Passing the MSF Course Skills Test
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- Showing you the 4 skills tests that you need to pass at the end of the MSF course. Some states do things a little different than what I show here, but it is basically the same. This was the MSF course in New Jersey. Please click LIKE and SUBSCRIBE!
very simple and detailed explanation, watching this video made me feel a lot less nervous about getting my motorcycle license ! thank uu !!
I'm glad to hear that. Thank you and good luck!
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Can’t stress how important it is to STAY CALM, like the man said. If you’re freaking out about each exercise and stiffening up, your riding is gonna suck. I passed by making myself chill out, and it’s not easy but you can do it. Any day of riding is a good day, remember? So have fun! :)
Exactly how I find myself, even during practicing.. I hate tests and end up shutting down. I have to get off my bike to stretch and take some breaths, calm down so I can focus and go again.
I just started riding on dirt bikes... once I got used to it I found I was able to keep my hands and arms a lot more loose instead of death gripping the bars.... it helped a lot.. went riding some trails yesterday, and it was some of the most fun I've had in my life.
I failed out of mine on the first range day in 1 1/2 hours...couldn't find Neutral, couldn't feel the friction zone, nearly dumped the bike on the ground twice, goggles fogged up to where I couldn't see, and by the time the break between exercises came around I was shaking so badly the instructor had me sign a form asking me not to continue, for safety's sake. It was the first time I'd EVER been in command of a motorcycle myself--no previous experience, unlike the rest of the class. So, my cousin is teaching me now, and when the time comes I'll take the class again.
+Alonzo Branson How are you coming along now bro?
Ogre Doug I've gotten registered for a beginner rider class at the end of July. This time I should do a lot better. Didn't have enough money to register for another class last year to try again.
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Well good luck to you man, just relax and focus on what you gotta do to ride. Where do you live. The course is free where I live
Ogre Doug
Ogre, last year it was $199, but this year it's $75. I live in Indiana, and am taking the class through ABATE of Indiana.
Alonzo Branson well good luck man. I wonder why some states charge and others don't
Thank you for explaining so well. It's way less stressful when you know what you're getting into. Taking this course today and tomorrow, hopefully will pass now that I know what I need to do!
Howd it go?
@@cyrusbastankhah576 Must of failed🤣😂
@@terrywatts1060 and you must have failed your English class. Jk
@@dublethetruble4620 😂🤣
How did it go???? Lol
Just to clarify - the current iteration of the MSF course is different to what is described here. Regardless, this explanation of the points system is incorrect. There is NOT a limit of 5 points per exercise. A fail on the skills evaluation is NOT 20 points, it is less than that.
As a student please do not focus on points accumulation, rather focus on learning the skills on the range. If you do not pass the first time around please don't think of it as failure. It just means that you need some more practice to become more competent with basic riding skills. Some riding schools provides a free retest of the skills eval so don't sweat it. Safety is #1 for every school and the course is designed to ensure that successful students have at least the basics down before they head out on the road on their own. If you don't get through the skills eval the first time it just means you haven't attained that minimum level yet.
Even if you get through, please please please remember that you're only a novice motorcycle rider. Practice and improve your skills on your own - especially quick stops and swerving. It should be easy for anyone to buy a few cones, find an empty parking lot and practice! Old tennis balls cut in half also make great markers in a pinch.
Good luck out there!
Nick
MSF RiderCoach
It’s 20 points total for passing. Anything above that is a non-passing score. MSF Coach should know that.
You’re stupid shut up
Different states different rules.. Illinois was 12 points was fail. 3 stalls fail. Fall off fail. Its just different different places.
@@spdrcr60 No, it's not. You're clearly not an MSF RiderCoach and have no idea of the scoring criteria. 🙄 stay within your lane - leave the scoring to us certified, professional coaches
@@mx.e7972 Also wrong. If it's MSF, then that's the standard. There are NO exceptions
I passed the course on my first go but watching this video gets me back in that scary place I was in when I took it 😭😰😨
At least you never have to do it again! Unless you want to ;-)
Passed this course through Harley’s MSF class. I can’t stress enough how important it is to keep your head up and look where you’re going, I barely hit a cone turning 90 degrees from a stop and it haunts me that I got three points marked off because I knew to look up but I fixated on the cone and surely it costed me
took the same exact test, he explained it very well, great video.
+zico falcao Thanks!!
I loved my course,my instructor was cool and didn’t give a fuck. I passed my riding/written test.
I completely bombed my skills test 3 times, which was 3 points away from passing. First couple times riding a motorcycle. Also was in summer so the heat nearly killed me. My advice to people is never feel ashame to learn something the right way it might take awhile but its worth it. Completed a dream of mine learning how to ride a motorcycle.
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Thank you for being real! A lot of people are terrified of failing. But if it’s worth doing you should at least fail it once 😉 (unless you have no problem at all)
I bombed my first riding skills as well. Test anxiety, and personal pressure on myself, as well looking at dang cones to maneuver. Dang it. Retaking the skills test this coming Monday. Reminding myself "the bike goes where your head goes." And head up, look forward, and peripherals every day leading up to monday. Wish me luck.
@@allenmicheal8134 you got it no problem!!! All you gotta do is pass it once
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Like many have said, very simplified and detailed as far as what to expect, how you’re evaluated, and how much you really don’t need to stress about this. Thanks brother, taking my final test tomorrow
How did it go?
@@theprodigal7143 It went great! Everyone in my group passed. We had a monsoon happen halfway through our test and they eventually cancelled the last 30% of the test. It wasn’t bad at all. Nerves get to you, more than anything because that’s the one time where everyone is watching you. I did the figure 8s all day long and kept making the turns tighter and tighter with success. During the test, I dropped a leg down on a much bigger figure 8 just due to nerves. Don’t let it stress you out
5 failed when i took my course. I had a score of 1
Thanks so much for this video Jelly. I had my first day of the MSF course today and although it was my first ever time on a motorcycle, I felt really comfortable and confident, and had lots of fun. Hope I pass the skills test tomorrow!
I struggled with the U-turn really bad. Put my foot down which automatically gave me 5 points. Ended up passing with a total of 13 points (16 is failing) so just barely passed. Was a great experience overall though
Great Video. You are correct in that scoring for the 4 Skills Evaluations is a maximum of 20 points total for successful completion. One can accumulate more than 5 points per Skill Eval though. The U-Turn box is a max. of 8 points. Lots of students freak over the box, but it alone will not fail a person. For the 3 re-maiming evaluations one can accumulate a max. of 15 per eval. Score sheets are set to MSF Standards and should be the same nationwide for the MSF-BRC.
Thank you for the info and commenting!!
I passed mine today with a 100 percent completion I was shocked when we got back in the class room and he said I didn't mess up at all because the whole time I was completely scared of the u turn
First time on a motorcycle this past weekend and passed the test. This video helped ease me before going for my 2nd day. Did awful the first day but aced it the 2nd. Thanks
Good to hear! Get as much experience as you can
I’m here before my second day too. Needed something to ease my nerves before the riding portion 😂
I passed my MSF today. Dropped the bike before the test while in "The Box." Hit the line and probably even went out of the box on the test, but I aced the rest.
Just took my msf course through OSU today and passed. Was way more nervous than I should of been! Also, my instructor gave my group the answers to our written tests lol it was easy either way. Also, we had 6 skill test instead of four :-|
I had 5 in Texas
+Freddy Fmunoz Awesome! Some courses do one or two things different but they are basically the same. Let me know how you do
Took the class and passed. It helped me get my nerves on the bike in check and confidence way up. Now I am really comfortable on the bike now.
Nice video. Calm and informational unlike most moto vloggers. I'm taking the test tomorrow so this is helpful. Sadly it's supposed to rain for both days. So sad
Charter Con thanks for the kind words. Good luck! I hate riding in the rain.
Jelly currently awake at 5:45 AM, here's to hoping the rain lets up
I'm in the middle of a course thru our local Harley Davidson dealership and our day on the range today was spent in the rain. Nice steady Florida rain. So I can definitely understand why you don't like riding in the rain. Lol
How did it go?
Just passed in florida
I don’t know the points system. But eg. If each section had 10 points and there were four sections, that’s 40 points total. Losing less than 20 points would be more than a 50% pass. Go figure.
I liked the video. I’m in WA and here it was a 2 day riding followed by 1 day classroom. I would have liked some riding on the actual road instead of a parking lot, but what you get probably varies depending on location.
My first course, I was deemed unsafe and encouraged to leave the second day. The second course, I failed with... 32 points. I bought a cheap used 250 and have been practicing everyday, and I've seen such an improvement in my skills. I think for some people this comes very easily, especially if you have any prior experience, but others like me it takes a few times. I have severe performance anxiety, and I pretty much spent most of the class in a low key panic attack. Also to add, I have scoliosis so I have to angle myself in an unusual way to get a tight right turn. But this is my dream, and I won't give up.
One thing I *hated* was how close people would get behind you, the one guy couldn't stop in time and would always stop right next to your tire. I was already freaked out, and I kept telling them I would slap them if they got that close to me out in the real world. Luckily, I uh, wasn't there to make friends.
Michelle - keep practicing those skills and then go retake the course. You should sail through. If another student is making you nervous, let a RiderCoach know quietly so they can keep an eye out for specific behavior and address when necessary. We aim to make sure the environment is as stress free for EVERY student. Good luck!
Did you eventually get your license?
yeah im sure telling strangers youre going to slap them really helped your situation
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Does a person need to know how to use a clutch in order to take the ride test? I HOPE NOT!! The whole reason why i want to ride, is because there are 150-300cc scooters out there that have no clutch, that can go highway speeds! To me thats what makes it exciting to want to ride a bike. A clutch is a huge turn off for me!
>I do not want to learn how to use a clutch, and I do want my motorcycle endorsement!<
If a clutch is the only thing that existed on a bike, I would never be interested in wanting to ride. But the times have dramatically changed! Now there are so many CVT bikes that is becoming a very big category within the motorcycle arena. I have seen so many youtube videos, and there are a ton of new riders out there that want absolutely nothing to do with a clutch bike! And I’m the same way! Why would we want to take a test at the DMV on a 500cc clutch bike, when that is not even a bike that we are not interesting in owning!!!??
All I want is a scooter that is 150-300cc. And Honda & Yamaha has a lot of great options! In Minnesota, a scooter that size is considered an actual motorcycle. According to Minnesota laws. Which means I should be able to test on that scooter as well, in order to get my motorcycle endorsement.
Are the DMV laws out of date for new riders???
This helped me pass with a perfect score today! Good job, thank you! One thing they changed (may be state to state), but we didn't have to do a completely figure 8 in the U-turn box for the exam (exercises we did). We just needed to do one U-turn to the left and come to a stop with front tire in a white box. Doesn't matter, I could have done the figure 8 if they wanted; your advice helped calm my nerves!
I have no idea if my test will have a figure 8 or just a u-turn. I'm practicing both.
@@mtrotter325 Good idea! Regardless they have you do the full figure 8 during the exercises so you'll be prepared regardless. My best advice is always look to where you want to turn the bike, your body will do the rest. Don't overthink it and you'll be fine! Not being afraid to lean the bike is also a plus.
I get nervous anxiety about things,this made me feel more comfortable an confident I can do it,an remind myself If i go first to breathe an just be like was driving around an people checking out my bike,which people love to ask questions when I'm stopped or have parked like when getting gas or stopping at local Walmart about my bike,how fast is it,how much was it,what's the ccs,an so forth.
Texas is a two day class, 16 1/2 hour total class time over the two days.
When I took mine this passed weekend it was 16 points to fail. Maybe that a texas thing.
@Crazed Monk ... that's also how it is in Texas. You don't have to take the MSF course..
When my sister took the class they said something like one person in 300 fails. There was a chick in her class that failed. I don't know what she did.
Thanks for the tips! I've got the MSF testing portion tomorrow, so these tips definitely help.
derkasan Good Luck! Let me know how it went. You'll do great
Jelly I passed! Didn't have to do the box, but I had to do a weave on top of the other stuff you mentioned. Thought I screwed up when I put my foot down during the weave, but I made up for it by aceing the emergency stop.
Thanks again for the video! If I ever meet you in person, I owe you a beer.
derkasan Awesome! Glad you didn't have to do that stupid box and that you passed! I'm glad the video helped and hope you subscribe. Be safe
Everybody in my class passed, however the test was much more difficult than his. Mine was also in NJ
Wow, I been looking around youtube for a good video on this subject and I played this one I said to myself...WOW this by far is the best explained video on the MSF course! Thank you, you should have way more subscribers. Anyway I'd like and subscribed. Again thank you !!!
JR BORIQUA7 Thank you so much! I'm looking forward to making new videos once it warms up. Stay tuned. Thanks for taking the time to comment
When I took my msf course last year (I was 17 at the time) I was super excited and loved going quick. For one of my test we had to accelerate to I think around 15-20mph and then stop quickly before a given point. My dumbass went about 25 mph then in order to stop in the given distance I had to brake hard. My rear tire locked a bit I slid a bit. Didn't know side or anything kept the bike up fine. Passed with flying colors other than crossing the line by .01 inches on the figure 8 box test and locking my rear. To be fair to me tho I took my msf at a Harley dealership and the bikes there were a pretty decent size. Not some 125cc
Harley dealership gave me an r3 to take my test
I had to ride one of their TINY sportsters and I’m 6’-5”. The instructors apologized to me several times throughout the course because the ergonomics for a guy my size (I’m not fat) were just really bad and made it a lot more difficult being hunched up. I ended up passing but I was sore for a couple of days after. I now ride a cruiser which is soooo much easier. I can even do the box on my 23 year old carb HD softail. It’s kinda fun actually to do that one on your own in an empty parking lot. Practice practice practice. Safe riding!
They did not put you on a ‘tiny sportster’. They put you on a gutless street 500. The last thing they are going to do is put people on a top heavy sportster to learn slow speed maneuvers with. The HD Softail is an easy bike to learn on and ride.
Thanks for posting this. Last year I tried to do the msf course and completely lost all confidence within 2 hours that I could do this. I had dropped the bike twice, was wobbly when first getting going, couldn't do the maneuvers well, couldn't shift gears well. During the first break I voluntarily removed myself from the class and ran home with my tail between my legs and felt so terrible. The next week I went out and bought a motorcycle off of Craigslist and practiced in a nearby parking lot for a few weekends and got the basics down. Even after all this I was nervous about taking the msf again because I didn't want to look like a dumbass and fail the course on the test but this has given me the confidence to try again.
Did you pass?
That’s not unusual. A lot of msf course riders are total newbs and so was I. What threw me off and distracted me for much of skills portion was the clutch, shifter, throttle coordination. It’s best to practice before taking the course to kinda get those down so you can focus on the skills. I actually took the msf course twice. The first time right before Covid when I was about to buy a bike which got delayed once Covid shut everything down for almost two years. The second time was a lot easier. Practice Practice Practice and you’ll be fine in time. I rode around my neighborhood a couple days a week for about a month before I got over the butterflies of going out in traffic on highways as city streets. Haven’t looked back and love every minute of it. Safe riding bro.
I took the MSF class in the mid 90s and thought it was a very good class. I haven't ridden in 25 years. I bought a new bike and the muscle memory had faded but it's coming back. I downloaded the MSF manual and my state's motorcycle guide and will work my way through both of them, and will do the MSF practical exam (and a bit more) in a vacant parking lot.
Dude, the best video ever on the MSF test - very well detailed and through - thanks
Why the heck can't you just study the book and pass the course, just as with driving a car? Why should anyone with prior experience be forced to shell, out $250?.
It's $250 well spent.. there's more they can teach you in 2 days than you'll learn on your own in a year.. STUPID WILL GET YOU KILLED, DON'T BE STUPID AND THINK YOU KNOW MORE OR WILL LEARN MORE FROM A BOOK.
Taking my class at the end of this month. I'm new to riding, and hopefully I should do good and pass the class, and this video definitely put me at ease because I know what to expect now. Thanks!
Josh, you will do great and have a blast. Your class may do a thing or two different but it is generally what to expect. If you are not subscribed please subscribe! I have a few videos for new riders. Thanks for taking the time to write.
The class itself is a great way to learn proper handling skills-BUT- I took the BRC in a parking lot with markings and lines all through out it-where the instructors set up 2 inch high faded orange and green cones, that under bright sun light are hard to differentiate- especially with a parking lot covered in a variety of multi colored markings(that serve no purpose) which it made it difficult to follow whatever pattern of the course you needed to navigate. I have been riding a 50 cc scooter for nearly 4 years, to and from work.-and recently bought a 150 cc-hence the need for the class. I controlled the scooter I was assigned without any difficulty-but struggled the first hour in seeing the patterns-My instructor at one point screamed at me "Don't you understand English.?" I'm 58, with an associates degree- I've never felt so disrespected.
That sucks when you are so wet behind the ears of riding a motorcycle and an instructor treats you like a kid. Sorry that happened. I would have made a report to the company, etc. About that instructors behavior, and how it is bad to have in a learning environment.
Thank you so much! I am in vegas and today is my 3rd and last day of the course. I am so nervous as day 2 was my first time on a bike. I clearly need more practice and am so worried about failing today. I stalled a million times yesterday but never dropped the bike. This is good info to keep me out of my head today and just keep pushing forward. Thank you!!
Michelle Desoto good luck!
Good luck hope it went well for you. I did mine last weekend to.
Did you pass? Do you ride now?
This sounds like kwebblekop if you know him
Thank you for this video, this really calmed my nerves down. I am taking the course this weekend!
I’m sorry to say, but you can absolutely fail. If you don’t do the exercise they way they mention they will fail you, but then again, I took my class in Massachusetts and the teachers were very strict and impatient. I’ve finally got my permit and motorcycle and will be practicing on my own until I retake the course, but to say you can’t fail is a bit misleading, but thank you for the video on what to expect.
Jelly you are the best man thank you a lot.
You're welcome!
Here's the truth about the MSF course. They put you on a tiny little motorcycle and teach you the very basics of how to operate that tiny motorcycle. The test is so easy, you'd have to be an uncoordinated idiot to fail it. But, if you do fail, but you have a real desire to learn to ride, take it again. If you fail it the 2nd time, find another safer hobby like sky diving because 2 wheels aren't for you. Next, if your the kind of car driver who has a lot of close calls, DON'T ride a motorcycle. If you pass the MSF test, you are NOT ready to ride in traffic even on a tiny motorcycle. Spend at least another 10 hours practicing what you learned, in a parking lot BEFORE going out on the road. Don't buy anything bigger than 250cc's for at least 5000 miles of on road riding. Then, take an advanced course before getting a bigger bike. If you fail the advanced course, keep practicing and take it again, before getting anything bigger.
Thank you for the point explanation. Been an introvert myself im pretty nervous of group classes. Im taking mine in a month Thanks!
Hello fellow introvert
@@dublethetruble4620 hello! I actually made it and have been riding since!
Knocked out everything today, in the cold rain too. Super excited!
The figure 8 box is the stupidest evaluation ever. What difference does it make if you put your foot down or not? What are we testing here? Parade skills? When do you ever need to do this? Never.
Negotiating a decreasing radius turnk from highway speeds would be more pertinent.
sevenrats U turns.
They say too putting your foot down increases your chances of breaking an ankle.
I agree with you though.
Many people have trouble with slow speed stuff, and I believe the majority of accidents happen at pretty low speeds.
To show you have control of the bike at low speeds?
In my country these tests are a lot harder, they have to be done on a heavy bike (~600cc), you can't fail any of them and they have to be done twice, otherwise you won't get a licence. We also have to do a ~45 minute ride on public roads with a trailing instructor in varried conditions to demonstrate we are capable of handling real scenarioes. In addition to that we have 10+ hours of obligatory driving lessons. All of that because they don't want unskilled riders on the road, obviously cause that's not safe for them or anyone else.
Litego what country is this?
Norway. A nasty side effect is that the motorcycle license costs a minimum of 3000 USD.
Litego: Dont forget the obligatory trackday :)
The class itself is a great way to learn proper handling skills-BUT- I took the BRC in a parking lot with markings and lines all through out it-where the instructors set up 2 inch high faded orange and green cones, that under bright sun light are hard to differentiate- especially with a parking lot covered in a variety of multi colored markings(that serve no purpose) which it made it difficult to follow whatever pattern of the course you needed to navigate. I have been riding a 50 cc scooter for nearly 4 years, to and from work.-and recently bought a 150 cc-hence the need for the class. I controlled the scooter I was assigned without any difficulty-but struggled the first hour in seeing the patterns-My instructor at one point screamed at me "Don't you understand English.?" I'm 58, with an associates degree- I've never felt so disrespected.
I have just done my motorcycle license in Italy. I work in Germany and I know how the test is done here as well. I have to say that this MSF course is really easy..! They test you for super basic skills at max 17mph in a parking lot, with something which looks bit more like a bicycle, after which you are allowed to ride a CB1000R on the streets. Now I understand a bit more why there are so many additional safety and riding classes in the US..!
The concern is that only the msf is mandatory. Im flabbergasted at how easy this is compared to the uk with the cbt, mod1,mod2 in three separate categories
My biggest fear is dropping the bike when accelerating through curves
not sure about the points system but the tst is exactly the same here in PA. Just completed mine last weekend. this is a very useful video
Rob Lochard Thanks for commenting
Watching this video you put a lot of my fears to rest. Pretty much impossible to fail the test
Glad to hear! Thanks
I'll be taking the PA course in 2 weeks, but have never ridden a motorcycle. Do they give total newbies enough practice time to get the hang of it?
@@packgrog no. not at all. failed , and instructors didnt give any real coaching, just here you go do this, no real correction, no real help. feel like i wasted an entire weekend to this mess, bikes too small for my body, so my feet fold pegs every start, then the instructor is bitching about looking at feet even though the fucking pegs are folded. not a good experience. not sure if i will try to test again, no bike to practice with, just this bullshit class...
Hello Jelly
My name is Danny and I am from Ontario Canada in our motorcycle test if you go over 11 points you fail and we have 8 exercises to complete. thank you for posting this video
This is a little old but in Oregon you have 5 tests which are basically the same. The only one extra is weaving through a set of cones which can be tricky much more tricky than the stop thing. I have had my endorsement for years but still took the test about 20 years ago when I actually bought my first bike. I have a friend I am working with to get her license so I like to watch these so I can be a better teacher :)
Same here in WA. There is approx. 10 ft from T start to the first cone of the weave in WA state test. Was intimidating, because during the learning part of the class. we were able to have a longer stretch of riding before entering the cone weave.
Illinois offer 3 days(Thursday pm classroom, weekend 2 long days)
I did weekday 4 days, 8am till 1. Takes more days, but still same hours.
pop a wheelie Hahahahahaha
You have really helped me destress a bit. I use a semi automatic scooter myself. (Honda 2020 125c Super Cub). Due to it not being similar to a motorcycle, i had to learn a lot of new things. My class is tomorrow and im stoked to get it all done and over with. The only thing im worried about is my foot to peg coordination is off. So having to kick a stick up and down within 5 seconds will be challenging for me. My Super Cub has 2 sticks instead of the 1 a motorcycle has.
Is anyone going to mention the guys head at 5:18?
Jakecycle lol. I never noticed. Who knows what was going on there.. Nice catch!
In Texas my course only allowed 16 points. I had trouble with the u turn within 20 feet and because both tires went outside the line, I got an automatic 10 points. Such BS.
Wish I would have watched this before I took my course..I was so nervous but it wasn't that hard. The Box was kind of weird because I've never ridden before, but the course was fun and pretty easy. Good video
Cooper Anderson thanks!
Very well done, informative video.
I watched it because a friend of mine was "asked to leave" the MSF course without a refund because he "wasn't getting it" (they failed to teach him).
With 35 years of riding to my credit- everything from a Vespa scooter to a gsxr 1100, to my current Moto Guzzi v11 sport- across multiple countries (some driving on the left)- I don't believe that I could pass the figure 8 or the box. What's more, it seems to serve no purpose other than making riders nervous. The only time one would turn that tight at such low speed would be in a parking lot; In which case, there's no reason whatsoever that you couldn't put your foot down.
I'm so glad I never had to take this course.
I really like how you did this video I looked through so many videos and they don't explain anything and they never show how they did the maneuvers
+jeff Shannon Thanks Jeff! That is the main reason I went into the MSF course with the intent to make this video the way I made it. I was not able to find exactly what I wanted. I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
Finally a MSF course deal that DOESN'T have bad piercing ringing sound
lol
And after they are done they have to rely on TH-cam to figure out "How to (counter) steer a motorcycle" and "How to perform an emergency brake on your motorcycle". So here the US are in the stone age compared to most European countries.
Absolutely, I'm amazed that you can wobble around a car park and buy a 200mph motorcycle. Jaw droppingly bad.
Just took this test last week in NJ. It was a little different than what Jelly explained regarding the points. I am not proud of it but I did get a 20 and pass, however each skill test can be can be worth more than 5 points even if you don't drop the bike or do something dumb. so between the Box, swerve and quick stop, i only received 5 points, however for the Turn skill test I received 15 points. For anyone that might wonder how you can get 15 points on the turn test, it's all about speed and the inside outside inside technique. Following the Slow, Look, Press and Roll is very important. The thing i did wrong was I didn't Roll on my turns and I was slowing down on the turn. Main thing on this test is speed control. Good Luck!
Congrats on passing! Every place is a little different I guess but at least you passed
i passed the course last week... I'm 18 and it's by FAR the most stressful thing I've ever done
It is but when you start riding on a regular basis you are able to relax and focus on sharpening your skills like counter steering, breaking, slow speed turns and maneuvers and not worrying about the clutch, shifting, and the throttle. I’ve been riding about 18 months now and it gets a lot easier. Just focus, don’t panic, and don’t speed even if your friends do when you are just starting out. Give yourself some time to build your riding skills and you’ll be fine
Not all classes are like this.
I did a weekend class, (fri-sun).
Friday- we started riding. We spent 6:30-9 learning to ride.
Saturday- We spent 7-12 riding, with the test at around 1145. Everyone passed.
Saturday - we spent 1-4 doing book work and the written test. Everyone got 100%.
We didn't even come in sunday because everyone got 100% on both the riding and written exams. All classes vary and can be majorly different.
mine can give you 15 points for anticipating the stop in the fast braking, and you fail at 20 points total
This test is such a joke.
Here in the Netherlands you have to do more skills in tighter boxes. And also a test ride on public roads.
You have to prove that you are in control at any time.
Like learning a dog a few tricks and you can go. No wonder there are so many accidents with motorcycles.
My wife and I just took this test today in Alabama. It was a two day course. The final skills exam was 5 parts in ours, and even though everyone in our class passed, we were only allowed 16 points total. And I received 5 points on the U-Turn exercise just for putting my foot down once. The instructors were good about giving everyone the best possible chance to pass, but our version wasn't nearly this lenient. But we were still glad to see this video beforehand either way.
Glad to hear everyone did pass. I appreciate you taking the time to comment and to watch the video
6 years later, and I just went through my course this past weekend. Same deal, 5 events, 16 points. Everyone passed, but definitely not lenient as this channel's experience.
I passed the u-turn box part with no points. Was the only rider that did. Still got 15 on the rest, but I was a new rider so I was a bit nervous with some of the other skills. I recommend anyone about to take it to get a learners permit and start riding in parking lots first to familiarize yourself with the clutch breaks and throttle. Makes it a lot easier.
I am not sure how old this is, but if you get 16 your done. Example if you get 11 in part 1. You fail because 11 exceeds the amount of points your allowed to miss. So in the total box it's an automatic 16. If you drop your bike or stall it more than three times in any of obstacles, or your a safety issue to yourself or others your done.
The class I'm planning on taking in the fall is a MSF class, and it is $299. This class is in MA
Paul Brauer Good Luck! Tell me how is goes
+Paul Brauer woah! thats alot im from illinois and i only had to pay 20 bucks for the course ...im also taking the fall class ....and at the end of the class i get to either keep the 20 or donate it! but good luck man :)
SkyWolffy17 That's Crazy! It should be like that everywhere though. It would allow everyone to get to do the course which I think is important.
+Jelly RIGHT! tell me about lol XD
SkyWolffy17
where did u take your course?
Compare MSFC to Europe: 8 figures + approx.45 min driving test in the streets.
The figures (must be done flawlessly):
1) Push the bike backwards with 90 deg turn into the gates and back. Cannot touch the posts.
2) Fig. 8, cannot cross the line with either wheel.
3) Balance test (must cross approx. 10ft long ,1ft wide plank in its entirety without falling)
4) slow snake, 5 or 6? cones, must not touch the cones
5) emergency stop from accelerating to at least 32MPH., must stop in approx.30ft.
6) avoid obstacle with braking, acc. to at least 32MPH
7) avoid obstacle w/o braking, acc. to at least 32MPH
8) fast snake 20MPH, 7 cones some 20-25ft apart, must not touch cones, must not slow down below 20 MPH.
must pass all figures perfectly to be eligible to street test
If you pass figures (and that's one big IF), then -
Street test +-45 minutes riding in the streets, max 10 points for mistakes (you can get 4pts for speeding or going too slow, but also all the road signs can get you in every kind of trouble. Passed with 8pts (same as for my drivers license :P), one for going 45MPH in 60 MPH zone and the other for passing a cyclist when I did not have to). Was happy as a clam.
I'm really curious if there is any young people that attend this course? I'm 19 and nervous about being the only young one lol):
***** well over in NC when i took the class there was a 16 year old taking the class he struggled a little but passed the class
Harvey O. Mercado
damn, that really makes me feel better haha, I actually convinced one of my friends to go with me. Ill be fine I hope haha.
+ludwig lemus You should be fine, I can't say anything yet, but I'm taking the class soon, and I'm 17.
THESKINIMIN1234 haha thanks for the reply I actually passed it last week.
How was it?
Just found this video. Taking the course on March 28-29. $289 in Florida. Great video, great explanation. Thank you!!
Without a doubt the best TH-cam video of how to take/pass the MSF course I've seen. It was well organized; you actually showed all 4 skill tests; and more importantly, you showed how to pass all 4 -- with the caveat that as long as you don't drop the bike and you can pass at least 1 out of the 4 you're going to pass the course. That in itself helped me relax a lot because I start the course on Wednesday (2 days from now), finish it on Sunday, and I've been freaking out a little after watching a lot of the other videos. So many many thanks.
(I actually went out today to the test site (a local community college) to check out the layout of the school/classrooms, and also the test area. Of particular attention was "the box". It appears to be 20 feet wide, so since I don't have my scooter yet I measured out 20' on my street and did figure 8's on my sport hybrid bicycle. It was certainly do-able on my bike, and I hope as long as I go slow enough and go as wide as I can at the start of each turn of the figure 8 without going over the line that I should be okay. The rest of the course was a little hard to figure out but your video showed it very well.)
Thank you so much for your comments! Sounds like you are well prepared and believe me, once you are there doing it you will realize that it is a lot easier than it seems. I don't know where you are taking it but keep in mind your class may do some things differently as far as points and things, but you will have no problems passing. They really want you to pass and you should go into it without being nervous. You will do great! Good luck!
You're welcome.
I'm taking my test in Maryland. For now I'm only interested in riding a scooter (2015 Yamaha Smax; purchased already but waiting at the dealer until I get my certification) but they make you take the full motorcycle course. At first I was ticked off because you don't have to shift gears on a scooter. But the more I thought about it the more I liked the idea of at least learning how to shift a motorcycle because that opens up my options down the road in case I want to get a 300cc cycle (Honda CBR 300 ABS is looking real appealing to me).
And I know that they never require you to get the bike out of 2nd gear so 15-20 mph tops would seem to be about right throughout the whole course. And that's the speed I ride at on my bicycle. So I'm at least somewhat confident I can figure it all out. (And on my bike I'm locked into the clipless pedals and there's no way I can touch flat footed with even one foot on the ground; it's always tippy toe with my right leg at stops. So advantage motorcycle. And I don't have to worry about pedaling -- just twist the throttle.)
The thing that I think might take a while to adjust to is that on a bicycle both levers activate the brakes; there's no clutch on the left lever. So I'm pretty sure at first that I'll be expecting them to both be brakes until I get the hang of the left lever being the clutch and the right foot pedal being the rear brake. But they give you 6 hours the first day and I'm not sure how many hours of practice the 2nd day, so that should be enough to adjust. (Both days are 6 hours each but part of the second day is the testing. And then there's 3 hours on Wednesday and 3 hours on Thursday in the classroom.) I'll post back either way. But rest assured your video is a big help.
I wasn't sure how I was going to adjust to having a foot brake either but like anything else, you get used to it real fast. They spend a lot of time on braking because on the motorcycle the front brake is very strong and you have to be careful not to lock it up. You will get plenty of practice. Can't wait to hear how it goes!
I'm stoked!
Well...I went to the first teaching class last night. No biggie, but of the 24 people in the class at least 18 or more have already ridden motorcycles...some for over 30 years. So when it comes to the riding classes it's definitely not going to be a group of noobie riders, only me and a few others. But I can only focus on what I need to do and learn; I can't worry about anybody else. If they want to take a beginners class with all that experience that's on them.
And they're calling for major thunderstorms on Sunday, the test day. But that can change between now and then.
Wait, where's the on-the-road evaluation? Traffic observations? Anything?
That one looked allright, was it simplified since ? I looked at other videos and it looked easier !
In europe the test is a little bit harder ! You have to do everything in one go :
It starts with one hard slow section (you need to complete it in 14s or more, it's the hardest part to learn), then a full stop into a U turn, then the emergency braking (35mph to 0), a U turn with a passenger (you stop so your passenger gets down), slalom at 35mph, u turn, and then 35mph avoid.
You can put your foot down 3times, but any foot down above 3 is considered a mistake, and you're only allowed 2 mistakes.
Crossing a white line = elimination
Stopping the bike outside of the regular stops = elimination
Hitting an obstacle = elimination
doing the slow course faster than 14s = elimination (doing it between 14 and 16s = 1 mistake, and 16s or slower = good)
going slower than 35mph for the fast speed tests = elimination
You will have a 2nd try, but you won't if you crash the bike or take a fall.
2 day class in MA.
I have mine in a few days, I've rode bikes multiple times but still pretty nervous.
Their way of “calculating speed” using a stop watch, is WAY TOO flawed. Some people accelerate slower than others. Some, faster. But if the slower one’s speed is higher than the fast accelerator, BAM… equation fails.
I signed up for the basic riders course with license waiver. It's a two day 10 HR class at mvcc (Mohawk Valley community college). I passed my online ecourse which was 3hr long. Paid $275. I've got three days till courses. Does anyone have pointers or tips for a new rider.
Just did mine today. I have no experience on a motorcycle or clutch. Trust me it's a lot easier than you think. They walk you through everything. Good luck!
@@poiuytrewq123531 Ok. Thanks for the reply.
Oh man this video is a major relief.
Just finished my first day out in the parking lot and I was trippin on how hard the test was.
HospitalmanMikey the fun stuff is the next couple of days
at 10:00 the emergency stop, do you downshift THEN brake or can you brake while downshifting
Great Video, however in New York City they do 5 exercises. I took it through Tramas Driving School and they took 25 points. Most of them for going to slow, and putting the foot down, I have some riding experience. there were three instructors including one on training who just started that weekend. My bike's clutch was worn out and there was almost no friction point, i brought that to the inspector but he said, it should be ok which it was not...very unpleasant experience
the test in america is a joke
its like 1000 times easier than in europe
Europe is the joke 😂
so in the emergency stop you are downshifting and using both brakes?
Yes. Clutch, downshift and both brakes. You kind of do it all at the same time. The front and rear break need steady building pressure so you dont lock them. If you skid the rear brake you will get points added which is not good.
I really appreciate this question and the answers you gave Jelly.
Only emergency brake and swerve at around 12 to 18 mph. No wonder why many American motorcyclists can’t use their brakes. Here in the uk we have to do minimum of 50kph for emergency and swerving a obstacle in our motorcycle exam.
Yes Best explanation, this is what I did yesterday on Suzuki TU250....2 days in TX
Awesome!
Mass is 2 days. 1 day is spent watching stuff on your computer, the 2nd is actually doing it. I still havent done it because a permit is all I ever needed, but it will get done eventually this year.
What I'm gonna do is just completely cheat and use my 150cc scooter which is technically a motorcycle and allowed 🤪🤷♂️👌
Very informative video. I'm taking my class in June. Not so worried after looking at this . Thanks!
Mark Upshaw thanks for taking the time to comment. Good luck!
Robbie Knievel taught me everything I know about bike riding. they grandfathered me in when I showed up. And gave me $100 gift card for gas
Duuude this test is a joke compared to ours
1. Braking test on around 15 to 20 meters long line
2. Then U turn to figure 8 with tight enough space
3. Tight U turn into Slalom
4. Then emergency braking while avoiding obstacles
We’re given 2 chances at this test, All of that with bunch of 30cm tubes standing on both side on the test course, knock it down or putting your foot down, try again from the first test, and the worst part is you can skip all this hassle by paying someone (gonna be expensive of course), either it’s a someone inside or just a person that crowded by bunch of people, you’ll know it’s gonna be that guy, or you can just keep failing (takes me 8 attempts, i was total noob back the and pretty busy working) and eventually the instructor gonna passed the test for you (if you always showed on time, and showing significant improvement on each test)
Question?! Is everything outdoors?! Nothing is in a classroom where they maybe go over some basic motorcycle stuff?! I’m in Cali
Thanks matr,this did help an made sense to me,it's too far where I live to load up my bike,since it's automatic, I'd just assume to use theirs,but I believe I got this as so long I get the right shifted,I've been practicing since I've had my bike for a few weeks, um new to motorcycle riding, if I pass I do plan on a 125cc or 150cc, an practicing on my road in parking lot on shifting gears,back to what I saying, I have been practicing on my swerve an doing slow u-turns just giving my bike enough throttle to maintain enough speed an help to balance the bike an without my feet coming off the pegs,I believe I'll be good to go.
In Texas now, basic course is required for an endorsement, but they did away with the driving test. Course is $300. Like the guy in the video, they let me go first because I had shown some competence on the bikes, even though I was a new rider. I did well once the bike was in motion, but stalled a lot, and ended up being the only one to fall off the bike during practice drills (right turn from a complete stop in second gear, ended up giving too much throttle and over compensated with the hand brake). Luckily I didn't make any of those mistakes during the actual test and got a perfect score.😅
Just signed up for beginner class in Ohio. Its 3 days as well.
I’m taking the second class today. I came into the class only learning a little bit about the friction zone and shifting to second gear. I stalled a lot, but overall I did good. Come to find out I was in second gear when I was stalling a lot. Once I fixed that, it improved. Today is my last class and watching this video will help me out. Thank you