SO Many Cichlids DIED - Do not do this! - how to correct it
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SO Many Cichlids DIED - Do not do this! - how to correct it. This video goes over what happened in the setup process and what caused so many fish to die.
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Hi My name is Jay Wilson and I am an avid African cichlid keeper and owner of NorthFinUSA. I love Keeping Fish and educating folks on how to keep a crystal clear aquariums along with helping Fishkeepers get started in the fish hobby. When I am not messing with Cichlids I am playing with my son and spending time with family. I currently keep Shell Dwellers a community Tang tank, African cichlid Predator Haps, Peacocks along with Tropheus and Goby. My dream tank would be a massive lake Tanganyika community tank that I am working on currently. Follow me on my fish keeping journey and do not forget to follow me on Instagram!
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This was a combo of problems not just one. Ty for being humble enough to share this experience. Even the best make mistakes and Jay Wilson your one of the best.
This happened to me before. Being that my tank had been establish for over a year and no new added fish i decided to do a water change. 2 to 3 days later tank was still cloudy. So decided to take out all my rock work out of my 125 gallon tank thinking there must be lots of poop under rocks. And that's when I found the dead fish. But you know that's one of the great things about this hobby, We are always learning.
Looks like I may have to go on a search and rescue mission as well. My 125 cichlid tank has gotten cloudy and nothing is working. Time to move all the furniture and look for cadavers....
Patience is so key in this hobby. Lots of problems will be avoided and corrected by just being patient. Thanks Jay
My understanding about Methylene Blue is that you use it not in the actual aquarium, but in a separate container doing a fish bath. I was told that Methylene Blue is a good product, but should not be used in the actual aquarium because it can destroy beneficial bacteria.
Meth blue promotes oxygen not destruction of bacteria but many meds do effect bacteria
Tanks looks brilliant jay!🐟🔥 thanks for sharing your experience with us
Tank looks awesome as always. Sorry for all the troubles, I certainly know how frustrating it can be
Adam C dude seriously!
That sucks im sorry but i appreciate you showing the struggles in hobby
I have a question for you i setup a new fx4 the lid fastener by the out keeps leaking i emailed fluval they emailed one time said check gasket and oring and tighten it down again so i did and still leaking but they havent responded do you have any suggestions
Brother, you had adventure . This is a great teaching moment for you and every more for us all. Thank for be transparent about this....
Thanks for sharing your experience
Great video Jay
Some great advice Jay!!! I have put myself through a similar situation also.. side note tank looking spectacular!!! 👀👀👏👏👏
Thank you
My tank has been set up about 3 months everything been good. I got new fish and add them. But one my original fish. Started acting skittish. Stayed at the bottom when I would be able to stay under the other fish 2 weeks later it died after a water change. Well I got another fish doing the same thing there mbuna do you think it’s stress. There about 2 inches big
Thanks for the tips Jay. Stunning tank.
Bonus!!! 😂😂😂 good video
I’ve learned after so many years to not panic with ich! I raise the temp to about 82-85 degrees F and add a tablespoon of kosher salt (Morton is great - not necessary to purchase “aquarium salt”) per 5 gallons and do 20 percent water changes every 2 days. Replace the salt per the amount you’ve taken out until you see the ich start to diminish. Continue regular tank maintenance as normal after to gradually remove the salt. The key is, do not panic and add a bunch of chemicals to your tank. This is not necessary and in my opinion, they do more harm with stress/dying everything blue than good.
In closing, I’ve learned that the more I did with chemical products in panic, the worst things got. Calm down and keep it simple.
I loved watching the fish swim backwards!😄 I'm sorry you lost so many fish. We all make mistakes as I just did the same thing and it cost me my beloved puffers.😢 Quarantine always is the message I got from you and my own mistakes. Thank you.💕🐡💕
"Trust The Process-Not The Source." I am wood burning this on to a fishy sign for the wall of the room where quarantine and grow out tanks are. Some of the lessons we learn in this hobby are so personally painful.
Man, sorry to hear. I went through the same thing a couple of years ago and lost every fish but 1. Come to think of it the only thing I didn't try was Maracyn. I posted a bunch of videos on my TH-cam when I was going through it. Your tank is looking good now. Hopefully it's all done.
Jay, thank you for your transparency
Only way I know how to be
so i have a 1000 gallon heated pond that i keep mainly south american cichlids. i’ve had it for years and have had no issues at all. I add new fish from time to time but never any problems. i am outside all the time with those fish and i pay close attention to what goes on. well strangely enough, last week i noticed a few dead firemouths.. at first i thought it was maybe a fight but by the end of the day i had lost easily 20 firemouths of all different sizes. i was devastated! the weird part is that no other species died, just the FM. i still have a few big adults left thankfully. i tested the water and the nitrates with pretty high, so i dosed the water with good bacteria and was able to get the nitrates lower.. no water changes though bc everything i’ve read says that can be harmful to well established ponds.. and it’s huge. i’ve never changed the water and the water parameters are always better than my inside tanks. but the whole scenario confuses me because every time I have ever tested the water the nitrates and nitrites were always at 0. i don’t understand why one would randomly get so high in a very old and stable eco system. and I also don’t understand why it didn’t affect any of the other fish. Like the electric blue jack Dempsey‘s. Or the angel fish. in my experience they are incredibly sensitive to nitrates and nitrites. why would ONLY the FMs die? i easily lost 20 that night and since then i’ve been adding chemicals the nitrates have slowly been reducing. this is the first time I’ve had to add any chemicals other than prime when I add water due to evaporation. everyone else seems fine. what happened?
South and central american cichlids are very hardy unlike african cichlids. Africans are more sensitive.
All good information. your fish are showing some great colors.
Great information Jay. We all get the over excited feeling when we get new fish and the reaction is to put them in our display tanks as soon as we get them. But you are 100% correct, trust the process. These fish are prone to disease and precautions need to be taken to protect your investment. Yes these fish are a huge investment especially in big tanks. It’s easy to compile a few thousand dollars in fish in big tanks and one moment of impatience can kill everything you have worked so hard to achieve. Keep the videos coming buddy.
Sorry for your loss Jay Wilson, you’re a man who knows your stuff. Sometimes it’s better to stick to your checklist, case in point. My bro is a strong 2nd opinion when I diagnose a problem in my tank. Football has become weaksauce in comparison to my Cichlids. lol
Jay. What light do you have on this tank again?
Great advice. Sorry you lost so many fish.
I was wondering if you can help me . I fostered my Peacock Cichlid and the last owner only changed alittle of the water didnt clean it, he thought he was doing the right thing. I have put him into a new talent, took me 14 weeks to get the water balance right. Now he has lost his balance . I am very concerned. Any advice ? thank you
not much you can. Reduce stress and hope for the best. Try not to feed. Good luck bud Expect the worst.
I have 6 tanks no fish loss from time I started doing water transplants. My main tank is 1yr and I have taken gravel and water from this tank everytime to start and cycle my other tanks. This has eradicated need for almost all products except slime coat. Fx 4 on big tanks. Also 55gal tank has about 9 females produced roughly 40 fry. Only deaths thru fights but no ich and no disease for months. Water changes 2x weekly feedings every other day because im grossly overstocked with about 22 adults 5 to 6 inches 17 teens 3 ins and all those fry. But the tall trees break the fights most of times. I had 1 electric blue fish die of an eye tumor though. I do medicate with general cure and fungus cure on occasion just for maintenance and I fill tanks with purified alkaline water from my kitchen. My husband says that its the water quality because the fish are very healthy for being so overstocked coats bright and clean and Ive used no added water conditioners for the whole time
The water column carries ZERO BENEFICIAL BACTERIA lol
Jay, the cloudiness is normal when setting a new tank up...it's happened to me everytime setting up a tank..I usually leave it alone and it goes away after a day or two..if you want it gone and crystal clear water the Marineland Magnum micron internal filter can do it...your water becomes crystal clear very quickly.
Good lesson learned. Love the catfish, is it a synodontis?
Not sure I believe so.
My 4 African chiclid died.i learn most thing with African chiclid is temperature.these fish need 26 27°Celsius above and it's hard to maintain 12 months because here in my place Nepal temperature down to 8°Celsius during winter and they die.they are ok in summer but in winter its died
Y don't u buy a aquarium heater !!?
It just costs Rs. 200 to 300
Sorry to hear bout the loss .I believe you should have treated and quarantined all your fish from the beginning .
Get you some API triple Sulfa I had a serious outbreak of that and was suggested to use it asap I did a followed instructions, I did the same thing thinking it was ich,but it cleared up and I save all the rest of my fish after loosing 4
I used Maracyn and it worked for colminaris. I didn’t think I had ich I know I had ich so I treated with meth blue and salt first.
Jay that nigriventer is a stunner, where did you get him?
i still dont understand when you said "grate was off behind the background" . How was the big fish sucked up by filter intake unless you did not use strainer on intake pipe
The grate aka strainer was off because it was behind the background in a very narrow cavity
@@Jaywil07 ohh make sense......
Lmao he was trying to escape nemo style. 😂
All jokes aside sorry for your loss of fish and thank you for uploaded and passing on the knowledge.
Sorry for the loss .but a great leason and info .i recently moved to cali and had to leave all of tanks behind in ny .i thought im gonna take a time out but guess what i already brought 125g aquarium gonna set it up this week and let it cycle .i will use actived carbon .
Hahahahaha my man... CALI THOugh ?
@@Jaywil07 .yes California i have trucking business up there almost 2 years now .just got through the house now time for some ponds also like IFG lol
The struggle is real
Hey J! What’s the PH level u keep in your tanks for your cichlids?
hv8019 7.8-8.0
Thanks for answering, I’m not that far off with the PH levels on my tank. Plus my cichlids look healthy and that’s the main thing in my opinion.
how did the fish get sucked into the fx4 filter.
The grate was off behind the background
I took some time away from the hobby due to illness.. Now I am strong enough to start again... But I am on the verge of giving up.. Tank is fully cycled.. Tested my water and the levels are great.. Temp fine.. Not overfeeding.. But my cichlids keep passing away and I can't work out why... Everything looks great.. Tried blue but I put it in a small hospital tank... To not affect the big tank.. Maybe I should just go with orandas again as I don't understand what is wrong.. The other fish are perfectly fine.. I lost 6
Howd it turn out?
I don't understand, was it the fish in the filter that caused all the problems?
Going through this right now with peacocks. Original stock was fine till I added 6 more to the 9 I already had. Trusted my lfs. All my fish came from some place, with no issues (stupid judgement I know.
I’m sorry
I put in 30 cichlids and at the moment, over three days, 5 have died on me. My water is perfect other than 5ppm nitrates and .25 ammonia. I've dosed the water with Prime. I hope a water change will help.
welp. Make that 6.
Maybe they got into fights! If your water is good but fish is dying, then you have little to no oxygen or your fish is fighting.
Cichlids are very hardy and can survive quite a bit, except for quick set-ups and over-stocking that you see in most of these TH-cam newbies display tanks. Your tank looks nice but it doesn't have enough hiding places.
HermannTheGreat yeah sad part is it wasn’t quick or over stocked. Not all Cichlids need to hide in caves
This really seems like a long advertisement for me on what could have been prevented in the first place. Adding 100 chemicals is not professional. Attack one issue at a time! My personal take and experience.
I did attack one issue at a time and this was over a 2 week period. I don’t need to advertise. I simply showed you what I used from the company I work for.
Agree with fancy tail. This approach was scattered with too many chemicals, so it’s hard to say what worked.
I have 50 cichlids and I have one type of cichlids that keep dying and cannot figure out why!? It’s the albino cichlids every time I buy them they die but none of my other cichlids???
Weak fish usually have problems seeing and getting to food = weakest link
Jay . How many peacocks can I put in a 75. I have heard a bunch of different answers. Please help.
john hayes no more than 15-18 depending on size
@@Jaywil07 Thank you.
Bonus...lol...I had this happen..one Blue Neon took out many of my shows.. now they all get a month in the qt.before the tank.i lost large as well..ich is deadly
How in the hell did he get in the fx4??🤔
You need a TON of bacteria in your filter to handle the cloudiness in Cichlid tanks. You don’t need anything else just a proper 2-3 months cycled filter. Best to have two so that when you clean one the other is still running for at least 2 months to properly filtrate the water. I also had a lot of cloudiness but after two months the water was crystal clear. Even if the feeding session left the water very cloudy. Next morning it would be crystal clear. No additives. Just a very well cycled filter
Jay, nature knows best! I use only limestone rocks and aragonite substrate for my Africans to create a basis for a very stable environment. I get the careful treatment after much research/diagnosis but slow down and stop dumping stuff in your tank. It will clear. As they say in the hobby, only bad things happen quickly.
The substrate has nothing to do with the cycle. It was the phosphates. As far as the main issue it was not getting the fish to Qt and rushing them to the tank in excitement.
This is my dream tank.😍
My aquarium was infested with columnaris bacteria, i lost a lot of fish. Increasing temperature will increase columnaris. Eventually i used sea salt and melatfix. I dont think melafix worked much, but the salt did.
I am sorry for your loss. Quarantine is the key; if you are going to stock a very large tank where the fishes will be difficult to catch post-introduction, then isolating them in a smaller tank for 14 days minimum is important. Prophylactic treatment can be easily carried out. Some observations: Salt will not cure white spot. Methylene blue will treat ws but being a bactericide will also knock out your filter bacteria and kill your plants. Malachite green is better and so is acriflavine but the latter will also affect nitrifying bacteria and plants. All the more reason to carry out these treatments in a bare Q-tank. Activated charcoal does not remove INorganic salts, it has a great affinity for low molecular weight organics. Inorganic salts are best removed by water changes or, if you prefer to throw money at a problem, pass the water through a de-ionising resin. The cloudiness was caused by bacteria which are not removed by ordinary filtration. Putting in Chemi-pure blue would also have no effect on cloudiness caused by bacterial decomposition, and it has a similar effect to activated charcoal but via a different means. I fail to understand your confusion of columnaris disease with WS; the signs of each are quite different, however, treating with M2 was the right thing to do for Flexibacter. I feel you let your impatience get the better of you over some common sense, and that things would have worked out OK if you had followed 'the procedure'. All good things come to those who wait.
Just echoing some of the comments...Thx for sharing. Tough to learn these lessons on our own - you have provided me with some simple but great tips. Most important is not to sit on you A$$ and wait for things to get better on their own!
Out of curiosity...LOL how did that fish ended up going into that tube of that FX4 Canister Filter?...
Rely Flores grate was off behind the background so it could fit he must have been back there a while and thought he had been gone
You need Furan-2 or Kanamycin for columnaris.
Glad to see that you resolved the issues with your tank. One must ask...how did that fish end up in the FX4 and how long was it there? Trust the process and not the source! Great video Jay.
Not sure how long the strainer was off as it was in a narrow space behind the background - fish was thought to have been gone from the big Bucco
GOODSTUFF
I agree... Never play this music to your fish...……. THEY WILL DIE!
Lol
Jay your fish are a little screwy. They swim backwards for for a minute or so. ;-) Thanks for sharing the mistakes, we can all learn from them.
Nice talk.
Good job
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Alright
How did a fish get in fx ?
Jays African Cichlids behind the background and got sucked up. As the grate did not fit so it was off. That fish was thought to have Been killed by other fish.
Jay Wilson bummer !!!
Love the way you do your ..... Activated carbon is stooopid voice ... makes me laugh buddy
Hanworth Homebrew yeah lol thank you. It doesn’t help cycle at all but it is pretty good stuff if you need it.
don't feel bad happens to the best of us. your tank is absolutely gorgeous one of the nicest I have ever saw.
Swimming Dead
Nice subliminal marketing work.
Too many commercials for an 11 minute video!!!
Haven’t gotten ONE commercial LOL ! Complainers . The video is free so be happy boy