Things NOT To Do With Routers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2024
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You would be hard-pressed to find a tool that's more versatile than a router. And it's that versatility that requires us to understand exactly how the router (and bits) work in order to keep things safe. The setup and accessories can change so often that you can quickly find yourself doing something unfamiliar and potentially dangerous. So here are a few things you should NOT do with with a router.
+ Don't Go the Wrong Way - It's important to understand the direction the router should travel with respect to the work.
+ Don't Disregard Speed - Make sure you run the router at the speed that's appropriate for the bit and learn to control the speed of your hands as you move across the work.
+ Don't Forget Your Support Pin - Router table lifts usually come with a support pin that can go a long way in supporting workpieces on bearing-guided operations.
+ Don't Bottom Out Your Bits - Don't push your bits all the way to the bottom of the collect.
+ Don't Over-tighten Your Collet - Most good quality collect should not need to be muscled into submission just to grip a bit.
+ Don't Take Too Deep of a Cut - Taking off too much material at once will cause excessive chatter and put a lot of stress on the bit.
+ Don't Route Narrow Edges - Routers are big and top-heavy, so don't try to use them on narrow edges without additional support.
+ Don't Ignore the Sounds - Being able to hear the sounds your router makes during a cut can tell you a lot about what's happening.
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I have to be completely honest here, I’ve been woodworking for a number of years and I’ve never used a support pin. I built my own router lift into my table saw and I will definitely be adding a support pin to it. That’s a really solid safety feature I hadn’t known even existed. Thanks for the video!
i like the type of "Not to" video. as a newbie in woodworking, i sometimes really dont know if something im doing is okay, or not. this is nice!
Do you use a table saw?
@@estebanrodriguez8571 nopes, though, i have watched a lot of safety videos on them regardless.. just out of interest :D at least not every machine in the woodshop is constantly trying to kill you.
Another great video. I have learned a couple of lessons the hard way about using a router: 1) I *never* climb cut (go the "wrong" way) without making the cut the right way at the same depth first. You can climb cut (carefully) to clean up a cut that's already done, but I never do it when the cut will remove any significant amount of wood. There's too much chance of the workpiece being thrown by the router or losing control of the router if you do. 2) body position is important for controlling the router. If I am making a longer cut, like down the long edge of a large cutting board, I cut to the end and around the corner just a bit, then I *turn off the router* and reposition the piece so I can keep my feet and body in a good position to control the router before I continue the cut. I don't like to reach out too far or even move my feet much as I am cutting; it feels like I have less control, and less control always equals bad news. Perhaps I am overly cautious, but a couple of "oh sh!+" close calls have gotten my attention. It only takes one screw up with a router to really mess you up.
I'm used to larger, corded routers th-cam.com/users/postUgkxfQ5_mgwq6PcudJvAH25t-I4D-3cTPz4z so this was a different experience for me. Basically, this is an incredibly sweet machine, fits well in the hand, etc. It has slightly less power than I'm used to, but that's understandable. Maneuvering freehand takes some practice. These days, it's especially nice to be able to avoid power cords. This is above the level of a hobbyist but below a pro level.
I remember using my router table and not thinking of the direction and the router grabbed the wood and went right through the sheet rock, scared the bleep out of me.
I kept the hole to remind me of direction to go. Excellent tips and Thank You
Me too! My mistake was cutting a dado. Made the first cut then moved the router table fence TOWARDS me to make the second. Oops
One of the only woodworking channels whose humor I actually enjoy! Great job! And I look forward to to seeing your current, updated refresher videos on the basics. It's like phase 2 of your youtube career (or 3 or 4 or 5 or 10!)
Love that intro! You're spot on about listening to the router - I keep the music down when working with power tools as I can understand what's happening and make adjustments accordingly. This is especially true for routers and also on table saws when doing a long rip cut.
If I'm using anything more dangerous than a jigsaw or a random orbit sander, I make sure I turn off the music before I start the tool up. It helps keep me focused on the cut, rather than the music, and gives me a second to collect myself instead of just jumping directly into it.
@TheWoodWhisperer I find it helpful to think of the strip of wood as a strip of road when figuring out what direction to move the router. Stay in the right lane whenever the router is right side up (moving by hand)
But in a router table, when the router is upside down, I think of how some countries on the other side of the world have their driving lanes backwards (or upside down..) like Japan, and then that makes me think to keep the router in the left lane instead.
Kudos to you, Mark! There was a lot of great advice in your video, but the most important piece that many people don't get is listening to your tools or anything for that matter. Different sounds are so important for identifying what the heck is happening. Thank you!
Great vid! One tip I'll add is to make sure your collet is clean every time when changing bits. A little sawdust in the collet can prevent a good hold on the bit. I just remove the collet and give it a little toot of air.
Great tip!
Lol toot of air
A little toot of air? (bends down and farts into the collet)
Great video, as always. I like how you dig into the those details that really arent explained anywhere else
Do you have a video about the sounds a tool makes and what that sound means? that would be a very helpful video
What a great video for beginners to routing! Thank you for the info!
Hi Marc!! Thanks for the great videos.
Absolutely LOVE the opening. Reminds me of old school Wood Whisperer, back in the days of the genie in the drawer. Thank you for all you do for the wood working community. So glad I found you on Amazon before it was removed.
Thanks for the reminder about the router table pin, I tend to forget about that one.
As always great information. I learn something new every time, or just great reminders of things I take for granted. Thank you!!
Thanks Marc for what you do!
Thanks for refresher info as well as new approaches to the use of this tool...always enjoyable and informative when visiting your channel! Thanks again!
Great tips! Thanks Mark!
Amazing video thanks for sharing guys🙌🤘😀
Thanks Marc. These videos are helpful and enjoyable. I like your picture frame idea for routing directions and not listening to music so you can learn from the tool. Please continue this type of instruction. There’s always something to learn or to have refreshed by watching them.
Hey - this was a really well done video. Thanks !
Just got a trim router and have never used one before... really needed this! Thanks!
Great info! Ive been hesitant to use my routers. Now more confident! Cheers! And Thanks!!
Thanks. Clear and short info. Got it saved as I don't route often.
Thanks for sharing this information.
A very welcome and useful vlog...!
So why didn't you make this video last year? Would've saved me messing up a load. But learned my lesson.
Trying to find a good comprehensive video giving advice was quite hard but this is just what we need.
This was super awesome! Thanks for this. Your instruction style is great! 👌
Thanks Marc always interested in more tips! 👍👍👍👍👍
Great video and very informative. Thanks
Great video as always!! Learned these lessons the hard way..
Great tips for determining direction. Another tip is to ALWAYS keep your head in the game for every cut, regardless of how "safe" and easy the cut is, and (2) use a bit guard when possible. I recently lost part of a finger and injured another while cutting easy, repetitive edge profiles. I got into a groove and started thinking about other things...then thud! I hope no one else ever hears the sound of fingers getting thrashed by a router bit.. I'll never forget it!
Great info, Marc. Thanks for the very informative video.
That was very helpful, enjoyable & made me smile throughout. Great job!
Very informative video. great job!! I watched your video several times and learned a lot. thank you
Nice refresher, things I knew but sometimes fail to recall. Great advise for safety and desired outcomes.
This is an excellent video! Thank you.
Great video. Like many, I learned a handful of these through experience and it was very humbling each time. It will seem like the kind of thing you can quickly counter/correct, and a lot of the time that’s true, but that’s assuming that everything else about the operation is going right. If you start putting your weight into a cut, and perhaps it’s a weird angle because there’s crap on the floor, a power cable/hose in the way, it’s just a weird work piece, a runaway router can easily become something beyond your control and do some instant and permanent damage to anything around it.
Yes always practice good balanced posture, maintain a clean and safe shop, take the time to sort obstacles for each operation, but also just accept that you can do 99% of things totally right and still lose control if something like this happens. Then you’re more likely to plan cuts accordingly and even do a dry run with some scrap.
Loved the intro lol! Great tips video Marc. I remember when I first started out, taking too much in a pass, it ended up snapping the bit and the loose piece went flying.
Love the sound of router burning in the morning
All excellent advice. Thanks!
Thanks Marc, good video
Best intro in the history of TH-cam... more please!
It's always good to be reminded of proper router use
No matter how experienced we are. Thanks
Excellent and useful info here, thank you.
Great intro, at first I thought it was an homage to Perfect Strangers.
I always remember left to right only if the router is between you and the work. Right to left if the work is between you and the router. And if you’re between the router and work piece, better watch this video again.
Your intro was classic silly sit-com beginning. Loved it!
Great instructional video. I especially liked the picture frame router direction guide. I may have to make one to hang on my wall to help remind me of which way to route
Love it! simple easy explanations to all my router problems :)
Very helpful for me as someone who will be using a router for the first time very soon!
Was just wondering why so many videos just couldn't say counter clock wise 🤣 Makes much more sense so thank you!
Great video its always good to remind ourselves of tool use !!
Thank you! ❤
Great tip on listening to the sound of the tool. I don't think that's talked about enough.
Great video. Loved the intro.
Fantastic, dude! Thanks a lot! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thank you for taking the time making the videos. Router is a dangerous tool when not used properly.
Great video and amazing intro as bonus
Great video!!!!
Good tips, Marc!
Thanks!
Thanks again for a great video, very informative and entertaining as we are used from you. But this intro today is really a home-run! Hilarious! I had to watch it like 7 times! (Could it be because you hit some oldy neurons?) Congrats! you nailed it once again!
Haha love the intro! Very creative
So good discribed, that i understand it ;-) Greetz from Germany!
Thank you
Amazing Intro! I loved it. @2:50 the picture of the frame. At least in the US, just imagine it's a road and the router is driving.
The reason you don't bottom out the bit is because of thermal expansion. The bit gets much hotter than the collet and the shank of the big grows slightly in length. When you tighten a cold bit bottomed out in the collet, you create a fixed distance from the grab point to the end of the shank. Use the router, heat the bit, grow the shank and it can break loose the grab point. It may throw the bit. If you are noticing the bottoms of your cuts are at slightly different levels, try making sure you leave that gap in the collet for thermal growth. Edit to add: it also makes it easier to break loose the collet nut. A bottomed out bit will wedge in the collet when it heats making the nut MUCH harder to loosen. This applies to any collet, honestly. Not just routers.
Straight facts. I second this post. There's also less vibration if you don't bottom out the shank in the collet, which is better for your bit, router, and the work piece.
Thanks a lot big bro
Impressively useful weekly content. I hope you can keep up the quality with this crazy schedule. I've added to shop pencils after last week and have a new router this week to practice these lessons with.
Thanks man. We won't be doing this pace forever. It would be really difficult to keep the quality up to my personal standard. But we have enough in the tank for a little while. :)
Nice thanks
Had to pause during the intro, that was too notch nostalgia. I love it 😂😂😂
You stated you used to do cabinet building but nit anymore so can i ask what you are doing now. Your shop is the perfect size. Love watching all your videos. Real learning wjth everyone of them. Thanks
"Conventional Cut" (moving in the direction that gives resistance as you cut) vs. "Climb Cut"(moving the way that causes the router to take off on you, tear out, etc...),\. Professionally this is what these are called. When cutting with a handheld or table router we always use the direction that gives us a conventional cut(for safety and quality). However, when you're using a CNC you can choose to use a climb cut in certain situations because the machine holds it steady and prevents it from taking off. Great Video !
Wow those shorts are something else lmao. Love the video!
Omg i LOVE that intro!!!! Epic :))))
That intro was awesome!!!😂
What did you say?! "If you use them incorrectly, they will **** you up!" Did not see that coming...I love it!
Great tips Marc! And I loved the intro! Sounded like the bit was veering off track and biting into the workpiece.
no too deep of a cut
too much too quick sort of thing
That could be it as well. Definitely a loss of control sound.
I don’t need Big Woodworking coming in and telling me what to do with my router. How I handle my router with my 6.5 fingers is my business. ☺️
Tell the truth... you like big wood ... 😏
Took me about 2 seconds to realize what you mean by 6.5 fingers. Quantity, not length. I've seen some long fingers, but nowhere near 6.5" long.
Those are cool tips .Comming from the metal industry we climb mill about 90% of the time which i did when first using a router ,mixing it up sometimes.
Milling cutters have a far longer greater life span when climb milling .
Once again, incredible lessons from a master. When I think of how long you have been at this, I am in awe. When I think of how old I was when I first discovered your channel, It makes me focus on how much older you look now. Then I realize that I am older than you. Then, well, now I need a hug 😔
Haha life is better when we stop looking in the mirror so much. :) If we're lucky, we'll all get old, lol.
That intro is everything!
As always, an informative video. It also brings up a couple questions I have. Firstly, is there some sort of table or reference that should be used with the variable speed routers for bits of various diameters? I haven't been able to find much info on this topic from Milwaukee or otherwise, and so it has been a guessing game for me in practice. Secondly, I find that if I don't tighten the bejesus out of the collet on my M18 router, that my bit starts to move, and my depth reference is lost. Even with a very conservative amount of material being removed. Thirdly (not a question) though I use my ear protection for music, in the shop, music is only through the speakers, and the muffs only go on for cuts/sanding/etc. Thanks for everything Marc!
Great info for the inexperienced woodworker, Marc.
Love the intro!
For the direction of the router i think it's much easier to just turn your hand so the knuckles face up. Spread your Thumb and Index finger normally. Point on/to the edge you wand to work on with your thumb, with your index finger along the edge. Your index finger will give you the direction your router needs to travel. For router tables either go left hand or turn the hand palm facing upwards.
Hard to explain, very easy to do.
This is the method I like to use but you need to use your right hand.
I started woodworking to build Speakers, so naturally my shop has a really nice sound system which many people are impressed by when they hear it, they're also very confused when I have music playing when I'm using the table saw or generally working, but the moment I have to use the router table, I turn everything off and give it my full attention, to the point where I'm ignoring people trying to talk to me, which I get really annoyed by. The table saw, I can feel the saw speaking through the wood, I don't need to hear that one, you can feel it. You can't effectively feel the router table, you have to listen to it.
I have never had kickback from a saw, I tend to follow those safety protocols to the T because I'm very wary of the big spinning wheel of dismemberment, it's a nice big reminder to be careful every time you go near one. I have had my router table rip a piece of wood from my hands and chuck it across the room with so much force that I had to stop for a minute and think about what just happened and how lucky I was that I decided to move the cars first and that I stood on the correct side of the table. For me at least, I got complacent with my router safety because I just didn't think it was all that dangerous, feeding some wood in the wrong way was a solid reminder that I have not replicated since. Really gained some respect for the router table after that, that piece of wood would have injured me badly if I wasn't so lucky.
How I keep it straight in my head. Always go counterclockwise. Even when you are inside a frame, you are moving counterclockwise relative to the board you're on, you just get interrupted at the joint and move on to the next board again traveling counterclockwise relative to it. I orient my approach to the board I'm on rather than the entire piece.
Another reason not to bottom out a bit into a collet is heat. Bottomed out, the heat from the bit can transfer into the router cooking up the motor armature and diminishing the tool's life cycle. I keep a small, rubber O-Ring in the router so that, even if I forget, the bit is not bottomed out and always at a consistent, predictable height. I just have to remember occasionally to check that the O-Ring is still there and hasn't degraded yet. Thanks for the vid
Great intro and info, Marc~! I've got a couple friends new to woodworking (newbs~!) that I'm passing this video to. I'll chastise them accordingly for not having already subscribed to TWW. What are they thinking?? 🤨
Thanks~!
Definitely an A+ for the video opening.
That intro got me :-D
WOW. Not left to right, counter clockwise but clockwise inside unless climb and opposite in a table- got it!!
good video. I'd always thought the reason to not bottom out the bit was to keep it from jamming and make it easier to remove
Great video. I'd also add (and you made a video about this), don't approach the router table like you do a table saw. Meaning, when using a router table, don't place the material between the fence and the bit (like one would do with a table saw). I don't have the link handy, but @The Wood Whisperer you made a video on this once before.
Yeah, that's an almost 100% certain way to turn your workpiece into a missile.
Thanks for the information, I guess I need to buy a actually football now. This may help stop the chunks of grass from clogging up my bits.
Well wait a second. My kids think turning up the music makes the bad noises go away in their cars. Now I am confused LOL
Never thought of using my router as a food processor. Going to have to give this a try!
Pro Tip..
Use a compression bit for less mess...
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It dices, it slices, it chops and is dishwasher safe.... I see a infomercial in the works
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