My wife had a medical emergency and passed out while driving. She ran off the road into a field. Luckily the farmer saw it and called 911. The EMTs were getting her out of the car and into the ambulance, A state trooper arrived and proceeded to give my unconscious wife a ticket for reckless driving. The cops are the last ones you need in a medical emergency.
She's lucky they didn't arrest her for DUI. I saw a video of something that happened very similar to your wife but a responding officer thought the man was drunk pulled him out of the car and beat the crap out of him.
To be fair, when there's property damage--like the field, and maybe a fence--the driver who did the damage is responsible for it. Not that the timing makes sense, but the ticket might--if that's what the cop was doing.
"jail" - we NEED to bring back more terminal methods of handling this kind of thing. FAUCI admitted on TV - Rand Paul: Did you perform "gain of function" Fauci: We did not. We enhanced it... (How is FAUCI not prosecuted for WORLD WIDE CRIMES? Why isn't Russia, China, GB, and others not calling for his extradition?) That man and the US NIH is responsible for the murder of millions.
@@WakkasLove the 2 officers sure be off the job cuz what they did is wrong not only that the 2 officers cost other officers at the station to lose there job & or take a big pay cut do to 2 officers bring a man to jail not to the hospital that die...... that man life that pass away is on those 2 hands in bloody murder
-Probably resisting. -Should have complied. -Officers were in fear for their lives. -Unfortnately, all body cams malfunctioned. -We'll thoroughly investigate ourselves. -Thoughts and prayers.
Sadly, we the police must now sue this grandmother for the mental stress she has inflicted upon our officers by trying to hold them accountable for once.
23+ year paramedic here. I've had encounters all over the map with police on this. I've had police call us to medically clear people quite often, but I have also had officers interject themselves into purely medical situations and interfere with treatment of people that were clearly having medical problems, with no apparent crimes being in question. We also have dispatchers , and a system in the dispatching center, which sends police to all sorts of medical scenes where their mere presence can range from unhelpful to actually detrimental to the patient's outcome.( I really don't need cops questioning a grown woman in a private residence, who has committed no alleged crimes, about her alcohol consumption when she may be having a medical emergency , or questioning someone about their drug history/ consumption/ possession when I am trying to treat them for a medical emergency).
I had an extended argument with a 911 operator who did not want to dispatch an ambulance for my friend who was unconscious. The medical issue was well known, hepatic encephalopathy, which I informed the dispatcher of. The dispatcher wanted me to load her into my car and take her to the hospital. I insisted that I could not do that safely and became angry and abusive, (verbally), finally demanding an answer "are you going to send an ambulance or not?"
This really amazes me, because over here the roles are really clear, the ambulance people are in charge of what happens with the patient. Period. Police will only intervene if there is a direct safety concern, arrests etc can all be done later.
Good to see another paramedic make it past 20 years! I retired from fire/ems after almost 25. Let my NRP go, now RN. Like you, I have seen everything you mention. Because I was in the same jurisdiction for my career, I worked with the same police officers. I honestly can say I am proud of my county, there was always a strong emphasis on including the police in our response. Our officers have saved a lot of lives, they carry narcan for overdoses, have defibrillators, are integral in our high performance CPR (modeled after Seattle's program. Our cardiac arrest survival has dramatically improved), do joint training for active shooter situations and have a behavioral emergency response crisis team consisting of an officer with additional mental health training and a clinical social worker. The combined programs have made the cops I work with into true good guys n gals. There is always room for improvement, but putting the money in early, during the initial training and annually with ongoing training returns huge dividends. We have had similar incidents to what Steve posted, only with completely different outcomes. Cops requesting EMS, the officers getting as much info as possible, treating overdoses with narcan, willingly performing CPR, actively helping move furniture, secure pets, hold lights or IV bags... And of course there are times we do need to use chemical restraints. A last resort, usually attempting the crisis team etc... It actually can work.
@@horscategorie Sounds like you have a good team mentality with the cops. I have worked with about half a dozen police forces in my career( state cops, city, and 4 -5 small town forces in our county) . Mostly good guys and ladies. A few bad apples here and there, but ours have become comfortable with narcan use and half the time they have given it and reversed the overdose before we even arrive. Our officers are less likely to do cpr though. my worst encounter was a cop that was threatening to start making arrests because our patient's sister took affront to him insulting her brother( the patient) simply because he wanted to read a refusal form prior to signing it( something we had no issue with , but which p!ssed the cop off for some reason). He started with that crap and his partner came over , tapped him on the shoulder and told him it was time to go. We have a lot of long time medics out here. We have such a shortage I think that they would not let one of us retire right now if we tried. We are all working at 2-3 ems services and doing 50-60-70 (+) hour weeks on the regular.
I hate to point it out but it was the guys from the rescue squad (likely paramedics) that gave this patient a "sedative" (ketamine). Yeah. "First Responders". I was recently teaching paramedics when I asked one of them a question. He had been making comments indicating he felt doctors at the ED were ignorant. The question was along the lines of "What do you do when you see X?" His answer was "Drive faster.". I knew what his answer would be because I know what their qualifications are and what they are taught. Right now I am tutoring a paramedic that is going to medical school (actual medical school to be an MD). Every single day he has "holy shit" moments about what his training and abilities were as a paramedic. He now says his most important contribution to every patient was transport and his most important credential was a driver's license (tongue in cheek because he didn't typically drive the rig, but it's a good point). So I'll say I have had encounters "all over the map" with paramedics, to use your words.
How do you mess up this bad, unless you are attempting to try to do this intentionally? I hope they get man slaughter charges, this can't be the first time.
No doubt they will plead Qualified Immunity, because nobody's sued the department over a giving a heart attack victim Ketamine, so there's no established case law so he has qualified immunity.
@@Rokabur oh,and you've been able to prove it was intentional from a 10 minute video of a news article? wow,you are incredible with those abilities to assume. It's not what you know, it's what you can prove in court.
Alabama: That speed trap town. Old lady arrested for $77 trash bill. Old ladies arrested for helping stray cat problem. Heart failure victim arrested. Wtf, Alabama?
Police are often the 1st on scene at a medical emergency. It doesn't take that much training to recognise the most common events: Heart attack, stroke, seizure, diabetes etc, but when you start from the assumption that everyone is a criminal, stupid stuff like this happens.
Actually, it takes months of training to become an EMT-P who can actually figure out the difference between a cardiac, stroke, siezure or diabetes event. Cops are not trained in this field. From your comment you are either making assumptions or, saying it is easy for a cop who is a first responder and not even an EMT-B can differentiate between the various medical conditions. I call bullshit as a former NREMT-P.
@@crusher8017 You don't have to be able to tell the difference, you just have to recognise that one of them is happening and that you need to get them to a doctor ASAP, rather than batter them. Cops in the rest of the world are trained in this sort of stuff. That's why it takes up to 3 years to train them.
Having had a heart attack, I understand exactly what this man was feeling. I couldn’t even answer the guy at the ER that I couldn’t breathe when he asked what was wrong.
With a heart attack, every minute does more damage. Not only did the police prevent this man from getting life-saving emergency care, but they didn’t have anything close to probable cause to arrest him.
METH induced heart attack & Stroke- guy was NEVER going to recover. The Chemicals burn out the CALCIUM IONS in the Nerve dendrites that FIX MEMORY loss of speech is just the beginning ... it ain't pretty what a Heavy Meth load will do to the HUMAN brain.
In heart attacks, it's called the "Golden Hour" for a reason. If you get intervention within 45-60 minutes your likelihood of a good outcome skyrockets.
Not in my grandmother's case, she died before the they got her out the front door. Same with my neighbor. My mom otoh, had time for my dad to drive her to the hospital.
So they claim there was an open alcohol container in the car, but there was no alcohol in the man ... that tells me the police lied about the open container.
@@nathnathn Maybe, but most likely they needed some form of probable cause and since they clearly couldn't smell alcohol on him they just made up this "open container" as a pretext to arrest him.
As a very senior citizen, I am terrified after hearing so many incidents like this one, that I might be assumed intoxicated, and denied medical care when I need it most urgently. Besides, since when does being intoxicated preclude FIRST getting medical attention?
Bless your heart. It shouldn't. I so wish that I could honestly say that you as a senior citizen shouldn't have a worry there. Unfortunately I have seen so many senior citizens being mistreated and abused that even I can't reassure you. I will say, and I am sure I speak for a lot in saying this, if I am ever witness to it, I will do everything I can to intervene. I don't believe in murder or assault, but cameras and talking and reminding them how much trouble they will be in when that LIVE video gets out, usually works. They tend to do stuff when they do not realize they are being recorded by someone or only being recorded by cameras they have control of. You have a lot of us on your side. But with officers I can't in honesty say you shouldn't fear this. Our respect for our elders is almost non existent these days.
Reminds me of a case here in Canada a couple of years ago. A 19 year old good Samaritan named Yosif Al-Hasnawi who came to the aid of an older man who was getting mugged outside his mosque was shot with a .22 handgun. The paramedics came, and for some reason (that may or may not have been connected to the fact that the victim was a Muslim of middle eastern descent) decided that he had only been shot with a BB gun, and that he was just being dramatic and faking it. He died an hour later because they didn't provide him the appropriate care (they moved him in ways that are dangerous for a victim of a gun shot & delayed taking him to the hospital). The paramedics were found guilty and convicted for the part they played in his death. The same thing should happen to the cops in this case.
They received a slap on the wrist, and they are appealing that. They should have been charged and convicted of manslaughter. At least they were fired, but I wouldn't be surprised if they win their appeal that they will sue for their job back.
In the UK they did statistical studies and they found that non-whites consistently got worse care which resulted in worse outcomes. It's a bit of a scandal made worse by how it was hastily buried and there's no changes being made to address this.
@@stewartthompson72 yeah, the fact that they were convicted was good, but the sentence was infuriatingly low. Not as infuriating as the guy who actually pulled the trigger getting off though... At least with the paramedics getting convicted it sets a precedent. Assuming the appeal doesn't overturn it.
Not unusual. In Dallas, there was a man who called 911 to say he had forgotten to take his medicine and was starting to hallucinate. The police arrived, forced him down onto the ground, face down in the grass, and ignored his complaints that he couldn’t breathe. By the time the ambulance arrived, he was dead. Over in Arlington, police were called to do a welfare check on a woman who appeared to be passed out in the park. When the police officer arrived, the woman’s dog ran toward him. Witnesses said it was a small dog. The officer pulled his gun, fired three shots, and missed the dog three times. He did hit the woman, who died from her wounds. Two incidents, two people needing medical attention, killed by police, within a single metropolitan area, within just a few weeks.
This is what happens when you train cops to protect themselves over us. When they instill fear in them. Being a cop is not an especially dangerous job if you take out the long hours driving. 45% of cops who die on the job die in a car accident 45%. That's just regular accidents not rushing to the scenes or car chases. You actually have more chance of dying as a roofer.
Isn't that also where a couple of months ago a kid was shot at McDonald's because the pos cop saw the kid's car and thought it looked like one that fled the day before and then opened the kid's door and pulled his gun telling him to get out without ever identifying himself. And then the kid freaks out because a stranger opens his door with a gun he thinks carjacking and goes to back out and is shot. Side note, it wasn't the car that fled but instead a teenager eating with a girl in the car.
@Jeffrey Raiffe While it's probably useful to prosecute that doesn't really solve much. The root cause is a lack of training and/or bad selection when hiring cops. Until that is fixed stuff like this (and worse) will keep happening.
The man suffered, slowly from a heart attack, while the low life sociopaths watched. How do their family members sit at the same dinner table with such monsters?
And the worst part about this? I bet those monsters are neuro-typical and not sociopaths. It's a learned and trained mentality - they're taught by cop trainers to view all ppl with medical problems as "faking it" to get out of going to jail.
The police will claim qualified immunity: "We didn't know you should call for medical help when someone is having a heart attack. Oh, and we feared for our lives, so we arrested him."
I explained what you did to my invisible hippopotamus, and he is walking around the house, chuckling since nobody ever would send money to his Venmo account. I have a New Jersey area code, cell phone and I get I believe more scam calls than anybody but maybe that’s not possible however, my home phone here in Tennessee rarely gets a call, but it’s always a whopper when it comes in. Have a good Christmas be well keep fighting the good fight or if you choose play the Hooper game and just see how long you can keep them on the phone. I love that game and that means I am saving them from other people. Take care of yourself stay warm.
i know the courts have ruled in favor of the immunity but its outside the scope of what the immunity is there for. Firefighters and Paramedics also have the same immunity but it doesn't get abused
Having had 2 heart attacks I can relate to this mans predicament. I walked into the emergency room one time clutching my chest couldn't breathe or talk was able to point to the sign if your having chest pain. In 5 minutes I was was in the OR. This man could have certainly been saved had he had gotten medical attention.
sorry dont remeber the names but there is a town where someone got mouth to mouth and heart massages from a group of people till the bus arrived. He survived.
I walked into the emergency room, sweating and shivering at the same time (I had the flu), and clutching my chest (I fell and cracked a rib at home, the reason for the hospital visit). I think I managed to say something to the effect of "my chest hurts" and the nurse started yelling for people before I could get out the "I may have cracked a rib" part. They didn't need me to say "I'm having a heart attack", they just assumed I was and weren't wasting ANY time. It took a couple of minutes before I was able to explain that I wasn't dying, but I have ALWAYS appreciated the fact that they weren't going to let me die without fighting for me. As they explained, once they hear "my chest hurts", they ALWAYS assume heart attack, even if the patient initially says it's something else. Several years later, I saw one woman die because the chest pains she had been having for several days, she chalked up to indigestion.
It is worse still when a doctor treats for acid reflux and only for the patient dies at home in bed from a massive heart attack. I have thoughts on this I can say but not prove so I'll leave it alone.
I showed up an an ER with a chest pain. Turns out it was just sore muscles, but the hospital wasted no time in admitting me and running a ton of tests. How can be the cops be so negligent. It's criminal.
This reminds me of something that happened to me. I was in the middle of passing a kidney stone. Didn't know what was going on, just nothing but pain in the right part of my hip. Couldn't sleep, parents took me to the ER. I get to the triage, pointed where my appendix would be, and said "It hurts here". I was practically body slammed onto a gurney and the nurse sprinted me into what the bill called "Stage 5 ER". Surrounded by gunshot victims and other such serious cases. They were literally prepping me for the Operating Room, and there was maybe 12 nurses all around me. They sent me to get a CAT scan, and when I came back, I'll never forget the disappointment on all their faces when they found out "Oh, it's just a kidney stone".
I went to the er in Milford, CT in 1976, cause I got stung by a bee and my leg swelled up. The guy next to me was clutching his chest, breathing erratically. His wife is going nuts . They just tell them to fill out the paperwork... Then they come up to us and say you can go in now, I point to the guy and say shouldn't you take him first cause he looks like he's dying. They get all pissed and say to you want to see the doc or not. So we go in, I get a Benidryl shot and go home. I always wondered if he died waiting.
Steve's story at the end about the town drunk being hit by a car and the police sending help away is beyond frustrating especially when the courts covered for them. smh
Similar to Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386 (1989) a diabetic, asked his friend, Berry, to drive him to a convenience store to purchase orange juice to counteract the onset of an insulin reaction. Upon entering the store and seeing the number of people ahead of him, Graham hurried out and asked Berry to drive him to a friend's house instead. Respondent Connor, a city police officer, became suspicious after seeing Graham hastily enter and leave the store, followed Berry's car, and made an investigative stop, ordering the pair to wait while he found out what had happened in the store. Respondent backup police officers arrived on the scene, handcuffed Graham, and ignored or rebuffed attempts to explain and treat Graham's condition. During the encounter, Graham sustained multiple injuries.
@@KB4QAA If only that was pure fiction. Sadly sometimes reality outclass even fiction. Imagine being killed by suffocation for not breaking the law and ask them to stop harassing you about something you didn't do. Just search Eric Garner. Or being slammed on concrete and rendered paralyzed because you got too drunk. Just search Christopher Shaw. Or being shot 7 times by a police officer in front of your wife and children for informing them you have a firearm and license to carry in the car. just search Philando Castile. There are tons of exemples worse than his obvious memeing about how stupid it can go, his story was way less convoluted and more ironic, more obvious in ridicule, and is not at the expense of an actual dramatic event, turning it into a good joke. Can you get a good joke?
@@justicedemocrat9357 That has happened. In fact in Alabama, we had a man in prison, whose only offense was escape. He had been convicted of another crime, and then escaped. After his recapture he was exonerated of the first offense. However, his escape charge kept him in prison. I think his sentence was 15 years. Heck, we even had a man in a South Alabama county jail for more than 10 years, who had not gone to trial yet.
I would hate to be someone that is suffering from diabetes, because I see way to many debacles, when after having a low blood sugar emergency, the cops treat the people as if they are drunk.
@@murrijuana2842 Irrelevant, they charged him with being drunk on alcohol without supporting evidence, and they diagnosed his medical condition as drunk, again via their incompetence, which delayed getting him to medical care which is the request that brought them to his car to begin with. He needed help, they blocked him from getting help.
😮😳 What... in the actual... F?!?! You can take them to jail after the hospital confirms your suspicion. The treatment they gave in the drunk tank, certainly didn't help.
As a retired Air Force veteran, I think the issue boils down to training. If you are trained to respond to ALL atypical behavior with violence and/or handcuffs, then the outcomes are all pre-ordained. Arrest and incarceration. The adage is old and worn-out, but still very accurate: If you are trained to be a hammer, then all problems resemble nails.
Raised by a bad man with a badge (a LEO training Sgt in Seattle), I remember stories of his about "criminals faking medical problems" to avoid or delay arrest. He never believed them, mocked them, poked them with his billy club. If the suspect responded, they weren't "sick" and handcuffs went on. It was usually another LEO on scene that called 911 to "cover his ass".
@@C.Church I was raised by a cop too. I’d guess at least half of us have serious abuse in our childhoods. We can’t speak for random people our dads tangled with. We are victims too.
@@noosphericaltarzan I don't doubt you. I've long heard how cops take their work home with them. My dad was in the air force. He joined after we were born. As tiny kids he began having stand by inspections of our chores (he made a chores list for the fridge aka a duty roster). Any bit of imperfection meant total failure. And for report cards we had a one at a time "board" where we had to account for everything line by line while sitting in a chair facing the board (he and mom). And he was verbally abusive and physically threatening to us (all little girls... not that it's OK for boys but I often hear Adam Carola types say it's only a boy thing, dads are relaxed with daughters). I can only imagine if he became a cop instead. So sorry!
In 2008 I called 911 because of heart palpitations. Cops showed up along with the paramedics and fire department (cuz apparently every 911 call is an invitation to a whole party), asked if I had taken any drugs and I said I had taken cold medicine but it was several hours before. Ended up spending the night with an officer in the hospital waiting for my urine sample to (wrongly) state that I was on PCP! (never even met anyone who's tried PCP), then riding with him to spend several hours in jail, with the charge of 1st degree endangering a minor, because I was alone with my 2-year-old who would have been helpless if I had died. WHICH WAS WHY I CALLED 911. Thankfully the judge wasn't an absolute moron and dismissed the case, but I had to spend 3 months in utter terror before that.
My mom fell and broke her leg. Called 911. Firefighters showed up along with the paramedics. Either one of the firefighters or paramedics, stole money that was lying on our living room piano. It was 40 dollars. Didn't notice it was gone, til got back from the hospital. My bet it was a firefighter.
@@audreymuzingo933 Firefighters are not low paid. Yes EMT's are, firefighters no. My cousin is a firefighter. They make a very good living. Plus lots of OT available.
@Digswingen Actually the 911 operator asked. But if the cop had asked I probably would have answered too, because this was back when I believed the whole "most cops are good" and "always cooperate with the police and you'll have no trouble as long as you did nothing wrong' stuff. Now I think the good ones are the exception, and as for cooperating, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. They have a license to F over anyone they want. That night what that pig did was threaten to have Child Protective Services to come get my daughter if I didn't call to have family come get her (from 30 miles away in the middle of the night) and go with him to the hospital, "to make sure you're not in medical crisis." That in itself was a straight up lie of course; he wanted my urine tested and he did that without a warrant or my consent.
@@alvinmiller9038 Depends on where. But if you think firefighters make better pay across the board, then why do you suspect it was a firefighter that stole the money? 😆
North Alabama, this time. My friend's brother missed court, due to being hospitalized with a heart attack. City cops arrested him for no show. During arrest, he had another heart attack. Witnesses said he begged for help, which cops ignored. The Large city main ambulance/ Emt office was around the corner, less than 300 feet away. WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. In fact it would have taken longer to get in their ambulance and drive than to walk. He died because the Police did nothing.
I live twenty miles from Geneva. It's a small town where the police receive on-the-job training or are hired from other towns where the officers were " asked to leave " and of course these small towns hire them and this is a result. Our little city of 1500 recently had to fire our whole police force because not a single one had the certification needed to be an officer in Alabama. This is par for the course here.
This almost happened to me. I called for an ambulance and the cop showed up first, immediately saying things like "you are acting like someone on meth/drugs" ... paramedics showed up and said I likely was having a heart attack. Cop still stuck around at the hospital, had them do a drug test. I was almost drowning due to pneumonia. It took 3 days in the hospital before my heart was out of danger from low oxygen and the fluid in my lungs subsided.
@@michaelwaninger3155 Cops show up, anytime you call 911. For any reason. One they have literally nothing better to do. Hey we got a call to go on. Let's go. It's why you see nothing but bunch of cops standing around talking. At the scene of a car accident. All those cops aren't necessary. They just have nothing better to do.
@@michaelwaninger3155 because he was closer that the ambulance and around here cops are supposed to have basic emergency services training to render aid. Except when he saw I didn't need CPR, he went into dickhead mode.
@@michaelwaninger3155 tell me about it. About 2mo ago, my new neighbors who were only there for a few weeks had an ambulance roll up ,lights on and all that. I shut the lawnmower off ,ran inside and grabbed my camera and started filming. I was waiting for a cop to show up and escalate, but it never happened.
@@kn4cc755 can't be depraved indifference. Arresting someone is an overt contributory action. If someone already in distress when the police begin their interaction dies as a result of that arrest without further action that places either the cops or the citizen in jeopardy that is intent. Depraved indifference is an aggravating factor of negligence. Negligence requires that no overt action on the part of the defendant be taken but that the result of inaction was causative to the event that follows from that inaction. Therefore intent governs and this becomes premeditated homicide
I saw a video of a cop pulling a drunk driver out of a car which hit a pole. The cop was amped up and assaulted the man who was not listening to commands really roughed him up. Well long story short the man wasn't drunk, had a medical emergency, drove off the road and hit a pole. Imagine having a medical emergency and then being assaulted by the police and arrested.
When your job performance is based on how many people you arrest everyone looks like a criminal to you. Everything looks like a nail to a hammer. The difference is the cops choose not to care because they always assume the person is faking it and is nothing but a criminal.
Dispatcher needs to be named in the suit. Sending the police when medical assistance was needed? Poor training. Cops, same. Tired of poor decisions by cops. Qualified immunity shouldn't shield stupidity.
Saw another vid a few days ago where the police responded to a man having a seizure and beat and tasered his unconscious body for not complying. I guess when your trained to be a mindless hammer, every problem gets treated like a nail.
If true? They said he was drunk: no alcohol in his system. Gave him a drug I suspect nobody was qualified to give. Finally, took him to the hospital. I don't understand your comment. At all. Please explain.
If this is the most horrifying "allegations " you've ever heard, then you need to get out more. Since body cams, cop watchers and Auditors have become common we see now, have the evidence, just how twisted, violent and murderous the majority of cops are from coast to coast. Bad cops are not a rarity. They're the majority. And even killing the few cops that have tried to come forward to testify. They brutalize and terrorize and murder, they have total disdain for the public. They believe they are the Law, not law enforcement. They shit on and ignore the Constitution and our laws. THEY are the domestic terrorists that are trying to turn our democratic republic into a Authoritarian Police State. I hope you were kidding when you said this is the most horrible thing you've seen the cops do.
They denied him medical attention and that directly lead to his death. They should be charged with manslaughter at minimum and never be allowed to have control over another person again.
Drunks have heart attacks too, and you always error on the side of caution, and no one involved before the hospital did their jobs correctly. This business of paramedics ( hopefully not just EMTs) giving citizens Ketamine to calm them down is outrageous and needs to challenged, they are not qualified to make that determination.
On the 18th Dec 2010 my Dad had a heart attack right in front of me, minutes after I'd got home from work. He said he didn't feel well, then he turned the colour of a cooked lobster, then he flopped over and said my name followed by the word Ambulance, which was the last thing he said that day. He's ok now and has a pacemaker, but holy hell that was a terrifying evening. I can't imagine how broken inside someone has to be to find someone in that state and deny them medical attention. Even a complete sociopath would conclude that they should get help because it would absolve them of any blame. But apparently not, give the poor guy Ketamine, make him spend the last moments of his life strapped to a chair.
I had a neighbor who had a nearly identical situation , he was picked up by police thrown in the drunk tank, and when they later checked on him he was dead. It was determined by the medical examiner that he had had a heart attack. There was a big law suit but I never heard what the results were.
I know a women with chronic pain that was given Narcan and started breathing slightly more when they put her in withdrawal. The ER doctor had tunnel vision. He still didn't think about her not oxygenation properly and refused the X-ray that her husband begged for. He isn't the fact that she had been coughing and had been sick. After hours and A LOT of useless Narcan, she got a new Doctor on shift change that ordered a STAT X-ray. Her lungs were filled with fluid. He drained them, but it was to late. We lost her. The opioid epidemic claims a lot of chronic pain patients, usually by doctors not treating us and that causing cardiac, adrenal, or psych harm. He made the first (arrogant) doctor end life support, allegedly gave him some free cosmetic procedures, sued him, and made sure the case was taken to the medical board. Why did no RN call an on cal? No idea They held that murder accountable, I can only hope the wonderful death of this man results in accountant for all of these people.
This is something that's been creeping into my brain over a while, and that's "policy." Policy is obviously not on par with law, but is often used as a defence against some form of negligence. That doesn't make sense unless the policy also requires some type of comprehensive training and certification to make those decisions that can open them to liability. So I'm wondering how do so many departments get away with using policy as a defence when the policy does not equip them to make certain judgments? Not saying they should have omniscience, but in cases loke these it seems that regular concerned citizens seem to have more awareness than the professionals that are paid to respond to the concerns of the public.
I think you hit the nail on the head. In a nearby city, they let go a local fire chief and his assistant for doing nothing for a considerable amount of time while some of their employees harassed and tormented other fellow employees. They are fighting their dismissal because there was "no policy" for them to follow. Apparently for some people doing the right and correct action is impossible without policy. Of course, they also leave out that they could have updated the policies anytime they choose.
You're joking right? Police policy is responsible for citizens dying EVERY SINGLE DAY. They aren't all model citizens, but they don't all deserve to die either. All police do these days is protect people who hurt children.
Circa 2010, the city cops in my town received a call in the middle of the day of a driver swerving all over the road and possibly drunk. Cops pull the car over and arrest the driver for suspected dui. Turns out he had no alcohol in his system, but rather was having a medical emergency in the form of insulin shock. He was having a diabetic emergency and needed insulin. He died in the city jail in the drunk tank and the city quietly paid over $1 million to his estate and no cops were fired. Whole thing swept under the rug as though it never happened.
In my opinion, the cops who handled the situation at first should be in jail, along with the dispatcher, and multiple officials from the jail. All for at least several years. Any medical professional who dealt with the guy should also be in jail and should lose their license. In addition, the warden and the chief of police should be fired and banned from law enforcement forever.
@@bkane573 so, lock up every medical emergency cops come across; plus, you obviously have NO concept of what diabetes is......insulin shock is when blood sugars are too LOW; not insulin overdose; making your statement complete stupidity, as well as callousness
The first thing you learn in a first aid class, if you don't know if he's been drinking, then the alcohol smell could well be insulin shock. See if there is a bracelet or necklace. Other evidence of diabetes. Usually if not drunk, there is no alcohol smell on clothes, it is not hard, but check. Or do as some cops do, shot first. It is easier.
A customer on my newspaper route had COPD. One night he called 911 for help because he couldn't breathe. Police came along with an ambulance. Police called code enforcement because this sick old man's apartment had several extension cords running fans as well as general clutter and his place was cited for code violations and the city tagged it as unsafe, not the whole building, just his subsidized and yearly inspected apartment. The man died in the hospital 6 weeks later. How compassionate it was for them to treat an elderly sick old man this way by issuing him citations to court instead of trying to get him assistance he desperately needed for his day to day life.
There's an old William Shatner movie called "Million Dollar Hospital" that aired as part of Alcoa Premiere in 1963. In one scene, a staggering man comes in after the local beat cop mentions seeing a "drunk" and the cop tells him to get out or he'll run him in for public drunkenness. The old doctor examines the "drunk" and tells the cop he's not soused, he's in a diabetic coma. They don't mention it in the scene but there's two kinds of diabetic crises; when you go high and when you go low. When you go high you smell like you bathed in sugar. That when that movie came out, they had an actual, factual, medical situation and knew enough about diabetes in that era to include it in a movie and not even need to explain that the guy smelled sweet, that really stood out.
I've seen medics show up and act as badly as the cops several times. I've also had medics show up and stop the cops from illegally going through my gym bag. Evidently it just depends on which town you're in.
Search videos for Paul Tarashuk. Just a person like any of us suffered a mental episode and found half dressed hanging off moving semi truck. The EMTs were clucking chickens at him like he was a nuisance and interruption to their nap time (hard to admit as a woman) and released him to the equally annoyed cops who drove him to another county and abandoned him at a closed gas station (caught on camera). He got hit by a car and died. He needed help. The paramedic was retrained. The EMT fired. The cop... nothing.
As bad as cops pulling out a man that crashed his car because he was having a bad seizure but the cops busted his window, dragged him out, and beat him. The guy did not follow orders so they beat him.
Years ago in Michigan my sister was rushing her husband who was having chest pains to the emergency room. Turns out he was having a heart attack. She got pulled over for speeding. She informed the cop what was going on. He didn't want to hear it and proceeded with the stop and gave her a ticket. After the stop she made it to the hospital and he recovered fortunately.
About 20 years ago we had someone make a low speed crash into our construction fence, he was arrested for DUI. Turned out after the fact that he was having a stroke. Don't know what happened to him.
My sister worked as a nurse for 50 years. 1 night, 35 years ago, she was at work and heard a call on the pa for stat in the ER. Not her area of work, for some reason she decided to investigate. She went there and saw a white sheet placed over the patient. She asked what happened and the attendants said he was dead. She pulled back the sheet and shouted You can't let him die, that is my uncle. The doctors rushed back to work and after considerable work, revived him. He is still alive today, past 90 years old.
My Uncle was in the drawer in the morgue and they pulled his body out to tag his toe and he sat up! They done had the family come in and see him in the ER and tell him bye. Moved him to the morgue. This was like hours after the declared him dead!
@@OmniscientlyMe On the other hand, she easily could have left out the uncle part and said "you can't let this person die!", and that would have the same meaning as what she actually said. Text is tone deaf, it's hard to convey subtle meaning through it.
When I lived in Chicago, I came across a guy face down in the street, bleeding from his face. I didn't know what happened to him so I called 911. Cops show up and the 2 of them walked up to him and started kicking him in the stomach and telling him " get up, asshole". He was in no condition to do much of that. Anyhow, they threw him in the paddy wagon and told me he was drunk. Never heard another thing about it and I always wondered about the guy
In the 1970'S there was a similar incident in Clearfield, Utah. The man had stopped his car on the side of the road. He died in the jail, because the police suddenly had medical doctorates and licenses to make the determination the man who NEVER drank alcohol was drunk. The story was in the local news for a few weeks.
I have a friend who is epileptic. when he's having a seizure, the default assumption is he is under the /influence of drugs or alcohol. He had a seizure at the Edwards Air Force Base air show and was immediately surrounded by Military Police. I was explaining that he is epileptic and having a seizure. They didn't seem to be buying it but medical personnel arrived promptly and intervened. I am very grateful to them.
Elected officials and those who could potentially affect change in these cases, should be required to periodically, in public, discuss them and how are they going to respond.
@@AlanTheBeast100 Sometimes both are called. My wife is diabetic, so an ambulance call is sometimes necessary. The police show up to (apparently) make sure nothing else is going on and to give any appropriate assistance. Sometimes they get there first, sometimes after the ambulance. (In those cases they usually leave once the paramedics are taking care of things.) If there is a vehicle involved the police have been there every time. I've never seen a case of such a call where only the police are sent by dispatch.
@@ianh1504 Meanwhile, 20 years ago visiting Texas, I called the police and it took forever for them to show up and I could literally see the station from where I was.
why is EMS administering ketamine solely at the request of the police? this is a big issue that seems to be happening with more frequency.. when did we arrive at the conclusion that it's appropriate to drug someone in these situations? just because we tranquilize animals for our convenience doesn't mean it's reasonable to tranquilize humans for our convenience...
When 'somebody' is on the floor, clutching their chest and mouthing 'Help me.' There is only ONE deduction to make of this situation. HELP THE MAN! p.s. Everything else is a secondary thought. Either one can save a life or let let a life slip away. Which one do you want to be? Humanity is desensitized from their true reaction to know what is the right thing to do!
@@hellshade2 Yup. Psychopaths have no remorse or feelings of other human beings. They deflect it to sarcasm or other such emotionless expressions. I would have help the guy at all costs.
Far too many police do not qualify as human beings. I know from first hand experience, after a plainclothes officer grabbed me from behind without announcing himself, and arrested me despite knowing for a FACT I was not the suspect he was looking for. He had the guy's rap sheet and mug shot up on his computer in his unmarked patrol car, and we look nothing alike, in addition to the fact that the suspect was 8 *inches* taller than me. These facts did not stop the officer from charging me with Assaulting an Officer, Forgery (he claimed my ID was fake). Resisting Arrest, and Evading the Police (he claimed I had bleached my hair to avoid detection). The charges were dropped an hour later, after what I assume was a supervisor began questioning him about the arrest. Apparently kidnapping white blond teenagers from a public bus stop is frowned upon.
Can you imagine what is going through this guys mind, what frustration, horror and fear you are feeling as you're having a heart attack and the police show up, but instead of calling the ambulance to take you to the emergency room to find out what's wrong with you, you get taken to the drunk tank instead. 10:17 It sure would be a shame if those two officers had an issue and someone saw it, but just told them to sleep it off and stay out of trouble, as they died where they were laying....
Being a former Cop, I know why they didn't take him. To get medical clearance, requires sitting for a few hours in the ER, while medical staff examine him. The Cops were so damn lazy they didn't want to do that. That's fucked up.
I agree that our Police need better training. A friend went to Police Academy. I questioned him and was totally shocked at the lack of legal training they were given.
I had a friend who was at the park buying drugs, he got ripped off, tried to get his money back, and got shot. He stumbled out of the park, with a trail of blood behind him, went to a pay phone, covered in blood. A woman in the payphone booth saw him coming towards her, covered in blood and trying to ask for help, but could barely speak. She screamed 'get away from me', closed the door of the phone booth and held it shut and phoned 911 and said a drunk was harassing her and wouldn't leave her alone. He lived, when police arrived they saw the blood and called an ambulance immediately.
@@WitnessingTyranny I think it's we don't hold ourselves accountable anymore. I'm not a teacher but I watch "honestteachervibes". First she's a pretty funny person. But watch her Teacher Stories videos. She has 5 parts now. Truly astonishing stories of terrible behavior going without consequences and a system of bad admin and parents that demand such a system. And when a kid IS finally held accountable we see it on channels like Steve's where they are so unused to doing the right thing they have little tiny children hauled away in handcuffs for normal tantrums. A couple of decades like that is why this has permeated so many professions especially policing.
This is so disgusting. What sort of training do these Police Officers have? All they had to do was to call 911, afterwhich, if necessary, they could followup. I'd sue these Police and the doctors, left right and center. How dare they treat life so flippantly. And you don't know what sort of influence the Police had on the ER reception at the Hospital.
My thought too! I'm sure the officers told the hospital staff the patient was a combative drunk or on drugs, so of course the hospital proceeds with the information they were given. And of course, it then takes them too long to figure out the police were wrong.
I worked at a nursing home. We had a fully mobile, only slightly confused older man who was suicidal over the recent loss of his wife of over 50 years. He headed out the door one night, eventually located by me & another manager who happened to be working late (it was past 11pm). The man was walking on a very busy major road with no sidewalks with his back to traffic, right at the end of a blind curve where cars were known to come whipping around above the speed limit. We weren't allowed to call an ambulance because there was zero injury and he was officially of sound mind, so we had to call the police to try to get them to take him to a nearby hospital with a psych program that could help the poor guy. It took a while; I had to stand & reason with the guy while trying to prevent either or both of us from becoming a street pizza while the other manager (who hadn't had time to put on a jacket -- did I mention it was about 35 degrees outside?) ran the 4 blocks back to the center and called the police. First they sent 2 cruisers to the center to talk to the manager, despite him telling them exactly where we were & running back out to help me. Those 3 officers called for additional help because none knew "how to talk to a crazy old person." We eventually had seven police cruisers on-site with a total of 12 officers -- two of whom spent their entire time there lecturing me on how I should have stopped the guy, how we should put him in restraints, how we needed to keep him in a locked ward, how it was a problem for them that we'd called and we should've gotten one of our ambulances to take him to the hospital or driven him in one of our cars by ourselves, etc. etc. Literally *everything* they insisted that I, as the evening manager on duty, should have done was ILLEGAL and could have both sent me to jail and caused serious problems for my employer. During all this, the other 10 officers mostly talked among themselves (what I overheard was mostly stuff along the lines of, "How 'bout them Cubbies?" or "So wutchu doin' this weekend"?), with only *one* of them choosing to try to talk to the poor guy we'd called for help with. Eventually, the two idiots lecturing me got bored & left, two other cruisers left in a rush due to emergency calls, and one of the older officers coaxed our patient into his cruiser "where it's a lot warmer" and they took him to the hospital for a psych evaluation and hypothermia treatment. None of the other officers made any mention of all the crap I and the other manager were put through, and as the last cruiser began to leave the officer in the passenger seat rolled down their window and said she hoped the rest of my night was better because they planned to be busy later on. Never been so disappointed in law enforcement as I was that night.
One time my sister had a grand mal epileptic seizure in a grocery store. The police arrested her and threw her in jail where she was beaten by other prisoners.
In regard to the "town drunk", inebriated people are arguably at higher risk of accidents - being drunk increases the probability he was in an accident, it doesn't dismiss it.
I lost my son last year, he had been drinking, he was at home when he started to choke on a steak that his girlfriend had made, she called 911 and the police showed up not an ambulance. They knew he was choking and they gave him Norcal I think it’s called for drug overdose twice. From what I read that drug can also hinder your breathing.
I hope your lawsuit is currently pending. Depending on the state, police are not allowed to administer that stuff without a paramedic present. Even without that law, what the officer did was extremely dangerous. That stuff does horrible things to people with asthma, diabetes, or having a heart attack or seizure.
Same thing happened to our pastor. He ran off road and passed out. The cops called his wife she told them he didn't drink but he was a type 2 diabetic. There was silence on the other end.
@@lynchkid003 it was more of a discussion starter question. Clearly there are problems in the department and I was wondering if the county attorney would be looking at or questioning the behavior or perhaps the state has an oversight agency so that there is no conflict of interest.
My wife had a medical emergency and passed out while driving. She ran off the road into a field. Luckily the farmer saw it and called 911. The EMTs were getting her out of the car and into the ambulance, A state trooper arrived and proceeded to give my unconscious wife a ticket for reckless driving. The cops are the last ones you need in a medical emergency.
Especially ones that are clearly lacking any kind of common sense.
There’s a ticket ID DEFINITELY FIGHT! The absolute audacity of these people!
She's lucky they didn't arrest her for DUI. I saw a video of something that happened very similar to your wife but a responding officer thought the man was drunk pulled him out of the car and beat the crap out of him.
the cops dont care if you having a medical emergency. cops are high school bullies who found a way to continue to bully and are protected.
To be fair, when there's property damage--like the field, and maybe a fence--the driver who did the damage is responsible for it. Not that the timing makes sense, but the ticket might--if that's what the cop was doing.
As James Freeman says, "there is no situation bad enough that it can't be made worse by the presence of the police".
oh you beat me to it! exactly!!!
I am saving this quote. 👍
It takes longer to become a hairstylist than a cop.
That is correct in the US, but not in central Europe or Scandinavia
Words to live by
That is flat-out murder. That is beyond a lawsuit. Put those depraved, sadistic murderers in jail.
"jail" - we NEED to bring back more terminal methods of handling this kind of thing. FAUCI admitted on TV - Rand Paul: Did you perform "gain of function" Fauci: We did not. We enhanced it... (How is FAUCI not prosecuted for WORLD WIDE CRIMES? Why isn't Russia, China, GB, and others not calling for his extradition?) That man and the US NIH is responsible for the murder of millions.
At the very least it is negligent homicide
@@jennifertarin4707 Definitely!!
@@WakkasLove the 2 officers sure be off the job cuz what they did is wrong not only that the 2 officers cost other officers at the station to lose there job & or take a big pay cut do to 2 officers bring a man to jail not to the hospital that die...... that man life that pass away is on those 2 hands in bloody murder
@@havok9001 I agree. They need to be treated as murderers, because that is what they are.
May every single one of these police officers receive the same consideration they showed to this man.
May Karma descend upon them.
@@jimk5145 May the fleas of a thousand camels rest upon their loins
May they forever only have the very last half glued piece of toilet paper.
-Probably resisting.
-Should have complied.
-Officers were in fear for their lives.
-Unfortnately, all body cams malfunctioned.
-We'll thoroughly investigate ourselves.
-Thoughts and prayers.
Sadly
Sadly, we the police must now sue this grandmother for the mental stress she has inflicted upon our officers by trying to hold them accountable for once.
23+ year paramedic here.
I've had encounters all over the map with police on this.
I've had police call us to medically clear people quite often, but I have also had officers interject themselves into purely medical situations and interfere with treatment of people that were clearly having medical problems, with no apparent crimes being in question.
We also have dispatchers , and a system in the dispatching center, which sends police to all sorts of medical scenes where their mere presence can range from unhelpful to actually detrimental to the patient's outcome.( I really don't need cops questioning a grown woman in a private residence, who has committed no alleged crimes, about her alcohol consumption when she may be having a medical emergency , or questioning someone about their drug history/ consumption/ possession when I am trying to treat them for a medical emergency).
I had an extended argument with a 911 operator who did not want to dispatch an ambulance for my friend who was unconscious. The medical issue was well known, hepatic encephalopathy, which I informed the dispatcher of. The dispatcher wanted me to load her into my car and take her to the hospital. I insisted that I could not do that safely and became angry and abusive, (verbally), finally demanding an answer "are you going to send an ambulance or not?"
This really amazes me, because over here the roles are really clear, the ambulance people are in charge of what happens with the patient. Period. Police will only intervene if there is a direct safety concern, arrests etc can all be done later.
Good to see another paramedic make it past 20 years! I retired from fire/ems after almost 25. Let my NRP go, now RN. Like you, I have seen everything you mention. Because I was in the same jurisdiction for my career, I worked with the same police officers. I honestly can say I am proud of my county, there was always a strong emphasis on including the police in our response. Our officers have saved a lot of lives, they carry narcan for overdoses, have defibrillators, are integral in our high performance CPR (modeled after Seattle's program. Our cardiac arrest survival has dramatically improved), do joint training for active shooter situations and have a behavioral emergency response crisis team consisting of an officer with additional mental health training and a clinical social worker. The combined programs have made the cops I work with into true good guys n gals. There is always room for improvement, but putting the money in early, during the initial training and annually with ongoing training returns huge dividends. We have had similar incidents to what Steve posted, only with completely different outcomes. Cops requesting EMS, the officers getting as much info as possible, treating overdoses with narcan, willingly performing CPR, actively helping move furniture, secure pets, hold lights or IV bags... And of course there are times we do need to use chemical restraints. A last resort, usually attempting the crisis team etc... It actually can work.
@@horscategorie
Sounds like you have a good team mentality with the cops. I have worked with about half a dozen police forces in my career( state cops, city, and 4 -5 small town forces in our county) . Mostly good guys and ladies. A few bad apples here and there, but ours have become comfortable with narcan use and half the time they have given it and reversed the overdose before we even arrive. Our officers are less likely to do cpr though. my worst encounter was a cop that was threatening to start making arrests because our patient's sister took affront to him insulting her brother( the patient) simply because he wanted to read a refusal form prior to signing it( something we had no issue with , but which p!ssed the cop off for some reason). He started with that crap and his partner came over , tapped him on the shoulder and told him it was time to go.
We have a lot of long time medics out here. We have such a shortage I think that they would not let one of us retire right now if we tried. We are all working at 2-3 ems services and doing 50-60-70 (+) hour weeks on the regular.
I hate to point it out but it was the guys from the rescue squad (likely paramedics) that gave this patient a "sedative" (ketamine). Yeah. "First Responders". I was recently teaching paramedics when I asked one of them a question. He had been making comments indicating he felt doctors at the ED were ignorant. The question was along the lines of "What do you do when you see X?" His answer was "Drive faster.". I knew what his answer would be because I know what their qualifications are and what they are taught. Right now I am tutoring a paramedic that is going to medical school (actual medical school to be an MD). Every single day he has "holy shit" moments about what his training and abilities were as a paramedic. He now says his most important contribution to every patient was transport and his most important credential was a driver's license (tongue in cheek because he didn't typically drive the rig, but it's a good point). So I'll say I have had encounters "all over the map" with paramedics, to use your words.
How do you mess up this bad, unless you are attempting to try to do this intentionally? I hope they get man slaughter charges, this can't be the first time.
No, this was intentional murder, not accidental manslaughter.
No doubt they will plead Qualified Immunity, because nobody's sued the department over a giving a heart attack victim Ketamine, so there's no established case law so he has qualified immunity.
@@Rokabur oh,and you've been able to prove it was intentional from a 10 minute video of a news article? wow,you are incredible with those abilities to assume.
It's not what you know, it's what you can prove in court.
@@TheBooban whoooops!
arresting a cop yeah right. hahahaha
Alabama:
That speed trap town.
Old lady arrested for $77 trash bill.
Old ladies arrested for helping stray cat problem.
Heart failure victim arrested.
Wtf, Alabama?
Good ole USA!
They need to keep up with Texas and Florida
I thought the stray cat problem was Arizona?
@@jjordan211 I'd have picked him up on Alabama being a state tbh, but what do I know, being a mere Brit🤷♂️
@@jjordan211 Arizona arrested the older woman for feeding homeless people.
I had an heart attack last year, I can feel this guy. I want those officers gone.
Police are often the 1st on scene at a medical emergency. It doesn't take that much training to recognise the most common events: Heart attack, stroke, seizure, diabetes etc, but when you start from the assumption that everyone is a criminal, stupid stuff like this happens.
Actually, it takes months of training to become an EMT-P who can actually figure out the difference between a cardiac, stroke, siezure or diabetes event. Cops are not trained in this field. From your comment you are either making assumptions or, saying it is easy for a cop who is a first responder and not even an EMT-B can differentiate between the various medical conditions. I call bullshit as a former NREMT-P.
@@crusher8017 You don't have to be able to tell the difference, you just have to recognise that one of them is happening and that you need to get them to a doctor ASAP, rather than batter them.
Cops in the rest of the world are trained in this sort of stuff. That's why it takes up to 3 years to train them.
Having had a heart attack, I understand exactly what this man was feeling. I couldn’t even answer the guy at the ER that I couldn’t breathe when he asked what was wrong.
With a heart attack, every minute does more damage. Not only did the police prevent this man from getting life-saving emergency care, but they didn’t have anything close to probable cause to arrest him.
Had similar inabilities having an asthma attack.
Clutching chest, mouthing “help me,” yep, sounds like a felony crime to me!
METH induced heart attack & Stroke- guy was NEVER going to recover.
The Chemicals burn out the CALCIUM IONS in the Nerve dendrites that FIX MEMORY loss of speech is just the beginning ... it ain't pretty what a Heavy Meth load will do to the HUMAN brain.
@@nukarr If you get sober from meth, you might regain coherent speech. Just don’t attempt to eat anyone’s face in the meantime
In heart attacks, it's called the "Golden Hour" for a reason. If you get intervention within 45-60 minutes your likelihood of a good outcome skyrockets.
Not in my grandmother's case, she died before the they got her out the front door. Same with my neighbor.
My mom otoh, had time for my dad to drive her to the hospital.
*your
There's even a "Quincy M.E." episode called "The Golden Hour"
*_You are_* likelihood of a good outcome skyrockets?
You have been charged with misuse of the spacebar and adding an extra apostrophe...
So they claim there was an open alcohol container in the car, but there was no alcohol in the man ... that tells me the police lied about the open container.
Possibly they deliberately didn’t check what a empty can/bottle was.
I.e empty softdrink can.
@@nathnathn Either way, they're liars, just like most police officers.
@@nathnathn Maybe, but most likely they needed some form of probable cause and since they clearly couldn't smell alcohol on him they just made up this "open container" as a pretext to arrest him.
...and Public Intoxification .... as well......
Wouldn't be the first time
As a very senior citizen, I am terrified after hearing so many incidents like this one, that I might be assumed intoxicated, and denied medical care when I need it most urgently. Besides, since when does being intoxicated preclude FIRST getting medical attention?
@joshm3342 When the Supreme Court invented qualified immunity for cops, that's when.
Bless your heart. It shouldn't. I so wish that I could honestly say that you as a senior citizen shouldn't have a worry there. Unfortunately I have seen so many senior citizens being mistreated and abused that even I can't reassure you. I will say, and I am sure I speak for a lot in saying this, if I am ever witness to it, I will do everything I can to intervene. I don't believe in murder or assault, but cameras and talking and reminding them how much trouble they will be in when that LIVE video gets out, usually works. They tend to do stuff when they do not realize they are being recorded by someone or only being recorded by cameras they have control of. You have a lot of us on your side. But with officers I can't in honesty say you shouldn't fear this. Our respect for our elders is almost non existent these days.
As a former paramedic, this is why police should NEVER respond to a medical call.
Reminds me of a case here in Canada a couple of years ago. A 19 year old good Samaritan named Yosif Al-Hasnawi who came to the aid of an older man who was getting mugged outside his mosque was shot with a .22 handgun. The paramedics came, and for some reason (that may or may not have been connected to the fact that the victim was a Muslim of middle eastern descent) decided that he had only been shot with a BB gun, and that he was just being dramatic and faking it. He died an hour later because they didn't provide him the appropriate care (they moved him in ways that are dangerous for a victim of a gun shot & delayed taking him to the hospital). The paramedics were found guilty and convicted for the part they played in his death. The same thing should happen to the cops in this case.
The medics were guilty of letting a moozie die. Had a white or Oriental died, there would have been no charges put on them.
But won't, because... well, they'll investigate themselves and will miraculously find they did nothing wrong.
They received a slap on the wrist, and they are appealing that. They should have been charged and convicted of manslaughter. At least they were fired, but I wouldn't be surprised if they win their appeal that they will sue for their job back.
In the UK they did statistical studies and they found that non-whites consistently got worse care which resulted in worse outcomes.
It's a bit of a scandal made worse by how it was hastily buried and there's no changes being made to address this.
@@stewartthompson72 yeah, the fact that they were convicted was good, but the sentence was infuriatingly low. Not as infuriating as the guy who actually pulled the trigger getting off though... At least with the paramedics getting convicted it sets a precedent. Assuming the appeal doesn't overturn it.
The guy died. The cops 'helped' him, just like they want to 'help' everyone.
Not unusual. In Dallas, there was a man who called 911 to say he had forgotten to take his medicine and was starting to hallucinate. The police arrived, forced him down onto the ground, face down in the grass, and ignored his complaints that he couldn’t breathe. By the time the ambulance arrived, he was dead.
Over in Arlington, police were called to do a welfare check on a woman who appeared to be passed out in the park. When the police officer arrived, the woman’s dog ran toward him. Witnesses said it was a small dog. The officer pulled his gun, fired three shots, and missed the dog three times. He did hit the woman, who died from her wounds.
Two incidents, two people needing medical attention, killed by police, within a single metropolitan area, within just a few weeks.
Were the police charged criminally in either of these tragedies?
This is what happens when you train cops to protect themselves over us. When they instill fear in them. Being a cop is not an especially dangerous job if you take out the long hours driving. 45% of cops who die on the job die in a car accident 45%. That's just regular accidents not rushing to the scenes or car chases. You actually have more chance of dying as a roofer.
Isn't that also where a couple of months ago a kid was shot at McDonald's because the pos cop saw the kid's car and thought it looked like one that fled the day before and then opened the kid's door and pulled his gun telling him to get out without ever identifying himself. And then the kid freaks out because a stranger opens his door with a gun he thinks carjacking and goes to back out and is shot. Side note, it wasn't the car that fled but instead a teenager eating with a girl in the car.
@@Genesh12 whoohoo hahaha heehee oh thanks man you won the internet for me today✌️✌️
@Jeffrey Raiffe While it's probably useful to prosecute that doesn't really solve much. The root cause is a lack of training and/or bad selection when hiring cops. Until that is fixed stuff like this (and worse) will keep happening.
The incompetence of the police in America is astonishing
"Negligence by cop" has a higher kill count than most other things by this point.
The man suffered, slowly from a heart attack, while the low life sociopaths watched. How do their family members sit at the same dinner table with such monsters?
The family probably never hears about it, most of these things never see the light of day, and if they do, not mainstream media.
Welcome to the future depicted in Judge Dread, where police are the judge, jury, and executioner of innocent civilians...
See "abusive relationships"
And the worst part about this? I bet those monsters are neuro-typical and not sociopaths. It's a learned and trained mentality - they're taught by cop trainers to view all ppl with medical problems as "faking it" to get out of going to jail.
Imagine how terrified that man must have been while slowly dying and being restrained in a chair.
Police will always make the situation worse 😢
The police will claim qualified immunity: "We didn't know you should call for medical help when someone is having a heart attack. Oh, and we feared for our lives, so we arrested him."
I explained what you did to my invisible hippopotamus, and he is walking around the house, chuckling since nobody ever would send money to his Venmo account. I have a New Jersey area code, cell phone and I get I believe more scam calls than anybody but maybe that’s not possible however, my home phone here in Tennessee rarely gets a call, but it’s always a whopper when it comes in. Have a good Christmas be well keep fighting the good fight or if you choose play the Hooper game and just see how long you can keep them on the phone. I love that game and that means I am saving them from other people. Take care of yourself stay warm.
i know the courts have ruled in favor of the immunity but its outside the scope of what the immunity is there for. Firefighters and Paramedics also have the same immunity but it doesn't get abused
@@monkeyop1834 Oh my god that makes the police abuse of it even worse.
The first named defendant in the lawsuit should be the 911 operator, full stop!
Having had 2 heart attacks I can relate to this mans predicament. I walked into the emergency room one time clutching my chest couldn't breathe or talk was able to point to the sign if your having chest pain. In 5 minutes I was was in the OR. This man could have certainly been saved had he had gotten medical attention.
sorry dont remeber the names but there is a town where someone got mouth to mouth and heart massages from a group of people till the bus arrived. He survived.
Are you still eating carbohydrates?
Whole reason EMS exists and you just walk into the er.
Call 911
@@BlackJesus8463 very little, have a very well balanced diet, only 2 meals a day ,1 big salad small meal for dinner. Fast 18hrs every day
@@MJrocs1309 Good for you Mike! 👍
I walked into the emergency room, sweating and shivering at the same time (I had the flu), and clutching my chest (I fell and cracked a rib at home, the reason for the hospital visit). I think I managed to say something to the effect of "my chest hurts" and the nurse started yelling for people before I could get out the "I may have cracked a rib" part. They didn't need me to say "I'm having a heart attack", they just assumed I was and weren't wasting ANY time. It took a couple of minutes before I was able to explain that I wasn't dying, but I have ALWAYS appreciated the fact that they weren't going to let me die without fighting for me. As they explained, once they hear "my chest hurts", they ALWAYS assume heart attack, even if the patient initially says it's something else. Several years later, I saw one woman die because the chest pains she had been having for several days, she chalked up to indigestion.
It is worse still when a doctor treats for acid reflux and only for the patient dies at home in bed from a massive heart attack. I have thoughts on this I can say but not prove so I'll leave it alone.
I showed up an an ER with a chest pain. Turns out it was just sore muscles, but the hospital wasted no time in admitting me and running a ton of tests. How can be the cops be so negligent. It's criminal.
It’s a problem for people with acid reflux. You can’t go to the ER 2 or 3 times a week… every week.
This reminds me of something that happened to me. I was in the middle of passing a kidney stone. Didn't know what was going on, just nothing but pain in the right part of my hip. Couldn't sleep, parents took me to the ER. I get to the triage, pointed where my appendix would be, and said "It hurts here". I was practically body slammed onto a gurney and the nurse sprinted me into what the bill called "Stage 5 ER". Surrounded by gunshot victims and other such serious cases. They were literally prepping me for the Operating Room, and there was maybe 12 nurses all around me. They sent me to get a CAT scan, and when I came back, I'll never forget the disappointment on all their faces when they found out "Oh, it's just a kidney stone".
I went to the er in Milford, CT in 1976, cause I got stung by a bee and my leg swelled up. The guy next to me was clutching his chest, breathing erratically. His wife is going nuts . They just tell them to fill out the paperwork... Then they come up to us and say you can go in now, I point to the guy and say shouldn't you take him first cause he looks like he's dying. They get all pissed and say to you want to see the doc or not. So we go in, I get a Benidryl shot and go home. I always wondered if he died waiting.
Steve's story at the end about the town drunk being hit by a car and the police sending help away is beyond frustrating especially when the courts covered for them. smh
Similar to Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386 (1989) a diabetic, asked his friend, Berry, to drive him to a convenience store to purchase orange juice to counteract the onset of an insulin reaction. Upon entering the store and seeing the number of people ahead of him, Graham hurried out and asked Berry to drive him to a friend's house instead. Respondent Connor, a city police officer, became suspicious after seeing Graham hastily enter and leave the store, followed Berry's car, and made an investigative stop, ordering the pair to wait while he found out what had happened in the store. Respondent backup police officers arrived on the scene, handcuffed Graham, and ignored or rebuffed attempts to explain and treat Graham's condition. During the encounter, Graham sustained multiple injuries.
They probably thought having a heart attack was the new "I can't breathe"
We told him to put his hands behind his back. But he refused and keep grabbing his heart. So we beat the shit out of him for disobeying us.
Make up more stories.
@@KB4QAA Exercise in report writing to create cover. BC should have used " " marks.
He was arrested for resisting arrest.
@@KB4QAA If only that was pure fiction. Sadly sometimes reality outclass even fiction. Imagine being killed by suffocation for not breaking the law and ask them to stop harassing you about something you didn't do. Just search Eric Garner. Or being slammed on concrete and rendered paralyzed because you got too drunk. Just search Christopher Shaw. Or being shot 7 times by a police officer in front of your wife and children for informing them you have a firearm and license to carry in the car. just search Philando Castile. There are tons of exemples worse than his obvious memeing about how stupid it can go, his story was way less convoluted and more ironic, more obvious in ridicule, and is not at the expense of an actual dramatic event, turning it into a good joke. Can you get a good joke?
@@justicedemocrat9357 That has happened. In fact in Alabama, we had a man in prison, whose only offense was escape. He had been convicted of another crime, and then escaped. After his recapture he was exonerated of the first offense. However, his escape charge kept him in prison. I think his sentence was 15 years. Heck, we even had a man in a South Alabama county jail for more than 10 years, who had not gone to trial yet.
I would hate to be someone that is suffering from diabetes, because I see way to many debacles, when after having a low blood sugar emergency, the cops treat the people as if they are drunk.
Get a medical bracelet if you have diabetes. That can save your life.
Wait for the police comment: "We have investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing. The officers acted within department policy"
"Look at all these awards we gave each other, how could such a decorated individual do wrong?"
They didn't make him smoke meth.
@@murrijuana2842 Irrelevant, they charged him with being drunk on alcohol without supporting evidence, and they diagnosed his medical condition as drunk, again via their incompetence, which delayed getting him to medical care which is the request that brought them to his car to begin with. He needed help, they blocked him from getting help.
@@murrijuana2842 You think the cop was smoking meth?
@@JohnDoe-jq1br I think the cop was smoking meth
Why on earth would a dispatcher send cops to respond to reports of someone clutching their chest and mouthing "help me" instead of EMS?
😮😳 What... in the actual... F?!?! You can take them to jail after the hospital confirms your suspicion. The treatment they gave in the drunk tank, certainly didn't help.
As a retired Air Force veteran, I think the issue boils down to training. If you are trained to respond to ALL atypical behavior with violence and/or handcuffs, then the outcomes are all pre-ordained. Arrest and incarceration. The adage is old and worn-out, but still very accurate: If you are trained to be a hammer, then all problems resemble nails.
When you only have a hammer, every situation needs a nail.
Not just training, it's culture.
Raised by a bad man with a badge (a LEO training Sgt in Seattle), I remember stories of his about "criminals faking medical problems" to avoid or delay arrest. He never believed them, mocked them, poked them with his billy club. If the suspect responded, they weren't "sick" and handcuffs went on. It was usually another LEO on scene that called 911 to "cover his ass".
Yeah all those voiceless victims. And you having the burden to speak for them. 😔
Hope pieces of shit like that get to taste their own medicine. Hope they get to hear their potential saviors say they are faking it while they suffer.
Whoa was he your dad?? I bet he sucked in all kinds of ways.
@@C.Church I was raised by a cop too. I’d guess at least half of us have serious abuse in our childhoods. We can’t speak for random people our dads tangled with. We are victims too.
@@noosphericaltarzan I don't doubt you. I've long heard how cops take their work home with them. My dad was in the air force. He joined after we were born. As tiny kids he began having stand by inspections of our chores (he made a chores list for the fridge aka a duty roster). Any bit of imperfection meant total failure. And for report cards we had a one at a time "board" where we had to account for everything line by line while sitting in a chair facing the board (he and mom). And he was verbally abusive and physically threatening to us (all little girls... not that it's OK for boys but I often hear Adam Carola types say it's only a boy thing, dads are relaxed with daughters).
I can only imagine if he became a cop instead. So sorry!
In 2008 I called 911 because of heart palpitations. Cops showed up along with the paramedics and fire department (cuz apparently every 911 call is an invitation to a whole party), asked if I had taken any drugs and I said I had taken cold medicine but it was several hours before. Ended up spending the night with an officer in the hospital waiting for my urine sample to (wrongly) state that I was on PCP! (never even met anyone who's tried PCP), then riding with him to spend several hours in jail, with the charge of 1st degree endangering a minor, because I was alone with my 2-year-old who would have been helpless if I had died. WHICH WAS WHY I CALLED 911. Thankfully the judge wasn't an absolute moron and dismissed the case, but I had to spend 3 months in utter terror before that.
My mom fell and broke her leg. Called 911. Firefighters showed up along with the paramedics. Either one of the firefighters or paramedics, stole money that was lying on our living room piano. It was 40 dollars. Didn't notice it was gone, til got back from the hospital. My bet it was a firefighter.
@@alvinmiller9038 Honestly -coin toss. They both get paid shockingly low income. Not that that excuses THEFT, ha.
@@audreymuzingo933 Firefighters are not low paid. Yes EMT's are, firefighters no. My cousin is a firefighter. They make a very good living. Plus lots of OT available.
@Digswingen Actually the 911 operator asked. But if the cop had asked I probably would have answered too, because this was back when I believed the whole "most cops are good" and "always cooperate with the police and you'll have no trouble as long as you did nothing wrong' stuff. Now I think the good ones are the exception, and as for cooperating, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. They have a license to F over anyone they want. That night what that pig did was threaten to have Child Protective Services to come get my daughter if I didn't call to have family come get her (from 30 miles away in the middle of the night) and go with him to the hospital, "to make sure you're not in medical crisis." That in itself was a straight up lie of course; he wanted my urine tested and he did that without a warrant or my consent.
@@alvinmiller9038 Depends on where. But if you think firefighters make better pay across the board, then why do you suspect it was a firefighter that stole the money? 😆
North Alabama, this time. My friend's brother missed court, due to being hospitalized with a heart attack. City cops arrested him for no show. During arrest, he had another heart attack. Witnesses said he begged for help, which cops ignored. The Large city main ambulance/ Emt office was around the corner, less than 300 feet away. WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. In fact it would have taken longer to get in their ambulance and drive than to walk. He died because the Police did nothing.
I live twenty miles from Geneva. It's a small town where the police receive on-the-job training or are hired from other towns where the officers were " asked to leave " and of course these small towns hire them and this is a result. Our little city of 1500 recently had to fire our whole police force because not a single one had the certification needed to be an officer in Alabama. This is par for the course here.
This almost happened to me. I called for an ambulance and the cop showed up first, immediately saying things like "you are acting like someone on meth/drugs" ... paramedics showed up and said I likely was having a heart attack. Cop still stuck around at the hospital, had them do a drug test.
I was almost drowning due to pneumonia. It took 3 days in the hospital before my heart was out of danger from low oxygen and the fluid in my lungs subsided.
Why did a cop show up if you called for an ambulance?
EMTs have about the same lengthy of training as cops.
Paramedics have two years of college, the same as a nurse, but all focused on emergencies.
@@michaelwaninger3155 Cops show up, anytime you call 911. For any reason. One they have literally nothing better to do. Hey we got a call to go on. Let's go. It's why you see nothing but bunch of cops standing around talking. At the scene of a car accident. All those cops aren't necessary. They just have nothing better to do.
@@michaelwaninger3155 because he was closer that the ambulance and around here cops are supposed to have basic emergency services training to render aid. Except when he saw I didn't need CPR, he went into dickhead mode.
@@michaelwaninger3155 tell me about it.
About 2mo ago, my new neighbors who were only there for a few weeks had an ambulance roll up ,lights on and all that.
I shut the lawnmower off ,ran inside and grabbed my camera and started filming.
I was waiting for a cop to show up and escalate, but it never happened.
I’m sure they’ll investigate themselves as usual…
And find that they did nothing wrong - in fact they acted heroically.
Steve, that incident was aggravated homicide. The cops involved should be charged with premeditated murder
Or at least depraved indifference.
@@kn4cc755 can't be depraved indifference. Arresting someone is an overt contributory action. If someone already in distress when the police begin their interaction dies as a result of that arrest without further action that places either the cops or the citizen in jeopardy that is intent. Depraved indifference is an aggravating factor of negligence. Negligence requires that no overt action on the part of the defendant be taken but that the result of inaction was causative to the event that follows from that inaction. Therefore intent governs and this becomes premeditated homicide
Premeditated? Nice try. Manslaughter at the most. You obviously don't understand Premeditated.
do you know what "premeditated" actually means?
Don't know about premeditated but I would definitely agree with murder charges.
I saw a video of a cop pulling a drunk driver out of a car which hit a pole. The cop was amped up and assaulted the man who was not listening to commands really roughed him up. Well long story short the man wasn't drunk, had a medical emergency, drove off the road and hit a pole. Imagine having a medical emergency and then being assaulted by the police and arrested.
When your job performance is based on how many people you arrest everyone looks like a criminal to you. Everything looks like a nail to a hammer. The difference is the cops choose not to care because they always assume the person is faking it and is nothing but a criminal.
Dispatcher needs to be named in the suit. Sending the police when medical assistance was needed? Poor training. Cops, same. Tired of poor decisions by cops. Qualified immunity shouldn't shield stupidity.
Saw another vid a few days ago where the police responded to a man having a seizure and beat and tasered his unconscious body for not complying. I guess when your trained to be a mindless hammer, every problem gets treated like a nail.
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@@Eidolon1andOnly Spelling police to the rescue! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@hellshade2 *Grammar police.
@@Eidolon1andOnly perhaps both.
This is one of the most horrifying allegations I have ever heard. If true, these officers could be considered monsters.
Don't forget the dispatch. They should have sent medical services.
If true? They said he was drunk: no alcohol in his system. Gave him a drug I suspect nobody was qualified to give. Finally, took him to the hospital. I don't understand your comment. At all. Please explain.
"Due to your heinous acts of negligence the court hereby rules that you are to be considered monsters!"
If this is the most horrifying "allegations " you've ever heard, then you need to get out more.
Since body cams, cop watchers and Auditors have become common we see now, have the evidence, just how twisted, violent and murderous the majority of cops are from coast to coast. Bad cops are not a rarity. They're the majority. And even killing the few cops that have tried to come forward to testify. They brutalize and terrorize and murder, they have total disdain for the public. They believe they are the Law, not law enforcement. They shit on and ignore the Constitution and our laws.
THEY are the domestic terrorists that are trying to turn our democratic republic into a Authoritarian Police State.
I hope you were kidding when you said this is the most horrible thing you've seen the cops do.
They denied him medical attention and that directly lead to his death. They should be charged with manslaughter at minimum and never be allowed to have control over another person again.
Police: "We can tell a drunk when we see one! Bastard just died to make us look bad!"
Drunks have heart attacks too, and you always error on the side of caution, and no one involved before the hospital did their jobs correctly. This business of paramedics ( hopefully not just EMTs) giving citizens Ketamine to calm them down is outrageous and needs to challenged, they are not qualified to make that determination.
In this case the police took him into custody and had a duty to care.
On the 18th Dec 2010 my Dad had a heart attack right in front of me, minutes after I'd got home from work. He said he didn't feel well, then he turned the colour of a cooked lobster, then he flopped over and said my name followed by the word Ambulance, which was the last thing he said that day. He's ok now and has a pacemaker, but holy hell that was a terrifying evening. I can't imagine how broken inside someone has to be to find someone in that state and deny them medical attention. Even a complete sociopath would conclude that they should get help because it would absolve them of any blame. But apparently not, give the poor guy Ketamine, make him spend the last moments of his life strapped to a chair.
Back the blue until they do it to you.
Preach.
I had a neighbor who had a nearly identical situation , he was picked up by police thrown in the drunk tank, and when they later checked on him he was dead. It was determined by the medical examiner that he had had a heart attack. There was a big law suit but I never heard what the results were.
I know a women with chronic pain that was given Narcan and started breathing slightly more when they put her in withdrawal. The ER doctor had tunnel vision. He still didn't think about her not oxygenation properly and refused the X-ray that her husband begged for. He isn't the fact that she had been coughing and had been sick. After hours and A LOT of useless Narcan, she got a new Doctor on shift change that ordered a STAT X-ray. Her lungs were filled with fluid. He drained them, but it was to late. We lost her. The opioid epidemic claims a lot of chronic pain patients, usually by doctors not treating us and that causing cardiac, adrenal, or psych harm.
He made the first (arrogant) doctor end life support, allegedly gave him some free cosmetic procedures, sued him, and made sure the case was taken to the medical board.
Why did no RN call an on cal? No idea
They held that murder accountable, I can only hope the wonderful death of this man results in accountant for all of these people.
When will people learn. They are NOT your friends.
when they get burned
The dead guy realized it. I wonder how he felt about LEOs before they killed him?
@@SmittyAZ He probably has one of those "blue line" American flag decals on his car. I'll bet he had the jab, too.
@@sardonic_smile_8752 You're mixing up your cliches. Usually antiscience and blue line go hand in hand
This is something that's been creeping into my brain over a while, and that's "policy." Policy is obviously not on par with law, but is often used as a defence against some form of negligence. That doesn't make sense unless the policy also requires some type of comprehensive training and certification to make those decisions that can open them to liability.
So I'm wondering how do so many departments get away with using policy as a defence when the policy does not equip them to make certain judgments? Not saying they should have omniscience, but in cases loke these it seems that regular concerned citizens seem to have more awareness than the professionals that are paid to respond to the concerns of the public.
their "policy" clearly aids their qualified immunity defense.
Good policy exists to tell people who might not make good decisions the right thing to do.
I think you hit the nail on the head. In a nearby city, they let go a local fire chief and his assistant for doing nothing for a considerable amount of time while some of their employees harassed and tormented other fellow employees. They are fighting their dismissal because there was "no policy" for them to follow. Apparently for some people doing the right and correct action is impossible without policy. Of course, they also leave out that they could have updated the policies anytime they choose.
You're joking right? Police policy is responsible for citizens dying EVERY SINGLE DAY. They aren't all model citizens, but they don't all deserve to die either. All police do these days is protect people who hurt children.
@@gregbatton7350 policy is much like writing a law and as there are bad laws there are also bad policies.
Circa 2010, the city cops in my town received a call in the middle of the day of a driver swerving all over the road and possibly drunk. Cops pull the car over and arrest the driver for suspected dui. Turns out he had no alcohol in his system, but rather was having a medical emergency in the form of insulin shock. He was having a diabetic emergency and needed insulin. He died in the city jail in the drunk tank and the city quietly paid over $1 million to his estate and no cops were fired. Whole thing swept under the rug as though it never happened.
In my opinion, the cops who handled the situation at first should be in jail, along with the dispatcher, and multiple officials from the jail. All for at least several years. Any medical professional who dealt with the guy should also be in jail and should lose their license.
In addition, the warden and the chief of police should be fired and banned from law enforcement forever.
He was still a dui. Insulin is a controlled medication, and he clearly was not using it properly.
@@bkane573 Satire?
@@bkane573 so, lock up every medical emergency cops come across; plus, you obviously have NO concept of what diabetes is......insulin shock is when blood sugars are too LOW; not insulin overdose; making your statement complete stupidity, as well as callousness
The first thing you learn in a first aid class, if you don't know if he's been drinking, then the alcohol smell could well be insulin shock. See if there is a bracelet or necklace. Other evidence of diabetes. Usually if not drunk, there is no alcohol smell on clothes, it is not hard, but check.
Or do as some cops do, shot first. It is easier.
A customer on my newspaper route had COPD. One night he called 911 for help because he couldn't breathe. Police came along with an ambulance. Police called code enforcement because this sick old man's apartment had several extension cords running fans as well as general clutter and his place was cited for code violations and the city tagged it as unsafe, not the whole building, just his subsidized and yearly inspected apartment. The man died in the hospital 6 weeks later. How compassionate it was for them to treat an elderly sick old man this way by issuing him citations to court instead of trying to get him assistance he desperately needed for his day to day life.
This is what government does. Make things worse.
There's an old William Shatner movie called "Million Dollar Hospital" that aired as part of Alcoa Premiere in 1963. In one scene, a staggering man comes in after the local beat cop mentions seeing a "drunk" and the cop tells him to get out or he'll run him in for public drunkenness. The old doctor examines the "drunk" and tells the cop he's not soused, he's in a diabetic coma. They don't mention it in the scene but there's two kinds of diabetic crises; when you go high and when you go low. When you go high you smell like you bathed in sugar.
That when that movie came out, they had an actual, factual, medical situation and knew enough about diabetes in that era to include it in a movie and not even need to explain that the guy smelled sweet, that really stood out.
I somehow missed that bit of Shat’s overacting, I’ll have to check it out.
Don't worry I am sure they will thoroughly investigate themselves and find no issues.
I've seen medics show up and act as badly as the cops several times. I've also had medics show up and stop the cops from illegally going through my gym bag. Evidently it just depends on which town you're in.
Did you have the ingredients to cook meth in your bag? It would be hilarious if you did.
@@darksu6947 is that from a movie ? It sounds like it should be.
Search videos for Paul Tarashuk. Just a person like any of us suffered a mental episode and found half dressed hanging off moving semi truck. The EMTs were clucking chickens at him like he was a nuisance and interruption to their nap time (hard to admit as a woman) and released him to the equally annoyed cops who drove him to another county and abandoned him at a closed gas station (caught on camera). He got hit by a car and died. He needed help.
The paramedic was retrained. The EMT fired. The cop... nothing.
There are medics who should not be medics.
However, being a medic qualifies them to make medical decisions.
Being a police officer does not.
As bad as cops pulling out a man that crashed his car because he was having a bad seizure but the cops busted his window, dragged him out, and beat him. The guy did not follow orders so they beat him.
What? Your comment makes no sense because your sentence structure is crazy. What are you saying?
Years ago in Michigan my sister was rushing her husband who was having chest pains to the emergency room. Turns out he was having a heart attack. She got pulled over for speeding. She informed the cop what was going on. He didn't want to hear it and proceeded with the stop and gave her a ticket. After the stop she made it to the hospital and he recovered fortunately.
Wow. Just wow. What an injustice.
Qualified immunity means nothing will happen. Dept will pay out and officers will just get assigned extra training
Kenneth, the department will not pay out. the city or town the work for will which means it's the taxpayers paying for police negligence yet again...
"Help me" NEVER means call the cops.
911 says "911 emergency police fire or medical" when they answer. How can this even happen?!
I think often when an ambulance is called, the cops also show up.
@@kissmyasses. Because the dispatcher sends out who ever they want.
@@kissmyasses. in my area they only say "name of county 911" when they answer
Evwr since Qualified immunity came out, police know they can do anything they want, even rape and murder, and never get punished.
It would have taken seconds to call the ambulance and he'd still be in police custody if that's absolutely necessary
If you think someone might be dying, call the police and they will make sure.
About 20 years ago we had someone make a low speed crash into our construction fence, he was arrested for DUI. Turned out after the fact that he was having a stroke. Don't know what happened to him.
I remember this story on the local news. It’s really bad.
When it comes to strokes and heart attacks literally minutes count. And they waited hours.
Do you know if the man that died was black or white?
@@Sentientdreamer white
Is this the same Alabama cops that arrested the cat ladies?
My sister worked as a nurse for 50 years. 1 night, 35 years ago, she was at work and heard a call on the pa for stat in the ER. Not her area of work, for some reason she decided to investigate. She went there and saw a white sheet placed over the patient. She asked what happened and the attendants said he was dead. She pulled back the sheet and shouted You can't let him die, that is my uncle. The doctors rushed back to work and after considerable work, revived him. He is still alive today, past 90 years old.
Thank goodness for your sister. Saddens me to think how lazy these people probably gave up too soon on so many others.
@@Genesh12 She did not know what prompted her to answer that call outside her area. Uncle is still going at age 90.
Sounds like if it weren't her uncle she would have let him die like her coworkers were going to.
My Uncle was in the drawer in the morgue and they pulled his body out to tag his toe and he sat up! They done had the family come in and see him in the ER and tell him bye. Moved him to the morgue. This was like hours after the declared him dead!
@@OmniscientlyMe On the other hand, she easily could have left out the uncle part and said "you can't let this person die!", and that would have the same meaning as what she actually said.
Text is tone deaf, it's hard to convey subtle meaning through it.
When I lived in Chicago, I came across a guy face down in the street, bleeding from his face. I didn't know what happened to him so I called 911. Cops show up and the 2 of them walked up to him and started kicking him in the stomach and telling him " get up, asshole". He was in no condition to do much of that. Anyhow, they threw him in the paddy wagon and told me he was drunk. Never heard another thing about it and I always wondered about the guy
In the 1970'S there was a similar incident in Clearfield, Utah. The man had stopped his car on the side of the road. He died in the jail, because the police suddenly had medical doctorates and licenses to make the determination the man who NEVER drank alcohol was drunk.
The story was in the local news for a few weeks.
I would love to hear the 911 call and the body cam footage
So many things wrong here
I bet they will have deleted the call and footage with the statement of we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong so no evidence needed saving
Police requirements for hiring have been dropped to a mirror. If you breathe on the mirror and it fogs up you are hired.
What is up with police in Alabama? There are so many stories of them arresting people for ridiculous things lately.
For instance, the not-pregnant woman arrested for fetal endangerment.
@@mhfuzzball And left her bleeding from between her legs to sleep on the floor of the cell she was in.
I have a friend who is epileptic. when he's having a seizure, the default assumption is he is under the /influence of drugs or alcohol. He had a seizure at the Edwards Air Force Base air show and was immediately surrounded by Military Police. I was explaining that he is epileptic and having a seizure. They didn't seem to be buying it but medical personnel arrived promptly and intervened. I am very grateful to them.
Elected officials and those who could potentially affect change in these cases, should be required to periodically, in public, discuss them and how are they going to respond.
Why Ketemine? Who gave them the authority to do that?
I thought it was a horse tranquilizer?!
Thank you. I was implying why where the giving him drugs? They are not doctors. I didn't understand why they did that. Out of their purview.
@@danielboone8435 I was given Ketamine, Propofol, and Fentanyl when I was in the ICU and on a ventilator.
@@jmadler007 By a police officer?
@@jmadler007 people used to break into veterinarian offices to steal it, and sell it at raves. They called it special K back then.
As I'm watching this my thoughts are. What happened in the 911 call to have the dispatcher send police instead of an ambulance.
911 calls often result in the cops getting there before ambulances/fire. Depends on how the call goes out.
@@AlanTheBeast100 Sometimes both are called.
My wife is diabetic, so an ambulance call is sometimes necessary. The police show up to (apparently) make sure nothing else is going on and to give any appropriate assistance. Sometimes they get there first, sometimes after the ambulance. (In those cases they usually leave once the paramedics are taking care of things.) If there is a vehicle involved the police have been there every time. I've never seen a case of such a call where only the police are sent by dispatch.
cops are sitting in their car suckin donuts and are probably closer, most of the time the ambulance is sitting in the bay empty waiting to be crewes
@@ianh1504 Meanwhile, 20 years ago visiting Texas, I called the police and it took forever for them to show up and I could literally see the station from where I was.
@@lq7777 it seems theres an inverse relationship between how much one needs a cop and how quickly a cop shows up
why is EMS administering ketamine solely at the request of the police? this is a big issue that seems to be happening with more frequency.. when did we arrive at the conclusion that it's appropriate to drug someone in these situations? just because we tranquilize animals for our convenience doesn't mean it's reasonable to tranquilize humans for our convenience...
Great point!
Why you ask? Two words , it's Alabama.
The EMS thought it was an overdose, so they gave him that.
@@Br3ttM doesn't fix an overdose lol
Even if he was just drunk enough to not be able to respond, he needs medical attention.
That's why we got 2 emergency numbers in Germany. 110 for police and 112 for medical emergencies.
When 'somebody' is on the floor, clutching their chest and mouthing 'Help me.' There is only ONE deduction to make of this situation. HELP THE MAN! p.s. Everything else is a secondary thought. Either one can save a life or let let a life slip away. Which one do you want to be? Humanity is desensitized from their true reaction to know what is the right thing to do!
the police did help him. they helped into the back of a police car and then helped him into a cell.
( i hope you see the sarcasm in my comment here)
humans know what to do. pigs were the ones who arrived on scene though, and thats the problem
@@hellshade2
Yup. Psychopaths have no remorse or feelings of other human beings. They deflect it to sarcasm or other such emotionless expressions. I would have help the guy at all costs.
They did help him. Help him die for no reason or harm to themselves.
Far too many police do not qualify as human beings. I know from first hand experience, after a plainclothes officer grabbed me from behind without announcing himself, and arrested me despite knowing for a FACT I was not the suspect he was looking for. He had the guy's rap sheet and mug shot up on his computer in his unmarked patrol car, and we look nothing alike, in addition to the fact that the suspect was 8 *inches* taller than me. These facts did not stop the officer from charging me with Assaulting an Officer, Forgery (he claimed my ID was fake). Resisting Arrest, and Evading the Police (he claimed I had bleached my hair to avoid detection).
The charges were dropped an hour later, after what I assume was a supervisor began questioning him about the arrest. Apparently kidnapping white blond teenagers from a public bus stop is frowned upon.
Can you imagine what is going through this guys mind, what frustration, horror and fear you are feeling as you're having a heart attack and the police show up, but instead of calling the ambulance to take you to the emergency room to find out what's wrong with you, you get taken to the drunk tank instead.
10:17 It sure would be a shame if those two officers had an issue and someone saw it, but just told them to sleep it off and stay out of trouble, as they died where they were laying....
The fear he had to feel, knowing he was going to die. Because police wouldn't give medical attention. Bad way to die.
His very last nightmare.
Being a former Cop, I know why they didn't take him. To get medical clearance, requires sitting for a few hours in the ER, while medical staff examine him. The Cops were so damn lazy they didn't want to do that. That's fucked up.
I agree that our Police need better training. A friend went to Police Academy. I questioned him and was totally shocked at the lack of legal training they were given.
"Why don't people respect us?" --Modern day cops
I had a friend who was at the park buying drugs, he got ripped off, tried to get his money back, and got shot. He stumbled out of the park, with a trail of blood behind him, went to a pay phone, covered in blood.
A woman in the payphone booth saw him coming towards her, covered in blood and trying to ask for help, but could barely speak. She screamed 'get away from me', closed the door of the phone booth and held it shut and phoned 911 and said a drunk was harassing her and wouldn't leave her alone. He lived, when police arrived they saw the blood and called an ambulance immediately.
Phone booth says at least 2 decades ago? Seems her mindset is a norm in cops now.
The lady was prolly a person from the Ghetto and used to the sight of blood....
@@C.Church And the fear mongering has increased exponentially.
So??
@@WitnessingTyranny I think it's we don't hold ourselves accountable anymore. I'm not a teacher but I watch "honestteachervibes". First she's a pretty funny person. But watch her Teacher Stories videos. She has 5 parts now. Truly astonishing stories of terrible behavior going without consequences and a system of bad admin and parents that demand such a system.
And when a kid IS finally held accountable we see it on channels like Steve's where they are so unused to doing the right thing they have little tiny children hauled away in handcuffs for normal tantrums.
A couple of decades like that is why this has permeated so many professions especially policing.
Imagine for your last "happy"moment to have been shopping in Dollar General.
This is so disgusting. What sort of training do these Police Officers have? All they had to do was to call 911, afterwhich, if necessary, they could followup. I'd sue these Police and the doctors, left right and center. How dare they treat life so flippantly. And you don't know what sort of influence the Police had on the ER reception at the Hospital.
Hillbillies are so stupid and think everyone is a criminal and just arrest him worry about it later
My thought too! I'm sure the officers told the hospital staff the patient was a combative drunk or on drugs, so of course the hospital proceeds with the information they were given. And of course, it then takes them too long to figure out the police were wrong.
I worked at a nursing home. We had a fully mobile, only slightly confused older man who was suicidal over the recent loss of his wife of over 50 years. He headed out the door one night, eventually located by me & another manager who happened to be working late (it was past 11pm). The man was walking on a very busy major road with no sidewalks with his back to traffic, right at the end of a blind curve where cars were known to come whipping around above the speed limit. We weren't allowed to call an ambulance because there was zero injury and he was officially of sound mind, so we had to call the police to try to get them to take him to a nearby hospital with a psych program that could help the poor guy. It took a while; I had to stand & reason with the guy while trying to prevent either or both of us from becoming a street pizza while the other manager (who hadn't had time to put on a jacket -- did I mention it was about 35 degrees outside?) ran the 4 blocks back to the center and called the police. First they sent 2 cruisers to the center to talk to the manager, despite him telling them exactly where we were & running back out to help me. Those 3 officers called for additional help because none knew "how to talk to a crazy old person." We eventually had seven police cruisers on-site with a total of 12 officers -- two of whom spent their entire time there lecturing me on how I should have stopped the guy, how we should put him in restraints, how we needed to keep him in a locked ward, how it was a problem for them that we'd called and we should've gotten one of our ambulances to take him to the hospital or driven him in one of our cars by ourselves, etc. etc. Literally *everything* they insisted that I, as the evening manager on duty, should have done was ILLEGAL and could have both sent me to jail and caused serious problems for my employer. During all this, the other 10 officers mostly talked among themselves (what I overheard was mostly stuff along the lines of, "How 'bout them Cubbies?" or "So wutchu doin' this weekend"?), with only *one* of them choosing to try to talk to the poor guy we'd called for help with. Eventually, the two idiots lecturing me got bored & left, two other cruisers left in a rush due to emergency calls, and one of the older officers coaxed our patient into his cruiser "where it's a lot warmer" and they took him to the hospital for a psych evaluation and hypothermia treatment. None of the other officers made any mention of all the crap I and the other manager were put through, and as the last cruiser began to leave the officer in the passenger seat rolled down their window and said she hoped the rest of my night was better because they planned to be busy later on. Never been so disappointed in law enforcement as I was that night.
One time my sister had a grand mal epileptic seizure in a grocery store. The police arrested her and threw her in jail where she was beaten by other prisoners.
In regard to the "town drunk", inebriated people are arguably at higher risk of accidents - being drunk increases the probability he was in an accident, it doesn't dismiss it.
I lost my son last year, he had been drinking, he was at home when he started to choke on a steak that his girlfriend had made, she called 911 and the police showed up not an ambulance. They knew he was choking and they gave him Norcal I think it’s called for drug overdose twice. From what I read that drug can also hinder your breathing.
I hope your lawsuit is currently pending. Depending on the state, police are not allowed to administer that stuff without a paramedic present. Even without that law, what the officer did was extremely dangerous. That stuff does horrible things to people with asthma, diabetes, or having a heart attack or seizure.
What a horrific way to die! Imagine having a major health problem and dying with people that should help you but rather lock you up.
Same thing happened to our pastor. He ran off road and passed out. The cops called his wife she told them he didn't drink but he was a type 2 diabetic. There was silence on the other end.
Negligent homicide charges not filed?
Who's going to file them? Not that police department.
@@lynchkid003 it was more of a discussion starter question. Clearly there are problems in the department and I was wondering if the county attorney would be looking at or questioning the behavior or perhaps the state has an oversight agency so that there is no conflict of interest.