What I'm seeing is that Brad Token is in the red, and Sleep Token is in the green.... I guess I've got to switch up my Spotify Wrapped manipulation plans now.
I genuinely disagree with everything Brad says about music, but I’ve been subscribed to him for years and can’t stop watching him. He’s gotta be doing something right.
Loathe is the opposite of sleep token, they take their main roots in djenty riffs n such but the risks they take actually make sense and their sound especially on I let it in is just amazing, there is so much going on but it’s produced greatly, instead of feeling big and empty it’s big and full. I hope brad does a reaction to I let it in and it took everything it’s a great album
Brad has reviewed I Let It In on album of the year: 73/100 “One of the best Metalcore albums I have heard ever. Amazing flow and vibe Needs less Deftones. Yes it is that bad.”
If anyone is like slightly let down by this album but liked the grandiose nature of it, go grab I Let It In And It Took Everything by Loathe. Its not perfect but it was the album that the singles made me want to listen to and its a personal vibe record
@KAL'S I immediately went and looked it up and I'm a little upset lol. It's so full of emotion and it feels like Vessel sucks some of that emotion out. Idk, I might be being needlessly mean but that's how it feels
I just listened to this album for the first time (never listened to Sleep Token) and that's the funniest fucking comparison I've ever heard (it's very true)
Absolutely clueless people calling it incel music will never stop being funny. If you’re unwilling to even attempt to understand the meaning behind the art why bother critiquing it?
Pop and metal can totally work together. I think Voyager is fun and my favorite Devin Townsend album is Addicted, which is almost platonically pop-metal. This album just seemed to combine the most cliche’d and toothless tropes from the genres it pulled from in an uninteresting way.
@topofsm. PoP and Metal can go extremely well together, it’s just most bands don’t do it well, or just use the wrong styles of PoP or Metal. I think the classic and traditional style of Metal doesn’t mix well with PoP at all though. The speedy riffs and guitar solos don’t mix well with certain grooves imo. I also think the modern, Metalcore and Djent style of Metal doesn’t really mix well with PoP. The styles of Metal that would most go really well with PoP would be Alternative Metal, and Nu-Metal, I think those styles of Metal with the bounce riffs would complement some PoP really well. For example take some of KoRn’s riffs and add in Kesha’s vocals from her early stuff and it would probably sound great. You also have to find the right style of PoP as stuff like Adele, Ed Sheeran and Sam Smith etc etc I don’t think would mix well with Metal at all. Stuff like Britney Spears, early Kesha and the like I think would mesh really well with heavy bounce riffs.
nice to see another voyager fan, thats the first time in a decade of listening to them ive heard someone else mention them online (outside of direct videos from their channel/socials).
Zeal and Ardor mix metal and RNB the correct way and nobody bats an eye, Sleep Token mix mediocre stereotypes of both genres and EVERYONE loses their minds. Remember people, the secret is *masks*
my take on the production is that nothing punches through, everything feels so equal in the mix like when i hear albini touch an album i recognize it instantly. listening to the new liturgy and i am weeping joy about how punchy those drums are. i also pick out black metal as genre where everything bleeds together for a wall of noise, a whirlwind of instruments into one steady drone is intentional, so hearing those drums spike through the mix feels so cathartic. same can be said about something like oranssi pazuzu's 2020 release, the way it crashes side to side in your ear is only adds to the experience, really amping up the "whirlwind" element and keeping you swayng through the confusion. hypnotic. djent is a genre all about technicality and skill, so to hear nothing stand out is just "missing the whole point" Edit: lmao brad brings up liturgy seconds after i post this, i was really just drawing a comparison to albini first and foremost
Wow, well, the pop-oriented prodiction is the only thing carrying this through. The vocals punch through and shine perfectly constantly, it's so vocal-heavy it's almost a mistake...are we listening to the same band? , the other elements are blended together to appear like an extension of the voice, maybe that's why you think it's muddy? But that's their trick. Every gimmicky band has a trick, this one is theirs. To design every single element as an arrow pointing at the vocals. The musicality is watered down as hell, nothing interestin going on and the vocals are the same as any show off-ey dude from the 90s. Why are they so famous then? Why are they exploding the way they are? It's 10000% cause of the production making you feel he's an amazing singer. What else could be? Their genre bending? Lmao even normies are cringing at the hip hop parts, you've probably seen the reactions. This is not a djent band... This is an alt rock pop band that listened to Pink Floyd once. The downtuned guitars and screams are very popular to sprinkle in here and there in alternative and indie music, but perhaps that's confusing all the normies and metal dudes who think downtuned guitars and screams are just a metal thing when here it's used for ambience. AND they're mixed like part of the ambience too, they're not front and center like the music you are used to. I don't know why I took so long just to say that, yes they suck, but also you're wrong, kind of objectively.
@@Arcanineisthebest we love the passion, a bit hostile tho i won't lie. P sure we're on the same page here as I was alluding to the fact that this fails in the djent category. I tend to fail to know what's popular and what's not. I often think my bands are mainstream until i crawl out from under my rock and talk to peeps. Idk, not much worth to put in it. Not much to touch on there. I personally dislike clean vocals and prefer more dissonance in most music I listen to. tbh, probs why i love albini productions. c:
@@Kino_the_Crusty Sorry English is not my first language so maybe it sounded very hostile, would you believe I wrote it in a playful tone in my head? Lmao
production on this album feels more popish where you need the instruments to have a much wider range frequency wise, but metal already has enough instruments to balance the sound even with no/very raw production. so what this album really suffers from is an identity crisis. it feels like at times it wants to be either a pop album or a metal album, no interesting inbetween like it’s supposed to be
@@joeylummox7330 If people said they loved this band for the pop and liked that it had some metal thrown in there I would have no problem with people hyping it up, it's when people wish all "Metal" sounded more like this that I get a severe chill running up my spine and throughout my whole body. If sleep token fans listened to ed sheeran and northlane they would probably be just as satisfied
This sounds like an ai listened to mastodon and Deftones as well as some other metal bands. Then made songs that sound like all at the same time while somehow sounding like none of them with vague incel lyrics
Pop and metal can work, case in point: Poppy. I Disagree is an album that makes that combo work, because it’s not just pop and metal, it’s very specific blending of pop and metal sub-genres that Poppy found common ground with in her songwriting. Sleep Token just jams rnb and metalcore together without bothering to find that common ground, and it comes out awkward and lame. I Disagree in comparison is alternative metal and power pop, industrial metal and dream pop, it’s looking for genres that can actually work together, and the end result is an album that makes the combo seem natural.
I do love Poppy's I Disagree! I suppose in retrospect, some of the genre combinations aren't all that natural or don't feel as seamless compared to her.
53:42 - 54:05 this moment got me dead, I had the same reaction. Btw I love Sleep Token, I am huge fan and I listen to them since 2019 but I do dislike a lot of stuff they did on this record, a lot of the flows and the more poppy-trap singing from Vessel are pretty cringe and I can't resonate with that stuff, there are a lot of boring generic piano parts with just singing especially in the second half of the album that are pretty bad and cliché, but I still really really love everything else. I suggest to listen to Sundowning which is their best work, I think it is really a masterpiece with a tone of beautiful and gorgeous songs that I hope you all can appreciate.
"Instead of making something actually feel large through composition, it tries to fix it in post" Brad perfectly describes every butt rock song from the last ten years.
I wish everyone could get the same euphoric enjoyment out of this album as me but I do really love Brads take on this album. He gives it a fair shake and it’s just not his thing, not everyone will like everything that they hear. It’s why music is so awesome, so many different sounds and ideas that work for some and not for others. I know I really can’t stand some of the music Brad loves but I love hearing him talk about why he loves it and the experience he gets from it.
As you were listening to this, I was trying to put my finger on what this felt like and by the time you got half way I figured it out: it's the TikTok-ification of metal. It's meant to have 4 or 5 moments to make a viral clip out of and that's really apparent throughout.
pretty much hit the nail on the head. so many times during this video I could feel the ‘tiktok drop’ bait and it ruins what would otherwise be a whatever album imo
I had the same thought listening to the first few tracks, it feels like metal that people on TikTok would use to make edgy aesthetic edits about how much they miss/hate their ex.
my thoughts on the vagueness of the lyrics as someone who’s written songs for 9 years: it’s not so much that the lyrics are vague, but that they’re written in a way that makes them sound as if they’re unsure of what they’re saying and the message that they want to get across. if they’re a band with a lot of lore and want to make a concept project, they need to solidify that concept, to be sure of what they’re talking about, and to know what they want their audience to receive. the writing (and the vocals) is what bothers me the most as someone who’s mainly a lyricist when it comes to music. it was just so clear that they didn’t really know what they were trying to say, and it feels almost disrespectful to their audience that they didn’t feel the effort was worth it to actually be certain of the concept that they were basing all that writing on. and it really comes through that they were uncertain really comes through.
This is definitely accurate. I haven't gone super deep with their lore but I think some of the songs have specific concepts behind them and others might not (or at least are written too uncertainly to make the concepts clear). I know the cryptic nature of it all is their shtick but it feels like sometimes the lore provides an easy excuse for unfocused writing
They clearly knew what they were trying to say. As you are someone who claims to be mainly a lyricist, it's weird you couldn't figure it out. Some stuff is very personal and hard to relate to, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a clear focus cause you didn't latch on to it. What a weird take dude.
@@mattcubed9658 they clearly did not have a fleshed-out plan of their lore or message in many of these songs or lyrics. i will admit there are some songs where it seems to be pretty solid but i can tell you in a lot of instances, it’s not something that is just “too personal for me to understand,” it’s just that they don’t understand what they’re going for either. you pick up on things like that when you write for such a long time.
@@quinnjones4629 You clearly don't know how to write then cause they do. Also it's filled with call backs to his first hand and connected to the other two albums. It's pretty focused. If you struggled to understand, just say that. That's not the artist's fault, cause other people did understand. That's a you problem respectfully.
mick gordon made the entire planet think that djent is something actually mainstream viable and not an extremely niche genre that needs an ungodly amount of skill, money and time to do well (and even then a lot of people will not vibe with it no matter how well it's done) and now every modern metal album is trying to sound like fucking doom
The best way to describe this album and band is that it’s meant for people who really aren’t into metal but can get into it by listening and relating to this music. I don’t listen to any metal bands at all but this album popped up and I really liked it. I know that’s also the main reason why a lot of fans of metal don’t like this band but because it can be received and liked by a wider audience it probably will make this band and album massive in the coming months and years.
I think bands that serve that purpose are so immensely valuable. I finally managed to enjoy elements of metal I used to find unlistenable thanks to Lorna Shore’s latest album. And I was highly motivated to learn to enjoy metal because I’ve loved metal(and/or hardcore)-adjacent music for most of my life. Transitional genres and artists are extremely helpful, imo. I definitely wouldn’t be starting down the metal rabbit hole without a number of artists and genres that purists probably find cringey & revolting, haha.
Hey now, we were a small but dedicated bunch of metalheads in the Sleep Token fanbase before they blew up on TikTok and more non-metal fans started discovering them (which is a good thing, don't get me wrong)
As a huge metalhead, I think there are a lot of solid songs from Sleep Token that have an ominous, enjoyable, and heavy feel to them. They just aren't on this album.. I think it's more that metal fans generally don't like when a band gets popular RESULTING in these kinds of changes when it comes to their sound. They sound like they're experimenting in this album, but they're experimenting with the kind of music that a lot of metalheads generally don't like. It sounds super pop-ish and IMO doesn't line up well with the -genuinely- metal af concept that the band is supposed to follow. I don't really care tbh bc I just save the songs I like and move on, but I can understand why other metalheads would turn their nose up at how Sleep Token is moving forward with their style.
@@EnbyAndromedaSleep token has barely ever been metal though. This album really isn't a huge change from the other two, especially not their first album.
He just sounds like he is trying to do a new twist on the “I’m sexy singing in cursive” sound that people have been doing for years …I wanted to like them but I just can’t with the way he sings 😭
I just love black-white extremes. One side is super positive about these guys and this album in specific, praising the talent, the blending and the general structure of the songs, and the other side is just roasting the hell out of it saying that almost nothing is functioning in this project and everything sounds messed up and... is not metal... or whatever :D
I get the sentiment. Personally I like it. I like it not really knowing the lore. I really like the way it sounds, I like the lyrics and have had the songs stuck in my head for weeks in a good way. Personally this has been my favorite album this year. But it's not for everyone, so I was curious what someone's opposed opinion would be. I can see it, I get it. I still love it.
Completely agree, been on board since their second ep, but I suppose if more people listen to a band there's also more people who don't like it which is fine. People generally don't vocally criticise smaller bands either because it's just kicking down, but they're not small anymore
@@bruxxy6814 Weird to see them as not small anymore. As I love Sleep Token since the beginning it kind of hurts a little to see such criticism on them, but I totally get it. Still gonna love the band as always, and I love that they're this big now, they kind of deserve it in my opinion.
@@randomname191 because they are, the majority of their stuff is pop and adult contemporary leaning they’ve done the thing where they released metal singles and the rest of the album is pop like three times now
Every single song on the album is amazing. Completely understand how people may not like the crossover of genres but damn I love this album sooooo much
It’s not even the cross over of genres. Just because you have a mix of genres does mean you’re good at making that music, in my opinion it’s just bland ass hell and corny.
Whats that got to do with anything? Sleep Token's song's aren't about relationships per say. The lyrics are about the Sleep Goddess the band is named after.
@@hitman9198 because the kind of person to care about the lore of a metal band is the kind of person who doesn't have a girlfriend because as soon as they meet a woman who says they like metal they say "oh really? Name your favourite albums" and when they say Black Album they roll their eyes and go "I bet you don't even have the album cover for Dawn of the Black Hearts as your phone background"
@@SuperNuclearUnicorn I've been married for almost 4 years. With her almost 9. Sleep Token is also one of her favorite bands. Stop trying to sound smart.
100% what I was hoping for when I heard about the genre infusion in this album, was a bit let down but I don't hate it. Probably won't revisit the album a ton
I am a metalcore listener and think the album is okay but I am already triggered that this is gonna be on top of every Metal AOTY list for being "innovative" because Metalcore has so many stale and samey bands that as soon as something sounds grand and is a bit different it stops being metalcore and starts being higher art to the community I think this is a band with their own style and their music is solid, but in the metal community there is the vibe that theyre that artistic, boundary pushing, genre defining second coming of Christ and I dont see it
Genre locking Sleep Token is really what the problem is. The music industry and people have been doing this for ages. Like when Deftones was labeled as Nu Metal lol. Genre locking has been what's ruined or dulled alot of our favorite artist. Sleep Token have the freedom to do what they want, anonymously, little to no advertisement. You like it or you don't.
I'm glad that Brad and Fantano talked about this album, because I really couldn't put into words why I didn't like it so much and they put it so eloquently. It made me happy because I felt like I was taking crazy pills after seeing all of the overwhelming support for this album.
It's really been disheartening. Maybe I'm being dramatic, but I don't know how to feel when people are heaping praise and some are even saying "Best Metal album of 2023!" and what I'm hearing is perhaps the most soulless music I've ever heard. It feels AI generated its so empty. It feels like the shallowest version possible of every style it seeks to emulate. It sounds like music concocted specifically for fuckboys to pass around in thirst traps on TikTok. I really, really don't like it. To have this become the greatly hailed project on the metal scene is definitely a bit alienating.
I think if you look at it under the guise of metal it'll be underwhelming, for me its not really a metal album its just a band doing what they want to do and experimenting with different sounds and i really enjoyed it
@@miserirken loathe us great but I would compare them to sleep token at all, they are a shogaze, metal core mix. And btw the members of loathe love sleep token lol
Glad you think the same because I was definitely not sure how to feel about the album. I liked some parts with the heavier instrumental but then it would die down and they would start singing again and I would skip it 💀. The music isn’t bad but the cursive singing takes me out. For me I just was looking for music with screaming + singing not just one or the other like I have heard with some music. If anyone has any good recs please drop them I need more music to listen to.
Bmth does screaming + singing 10 times better, definitely recommend the newer album and Sempternal stuff, along with There's a hell too Edit: Also Jinjer and Spiritbox does that very well too
Idc what anyone says, I love the end of The Summoning. It just tickles my nuts in the best way possible and despite the Halsey font singing, I love it.
Wow, after the initial shock factor of hearing the switch up on The Summoning when it first released, it really doesn't hold up very well...that was a lot less grimy than I remembered
It threw me off when I first heard it, and on subsequent listens, it turned to feeling like something left on the cutting room floor from a 2010s Arctic Monkeys record.
57:35 - I see someone in chat asking for recommendations of prog metal with influence from other genres besides Dream Theater, Opeth, and Tool, and will answer here bc this is kinda my department lol Between the Buried and me - album rec: Colors and Great Misdirect, both are masterpieces Enslaved - album rec: E Voivod - album rec: nothingface Ever Forthright (only has 1 album so far) Painted in Exile - album rec: the ordeal A FEW RECENT DISCOVERIES I’VE MADE (haven’t checked out all these bands’ older stuff yet, these may not be their best works) Alkaloid - numen The Hirsch Effekt - Urian Rannoch - conflagrations Urne - a feast on sorrow
My take is that early sleep token had much less pressure on their creative writing process. Now that everyones got their dirty hands on them they don’t know what to do with themselves.
I was kinda nervous to watch this video since I'm a big Sleep Token fan and absolutely love this album, but I thought you were very respectful and made a lot of valid points. Thanks for giving it a shot and for not being mean to the people who like it! You're a treasure, Brad!
some people really are hyping this band up to high heavens - WHY ?? HOW ??? jfc the singer is the manifestation of that old ”indie singer shows you whats in their kitchen” vine, overdramatic in the annoying theatre kid-way. uninspired composition and instrumentation, the genre blend is a sloppy joke - instead of actually trying to make a legit fusion it really just is ”now we are playing this style” and ”now we are playing that style”. are people listening to ST ironically? is that it, am i missing some joke here? in b4 all the ”AKSHUALLY”-comments. jeez ”incelcore” and ”im 23 and this is deep-metal” really hit the nail on its head. you do you kids
I may send in some Bad Omens after seeing this video. Sleep Token, Bad Omens, and Polyphia have gotten really popular in similar circles recently. I think Bad Omens does a far better job at genre-blending than Sleep Token and while differing, there’s enough similarity to connect the two, but Bad Omens executes their lyrics in a way that is far more enjoyable and open to interpretation without being the type of vague that Sleep Token is. Their mixing is also much more enjoyable to me and in my opinion, they execute a similar style generally better than Sleep Token do.
I agree that Bad Omens does it better. They also feel more authentic to me in comparison. But I’m a very big fan of all of their albums and have listened to them a LOT, so I’m biased.
I think the weirdest thing about this album is everything you hate about it is everything I like about it. Idk why I think it works very well while other people think the complete opposite. To each their own tho!
I agree. His take on this is literally false. lol. He doesn't even know what THE SUMMONING is about. Its not Incel core AT ALL. Its literally an album about a flourishing relationship and the fall of a relationship. He doesn't seem to know or understand the LORE behind it all. Its almost fantastical and theatrical, but in the best most amazing form possible. I absolutely LOVE this album. Hats off to Vessel for being the genius he is. Its very Logical and makes all the sense, the transitions and composition is crazy amazing.
@@blastedcorpse271 "Oh THe lORE" buddy you know what OTHER bands make albums with lore? Periphery and Haken, but they do it a hundred million times better. Good musicians with lore > bad musicians with lore
I discovered sleep token through this video. I hated this album when I heard it for the first time, but then I got some of the songs stuck in my head for days. The album grown on me when I re-listened to it, and now I love it. Thank you for making this video, you are my way of discovering new music.
this comparison is hilarious because starset’s song writing is so basic and cookie cutter that it makes the uninteresting parts of this album seem creative by comparison. considering the reasons brad hated this album, he’d probably despise starset.
One thing I dislike about Sleep Token is their image doesn't match their sound very well. I think bands like Slipknot and Portal have a look that matches their sound but for Sleep Token its weird seeing someone looking like a cthulhu worshipper singing like Sam Smith.
@@eaglesandowls how could I do that if I know about them and have listened to their music. Also I was more talking about image, which is important with Sleep Token because it is obvious they put effort into how they look. Which personally doesn't work well with the band since it feels out of place with their music, it feels super mismatched. With that is a common theme with this band with their music feeling like different songs from different genres stapled together, it is not coherent.
@@joeylummox7330 Good thing it’s not actually metal and it’s Metalcore. And no, Bad Omens and poppy are genuinely great pop artists. Don’t be so cynical, The Death of Peace of Mind is a phenomenal album.
@ryanbollinger1759 is metalcore not a subgenre (thus under the umbrella of) metal? Asking genuinely, bc I only just recently started dipping my toes in the metal waters and all the discussion about subgenres and labeling is really confusing to me. Is metalcore considered a subgenre of hardcore? Or is it not a subgenre because it’s distinct enough to just be kind of in its own world then? I can’t quite figure out which things get to be labeled as “metal” in the broad sense, as in being under the umbrella, and which things can’t.
I think I might try to listen a bit more of this album on my own, but the first impressions it gave me is that it can go from being "Suicide Squad Official Motion Picture Soundtrack" to "Doom Eternal OST" out of nowhere. And I agree with someone who said it feels like the Tiktok-ification of metal, like it feels really cheaply structured (with quick payoffs and vague lyrics) and the singing feels like it's it made to be lip-synced to by. Still, the genre mixing is interesting but I think it's not well done, and the thing about the mastering and mixing is a valid criticism that brad made cause it doesn't let you really immersive yourself into the music.
Literally so many different bands that do genre fusion in metal. Zeal and ardor, deftones, and infectious grooves are great examples. Somehow sleep token ends up sounding like a top 40 “band” with the worst djent breakdowns.
@yammerrryeet511. Fusion in Metal is extremely common. Funk Metal, Industrial Metal, Groove Metal, Alternative Metal, Nu-Metal/Rap Metal, Avant Garde Metal, Prog Metal, Symphonic Metal, Modern Metalcore.
I don't get the hype about this band. I feel like Tesseract and Uneven Structure was doing this sound over a decade ago. The music isn't bad or anything but it sounds like pretty surface level djent/pop stuff.
Finally someone said it. I really wanted to like this album when I heard all the praise for it, but it just… isn’t that good. Two cliches at once ≠ experimenting.
Although I've got a lot of respect for Sleep Token and what they're doing, it's nice to hear you vocalizing some of the problems I have with this album.
I'm a huge Sleep Token fan but this album just don't hit me like the one before. For me is a 5/10. This place will become your tomb is like a 9/10 to me.
This is one of your best videos in a while. If I have to be honest, I thought that your content was in a rough state, where you didn't interacted too much with the music and relied WAY too much on the soundboard, so it felt a little bit on pilot mode, maybe passionless. However, in this video you felt more alive, you had a lot to say and explained yourself pretty well, and it got me to actually engage with the music, without drowining it with the soundboard, wich in this time you used it fairly well. It reminded me why I love this channel so much. So yeah, great work, and sorry for the wall of text lol
I was feeling like I could vibe to this from all the descriptions until I heard the vocals and realised that it's just gonna, be like that the whole time. Nothing technically wrong with the style of singing, but it always just grates for me. Disappointed to land on the side of "dont like it!"
A lot of Devin Townsend's albums (Ocean Machine, Infinity, Epicloud, and Addicted! being good examples) bring pop songwriting into a metal/prog environment, treading up to the line of being too obnoxious, cheesy, and overblown without playing hopscotch over the line like this record does. You hit the nail on the head when you said that this feels like 2014-era "alternative" pop
had no idea what this was, and it does so little i actually hate it. it sounds royalty free, whenever it isnt ripping off generic 2 out of 10 metalcore its a mix of radio stomp clap hey music + generic caribbean beat white people pop. i do not see how this album is so hyped and discussion is so contentious, its a blatantly commercial stinker, this is metal your parents could listen to
Devin Townsend is probably the only metal artist to my knowledge that has combined Pop and Metal to create something greater than the sum of it's parts. Addicted and Ocean Machine are a masterclass in combining dense atmosphere, pop sensibilities with metal structured songwriting and heaviness. This is what happens when you try and combine those aforementioned elements but at the most contrived.
@@joeylummox7330 I mean if you really wanna make a broad statement about Bad Omens I’d say they’re basically The Weeknd with Breakdowns. It’s a generalization about the band but hey I love the sound and I think they make much better music than Sleep Token by a country mile
People forget that bands like Faith No More, System of a Down, Slipknot, new BMTH (to name a few) have been combining metal with pop and other genres near seamlessly for well over 10-30 years (respectively)
I would take these guys over Five Finger Death Punch any day lol. Genre locking Sleep Token is a part of the problem too. It's like when Deftones got labeled Nu Metal back in the day 🤣
for some reason I thought Anthony gave this is a high rating so when this showed up in my rec i thought Bradley was escaping the drone accusations. then he said that Anth gave it a light 2...
This band is a cult. You either buy into it full send or you don’t. And if you have ANY dissenting opinion your labeled as “old” or “out of touch” or “it’s not made for you”
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What I'm seeing is that Brad Token is in the red, and Sleep Token is in the green.... I guess I've got to switch up my Spotify Wrapped manipulation plans now.
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I genuinely disagree with everything Brad says about music, but I’ve been subscribed to him for years and can’t stop watching him. He’s gotta be doing something right.
He's a very entertaining person, even when you don't agree with what he's saying
tpab?
I think is the fact that he's genuine with what he thinks and he says,i actually don't care if he doesn't like the álbum,but i like how honest he is
Ikr, like I agree with 50% of his opinion and 50% don't... GOT ME 100% CONFUSED
he makes good points on this review. imo trap beats are really bad on this project
Someone in the chat said lightskin metal💀
Haha I see it
we got Black Metal, we got White Metal, this is Tan Metal
Loathe is the opposite of sleep token, they take their main roots in djenty riffs n such but the risks they take actually make sense and their sound especially on I let it in is just amazing, there is so much going on but it’s produced greatly, instead of feeling big and empty it’s big and full. I hope brad does a reaction to I let it in and it took everything it’s a great album
Brad has reviewed I Let It In on album of the year:
73/100
“One of the best Metalcore albums I have heard ever. Amazing flow and vibe
Needs less Deftones. Yes it is that bad.”
Listened to Loathe because of this comment, definitely a Loathe fan now. Thanks!
dude whenever i listen to sleep token i just think "this is what happens when you try to do i let it in but make it sound bad and annoying"
If they still made Bionicles this would be the music they'd use in the ads.
Underrated comment
That is the greatest description ever
That's not true, it would be no face no case - tornado
Lol
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Am I the only one who would be fascinated to watch Brad do a BMTH reaction?
he recently di!
"It's a combination of Gent Pop & Whiny Twink Metal" - Brad Taste In Music~ 2023
*Djent, Pop & Whiny Twink Metal
If anyone is like slightly let down by this album but liked the grandiose nature of it, go grab I Let It In And It Took Everything by Loathe. Its not perfect but it was the album that the singles made me want to listen to and its a personal vibe record
Remember when sleep token did a cover of a Loathe song and made it worse
@@Ratmatia What??? No??? I didn't know that happened oof 💀
@@lurtz8656 It was "Is It Really You?", one of the best songs in the album imo and they ruined it
@KAL'S I immediately went and looked it up and I'm a little upset lol. It's so full of emotion and it feels like Vessel sucks some of that emotion out. Idk, I might be being needlessly mean but that's how it feels
Fr the first time I heard Sleep Token, it just made me wanna go listen to Loathe.
no way they mixed truck commercial music with tiktok thirst trap music
I just listened to this album for the first time (never listened to Sleep Token) and that's the funniest fucking comparison I've ever heard (it's very true)
And incel lyrics 💩
Absolutely clueless people calling it incel music will never stop being funny.
If you’re unwilling to even attempt to understand the meaning behind the art why bother critiquing it?
i just started the video and this is such a foreboding comment. i am afraid
WHY IS HE SINGING LIKE THAT?
Well... because he wants to?
Pop and metal can totally work together. I think Voyager is fun and my favorite Devin Townsend album is Addicted, which is almost platonically pop-metal. This album just seemed to combine the most cliche’d and toothless tropes from the genres it pulled from in an uninteresting way.
Pop and metal have been together since the 80s, albeit a different type of pop. Somehow all that hair metal still sounds better than this lmao
@topofsm. PoP and Metal can go extremely well together, it’s just most bands don’t do it well, or just use the wrong styles of PoP or Metal.
I think the classic and traditional style of Metal doesn’t mix well with PoP at all though. The speedy riffs and guitar solos don’t mix well with certain grooves imo.
I also think the modern, Metalcore and Djent style of Metal doesn’t really mix well with PoP.
The styles of Metal that would most go really well with PoP would be Alternative Metal, and Nu-Metal, I think those styles of Metal with the bounce riffs would complement some PoP really well.
For example take some of KoRn’s riffs and add in Kesha’s vocals from her early stuff and it would probably sound great.
You also have to find the right style of PoP as stuff like Adele, Ed Sheeran and Sam Smith etc etc I don’t think would mix well with Metal at all.
Stuff like Britney Spears, early Kesha and the like I think would mesh really well with heavy bounce riffs.
nice to see another voyager fan, thats the first time in a decade of listening to them ive heard someone else mention them online (outside of direct videos from their channel/socials).
@@darkwolfyy21 You just reminded me that I like V a lot and I need to check out the rest of their discography.
Zeal and Ardor mix metal and RNB the correct way and nobody bats an eye, Sleep Token mix mediocre stereotypes of both genres and EVERYONE loses their minds. Remember people, the secret is *masks*
Zeal and Ardor is actually fucking amazing. Sleep Token is music for young depressed narcissists who want to pretend like their lives are hard.
@@not_cicero I don't think I've ever agreed with a youtube comment more
Touché!
my take on the production is that nothing punches through, everything feels so equal in the mix
like when i hear albini touch an album i recognize it instantly.
listening to the new liturgy and i am weeping joy about how punchy those drums are.
i also pick out black metal as genre where everything bleeds together for a wall of noise, a whirlwind of instruments into one steady drone is intentional, so hearing those drums spike through the mix feels so cathartic. same can be said about something like oranssi pazuzu's 2020 release, the way it crashes side to side in your ear is only adds to the experience, really amping up the "whirlwind" element and keeping you swayng through the confusion. hypnotic.
djent is a genre all about technicality and skill, so to hear nothing stand out is just "missing the whole point"
Edit: lmao brad brings up liturgy seconds after i post this, i was really just drawing a comparison to albini first and foremost
Wow, well, the pop-oriented prodiction is the only thing carrying this through. The vocals punch through and shine perfectly constantly, it's so vocal-heavy it's almost a mistake...are we listening to the same band? , the other elements are blended together to appear like an extension of the voice, maybe that's why you think it's muddy? But that's their trick. Every gimmicky band has a trick, this one is theirs. To design every single element as an arrow pointing at the vocals. The musicality is watered down as hell, nothing interestin going on and the vocals are the same as any show off-ey dude from the 90s. Why are they so famous then? Why are they exploding the way they are? It's 10000% cause of the production making you feel he's an amazing singer. What else could be? Their genre bending? Lmao even normies are cringing at the hip hop parts, you've probably seen the reactions.
This is not a djent band... This is an alt rock pop band that listened to Pink Floyd once. The downtuned guitars and screams are very popular to sprinkle in here and there in alternative and indie music, but perhaps that's confusing all the normies and metal dudes who think downtuned guitars and screams are just a metal thing when here it's used for ambience. AND they're mixed like part of the ambience too, they're not front and center like the music you are used to.
I don't know why I took so long just to say that, yes they suck, but also you're wrong, kind of objectively.
@@Arcanineisthebest we love the passion, a bit hostile tho i won't lie.
P sure we're on the same page here as I was alluding to the fact that this fails in the djent category.
I tend to fail to know what's popular and what's not. I often think my bands are mainstream until i crawl out from under my rock and talk to peeps. Idk, not much worth to put in it. Not much to touch on there.
I personally dislike clean vocals and prefer more dissonance in most music I listen to. tbh, probs why i love albini productions. c:
@@Kino_the_Crusty Sorry English is not my first language so maybe it sounded very hostile, would you believe I wrote it in a playful tone in my head? Lmao
production on this album feels more popish where you need the instruments to have a much wider range frequency wise, but metal already has enough instruments to balance the sound even with no/very raw production.
so what this album really suffers from is an identity crisis. it feels like at times it wants to be either a pop album or a metal album, no interesting inbetween like it’s supposed to be
I heard someone say this album was if Joji made a djent album that was produced by Dr. Dre.
insult to dre
@@benhlogsnot really tbh. Dre physically assaulted Tairrie B back in 1990
Metal was the last genre I'd expect to hear this overdone vocal style in....
Seriously. I am dismayed that it's here now. If you like this band, listen to it. But not liking it myself does NOT make me a gatekeeper.
@@joeylummox7330 If people said they loved this band for the pop and liked that it had some metal thrown in there I would have no problem with people hyping it up, it's when people wish all "Metal" sounded more like this that I get a severe chill running up my spine and throughout my whole body.
If sleep token fans listened to ed sheeran and northlane they would probably be just as satisfied
@@2000Doriyas 🎯 💯 🎯 💯
Luckily it's not metal then
This sounds like an ai listened to mastodon and Deftones as well as some other metal bands. Then made songs that sound like all at the same time while somehow sounding like none of them with vague incel lyrics
Pop and metal can work, case in point: Poppy. I Disagree is an album that makes that combo work, because it’s not just pop and metal, it’s very specific blending of pop and metal sub-genres that Poppy found common ground with in her songwriting. Sleep Token just jams rnb and metalcore together without bothering to find that common ground, and it comes out awkward and lame. I Disagree in comparison is alternative metal and power pop, industrial metal and dream pop, it’s looking for genres that can actually work together, and the end result is an album that makes the combo seem natural.
I do love Poppy's I Disagree! I suppose in retrospect, some of the genre combinations aren't all that natural or don't feel as seamless compared to her.
I Disagree is so god damn good
I love poppy but I have to disagree
Yes that's a more interesting interpretation of a metal and pop combination than what Sleep Token does
That, and Babymetal. Although I dare to bet Brad is going to hate Babymetal
They literally have the truck month wooo-oooaah backing vocals on the summoning
53:42 - 54:05 this moment got me dead, I had the same reaction. Btw I love Sleep Token, I am huge fan and I listen to them since 2019 but I do dislike a lot of stuff they did on this record, a lot of the flows and the more poppy-trap singing from Vessel are pretty cringe and I can't resonate with that stuff, there are a lot of boring generic piano parts with just singing especially in the second half of the album that are pretty bad and cliché, but I still really really love everything else. I suggest to listen to Sundowning which is their best work, I think it is really a masterpiece with a tone of beautiful and gorgeous songs that I hope you all can appreciate.
"Instead of making something actually feel large through composition, it tries to fix it in post"
Brad perfectly describes every butt rock song from the last ten years.
Butt rock is a guilty pleasure of mine it's really nostalgic
@@Dante_yo_son_of_sparda_yo77that's okay. Listen to whatever you like.
@@mitchlmitten5874 that and indie emo
Such a banger comment. Captures my thoughts exactly.
Seeing Brad appreciate Death is awesome. I wonder if he'd like necrophagist
I mean they are one of the greatest metal bands ever so
i think he reviewed it on aoty and he enjoyed it
still not over the "twink metal" comment😂😭
I wish everyone could get the same euphoric enjoyment out of this album as me but I do really love Brads take on this album. He gives it a fair shake and it’s just not his thing, not everyone will like everything that they hear. It’s why music is so awesome, so many different sounds and ideas that work for some and not for others. I know I really can’t stand some of the music Brad loves but I love hearing him talk about why he loves it and the experience he gets from it.
This a goodass coment
Such a dog💩💩💩💩band
As you were listening to this, I was trying to put my finger on what this felt like and by the time you got half way I figured it out: it's the TikTok-ification of metal. It's meant to have 4 or 5 moments to make a viral clip out of and that's really apparent throughout.
pretty much hit the nail on the head. so many times during this video I could feel the ‘tiktok drop’ bait and it ruins what would otherwise be a whatever album imo
@@GrimthaulRecords I could see the "I could be your angle or yuor devil" posts in my head so many times. So many fedoras and trenchcoats...
Except Sleep Token have been around 4 years longer thatn Tiktok
@@benking2271 and when did the album come out?
I had the same thought listening to the first few tracks, it feels like metal that people on TikTok would use to make edgy aesthetic edits about how much they miss/hate their ex.
my thoughts on the vagueness of the lyrics as someone who’s written songs for 9 years: it’s not so much that the lyrics are vague, but that they’re written in a way that makes them sound as if they’re unsure of what they’re saying and the message that they want to get across. if they’re a band with a lot of lore and want to make a concept project, they need to solidify that concept, to be sure of what they’re talking about, and to know what they want their audience to receive. the writing (and the vocals) is what bothers me the most as someone who’s mainly a lyricist when it comes to music. it was just so clear that they didn’t really know what they were trying to say, and it feels almost disrespectful to their audience that they didn’t feel the effort was worth it to actually be certain of the concept that they were basing all that writing on. and it really comes through that they were uncertain really comes through.
This is definitely accurate. I haven't gone super deep with their lore but I think some of the songs have specific concepts behind them and others might not (or at least are written too uncertainly to make the concepts clear). I know the cryptic nature of it all is their shtick but it feels like sometimes the lore provides an easy excuse for unfocused writing
They clearly knew what they were trying to say. As you are someone who claims to be mainly a lyricist, it's weird you couldn't figure it out. Some stuff is very personal and hard to relate to, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a clear focus cause you didn't latch on to it. What a weird take dude.
@@mattcubed9658 they clearly did not have a fleshed-out plan of their lore or message in many of these songs or lyrics. i will admit there are some songs where it seems to be pretty solid but i can tell you in a lot of instances, it’s not something that is just “too personal for me to understand,” it’s just that they don’t understand what they’re going for either. you pick up on things like that when you write for such a long time.
@@quinnjones4629 You clearly don't know how to write then cause they do. Also it's filled with call backs to his first hand and connected to the other two albums. It's pretty focused. If you struggled to understand, just say that. That's not the artist's fault, cause other people did understand. That's a you problem respectfully.
@@mattcubed9658 some of these are literal discombobulated narratives that belong in a 14-year-old’s poetry notebook instead but go off
mick gordon made the entire planet think that djent is something actually mainstream viable and not an extremely niche genre that needs an ungodly amount of skill, money and time to do well (and even then a lot of people will not vibe with it no matter how well it's done) and now every modern metal album is trying to sound like fucking doom
Comparing this to Mick Gordon is like comparing pebbles to a mountain
@@tsg_frank5829 That's what happens when the pebbles pretend to be mountains.
Not mick, Periphery and Meshuggah really codified it. Both of those bands are also god tier musicans so...
When he started singing "island boy" I collapsed an organ. Maybe my spleen idk yet.
Please listen to Loathe’s “I Let It In And It Took Everything”, it’s amazing front and back
This music doesn't make me feel a single thing.
🎯 💯 🎯 💯
Is annoyed a feeling?
It's completely soulless, I agree.
Sleep Token makes me feel extremely bored
They are the New fabulous 🤩 thing for stupid kids and idiot chicks.they are the new wawe for that new generation of empty music
The best way to describe this album and band is that it’s meant for people who really aren’t into metal but can get into it by listening and relating to this music. I don’t listen to any metal bands at all but this album popped up and I really liked it. I know that’s also the main reason why a lot of fans of metal don’t like this band but because it can be received and liked by a wider audience it probably will make this band and album massive in the coming months and years.
I think bands that serve that purpose are so immensely valuable. I finally managed to enjoy elements of metal I used to find unlistenable thanks to Lorna Shore’s latest album.
And I was highly motivated to learn to enjoy metal because I’ve loved metal(and/or hardcore)-adjacent music for most of my life.
Transitional genres and artists are extremely helpful, imo. I definitely wouldn’t be starting down the metal rabbit hole without a number of artists and genres that purists probably find cringey & revolting, haha.
Hey now, we were a small but dedicated bunch of metalheads in the Sleep Token fanbase before they blew up on TikTok and more non-metal fans started discovering them (which is a good thing, don't get me wrong)
As a huge metalhead, I think there are a lot of solid songs from Sleep Token that have an ominous, enjoyable, and heavy feel to them. They just aren't on this album.. I think it's more that metal fans generally don't like when a band gets popular RESULTING in these kinds of changes when it comes to their sound. They sound like they're experimenting in this album, but they're experimenting with the kind of music that a lot of metalheads generally don't like. It sounds super pop-ish and IMO doesn't line up well with the -genuinely- metal af concept that the band is supposed to follow.
I don't really care tbh bc I just save the songs I like and move on, but I can understand why other metalheads would turn their nose up at how Sleep Token is moving forward with their style.
@@EnbyAndromedaSleep token has barely ever been metal though. This album really isn't a huge change from the other two, especially not their first album.
I LOVE METAL. This band is crazy good.
He just sounds like he is trying to do a new twist on the “I’m sexy singing in cursive” sound that people have been doing for years …I wanted to like them but I just can’t with the way he sings 😭
Imadjent Dragons
IMADJENT DRAGONS- you also came from Nik
This is the perfect example of if you've heard one of the songs on this album, you've heard them all
It's extremely rare that I dislike an artist's singing style.
I hate this band's singing style.
Yeah same. The constant vibrato is so obnoxious to me. I feel kinda bad for saying that but I really find it hard to listen to.
Sameee. Can't stand it
This album is Legoshi core
Legoshi Legoshi Legoshi, we summon thee (haha summoning)
Confirm or deny this
I just love black-white extremes. One side is super positive about these guys and this album in specific, praising the talent, the blending and the general structure of the songs, and the other side is just roasting the hell out of it saying that almost nothing is functioning in this project and everything sounds messed up and... is not metal... or whatever :D
Pretty dismissive if the other side ngl. We aren't saying this is bad because "its not metal"
@@xangrycatmanx5104maybe you aren't but I've definitely heard that take from self-described metalheads before (and they're not entirely wrong)
I get the sentiment. Personally I like it. I like it not really knowing the lore. I really like the way it sounds, I like the lyrics and have had the songs stuck in my head for weeks in a good way. Personally this has been my favorite album this year. But it's not for everyone, so I was curious what someone's opposed opinion would be. I can see it, I get it. I still love it.
Dont take this the wrong way, but i think you like Sleep Token
Loved Sleep Token for years now. Its kinda weird and hilarious to see people ripping on them so much now
I 100% get the criticism of them but they have a special place in my heart.
Same here. It’s been great to see them blow up but also very weird to see them treated like a pop band
Completely agree, been on board since their second ep, but I suppose if more people listen to a band there's also more people who don't like it which is fine. People generally don't vocally criticise smaller bands either because it's just kicking down, but they're not small anymore
@@bruxxy6814 Weird to see them as not small anymore. As I love Sleep Token since the beginning it kind of hurts a little to see such criticism on them, but I totally get it. Still gonna love the band as always, and I love that they're this big now, they kind of deserve it in my opinion.
@@randomname191 because they are, the majority of their stuff is pop and adult contemporary leaning they’ve done the thing where they released metal singles and the rest of the album is pop like three times now
Every single song on the album is amazing. Completely understand how people may not like the crossover of genres but damn I love this album sooooo much
Sameeeeee bro. I love everything about it personally
Pretty much. I respect each approach to this record (and band), while also politely disagreeing. Deftones-esque, while also having its own sound.
It’s not even the cross over of genres. Just because you have a mix of genres does mean you’re good at making that music, in my opinion it’s just bland ass hell and corny.
@@GlassWigs Then we agree to disagree. Makes sense it’s not for everyone but imo it’s anything but bland.
@@floboost5750 Agree to disagree 🤝
The reason brad doesn't like this is because he has a girlfriend. He can't relate to this album cause hes got too much rizz. Massive W for Brad.
Whats that got to do with anything? Sleep Token's song's aren't about relationships per say. The lyrics are about the Sleep Goddess the band is named after.
@@hitman9198 because the kind of person to care about the lore of a metal band is the kind of person who doesn't have a girlfriend because as soon as they meet a woman who says they like metal they say "oh really? Name your favourite albums" and when they say Black Album they roll their eyes and go "I bet you don't even have the album cover for Dawn of the Black Hearts as your phone background"
@@SuperNuclearUnicorn I've been married for almost 4 years. With her almost 9. Sleep Token is also one of her favorite bands. Stop trying to sound smart.
@hitman9198 it's a joke...
@@xangrycatmanx5104 like you?
Someone in the chat said "Issues did it better" and you know what I actually really appreciate that take
volumes too
I actually agree with that
100% what I was hoping for when I heard about the genre infusion in this album, was a bit let down but I don't hate it. Probably won't revisit the album a ton
It’s 100% true lol
And Loathe does it better than Issues.
Yep, this sound like "metal" music that Tik Tok would recommend alright
When speeds it up you can hear how insane the pitch correction is on the singer's voice.
I am a metalcore listener and think the album is okay but I am already triggered that this is gonna be on top of every Metal AOTY list for being "innovative" because Metalcore has so many stale and samey bands that as soon as something sounds grand and is a bit different it stops being metalcore and starts being higher art to the community
I think this is a band with their own style and their music is solid, but in the metal community there is the vibe that theyre that artistic, boundary pushing, genre defining second coming of Christ and I dont see it
CHAT PILE IS METALCORE
CHAT PILE IS METALCORE
PEOPLE ARE TOO AFRAID TO SAY IT
@@khalilal-bukhari7042 I see the metal part, but not the -core part
@@MaxJernigan-km8si it is literally more hardcore than it is metal
Genre locking Sleep Token is really what the problem is. The music industry and people have been doing this for ages. Like when Deftones was labeled as Nu Metal lol. Genre locking has been what's ruined or dulled alot of our favorite artist. Sleep Token have the freedom to do what they want, anonymously, little to no advertisement. You like it or you don't.
@@Booya456 PREACH!
the problem isn't sleep token's genre experimentation......it's the staleness of everything else😂
I'm glad that Brad and Fantano talked about this album, because I really couldn't put into words why I didn't like it so much and they put it so eloquently. It made me happy because I felt like I was taking crazy pills after seeing all of the overwhelming support for this album.
It's really been disheartening. Maybe I'm being dramatic, but I don't know how to feel when people are heaping praise and some are even saying "Best Metal album of 2023!" and what I'm hearing is perhaps the most soulless music I've ever heard. It feels AI generated its so empty. It feels like the shallowest version possible of every style it seeks to emulate. It sounds like music concocted specifically for fuckboys to pass around in thirst traps on TikTok. I really, really don't like it. To have this become the greatly hailed project on the metal scene is definitely a bit alienating.
two nobodies that think anyone cares about their braindead opinions lol
I'm with him 100% on the vocals. I cannot stand them.
There are little bits of sleep token that are enjoyable but the whole main idea is not my kind of metal
That's how I felt. Individually good sometimes beautiful moments that mesh in very ugly ways
the problem is the good ideas here are present in other better bands. Why would i listen Sneed Token when i can listen to Loathe?
I think if you look at it under the guise of metal it'll be underwhelming, for me its not really a metal album its just a band doing what they want to do and experimenting with different sounds and i really enjoyed it
It’s not suppose to be metal or is it trying to be metal, their music sometimes has heavy moments
@@miserirken loathe us great but I would compare them to sleep token at all, they are a shogaze, metal core mix. And btw the members of loathe love sleep token lol
Glad you think the same because I was definitely not sure how to feel about the album. I liked some parts with the heavier instrumental but then it would die down and they would start singing again and I would skip it 💀. The music isn’t bad but the cursive singing takes me out. For me I just was looking for music with screaming + singing not just one or the other like I have heard with some music. If anyone has any good recs please drop them I need more music to listen to.
I feel the same way, the singing on this album is just insufferable😭
Bmth does screaming + singing 10 times better, definitely recommend the newer album and Sempternal stuff, along with There's a hell too
Edit: Also Jinjer and Spiritbox does that very well too
Unprocessed ...And Everything In Between. Best metal album of 2023.
Idc what anyone says, I love the end of The Summoning. It just tickles my nuts in the best way possible and despite the Halsey font singing, I love it.
It's probably the best song on the album.
Chokehold is was better imo after that TMBTE is following. It's just sad that they didn't play the latest songs on tour
I like sleep token a lot but this was hilarious
Wow, after the initial shock factor of hearing the switch up on The Summoning when it first released, it really doesn't hold up very well...that was a lot less grimy than I remembered
That's what happens with gimmicky songwriting it works at first and sounds extremely cringe with time
It threw me off when I first heard it, and on subsequent listens, it turned to feeling like something left on the cutting room floor from a 2010s Arctic Monkeys record.
57:35 - I see someone in chat asking for recommendations of prog metal with influence from other genres besides Dream Theater, Opeth, and Tool, and will answer here bc this is kinda my department lol
Between the Buried and me - album rec: Colors and Great Misdirect, both are masterpieces
Enslaved - album rec: E
Voivod - album rec: nothingface
Ever Forthright (only has 1 album so far)
Painted in Exile - album rec: the ordeal
A FEW RECENT DISCOVERIES I’VE MADE (haven’t checked out all these bands’ older stuff yet, these may not be their best works)
Alkaloid - numen
The Hirsch Effekt - Urian
Rannoch - conflagrations
Urne - a feast on sorrow
how you forgetting haken and periphery
So good to see alkaloid receiving some love lol
Ne Obliviscaris is great too
My take is that early sleep token had much less pressure on their creative writing process. Now that everyones got their dirty hands on them they don’t know what to do with themselves.
3:11 For me the only truly successful fusion of pop and metal is Andrew WK’s first album I Get Wet
I disagree, its Poppy's I disagree
Poppy I Disagree
@@TheAbandonedAccount7 yeah that makes sense. But leaving hair metal out of the equation, i think I Get Wet is the first successful result.
@@Cameron-bz7ji I Get Wet was an absolutely huge album, so it was definitely a very successful genre fusion
I was kinda nervous to watch this video since I'm a big Sleep Token fan and absolutely love this album, but I thought you were very respectful and made a lot of valid points. Thanks for giving it a shot and for not being mean to the people who like it! You're a treasure, Brad!
This album sounds like when you’re listening to music on the highway with your windows down and everything just kinda gets lost and muddy
some people really are hyping this band up to high heavens - WHY ?? HOW ??? jfc the singer is the manifestation of that old ”indie singer shows you whats in their kitchen” vine, overdramatic in the annoying theatre kid-way. uninspired composition and instrumentation, the genre blend is a sloppy joke - instead of actually trying to make a legit fusion it really just is ”now we are playing this style” and ”now we are playing that style”. are people listening to ST ironically? is that it, am i missing some joke here?
in b4 all the ”AKSHUALLY”-comments. jeez ”incelcore” and ”im 23 and this is deep-metal” really hit the nail on its head. you do you kids
Lmao I'm 23 (the target audience for this band) but good God I don't get the appeal of this band
Meh if anything it feels teenage coded or at least meant for 18 yr olds the way it’s so emo for the sake of it.
I may send in some Bad Omens after seeing this video. Sleep Token, Bad Omens, and Polyphia have gotten really popular in similar circles recently. I think Bad Omens does a far better job at genre-blending than Sleep Token and while differing, there’s enough similarity to connect the two, but Bad Omens executes their lyrics in a way that is far more enjoyable and open to interpretation without being the type of vague that Sleep Token is. Their mixing is also much more enjoyable to me and in my opinion, they execute a similar style generally better than Sleep Token do.
he didnt like just pretend
@@km606x that’s too bad. I think that in comparison to sleep token though, they’re just better overall
@@quinnjones4629I disagree. Bad Omens just kinda sucks tbh
@@km606x Oh cool, did he make a review?
I agree that Bad Omens does it better. They also feel more authentic to me in comparison. But I’m a very big fan of all of their albums and have listened to them a LOT, so I’m biased.
I think the weirdest thing about this album is everything you hate about it is everything I like about it. Idk why I think it works very well while other people think the complete opposite. To each their own tho!
I agree. His take on this is literally false. lol. He doesn't even know what THE SUMMONING is about. Its not Incel core AT ALL. Its literally an album about a flourishing relationship and the fall of a relationship. He doesn't seem to know or understand the LORE behind it all. Its almost fantastical and theatrical, but in the best most amazing form possible. I absolutely LOVE this album. Hats off to Vessel for being the genius he is. Its very Logical and makes all the sense, the transitions and composition is crazy amazing.
@@blastedcorpse271lol ThE LoRE!!!!!
allat lore just to sound like ass…..
@@blastedcorpse271 "Oh THe lORE" buddy you know what OTHER bands make albums with lore? Periphery and Haken, but they do it a hundred million times better. Good musicians with lore > bad musicians with lore
@@thepotatotaxi2430 Im aware. I wouldn't say that do it any better, just a different style. I think thats whats missing in that whole rant.
I unironically got Trauma Queen flashbacks several times during this video.
this might not be the best time to say that i’m going to a sleep token concert this year… but i am
Ooh, it's like a fusion of Jazz and Crunk. It's called Junk.
Sleep token is just cliche asf, the vocalist alone makes me never want to listen to music again.
27:20 forbidden sleep token nightcore remix
I discovered sleep token through this video. I hated this album when I heard it for the first time, but then I got some of the songs stuck in my head for days. The album grown on me when I re-listened to it, and now I love it. Thank you for making this video, you are my way of discovering new music.
I like this album but someone said "We have Starset at home" and it made me realize why I like this album
this comparison is hilarious because starset’s song writing is so basic and cookie cutter that it makes the uninteresting parts of this album seem creative by comparison. considering the reasons brad hated this album, he’d probably despise starset.
Ok but Starset kinda goes hard. Transmissions and Horizons have some great instrumentals.
you're welcome
@@khybrif he hates starset, he must hate Sempiternal or Hybrid Theory/Meteora
this album is ridiculously better than starset.
One thing I dislike about Sleep Token is their image doesn't match their sound very well. I think bands like Slipknot and Portal have a look that matches their sound but for Sleep Token its weird seeing someone looking like a cthulhu worshipper singing like Sam Smith.
Hence the mainstream appeal and shallowness
Just for curiosity,what Do you think about the band Ghost?
Guess you never heard of never judging a book by it's cover. Do you judge everyone by how they look?
@@eaglesandowls how could I do that if I know about them and have listened to their music. Also I was more talking about image, which is important with Sleep Token because it is obvious they put effort into how they look. Which personally doesn't work well with the band since it feels out of place with their music, it feels super mismatched. With that is a common theme with this band with their music feeling like different songs from different genres stapled together, it is not coherent.
@@JOsHuA70700 I'm not a fan
brad youre acting like you were not spotted commenting on the latest ai spongebob stream within the first 30 minutes of it going live
Poppy is the only artist I know that managed to combine pop and metal perfectly
Same nonsense as this. See also Shitbox and Bad (band) Omens. Keep your pop tripe out of my metal, you children!
@@joeylummox7330 Good thing it’s not actually metal and it’s Metalcore.
And no, Bad Omens and poppy are genuinely great pop artists. Don’t be so cynical, The Death of Peace of Mind is a phenomenal album.
@@ryanbollinger1759 metal elitist
@@carts.g How am I an elitist, I love Metalcore and Bad Omens is one of my favorite bands.
@ryanbollinger1759 is metalcore not a subgenre (thus under the umbrella of) metal? Asking genuinely, bc I only just recently started dipping my toes in the metal waters and all the discussion about subgenres and labeling is really confusing to me. Is metalcore considered a subgenre of hardcore? Or is it not a subgenre because it’s distinct enough to just be kind of in its own world then?
I can’t quite figure out which things get to be labeled as “metal” in the broad sense, as in being under the umbrella, and which things can’t.
I think I might try to listen a bit more of this album on my own, but the first impressions it gave me is that it can go from being "Suicide Squad Official Motion Picture Soundtrack" to "Doom Eternal OST" out of nowhere. And I agree with someone who said it feels like the Tiktok-ification of metal, like it feels really cheaply structured (with quick payoffs and vague lyrics) and the singing feels like it's it made to be lip-synced to by. Still, the genre mixing is interesting but I think it's not well done, and the thing about the mastering and mixing is a valid criticism that brad made cause it doesn't let you really immersive yourself into the music.
The spongebob clip at the beginning was perfect 😂
Literally so many different bands that do genre fusion in metal. Zeal and ardor, deftones, and infectious grooves are great examples. Somehow sleep token ends up sounding like a top 40 “band” with the worst djent breakdowns.
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@yammerrryeet511. Fusion in Metal is extremely common. Funk Metal, Industrial Metal, Groove Metal, Alternative Metal, Nu-Metal/Rap Metal, Avant Garde Metal, Prog Metal, Symphonic Metal, Modern Metalcore.
53:35 I LOVED how Brad was just praising something to just leave regreting everything he just said
I have a friend that called this album “all music in the universe divided by zero.”
Tell them to write a book. About anything. They have a way with words 😂
@@unknown6390...so maybe I SHOULD be a writer
Sleep Token is for folks who think Ghost is “too extreme”
Smooth brain take
I don't get the hype about this band. I feel like Tesseract and Uneven Structure was doing this sound over a decade ago. The music isn't bad or anything but it sounds like pretty surface level djent/pop stuff.
Finally someone said it. I really wanted to like this album when I heard all the praise for it, but it just… isn’t that good. Two cliches at once ≠ experimenting.
Hello dog from raditude
My girlfriend has a shirt with the dog from Ratitude on it. She knows it's a godawful album, she just likes the dogo.
regular people: i don’t like sleep tokens new album
me, an intellectual: i don’t like any sleep token albums
Most intelligent communist:
This is metal for people whose favorite video genre is hot boyfriend TikTok edits
Bro was playing minecraft while writing granite.
Although I've got a lot of respect for Sleep Token and what they're doing, it's nice to hear you vocalizing some of the problems I have with this album.
If ramen with banana ketchup and pineapple bits was a sound, it would be sleep token's music
I'm a huge Sleep Token fan but this album just don't hit me like the one before. For me is a 5/10. This place will become your tomb is like a 9/10 to me.
This is one of your best videos in a while. If I have to be honest, I thought that your content was in a rough state, where you didn't interacted too much with the music and relied WAY too much on the soundboard, so it felt a little bit on pilot mode, maybe passionless.
However, in this video you felt more alive, you had a lot to say and explained yourself pretty well, and it got me to actually engage with the music, without drowining it with the soundboard, wich in this time you used it fairly well. It reminded me why I love this channel so much.
So yeah, great work, and sorry for the wall of text lol
I was feeling like I could vibe to this from all the descriptions until I heard the vocals and realised that it's just gonna, be like that the whole time. Nothing technically wrong with the style of singing, but it always just grates for me. Disappointed to land on the side of "dont like it!"
This is just like a half step above Imagine Dragons it’s really not that complicated
no
@@joejohnson6793 yes
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Metal for the suburban mom who tries to find common interest with her metalhead kid without actually stepping outside of her comfort zone in music
But why "metal " tough? Wouldn't that be like 5fdp,or late bth or smthing?
@@germansalas6159 the metal media, you know, clown shows like Metal Injection keep calling this metal.
@@germansalas6159 5FDP was one of the originals of mom metalcore for sure
We have the last couple Katatonia albums at home
A lot of Devin Townsend's albums (Ocean Machine, Infinity, Epicloud, and Addicted! being good examples) bring pop songwriting into a metal/prog environment, treading up to the line of being too obnoxious, cheesy, and overblown without playing hopscotch over the line like this record does. You hit the nail on the head when you said that this feels like 2014-era "alternative" pop
Yep, absolutely love Devin. One of my top artists of all time and a much better example of metal fusing different genres in a super effective manner.
They’re the kind of band your annoying theater kid coworker forces you to listen to on break and you have to smile and nod like you’re enjoying it
God,if I ever have a coworker that forces me to listen to Sleep Token,I would quit my job right on the spot.
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had no idea what this was, and it does so little i actually hate it. it sounds royalty free, whenever it isnt ripping off generic 2 out of 10 metalcore its a mix of radio stomp clap hey music + generic caribbean beat white people pop. i do not see how this album is so hyped and discussion is so contentious, its a blatantly commercial stinker, this is metal your parents could listen to
Not my parents, maybe yous though.
Devin Townsend is probably the only metal artist to my knowledge that has combined Pop and Metal to create something greater than the sum of it's parts. Addicted and Ocean Machine are a masterclass in combining dense atmosphere, pop sensibilities with metal structured songwriting and heaviness. This is what happens when you try and combine those aforementioned elements but at the most contrived.
Bad Omens also did it fantastically with The Death of Peace of Mind last year
@@ryanbollinger1759 that's extremely arguable. Sounds like rehashed Linkin Park.
@@joeylummox7330 I mean if you really wanna make a broad statement about Bad Omens I’d say they’re basically The Weeknd with Breakdowns. It’s a generalization about the band but hey I love the sound and I think they make much better music than Sleep Token by a country mile
Destiny potato, depending on the mood. It's actually super creative, check out these two songs: 1. indifferent, 2. blue sun.
This album sounds like a collection of eurovision songs. That's not a compliment
Eurovision is a derogatory term
@@Kalitayy Tru!
People forget that bands like Faith No More, System of a Down, Slipknot, new BMTH (to name a few) have been combining metal with pop and other genres near seamlessly for well over 10-30 years (respectively)
This album goes hard for people who never heard actual experimental metal
@@KatRose-0w0 and want it to simultaneously sound like the most radio friendly pop / rnb
Faith No More arguably pioneered mixing metal with other genres. Angel Dust is a 90s landmark.
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@@davidnissim589 10/10 album
If this is the direction that mainstream metal is going, I'm scared for the future
Same
I would take these guys over Five Finger Death Punch any day lol. Genre locking Sleep Token is a part of the problem too. It's like when Deftones got labeled Nu Metal back in the day 🤣
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brad is not beating the fantano drone allegations 💔
for some reason I thought Anthony gave this is a high rating so when this showed up in my rec i thought Bradley was escaping the drone accusations.
then he said that Anth gave it a light 2...
I'm a regular fantano and brad viewer and I was pretty confident, if either of them looked at this album, they'd both dislike it.
I would love to see the venn diagram overlap between Zack Snyder fans and Sleep Token fans
Never seen Brad sum up his feelings so well and accurate in the first 15 seconds of the video.
This band is a cult. You either buy into it full send or you don’t. And if you have ANY dissenting opinion your labeled as “old” or “out of touch” or “it’s not made for you”
this band & their fanbase is literally everything wrong with modern metal today.
@@gx1tar1er FACTS
Also love the Clairo profile.
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Twink Metal is one of the most funniest Things I've heard in my life
Nah I don't claim that, leave that term for Alcest or something that sounds good
@@nackskott12 madman's knowledge