Meeting a Diagnosed Sociopath in VRChat
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A person diagnosed with clinical sociopathy describes his life experiences in #vrchat.
Dude was getting bullied into a mental breakdown but HE has to take empathy training
Right?! Like absolutely speechless...
@@onlywithbuts1781 he’s not a sociopath. He cried when talking about how he wanted to kill them. That could be fake, but if he’s already mentioned that he’s a sociopath, why would it be? This kid has anger issues from being bullied beyond what one person can handle. I would’ve probably done the same.
The bullies should be the one to take empathy training not him....this is completely ruthless and full of injustice :(
Fr you are less likely to bullied when not acting strange and going with the flow not being defensive
He's no sociopath. He's a human being.
“People try to say suicide is the most cowardly act a man could ever commit. I don't think that's true at all. What's cowardly is treating a man so badly that he wants to commit suicide.”
― Tommy Tran
Such true quote and a sad one...
To quote the goat 50 Cent:
"Death gotta be easy cause life is hard. It'll leave physically, mentally and emotionally scarred
It’s called natural selection
what a crazy quote. like why be a fvcking shitthead when you can help someone out with positivity.. like is it really that fvcking hard?
I remember seeing interviews of sociopaths before but I've never seen an interview with someone so self-aware of how destructive sociopathic tendencies can be.
yeah, this is a legitimately good human being who fights against the things he knows his brain does wrong.
I think the ones that get interviewed tend the be the people who are obvious. There's a large number that learn how to fake being normal, often so well that they forget sometimes that they aren't.
Hell, the only reason I don't do all the destructive shit is because I have a long enough view of things to know that the trash fire I create will be a ton of effort to put out, and I've somehow still failed to find people I can delegate that to.
@@monty58 yeah I remember one of the interviews I saw was of this woman who was a lawyer and had completely destroyed people's lives in an attempt to get her way sometimes. During the interview she was so indifferent in how she spoke about her past as though nothing she had ever done mattered. It was scary to be honest.
ASPD is really a spectrum. Folks with it are overrepresented in corrections and crime, but also in high-powered careers. There's also MANY who just live average lives.
A friend of mine has ASPD. They are really up-front about it - they want you to know off the bat that they are a diagnosed sociopath with narcissistic personality disorder subsequent to abuse in childhood, so that if they ever get manipulative you know to call them out (have not ever had to). However, My experience has been that when they have a narc collapse or other psychotic episode, they only ever isolate and become a danger to themselves.
Their NPD actually manifests as a need for others to see them as a good person. While they don't have empathy, you wouldn't know unless you were told, because their need to be seen as nice means that they are. At a certain point, emulated empathy and real empathy are basically the same.
Tbh it's hard to imagine he even is sociopathic at all.. If you had to go through such madness every day of your life, without zero support.. you'd go mad as well. There's something wrong with the other kids for even finding this amusing and going beyond just name calling. They're the issue here and should be looked over instead of this kid, he just needs help and backup. You can be understanding of others, but if you're being treated like this all the time, you don't need to show any goddamn empathy towards those guys. They're the ones who need to understand what empathy and normal behavior is.
the pet being the only thing keeping him going really struck a cord with me as well the way he described sociopathy as ruthless efficiency
The only thing i felt like that keep me from
running away from home
was our family cat...
@@beati.bellicosi09 Cat supremecy
The only reason I didn’t k!ll myself was cause of my dog I was the only one who cared for him I am so glad I didn’t I know am okay and have help
Its not really ruthless efficiency, I'd describe it as, moreso if people didn't exist, you are the only person on earth, and everybody else is a mannequin, a sentient mannequin. You don't care about them. They are completely worthless to you. You can do whatever you want with them. I suppose in malicious circumstances, like isolating exes socially, or spreading rumours about people you don't like, then yes, you could be ruthlessly efficient, or whatever it was. But usually you just act the way you would if you were interacting with mannequins.
bro the title of the vid says that he is diagnosed
I was bullied relentlessly throughout my youth and to an extent, my adult years. I fully understand what this guy was feeling. He's not a sociopath, this anger didn't come from nowhere, he didn't snap for NO REASON.
Yes but we dont wanna acknowledge these problems so its easuer to blame it on mental illnesses
I don’t believe there’s anybody out there that would snap for no reason, even psychopaths devolve due to a lack of guidance or outright abuse. We are all human, we all can and will learn if given the opportunity at a young age.
Umm… but he is a sociopath. He’s diagnosed. Denying that he isn’t one is just kind of stereotyping it like being a sociopath automatically makes you a terrible person.
@@pepperonipikachu5414 Diagnoses aren't ironclad - maybe he just happened to give the answers that check the boxes in the manual, context be damned
@@doggo6517 ?????? Yeah I guess but that’s still a part of his personal truth. And it’s according to an expert who knows their shit.
But let’s say that’s true and that he isn’t a sociopath, it’s still shitty to be denying what a medical professional diagnosed him with on only the basis of his character and a stigmatized perception of what sociopathy is supposed to be. There is no proof that his diagnosis is wrong, and he doesn’t owe it to anyone to prove it anyway. The attitude that should be had towards a diagnosis is “it’s accurate until there is evidence to prove otherwise,” bc a diagnosis is a legally approved piece of paper that forces society to acknowledge that his issues are real and consistent, and he is entitled to accommodations.
As a formerly bullied individual I empathize with this person.
“A child that is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth”
― African Proverb
Wow that proverb is deep
@@maxbrandstetter528 And very true.
We live in a village 😔
Takes a village to raise a kid correctly.
It's not an African saying lmfao
teachers who dont get between bullies and victims dont deserve their job
very true.
I agree with you, but it never that simple. To get to the actual truth and put the blame on someone should require evidence.
And because all people lie, especially in younger ages, I think society will soon have to switch to a laws that would mandatory to wear a personal bodycam, like those police use. This way not only the victim would have the evidence, but also other bystanders and witnesses on their bodycams.
Imagine, driving a car or a motorcycle today without a dash cam. Crazy, right? So there are no reasons, why interactions with other humans should be different.
Also, this, I think, is the only way to fight against false accusations, corruption and crime in general.
Nevermind that teachers don't get paid enough as is
@@baitposter how in the hell does tackeling the issues of complacent teachers in bullying cases, prevent a raise in pay for teachers
in this very story they responded to him punching someone even though that was triggered by an action of bullying. Bullying is an issue because when you try to fix it after the fact all you do is reshape how it's done. Discipline, self control, morals, and cultural values is the only way to deal with the issue of bullying
He certainly sounds much more high functioning for a sociopath than the people I've met in a career of corrections.
I've been doing corrections for about 3 years...how long have you been doing it and how do you keep the motivation to keep going? Ngl I'm getting burnt out brother.
@@EZ-IZZY1995 Brother, at three years I was ready to eat my gun. I got a different job doing probation in a better county. If you are burnt out then really look at a job somewhere else, that environment that did that to you, will never love you enough to meet your needs. If you're tough enough to go three years, you are so qualified to do more for yourself. That's the best advice I can give you. Stay strong, and take care of yourself.
@@Maceman486 thank you. I really appreciate that. You as well.
I'm glad someone who's more experienced in the subject explained he's high functioning bc I was just recently diagnosed and still don't know alot about it and honestly thought he was faking bc he was getting worked up.
@@tristannealis3150 Isn't that very subjective though? As I've understood it the criteria is something like 7 traits that need a certain % score to qualify as socio/psychopath, so one could have a really high score in one, and a much lower in another and still qualify? It never felt like a hard science to me atleast
I threatened a handful of kids at my jr high when I was 13. I ended up on the nightly news, the front page of the newspaper, and the radio. Ended up in the mental ward for a night until they realized it was an attempt to stop the bullying, not a legitimate thing. Fed pills and saw therapists. And all those kids were probably oblivious to the entire situation. And have probably gone on to have normal lives. But its something I definitely had to work thru. And im 33 now. And luckily it never had any lasting effects. But its something ill never forget about. Ill never forget the assistant principal chased away the reporters from the school grounds to try and shield me from the press. He truly had my side. Mental health is such a big issue that so many people are completely oblivious to.
Good work. Thats what it takes sometimes to end bullying.
@@JoshDoes i can't honestly agree with you. It didn't really make anyone act any different. I was expelled for the rest of the year. Everything was kind of traumatic for me. But like I said those kids probably never changed. And they let me back into the same school the next year as if nothing happened. And everyone kinda acted that way. Despite the fact that they used me as an example to turn me into the school shooter kid.
dont feel bad man we are just evolved monkeys if you were a chimp in the wild fleeing or ripping their faces of is as all natural as breathing.any labels given are bs to sedate through meds or believing somethings wrong with you.even serial killers i bet the same monkeys shaming them would have no problem when they hunt another monkey from another group to reduce competition or for food.
But is it I feel like we over exaggerate we just want something to blame you seemed like you had nothing wrong with you in your story I have a chance of having autism but it's not affecting my life so I haven't gotten checked out for it
Bullying…a symptom of the deep rot…within what you mortals call…society…or…civilisation…
Yes…it is a form of corruption…passed down through…poor parenting…
It’s weird how the people who go through this get called a sociopath and the bullies are just normal kids
RIGHT ? sometimes humans suck man
Society values the strong and picks on the weak. Simple herd mentality.
Nobody deserves to be bullied like that. It doesn't matter that he is a sociopath, he can only be judged by what he does not what he is.
And as a kid, being a bit manipulative is still not a reason to be hurt like that. It is a reason for everyone else to be alert around him and maybe not too close, sure, but not _that_
i all way hate bully
Some genes actally increase the chance of being a sociopath but there is no one gene for it, it’s all about environment and what happened to this kid I doubt genetics had anything to do with what he did, it sucks but that’s why we need to change. To make sure kids like him get a proper childhood
@@atheist2025 but near the end he talked about there being signs before the bullying
@@ShiruSama1 yes, I may be wrong but I still think if he was given a good childhood that helped him stop the bullying those tendencies would still be there but he wouldn’t as he said snap. I’m sorry if I sound like a righteous person, I’m not I’m an emotional idiot. So I’m sorry if I’m wrong because I took the first thing I saw on google, again sorry if this sounds rude I am an idiot
@@atheist2025 Please don't call yourself an idiot! I see what you mean, and I do agree that someone who lives in a kind/loving environment might not ever find themselves in a situation were their sociopathic tendencies are shown
It sounds like they gave the wrong person "empathy training". As a former teacher I am absolutely livid for you. May adulthood bring brighter days. You deserve so much better
I totally agree, as a teacher I'm certain you understand how painful this kind of treatment can be for a developing brain..
I would have tried to get evidence of the bullying to get them expelled, possibly saving not just mine and their life but the lives of the other autistic kids they would have continued to bully if justice wasn't served.
@@walterrising4276 Sorry to burst your bubble, but bullying exists in every school (attended one of the top private schools in Europe, and still got sent to the hospital at some point). Honestly, just teach your kids resilience and don't hide them from the world, because the world will show it self regardless. That way despite the unpleasant surprise, your kids will be ready to face it.
@@walterrising4276that...just makes no sense.
@@anotherlucii it does if you home school your kids...
So let me get this straight....
Basically he was bullied in all parts of his life untill it became unbearable.
Then instead of hurting himself he decided to hurt those who hurt him and others like him.
Then his so called friend ratted him out instead of helping him stand against his bullies or at the very least ratted on the bullies.
Then he was forced out of school into therapy all the while the people who contributed to his mental snap remain unpunished and walks free.
They then have the stones to say he lacks empathy, no, the people who did and allowed this to happen to a innocent boy have no empathy.
But yet humanity would crucify a child who just wanted people to stop hurting him.
Good job world 🌎 you all did it again.
Telling authorities about a hit list = ratting him out? Uh yeah okay makes sense.
he was forced into therapy which helped him get better, and his friend didn't rst him out, he helped the guy by making sure he didn't fucken kill the bullies, which saved the guy.
yeah, the bullies and school is shit, but don't try blaming the friend and that
Not "hurt" those who hurt him, he had full intentions of sending them to Jesus.
The school had already known about the bullying, they just didn't care, so his friend rattle out the bullies would result in nothing.
As much as I would love to see those bullies sent to hell, this is not an anime, a movie, or a game, killing someone intentionally, with good reasons or not, is still murder, and if he had done that, he would've been sent to prison, got "rehabilitated" there and come out even worse, basically throwing his entire future into the trash.
The action that friend took to report him might not be the best solution, but it is one of the right ones, like he said, thanks to that, he was able to get the therapy and helps he needs, without having anyone sent to the grave, I can't think of a better action to do even if I was in the place of his friend, try to think rationally, you're trying to paint his friend as a bad person, while his friends decision was the one that gave him the better things he has right now, it might not be the best, but surely, better.
Bully starts conflict but when the victim retaliates or tells them to go away the victim gets in trouble while the bully gets off scot free.
Somewhere down the way the education system fucked up the math on how one thing happened because of another thing and now they refuse to accept they’re incorrect
His friend was right to do what he did. You absolute fool
The fact it was his brother's friend adds fuel to my anger. I could never imagine laughing at someone treating my own like trash. People are so fucking gross man🤦♂️
Some people deserve getting half of their face removed slowly and painfully removed
FR, I'm an older sister and I swear I would go to prison for my younger siblings. I've out off people just because they said some shit to my younger siblings so I can't imagine still being actual friends with someone who straight up bullied any one of them.
Blood…is not thicker than water…
The true friends that mortals meet in life…that celebrate your triumphs…push you to greater heights…and are brutally honest…
Are your family…
If it so happens that…you are related…by blood…truely lucky…
Thank you for making this and showing the human side of Antisocial Personality Disorder
except this is an obvious false diagnosis. ive got family with the disorder. lots of them. this isnt it.
I really want to give this person a hug.
Yes
Same
I'm honored to have done so :)
same
@@Azeal >Heroes don't wear capes
They apparently wear virtual cat eats lol
goes to show how flawed the education system is. somehow, everything has evolved from houses to economy to health care but the school system doesnt seem to be going forward.
Never moves,still the same thing.
It gives the industry zombie like workers,or finishes you off.
It just feels like it hasn’t evolved a single step since the for the past century. Stuff like School Shootings, Suicides, Rampant Bullying, seemingly low funding for the schools, mostly noncaring school personnel, not a single wink or bat of the eye from the people who run the schools who only run them for the paychecks, most effort they’ve done from what I’ve seen is shut down the schools because of Covid and that’s after the country essentially forced them to. The Education system seriously needs to adapt and evolve to the new century and improve virtually everything it teaches and what cultures it encourages. We don’t need knowledge on the powerhouse of the cell, we need knowledge on first aid and CPR, we need classes on how to find employment and how to do certain things in adult life like paying taxes efficiently.
It's not just the education system. People in general are cruel and disgusting, and the only time justice is served is when people take it into their own hands.
@@monkeywrench1290 it feels like industry because we literally still have an Industrial Age school system, the same age where children were forced to do jobs like coal mining and working in factories for hours
Doesn't help that we're literally going backwards. Just look at our children's test scores. Idk what teachers are becoming more and more interested in telling our kids, but it certainly isn't related to math or english.
That awkward silence at 14:40 until you realize Azeal is slowly rising into frame lmfao. It's a serious topic and the hug was a good thing, but I just burst out laughing watching Azeal's avatar inch the way into frame and move up towards him.
It was really cute, almost made me cry ngl.
same, I heard a "scoot scoot" sound in my head as he moved lol
lmao
@@Azeal yes
Same here.
Damn. I held it together right until the hug. The strength of this man to go through all that and still find love inside to give and to have his best friend and partner with him to share this with the world. Thank you for this. Thank you for your battle. Thank you for staying with us.
I held it together until azeal shuffled up onto the screen, so cute
My heart goes out to him, and others who struggle this way, it's the reason I'm going into Psychology. Currently at uni doing a Counselling Degree. I hope I can make a difference.
Good luck I've been through a bit of counseling and it never does. What people need are real friends not fake ones.
@@JoshDoes I totally agree that the current state of therapy is all wrong, and that's the reason it doesn't work. I hope to change things if I can, helping at least one person before I pass is all I've ever wanted to do.
you better make a difference when you graduate, and make sure it's effective and long lasting so people can learn to feel comfortable with themselves and not slip up and feel more miserable
You won’t. The problem goes so deep in the system you’re basically trying to drain the ocean with a sieve. Twice in my school years I was driven to the point I tried to commit suicide. I got in trouble for that, the people that liked to beat the shit out of me got away scot free. So no, you won’t make a difference, as a counsellor you don’t have the power to do anything about the actual causes of the problems. The most you’ll ever manage is some useless words that might keep a person going for a few more days but nothing more than that
@@jamesvivian2855 honestly, there’s too many people going for psychology degrees. Most say they want to understand the human condition and help others. But most of the time they really do it because it’s the easiest degree to get. Try to help out those around you in your free time and go to college for something more practical.
Many people dont realise how bullying affects people! I was bullied in elementary school till middle school and was rly close to kill myself and nobody noticed or simply didn’t care. They said a little conflict isnt that big of a deal or told me i should not provoke others even tho i rly just tried to survive the day and mind my own business. So ye im very sry that this person had to go through this stuff and i hope they recover with the time bcs thats what im still figuring out...how to recover from these traumatising and exhausting events.
true, bullying can do so much damage, especially at a young age
Indeed
Zero tolerance for bullying works at points
You dont hit people at all
Try a shotgun
I understand this. Was bullied from K-5 and that has definitely scared me mentally. But one thing that helps me get through the days is to not think of the past and think more on the future. I have gotten close to snapping like the guy in the video on multiple occasions and I was down in the blue...but I learned things get better after awhile. Been going strong since I left that town and I have no intention to go back. Too many memories and graves for my liking.
I understand the pain that has affected everyone who was bullied. I was bullied throughout all of elementary school and the one thing that I found helped was to not care what others think of you. As long as you can see yourself as the good person you know you are, there is nothing anyone else can do to change that.
Really appreciate how you give a variety of people a platform to share their stories
thank you, it's my passion!
@@Azeal Your a good man
Do we all know what a brown nose is ?
@@user-dm2bq7wk7y i have no idea what that is
PSA:not all sociopaths are awful people, there are still some, but like with other mental conditions, there are also victims that have it
I dont think he is even sociopath
@@Viso333 sociopathy is a spectrum disorder. So he could be high functioning rather than low. He seems to have a lot of restraint on things.
Fires don't start for no reason.
There's a source. Firefighters extinguish a house fire they don't just walk away! They sift through the debris! How did it happen?! Here's an oily rag!
@@Viso333 it's more that the term "sociopath" is a consequence of psychiatry's tendency to pathologize and to reinforce the pushing of people to the fringes of society; it's clear that what we call "sociopathy" is often not harmful, and in cases like this, it essentially comes from others' refusal to empathize with this person: they literally could not conceive of another way to stop the constant, daily, unrelenting torment. I think that when you're under that kind of stress for months or years on end, homicidal ideation is just a natural response, and in fact homicidal ideation, in my experience, usually occurs alongside suicidal ideation; and these are measures taken only when there is genuinely nothing else that can be done.
@@sirberu5 Completely unrelated btw, but linseed oil rags can actually start fires because of how that particular oil dries. It can also catch fire at much lower temperatures than many other substances. Just a PSA.
"and nobody really did anything about it" resonates so much with me. Teachers always asked me why I never just told an adult about a problem, but whenever I did they did nothing.
Very similar to my story from my early education except 2 groups did do something: my parents who were always there for me and my then best friend and his parents (we were both bullied by the same group of boys and ignored by the school faculty). My parents transferred me and his parents transferred him (unfortunately to different schools but we still hung out for a few years after).
This could have been how I and my friend ended up had we not had supportive families.
“See something, say something”
It never worked, whenever I saw something and said something I was told to mind my own fucking business 🙄
@@Gunkle_Jeb yup, nobody actually gives a shit they just like to pretend like they do.
While I've never had something as serious as this happen, I do relate quite a bit to this guy's story. I'm not a sociopath, but I do have what to some can seem like a similar condition, and I grew up with massive anger issues as well. I never got as far as he did, since most of my anger was taken out on my family and not friends when I was young, but that rage is still part of me that still exists somewhere within my psyche. I don't take it out on people anymore when I feel it, but the possibility that I might is something that scares me, because so far all I've learned how to do is suppress.
To be avoided and relentlessly bullied for seemingly no reason at all, to be made to feel at fault if I ever retaliated in any way, is the primary element of the story this guy told that's all too familiar. Even now, where I work I've been told that some of my coworkers are scared of me, and I still don't understand what I do that upsets them and probably others that have interacted with me at university.
I wish him luck learning to control his demons.
I believe you should try to find something to put your energy/anger into
Like a hobby, activity or otherwise an escape from routine to de stress
What pisses me off the most about this is that it sounds like counselors and therapists treated him like the problem, and not everyone else treating him like shit that led up to it. I had a similar snap when I was in the navy, I can relate to the crying himself to sleep I know exactly what thats like. Except I had no intentions of physically harming anyone else, I wanted my death to scar others mentally, I got the help I desperately needed, and now I live a normal reclusive introverted life.
Glad you got the help you needed. The navy treats its sailors like garbage and It’s disgusting
He is the problem, TO THEM. Bullied kids make too many waves for the poorly run structures of public schools.
Nothing but support to this person.
And this is why bullying is a crime where I come from.
Bullying is the cancer of not only school but also of the workplace.
it breaks a person.
(edit)
(A bit of extra info about the law):
By crime I don't mean putting literal kids to prison like some backwater countries. I'ts just something to speed up the interfering process from adults/others.
this law also applies to workplace bullying and even then it's only prison time if violence was used or something was stolen or broken.
Bullying should be a crime anywhere!
"bullying is a crime where I come from"
Words cannot explain how amazing of a law that is. Whoever made that a thing, huge props to them. I just hope they enforce it well enough. If bullying didn't exist anywhere, the world would be a much better place.
Amen to that for damn sure.
Fucking sucks having to go through it in any shape or form.
I've gotten used to being bullied
just a question where are you from so i can move there asap
To whom ever this person is, thank you for sharing your story. We're sure that it has touched all of our hearts. We're proud of you for getting through all of that. Kia kaha!
Wooo!!! You go random person that shared your story! We luv u!
@@dragonfang3408 yes!
Also sorry off topic but momento mori
So true also Kia Ora fellow kiwi
The hug at the end was so heart warming.
I'm sending my virtual hugs and love to the individual in this video and any others who have been in similar circumstances.
I'm sorry that the system and world has fucked with you so much to make you reach this point and feel this way.
You are NOT the problem and you are NOT alone.
They are the true SOCIOPATHS for trying to victim blame you into thinking you were the problem.
YOUR decisions and actions have shown that you have more compassion and empathy for others than any of these bullies or psychiatric "professionals"
Please hang in there and I hope you find the true love and relationships that you deserve
I want to write down my experiance here, but I can't. This is *his* story. I wanted so badly to hold his hand when he was about to cry. It's never easy. I just hope he can keep going.
My dude, what comment section are you in? Every other comment here is talking about their story.
You won't steal his thunder. Go right ahead; we're all ears
I hate how schools are always like "We can help, talk to us." and when you find the courage to tell them how you feel they just give you shitty advice and do nothing to help the situation
Schools were always bully supporters
A lot of people don't actually want to help with annoying situations, just feel good about other people seemingly relying on them. Those teachers should themselves go through empathy training, as they do not even seem to care that someone is getting bullied.
or they recommend a 51/50 to your parents (involuntary mental hospital stay)
I remember teachers being apathetic in the 90s so we handled it ourselves by fighting. Now kids get in trouble for defending themselves.
What really threw me off at the time was not just the whole "talk to us" actually no, thing, but after i snapped and did things out of pure anger of being picked on, is them acting like it came out of nowhere. Luckily in my case, my father used to tell me that if school wasn't doing something i had to do it, and if they called him, he would give them the shit they deserved, i'm really greatful for my dad to be there for me those times, other wise i would probably have killed myself in a situation like the guy on the video. It didn't stop from having a very profound effect on me, to the point i was suicidal a while ago, but he did help a lot.
Thank you azeal for letting people's voices be heard.
This channel has opened my eyes up about alot of things, once again thank you
Hah ginger
a lot*
@@WelderGamesYT ?
It’s spelt a lot not alot
@@WelderGamesYT and?
I knew a guy who was a diagnosed Sociopath. He did lots of things similar to you, but I wouldn't describe him as a bad person.
Being a Sociopath in my opinion is one of the worst things that a person can have. If you'll excuse my language, it seems like complete hell. The stigma around it is ridiculous. You even mention how if your friend hadn't reported you, you might not have gotten diagnosed. I'm sure lots of people haven't been diagnosed and end up doing things they regret.
I should probably mention I'm not a psychiatrist or anything lol. Just someone with close experience
My ASPD friend's narcissism manifested as a need to be seen as a good person, and therefore they are really kind despite the inability to feel empathy. It's definitely a spectrum, and there are absolutely folks on that spectrum who are dangerous. However, plenty of folks with ASPD are just doing their best and trying to get by.
yea, I have autism so I'm sadly used to stigma, but I see the stigma against people with aspd and wonder how they get through life with a stigma against you like that. atleast a lot of my friends are fine with my autism, in general people will usually just politely ignore me, maybe some looks but only a few glances. I can still make friends even if it's hard
but people with aspd don't seem to even be given a chance. the terms sociopath and psychopath are synonymous with killer, dangerous, criminal, ect.
it's so very strong to the point lots of people I know think it means your violent. my senior highschool project is on the misrepresentation of neurodivergent people and when I looked up famous people with aspd it was literally all serial killers, I couldn't find anything no matter how many medical terminology I used to try to get across "I am searching for people with aspd, not violent people". i don't know what it's like to have aspd but it sounds like hell. i wish so bad that people would stop, consider that these are actual people, that their words affect others and that all people with aspd aren't violent murderers. they could be, but they're also someone sitting next to you on the buss, a waiter helping you out with your order, a classmate, and maybe even a friend or family member
He wasn't a sociopath before being abused
@@redeyedtiger That actually isn't uncommon. There are people who are predisposed to ASPD and would develop it no matter what, but a significant portion of people with ASPD suffered abuse in early childhood. ASPD by itself doesn't mean someone is a bad person, it just means they lack empathy, and the functionality of empathy can be taught.
@@LevadeNZ behaving morally is usually more practical than not, luckily. lol
I'm going to say something that's apparently controversial here: You're a human being brother. I know what that feeling is like. Don't let the diagnosis get to you. Words can not define the human experience. I hope you live a wonderful life in peace with friends and loved ones that you can trust.
Being out of the norm by a certain degree is completely fine. Sociopathy and Psychopathy are quite a terrible labels that society can put on one.
Facts. Just facts
@mikymuky1171 and honestly, they were basically rendered somewhere between cynically useful and utterly meaningless _decades_ ago.
Oh God okay this hit harder than I thought it would
I’ve struggled with anger issues before, and been bullied before, which led me to do something that was… not that great. He’s still alive, probably, hopefully, but he does have a permanent scar on his neck because of me. I did apologise, but I don’t think I ever fully understood what I did wrong until I got older and we were in different schools.
So, uh. I get it.
This is really educational. My dad is constantly trying to relate me or try to say that I, personally, am a sociopath, even tho I’m not. It makes me mad that he does this. It’s not ok to just “decide” what a person is or isn’t. It’s a serious topic that should be respected. I’m apathetic in a lot of ways, yes, but I’m not a Sociopath. I’m just extremely unhealthy and have extremely unhealthy coping methods/decisions. I thank you for this video. Truly. If I had the proper confidence, I’d show him this video to force him to understand there is a MASSIVE difference between being a sociopath and just being an unhealthy introvert (the antisocial kind). Thank you for sharing this story, friend. It’s takes a lot of guts to do this. I’m glad nothing actually happened when you snapped. I’m glad you’re okay/alright. Stay safe and stay healthy. You are loved and wanted, and sociopath or not, you’re still a good person at heart. Please don’t forget that. I hope things become better and easier as time goes on. :) ❤️
Hopefully in the future, you can get (properly) tested and make him understand. He may be one of those types who needs evidence. Some people are just really bad at understanding others, and apparently that applies to both sociopaths, and your Dad.
Yeah. He’s a real jerk like that. He’s also called me “worthless” before, among other things. I honestly and unfortunately am not surprised his favorite thing to do when he’s mad or just nitpicking everything I do. Maybe he’ll learn one day when he is blocked from my messages as an adult that you can’t just say or do these things and expect a positive response. Honestly the way he pins things as my fault so much I start second guessing myself. I’ve even asked my friends before what they thought. They all said I’m nothing really close to one, so I guess that’s good. I just hate the idea that I might just be a brat for thinking like this, that maybe I really am just a bad child that way. Sorry for rambling.. it’s a bad habit of mine. Thanks for taking time to bother with my comment, friend. 😊
Sheesh
@@duckgamer861 Lol
@@fnaf_for_life i know it sounds a bit.... weird... but one of the coping mechanics I've found to help deal with control of my grandmother and my mother was watching r/insaneparents vids. i can highly suggest OneTopicAtATime's vids on it as he's a big fluffy bear. hang in there and know that there is hope once your out of the house.
To bring some awareness he might not be a sociopath but instead have PTSD. It's not exactly rare for highly traumatized people to become incredibly violent towards those they feel are responsible for it and that level of resentment is sometimes seen as a lack of empathy.
or Schiziod personality disorder
Had I got through what he did, I certainly would’ve had PTSD. I’d probably would’ve become a full-on misanthrope as well.
You're not a psychiatrist, stop trying to diagnose people.
It can be both. People with ASPD commonly had repeated abuse/trauma as children.
@@Sammysapphira Don't care plus you're female
Pretty sure this person was misdiagnosed. Many ppl under such level of abuse can snap into a violence response.
That's something I've always wondered. Do we distinguish between those who are made versus those that way. I mainly think about this because of the anime Monster where all of the other psychopaths are in awe of The Monster because his level of ruthless efficiency in what he does is amazing. However where we learn that he is a product of his environment the big reveal is he may have been born that way by him revealing one piece of info and asking a question.
I keep seeing these comments that the kid was innocent. He is a sociopath and for others to not take what he is saying at face value or for what he is irritates me. I think it's good to questions everything, I was slightly concerned when hearing the "I was diagnosed with autisAND sociopath," (sociopathy and autism are closely linked - 'autistic people FEEL emotions but don't understand them, sociopathic people understand emotions but DONT feel them' sorta thing,) until I heard that he saw relationships/behaved as followed:
1. Transactional relationships; manipulation to get what he wants
2. Making unemotional decisions, because he cannot relate to how other's make decisions or go about things he treats it the way he feels... or what he is limited to experiencing (as in he makes decisions based off of his seriousness rather than his sadness for example,) meaning living his life will be alot more do-able, or as he said really bad for his life, but efficient. -classic anti-social trait
3. No moral compass, speaks for itself and is easy to understand just that it is a common trait .
Those were all of his demonstrated traits but clearly the bullying developed into sociopathy (?) and medical professionals would've noticed that and actually would've helped him try to develop cogntive empathy while they could! - because he was still an undeveloped teenager, it would make sense to start sooner rather than later. By the way, cognitive empathy training is a personality disorder based kind of therapy, I think.
So basically, yeah, he is a sociopath lol and people will only accept the information that they WANT to be true rather than what is. He is a sociopath and thinking otherwise is just a waste of time
Yea right that's a rational reaction to chronic abuse. One day you can't take it anymore and just wants it to stop, at all cost. And if murder is the cost, it says volume about the abuse suffered.
It wasn't just a violent response, he was going to murder his bullies lol
@Raspian Kiado thank god their is a court system to help you get out of that stuff outside of school
I'm so happy he got reported. He seems like a very genuine person, and definitely wouldn't have deserved to spend life in prison for what he would have done, I really hope he succeeds in whatever it is that he wants to do. We all need to remind ourselves that everyone we meet has their own story, and if you have a problem with their actions it's best to talk to them about it rather than demonizing them. If they've shown that they really are just a bad person, that's one thing, but this guy did nothing and was treated like shit. He deserves the world for coming out of this situation alive and out of prison.
I feel for this guy. I had the exact same thing happen to me and it got to the point where I snapped and beat a girl so badly she ended up in the hospital in critical. And the worst part was despite it being self defense, they still acted like I was the problem. I was the monster even though this girl bullied me for 10+ years and stabbed/ jabbed me with pens, pencils, scissors and scaples from art class. I was absolutely sick of it and nobody, absolutely NOBODY did a damn thing about it. I don't regret a damn thing beating that girl half to death. She deserved it, and I hope she was scarred for it the way she scarred me.
Stop bullying, people. You're sick and inhuman if you allow it.
He may be "diagnosed" as a sociopath, but man... This could easily be a handful of other things that was merely misdiagnosed.
I feel bad, but you have to remember he is a sociopath so his recollection of events, regardless of if its conscious or not, is blurred.
his mind wants to be liked and get sympathy, not the opposite
@@musichub3926 I don't think he was lying about the events that happened, because that's the only way he could have falsely gained people's sympathy, since even just a recollection of the bullying from an objective stance (and still he was telling it in a way that he knew puts some responsibility on himself despite what happened) is enough to garner sympathy naturally. But, I also don't think he was misdiagnosed, considering how he meets most of the criteria of the DSM 5 for Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD), which is colloquially interchangeable with sociopathy and psychopathy (I was told that psychopathy is having no remorse whatsoever, but sociopaths can feel a little of it). Aggression, manipulation, lying, self-destructiveness are all that he has mentioned in the video that he struggles with (also impulsivity, but that also overlaps with ADHD, which he said he also has).
@@cameronschyuder9034 The listed things aren't exclusive to ASPD and are also even seen in BPD, which despite self sabotaging and destructive to others behaviors comes with a high level of affective empathy. It isn't even exclusive to Cluster B PDs, and aggression in extreme stress is also seen in ADHD and self-destructive tendencies are seen in autism. Manipulation and lying are things anyone is capable of forming maladaptions around, esp. after extreme trauma.
This matters because of prognosis. ASPD has a poor prognosis, essentially can't be helped. This person, just from sincere actions, doesn't seem to be living purely for reward or gain. They are serious;y hurting and they seem to feel ashamed of themselves. This is not a happy thing, they definitely care heavily. The fact he feels dismay when told he "can't be helped" is to me all the proof I need to know he's been failed, because someone with ASPD would not care at all, or thing they have a problem needing help for.
I kinda feel that y'all are doubting his diagnosis just because you hate "sociopaths" and think that he's too good of a person to be one 🤔🤔
"hey we recently had a student commit self-oof, lets say that we will fix this and then not address any issues relating to this afterwards, as this will clearly not cause any further issues"
basically sums up the american education systems outlook on most problems
He's not a sociopath! Those doctors were lazy. His response to the whole situation was natural. As someone who has been bullied throughout 1-12, the desire to stop what is causing you pain is normal. Since he had no help or change to his situation, he took it upon himself to stop the problem and pain. Hopefully he will find more people who can help love and help him.
I was bullied and beaten down all the time in school for 2 years.
There was no reason for it.
Now,it stopped,and my life is much better.
His reaction was natural,stopping the cause of pain.
I feel this, i was bullied much the same, and sometimes i wanted to hurt myself, sometimes i wanted to hurt other people to make them stop, but the school never helped. Schools watch you be tortured then blame you for being upset, and let the bullies walk off, or at most, give an empty apology.
he needed help, instead the school enabled this, especially after a previous suicide, that school needed closing.
Yea he had a natural reaction. I honestly considered writing a list too because of severe bullying, but I didn't.
By the definition of sociopathy. He would most definitely be one. Most people think sociopathy means you dont feel emotions, which isnt true. Also wanting to kill people in your school is not natural. Not all sociopaths are bad people. usually most people just act impulsively or have anger issues.
schools suck. They never do what they promise. They say they stopped bullying. Its sad.
That was so painfully relatable im sitting here crying right now i think this actually made me realize how bad i need to get help for what im going through and im really happy that i watched this
Man this person was dealt a straight up _awful_ deck of cards and yet they're still doing the best they can with it. So much respect for them.
Whoever you are, I hope your days are much brighter
Another prime example that the US education system is a joke, and before anyone asks, I'm born and raised here, and I still believe this system is a joke.
yes the american school system refuses to accomidate neurodivergent students
Im a american too and I'll confirm it's still garbage im 16 a sophmore the system is literally the biggest joke
@@thegamingwolf8892 at least at the highschool i go to everybody agrees the american school system is shit but yet we have to abide by their bullshit
@@IndustrialParrot2816 yep same here
>US education system is a joke
You think there's a system where such things don't happen? You get bullied everywhere.
I wept the moment I saw Azeal enter the frame for a hug.
aww :)
I love this channel so much
I keep spotting you in the comments lol
thank you!!
@@fla_oracle8698 so my love is of no surprise ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
@@Azeal of course! (◕ᴗ◕✿)
Is your username 40K inspired?
Lmao the end where azael just floats up to hug him like a deity or some godly being 💀
I really feel for this guy. There had been moments when I was bullied where I was on the borderline of snapping and wanting to make the bullies stop by any means necessary. Sadly, bullying has only gotten more and more vicious overtime and with each new generation, it gets worse and yet the one thing in common is that teachers are bloody useless in trying to stop it. I'm glad that this guy got some form of help and is doing his best to choose the path that doesn't hurt people.
But I also have to add.. Azeal looked like he was pulling on a tiny rope for a platform to lift himself up when he got up to offer that virtual hug. It just added extra adorableness to the wholesome moment.
Honestly, I don't see sociopathy here. It would be strange to go through all that and have no reaction.
It may not have been the correct reaction, but everyone refused to help him take the right one.
Sociopathy in pop culture isn't all sociopaths, this dude could legitimately be sociopathic while not displaying the public perception of sociopathic behaviour.
It is possible to be sociopathic and a morally upstanding person.
@@whitewall2253 thank you! I was misinformed. I read a little about the subject and you are correct.
It's the ruthless efficiency part.
@@whitewall2253 A certain character's evil phase comes to mind... The dude basically manipulated the school staff to get their approval for a classroom upgrade to a special class room (meant for royalty basically).
Then when the phase was over, he basically apologies to everyone due to being the biggest pushover in anime.
@@lordjaraxxus5418 ayo i literally just came from watching that show
I can relate a lot to this, I have a neurochemical imbalance in my brain leading to severe clinical depression and social anxiety disorder, school was rough for me, middle school was similar to this guys, bullied neurodivergent kid, I started having violent urges and thoughts, doing similar things such as drawing things I pictured doing to them in my head. My pediatrician told me that this was apparently normal for someone whos been severely depressed for a really long time, I don't know if this is necessarily true as a way of trying to placate me, was then sent to a therapist which helped the anger and related, but i was still having breakdowns at the mention of my name from a teacher, panic attacks whenever i leave a room and had to come back in, im an artist so i made vent art, and the only reason i wasn't called in is because my mom worked at that school. Not trying to write an essay here so ill cut it short, i empathize with this guy and hope he's doing better now.
I was just in that boat world right before logging off VRChat tonight.
There was a drunk person with a furry avatar throwing a conniption fit before rage blocking everyone who was present.
Good times.
best game
It's awesome that he could tell this story. I'm sure many have felt the same as him, but you can definitely tell this has taken a heavy toll on him.
He should definitely give psychedelics or ayuascha therapy a try to heal his mind & spirit.
Thank you for your story 🙏
Props do this dude for having the courage to tell this story
Fellow autistic person with ADHD here! This video really touched me as I have some similar experiences. Albeit, my trauma was less outright bullying and more sexu@l abuse throughout my adolescence. So I have the same issues with a total lack of empathy, violent urges (I draw to cope), etc. I want to say this, your therapist... should have their license taken away!! One cannot be diagnosed with a personality disorder (sociopathy, aka ASPD is one) until they're an adult. Diagnosing a literal child with it is the definition of unethical. You may or may not be a sociopath. Either way, trauma (especially when you're already neurodivergent) will make someone have antisocial (sociopathic) tendencies. The education system and mental health system has systemically failed neurodivergent kids for years, and the very little bit of empathy I have left is for you and people like you. I want to go into adolescent psychiatry or some form of research to better the lives of people like us. I'm 18 now and very much healthier and more aware, so seeing stories like yours are relateable, gutwrenching, and somewhat relieving. We're in this hell together.
Much love,
Nova
Take care and best of luck getting into that reasearch area!
Wow. You've managed to make this all about you. That's quite a feat.
Much love, Nova
@@77SilentAssassin77 I mean, some parts of the comment is them talking about themselves but they do make a point in saying that its stupid that he's diagnosed as a sociopath when he was underage, neuro divergente, and experienced trauma. I really don't think he should have been diagnosed as such especially since he was bullied which can easily cause people to repress their feelings and their ability to empathize as it can be traumatic. Also, there's nothing wrong with writing a comment which relates their personal experience with the content of the video.
@@77SilentAssassin77 Just as a heads up: telling ones own story to show that one can relate to another person is a thing that apparently many neuro-divergent people do. I myself try to see it as just it's own form of empathy.
As a sociopath myself his first statement genuinely scared me since I realize it as a problem and are actively trying to fix it
I think this is completely unfair and a misdiagnosis, I was also pushed to these extremes when I was bullied, I obsessed over a plan to take out several people, but I never went through with it, I forgot about it and got over it, now I am in a much better place emotionally and would never consider doing something like that. I think it's utterly unfair and outrageous to diagnose someone as a sociopath because of their thoughts and actions when they were pushed to the absolute emotional brink. He has been told that he is some sort of monster, and has had his entire life defined by the emotional state he was in at one time of his life, even though he may be much better now. He may have been pushed to sociopathic behaviours and thought processes at that time in his life, similar to how I was, that does not mean it is his permanent state and should be what defines him even when he is mentally healthy. He's being punished and gaslit for being pushed to the edge. This is outrageous.
Edit: I am also autistic like him, I believe that a lack of appropriate training on the subject is what led to them interpreting his behaviour as sociopathy, when it is simply a common struggle amongst autistic people to know how to express and interpret our emotions in a constructive way, though it usually gets easier as we get older. What happened to him is a colossal failure on the part of both his school and the disability services, and he should be angry. He is a victim and I hope he comes to recognise that.
Edit 2: It's also implied that his murderous thoughts occurred between the ages of 12 - 13. That is the age of someone who is still very much a child, an age where it is naturally difficult to regulate strong emotions, and where it's hard to have a true comprehension of the consequences of one's actions. Furthermore, according to some studies I've heard, all teenagers naturally have empathy levels and behaviours that make them close to sociopaths anyway, because they simply have not learnt proper empathy and emotional regulation yet. The fact that he's been fucked over for life by something he did when he was twelve is an absolute fucking affront and everyone involved in the handling of his case should be ashamed.
Thanks so much!!! This is so informational as a perspective thx for sharing!!!!!
I agree.
There isnt even a diagnosis for sociopathy in the dsm. If there is a specifier for it maybe but even then, a specifier isn't the core diagnosis. The closes thing to sociopathy in the dsm is antisocial personality disorder specified with psychopathy.
Idk. I just have pet peeves about the terms sociopath and psychopath. They are used in general public but they have no solid meaning really. The specifier for psychopathy is the closest thing and it's not even a stand alone diagnosis its a specifier. I really enjoyed reading your comment overall though as the things u said were very similar to my other thoughts on the video as well as a psychology student.
I can't deny it. As an autistic kid at that age going through relentless bullying, I had my own list. I won't lie that I still have that list mentally, but it's not something I'd act upon. It's just kinda- there. collecting dust. I might have violent thoughts, but I realize how fuckin stupid doing any of that would be outside the context of outright self defense
@@PoipulBun its called aspd, it is characterized by a lack of empathy, dulled emotions, as well as failing to recognize ones own consequences of their actions. does this mean the person stays as "evil" as someone would think a sociopath would be? no, they, like any other person, can choose to learn from their mistakes and use alternative methods in place of what they would normally do. and as for the term psychopath, from my own observations its more of a npd (narcissism) thing. i think the main difference is they enjoy the things they do because it benefits them, whereas sociopaths dont understand why theyre being harmful. the problem really is how stigmatizing these terms are, people demonize us and refuse to offer proper help and support we need because they think we cannot be "fixed".
I really hope he reads this because I was feeling the same thing. I've met people with true ASPD, it's nught and day. He's autistic and traumatized. Sociopathy is defined by the fact people aren't distressed by the worldview of lack of empathy, often grandiosity, sensation-seeking behavior, lack of emotionally divulging vulnerable information like this, etc.
Smoking gun is that ASPD often forms from repeated trauma in early childhood and this all happened mid to late. Worst part is he's not even 25, which IIRC you have to be for a DSM diagnosis. This is because THESE THINGS CAN BE CHANGED AND ADDRESSED AT HIS AGE since at his age the diagnosis is ODD and CD which have a more favorable prognosis.
He needs to get to a trauma-informed therapist, and he needs to talk to them about CPTSD. I really think that's the help he needs and deserves.
Azael going up to be on the same level to hug the person is the sweetest thing.
Bro that hug at the end while virtual, must have meant a lot
Being a person being bullied by friends , classmates , higher ups , and even my parents. I can't help but cry and smile at the same time at the thought of seeing someone going through something the same as me. Broke me even more hearing them also thinking of hurting their classmates after I recently did that a few days ago,
God, them mentioning a lugy brought back a memory of mine from Middle School (6th grade) where a known bully of mine spat almost directly in my eye, before wiping it off, I stood up walked out of the room to where the teacher was taking a phone call, and pointed straight to the spit running down my face, all while dead silent. The teacher nodded, I wiped it off, and sat back down, a couple minutes later the teacher walked back in and sent the kid to the Principal's office. Easily one of my personally proudest moments without resorting to violence, despite as much as I would have liked to. But thankfully since I didn't retaliate, the school was forced to let me go despite having a hate boner for me throughout my entire time at that school.
That's so smart and badass!
You should have stabbed them, a permanent scar is much more effective than a trip to the principle.
My dad was very close to murdering his, now ex, step father when he was a teenager. He had his hunting rifle trained at his bedroom door waiting for his step father to come in to abuse him when he was done abusing his mom. Luckily, that monster didn't go into his room that day. Abuse. Bullying. They push you farther than people realize. It hurts my heart when I see anyone suffering at the hands of other people. I wish I could lend a hand to everyone expiriencimg it. Give a hug. An ear to talk to. Tell them that it will get better. But this world isn't fair, and I can't do that for everyone. But please believe me. If you're going through a hard time. Eventually, it will be better.
Damn that was almost me, thank you for uploading this it really helps to hear this.
this is so sad and the hug and the outro music actually made me cry...
I'm empathetic to a fault.
And if I went through half the bullying this man went through, people would be dead.
Right?!
As it should be. Dont give remorse, dont get remorse.
yo props to the good boy or girl (the pet) that gave this man a reason to live though all that until he could get the help he needed.
This really hit home for me. The fact that I can relate to most of the things this guy talked about just really hits hard. Thank you for making this video.
Same it sounds a lot like what i went through. I was either bullied or had to become one of the bullies. Nobody cared what happened to me
As someone going through the process of being diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder I know what it's like. My parents were abusive and I was bullied so often at school so I would go to school be thrown up against lockers and belittled for being akward and then go home and be screamed at for not doing the dishes on time by my father while my mother thought and tried to kill herself twice. For a few years I had a phase where I hated everyone and did awful things to people who thought I was a friend. Even tried to capture animals at one point for god knows what reason. Eventually I found someone who helped me, but I always worry if I was a few steps away from being something evil and beyond redemption. I would love to chat about it with someone as understanding as this man.
I can't get over Azeal just slowly rising at the end to give a hug
I love hugs
jesse there is no time for hugs we need to cook
*what I find funny about this.. is that the schools constantly say “oh we’ll change! We’re gonna crack down on bullying!” But they never do.. it’s something I’ve noticed that all schools seem to do this. They just lie about saying they’ll fix things but... they never do.*
*it’s good how there’s ways to heal after such pain and that people are able to see the extent of what they’re doing. The result of not holding your promises. I’m not diagnosed, but I know this story all too well... I’ve just not hit this limit.. I hope that who ever this lad is, that they are doing well. It’s rough but relatively survivable.*
yeS,,,, and then when they fail to do what they promised and someone is now no longer with them they're like "i wish we saw the signs"
no you saw the signs, you were informed about the signs, you witnessed the signs first-hand, and yet you did jack fucking shit about the signs----
I went through a school that had a "zero tolerance" policy.
The only thing they had zero tolerance for was self defense.
They'd say "if you're being bullied, tell a teacher!" But if you tell a teacher the teacher would literally go to the kid and be like "hey Sally told me you called her names, come with me... Now, apologise to Sally. Good. Go on with your day" and the bully gives a sarcastic "SoRrY" and then as soon as the teacher is gone, bullies you even worse for being a tattle tale.
But then if you DARE to defend yourself, THEY go crying to the teacher like "MISS she called me a name!!" And then suddenly YOU'RE the one at risk of suspension.
@@jadecoolness101 big yikes,,,,
it's always when you decide to defend yourself that they step in, and because you fought back you're now the person in trouble
is2g schools are enabling bullying behavior because "oh they just like you"
bruh this isn't an anime they aren't a "tsundere" where they hurt someone to hide their feelings, they legitimately harmed someone that's not affection THAT'S ACTUAL HARM
but no we're obv the one in the wrong because we decided to fight back to save ourselves yeah that makes sense /s
@@iijel0e This is why I always feel like doing nothing is better.
At least most kids will learn to stand up for themselves.
When there's "zero tolerance" all that happens is kids feel helpless because they fear punishment from the school.
@@iijel0e that’s the thing. They keep fucking saying they’ll do something about it, making empty fucking promises only AFTER The thing has happened and even after that words are just spoken it’s so bullshit
I am learning to become a psychologist, and from what I can understand from him, he’s not that bad on the scale of sociopathism, but I do feel really bad for him because sociopaths, psychopaths, schizophrenics, ect. Don’t show up until around the age of 22, so for him to be in education and him snap like that, it really shows how much pressure was put on him, and from the looks of it, he was guilt tripping himself to stay alive, he was saying it was for his pet, I do believe that but I also think he was waiting for the end, he was waiting for the light at the end of the tunnel, and the fact that he didn’t go through with his plans regardless if he was caught is quite surprising, usually getting caught makes a sociopath want to go through with their plans more and quicker, which can be dangerous if not well monitored, all in all this dude is great, he has awsome self control and is very self aware, I hope everything good comes his way and he doesn’t suffer any more
As someone who went through a very similar bullying situation and response, I don't think this guy is a sociopath. Making that list of names was not the way to go, and he realizes that in retrospect. When you're bullied so relentlessly and not a single role model or adult figure (the people who are supposed to help and keep you safe. The people you're supposed to be able to trust) does anything about it, you get angry, because it feels like the whole world has abandoned you. It feels like there's no goodness or hope or justice in anything, and when you feel like that, it makes you desperate and it makes you hate everyone and everything for betraying you. Being bullied like that is an awful, soul destroying ordeal.
I meant to add, going through mistreatment like that is enough to turn anyone into an extremely violent and angry person.
this just shows sociopaths isn't the terrible people, it others that turn them into that kind of person
Honestly, I understand and empathize with you. Growing up I had bullies too. And instead of stepping in or doing anything, many of the adults in my life just told me to grow up and stop crying, or get hard to it. Now, in my adulthood, I just learned to turn off my emotions, almost like a safety mechanism; and now the same family members see me be stoic at times and are almost put off.
I'm not emotionless, I have friends, game, play DND, have fun and laugh or get sad when watching tvs or TH-cam videos; just when dealing with fussing family members or other trying situations with people, I just learn to switch that side of me off.
As a tech on a psych ward, I sympathize for this person. Too many times have I heard stories of people becoming suicidal because of bullying and a lot of other way too common issues
I was filled with a seething hatred imagining his bullying situation, cause I can imagine myself in his exact situation. It's never quiet been that bad for me but I always get bullied then when I get any sort of upset I end up being the one getting scolded.
same, I can't even imagine how terrible it must be when it gets that bad..
Not gonna lie, that hug at the end od the video was the most beautiful and touching thing ive seen in a long time, I may have shed a tear there, well done!
I like how in the ending Azeal slowly gets higher like in a barber chair!😂
would give this person such a big hug, he didn't deserve the treatment of these children.
FYI: Psychopathy is not necessarily the same thing as 'sociopathy', because 'Sociopathy'(ASPD) can be diagnosed as an actual mental illness, in other words a mental disorder/neurodivergence. Psychopathy, on the other hand, is a combination of mental traits--examples: having ASPD as well as general emotional detachment from anything around them, except their goal. A common trait that makes it easy for anyone to differentiate the two is that 'sociopaths' can sometimes care for animals,
psychopaths--on the other hand, do not. Along with several other traits to help differentiate these two categories, Psychopaths are--in basic terms--a more dangerous to society version of sociopaths. As well as the other traits in addition to also having the traits of anti-social personality disorder, it is much more difficult for them to understand empathy, and therefore, even more difficult than someone with ASPD to genuinely understand others.(I'm not trying to say those with ASPD don't struggle as much, as a matter of fact, they likely struggle more, the simple evidence to this fact would be that if/once someone is diagnosed with ASPD, they--in essence--have to completely change their way of life, or be deemed an outcast by those around the diagnosed--who do not know their situation/do not care for their situation).
PS: I put 'sociopathy' in quotes because of how it is currently used as a pop-culture term for the real name for an actual form of a disorder, but since psychopathy is a conglomerate of traits, it(technically speaking) cannot be considered one disorder, and I'm fairly certain the term is not an official diagnosis used either--currently.
want clear examples of the two:
Greg (sociopath) and Manny (Psychopath) Hefley from Diary of a Wimpy Kid
It's probably best to drop use of sociopathy in general, since it's not considered synonymous with ASPD by professionals.
Still popular and functionally interchangeable in colloquial use, of course, but considered inaccurate and stigmatized.
I was diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder during my teenage years, and I enjoy taking care of animals. Always have. Though it's not all animals and when I was younger, I did some pretty horrible things to animals I didn't care about. I didn't develop any empathy until much later in life and I still do not have much at all. I've been severely injured several times and had serious vomiting issues due to heavy metal poisoning that lasted a decade. It's improved, but I won't ever be completely fine. I believe suffering tremendously myself has led me to a place of logical understanding for the physical pain I can inflict on others. I can't really relate to hurting people emotionally very well though. I'm 35, single and live by myself. I rescue street cats though and currently take care of 9. Seeing cats in physical pain REALLY bothers me for some reason. Though I often have intense urges to kill dogs that are being aggressive. I'm still not entirely sure what's wrong with me, I've always had intense anger issues and at times I can be completely heartless and other times I want to be a good person. I've been diagnosed with A LOT of different things throughout my life, and I really don't understand how things could change so much with time.
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How did you acquire heavy metal poisoning? If you know the source, exactly, and at which age range?
@@baitposter I was accidentally poisoned by lithium when i was in the military at 18. I'm actually a 100% disabled veteran now because of it.
I was an angry kid growing up and was always attacking my younger brother out of frustration or just because he ticked me off for something stupid. My mother admitted me to a psyc hospital a couple of times. I went to two and I found I could play the first by just being "normal" for a week. The second had me stay for 5 months 28 days. I am not personally sure how much it helped me but after my time there I began my own self reflection in middle school, like 8th grade or something, and in doing this my own mind had a different kind of snap. It was not out of anger or frustration but one brought about by thinking about how I remember things. I became more aware of myself at the cost of most of my memories prior to that point. I am not saying it reduced the amount of anger in me but it did allow me become more aware of it and search for methods to vent it in a way that would be less destructive to those around me. I am 25 now and have learned over the years a few ways to vent it or control it. Recognizing I am frustrated is the hardest part but being able to do that and take a moment to calm myself has been the best thing i have learned. As for venting, going to a secluded place and channeling it into a good yell helps tremendously. If I had not had the help of the psychyatrists and the "reflection-snap" then I would likely be a different person than who I am today. I still need work on a few things but who doesn't? I do not know the whole story with you and do not need to know. I just wish you the best and am happy that you are able to keep going.
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Jesus fuck. This guy had every experience i had in school, minus getting expelled… & they treat him as if he were the problem. I fucking hate our school system. 😒 If he’s anything like me, & it sounds a lot like it, he’s not a sociopath- he’s just fucking done with BS.
As someone who as a kid in school was constantly bullied for many years for no real reason that I can remember at least, my heart goes out to this young man here. I never had it to nearly the level or degree he suffered through, but seriously shame on all the adults at that school especially that never listened to him the multitude of times he would report what was going on time and time again. I am glad you was able to have the courage and strength to tell us your story man, thank you so much for being able to share it with us!!
This story is very relatable, its hard knowing about your past and getting over it, im glad this guy is alright know :).
love the honest talk in the video but can i bring up how stigmatizing it actually is to call people psychopaths? as they stated, the term is often used to describe "evil people" and it just completely demonizes people like this person who are just going through extremely rough circumstances and taking actions that were perceived to help/defend themselves. and this portrayal of people with aspd (antisocial personality disorder, which is what "sociopathy" describes) is so misleading, as commonly used as it is it still causes harm to those just trying to seek help in their own ways.
as someone with a personality disorder too, its just very discouraging to see so many people in the community be rejected from mental health services, being told we will never be "fixed", and constantly being hated on and shunned even by those who are supposed to be our loved ones. i like that this video brings awareness to the unspoken suffering this person along with the cluster b communitys experiences, but we need to destigmatize terms like sociopath, psychopath, narcissist, etc to allow these people to receive the proper help and support they deserve. and the fact they were most likely misdiagnosed just proves the damage it causes: failing to understand the root of the problem.
i hope im making sense idk i just see everyone think some people are "better" than those who dont have more control over their symptoms, as theyre seen as more "violent" and "evil" when in reality our struggles are the same, just in differing severities. a common cold could go away in a day or two when someone else could need 5 days, for example.
totally agree, the stigmatization definitely makes you wonder if some fresh terminology would make for a healthier conversation.
I get where your coming from… however I would like to make note of the fact, that from experience, psychopaths are for whatever reason not currently understood by science predisposed to negativity. As you said this doesn’t make the people evil, but different stats are definitely being used.
How else do we destroy the notion that psyco/sociopaths are evil than by talking about it and them they way they are, the way it is, a terminology for a mental sickness, not a sinonim for evil
I believe this kind of thing is good, many people will click on this video expecting the talker to be an absolute monster, devoid of reason or emotion and deplorable for it
But they will instead see that life is not a movie and that is not a reality
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Sorry to play devil's advocate here but as someone whom has an uncle whom is a diagnosed sociopath, they only act nice and stuff to manipulate people.
Most often than not it's because you have something they need for their own personal goals. In this case it appears this man wanted fame and popularity. Which seemed to have worked. Albeit, for only a short time.
Sociopaths might not be evil or monsters, but they are damn manipulative and often twist the truth in a way that makes them hide their flaws and undesirable qualities.
Which is why when talking to a sociopath you shouldn't fully trust what they have to say unless they give evidence to support their claims.
Nahhh. The word is to refer to someone who is lacking empathy. If you are lacking as tho you are lacking empathy.. you are acting like a psychopath. That's soft stuff is what creates mental illness in the first place. No one is saying anything bad about psychopaths when referring to someone acting as tho they have no empathy. Gtfo
I can’t even imagine what that must’ve been like but mad props to them being open about this and talking about it
My heart broke when he began crying. That just showed how much he was dealing inside with all of it.
The hug at the end was so sweet after all of that. It legit made me cry it sad that there are many people who have to go through stuff like this.
I relate to him so, so much. A lot of what happened to him also happened to me: the constant bullying, school not doing any shit, the suicide thoughts, a dumb (but still good) reason to not do it, the blame for defending yourself, the mental snap (for me it was just starting fights really easily), a week of not functioning as a proper human, therapy (for me I literally begged for months to start therapy), and maybe a lot of tangents and common ground that I can't put my finger on exactly.
Seeing him in what state he is, I see myself in him. I just understand his whole pain. And I hope he is doing well and I hope that, if I do get diagnosed with sociopathy, it's high functioning like him. Because in the end, we are broken people by horrible humans during years of trauma and aggression (bullying).
I'm only 9 minutes in, but Jesus Christ, honestly, I'm both impressed and feel sad for him. While I maybe not be a sociopath, I wouldn't have ignored it, I'd be swinging, to protect the kid. I don't get how the only thing teachers do is ignore the situation....only until someone actually does something right, they need to grow up, a kid took his own life for Christ sake!
This is getting me so ticked off
Just finished it, I'd be willing to be his friend, and I do get the whole moral compass thing, Autism isn't actually easy with it, it guides you, but makes it more harder to understand, it goes through a more difficult route
doesnt really take much to understand just needs imagination
could be the adult is lazy to complete imcompetence, since many kids are doing in you "go with the flow" and just say he deserved it for being different, and as of the kids a tribal mentality of snuffing the odd one out. And one could say its also their parents fault for never correcting their behavior and now they are gonna have families who will also not correct this behavior in their kids
Thank you for this story. I really appreciate you sharing it despite it being so hard to do. I'm really glad you have people in your life to support you. My heart goes out to you
I'm no mental health expert but I'm also of the belief that every system this poor dude has been in has failed him. How the hell is someone expected to have empathy for others when it was never modelled for them? I've been around genuine sociopaths as well and the shaking in his voice and the genuine care he shows to the people who genuinely care for him are not at all markers of sociopathy.
I really, really hope he seeks out a second opinion on that diagnoses. It sounds like he was a scapegoat for the adults that didn't want to deal with the actual problem.
He seemed to agree with the diagnosis 😂 but good opinion. We will put it on the fridge dont worry 😭
@rambunctiousvegetable If I remember correctly, you were being called arrogant because you implied that people with ASPD are inherently bad people towards the end, which you're kinda continuing to do in my opinion.
@@bigmanbarry2299 just because he agrees with the diagnosis doesn't mean it's accurate?? he could've been easily gaslit.
I had only brief encounters with sociopaths and they were never good. This person showed me that there is another way. This is a huge inspiration. Thanks.
I'm so happy that they got the therapy they needed and that it helped them.
I am pretty sure a partner of mine has ASPD or psycopathy, I met someone who is diagnosed with very similar personality traits and habits to my partner, neither of them are violent though. Sometimes my partner needs to release "the valve," if you will, and will get a bit chaotic/shit lordy, but never violent and never cruel. Emotions are not my partners strong suit however, they are extremely logical and hate displays of intense emotion. My partner legitimately doesn't feel remorse, they were just raised with a strong upbringing and good morals so if they mess up and get told they messed up, they will take the nessicary steps "to fix it." Sometimes they do try to be subtly manipulative, but getting to their level and discussing things logically is usually a good way to steer them from that. People think others with ASPD and psycopathy can't be kind but they can be. They just struggle to understand emotion because they don't feel it to the same degree as most people.
A lot of people hearing this guy speak say he doesn't seem like he has ASPD or psycopathy because he shows a lot of emotion early on but he says something that I think does sound like what someone with this condition might have. "It's like your moral compass is asque." My partner says that too. Regardless of if he does or doesn't have it however, he didn't deserve the level of abuse he grew up with.
That incident should have been placed on the school. To have two children bullied to the point where lives get taken and endangered is a serious matter that should have been at the front of the schoolboards priority list. I don't fault this guy at all. I've been bullied to the point of no return as well and know how much I struggled during those times, so I have some idea what this guy went through. It's not okay that this keeps happening to children and the schools just keep letting it slide. No matter his health struggles, he did not deserve the neglect and the abuse from his school and all of the adults in his life. He's a human being and still deserves all the decency that others deserve. People with ASPD can still have normal healthy lives, they can still have healthy relationships, they can still work and do good for the world. They don't deserve this simply because they were born with a lack of empathy. They are still human beings, they still deserve kindness and compassion. I am glad this interviewer was so patient and hugged him. I hope he can find a better community and a better support network for his mental health. I wish I could hug him too.
this is the best comment in this comment section tbh
I'm sorry that happened, I've been bullied most my school life and only found a better spot after I reached highschool. It was a bit better but still hard since I'd been moving almost every year and got bullied for the same thing. I'm trying to find a way to get some help and such but I don't have any or many school memories that I'd say were good. I hope the people you've found will help you and I wish you good luck and many hugs and love!
This story is so sad, no one should have to go through that
I’m glad he seems to be doing okay and is able to talk about this, best wishes to him and his friends and partner
I'm Empathetic and that's too much for me to handle to see someone who went through so much, that person is a survivor...and I'm here to learn from this and to prevent situations like those happen, I'll will not let this repeat onto another person
It’s interesting to hear his story. My Mom has said my father may have antisocial personality but he’s undiagnosed. He has the same mentality of “What’s the quickest way to solve my problems?”