"Maybe when Sonic Mania sells 15 billion copies, they'll let the mania team remaster sonic 3 and package them in a collection and release it on steam or something." aged like fine wine lol Edit: OH MY GOD HAVE YOU PEOPLE EVER HEARD OF SARCASM!?!?
Yeah, but at the cost for the music - apparently not even Loremaster Cybershell could secure the music - no retainer, no car battery. Also - Sonic Origins is still bad.
One thing to make you feel better about this: episode 1 was not meant to be Sonic 4, it was originally going to be a mobile exclusive titled Sonic the Portable, which you can tell by looking at the background in Casino Street Zone. But Sega being Sega just changed the name and made it available for consoles for the sake of boosting sales.
decisions like that and the failure of sonic boom showed they learned none of the actual reasons why 06 failed, or in the formers case how they were cheapening the image of the brand without a shred of thought as to why without going to the dumbest scapegoats like humans existing, or sonic having a lot of friends
Look, Sega literally said Sonic 4 sucks because in the Sonic Mania elevator thing, it went from 3, K, then Mania. They just pretended it doesn't exist.
My theory is that Sonic 4 was NOT intended to be Sonic 4, just a mobile game to have fun for a while and then forget about it (Sonic 4 ironically enough is better on Mobile than on consoles imo). But some degenerate decided to go "Hey Dimps, why don't you put this goofy game on consoles and advertise it as the 4th entry in the classic Sonic series?" and that's where everything went downhill.
Considering the fact that in the background of the casino stage you can see an asset they didn't change that says Sonic the Portable, yeah. It was supposed to be a phone game that they ported to console for some reason
Fun Fact: Sonic 4's boss track was originally to appear in Sonic 3D blast, but Jon Burton (Sonic 3D Blast's game designer) claimed it was so fucking bad that was removed from the game very early on.
Well technically it wasn't removed it just goes unused but yeah you're right I don't understand why dimps chose this shit out of all the boss tracks available They couldn't even make their own
The ost of this game is honestly beyond baffling. This is the same studio that made Sonic Rush, a game that is practically held together by its awesome soundtrack.
@@darghamo746706's graphics are better, but it's just way buggier and has bad story choices (kind of like Elise, a human character, kissing sonic, the hedgehog, on the fucking lips)
@@shiny8454I mean at least 4 had a more consistent art style and didn't suffer from being an uncanny mid 2000s game with blurry textures and models that just look... off.
@The Mutineers Considering it was Destructoid which all it had was edgy drama bait to flex on fanboys who had no way to respond outside of forum posts back then.
Episode 2 was my first ever sonic game, so it has a special place in my heart, but replaying it i could see how "less good" the game actuallly is. I mean it's fun (different from episode 1) and has some bang themes like the metal sonic one, and some cool original boss fights. So with all the flaws show'd in this video i give this game a 6/10 (5+1 point for nostalgia)
The only good thing about Sonic 4 Ep 1 was when they ported it to Kindle, and Sonic had a unique waiting animation that wasn’t him tapping his foot, but jamming out to what looks like a smartphone, or at the least some sort of mp4/ music player. Sonic should get more unique idle animations, like in Frontiers
@@tubaraofluente in Fronteirs, it changes depending on where you are in the story At the beginning, it’s a typical Sonic idle In the middle when he’s getting corrupted, he looks tired, and near the end, he’s practically on his knees, barely able to stand, but after the game, it returns to normal. I can’t remember the other characters idle animations though
3 years later and people are still mad about this video. True masterpiece Edit: My god this comment is nearly as old as the video was when I commented it. How the hell has it been 6 years
Adressing fans who say "Dimps made rush and advance" Just because you make 2 good game series, does not mean everything you make is a masterpeice. its like a chef making 2 Amazing steaks, then taking a shit on the plate for the third and everyone loves it because the last 2 were amazing.
The worst part is that they had the gall to name it Sonic 4, as though this game stands shoulder to shoulder with the genesis trilogy. If they had called it "Sonic Mobile" or something, I think it would be less hated. You could more easily write it off for what it is - a low budget game for phones. It also sucks that now there can never be a proper Sonic 4 (something Mania probably could've been). They likely won't make a Sonic 5 either, as to not draw attention back to this pile of garbage. Sega ruined any potential for numbered Sonic games.
@John Stonik allegedly there was plan to make a third one as said in the video but it was cancelled due to the unpopularity of the first two parts and felt they should just give up on the whole sonic 4 idea in general
There are games that are very well-liked but did poorly financially, so they wouldn't get a sequel, such as Pyschonauts; Sonic 4 is obviously not an example of that.
I think the issue with the animations is that they're TOO fluid to convey speed. you can see sonics legs move at like 60fps and it just feels like he's dragging them. If they cut some frames out of the animation down to the keyframes, it could MAYBE animate well, but you can't save that model.
sonic 1, 2, 3: [gets hit] [throws rings up in an arc so the player can try to retrieve some of them] sonic 4: [gets hit] [throws rings down, through the floor]
We now know that it was Sonic Team's horrible idea to turn what was planned to be a very low budget mobile Sonic game into "Sonic 4" for marketing reasons, so Dimps doesn't get as much of the blame for this awful game as they used to.
@EggCraft @Jude Johnson I can agree this game was acutally fun when you abused the physics and did the craziest stuff, although some of the bugs didn't help out much
@Jude Johnson 06 didn't even _have_ physics, it was just like 4 pretty much but in 3D. It's worse actually. 06 is to the Adventure games what 4 is to the classics. 06 had no momentum, you couldn't even roll to build speed. You ran at the same set speed always no matter what, with a completely straight, stiff, momentum cutting air dash and an absolutely butchered spindash with zero functionality. Every loop or running segment had to lock you into basically a cutscene where you had zero input. This was because thanks to the state of the games physics, the characters were not capable of building momentum or accelerating past their hard speed cap normally.
In all hindsight, I see why 06 was bad because glitches etc. As a kid, I never cared for the glitches and just abused them, but people are kinda assholes, they CAN not make a game look bad BY DOING GLITCHES INTENTIONALLY!!! The game glitches barely even happened either. But I could see what it was going for, personally the story was just beautiful, (Ignore the Sonic x Elise shit.) And I really like the Sonic 06 model, and the soundtrack, MMMMMMMM it's fucking awesome, I loved all the missions there was, shadow, sonic, and silver, all amazing in there own ways. I get some of the speed was off, but it felt natural for mach speed sonic. And just look at P-06 (Project-06) it made it all better, animations, some prefixes to physics and overal character expressiveness, and the the quality.
06 also had the basic coding aesthetics of Sonic games, Sonic 4 didn’t even have momentum or inertia, heck, Sonic could walk up walls as if he’s Spider-Man in this game.
I'm surprised you got so much flak. I didn't even know Sonic 4 had defenders to begin with; an oddI surprise that was. In my head, Mania is Sonic 4, and even it has some issues, so the less said about this dunpster fire of a game that casually got the number, the better.
Fun fact: a few weeks before release the ENTIRE GAME of episode 2 was leaked with the only difference being a “to be continued” screen after the credits. So the death egg not exploding was supposed to lead into an episode 3.
This legit looks like a game in one of those banner ads on newgrounds or something with all those bootleg sonic flash games. But no, they sold it. For actual money.
Supersonicspyro Will lol it looks it's fucking awful they fused all games, threw out all the good features and added more awful features because there we're not enough bad features and idiots like you still like and I don't even fucking know why
GameNiac lol, I don't think it looks awful, and people like you are the problem with the fanbase, forcing your opinion on others acting as if your opinion is almighty fact, this video is entirely subjective, there is absolutely no objective constructive evidence as to why they're bad, and he says people are retarded for liking it, this video made me lose brain cells over how retarded it was
I'm defo not annoyed, but I find this all kinda bizarre. Cause like- this game is decent. Definitely the worst of the 2d games, but nowhere near terrible and it's kinda baffling, that someone can be so pressed about it. I was thinking maybe this video is meant to be funny, but like the critique is genuine, these things actually make the game bad. So he just kinda sounds insane tbh
@Olivia 757 I'm autistic myself, and I always feel seconhand embarrasment when someone gets mad at the mere _concept_ of even using the word autistic. It wasn't even in a negative connotation, dude.
I hate the attitude some "games journalists" have where we should just be happy with whatever garbage they give us, we deserve to have games we actually want to buy, they don't make them out of charity they're 80 bucks for fucks sake
I enjoyed Episode II of Sonic 4 because it was actually fun and did not feel like an early alpha or prototype like Episode I is. I see the potential behind this game if the team behind Sonic 4 was given more time to work on the game and more thorough testing was done. Does this excuse the final state and episodic nature of Sonic 4? No. To be honest, episodic games, unless you were Tell Tale, always seemed to end prematurely.
Just come back Cybershell, no ones even going to be mad, just come back and pretend like nothing happened. You said you were just going to get cigarettes but you've been gone a year, my Mum has been seeing other Sonic channels and I don't like them, I miss you Cybershell. Edit: Dad returned, I am sated. I will return to my slumber.
@@rickyrackey7930 I still don’t know how they fucked up the Riders series so bad. OG Riders was actually really fun and I would actually consider it a more fun racing game than Mario Kart. Then there was something something Gravity or whatever and that one was definitely worse than the first but not terrible. Then Free Riders released and we’ve not seen Sonic’s Riders design since.
Wasn’t sa1 tails’ story all about him trying to do stuff on his own without sonic? And here in forces he relies on the classic version of sonic to save him
Funnily enough, the reason Episode 1's boss music wasn't used back in 3D Blast was because the main director didn't _like it,_ confirming that not even the staff likes the soundtrack of Sonic 4.
i forgot how much Cybershell used to swear lol, but you can see it was a different time when he drops the R word out of nowhere, i do miss this time of youtube, but i'm glad it's gone nowdays, i wonder how he feels with this video now.
My stuff is never well thought out and organised, im a simple guy who likes Touhou, Pokemon, Zelda, Kirby, Megaman X, and a little bit of Sonic from time to time...
@@kieranstark7213 Sonic 4 episode 1 is a game with great replay value, and is fun time to time. the level design is sound and the graphics aren't too terrible, though still pretty below avrerage. Even mania didsn't scrap it completely with the ziplines from act 2. Sonic 4 ep. 1 is a good game
Clearly sonic 4 episode 2 is a 2/10 because it's episode 2, and episode 1 is a 1/10 because it's episode 1, so we just need to wait until sonic 4 episode 10 for the series to become a masterpiece 😎
Wifi Thief i just like sonic 4 for what it is: its pretty fun, and though the homing attack was uneeded remember that rush and advance (apparently) had homing attacks and no one really cared. but hey have your opinion
I believe that depending on how many zones a Sonic game has and the length of each act, should decide how many acts a zone should have! Sonic the Hedgehog doesn't have that many zones in it, and the acts are somewhat short, so I think 3 acts are plenty for that game! Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 & Knuckles have many zones, (and in Sonic 3 & Knuckles' case, LONG ACTS) so 2 acts are good enough! While I would say that this game has few enough zones for 3 acts to be suitable, due to the reputation of this game, even 2 acts could be too many! 3 act zones balance out Sonic games that have fewer zones with shorter acts (though I'm not sure that this principal should apply to this one!)!
I used to like Sonic 4, but after a while you realize what it is. A claimed "sequel" to the Genesis games that -introduce no interesting fun mechanics that aren't forced gimmicks(super combo thing) -no new level themes or environments, there's not a good original idea in any of these games, everything is based of a past game -the fact that there's no originality is shitty on its own, but what really drives that point in is the fact that this game has nothing to stand on, nothing to make it any better than the gems of the Genesis, it takes all of their ideas and adds: -shitty, shallow level design full of bottomless pits and speed boosters(because the physics are so bad that's the only way to get speed) -physics that are a far cry from the Genesis games, as the sense of control and speed I once had are gone, and tries to replicate that with constant speed boosters, but it doesn't work -bosses that are either shameless copies(Ep 1) or drag on too long(Ep 2) -and music that tries to sound like the Genesis games, but forgot to be good and catchy Sonic 4 just pisses me off, the fact that they aren't very good games to begin with is one thing, but the fact that they advertise themselves as "sequels" to some of my favorite games ever, is salt on the wound. The game only tries to appeal to nostalgia, and once that wears off, you realize that the game is shit. An imposter that doesn't deserve to be mentioned as part of the classic games.
mozardthebest Other games before Mania, even those that also used the modern designs and weren’t advertised as follow ups to the originals, were better at this!
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The game doesn’t even feel like it’s an official sonic game.
It looks like a rip off
It legit looks like the Robert Cop and Nightmare Feddy of Sonic games
Yeah
Wait, this is official?
@@p.andytheface.475 Very hard to believe
Sonic 1, 2 and 3 have ceiling running.
Sonic 4 has ceiling walking, and occasionally ceiling standing.
Master of Bad Puns [Rai] Hell, ceiling standing can't even be called an new feature because Sonic 06 claimed that feature 4 years ahead of time.
I think Sonic 06 claimed a lot of amazing features ahead of time. That game was the most feature complete sonic game. /joke
+Cao Cao
Like rolling on a ball. I'm glad they bought that back.
Master of Bad Puns [Rai] and sonic 5 will have full on celling standing.
Master of Bad Puns [Rai] Ceiling standing sounds impossible.
"Maybe when Sonic Mania sells 15 billion copies, they'll let the mania team remaster sonic 3 and package them in a collection and release it on steam or something." aged like fine wine lol
Edit: OH MY GOD HAVE YOU PEOPLE EVER HEARD OF SARCASM!?!?
Yeah, but at the cost for the music - apparently not even Loremaster Cybershell could secure the music - no retainer, no car battery.
Also - Sonic Origins is still bad.
@@Tobunari I know this comment wasn’t supposed to be taken seriously
@@sanicsanic6890 Well you're not the only one saying it.
@@Tobunari oh
Aged like milk. The origins remake of Sonic 3 was bad.
One thing to make you feel better about this: episode 1 was not meant to be Sonic 4, it was originally going to be a mobile exclusive titled Sonic the Portable, which you can tell by looking at the background in Casino Street Zone. But Sega being Sega just changed the name and made it available for consoles for the sake of boosting sales.
F you SEGA!
Sega should've made it stay mobile exclusive
@@OmeleaffeGaming absolutely
decisions like that and the failure of sonic boom showed they learned none of the actual reasons why 06 failed, or in the formers case how they were cheapening the image of the brand without a shred of thought as to why without going to the dumbest scapegoats like humans existing, or sonic having a lot of friends
what bit of the Casino Street zone background tells about Sonic 4 was supposed to be a mobile exclusive
I didn't know sega made flash games
despacito play country roads
Me too
Holy shit you fucking killed Sega
I though this was on cool math games
Lol
That would make a lot of sense
Look, Sega literally said Sonic 4 sucks because in the Sonic Mania elevator thing, it went from 3, K, then Mania. They just pretended it doesn't exist.
Yep
That was not saga, that was the person who made the animation. The people that run sage in Japan/Use, are retards. Sonic 4 sucks.
@@XErox7X Well, don't you think it's good they didn't include it?
It doesn’t even have CD
@@drsnuff6881 damn you're right
Weird choice for them to dip Sonic’s model in Vaseline for this game, but, eh…
My theory is that Sonic 4 was NOT intended to be Sonic 4, just a mobile game to have fun for a while and then forget about it (Sonic 4 ironically enough is better on Mobile than on consoles imo).
But some degenerate decided to go "Hey Dimps, why don't you put this goofy game on consoles and advertise it as the 4th entry in the classic Sonic series?" and that's where everything went downhill.
that's not a theory, that's the truth
Considering the fact that in the background of the casino stage you can see an asset they didn't change that says Sonic the Portable, yeah. It was supposed to be a phone game that they ported to console for some reason
Fun Fact: Sonic 4's boss track was originally to appear in Sonic 3D blast, but Jon Burton (Sonic 3D Blast's game designer) claimed it was so fucking bad that was removed from the game very early on.
Well technically it wasn't removed it just goes unused but yeah you're right
I don't understand why dimps chose this shit out of all the boss tracks available
They couldn't even make their own
The ost of this game is honestly beyond baffling.
This is the same studio that made Sonic Rush, a game that is practically held together by its awesome soundtrack.
Uh
Well at least he didn't add it in the director's cut
Bruh
"I can't respect a man who has no problem with the physics in Sonic 4"
This guy spittin' facts
I like how Jim used "virgin" as an insult. News Flash Jim, some people will go their entire lives without feeling sexual attraction to anyone
@@hanezutchins2786 news flash moron, it’s a joke.
@@milkman2810 Some people stupid as fuck lmao.
@@smashmouthegg570 you know what, true
Lol, glad Jim has moved past saying dumb edgy junk like this. It would seem hypocritical now haha.
the fact sonic 4 has defenders makes laught so hard
This game makes 06 look like GOTY.
I'm sure you didn't play 06
@@darghamo7467 I did.
@@darghamo746706's graphics are better, but it's just way buggier and has bad story choices (kind of like Elise, a human character, kissing sonic, the hedgehog, on the fucking lips)
@@shiny8454I mean at least 4 had a more consistent art style and didn't suffer from being an uncanny mid 2000s game with blurry textures and models that just look... off.
Shame that sonic 4 fans cant play their favourite game now that flash is down
absolutely destroyed
Laughs in JavaScript
@@orlandofurioso7329 you can play flash games using javascript?
@@anscr-hdfan4739 shit i just got whooshed, never writing comments at 2 AM
You can play it on mobile
Being called a "confirmed virgin" by Jim Sterling of all people is fascinating to say the least.
No offense but he looks like one
@@bernkastel7438 Yep, that's why I find it funny.
@The Mutineers Considering it was Destructoid which all it had was edgy drama bait to flex on fanboys who had no way to respond outside of forum posts back then.
It's even funnier now that he's complaining that nobody is watching his videos or his shitty amateur wrestling crap.
@@bernkastel7438 He looks like a giant baby
*not calling him immature, he literally does
Episode 2 was my first ever sonic game, so it has a special place in my heart, but replaying it i could see how "less good" the game actuallly is. I mean it's fun (different from episode 1) and has some bang themes like the metal sonic one, and some cool original boss fights. So with all the flaws show'd in this video i give this game a 6/10 (5+1 point for nostalgia)
Found the CHAD
same
Sylvania castle act 4 theme was my childhood.
The only good thing about Sonic 4 Ep 1 was when they ported it to Kindle, and Sonic had a unique waiting animation that wasn’t him tapping his foot, but jamming out to what looks like a smartphone, or at the least some sort of mp4/ music player. Sonic should get more unique idle animations, like in Frontiers
what is the idle animation in Frontiers? I don't remember
@@tubaraofluente in Fronteirs, it changes depending on where you are in the story
At the beginning, it’s a typical Sonic idle
In the middle when he’s getting corrupted, he looks tired, and near the end, he’s practically on his knees, barely able to stand, but after the game, it returns to normal. I can’t remember the other characters idle animations though
@@InkyBoiArts That was a really cool detail lol
Every asset looks like it came from a completely different game.
I like your jojo icon
Because it was supposed to be mobile game
@@goroakechi2216 that doesnt excuse it
@@vriska222 but I still hate sonic 4
Wait it makes sense
Alot of game series the four games have to be bad
Look at halo 4
Or black ops 4
@@goroakechi2216 everything after halo 3 was trash
"If this is Sonic 4, Why are we *regressing* in features?
The Sims 4:
Don't worry you can get the features back in paid DLC!
Just like Sims 4...
@@xx_th3_h0ly_sh1t_xx5 Isn't that the truth...
@@steventechno Y-Yeah...
@@xx_th3_h0ly_sh1t_xx5 what dlc ?
Oh, like Sword and Shield?
Looks like a cereal box flash game from 1999.
That's not fair...
Cereal box flash games have the excuse of being old.
God damn absolute violation
POV: you’re checking The comments to see if anyone said the game is good
We're two lol
@@cacovonluca Well we're three
Lol thats true
Lmao
lol
"No series that released with an episode one only planned to have 2 episodes."
*cries in Half-Life*
@@flordelizhawk358 What?
@@flordelizhawk358 Yeah, that kinda the point of the "cries in Half-Life"
@@flordelizhawk358 I can see how that mix up could happen. Sorry for the confusion.
ironically enough sonic 4 was gonna get a episode 3 too
the god damn irony
Hey half life Alex exist
This literally looks like it runs on Adobe flash
I mean when you get the game you have to use a launcher to play it on pc 😬
@@daviepearie1092 But a lot of PC games use a launcher. What are you trying to imply?
That's an insult to Adobe flash tbh
@@Starpotion He said that because it was made by sega so they could make this look better
@@daviepearie1092 what
stop being too lenient on this game, it deserves way worse.
"I wasn't even that harsh to the game, all I did was call it a pile of shit."
-Cybershell, 2017
3 years later and people are still mad about this video. True masterpiece
Edit: My god this comment is nearly as old as the video was when I commented it. How the hell has it been 6 years
These people were just jealous because they couldn’t make a valid video like Cybershell here! 😄
@@kieranstark7213 true subscriber energy right here 🥇
I have over a hundred subs
Amazing this video is A true masterpeice
@@kieranstark7213 very true
I’m glad the “sonic 4 defense force” made cybershell do this video, cause he would’ve gone into hibernation and this video would never exist
Cyan Dave some people who actually like this game
@@Paccyd33 or as i Like to call them morons who have no taste in games and just think they are good because it has good graphics that's it
@@chorte Good graphics is not what I would use to describe Sonic 4.
Looks like were on the good timeline, the legend is back
@@maverickagao When J.R.R Tolkien wrote Return of the King this is what he meant.
Adressing fans who say "Dimps made rush and advance"
Just because you make 2 good game series, does not mean everything you make is a masterpeice. its like a chef making 2 Amazing steaks, then taking a shit on the plate for the third and everyone loves it because the last 2 were amazing.
Straight fucking facts
They are only good at Gameboy games
They should stick to it
@@Persac7 Rush wasn't on gameboy though
Reading this while glancing at your profile picture just makes me laugh for no fucking reason
@@saaaiiiko glad I could make you laugh dude
The worst part is that they had the gall to name it Sonic 4, as though this game stands shoulder to shoulder with the genesis trilogy. If they had called it "Sonic Mobile" or something, I think it would be less hated. You could more easily write it off for what it is - a low budget game for phones.
It also sucks that now there can never be a proper Sonic 4 (something Mania probably could've been). They likely won't make a Sonic 5 either, as to not draw attention back to this pile of garbage. Sega ruined any potential for numbered Sonic games.
Game Journalists who say Sonic have too many friends are jealous because they have none.
true lol
Mr. Edgelord spitting facts
Haha
LMAO
YOOOOOO, GET THEIR ASSES
I actually thought this was a bad fangame for so long oh my god
Don't say to this guy that this is a sega game.
XD
@@gneu1527 Hey, your from the Piggy Sucks vid!
@@doomxprie What?
@@PeruvianPotato She was in a piggy sucks video
The Sonic Advance trilogy was the real Sonic 4 for me.
Sonic 4, 5, and 6.
A lot of this makes sense when you learn that this game was originally going to be a mobile spinoff with no association to the classics
Lmfao someone said "everyone likes sonic 4". They would've made that 3rd episode already if everyone liked it.
STOP IT, THEY’RE ALREADY DEEEEEAAAAD!
some wacky people may think mania is sonic 4 episode 3 i mean there's a mod that labels it as such
@John Stonik allegedly there was plan to make a third one as said in the video but it was cancelled due to the unpopularity of the first two parts and felt they should just give up on the whole sonic 4 idea in general
There are games that are very well-liked but did poorly financially, so they wouldn't get a sequel, such as Pyschonauts; Sonic 4 is obviously not an example of that.
@@hoodedman6579 episode two is an example then
Didn’t know this game had defenders.
@@FlashbackGuyYT liar
@@FlashbackGuyYT they don't exist
Anymore than
1. They're retarded
2. They're just a little baby boy and they don't know any better
Sonic boom show was decent, game sucked.
Fr
The “Sonic 4 Defense Force” is literally just a bunch of 10yo kids typing swear words into the comment box.
I think the issue with the animations is that they're TOO fluid to convey speed. you can see sonics legs move at like 60fps and it just feels like he's dragging them. If they cut some frames out of the animation down to the keyframes, it could MAYBE animate well, but you can't save that model.
sonic 1, 2, 3: [gets hit] [throws rings up in an arc so the player can try to retrieve some of them]
sonic 4: [gets hit] [throws rings down, through the floor]
This is true
@nihilistic_ jam sLoGaN
Bro im dying
Its Sonic 8 bit all over again
@Bluei there is a Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 8 bit versions. Try looking it up.
"Sonic 4 Defense Force" sounds like a crappy Sonic Tower Defense fan game.
Lol
Yes
Made by Hummer Team in 1998.
Introducing 10,000 sonic 4 fans that'll ruin your comment section!
@@benplus1503 somari 4 on snes
Someone at Sega has seen this
We now know that it was Sonic Team's horrible idea to turn what was planned to be a very low budget mobile Sonic game into "Sonic 4" for marketing reasons, so Dimps doesn't get as much of the blame for this awful game as they used to.
"Sonic 4 defense force"
Or, more accurately:
"Sonic Forces me to defend this game"
Drago 303 at gun point
Please tell me that's a mod for Earth Defense Force 4.
they can't prove that this game is objectively good
@@drago3036 Do you realize that you made a forces pun
"the sonic 4 physics weren't that bad"
i bet ya this guy loved 06's physics as well
Sonic 0’6 was actually pretty fun. Abusing all the glitches was the best lmao.
@EggCraft @Jude Johnson I can agree this game was acutally fun when you abused the physics and did the craziest stuff, although some of the bugs didn't help out much
@Jude Johnson 06 didn't even _have_ physics, it was just like 4 pretty much but in 3D. It's worse actually. 06 is to the Adventure games what 4 is to the classics. 06 had no momentum, you couldn't even roll to build speed. You ran at the same set speed always no matter what, with a completely straight, stiff, momentum cutting air dash and an absolutely butchered spindash with zero functionality. Every loop or running segment had to lock you into basically a cutscene where you had zero input. This was because thanks to the state of the games physics, the characters were not capable of building momentum or accelerating past their hard speed cap normally.
@Isaiah Zialo we all have opinions
learn to respect them
(i like 06)
In all hindsight, I see why 06 was bad because glitches etc. As a kid, I never cared for the glitches and just abused them, but people are kinda assholes, they CAN not make a game look bad BY DOING GLITCHES INTENTIONALLY!!! The game glitches barely even happened either.
But I could see what it was going for, personally the story was just beautiful, (Ignore the Sonic x Elise shit.) And I really like the Sonic 06 model, and the soundtrack, MMMMMMMM it's fucking awesome, I loved all the missions there was, shadow, sonic, and silver, all amazing in there own ways.
I get some of the speed was off, but it felt natural for mach speed sonic. And just look at P-06 (Project-06) it made it all better, animations, some prefixes to physics and overal character expressiveness, and the the quality.
Plastic green hill zone
Jim Sterling really went off the deep end
In more ways than one if you think about it.
The difference between the bad of sonic 4 and sonic 06 is that sonics brokeness is actually fun.
06 also had the basic coding aesthetics of Sonic games, Sonic 4 didn’t even have momentum or inertia, heck, Sonic could walk up walls as if he’s Spider-Man in this game.
in which one?
Yeah and sonics gem meter wasn't programmed correctly so he has unlimited gem powers
That's why me and the unappreciated sonic game council have disowned sonic 4 and only kept 06
That's why I like Sonic 06.
Now lets listen to Sonic 4’s boss theme
*Tik Tok ad plays*
Dang, the boss theme is so bad youtube thinks you'd rather watch a tik tok ad than hear it
@@MysteriousCowboyOfTheInternet I would.
@@MysteriousCowboyOfTheInternet I would
Sonic 4 boss music is basically tiktoc dance thing where people would someone would dress up like a clown
@@MysteriousCowboyOfTheInternet I would
I'm surprised you got so much flak. I didn't even know Sonic 4 had defenders to begin with; an oddI surprise that was.
In my head, Mania is Sonic 4, and even it has some issues, so the less said about this dunpster fire of a game that casually got the number, the better.
Nah sonic literally walks at the speed of his running, he can walk on walls and cielings, sonic 4 turned him into spider man, the physics💀💀
The clownish boss music from episode 1 is actually an unused boss theme from sonic 3D blast. *I wonder why it was unused hmmmmmm HMMMMMMMM*
I think it sounds good..... when you place it as joke music .
@@JordanISmith true
Fun Fact:People called it Eggman’s Gay Circus when they didn’t know what it was
That theme felt like something was going crazy in a circus… UGH.
@@gabrielhenry7237 Oh so like the big gay dance for dedede. Ytp's were something else
Fun fact: a few weeks before release the ENTIRE GAME of episode 2 was leaked with the only difference being a “to be continued” screen after the credits. So the death egg not exploding was supposed to lead into an episode 3.
Lol gotta love how a few weeks before release they decided "fuck this shit we arent making any episode 3"
I'm sure this was devastating to both of Sonic 4's fans.
@@zanmaru139 you suck at wording
@@valletas oh same with Diddy Kong racing but way sadder
@@valletas lmao
BECAUSE SONIC 4 KILLED MY GRANDMA, OK?
😥
The art style feels like if sega wanted to make sonic in a new super Mario bros style, but it’s just ever so slightly wrong
“They gave tails some sort of degenerative muscle disease” you are awesome dude
Because they did!
He gets tired after 7 botton presses
Actually, he gets tired from your button presses.
@@michellehuang1501 thats what pisses me off
This legit looks like a game in one of those banner ads on newgrounds or something with all those bootleg sonic flash games. But no, they sold it. For actual money.
Sk00ks glad i aint the only one
true I used to play those at my grandmas house
Sk00ks then you need your eyes checked, because this does not look like a flash game
Supersonicspyro Will lol it looks it's fucking awful they fused all games, threw out all the good features and added more awful features because there we're not enough bad features and idiots like you still like and I don't even fucking know why
GameNiac lol, I don't think it looks awful, and people like you are the problem with the fanbase, forcing your opinion on others acting as if your opinion is almighty fact, this video is entirely subjective, there is absolutely no objective constructive evidence as to why they're bad, and he says people are retarded for liking it, this video made me lose brain cells over how retarded it was
Sometimes I come back to this video and sort comments by new to see if he's annoyed any new people
Me too bro
Sometimes I come back to see if he will come back again (for the third or fourth time idk)
I'm defo not annoyed, but I find this all kinda bizarre.
Cause like- this game is decent. Definitely the worst of the 2d games, but nowhere near terrible and it's kinda baffling, that someone can be so pressed about it.
I was thinking maybe this video is meant to be funny, but like the critique is genuine, these things actually make the game bad. So he just kinda sounds insane tbh
It's just ass dawg ngl
I can't believe people find episode 1 good lol 2 is somewhat ok
Sonic 4 isn't trash, it's a landfill
e-waste
Therapist: "Sonic walking gently up a vertical slope doesn't exist. He can't hurt you."
Sonic 4:
Ahhhh! He exists!
and there's people who defend this game. imagine that. true fucking lunatics
Sonic walking gently upside down is even worse
Sonic frontiers:
@@yourself1210don’t you dare compare sonic frontiers to sonic 4
"you can't even begin to comprehend my autism power level"
Loved that line lol
Me: *Are you challenging me?*
Yeah I agree golden
22:29
@Olivia 757 I don't, and I am autistic. Maybe grow a spine?
@Olivia 757 I'm autistic myself, and I always feel seconhand embarrasment when someone gets mad at the mere _concept_ of even using the word autistic.
It wasn't even in a negative connotation, dude.
“At least it isn’t as bad as Sonic 06” They’re right. It’s even worse
Nah man you clearly haven't played 06. Obviously both games are bad, but at least you can beat Sonic 4 without encountering some bugs and glitches
I hate the attitude some "games journalists" have where we should just be happy with whatever garbage they give us, we deserve to have games we actually want to buy, they don't make them out of charity they're 80 bucks for fucks sake
dont worry every 5 years or so we get a somewhat decent sonic game
every 5 years or so
*glares at forces*
I don’t really see this comment relating to this video
@@dram3579 you didnt even watched the video, then
@@dram3579 Did you not watch past 7 minutes? He pulls up a 2010 article when the game came out where a journalist does exactly that.
16:57 "Oil Ocean's looking a lot more like Sand Ocean right now"
Nice
when sonic said that sand hill line in forces I shut off the game and I still haven't booted it back up
@@folorbipple624 i just thought "sure sonic"
i hate and love this comment
"Why?" -Sad Dunkey
Now we have Sonic Superstars and Sonic Mania, Sonic 4 is now irrelevant and forgotten.
I searched up "cybershell sonic 4" and his mania video didn't pop up, what's going on? What is this!?
Why does the game look like Walmart made the entire game
@@Clover12469 shut up reddit
@Nobody comments are not funny you troglodyte who said I was
@@DiagonalTanooki I'm not reddit
@@Clover12469 ok what did u say and why did u delete it
@@DiagonalTanooki what did they say
Seems like sonic shoes stick to everything...
He should put on his *SOAP* shoes.
*Ba Dum Tsst*
23:45
SA2 pun
wow
True
I enjoyed Episode II of Sonic 4 because it was actually fun and did not feel like an early alpha or prototype like Episode I is. I see the potential behind this game if the team behind Sonic 4 was given more time to work on the game and more thorough testing was done. Does this excuse the final state and episodic nature of Sonic 4? No. To be honest, episodic games, unless you were Tell Tale, always seemed to end prematurely.
Yep. All of them except Telltales.
But at the same time, Telltale ended prematurely so 💀💀
I had no idea Jim Sterling had such a brain dead take on Sonic 4
he trooned out later lmao
We did it boys, after years of bitching this vid has reached a million views
I can now retire peacefully
what are you doing here, i am wario
@@marcosaurelio1953 Hello Wario
@Retro64 Hi hello shit! I'm dad.
Just come back Cybershell, no ones even going to be mad, just come back and pretend like nothing happened. You said you were just going to get cigarettes but you've been gone a year, my Mum has been seeing other Sonic channels and I don't like them, I miss you Cybershell.
Edit: Dad returned, I am sated. I will return to my slumber.
until mania 2 is announced I dont think hes coming back
make that two years
Don't miss him he's shit
@@kaden6297 r/woosh
@@kaden6297 well his fans miss him so you don't have to be a ass about it.
This game has a higher metacritic score than Unleashed, Colors and Generations. Wtf
WAIT REALLY
apparently it doesn’t but sonic 4 has a 74 somehow, generations has a 77, unleashed 60, and colors 78
also somehow frontiers has a 70
The audacity of this to be called “sonic 4”
Accepting a game like this is the reason why we got sonic forces.
Actually colors ultimate and gender why the fatherless community exist
Edit: Why did I talk about genders LOL
Why sega why did you have to make a game so bad
@@ky-maniyoung5734 I agree 50% and disagree 50%
@@DonaldVale I'm only 10 years old
If you fully expect the game you are insane
3:00
You...
you monster.
you left one ring.
time to RESTART THE WHOLE THING!!
I'm not the only one who is bothered by that???
Oh yes!
ShallowDepth Lmao.
*W O K E*
It's a metaphor
Cybershell's videos have insane replay value, I've came here for a laugh like 4 or 5 times already.
Agreed
same, must be the 100th+ time i've seen this. man has a way with words😭
This game is proof that Sonic Forces ain’t the worst.
Sonic Forces you to play a game worser than Forces
@@endlessseek8164 I won’t even scrape the surface that is Sonic Free Riders
@@rickyrackey7930 I still don’t know how they fucked up the Riders series so bad. OG Riders was actually really fun and I would actually consider it a more fun racing game than Mario Kart. Then there was something something Gravity or whatever and that one was definitely worse than the first but not terrible. Then Free Riders released and we’ve not seen Sonic’s Riders design since.
Forces did tails so dirty tho
Wasn’t sa1 tails’ story all about him trying to do stuff on his own without sonic?
And here in forces he relies on the classic version of sonic to save him
Roses are red,
violets are blue,
6:14
Lol
Lol
*claps slowly with great intensity*
Lol
Nice dude
Funnily enough, the reason Episode 1's boss music wasn't used back in 3D Blast was because the main director didn't _like it,_ confirming that not even the staff likes the soundtrack of Sonic 4.
But 3d blast was made by travellers tales and Sonic 4 was made by Dimps
@@TheTomatoWatcher everyone makes mistakes
I thought it was the lead programmer who didn't like it, though. Or am I misremembering Jon/GameHut's video about Sonic 3D Blast facts?
this game just looks like a tech demo for a mobile game back in 2011
i forgot how much Cybershell used to swear lol, but you can see it was a different time when he drops the R word out of nowhere, i do miss this time of youtube, but i'm glad it's gone nowdays, i wonder how he feels with this video now.
“I wasn’t even that harsh to the game...I only called it a pile of shit”😂😂whenever I’m having a bad day, I watch this vid
Same
I would get a bad day watching this video
@@DonaldVale L
@@TailzDMW ??
@@DonaldVale Why would you get a bad day watching this vid it’s fucking hilarious 😭😭😂😂
sonic: what's this
Fanbase: a well thought out and organised LIST OF COMPLAINTS!
My stuff is never well thought out and organised, im a simple guy who likes Touhou, Pokemon, Zelda, Kirby, Megaman X, and a little bit of Sonic from time to time...
Seldom Studios Nice Spongebob Reference
Seldom Studios the sonic fanbase is: "HERES MY ORIGINAL CHARACTER!!!!"
Touhou, Pokemon, Zelda, Kirby, MegaMan X and Classic Sonic the Hedgehog FTW!!!! Come at me, Sonic 4 Defense Squad!!!!!!
@@kieranstark7213 Sonic 4 episode 1 is a game with great replay value, and is fun time to time. the level design is sound and the graphics aren't too terrible, though still pretty below avrerage. Even mania didsn't scrap it completely with the ziplines from act 2. Sonic 4 ep. 1 is a good game
If Jim Sterling like this game, then that's evidence enough that this game is fucking horrible!
Clearly sonic 4 episode 2 is a 2/10 because it's episode 2, and episode 1 is a 1/10 because it's episode 1, so we just need to wait until sonic 4 episode 10 for the series to become a masterpiece 😎
Holly fuck i remember playing this on a retro games website and i thought it was a fan game
sonic fan-games aren't this shitty,you know
I like how we have solid evidence now that a fan game literally has the potential to be better than anything Sonic Team has done in like 30 years.
It looks like Vinesauce Joel typed in "cool sonic toolbars" in a windows destruction video and this is what he got
Mug moment
I wonder why 4 wasn’t a number on the sonic mania elevator
"If you like sonic 4, thats not fine, this is a personal attack on on anyone who likes this game"
Sonic 4 is so bad that Sonic mania didn't feature it in the elevator. -Nathaniel bandy
I saw it
@@Persac7 me too
@@gaminganimators7000 lol
because it's not classic
@@DiamondBull66 more because it's shit
Rumor has it that the Sonic 4 Defense Force is still lurking in the shadows to this very day
I come back to this video every once in a while. Absolutely hilarious and true. I wonder what do you think of Sonic Superstars so far?
"You can't even begin to comprehend my autism power level."
I can though
same
stop using autism as an insult 💗
amazydaisy No.
@@amazydaisy
It's not really an insult lol
Whoever said that sonic 4 is actually good:
Even sega thinks it sucks cause it wasn't mentioned in sonic mania so haha
I think that’s because it was modern sonic that was in sonic 4, not classic sonic
@@callinater6133 not only that, but the physics are awful, just like Cyber explained it
MasterBowser Actually theres another reason (or atleast for me) ITS NOT 2D
Wifi Thief i just like sonic 4 for what it is: its pretty fun, and though the homing attack was uneeded remember that rush and advance (apparently) had homing attacks and no one really cared. but hey have your opinion
That has nothing to do with whether or not Sega thinks it's bad since Sonic Mania is made by fans.
9:11 aged like fine wine
This video is a certified hood classic
My reasoning for why Sonic 4 sucks: fucking look at it.
"Umm..did this guy just learn how to use swear words?"
-My wife hearing this in the background
Accurate
Swearing is my normal way of connecting my sentences together.
@@Hexbot500 No they are sentence enhanceor
@@mrmaster3393 SpIcY sEnTeNcE sAnDwIcH
@I M V E R Y W E I R D Yeah me too broski
This Game Looks Like Something That Would Be In Scratch Or Even On TH-cam Kids
scratch is too high of a bar, ive made and seen scratch games that i enjoyed more than this
I believe that depending on how many zones a Sonic game has and the length of each act, should decide how many acts a zone should have! Sonic the Hedgehog doesn't have that many zones in it, and the acts are somewhat short, so I think 3 acts are plenty for that game! Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 & Knuckles have many zones, (and in Sonic 3 & Knuckles' case, LONG ACTS) so 2 acts are good enough! While I would say that this game has few enough zones for 3 acts to be suitable, due to the reputation of this game, even 2 acts could be too many! 3 act zones balance out Sonic games that have fewer zones with shorter acts (though I'm not sure that this principal should apply to this one!)!
I used to like Sonic 4, but after a while you realize what it is. A claimed "sequel" to the Genesis games that
-introduce no interesting fun mechanics that aren't forced gimmicks(super combo thing)
-no new level themes or environments, there's not a good original idea in any of these games, everything is based of a past game
-the fact that there's no originality is shitty on its own, but what really drives that point in is the fact that this game has nothing to stand on, nothing to make it any better than the gems of the Genesis, it takes all of their ideas and adds:
-shitty, shallow level design full of bottomless pits and speed boosters(because the physics are so bad that's the only way to get speed)
-physics that are a far cry from the Genesis games, as the sense of control and speed I once had are gone, and tries to replicate that with constant speed boosters, but it doesn't work
-bosses that are either shameless copies(Ep 1) or drag on too long(Ep 2)
-and music that tries to sound like the Genesis games, but forgot to be good and catchy
Sonic 4 just pisses me off, the fact that they aren't very good games to begin with is one thing, but the fact that they advertise themselves as "sequels" to some of my favorite games ever, is salt on the wound. The game only tries to appeal to nostalgia, and once that wears off, you realize that the game is shit. An imposter that doesn't deserve to be mentioned as part of the classic games.
Thanks.
It only takes a minute or two to read, and yet it's several times more competent in addressing the point than an almost 25-minute video.
mozardthebest
Other games before Mania, even those that also used the modern designs and weren’t advertised as follow ups to the originals, were better at this!
Exactly the points Cyber made.
mozardthebest it is the same with me.