Thanks for the video. I agree with RayRayslawncare I don’t think the Toro and VRide are set the same. Even if the markings are the same on the height adjustment…I don’t think the blade heights are the same. That doesn’t mean that it would change the cut quality, it would just change the amount of grass that got cut. Keep keeping it real
Shane (and Don) thanks so much for bringing us along for this comparison. It was cool to see these brands side by side. I’m a Toro guy by default because that’s all I’ve ever run and most companies around me also run Toro’s. That said, I would love the opportunity to run a Scag to see what it’s all about. Have a blessed day! Man I want a taco salad now, Big “H” nailed that recipe. 😂
Lol, I am laughing about the recipe!! I really found nothing wrong with the Toro but just looking at both they have some differences. I am so used to the Scag it's hard for me to find what I am used to in another mower. I would like to see Toro beef up some of the parts. If you ever get a chance to demo a Scag I think you will have some opinions on things you may not like. Keep making money with that Toro and enjoy it! Have a blessed day brother and thank you for the support
@@DOCREAL1118 not much dealer support for Scag around me but it would be neat to demo one. Curious, you mentioned not being a fan of EFI, curious as to why? Thanks again Shane.
@@Mark-zi2og I just don't think they have all the bugs worked out. If the efi messes up I have to take it in, if mine messes up I can fix the carb myself. 👍
New subscriber from Ohio - new lawncare business - going through the process of SCAG vs Toro right now - I like the fact Toro does not have any grease fitting - but the Scag does cut very well.
Nice to meet you David! Thanks for the support man. All I can say is the velocity deck on the Scag is heads above the Toro, especially for the type of grass we have in Ohio. Good luck on your choice, if you have any questions feel free to ask
52" TORO is $12k new, AnitScalp comes on the 60" Decks not the 52". If both mower decks were leveled by the dealer during setup, then the cut height should be exact on the settings say at 3.5 inches. Also, TORO warranty is 5yrs or 1200 hours. Great video comparison. Ohio springs are fun for sure!!
12k, I had no idea they were that high! I agree about cut height if both set up by dealer. Thank you sir and you know they are for sure! Wet and thick!!
Hey Shane. I would go with the Scag vride but you need the 61 inch to go with your 48 inch vride. If you have to get a bigger trailer then get one but in the long run I think you will be much more efficient and have the opportunity to make more money or at least cut down on your time mowing.
I gave quite a bit of thought to the 61, the only problem is I don't have enough big yards to use it on. I will eventually lose a few of my bigger ones due to people selling and moving. The 52 would just be more practical.
You meant well however the only true comparison would be to measure blades to the ground and set the decks Accordingly, the numbers on the side are just numbers. The Toro was higher just by the amount of grass out the chute (or lack there of). I’m in Cincinnati and can tell you the Toro does extremely well in wet grass, the Scag clumps in wet grass. Scabs are designed to throw and go not manicure the lawns. Scabs as a result of the large chute opening also leave a large amount of grass laying on the surface. I’ve had two Vride 2’s and thought they stripe well because of the rollers on the deck I wasn’t impressed with quality of cut and dispersed grass,, keep bringing the videos ,,
When you compare you make the settings the same all around. You compare a V-6 to a V-6, you don't set the timing different on the cars. Scag is for nicely manicured yards, I know this because I cut them everyday. Sounds like you're a great guy but have bought into the Toro hype to the point you can't see reality when it's right in front of you. I have no dog in the fight, I already own a Scag and I tried a Toro because of my buddy Tony. It just doesn't cut the mustard here in Columbus. Have an awesome night brother!
@@DOCREAL1118 What a lousy response. What he told you to compare is blade height, which would be an equal comparison. You obviously do have a dog in the fight, it is called pride and ego, it didn't allow you to hear the man and you responded with your bias, which is to say closed-mindedly. You gotta have the exact same condtions to compare anything, and if one blade is higher, the test is not equal. That is how all experiments are supposed to work.
@@raheppe I compared 2 mowers, set at #4 on each mower. Not my fault one doesn't cut as good as the other. You may not know, do to lack of watching, but I own a Bad Boy. You don't compare apples to oranges you compare apples to other apples. Not sure what got under your crawl but have a blessed day
Love the Vidoes Doc, but all he was saying was that the scabber isn’t really cutting at 4” inches when you put the setting on 4inch, all the mowers are different, even if you put all of them on 3 inches you wouldn’t necessarily be cutting the same exact height because the mowers aren’t always set up the same way, GCI turf goes through all the stand on mowers and measures deck height and most aren’t even set correctly, therefore you probably weren’t cutting the grass at the same heights
@@DylanHicksOutdoors Appreciate it. I understand what he is saying, This is not lost on me. The point I am trying to make is that these are 2 brand new mowers off the floor. For an out of the box comparison, I put both on their 4 inch setting. Not measuring, just stock 4 inch setting and then mowed with them. One did a better job and one didn't, there were also other things that one had that the other didn't, not just cutting. You don't have time to do in depth studies when you have 10 lawns staring you in the face and it's 11 in the morning and the dealer has to get the mowers back to the shop. I am not a fulltime youtuber, I am a fulltime Lawncare owner. Thanks for the feed back but folks are taking this to a ridiculous extreme.
I’ve used a lot of mowers I use cub pro x I got one with 1100 hours All original bolts very comfortable machine cuts really good 3 year Unlimited warranty
Excellent comparison Doc. The V-Ride 2 looks the goods to me. Very robust machine, cuts beautifully & no plastic. Dealer support is "huge" & has saved my bacon. Cheers Mate. 💯🫵💪😎
I dont use either brand. They have to adjust the deck to the blade tip height. Just because it says 4" doesn't mean it is. You actually measure from the blade tip to the ground and you can adjust the deck so it matches the settings, fyi.
Doc, check out the bobcats. Bought one earlier this year. Built like a tank. Mows like a champ and stripes better than my Ferris and wright stand ons. Once those get wore out they will be replaced with bobcats.
I’ve found that striping is directly related to blade choice. I have six different sets of blades for my Scag that I switch out depending on conditions and what results I want.
Even the frame of the vride looks heavier duty than the Toro. Great comparison video! Pricing has a lot to do with what people buy as well if they want to stay within a certain budget. I'm guessing the Toro is less expensive than the vride.
@@DOCREAL1118 I'm weird that way, I tend to see that kind of thing because I've always had my hands dirty working on cars most of my younger years. Being mechanically inclined, I could care less about pretty. Thank you for your videos! I do enjoy watching them! God bless!
Great review brother!!! So glad you did this video!! Like I commented earlier I would have bought the scag but the dealers around here are awful! I totally agree the scag cuts better but the toro is good just not as good. I will say being able to use the toro as a walk behind on my commercial properties that have really steep hills has been an absolute game changer this season. I’m making more money each month due to this feature without having to drum up new business which is great!! I’m gonna keep the toro in good shape but I’m still gonna strive to buy a scag on the next purchase, just got to find a dealer in NC that offers some type of support. Great video again brother!!
Thank you! In no way am I saying you can't get it done with the Toro because you absolutely can. For my yards, the Scag just gives that little edge to properties and my customers expect it. You will love that Toro for years. If it is a good mower don't be in a hurry to buy anything else. God bless brother!! #TOROPOWER
I run a toro grandstand every day one with the kohler I’ve found if it’s in thick grass it doesn’t miss anything but if the grass is thin it will leave stragglers and I have videos of me mowing absolutely way overgrown grass and it never missed a single blade first pass it’s absolutely insane don’t get me wrong I’m a scag guy through and through all around cut quality and stripe just don’t compete with a scag but was definitely impressed with how it cuts over grown properties
I am sure it does well, I have seen it cut some yards and make them look beautiful. I really did the video to just show a bit of the differences and let folks form their own opinions. Scag is a leader for sure. I really think Toro has overpriced their mowers. All I do is weekly yards so nothing really ever gets overgrown. Thanks for the input and it should help others!
@@DOCREAL1118 I’m mowing a lot of yards in upper Arlington and Hilliard and Grandview area so most of the yards I’m cutting are thick and lush but not as we speak with this drought we are having here in Ohio lol I’m trying to get my partner talked into switching over to scag
My freind EFI is where it's at. I've been running mine for 2.5 years ,6 days a week no problems not to mention its just better theirs a reason all autos are fuel injected for more than 20 years now. Fuel injection is always adjusting the amount of fuel it addsor subtracts always trying to get the best fuel to air ratio ,so when you hit a patch of thicker grass it can add a little fuel keeping the engine steady . I have tiger cat 2 61" efi it's a ripper.
Been beating a 60” Dixie Chopper Yanmar Diesel ….hour meter stopped at 8850 hrs years ago and it still to this day fires up and purrs and I use it every day…..wore the deck out and hydro ….replaced them and right back at it like day one ….. buying a v-ride 32” for back yards …..I’ll be running that Dixie for as long as parts are available…..it’s a 2001 and it’s out lasted 2 gassers. So I guess I’m one of the rare ones lol …..paid $13.500 new for it.
That is amazing and so glad she is still running for you!! Wow!! Talk about a beast of a mower. Good luck with the 32" V Ride II. You will really like it, no promise it will last that long but WOW!!!
You only need to put one handle down on the toro to engage the blade. The toro also cuts a true to the number scam constantly cuts shorter. 4 year 1500.
@@DOCREAL1118 here , we don't worry about stripes, but cut quality is always key. Toro does great here, but my small engine shop is amazing and can work on anything!
Nice! What a fantastic comparison. The walking behind thing in the toro is really useful. The US version of the grandstand is different to the English version though. Different deck for a start. The casters are bigger over here, and to my eyes the back wheels are bigger. We have a ‘turbo force” deck which cuts in the wet and recycles grass better. In the 2023 version they’ve also moved the gas tank and there’s now a battery box. I wonder why you guys get a different version of the machine? ✊🙏💪
This was a turbo force deck. Not sure why we get different versions, maybe you guys are the test pilots. 🤣 I did my best to compare down to every detail 👊🇺🇸🙏💪🇬🇧
Im definitely with you on the Scag! Both great mowers . I cut quite a bit of wet grass , an like the scag cut quality. Ride and all around just the set up an machine better ! Thank you Doc !!
To be fair the Toro should have followed a Scag one pass mow. I've found with every mower the second pass always cleans up a first pass, no matter if the first pass looks clean and perfect. Then I have to second cut all the stripes.
I could have done that but there was nothing left to cut once I used the Scag, it really wasn't too hard to see that the Scag just cut better but point taken
Hey man, Like your videos. I know people will laugh but I went from scag to the cub stander 54”. Haven’t regretted the change. Very comfortable and cuts just as good as my cheetah did. 👌👍
Nothing wrong with that at all. Who would laugh at a man saving money. You do your thing and let them be upset as they make that big payment!! Thanks so much
People that would laugh at that haven’t tried the Cub Pro series. A lot on trailers in my area including mine. Very good mowers , hold up great. Good vid Doc. I prefer Scag over Toro or exmark as well .
Great comparison Shane. One thing though the Toro handles only one has to be down to engage the blades. But those handles are the safety because they can’t put it in the platform because of the platform folding up. Scag looks like a beast side by side to the toro. Wonder if scag is good on hills? That’s the game changer for me. Must be able to stick to a hill. 💪🏼💯
I couldn't get the blades on with one handle down. No clue what's with that. Johnny mow said the same thing. Big Moe has the 52 V ride and he has hills, I have some hills and it holds well. Not a 90 degree hill but some hills. The SCAG is such a beefy mower. I do like the ride of the Toro. Glad you enjoyed it. Had fun doing it
@@DOCREAL1118 yea the scag tires look huge which is good on hills. Your pad looked different than mine also. Maybe that was an older model either way scag cut did look cleaner for sure.
Awesome video guys and great comparison like Don said each company's equipment cuts at different heights even if they are set the same. I've ran Scag, Gravley, toro, and Exmark all at different heights. God Bless You and Mrs Sarah Brother.
Great video, a lot of guys I know swear by the grandstands/multiforce. My area is mostly Scag, Exmark and Toro, but I have started to see a couple other guys running John Deere. I was a little surprised that the Toro didn't have anti scalp wheels. I run John Deere so I don't have a dog in the fight, but if I had to choose I would pick the Scag. Have a great night!
Someone else mentioned the anti scalp wheels as well. Nothing wrong with Toro at all but just doesn't give the quality of cut I am looking for like Scag gives. Thanks brother! Have a great Friday
You mentioned and showed that the toro didn’t cut well, I think the deck wasn’t set exactly the same height as the Vride, like Jack was saying Just saying My opinions from chucky n my trucky, I have found it that most dealers do not adjust the mower decks as they should!
Hey, Doc! Good video, Brother. When you had the side by side comparison of the two mowers, I though it was a joke. Toro is a tried and true product, but to compare it to a mower with the same size deck, it seemed like they threw a bigger deck on a mower that could barely handle it. Not sure I'm saying that correctly, but it didn't seem to me like Toro doesn't have a mower for that comparison. Randall noticed the same thing I did. There are no anti scalp wheels! For me, in my washboard, crater laiden yard, I rely on those wheels, A LOT! Now, I'm not saying if someone dropped off a Toro in my yard and said, "it's all yours," I wouldn't use the hell out of it. I'm saying a good Scag is always better. Of course I've only had Scags with two legs, not four wheels, so I guess my comparisons are moot. 🤣 Hope you and your beautiful bride have an awesome day. Keep it REAL! TRUTH! God bless. Hi, Sarah!!
The scags look like they do good with those grass types that are up there but down here in the south where we have zoysia and Bermuda and cut it 2.5 inches and below you cant beat the tight baffles of a toro or exmark deck
ive seen comparisons before and used the toro a few times when i had to rent one when my grasshopper was down, i know my grasshopper makes a better cut then the toro i rented, but im ether going to buy a Scag or Wright next
@DOCREAL1118 I bought this 218 used 2 yrs ago, now I'm only mowing 2 days a wk around 30 lawns but I'm leaning towards growing it, I manage 3 small businesses, DJing for around 17 yrs now plus building the lawn care and then I also side hustle E-WASTE. So I run into Ohio to sell that off several times a yr.
Good video for a flat lawn comparison. Take them to the hills and you wont have much good to say about the Horo. Scag warranty is 3 yr or 500 hrs. For a little less than $600, you can get the extended 5 yr total unlimited hr warranty. No brainer for me! I've been demoing stand ons all spring and the Toro is the worst out of the 7 I've tried. Like you said, the cut is horrible, especially on my hilly terrain. And with the platform behind the wheels, all it does is wheelie. So good luck double cutting. Wheel and pump motor (Scag) versus transaxle (Toro) there is no comparison. I'm also in the Ohio area and the price for V-Ride 2 was $9600 before tax.
Thanks brother! I just found the Toro to be a second rate mower all around. I got a lot of heat for the video but I did apples to apples comparison. My warranty on my Scag was 2 yrs. unlimited hours. They must have changed it.
I haven't watched the video yet but already know the Scag will take this one. I went through demos on Scag, Toro, and Exmark, last year and the Scag wins hands down in my area(Ohio).
What I was trying to do is compare as close as I could. So I set them both at 4. We all know the deck heights don't come set perfectly but I wanted a true comparison 👍
Think with toro your paying for the name and we're you live also herd the grandstand more expensive in some areas like my area is cub cadet,troy built, Husqvarna,bad boy myself have cub cadet Ultima z1 zero turn mower 42 inch
Could be. I have a friend that loves his cub cadet, really is just personal choice. I would not own a Toro personally but that is just my opinion. We all have them
I put both mowers on 4 inches. You compare apples to apples not apples to oranges. They were both at 4 inches, one mower cut better than the other. PERIOD!! I don't give a care in this world what one commenter says about the difference in height
If you dont plan on keeping forever I say consider the efi. Money saved on fuel. All cars are efi now days so its just the new way. Ive pur 1100hrs on my efis with no issues
Thanks brother! I felt good on the Toro but just didn't cut well. The Scag is just a better built piece of equipment. Not bashing Toro but just not for me. I won't forget and we will certainly be there!! God bless
You both had them on 4 but as you know not all mowers are the same height. So toro 4 could be 4.1 and scag could be 3.9. If u lower the deck it would cut better. Like don said not all mowers same height. Just like if you raised the deck on the scag it wouldn’t cut as good
I agree it should come from the factory set right that’s why I won’t take the mower from the dealer until they adjust the deck. If I have the deck height on 3” the blades better be 3” off the ground. But I’m a scag fan all the way love the cut.
I know this is an old post but blue chip farms mow 8 hours a day 5 days a week big exmark with a Kawasaki 7200 hours never had an engine or a hydro problem before the hydros blew out I have two grandstands identical mowers same year identical motors one started puffing smoke at 2200 hours the other one still has not at 3100 hours it's the luck of the draw
@@DOCREAL1118I agree with you 100% both of my grandstands got replaced by V-Rides I picked up more accounts with hills and the grandstand front end comes up way too easy
@@jonhenry4842 I am not a fan of Kohler but if they work for you that's really all that matters. No one pays your bills but you so we all can kick rocks, lol
I gotta say doc you did a fantastic job on the review and you kept it honest with us I think the scag cuts really well to I'm just not seeing alot of companies using scag much anymore there using the toro grandstand and other brands so I think it's just the area your in is what it depends on
I am a Scag man all the way but I do know that Scag''s deck height is rarely accurate from factory. I wouldn't be surprised if the Scag was actually cutting lower even though the settings were the same. Doesn't matter to me though, I vote Scag all the way!
@@DOCREAL1118 You are absolutely right! I agree with you about a Scag being so much more responsive. Also, I commented too soon. I was still watching the video and Don brought up about the height lol
This comparison not very fair and I have neither mower still a riding tractor guy but simply drop that Toro down a notch or so to cut low as that scag you wont tell difference , that dealer should have said or done that to the Toro. (all the major golf courses seem use Toros in our area I noticed.
Steve, how was it not fair? They were both set on 4? That is how you compare things!! If you compare and an apple to another apple, you don't eat an apple and say well, if you would have eaten a watermelon then the one I like would taste better to you!! Lol, it was plain and simple. It was an absolute good comparison! One mower just outperformed the other!
Your process is flawed and irrelevant. The setting 4 on one mower may not exactly match to the setting 4 on the other. You are commenting on the fact the scag cut more off the grass and that is your proof of a 'better cut'. Then drop the toro to the next lower setting and see how that looks. You can tell that the grass was barely getting tipped on the #4 setting on the toro. Look at the amount of clover flowers left as you said. The clover didnt just happen to grow slower on the toro side than the scag side. It should have been the same height. So it is not going to be a fresh cut quality comparison. I appreciate your effort but will not use your opinions in this decision. (I dont own one of either of these but am looking at them all now)
Your thinking is flawed….who in their right mind wouldn’t check and adjust blade height when you buy a new mower. Obviously Doc didn’t do so on the Toro because he didn’t own it. The dealer should have insured the blade height was accurate in reference to the blade setting indicator.
Thanks for the video.
I agree with RayRayslawncare
I don’t think the Toro and VRide are set the same. Even if the markings are the same on the height adjustment…I don’t think the blade heights are the same.
That doesn’t mean that it would change the cut quality, it would just change the amount of grass that got cut.
Keep keeping it real
Absolutely could but all I can do is just put them both on 4 and let the grass fly 😂 Appreciate it man. Hope you enjoyed the video
Shane (and Don) thanks so much for bringing us along for this comparison. It was cool to see these brands side by side. I’m a Toro guy by default because that’s all I’ve ever run and most companies around me also run Toro’s. That said, I would love the opportunity to run a Scag to see what it’s all about. Have a blessed day! Man I want a taco salad now, Big “H” nailed that recipe. 😂
Lol, I am laughing about the recipe!! I really found nothing wrong with the Toro but just looking at both they have some differences. I am so used to the Scag it's hard for me to find what I am used to in another mower. I would like to see Toro beef up some of the parts. If you ever get a chance to demo a Scag I think you will have some opinions on things you may not like. Keep making money with that Toro and enjoy it! Have a blessed day brother and thank you for the support
@@DOCREAL1118 not much dealer support for Scag around me but it would be neat to demo one. Curious, you mentioned not being a fan of EFI, curious as to why? Thanks again Shane.
@@Mark-zi2og I just don't think they have all the bugs worked out. If the efi messes up I have to take it in, if mine messes up I can fix the carb myself. 👍
@@DOCREAL1118 makes very good sense Shane. Hey man hope you and Sara have a safe happy and blessed 4th of July. God Bless America 🇺🇸
@@Mark-zi2og You and your wife and family as well. God Bless the U.S.A.
New subscriber from Ohio - new lawncare business - going through the process of SCAG vs Toro right now - I like the fact Toro does not have any grease fitting - but the Scag does cut very well.
Nice to meet you David! Thanks for the support man. All I can say is the velocity deck on the Scag is heads above the Toro, especially for the type of grass we have in Ohio. Good luck on your choice, if you have any questions feel free to ask
52" TORO is $12k new, AnitScalp comes on the 60" Decks not the 52". If both mower decks were leveled by the dealer during setup, then the cut height should be exact on the settings say at 3.5 inches. Also, TORO warranty is 5yrs or 1200 hours. Great video comparison. Ohio springs are fun for sure!!
12k, I had no idea they were that high! I agree about cut height if both set up by dealer. Thank you sir and you know they are for sure! Wet and thick!!
Hey Shane. I would go with the Scag vride but you need the 61 inch to go with your 48 inch vride. If you have to get a bigger trailer then get one but in the long run I think you will be much more efficient and have the opportunity to make more money or at least cut down on your time mowing.
I gave quite a bit of thought to the 61, the only problem is I don't have enough big yards to use it on. I will eventually lose a few of my bigger ones due to people selling and moving. The 52 would just be more practical.
You meant well however the only true comparison would be to measure blades to the ground and set the decks Accordingly, the numbers on the side are just numbers. The Toro was higher just by the amount of grass out the chute (or lack there of).
I’m in Cincinnati and can tell you the Toro does extremely well in wet grass, the Scag clumps in wet grass. Scabs are designed to throw and go not manicure the lawns. Scabs as a result of the large chute opening also leave a large amount of grass laying on the surface. I’ve had two Vride 2’s and thought they stripe well because of the rollers on the deck I wasn’t impressed with quality of cut and dispersed grass,, keep bringing the videos ,,
When you compare you make the settings the same all around. You compare a V-6 to a V-6, you don't set the timing different on the cars. Scag is for nicely manicured yards, I know this because I cut them everyday. Sounds like you're a great guy but have bought into the Toro hype to the point you can't see reality when it's right in front of you. I have no dog in the fight, I already own a Scag and I tried a Toro because of my buddy Tony. It just doesn't cut the mustard here in Columbus. Have an awesome night brother!
@@DOCREAL1118 What a lousy response. What he told you to compare is blade height, which would be an equal comparison. You obviously do have a dog in the fight, it is called pride and ego, it didn't allow you to hear the man and you responded with your bias, which is to say closed-mindedly. You gotta have the exact same condtions to compare anything, and if one blade is higher, the test is not equal. That is how all experiments are supposed to work.
@@raheppe I compared 2 mowers, set at #4 on each mower. Not my fault one doesn't cut as good as the other. You may not know, do to lack of watching, but I own a Bad Boy. You don't compare apples to oranges you compare apples to other apples. Not sure what got under your crawl but have a blessed day
Love the Vidoes Doc, but all he was saying was that the scabber isn’t really cutting at 4” inches when you put the setting on 4inch, all the mowers are different, even if you put all of them on 3 inches you wouldn’t necessarily be cutting the same exact height because the mowers aren’t always set up the same way, GCI turf goes through all the stand on mowers and measures deck height and most aren’t even set correctly, therefore you probably weren’t cutting the grass at the same heights
@@DylanHicksOutdoors Appreciate it. I understand what he is saying, This is not lost on me. The point I am trying to make is that these are 2 brand new mowers off the floor. For an out of the box comparison, I put both on their 4 inch setting. Not measuring, just stock 4 inch setting and then mowed with them. One did a better job and one didn't, there were also other things that one had that the other didn't, not just cutting. You don't have time to do in depth studies when you have 10 lawns staring you in the face and it's 11 in the morning and the dealer has to get the mowers back to the shop. I am not a fulltime youtuber, I am a fulltime Lawncare owner. Thanks for the feed back but folks are taking this to a ridiculous extreme.
I’ve used a lot of mowers I use cub pro x I got one with 1100 hours All original bolts very comfortable machine cuts really good 3 year Unlimited warranty
Sounds like you found the one that works for you!!
It looks like the Toro is cutting higher than the Scag if it's set on 4 inches doesn't mean it's 4 my Scag was set on 4 but it was 3.5
Very true but it was a true comparison. 4 on one 4 on the other. Even Steven 👍
Excellent comparison Doc. The V-Ride 2 looks the goods to me. Very robust machine, cuts beautifully & no plastic. Dealer support is "huge" & has saved my bacon. Cheers Mate. 💯🫵💪😎
No doubt on dealer support! Thanks so much brother!! It really is a true machine!
Picking up a new 52 Vride with the 24 Kawasaki carb tomorrow
Awesome brother 👊💯 Congrats
I dont use either brand. They have to adjust the deck to the blade tip height. Just because it says 4" doesn't mean it is. You actually measure from the blade tip to the ground and you can adjust the deck so it matches the settings, fyi.
Yep! That is how it's done.
Doc, check out the bobcats. Bought one earlier this year. Built like a tank. Mows like a champ and stripes better than my Ferris and wright stand ons. Once those get wore out they will be replaced with bobcats.
We don't have a dealer but I have a buddy who owns one and it stripes great! He loves his as well. Congrats on the new mower brother!!
#team bobcat......🫵
I’ve found that striping is directly related to blade choice. I have six different sets of blades for my Scag that I switch out depending on conditions and what results I want.
Even the frame of the vride looks heavier duty than the Toro. Great comparison video! Pricing has a lot to do with what people buy as well if they want to stay within a certain budget. I'm guessing the Toro is less expensive than the vride.
Yes, it is 1k less but to me that is nothing for what you're getting with the Scag. I noticed that when I watched the video. Great eye Amy!!
@@DOCREAL1118 I'm weird that way, I tend to see that kind of thing because I've always had my hands dirty working on cars most of my younger years. Being mechanically inclined, I could care less about pretty. Thank you for your videos! I do enjoy watching them! God bless!
@@Amy_McFarland Good for you!! I watched you build that outdoor shelter, very cool. You're very welcome, so glad you enjoy them
Great review brother!!! So glad you did this video!! Like I commented earlier I would have bought the scag but the dealers around here are awful! I totally agree the scag cuts better but the toro is good just not as good. I will say being able to use the toro as a walk behind on my commercial properties that have really steep hills has been an absolute game changer this season. I’m making more money each month due to this feature without having to drum up new business which is great!! I’m gonna keep the toro in good shape but I’m still gonna strive to buy a scag on the next purchase, just got to find a dealer in NC that offers some type of support. Great video again brother!!
Thank you! In no way am I saying you can't get it done with the Toro because you absolutely can. For my yards, the Scag just gives that little edge to properties and my customers expect it. You will love that Toro for years. If it is a good mower don't be in a hurry to buy anything else. God bless brother!! #TOROPOWER
I run a toro grandstand every day one with the kohler I’ve found if it’s in thick grass it doesn’t miss anything but if the grass is thin it will leave stragglers and I have videos of me mowing absolutely way overgrown grass and it never missed a single blade first pass it’s absolutely insane don’t get me wrong I’m a scag guy through and through all around cut quality and stripe just don’t compete with a scag but was definitely impressed with how it cuts over grown properties
I am sure it does well, I have seen it cut some yards and make them look beautiful. I really did the video to just show a bit of the differences and let folks form their own opinions. Scag is a leader for sure. I really think Toro has overpriced their mowers. All I do is weekly yards so nothing really ever gets overgrown. Thanks for the input and it should help others!
@@DOCREAL1118 I’m mowing a lot of yards in upper Arlington and Hilliard and Grandview area so most of the yards I’m cutting are thick and lush but not as we speak with this drought we are having here in Ohio lol I’m trying to get my partner talked into switching over to scag
@@claybeisser8329 We are mowing similar properties. I do work in Hillard, New Albany and Dublin
Would you ever do a demo with the cub cadet stand on mower?
Probably not, I tried them at the GIE and just not my cup of tea but can never say never
@@DOCREAL1118 herd there were redisingned
@@jaymeyers950 They were and they are a nice mower
My freind EFI is where it's at. I've been running mine for 2.5 years ,6 days a week no problems not to mention its just better theirs a reason all autos are fuel injected for more than 20 years now. Fuel injection is always adjusting the amount of fuel it addsor subtracts always trying to get the best fuel to air ratio ,so when you hit a patch of thicker grass it can add a little fuel keeping the engine steady . I have tiger cat 2 61" efi it's a ripper.
That is very true Sam but I am just not convinced yet of how they will hold up over time. Appreciate the info!
Kawasaki has been making fuel injected motorcycles since 1980 it's not new technology
@@samheninger505 Motorcycles yes, not lawn mower engines. I am an old 2 stroke motocross racer. Love my carbs 👊
Been beating a 60” Dixie Chopper Yanmar Diesel ….hour meter stopped at 8850 hrs years ago and it still to this day fires up and purrs and I use it every day…..wore the deck out and hydro ….replaced them and right back at it like day one ….. buying a v-ride 32” for back yards …..I’ll be running that Dixie for as long as parts are available…..it’s a 2001 and it’s out lasted 2 gassers. So I guess I’m one of the rare ones lol …..paid $13.500 new for it.
That is amazing and so glad she is still running for you!! Wow!! Talk about a beast of a mower. Good luck with the 32" V Ride II. You will really like it, no promise it will last that long but WOW!!!
Scag Man👊🏻
Brother Ron 👊💯🙏
Thank you so much Ron, we love you!
@@ablindtouch728 ❤️❤️❤️
You only need to put one handle down on the toro to engage the blade. The toro also cuts a true to the number scam constantly cuts shorter. 4 year 1500.
This one you had to put both down. They only offer 3 yrs. 1500 here. This mower had to have cut higher, it was on 4 and just barely took anything off.
I'm really going to have to give the Scag Vride 2 a try! Excellent video Witch Docta!
Glad you enjoyed it. I can only say that here where I cut the Scag is just one of a kind.
@@DOCREAL1118 here , we don't worry about stripes, but cut quality is always key. Toro does great here, but my small engine shop is amazing and can work on anything!
@@NewVisionLCS It's all about what works for you on your properties
Nice! What a fantastic comparison. The walking behind thing in the toro is really useful. The US version of the grandstand is different to the English version though. Different deck for a start. The casters are bigger over here, and to my eyes the back wheels are bigger. We have a ‘turbo force” deck which cuts in the wet and recycles grass better. In the 2023 version they’ve also moved the gas tank and there’s now a battery box. I wonder why you guys get a different version of the machine? ✊🙏💪
This was a turbo force deck. Not sure why we get different versions, maybe you guys are the test pilots. 🤣 I did my best to compare down to every detail 👊🇺🇸🙏💪🇬🇧
@@DOCREAL1118 ah okay, just looks different. It was a great comparison video buddy. Yep, we’re crash test dummies alright 🤣 Enjoy your weekend 🙏
@@matthewmiller9575 🤣 Have a great weekend brother 👊🙏
Im definitely with you on the Scag! Both great mowers . I cut quite a bit of wet grass , an like the scag cut quality. Ride and all around just the set up an machine better ! Thank you Doc !!
Hey brother! Great to see you. I agree but Toro has a very nice ride. SCAG is the way to go for me
Scag's deck is better & cuts Like a champ
That's how I feel after trying them both
Agreed…Scag owner
Great video. I enjoy the long videos. 👍
Thanks brother 💪💯 Glad you enjoyed it
Great video. And yes dealer support is everything!
Thanks buddy. Great to see you man! It certainly is man
To be fair the Toro should have followed a Scag one pass mow. I've found with every mower the second pass always cleans up a first pass, no matter if the first pass looks clean and perfect. Then I have to second cut all the stripes.
I could have done that but there was nothing left to cut once I used the Scag, it really wasn't too hard to see that the Scag just cut better but point taken
Hey man,
Like your videos. I know people will laugh but I went from scag to the cub stander 54”. Haven’t regretted the change. Very comfortable and cuts just as good as my cheetah did. 👌👍
Nothing wrong with that at all. Who would laugh at a man saving money. You do your thing and let them be upset as they make that big payment!! Thanks so much
People that would laugh at that haven’t tried the Cub Pro series. A lot on trailers in my area including mine. Very good mowers , hold up great. Good vid Doc. I prefer Scag over Toro or exmark as well .
@@WSG23 I agree, Cub cadet has stepped it up quite a bit in the last several years
Great comparison Shane. One thing though the Toro handles only one has to be down to engage the blades. But those handles are the safety because they can’t put it in the platform because of the platform folding up. Scag looks like a beast side by side to the toro. Wonder if scag is good on hills? That’s the game changer for me. Must be able to stick to a hill. 💪🏼💯
I couldn't get the blades on with one handle down. No clue what's with that. Johnny mow said the same thing. Big Moe has the 52 V ride and he has hills, I have some hills and it holds well. Not a 90 degree hill but some hills. The SCAG is such a beefy mower. I do like the ride of the Toro. Glad you enjoyed it. Had fun doing it
@@DOCREAL1118 yea the scag tires look huge which is good on hills. Your pad looked different than mine also. Maybe that was an older model either way scag cut did look cleaner for sure.
@@TheLawnFellas Toro is a good mower but on my lawns Scag just does a bit better.
Awesome video guys and great comparison like Don said each company's equipment cuts at different heights even if they are set the same. I've ran Scag, Gravley, toro, and Exmark all at different heights. God Bless You and Mrs Sarah Brother.
God bless you brother! Thanks so much and Happy 4th.
@@DOCREAL1118 Happy 4th brother!!!! And Mrs BossLady! God Bless
😂 YOU ARE A TRIP😂
But damn it Doc
Youzz making me hungry 😂
You're always hungry 😂😂🙏
Nice job with the comparison, how’s the Canada smoke your way?
Thanks brother! It's horrible here! I can't smell it but it's foggy as all get out.
Maybe I missed you saying so, but what don’t you like about EFI?
I have seen friends have major problems with them and they are too new for my liking.
@@DOCREAL1118 Gottcha, from my experiences I've had good results and my buddies in the industry have actually converted to efi.
Great video, a lot of guys I know swear by the grandstands/multiforce. My area is mostly Scag, Exmark and Toro, but I have started to see a couple other guys running John Deere. I was a little surprised that the Toro didn't have anti scalp wheels. I run John Deere so I don't have a dog in the fight, but if I had to choose I would pick the Scag.
Have a great night!
Someone else mentioned the anti scalp wheels as well. Nothing wrong with Toro at all but just doesn't give the quality of cut I am looking for like Scag gives. Thanks brother! Have a great Friday
Doc I’m with you definitely V-Ride is a better cutting mower! Both great machines V-Ride for the win! Thanks for you comparing the two! 👊💪
Yes sir, it was fun. I like the ride on the Toro but the V ride is a beast. I would take the Exmark over the Toro anyday
did he order the scag?
@@bobbysutphen6047 Did who order the SCAG? Sorry, don't understand
You mentioned and showed that the toro didn’t cut well, I think the deck wasn’t set exactly the same height as the Vride, like Jack was saying
Just saying
My opinions from chucky n my trucky, I have found it that most dealers do not adjust the mower decks as they should!
Yet the SCAG cut just fine. Seems everyone is making some excuses for Toro 🤣🤣😜
@@DOCREAL1118 🥴
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@@eddieh6429 Love ya BIG H
@@DOCREAL1118 👊🏼❤️🙏🏼
Both are quality, I use a gravely though.
I think for me the better mower was obvious but we all have our preferences. Thanks for watching Sean!
The deck height is different from a scag to a toro. If my scah is on 3.5 then my toro/Exmark is on 3.25
Hey boss! That could be true, I just set them both on 4 and rolled with it. Toro just didn't seem to cut as well. Wanted to keep the test even steven!
Everyone seems to hate on SCAG but they are good.
Ive got a 48 inch SCAG walk behind with a homemade sulky and its great. It does have a nice cut.
I think they have the best cut, most people can't afford them or don't have a dealer so they don't buy them.
Hey, Doc! Good video, Brother. When you had the side by side comparison of the two mowers, I though it was a joke. Toro is a tried and true product, but to compare it to a mower with the same size deck, it seemed like they threw a bigger deck on a mower that could barely handle it. Not sure I'm saying that correctly, but it didn't seem to me like Toro doesn't have a mower for that comparison. Randall noticed the same thing I did. There are no anti scalp wheels! For me, in my washboard, crater laiden yard, I rely on those wheels, A LOT! Now, I'm not saying if someone dropped off a Toro in my yard and said, "it's all yours," I wouldn't use the hell out of it. I'm saying a good Scag is always better. Of course I've only had Scags with two legs, not four wheels, so I guess my comparisons are moot. 🤣 Hope you and your beautiful bride have an awesome day. Keep it REAL! TRUTH! God bless.
Hi, Sarah!!
I agree, it was a big difference. One looked a bit undersized the other looked solid and well thought out. Just my opinion 🙏👍
The scags look like they do good with those grass types that are up there but down here in the south where we have zoysia and Bermuda and cut it 2.5 inches and below you cant beat the tight baffles of a toro or exmark deck
I can see that for sure. I have said before, all mowers don't work on all grass. I agree with you on the southern grass for sure.
ive seen comparisons before and used the toro a few times when i had to rent one when my grasshopper was down, i know my grasshopper makes a better cut then the toro i rented, but im ether going to buy a Scag or Wright next
Grasshopper is an absolute fabulous mower! I wish I had a dealer around for one. I would definitely take the SCAG but I am a bit spoiled by them 👍
@DOCREAL1118 I bought this 218 used 2 yrs ago, now I'm only mowing 2 days a wk around 30 lawns but I'm leaning towards growing it, I manage 3 small businesses, DJing for around 17 yrs now plus building the lawn care and then I also side hustle E-WASTE. So I run into Ohio to sell that off several times a yr.
@@MrTomb1976 Man, you are a hustler!! Love it. I could never be a DJ, you guys have talent! God bless brother
Great comparison video Doc!
Thanks brother 💪💯🇺🇸
Good video for a flat lawn comparison. Take them to the hills and you wont have much good to say about the Horo. Scag warranty is 3 yr or 500 hrs. For a little less than $600, you can get the extended 5 yr total unlimited hr warranty. No brainer for me! I've been demoing stand ons all spring and the Toro is the worst out of the 7 I've tried. Like you said, the cut is horrible, especially on my hilly terrain. And with the platform behind the wheels, all it does is wheelie. So good luck double cutting. Wheel and pump motor (Scag) versus transaxle (Toro) there is no comparison. I'm also in the Ohio area and the price for V-Ride 2 was $9600 before tax.
Thanks brother! I just found the Toro to be a second rate mower all around. I got a lot of heat for the video but I did apples to apples comparison. My warranty on my Scag was 2 yrs. unlimited hours. They must have changed it.
Nice comparison, I definitely have a stander in mind for next year ✂️💯
Thanks brother! That short you did about the old mower was amazing and so true! Can't wait to see what you get!
Doc - the Scag looks like a tank next to the Toro. PEACE ✌
I thought the same thing brother! God bless!
Go with scag it better 👍👍👍👊
That is what I am buying, it was in the video brother!
had a 2011 toro grandstand. traded it for a 2016 vride. no regrets.
Sounds like a smart move. Glad your happy with it. What size?
It’s just what ever you start with 95% of the time
There just mowers and that’s about it, yet deck and engine is what counts
Agree with the 95% rule and the deck and engine. Thanks Phillip
I’m in between the scag and a wright zk
For me alone it's Scag all day just because it cuts fescue so well.
@@DOCREAL1118 thanks for your feedback
@@jimmyf1312 No problem bud
I’ve always liked Toro, just saying 🤷🏻♂️😂
You can have it all you want 👍🙏
The Big H taco huh? Any grapefruit in there?
@@luciano-km7mq 😂 maybe 1-2😂
@@luciano-km7mq Just pineapple
@@DOCREAL1118
No pineapple pizza please 😝
I haven't watched the video yet but already know the Scag will take this one. I went through demos on Scag, Toro, and Exmark, last year and the Scag wins hands down in my area(Ohio).
You are correct. Most people don't understand the type of yards we have in Ohio or the conditions.
Agreed, sine OEM bought Toro, Exmark, etc. the quality has definitely fallen off. Ohio here too near the Youngstown area.
@@greenidguy9292 How is the weather in Youngstown? Great to see another Ohioan 👊
@@DOCREAL1118 Similar to yours...maybe a little cooler due to being northeast and lake Erie being so close.
so if you just lower the toro by 1 setting itll do what the scag did.
I just compared 4" to 4" You may be right but there was so much more to the Scag that the Toro didn't have. Everyone is just focusing on one thing
At least the guy in orange set you straight on cut height. He said the scag cuts lower on the same setting. Not an accurate test imho
4 inches compared to 4 inches is all one can go by. True test and don't see it any other way
set the blade differant depth
What I was trying to do is compare as close as I could. So I set them both at 4. We all know the deck heights don't come set perfectly but I wanted a true comparison 👍
Big H Carnivore Taco Tuesdays!
Lol!! Every week Big H will have a new menu item
Toro grandstand the best.
Ok
Think with toro your paying for the name and we're you live also herd the grandstand more expensive in some areas like my area is cub cadet,troy built, Husqvarna,bad boy myself have cub cadet Ultima z1 zero turn mower 42 inch
Could be. I have a friend that loves his cub cadet, really is just personal choice. I would not own a Toro personally but that is just my opinion. We all have them
He told you the scag cuts shorter at the same setting. Watch your video. And I don't see it any other way.
I put both mowers on 4 inches. You compare apples to apples not apples to oranges. They were both at 4 inches, one mower cut better than the other. PERIOD!! I don't give a care in this world what one commenter says about the difference in height
If you dont plan on keeping forever I say consider the efi. Money saved on fuel. All cars are efi now days so its just the new way. Ive pur 1100hrs on my efis with no issues
I can get about 22 yards on a tank. Seems ok to me
That's my efi motor :) ft730v ❤ I can walk my bobcat too my platform folds up :)
There you go brother! It had some power for sure 👊
@@DOCREAL1118I'm really happy with it 111 hours so far
@@E.L.C.Awesome
Good job 👍 but you didn’t look right on the toro . Scag did look better .tell Sarah hi for us . See you Sunday , don’t forget the chute .
Thanks brother! I felt good on the Toro but just didn't cut well. The Scag is just a better built piece of equipment. Not bashing Toro but just not for me. I won't forget and we will certainly be there!! God bless
Idk man iam leaning more towards scag now I like my toro super recycler that thing is a beast of a mower it’s wonderful just a push mower guy lol
The Toro super recycler is an awesome mower. That's what I own. 👊💯
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👊🙏 Thanks brother
You both had them on 4 but as you know not all mowers are the same height. So toro 4 could be 4.1 and scag could be 3.9. If u lower the deck it would cut better. Like don said not all mowers same height. Just like if you raised the deck on the scag it wouldn’t cut as good
That is why I put them both on 4, I didn't want to compare 4 to 3.75 I think manufacturing should fix that issue for all mowers 👍
I agree it should come from the factory set right that’s why I won’t take the mower from the dealer until they adjust the deck. If I have the deck height on 3” the blades better be 3” off the ground. But I’m a scag fan all the way love the cut.
@@lmqualitylawncare8148 Agreed!!
Somehow I knew what the outcome was going to be before I watched the video.....
I know this is an old post but blue chip farms mow 8 hours a day 5 days a week big exmark with a Kawasaki 7200 hours never had an engine or a hydro problem before the hydros blew out I have two grandstands identical mowers same year identical motors one started puffing smoke at 2200 hours the other one still has not at 3100 hours it's the luck of the draw
2200 hours is still good. I think you have had good luck with the exmark. I simply think the Scag is just a much more well built machine overall
@@DOCREAL1118I agree with you 100% both of my grandstands got replaced by V-Rides I picked up more accounts with hills and the grandstand front end comes up way too easy
@@DOCREAL1118 and I know a lot of people probably will not agree but both of my scags have the Kohler EFIs on them just like the grandstand did
@@jonhenry4842 I am not a fan of Kohler but if they work for you that's really all that matters. No one pays your bills but you so we all can kick rocks, lol
I gotta say doc you did a fantastic job on the review and you kept it honest with us I think the scag cuts really well to I'm just not seeing alot of companies using scag much anymore there using the toro grandstand and other brands so I think it's just the area your in is what it depends on
Thank you. I also think it's the discount and the warranty. Toro has to have a long warranty to sell in my opinion 👊💯
Sky's looking little smokey in Ohio
It was a mess today brother
I am a Scag man all the way but I do know that Scag''s deck height is rarely accurate from factory. I wouldn't be surprised if the Scag was actually cutting lower even though the settings were the same. Doesn't matter to me though, I vote Scag all the way!
I have no doubt they may all be off, every mower out there is probably off a bit. It's not just about Scag, I just couldn't get into the Toro
@@DOCREAL1118 You are absolutely right! I agree with you about a Scag being so much more responsive. Also, I commented too soon. I was still watching the video and Don brought up about the height lol
@@jonathanscott4010 Lol. The response is amazing on the Scag
That is why you always check and adjust a new mower. Dealer “prep” is usually lacking.
This comparison not very fair and I have neither mower still a riding tractor guy but simply drop that Toro down a notch or so to cut low as that scag you wont tell difference , that dealer should have said or done that to the Toro. (all the major golf courses seem use Toros in our area I noticed.
Steve, how was it not fair? They were both set on 4? That is how you compare things!! If you compare and an apple to another apple, you don't eat an apple and say well, if you would have eaten a watermelon then the one I like would taste better to you!! Lol, it was plain and simple. It was an absolute good comparison! One mower just outperformed the other!
I got the Ferris's, I looked at all of them, Scag was my second pick but the Ferris dealer made my mind up
Nothing wrong with the Ferris for sure. Very nice mower.
What sold you on Ferris? Btw, damn nice machine.
@@greenidguy9292 The ride dealer was 15 minutes from my house and he is great, been running them for three years and not a single problem
Ferris dealer
*promo sm*
Not sure what that means
deere
Scag
Your process is flawed and irrelevant. The setting 4 on one mower may not exactly match to the setting 4 on the other. You are commenting on the fact the scag cut more off the grass and that is your proof of a 'better cut'. Then drop the toro to the next lower setting and see how that looks. You can tell that the grass was barely getting tipped on the #4 setting on the toro. Look at the amount of clover flowers left as you said. The clover didnt just happen to grow slower on the toro side than the scag side. It should have been the same height. So it is not going to be a fresh cut quality comparison.
I appreciate your effort but will not use your opinions in this decision. (I dont own one of either of these but am looking at them all now)
Thanks for the comment. You have your opinion and time may change your mind! God bless
Your thinking is flawed….who in their right mind wouldn’t check and adjust blade height when you buy a new mower. Obviously Doc didn’t do so on the Toro because he didn’t own it. The dealer should have insured the blade height was accurate in reference to the blade setting indicator.
Skeg is better
Than a Toro for sure!!
Lost me when you said bad boy is a good mower 😅
Lol, we shall see next yr.
You will never need to walk it That is 👎🏿👎🏿👎🏿 A poor excuse
I will never own one so no matter what I will be riding, Lol
I wouldn’t call it a poor excuse unless you’ve seen the property. Anything that speeds you up, saves time and money isn’t a excuse…it’s a reason.
@@travismorrison904 Very true, I think I read his comment wrong. I think the walk behind feature was awesome
It’s ALL IN THE DECK 🥸 No brand I’ve used in 30 years…. CUTS GRASS like my TURF TIGER 2 💪
That toro didn’t even have scalp wheels on that deck 😒😒😒
Absolutely right and you can't beat the velocity deck. Very true, it had some good points but the SCAG has it all. 👊💯💪
@@DOCREAL1118 Great video Doc!!
@@elitelandscapeslifestories Thanks Brother
Somehow I knew what the outcome was going to be before I watched the video.....
Not sure how to take that John, Lol. I think most did though.