made the final release romance so much more interesting with it being this kind of unwilling love triangle for Wyll between the person he cares about and the cambion he can't say no to. I do feel like his motivations here didn't make a ton of sense and I feel like his story would have run out of steam a bit after he extracts his revenge on the goblins. Ideally I think having a blend of this Wyll with final release Wyll would have been so much better. Making his backstory be one of "my dad was perfect and I knew I could never live up so I just became a little spoiled brat who then was sent away to join the Fists and finally felt like I could be a hero in my own right and make my father proud, only to be tricked by a cambion and come back as a disgraced warrior and be disowned by my father" and then having that be the driver for why he wants to be the hero would just make more impact I feel.

  • @rrrnzzz
    @rrrnzzz หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I miss him :((

  • @RemyBop
    @RemyBop 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    My god he has so much personality here. WTH happened that made them change him so much?

    • @RemyBop
      @RemyBop 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And when I say personality I don't mean with the voice acting. I mean Wyll himself. He seems a lot more outgoing and personable here.

    • @wildcardscooby2138
      @wildcardscooby2138 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If you read an old comments many people the sensitive fans are the reasons why it happened

  • @wackantheduck6883
    @wackantheduck6883 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    You must've made the fruitiest, zestiest most flamboyant character I've ever seen.

  • @Frostman411
    @Frostman411 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    The main reason I think Wyll got changed was that he flip flopped a lot between his desire for revenge on Spike and the goblins and his desire to save the grove. It gave the idea that he really was using the grove as an excuse for his revenge. BUT this wasn't reflected in his approval changes. Everything backed up the idea that he was a good man, better than he was being depicted and a more level headed approach to the character was taken.
    Like, as someone who played the EA and loves the old voice actor, I am glad that they took the current route.
    Also his reason for taking his warlock pact was a lot weaker in the EA. He pacted to Mizora after a goblin attack left a village in ruins with little he could do to stop them. And the goblins took his eye.
    I like the changes. I wish he kept a bit of the egotistical penache that the old version had when it came to his image as the Blade of Frontiers. But I do like that the new version is just an honorable man who took his pact to save Baldur's Gate from a calamity. He is a far more tragic hero in the current story, and his connection to Karlach was a fantastic addition.

    • @Ratty524
      @Ratty524 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah honestly, if the current Wyll and this more charismatic-but-blatantly egotistical EA version were merged, he would have been far more interesting and likable as a character.

    • @Isus24-s8e
      @Isus24-s8e หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      EA Wyll had an ego and would ''exaggerate'' a lot. I was 100% sure that he is either lying about the reason why he took the pact with Mizora or he is omitting some crucial facts that gonna be revealed later on. EA Wyll was a mystery. You never knew if he is lying saying the truth or mixing the two together because of his ego.

  • @rubyl4480
    @rubyl4480 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Like basically everyone else here i like EA Wyll better, so much more personality
    He kinda reminds me of Ben 10 as a teenager, arrogant but has the skill and legend to back up his inflated ego, and genuine generosity and altruism despite ego

  • @Lileedawn
    @Lileedawn หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I hope for a mod that mixes EA Wyll and Live Wyll. This I would love.

  • @joyurizzzz
    @joyurizzzz 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    like everyone else, i like this version way more because it's so fleshed out. i wouldn't mind the rewrite half as much if it wasn't so last minute and left wyll as a hollow husk of a character

  • @noitsbecky1278
    @noitsbecky1278 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    justice for EA wyll. the fandom didn't like him so larian rewrote him and they STILL don't like him. (almost as if there's another reason for it 🤔)

  • @dorianleakey
    @dorianleakey หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Ee's a lahndan geezer, innit.

  • @anxiatea1120
    @anxiatea1120 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    He’s so attractive still omg

  • @mackthedog95
    @mackthedog95 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    what the hell, this story is SO MUCH better than what we ended up getting, Why did they change it?