The medical malpractice and the lawsuit that is coming is going to be legendary. There is so much evidence to the hospital's incompetence that I am shocked that the medical licensing board isn't going to have hearings as quickly as possible.
This will be settled out of court because the evidence is so damning. They've fired a couple of people, the insurance will pay out, the hospital's working culture will not change.
They terminated people, thus admitting that they know they were in the wrong. Otherwise they would not have done this, so this will mean the case will never go to court, but will be settled out of court along with a NDA signed. However look at the filings for next year and you will see that in there, somewhat hidden, but a big extra chunk of changes as "incidental" expenses on the profit loss sheet.
The cops’ defense would be that since he was at an ER they must have known if he required medical attention. If the ER says he doesn’t require further treatment, the cops aren’t likely to question that.
@@DovidM they are if the guy is still acting or being like the man was. When police take you into custody they are now responsible for your well being. So if you arent acting like normal even under drug influence they have to take you to the hospital due to you die in their possession they are help responsible for that death. That's technically how they charged the two cops with that George guys death. He had handcuffs on him and they still let him die. Regardless if it was a drug over dose or their knees on his neck. They have a obligation to keep you alive at that point.
That's a great point. I didn't even think of that. To a hospital for medical clearance and then to the jail (if it's an arrest situation and not just a first aid one). These police probably just assumed that he was medically cleared already, coming from a hospital. I'm not going to let the police department off the hook totally but it's hard to imagine what they could have done in the moment, besides maybe just basically pretend to arrest him, reevaluate based on their first aid knowledge, and take him to a different hospital.
@@whatsanenigma I'm not a cop, but if the patient is in an "altered state of consciousness," that in itself is generally considered an emergency. The cops should have said "nope, guy needs medical transportation. He's not coherent. Kiss our butts."
@@grmpEqweer Great point, they could have called for medical transport. Because no way in hell was leaving him with those particular medical "professionals" the right thing to do. They probably would have just hidden him in a back room to let him die. A new perspective was needed for sure.
Everybody involved in his initial diagnosis, treatment, and arrest should be fired. Out of a cannon into the sun. Even *if* he had drugged himself into an unresponsive stupor, it is your responsibility as a hospital to keep him alive. As cops, when you see a guy in an unresponsive stupor, you take him TO the hospital, not away from it. Completely irresponsible.
The cops should’ve known better. The medical staff violated EMTALA as well as other ethical standards. As a paramedic who’s worked on an ambulance and in an ER, this is unforgivable, for EVERYONE involved, including jail staff for not sending him right back out to an ER.
Had a similar experience. Short story: My blood sugar was low and I looked like I was drugged out. A man waiting in the ER insisted they check my blood sugar. It was dangerously low. They hit me with 2 shots of glucagon and I got better. I never got the chance to thank that gentleman who was waiting in the lobby of the ER. For such an advanced country, we score very poorly in several categories in health and medicine.
I witnessed that many times over the years I was married. At first it can mimic intoxication. February next year will make 3 yrs since diabetes took her. She was in the er multiple times over the years. She didn't make it back home the last time.
@@allenbloomfield6196 I am truly sorry for your loss, and thanks for sharing your experience. Most cops don't use common sense they are actually hired because they lack critical thinking abilities.
I got heat stroke on a construction site back in my younger days and luckily for me we were working on an addition to a hospital and my supervisor took me to the ER. I found out later they kept trying to second guess him but he loudly exclaimed in his supervisor voice that he knew what the hell heat stroke was and he'd probably seen more cases in his career than any of those sobs in that hospital. I woke up sane and hydrated the following day.
As soon as I heard he was 27 I stopped being remotely surprised. Hospital staff routinely treat any man under 35 as a druggy regardless of their symptoms. Friend of mine almost died at 24 because the clerk didn't want to admit him, and it turned out he had an abscess from a bad wisdom tooth removal that was close to bursting. I fell down a flight of stairs when I was 20 and all the female staff treated me like I was making it up and just looking for drugs when I went to the hospital. The only person who helped me was the single male nurse on staff.
When I was in my 50 I went to a dentist with a major tooth ace, but they would not help me or give me any medication. I spent over $2,000 to have my broken filling repaired. I took the receipt to them to show them the money that they lost. Yes, I am a White man.
When I was in my mid-20's I was struck by a car and taken to the hospital. My visible injuries were mild, but I had a concussion so bad that I couldn't walk without assistance or easily understand the things said to me. Everyone in the building treated me like dirt. They assumed either that the accident was my fault, or that I was pretending to be hurt. Every time I asked them to repeat something because I didn't understand, they either refused or started speaking to someone nearby, ignoring me completely. Very eye-opening for me, it changed my perspective of health professionals.
@@davidh9638 "Whether or not the accident was your fault should (obviously) have no bearing on your medical treatment." Exactly. If you treat a patient poorly because of your personal opinion you need to be fired or quit immediately.
I'm sorry to say none of your stories surprise me. I was treated horribly when I was 19 because my mother was not with me. I was so embarrassed and the male doctor humiliated me with his attitude. I have EMT training, and what Mr Lehto is describing is true. I knew better than to treat a person like that.
“He won’t wake up but he’s clearly healthy enough for jail.” I wonder how much damage was done to his health because of the negligence of both the hospital and police.
@@wessltovIf he had died there would have been an autopsy and the hospital staff that called the police on the patient would be facing prison time for negligent homicide.
My sister, God rest her soul, had all her teeth knocked out by an abusive husband. She was a tall but thin woman. Every time she went to the doctors or anywhere really, they would treat her like a druggy. The pharmacy would call her up at random times and make her bring any pills she had so they can count them (she took antidepressant to cope with the trauma). She had a chronically ill son, and they made her bring his meds in too. One doctor flat out refused to see her. I think judging people by their looks happens more than you'd think in professional settings :(
This reminds me of a case in Los Angeles several years ago. Guy showed up at a local ER with stomach pain. Hospital tried to ignore him. Tried to kick him out, even after he vomited blood on the floor. His family tried to call 911 to get him medical help, but they said he's already at a hospital, too bad. Family had to take him elsewhere themselves. I think he wound up dying. The hospital got shut down because of stuff like this.
Hospitals want paying sick people. There's a video on YT of a hospital calling the police to remove a patient they had discharged but had no place to go and no way to get there if she did. Police were no kinder to her than the medical "professionals." She died, I believe while still on hospital property. Heartless people who have taken oaths to help, save, and care. But don't do any one of the 3.
@@billh.1940 It seems like the drug cartels won. Also, Federal agencies were given a lot of power, without much oversight, which is a win for bureaucracy, corruption, and a government jobs program.
Portugal has made all drugs legal and you can get a fix from the drugstore. The result there is little to no drug problem as there is no black market profit and the lowest drug rate in the EU.
@@billh.1940 The 34th rule of acquisition. "War is good for business" Not to be confused with rule 34 as that's something entirely different. The goal isn't to win the war, its to keep it going for as long as possible as its insanely profitable.
He overdosed on heat, the world's most common street drug. I worked with a guy that was beaten by the police because they thought he od'd, but was having a seizure. So the cops thought that someone that was unresponsive and in an obvious medical crisis needed to be kicked in the head while the ambulance was on its way. So it just makes one ask, what mwdical school did they learn that from? The school of hard knocks?
Years ago, I had a friend in high school that one day, a couple school staff members and the school resource officer accused him of being drunk and was arrested and taken to the local detention center. When the parents were called by the police, NOT the school, the parents quickly recognized the situation and told the police that their son was a diabetic and to look at his medical alert bracelet on his wrist. The cops then called for medical staff from the detention center. They in turn called EMS. What fricking idiots!! If the idiot school staff members and SRO had just looked and even taken him to the health room in the first place, he would have been properly treated. The SRO was transferred to who knows where and not sure what happened to the school staff. Yes there was a few lawsuits filed.
Most hospitals in the US are owned by finance type companies (hedge fund , investment, etc.). The hospital chain where I live in NJ has a CEO who has no medical training. He is a finance person. We no longer have a health care system in the US. We have a financial system that provides health care. This is the predictable result. I have been an EMT for decades and I have never seen hospital care as bad as it is now.
A good head knows how to manage people or $$. You only think they have to be versed for what the staff does. If any medical decision needed the head guy's input/guidance/etc, ignore what I just said. Oh, big corporations equate to profit motives IMO.
His coworkers called emergency services on his behalf from the the workplace. He wasn't found unconscious on skid row. If a medical professional can't take context into account when diagnosing, they don't need to be working in medicine. What I learned in my 22 yrs of military service is that things like this usually happen because of poor leadership resulting in a toxic organizational culture. Firing people isn't enough-they need a complete evaluation of this organization and possibly a change in leadership if they want to change the culture and rebuild trust.
Twister never happen management is all about money and making plenty of it. That’s why they dismiss patients the same day . Keep the beds fill Ed to charge the insurance co.
A huge issue in today's world is firing anyone for cause without having 20 hoops to jump through with half of them on fire or moving. In the military it was very tough in every chain of command I was in to get a dirt bag sent packing.
The co-workers who called the ambulance said he had heat stroke. I know someone who is diabetic, had a hypoglycemic episode, was arrested for being intoxicated, told the cops he was diabetic, and passed out in the cell. An EMT heard cops laughing about it, demanded to see the man, and treated him. Listen to the patient.
@@eilenekellogg9356 cops see and interact with no good liars and thief's all day after a while they just assume that everyone is a lying drug addict they see drug addicts have medical emergencies often and over time they stop caring they don't care if they live or they die they think it's their fault and eventually they think everyone is a drug addict and every medical emergency is an overdose by a no good waste of space not worth saving or feeling sorry for it's a well known issue in policing there is some departments that mandate sensitivity training to combat this but few do it even less take it seriously they end up becoming cold hearted and cynical I have 4 police officers in my family 2 of them are downright sadistic and abusive 1 is cynical and 1 is depressed
This was a few years ago, my aunt was a diabetic. I'm still now really sure how this happened as she took good care of herself and was a nurse. One night things went wrong and she has no memory of it but was awoken by cops as her car was stopped in a ditch. I'm so glad that the officer realized it was a medical situation, It scares me thinking about how bad that could've turned out.
@@deconteesawyer5758 Well, that thing about the human body, one moment you're fine, the next you could be having a stroke. You don't get to pick and choose when you have a medical emergency.
That happened to me years ago. I was taken to the ER by ambulance. Then was grilled for hours about what drugs I was on. Staff refused to believe me or not treat me like shit. I don't to drugs and didn't take ots pain pills either. They called me later to inform me that I had a thyroid condition and my hormones was going nuts. I never once got an apology even after pointing out how shit their serve and conduct was.
I am a retired RN and have worked in an ER. Any ER doctor should have immediately ordered a drug panel as well as other tests! Thank goodness they fired these employees and their professional licenses should be in jeopardy!
Standard practice but as you know it is dependent on the verbage that the triage nurse communicate to the MD; I too retired after 26 years of practice, the quality of RNs nowadays are highly questionable.
@@tdgdbs1 How do you know it was an MD? It could have been a nurse practitioner or a physicians assistant. The MD, depending on the ER, isn't necessarily going to examine the patient if one of those two saw him.
Many year ago my daughter was with my husband at the local pub. He had less than half a glass of beer when his eyes rolled back in his head and he passed out. Seizure. Ambulance was called and he was taken to the hospital. While in the hospital he had a stroke. Not his first. The nurse, an older woman who was there, recognized the stroke right away. But the young intern said there was nothing wrong with my husband other than being drunk. My daughter tried to say hebwas not drunk and the nurse also insisted it was a stroke. Thankfully, even though it was late at night, the nurse phoned my husband's specialist. A brain scan confirmed the stroke.
In my 30-year career in medicine I saw far more nurses save lives than doctors. I got so sick of the doctors getting all the credit for the treatments that the nurses did.
A very similar thing happened to my 19 year old cousin, who had moved far away for college. She was at a college party when it happened. No one at the hospital believed her friends when they said my cousin had only half a cider and was now incoherent. They discharged her twice without any tests. On the third visit to the emergency room, nearly 24 hours after the initial incident, her father had made the 8 hour drive out and raised hell, and at that point, she needed to be air lifted to another hospital for more specialty care, because she now had a brain bleed. She could have ended up a vegetable, and I feel blessed to even get to speak to her any more. Her college friends who kept dragging her back to the ER despite all the so called professionals demanding they give up are absolute heroes in my book. Cousin now has a major seizure disorder, but is lucky that that's all. Your husband was lucky anyone at the hospital believed him/
The police cannot legally force the hospital to treat the man; however, they can certainly take him to another medical facility instead of to jail. This could easily have caused irreversible brain damage, organ damage, or death. Even if he was high on drugs as the staff claimed, it is malpractice to inject chemicals into his bloodstream and then kick him to the curb while he is obviously unwell.
An old neighbor of mine almost d1ed from heat stroke in Vietnam. Ended up permanently screwing his body's heat regulation. He could not tolerate any amount of heat (over about 75 degrees) or right back into heat stroke. He used to mow his lawn after dark in Summer- thank goodness for tolerant, understanding neighbors and no HOA. I did the lawn for him a couple of times during heat waves when it was still beastly hot at night.
Actually the hospital has a legal obligation to treat him. Because they claimed they treated him and he was discharged means they are responsible for his condition.
I mean, I can't really fault the police though, they got their medical clearance, and the hospital is supposed to be the expert in this situation. I can't really fault them (the police) for deferring to their (the hospital staff's) judgement, since realistically it's not really their call. I'm surprised though that they got the guy back to jail for 12 hours and never thought to double check (I get the initial reliance on the hospital, but after a bit of interaction at the jail they probably should've double checked, though again, I get the reliance on the medical clearance from the initial hospital) That being said, holy crap did the hospital s**t the bed here.
Happenned to me, April 2014... handicapped since that very day. Canadian system has tons of perks over US but people remain humanly inconsiderate pricks most calendar days
Even if they thought the hospital knew better than them at the time so took him, at no time in that 12 hours nobody was like "he still isn't responding, maybe we should get a second opinion". He had to be rushed to the second hospital so the poor man was still in pretty bad shape. I can't imagine going to the hospital passing out and waking up in another hospital only to find out you sat in jail for hours without anyone helping you.
I went to my PCP 4 years ago because I was having episodes of gasping for air, but still feeling like I was suffocating. They just popped up randomly, lasted for 1-2 minutes, then vanished. He literally laughed at me and said "you quit smoking last month, and you're worried about a little shortness of breath?" So I blew it off myself. A year later, I'm sitting in the ICU with advanced heart failure, being told I might not make it out of the hospital. I was told I might need a heart transplant, which I refused. Thankfully, after a few surgeries and medicine that costs enough monthly to give me another heart attack, I'm still kicking. All that to say I don't think my original doctor had it out for me, or intentionally gave me bad care. But I've also learned that dangerously incompetent medical professionals exist - and being young (I was 26 when all this started) seems to make you a target for poor care.
Would be nice to know full name of hospital, full name of its director, full names of the attending staff that neglected to provide full medical assistance These “professionals” should be stripped of their licenses for life
As a nurse of 38 years the last 15-16 in the ED this makes me sick. What the hell is wrong with these people. Even if he had been on drugs and responded to Narcan that should have bought him at least 12 hours in the ED because Narcan wears off faster than drugs usually do. So if you are on drugs and you become incoherent and basically making random motions again you get more Narcan and repeat as needed. Also urine drug screens don't take that long. Also the reason for Narcan and continued watching - so the patient doesn't go so comatose he needs to be intubated. So were the police supposed to intubate if the patient stops breathing? Were they even watching him? And of course this poor man wasn't even a drug patient. It doesn't sound like they did anything for him except make assumptions that could have cost him his life.
This entire situation is insanity. I am stuck on the fact this man had to be intubated when he was brought to the second facility. Presumably he spent a few hours at the original facility and then another 12 hours in lockup. The poor man must have decomponsated further during those hours. No one at the jail could recognize that their prisoner was in distress? Jesus, the man is lucky to have come out of this without damage to his brain, heart or kidneys.
Their best diagnostician is a junkie that has his staff of 4-6 work all week to run every expensive test they have, as well as raid the patient's home before getting an answer.
It's truly unbelieve that even if they went down the diagnostic pathway of opiod overdose when the initial complaint was heat related and confused, you'd think the first test you'd do is check glucose and take a temperature. And that nobody insisted to rule out heat related illness in a 27 year old that was involved in his care? The failures of everyone involved is truly mind-blowing.
Its Kentucky and they think everything is drugs .I had heat stroke in Ohio and the police tried to arrest me saying I was high on drugs but the emt fought for my safety.
hospital cafeteria worker here. If I witnessed somebody fall over. First try to catch them, check a pulse. if no palse yell out somebody declare a code and start chest compressions. If they have a palse then try to get someone with more medical training. I hope the board takes away the licenses from those that refused care.
Unless you're in the ER for something minor, try NEVER to go to the hospital without someone to go to bat for you! ESPECIALLY If you are not totally coherent! If it's your relative or friend on the way to the ER, get there fast!
1. As a healthcare worker (Fire/EMS and RN) the actions by the medical staff is sickening. Wtf. They should all be brought up to their respective boards for review and also given any criminal charges that apply in that state. 2. While the police are not medical workers, they do have the ability to call for medical help. Once that guy was in their cruiser or at the jail the could have called EMS for an evaluation. Instead they let him sit in that jail cell. 3. Hospitals actively discourage nurses and docs from filing police reports against patients who attack us. I’m shocked they allowed them to be called, and of all times when it’s the least necessary. Provided the man’s statements are true, it’s absolutely despicable how this man was treated by everyone involved. I hope he gets an enormous payout and those who were deliberately negligent face professional and criminal charges.
My daughter had an adverse reaction to one of her seizure meds. She was unresponsive and her heart rate, at rest, was 138 bpm. We called an ambulance and got her to the ER. Some ER doctors are amazingly incompetent. They ran a blood test. It came back normal. She still was unresponsive and heart rate still in the 130s. The ER doctor came in, said everything looked normal, and he was discharging her. I told him to actually look at her. She is unresponsive and her heart rate is indicating there are some significant issues. Within 2 hours, she was in ICU and stayed there for 2 weeks. She was in a normal room for 4 more weeks. She had to be weened off all seizure meds and slowly have them reintroduced to determine which was the culprit. It was two meds that do not mix well, something that is published now but was not known or documented at that time. She made a full recovery but it was a very scary situation. Makes you wonder how many he sent home and their condition got worse.
There is A grade doctor and their are some that barely pass D grade doctor. Make sure u get the A doctor because the D ones are no better than any stranger off the streets.
A guy I worked with felt bad & went to the ER, they checked him out & sent him home so he could have a heart attack & die alone. He had health insurance, but what good was it?
@@sv2697 how does a patient know beforehand and how is a patient able to know what grade the doctor is they're going to be seen or treated by? I usually get sent to another doctor by a doctor and I have no way of knowing the doctors competency level before I ever meet him or her.
@@my83roadster4me u don't, it's call "trust but verify". That is get a second opinion. I had a doctor prescribe me some medication that made me hella sick, only for him to call later after the lab results to not take them. Between me and my wife visiting enough clinic, specialty doctors, etc I learn that some doctors are great and some are no better than WebMD. The key is to avoid the Dr. Nick (Simpson) or Dr. Oz, especially if ur getting an operation. A Dr. Nick operated on one of my ex co-worker and the guy's back was fk up ever since. He couldn't go to work for years so he had to be let go, it end up costing him his job.
My brother was in the hospital for something unrelated. They put him in detox, because in previous times he was in detox. The cops showed up to the hospital, ripped out his iv and arrested him, and took him to a jail cell. He passes out in the jail cell and they took him back to the hospital. Yes my brother in the past did take drugs but at that time he wasn't on drugs. Some drugs do take time to test, but as a former nurse I would never treat a patient like this. This is absolutely disgusting, and I hope he sues them for everything they got. This is more common than you think. I have argued with police officers in the past as a nurse because of them coming into the hospital and mistreating patients. I had to threaten with calling their CO and telling the police that if they take this person, they will endanger the person. Sometimes they still refuse and I have to get a doctor to tell them to leave the premises. It happens. It happens often. My brother was also entubated after he passed out in a jail cell. For three days. I no longer trust police officers. My brother was murdered last year in August and the police would harass me and follow me around. I had to break into all my brothers accounts to find out where my brother was and what he was doing myself and tell the police where to go and look into; because of this they thought I was involved. The police DO NOT CARE. My brother will never get justice, my brother will never have his killers found. Who's fault is it here? Was it because I didn't try, or because the cops didn't do their job. Instead of looking for who did this to my brother, they sent people to follow me around and harass me. They would call me harassing me every day telling me that they know "I'm involved, and they will find proof." They would send undercover officers to the cemetary to record me while I was at my brothers grave crying. I had to record them doing this and threaten media before they left me alone. I got tired of it. It why I did not pursue it anymore. At least on the internet my brothers and my story can be heard.
@mike n Go bait someone else you freak. I have no reason to lie about this. My sibling is dead. I hope you never have to experience the crap that is our health care system, because I wouldn't wish that bs on my worst enemy.
Worked 12 years of my 25-year Nursing career as the Director Of Medical Services at a Regional Jail and one of our state prisons in WV. I don't even know where to start when listing the mistakes and crimes by these "Medical professionals"...Medical malpractice, medical neglect, violations of numerous state protocols and facility protocols, possible abuse, multiple standards of practice/care violations, probable civil rights violations, and possible falsification of medical records. Sounds like many of the medical staff members should've been taken to jail instead of the patient.
My wife took me to the ER a few years ago, don't remember what was wrong. I found it impossible to stay conscious while being asked questions, and they ignored what my wife was telling them. I think it may have been when I'd managed to destroy the plate and screws in my ankle. At any rate, the idiot doctor wanted to just send me away...but if I had left, I almost certainly would have died--I had a massive infection. Not the only time an ER doctor treated me wrongly, either. This sort of thing happens far too often, and some of the time, people die. This really needs to stop.
Doctors and nurses seem to immediately assume that young people can't be having real medical problems. I had my first kidney stone at 22 years old and had to visit 3 hospitals to get an x-ray. I'm 43 years old now and walked into a hospital saying I'm having a heart attack. The registration nurse said you don't look like you are having a heart attack and wanted to send me home. I refused and said I want a doctor to make that determination, so I sat in the waiting room where I researched what the hospital should be doing. After waiting 45 minutes a young woman, who was making a lot of noise with a twisted ankle from playing basketball was admitted. I then complained that I needed a 12-point lead echocardiogram and a blood test for troponin levels. The registration nurse said, "Is that what Doctor Google recommends?" I was given an ECG which showed no heart attack in progress at the time (N-STEMI heart attack), but I was admitted and blood tests showed troponin levels above 6,000. A couple days later I had an angiogram and then a triple coronary artery bypass. The only reason I'm alive is due to chewing a couple aspirins before going to the hospital. Edit: I have complained to the hospital and I was told the Emergency Room Manager would call me, but I still haven't received a call. I'll be raising how I was treated again with my cardiologist at my next appointment. I appreciate everyone's comments.
Oh my, oh my - - that the nurse actually said ‘is that what Dr. Google recommends’‼️⁉️ What an A-hole!!! If I had overheard any of the hospital staff, say that - - I would have reported it immediately. Sadly over my 30+ year nursing career, I noticed that those who display blatant symptoms of a disease or injury - - usually get care faster, then those who don’t ‘look’ that bad.
Yep doctors are garbage a lot of times especially if you 'look good'. People think way too highly of the profession. Hopefully you found some good doctors now.
Doctor Google is our best friend and about 100x more intelligent than any doctor. I've diagnosed myself properly 100 times out of 100, far more than the actual doctors at the hospital have. Whenever I get a diagnosis I disagree with and is frankly beyond retarded, I immediately find another fucking doctor. I had a blood clot 2 years ago in my leg, I couldn't walk on one side for almost a week. I told doc I'm a marathon runner might have something to do with it, even after the X-Ray he misdiagnoses me with a Calf-Tear because he's too stupid or lazy to properly look at the XRay. It definitely isn't a Calf-Tear, and I refuse to leave until I get the fucking X-Ray scan for myself so I can take it to a second opinion. Asshole doctor is arguing with me, go to the ER a couple hours later and sure enough it's a clear as day Blood Clot. Just because schools are afraid to fail idiots doesn't mean they aren't still idiots. Plenty of baffoons working in the medical industry, don't trust any of them.
This is a major EMTALA violation and can earn everyone involved could get a $50,000 fine. I've been a RN in a level 2 trauma center. This is beyond shocking.
I remember a story where a diabetic pulled over to the side of the road because of low blood sugar. Cop came and accused him of DUI. Man told him it was low blood sugar. Thrown to the ground and arrested anyway. Could have killed him. Another friend was in a motorcycle accident landing in a ditch with a head injury. Was incoherent with the cops so they threw him in handcuffs and into the backseat of the cruiser. EMT demanded to see him thank god. Taken to hospital. Head trauma so bad he had relearn how walk and talk.
Heat stroke is no joke. Two summers ago I suffered through it. My wife rushed me to the E.R. as my body was starting to go into shock and as I was blacking out. Turned out I was also extremly dehyrated and so low on pottasium that my heart was begining to stop. Luckily the nurses and doctor that night were very professional and caring. Got me sevetal I.V.'s and did blood work immediatly. At some other hospistals they just don't care about people and in their arrogance jump to conclusions.
The doctors in the ER, they completely ignored the background story, he was at work! His coworkers suspected heat exhaustion, why would you suddenly suspect anything other? And a blood test will show any illegal substance once anyone is in that bad of shape. It may be hard to tell immediately after consumption of drugs, but once someone is unconscious, you bet it’s in their blood. I suspect this is a case of prejudice. For what ever reason, skin color, the way he was dressed? The way he wore his hair? Suspected he voted for the wrong guy? For whatever reason the doctor didn’t care if he died.
This probably happens more often than one would think. I vaguely recall a story of a man who I believe and was driving cross country had to stop in a hospital because he did not have some needed medication. They immediately treated him as a drug addict. Untreated heat stroke can cause permanent brain damage or kill.
Well, the medical community is way ahead of you. They use the term "Idiopathic". They think it makes them sound smart about something they do not know.
as someone harmed for life because of dumb small town good ole boy doctors and a single mom having it all, I agree. They never even tried to diagnose my symptoms. Kept giving me treatments that didnt work.
It doesn't say but it sounds like they didn't even do basic vital signs checks. Dizziness, elevated temp., with dry skin, (Body's cooling system not working, not sweating), on a HOT day in a HOT factory, should have been an indicator for heat stroke, (Which is what he was brought in for), if even a first year med student checked.
Worked in a plastic factory for about 5 years in New Jersey. When your around those machines when it's that hot out temperature in the factory by these machines can get up to 145 degrees. Hospitals should know something about this. Hope he gets a good lawyer.
I occasionally buy something from a specialized plastic factory, usually in the summer time. I don't understand how people work in those conditions. Its loud, it smells bad, always hot, etc.
My mom is a doctor. I'll forward this video to her but I remember her telling me that there are physical signs of heat stroke which include slurred speech and high fever. They should have took his temperature and blood pressure which is standard procedure in an emergency room for any patient. That would have told them everything they needed to know.
UPMC sent my mom home two times, once in afternoon then evening when complaining her arm was broken. I demanded they admit her but they refused and told me "it wasn't a dumping ground" At 230 am I called ambulance and they took her to different hospital and she was put in ICU for septic shock. She died from her injuries. I couldn't sue attorney said because she was old I have hate in my heart for UPMC
As a physician I have to agree with you and the doctor responsible for the discharge needs to be held accountable. This is clearly medical malpractice and is inexcusable
While i'm no fan of the cops i really don't think they are liable here, as shitty as their actions were they can only assume the medical professionals are telling the truth so if they say he's on drugs and it's safe to take him away the cops don't any ground to argue that. So as long as they did do stupid shit like rough him up for being out of it they will be in the clear
@@shaynegadsden I think the majority of the blame can placed on the attending physician, he or she is responsible for the discharge eval. I think the cops need to take ownership if a patient is non responsive they have the administrative authority to demand that the hospital treat the patient or transport the person to another facility. I think we are dealing with low IQ people from the doctor to the cops.
I went through something similar as a teen... I remember a blinding light hitting me square in the eyes while riding a streetcar in the summer, then a few minutes later I started to lose my ability to read, then gradually started to lose my ability to speak, then my vision started to fritz out completely - it scared the living hell out of me. I managed to get to the local hospital, where - obviously, because why not - they treated me as a drug OD, taking numerous vials of blood from me over a period of hours, all angry that I was wasting their time: "This wouldn't have happened if you weren't on whatever you're on!" By that time, I was quite incoherent, but I remember trying to explain (babbling) that I'd never taken any drugs in my life. Eventually, my powers of speech and reading returned (the vision having returned shortly after I got there, stumbling, almost crawling up the street from the transit stop), and they released me to my family - said it was an anxiety attack (lol). It wasn't until it happened again a few more times that I got a better diagnosis: migraines. After hearing this story, I sure am glad they didn't call the police in; it was bad enough trying to explain this to my parents as is, but at least there were no drugs found (as if there would have been).
Several years ago in Louisville, a young construction worker with heat stroke was taken to a Hospital’s clinic by his crew. The clinic's staff said they weren’t equipped to handle something like that and allowed the man to die lying in the shade on the grass by the clinic. A McDonald's could have done more for him. If that clinic was taken to task over that incident, I never heard about it.
I'm sorry, but I have to believe there is more to the story than just that. In 1986 they passed a law called the emergency medical treatment and Labor Act. If you get within a couple of hundred feet of a hospital they have to see you. No matter what. Failure to do so can literally shut the hospital down and it leaves them subject to fines that can run easily into the millions of dollars. I have had doctors who have seen patients for mosquito bites. We're talking one mosquito bite that you could no longer even see. But everyone gets seen.
@@windmillacres679 I was able to Google-up that story in the Louisville newspaper. It happened in 2011, and one of the people with the young man was his stepfather. The hospital group is trying to put a spin on this and deny they did anything wrong. He eventually was taken to a hospital but he was effectively dead by then. I saw nothing about litigation or criminal charges.
To your comment about people in ER/hospital/medical facilities that look unwell... You are correct. Some people may look unwell, and be unwell. Others may look unwell, but are actually fine (they just look terrible all the time), and last, you may have some people who present are "perfectly fine" but are really unwell. I was a perfect example of the last, twenty five years ago. I had some mild discomfort in my chest. As a matter of fact, I worked for half a day, carrying computers and large monitors (the old CRT/tube type) up and down stairs, as we swapped out computers. My wife knew that if I was willing to admit some pain/discomfort, that it probably was fairly bad, so she insisted that we go to the local urgent care. Once there, the staff got rather excited and took me to the ER. At that point, I still didn't know why or what was "wrong" with me, and thought I would be released to go home soon. Boy was I wrong. Once in the ER, they told my wife that I had a spontaneous pneumothorax (hole in the lung, which had caused a full collapse). She told me, and then as the various ER nurses came and went, several mentioned not hearing the ambulance. Me, still not grasping the enormity of my condition, finally said to one "If you need this room for someone coming in an ambulance, I can wait in the hall or waiting room." - The nurse pretty much went off on me at that point and was telling me how terrible I should feel and look because of my condition, and that most people who have this are brought in by ambulance, not walk in, and they can't walk, can't talk, and are in the fetal position. This of course frustrated me, that she was telling me that I should be "bad" and shouldn't be acting "normal", so my wild streak kicking in a bit and I told her I felt great, so much so that I could dance... did she want to dance?" - My wife (knowing that I don't dance), scolded me to stop tormenting the nurse. I replied, with the nurse still in the room, that maybe the nurse should stop telling me how bad I should look and feel, and be happy that I am good enough to help them, rather than making their job more difficult. Shortly after, the doctor arrived, explained my condition, how he was going to fix it, and then put me out to start the procedure. I spent a week in the hospital. Glad they didn't kick me out/have me arrested because I "looked fine."
As someone who has been in the job in Florida for 25 years these stories always shock me. The jail we use would not take that person and would have refused them. I know if a person can’t get up or respond they should not be going to jail. These kind of things make all of us on the job look bad. Also most don’t know that if narcan does not bring you to an awake status then drugs are not the main problem. I hope the man didn’t suffer permanent brain damage of any kind as a result. Thanks again Steve. As a police officer and constitutionalist I appreciate all of your videos.
Naloxone is only for opioids though isn't it? There are plenty of other things people get messed up on these days granted opioids are the most common. Especially now how they give pills out like candy to treat everything these days.
I have also worked in correction system (state prisons) nursing. If we received an patient (inmate) in this condition - we would have requested a call for an EMS response to the facility and provided supportive care and at least BLS level treatment. Nothing was indicated about nursing staff at the jail (many do have a nurse). I suppose small jails might not have nursing or medical staff. But, this also should not have been permitted to continue at the jail. There was tremendous break-down in safeguards across the board with this man. This, is so bad - it almost defies belief - but, I have no real doubt as to the veracity of the claims. It seems like a bad game of follow the most incompetent and indifferent leader; it seems nobody further critical assessment of this man occurred; it's much like everyone just believed an incorrect report about this man and did nothing further. Even if the drug report was correct - I've given Narcan before - had the patient recover and then go back down and quit breathing. It is not appropriate to care for this type of patient without monitoring in a hospital. Hell, we have even had to start Narcan drips in more severe cases. This, should not have occurred.
Nurse from Detroit here. A urine drug screen (UDS) is incredibly common in ERs and certainly would've been a quick, easy way to confirm whether or not he was on drugs. Blood tests are less commonly used in hospital settings but are still just as available and result quickly. Believe it or not, there are bad doctors, nurses, etc just like any other profession. Sounds like they failed this patient.
This is an EMTALA violation. The hospital should have CMS crawling up their butts. Also, I am in the industry 😅🤣😅 the drug test is 5 to 10 minutes for the 12 most common narcotics.
As a trauma nurse this is sickening, I’m ashamed of people like this in my profession. I’ve been seeing two problems in law enforcement and emergency services, there is an assumption that everyone is drunk or on drugs so that is their starting point. Too many people having diabetic shock are beaten by police thinking they are drunk. Secondly, there is a lack of empathy now days. A heat stroke is a medical emergency and can kill you, any competent nurse/doctor can diagnose it in 60 seconds.
Heat stroke that causes cns depression is a very serious, potentially fatal condition. I learned that when I got my First Aid badge in the Scouts when I was a kid. I was twelve.
I broke my neck! In the emergency room the doctor would not even touch my neck. It took more than a week to find a doctor that would order an x-ray. Within an hour I was in a jet health flight to Phoenix, AZ for emergency operation. The hospital only cared not to lose a law suit. It was abundantly clear the doctor thought I just was trying to get drugs! Another example of the abuses because of the war on drugs!
I'm always worried I'm gonna be accused of being a druggie by going to the doctor if I'm in pain. I have adverse reactions to several pain medications and will list them during intake. And I list ones I know I can take where i have no reaction. One is more powerful than morphine, but I dont have reactions to it (morphine is one i have a reaction to).
@@benjie128 if you know drug names you MUST be an addict. They have been 100% indoctrinated be the evil people in the DEA. If a doctor doesn't play by their rules the DEA takes their license that cost them hundreds of thousands to get. The only ones who will do pain meds are the most heartless selfish doctors alive.
@@benjie128 my doctor was about to go to cavity searches and lie detector test when I finally had enough. I was not going to live in pain either when I found out about Kraton a tree leaf that does as good a job as the drugs and I don't have to get on my knees and service the doctors any longer. Check it out. Look up a movie on youtube called "leaf of faith"
@@wallychambe1587 I have horror stories! They literally have you by the dangling bits play their game of live in pain, and some take full advantage of that power. I had a couple doctors that we're good people but they quiet because of the pressure from DEA till they couldn't do their job.
I once dated a doctor who had genuine concern about my nice demeanor because nice people (apparently) have worse outcomes in hospitals versus people who resort to being jerks to ensure treatment. Now I am beginning to see why. Of course, I’m not quite sure how one could be a jerk while unconscious.
It’s all about corporate greed nowadays. Apparently I owed my doctor $600(I have no idea how as I always pay for appointments in cash) and he refused to see me and even went to get security to have me removed when I insisted that I always pay cash when I come in. 🤷🏼♂️
In Feb. 2020 I had major surgery for cancer. 64 at the time. A few months later I was having complications and my doctor told me to go to the ER, since he had ordered a CT scan and blood work. After the tests were done and the nurse was taking the last vitals before discharge, I informed the nurse I wasn't feeling right. She asked what I meant, and I said I was dizzy and shaky. That was the last thing I remembered until I regained consciousness, to find a nurse on either side of me squeezing IV bags connected to each arm and another injecting medication, saying my name and, "Don't you code on me!" Later, before being admitted the nurse related to me that the ER doctor thought I was only there to get pain meds and not to give me any.
There are some STRANGE goings on at HCA Frankfort Regional Medical Center lately. 2 years ago, I was in the ER with a broken foot, no narcotics were given, but they insisted I have a driver to be released. 2 months ago, I was in there with excruciating LLQ pain, they treated me correctly, but released me on my own even though I told them I was “loopy” from the morphine. I was definitely in NO shape to be driving! Yep, I complained!
I recalled a news story where a man with a fever was released from hospital and was found at the side of the road still having that fever. I was speechless.
My mom went to the hospital with extremely high blood pressure and they wouldn't treat it. They accused her of causing high blood pressure by checking her blood pressure. Her doctor had told her that if it ever got over this point to come into his office or go to the emergency room. But they wanted to send her home. She went to her doctor thr next day and he told her not to go to that hospital again.
That kinda happened to me. I was in terrible pain, and the hospital decided I was on drugs, and seeking opioids. They tried to put me in psych, but I got out of there quickly. I laid on my floor for 9 hrs in extreme pain. Turns out I had an ulcer, and gut bleed, and had also become anemic from blood loss. It was horrible, and I'll never go to an emergency room again unless I'm unconscious, and cant object.
There are a lot of hospitals like that in this country. My wife's son had his tonsils out. Two weeks later he started throwing up huge amounts of blood. We took him to a small-town hospital. The ER checked him out and released him saying that we were lying. We were walking out of the hospital with a nurse when he threw up again. Another huge amount of blood in the middle of the hallway floor. The nurse adjusted her attitude real fast after seeing this for herself. The hospital helicoptered him to the children's hospital in St. Louis. Anyone want to guess what the ER doctors did not know? 2 weeks after having your tonsils removed, the scab falls off and you bleed straight down into your stomach. The children's hospital cauterized the wound again. The point of this story is; If you want to live, stay away from small town hospitals.
I think you mean stay away from that particular hospital. All dogs being mammals doesn't imply all mammals being dogs. Equally, one small-town hospital being poor doesn't imply all small-town hospitals are equally poor. There are some excellent doctors and hospitals in small communities.
The medical field has gone down hill from the nineties when they started admitting minorities that couldn't meet standard qualification, so that they can get more Federal money! There is no part of our society that can't be screwed up by idi-ot Government politicians controlling the money!! Be very wary when you go to the Hospital; many people die in there!!!
The hospital in my town is known as a place you don't want to go. I always say never go there for more than anything that needs a bandaid and they might even still put that on wrong.
@@Vykk_Draygo no there really are statistics about very poor care in rural healthcare they don't see alot of patients and have the attitude of if I don't know you in this small town you must be an outsider begone grew up in the country and was treated like this for a decade plus of health issues growing up and going to a dozen plus small town drs eventually I went to a suburb outside the capital and was immediately referred to 3 specialists and diagnosed with tests right away one remarked how stupid my previous doctors where based on my medical reports that they couldn't figure out I had esophagitis even a basic throat check was obvious I had acid scaring and was not just faking to stay out of school my doctors where all appalled at the decade worth of laziness from my previous doctors had one outright tell me stay away from small town healthcare it's just a paycheck to them they want an easy job in a slow town easy money no work
I almost completed my "lame corporate excuse" bingo card from the hospital's public statement. "Terminated the employees involved", "additional training", and "we apologize" I was missing an "unable to comment on ongoing lawsuit" and "mistakes were made" or other passive language to get a filled line.
They didn't claim that nothing was done wrong and insist that the patient was lying. That already puts them well above the normal for most organizations, whether business or government.
Most corporations refuse to admit they made a mistake! Significantly, while being sued! They only did this because another hospital treated the man for the symptoms they should have caught! Either way, they knew they would lose, so better to pretend you cared and fire the underlings, and apologize! The jury will take that into account and may reduce the payout!
@@mind_of_a_darkhorse Funny. If I were on a jury, based on these facts, I wouldn't reduce the payout. Something about the leadership culture led the relevant staff to think this was okay. Their best bet for me to not favor smacking them hard on the punitive damage would be to have emails from above that were consistent with actual outrage. Now, that said, that would just move the punitive damage from the org to the leadership staff on duty that night. I'd have no problem wrecking their finances over flagrantly disregarding the welfare of one in their charge. Alas, some judge on appeal would probably reduce it on some BS principle that ignores the human impact of such indifference to suffering. Indeed, I think "depraved indifference" is the legal term (though as a non-lawyer, I cannot say for certain this is the right terminology).
@@williamsteveling8321 Currently, we all have to contend with biased judges on the courts who seem to go out of their way to side with businesses over the common people!
That is completely bonkers. I can't imagine taking someone incoherent and unresponsive to jail. If he were under the influence, then the hospital was still the right place to be - though maybe not that one that night. If he was still showing heat exhaustion 12 hours later, I feel like he's lucky to be alive and not permanently injured. Horrible situation.
The hospital staff also ignored the ambulance crew when they must have told them he was picked up from WORK (not the sidewalk) and the co-workers told them they suspected heat stroke.
I hope they look deeper into this situation during the discovery process. I theorize the issue might stem from an administrative edict that based on a set of triage rules they try to as quickly as possible discharge patients like this because they don’t make money from them. I’m glad you mentioned the correlation between bad cops and now bad medical personnel.
I've presented twice in my lifetime to an ER and was discharged with a critical missed diagnosis, under treated, and too sick and incapacitated to advocate for myself. And I used to work in healthcare.....eye opening....every patient needs one or more advocates.....ideally ....
There was a MASSIVE loss of employees, like over 30%, and a high proportion of those were the older and more experienced nurses. So obviously the standard of care declines.
Only in the last 2 years, sad. The excessive for profit medical industry corruption for more than 40 years has screwed more people than you could ever count
A disabled veteran friend of mine toward the end of her military service fainted while standing in formation in the hot sun. A doctor was not called. Her husband was not called. Her immediate superior was called and told to come get his soldier off the lawn because it looked bad for the visitors. All this after she had just had exploratory surgery in which the surgeons ALLEGEDLY found nothing. They sewed her up and sent her on a 2-mile run, in which the stitches of course ripped out. Once she left the military she was seen by a prominent specialist at a world-famous teaching hospital who diagnosed her with the worst case of a particular condition he had EVER seen, and that condition was his specialty. Whoever had operated on her before MUST have seen it, and the specialist testified in writing that it was HIGHLY unlikely to have been invisible such a short time earlier. Interestingly, a couple of years later, despite her having an honorable discharge in hand, in writing, she was notified that she was AWOL and subject to arrest if she did not report for duty immediately. At the time she was bedridden, recovering from yet another surgical procedure addressing the original condition that the military failed to diagnose. ::smh::
Steve you are correct sir. I have on several occasions experienced things such as this in my 26 1/2 year police career. The one that sticks out was a MVA. The officers first on the scene already decided the driver was DUI based on the physical appearance and smell. (I was also working as a EMT-A part time.) After making contact with the driver, I immediately recognized the signs and symptoms of Ketone acidosis which requires immediate treatment, informed the "rookies", that the last place this guy needs is to be in jail, and ask why EMS was not called. To make a long story short, ambulance was called, the guy was treated and after a day or two in the hospital he was fine. And yes sir, we are trained in basic first aid in the academy. With that being said I am HAPPY I do not have to put up with BS from the younger generations attitude anymore and retired. I think I will stick to serving service of legal process from now on. LOL
sad to hear you retired. Seems we need more guys like you in the field. Can save a lot of lives. And i would not thrust those rookie officers with my life if they made that call. Its no wonder the thrust in the police declines this much. If you have these kind of rookies. and that officer from the story. This is why we need more professional. and better trained officers on the streets.
I sure miss officers such as yourself. Now it seems we have a bunch of knuckle-draggers who have never exercised their critical thinking skills. All they know to do is get ID and escalate an encounter until they can make an arrest, especially if their omniscience is challenged or their ego is bruised.
@@msdarby515 Sadly ma'am you are absolutely correct. I could see the writing on the wall. I knew there was no way in H$^* I would "fit in". MERRY CHRISTMAS ma'am to you and your loved ones.
I think the reason the younger generations of police officers tend to behave like they have their heads up their asses is because they have incentive to do so. Getting DUI arrests is great for your career these days, even if you have to make them up.
I had just gotten a new primary care physician and was completely compliant with every request they asked, then they followed up with a call and gave me the results of various tests they had performed and it was all gibberish to me. So I asked the staff if I could schedule an appointment to discuss the general nature of my medical care with this physician. Leading up to the appointment I thought about how I felt as if I had been treated like cattle force-fed through an assembly line, and when I checked in at the doctors office I was in a poor mood. I had a friend with me and we were finally led back to the examination rooms and waited for the doctor, instead of a doctor, a security guard showed up and ordered me to leave because I supposedly had “made the staff feel uncomfortable“ even though I was pleasant every other moment except at the initial check-in. I called the doctor to ask why I was treated this way and it was incredibly unproductive, and this had been my friend’s doctor for quite some time and she was just as shocked as I was by this treatment. I’ve found a new doctor since but quite a few people have told me that the medical system isn’t about treating you like a patient, you’re just simply another Opportunity to make a little money in the quicker they get their money, the happier they are.
Last time I went to the doctor's office, they couldn't tell me what the bill would be after they finished, because it takes a different department to calculate the bill for a non-emergency checkup, and it took over a month to be mailed to me. The first person who saw me during the visit to take vitals and record basic information about the issue was a "hunt and peck" typer, despite it literally being her job to type in information on a computer. I went to the eye doctor for an infected scratch on my eye, and they asked me when I left if I wanted to pay immediately, pay at the follow up for both visits, or just get the bill in the mail. Both the eye doctors I've been to were better than the medical clinic I used to go to, and significantly better than some of the other doctor's offices I've been to, at least in terms of convenience, service, and often wait time.
I am a nurse and I understand the frustration and not being able to understand the explanations as to what is going on with your health when you're not feeling well. But I have had patients turn around and demand that I show them their lab results. I've shown them these lab results and they'll take one of them and start asking questions. For example, the most common test is a CBC complete blood count. If you want me to explain exactly what those numbers mean then you need to sit down and spend some time. Because if you don't have some basic college level anatomy and physiology classes, those that explanation is going to make very little sense to you. I can cut it down to an extremely simple explanation but if you want more than that you better be planning to go to college. Sometimes the answers people seek are just too complicated for them to understand. We can give you basic information. We can explain stuff on a basic level. But it's going to be very, very basic. And if you want more than that you're going to be looking at some serious studying just to understand how it works.
@Br3ttM I have a quick explanation for you as to they're unable to tell you what the bill is going to be. The best they can do is give you a rough estimate. That's because every insurance company out there has negotiated different rates as to what they're going to pay and what the doctor will be allowed to charge you. It is the most convoluted, complicated billing system that man can ever create. That is an issue that needs to be addressed.
@@windmillacres679 I can understand why that would be frustrating. I myself am fairly competent in science across all disciplines, and I just wanted to understand why the numbers that they were telling me were significant because initially they just rattled off a bunch of numbers with no context and that was it. my question was “is this good for my health or bad for my health or do I need to change something?“ But that’s why I wanted to sit down and talk to my doctor because I wanted to make sure I was doing whatever I needed to do to stay healthy and up to that point I felt like I had simply been following their orders blindly and getting nothing back of value.
this has been round about my experience at most hospitals, and i lost my wife after years of fighting for help. At this point, they dont even try and everyone just trusts them.
I can’t imagine many of the good doctors and nurses want to live in Kentucky. Aside from the major hospitals it’s probably scrapings from the bottom of the barrel staffing them.
Note: shaking kids, especially babies, to wake them up is 3rd year med school as it requires special technique. If the unresponsive person is under 18, do not attempt to shake them awake without that special training.
As this post is potentially dangerous in case someone misunderstands it: Shaking babies is a criminal act because babies often die from it. There may be some rare exceptions for specially trained people in very special circumstances, but if you are not a professional who got training for this, it does not apply to you. Never shake a baby.
@@johaquila yes. In case anyone missed it, violently shaking anyone who is medically unresponsive to wake them up is probably not good practice. Shaking babies at all is dangerous and should not be done by anyone. (I’m not aware of any medical exception to that, but not a doctor or nurse to know.) Post was full sarcasm and satire, if any didn’t recognize.
This is medical gaslighting at its core. The same thing happened to me, where I went to the hospital because I had syncope after bleeding internally for about two days. They tested me for alcohol and drugs and then sent me home.
The worst part of this is that an ambulance ride from your workplace does not provide an indication of any urgency. This guy needs to be set for life because of this.
First of all; thank God the man didn't die! Incredible incompetence by the hospital staff, and I agree, the officers are also to blame. If they have to literally pick him up and put him in a car that should have told them the man was not competent to be arrested. Is that a thing, BTW? Sure seems like you'd have to have some awareness of what's happening to you to be arrested. As you said, pure genius (eyeroll) by the other hospital to diagnose heat stroke on a hot day. I worked for a water district at the end of my career and every year in late spring when it started to get hot the District would send emails to all employees of the symptoms of heat stroke. I live in the desert southwest. I would presume that LEO's would get the same sort of precautions for themselves and be able to generalize well enough to at least think 'medical incident' and refuse to arrest. Glad to hear the hospital fired the idiots involved. Now; how many zeros should we put on this check for you sir?
If someone is incapable they shouldn't be arrested, but taken into care by police. Typically the cops should call an ambulance but it seems like they simply took the word of the medical staff that he was ok and just being difficult. I'm sure Police deal with many people who are act up or are simply drunk/drug affected. Combine that with lack of training and the pressure to "just take care of things", inevitably leads tot these outcomes. Happens all over the world.
I think if someone is incoherent but subject to arrest, they usually take the suspect to the hospital and then to jail. Police should have called an ambulance for this man to take him to a hospital. Obviously a different one as this one would not treat him.
I had a similar incident when I had kidney stones - they treated me like I was an addict seeking drugs. NOT, I was in pain from kidney stones. After 45 minutes of being treated like crap, everything immediately changed! They finally reviewed my medical records and noted my visits to a urologist for kidney stones.... After treatment, they released me without any paperwork as they didn't want my ER visit noted. no bills, records, etc.
The police constantly screech about “community caretaker roles,” but only when it helps them. They should have driven him to a better hospital with intelligent staff instead of almost killing him in a cell.
The medical malpractice and the lawsuit that is coming is going to be legendary. There is so much evidence to the hospital's incompetence that I am shocked that the medical licensing board isn't going to have hearings as quickly as possible.
Not just that, this is a serious EMTALA violation. I think they should pin individuals in this particular case.
don't kid yourself nothing changes
This will be settled out of court because the evidence is so damning. They've fired a couple of people, the insurance will pay out, the hospital's working culture will not change.
@@ronmckay9037 exactly.
They terminated people, thus admitting that they know they were in the wrong. Otherwise they would not have done this, so this will mean the case will never go to court, but will be settled out of court along with a NDA signed. However look at the filings for next year and you will see that in there, somewhat hidden, but a big extra chunk of changes as "incidental" expenses on the profit loss sheet.
The really sick irony here is that if the police found someone in that condition, they would be expected to take him TO a hospital, not out of one.
The cops’ defense would be that since he was at an ER they must have known if he required medical attention. If the ER says he doesn’t require further treatment, the cops aren’t likely to question that.
@@DovidM they are if the guy is still acting or being like the man was. When police take you into custody they are now responsible for your well being. So if you arent acting like normal even under drug influence they have to take you to the hospital due to you die in their possession they are help responsible for that death. That's technically how they charged the two cops with that George guys death. He had handcuffs on him and they still let him die. Regardless if it was a drug over dose or their knees on his neck. They have a obligation to keep you alive at that point.
That's a great point. I didn't even think of that. To a hospital for medical clearance and then to the jail (if it's an arrest situation and not just a first aid one). These police probably just assumed that he was medically cleared already, coming from a hospital. I'm not going to let the police department off the hook totally but it's hard to imagine what they could have done in the moment, besides maybe just basically pretend to arrest him, reevaluate based on their first aid knowledge, and take him to a different hospital.
@@whatsanenigma
I'm not a cop, but if the patient is in an "altered state of consciousness," that in itself is generally considered an emergency.
The cops should have said "nope, guy needs medical transportation. He's not coherent. Kiss our butts."
@@grmpEqweer Great point, they could have called for medical transport. Because no way in hell was leaving him with those particular medical "professionals" the right thing to do. They probably would have just hidden him in a back room to let him die. A new perspective was needed for sure.
Everybody involved in his initial diagnosis, treatment, and arrest should be fired.
Out of a cannon into the sun.
Even *if* he had drugged himself into an unresponsive stupor, it is your responsibility as a hospital to keep him alive. As cops, when you see a guy in an unresponsive stupor, you take him TO the hospital, not away from it. Completely irresponsible.
true and hilarious
Qualified immunity. Nobody will be held accountable, except the tax payer.
The cops should’ve known better. The medical staff violated EMTALA as well as other ethical standards. As a paramedic who’s worked on an ambulance and in an ER, this is unforgivable, for EVERYONE involved, including jail staff for not sending him right back out to an ER.
Had a similar experience. Short story: My blood sugar was low and I looked like I was drugged out. A man waiting in the ER insisted they check my blood sugar. It was dangerously low. They hit me with 2 shots of glucagon and I got better. I never got the chance to thank that gentleman who was waiting in the lobby of the ER. For such an advanced country, we score very poorly in several categories in health and medicine.
I witnessed that many times over the years I was married. At first it can mimic intoxication. February next year will make 3 yrs since diabetes took her. She was in the er multiple times over the years. She didn't make it back home the last time.
@@allenbloomfield6196 I am truly sorry for your loss, and thanks for sharing your experience.
Most cops don't use common sense they are actually hired because they lack critical thinking abilities.
Sounds more like scoring low on common sense.
I have had hypoglycemia and its like you are really drunk or on drugs.
@@allenbloomfield6196 I am very sorry. You have my condolences and I send you a hug.
Imagine trying to discharge someone who's unresponsive...and these are medical professionals? Unbelievable.
I got heat stroke on a construction site back in my younger days and luckily for me we were working on an addition to a hospital and my supervisor took me to the ER. I found out later they kept trying to second guess him but he loudly exclaimed in his supervisor voice that he knew what the hell heat stroke was and he'd probably seen more cases in his career than any of those sobs in that hospital. I woke up sane and hydrated the following day.
Thank goodness you had some to advocate for you when you needed it.
A decent patient advocate can make a huge difference!
And then everyone stood up and clapped.
@@drdabsmore945 and not even a single person upvoted whatever your pitiful attempt at a reply was
As soon as I heard he was 27 I stopped being remotely surprised. Hospital staff routinely treat any man under 35 as a druggy regardless of their symptoms. Friend of mine almost died at 24 because the clerk didn't want to admit him, and it turned out he had an abscess from a bad wisdom tooth removal that was close to bursting.
I fell down a flight of stairs when I was 20 and all the female staff treated me like I was making it up and just looking for drugs when I went to the hospital. The only person who helped me was the single male nurse on staff.
When I was in my 50 I went to a dentist with a major tooth ace, but they would not help me or give me any medication. I spent over $2,000 to have my broken filling repaired. I took the receipt to them to show them the money that they lost. Yes, I am a White man.
When I was in my mid-20's I was struck by a car and taken to the hospital.
My visible injuries were mild, but I had a concussion so bad that I couldn't walk without assistance or easily understand the things said to me. Everyone in the building treated me like dirt. They assumed either that the accident was my fault, or that I was pretending to be hurt. Every time I asked them to repeat something because I didn't understand, they either refused or started speaking to someone nearby, ignoring me completely.
Very eye-opening for me, it changed my perspective of health professionals.
Whether or not the accident was your fault should (obviously) have no bearing on your medical treatment.
@@davidh9638
"Whether or not the accident was your fault should (obviously) have no bearing on your medical treatment."
Exactly.
If you treat a patient poorly because of your personal opinion you need to be fired or quit immediately.
I'm sorry to say none of your stories surprise me. I was treated horribly when I was 19 because my mother was not with me. I was so embarrassed and the male doctor humiliated me with his attitude. I have EMT training, and what Mr Lehto is describing is true. I knew better than to treat a person like that.
“He won’t wake up but he’s clearly healthy enough for jail.”
I wonder how much damage was done to his health because of the negligence of both the hospital and police.
I'm surprised he didn't die.
@@karenlobosco9646 If he had died, they would have marked him as yet another overdose
@@wessltovIf he had died there would have been an autopsy and the hospital staff that called the police on the patient would be facing prison time for negligent homicide.
@@borgranta61103 Not true, they could simply offer law enforcement some civil asset forfeiture bribes.
My sister, God rest her soul, had all her teeth knocked out by an abusive husband. She was a tall but thin woman. Every time she went to the doctors or anywhere really, they would treat her like a druggy. The pharmacy would call her up at random times and make her bring any pills she had so they can count them (she took antidepressant to cope with the trauma). She had a chronically ill son, and they made her bring his meds in too. One doctor flat out refused to see her. I think judging people by their looks happens more than you'd think in professional settings :(
This reminds me of a case in Los Angeles several years ago. Guy showed up at a local ER with stomach pain. Hospital tried to ignore him. Tried to kick him out, even after he vomited blood on the floor. His family tried to call 911 to get him medical help, but they said he's already at a hospital, too bad. Family had to take him elsewhere themselves. I think he wound up dying. The hospital got shut down because of stuff like this.
Hospitals want paying sick people. There's a video on YT of a hospital calling the police to remove a patient they had discharged but had no place to go and no way to get there if she did. Police were no kinder to her than the medical "professionals." She died, I believe while still on hospital property. Heartless people who have taken oaths to help, save, and care. But don't do any one of the 3.
That’s a problem with this (latest) war on drugs it’s turned cops into medical professionals and medical professionals into cops😐
But was the war won? By who?
@@billh.1940 It seems like the drug cartels won. Also, Federal agencies were given a lot of power, without much oversight, which is a win for bureaucracy, corruption, and a government jobs program.
Portugal has made all drugs legal and you can get a fix from the drugstore. The result there is little to no drug problem as there is no black market profit and the lowest drug rate in the EU.
@@billh.1940 The 34th rule of acquisition. "War is good for business" Not to be confused with rule 34 as that's something entirely different.
The goal isn't to win the war, its to keep it going for as long as possible as its insanely profitable.
@@billh.1940 Drugs won
He overdosed on heat, the world's most common street drug.
I worked with a guy that was beaten by the police because they thought he od'd, but was having a seizure. So the cops thought that someone that was unresponsive and in an obvious medical crisis needed to be kicked in the head while the ambulance was on its way. So it just makes one ask, what mwdical school did they learn that from? The school of hard knocks?
One way to look at it. Unfortunately Narcan isn't effective against that kind of overdose.
@@mhfuzzball it doesn't work on cocaine either, it's just a safe drug to give ppl to see if it makes things better with little risk.
Bullies gotta bully.
Kicking isn't going to make an overdose stop, either.
I know that technique. They learned it at the Fascism Dojo.
First time I've ever heard of a man committing a crime while unconscious.
Years ago, I had a friend in high school that one day, a couple school staff members and the school resource officer accused him of being drunk and was arrested and taken to the local detention center. When the parents were called by the police, NOT the school, the parents quickly recognized the situation and told the police that their son was a diabetic and to look at his medical alert bracelet on his wrist. The cops then called for medical staff from the detention center. They in turn called EMS. What fricking idiots!! If the idiot school staff members and SRO had just looked and even taken him to the health room in the first place, he would have been properly treated. The SRO was transferred to who knows where and not sure what happened to the school staff. Yes there was a few lawsuits filed.
Terminated the employees.....who then went to work at another hospital...or became police officers.
Most hospitals in the US are owned by finance type companies (hedge fund , investment, etc.). The hospital chain where I live in NJ has a CEO who has no medical training. He is a finance person. We no longer have a health care system in the US. We have a financial system that provides health care. This is the predictable result. I have been an EMT for decades and I have never seen hospital care as bad as it is now.
True.
Combined with when the Rockefeller’s took over medical training
A good head knows how to manage people or $$. You only think they have to be versed for what the staff does. If any medical decision needed the head guy's input/guidance/etc, ignore what I just said. Oh, big corporations equate to profit motives IMO.
The Catholic Church has been buying up a lot of hospitals too.
No medical training. Sounds like the head of the WHO.
Healthcare in the United States was never this bad until Obamacare was passed. Put the blame where blame is due.
His coworkers called emergency services on his behalf from the the workplace. He wasn't found unconscious on skid row. If a medical professional can't take context into account when diagnosing, they don't need to be working in medicine. What I learned in my 22 yrs of military service is that things like this usually happen because of poor leadership resulting in a toxic organizational culture. Firing people isn't enough-they need a complete evaluation of this organization and possibly a change in leadership if they want to change the culture and rebuild trust.
Twister never happen management is all about money and making plenty of it. That’s why they dismiss patients the same day . Keep the beds fill Ed to charge the insurance co.
A huge issue in today's world is firing anyone for cause without having 20 hoops to jump through with half of them on fire or moving. In the military it was very tough in every chain of command I was in to get a dirt bag sent packing.
Heat injuries are always avoidable. I have raised so much hell about that and I guess it's why I only make 16 an hour
I can almost guarantee you that they saw his unit and general military TATOOS and decided they were not going to have anything to do with him.
Would you suggest firing the entire hospital and rehiring from the bottom up?
The co-workers who called the ambulance said he had heat stroke. I know someone who is diabetic, had a hypoglycemic episode, was arrested for being intoxicated, told the cops he was diabetic, and passed out in the cell. An EMT heard cops laughing about it, demanded to see the man, and treated him. Listen to the patient.
I don’t think they would be laughing if it was one of their family members. Why is everybody so inhumane.
@@eilenekellogg9356 cops see and interact with no good liars and thief's all day after a while they just assume that everyone is a lying drug addict they see drug addicts have medical emergencies often and over time they stop caring they don't care if they live or they die they think it's their fault and eventually they think everyone is a drug addict and every medical emergency is an overdose by a no good waste of space not worth saving or feeling sorry for it's a well known issue in policing there is some departments that mandate sensitivity training to combat this but few do it even less take it seriously they end up becoming cold hearted and cynical I have 4 police officers in my family 2 of them are downright sadistic and abusive 1 is cynical and 1 is depressed
This was a few years ago, my aunt was a diabetic. I'm still now really sure how this happened as she took good care of herself and was a nurse. One night things went wrong and she has no memory of it but was awoken by cops as her car was stopped in a ditch.
I'm so glad that the officer realized it was a medical situation, It scares me thinking about how bad that could've turned out.
@@lunaticbz3594 Driving while impaired is no joke. She could have killed a car full of innocent children as well as herself.
@@deconteesawyer5758 Well, that thing about the human body, one moment you're fine, the next you could be having a stroke. You don't get to pick and choose when you have a medical emergency.
The cop(s) are just as culpable as the medicos.
That happened to me years ago. I was taken to the ER by ambulance. Then was grilled for hours about what drugs I was on. Staff refused to believe me or not treat me like shit. I don't to drugs and didn't take ots pain pills either. They called me later to inform me that I had a thyroid condition and my hormones was going nuts. I never once got an apology even after pointing out how shit their serve and conduct was.
I am a retired RN and have worked in an ER. Any ER doctor should have immediately ordered a drug panel as well as other tests! Thank goodness they fired these employees and their professional licenses should be in jeopardy!
Standard practice but as you know it is dependent on the verbage that the triage nurse communicate to the MD; I too retired after 26 years of practice, the quality of RNs nowadays are highly questionable.
we need people like u back, this new generation is done
@@tdgdbs1 How do you know it was an MD? It could have been a nurse practitioner or a physicians assistant. The MD, depending on the ER, isn't necessarily going to examine the patient if one of those two saw him.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they were lying about "firing people", it's just a PR statement
Many year ago my daughter was with my husband at the local pub. He had less than half a glass of beer when his eyes rolled back in his head and he passed out. Seizure. Ambulance was called and he was taken to the hospital. While in the hospital he had a stroke. Not his first.
The nurse, an older woman who was there, recognized the stroke right away.
But the young intern said there was nothing wrong with my husband other than being drunk. My daughter tried to say hebwas not drunk and the nurse also insisted it was a stroke.
Thankfully, even though it was late at night, the nurse phoned my husband's specialist. A brain scan confirmed the stroke.
In my 30-year career in medicine I saw far more nurses save lives than doctors. I got so sick of the doctors getting all the credit for the treatments that the nurses did.
Medical malpractice is just as bad as gun violence
A very similar thing happened to my 19 year old cousin, who had moved far away for college. She was at a college party when it happened. No one at the hospital believed her friends when they said my cousin had only half a cider and was now incoherent. They discharged her twice without any tests. On the third visit to the emergency room, nearly 24 hours after the initial incident, her father had made the 8 hour drive out and raised hell, and at that point, she needed to be air lifted to another hospital for more specialty care, because she now had a brain bleed. She could have ended up a vegetable, and I feel blessed to even get to speak to her any more. Her college friends who kept dragging her back to the ER despite all the so called professionals demanding they give up are absolute heroes in my book. Cousin now has a major seizure disorder, but is lucky that that's all. Your husband was lucky anyone at the hospital believed him/
Was the nurse fired for contradicting the doctor?
The police cannot legally force the hospital to treat the man; however, they can certainly take him to another medical facility instead of to jail. This could easily have caused irreversible brain damage, organ damage, or death. Even if he was high on drugs as the staff claimed, it is malpractice to inject chemicals into his bloodstream and then kick him to the curb while he is obviously unwell.
An old neighbor of mine almost d1ed from heat stroke in Vietnam. Ended up permanently screwing his body's heat regulation. He could not tolerate any amount of heat (over about 75 degrees) or right back into heat stroke. He used to mow his lawn after dark in Summer- thank goodness for tolerant, understanding neighbors and no HOA. I did the lawn for him a couple of times during heat waves when it was still beastly hot at night.
Actually the hospital has a legal obligation to treat him. Because they claimed they treated him and he was discharged means they are responsible for his condition.
I mean, I can't really fault the police though, they got their medical clearance, and the hospital is supposed to be the expert in this situation. I can't really fault them (the police) for deferring to their (the hospital staff's) judgement, since realistically it's not really their call. I'm surprised though that they got the guy back to jail for 12 hours and never thought to double check (I get the initial reliance on the hospital, but after a bit of interaction at the jail they probably should've double checked, though again, I get the reliance on the medical clearance from the initial hospital)
That being said, holy crap did the hospital s**t the bed here.
Happenned to me, April 2014... handicapped since that very day. Canadian system has tons of perks over US but people remain humanly inconsiderate pricks most calendar days
Even if they thought the hospital knew better than them at the time so took him, at no time in that 12 hours nobody was like "he still isn't responding, maybe we should get a second opinion". He had to be rushed to the second hospital so the poor man was still in pretty bad shape. I can't imagine going to the hospital passing out and waking up in another hospital only to find out you sat in jail for hours without anyone helping you.
I went to my PCP 4 years ago because I was having episodes of gasping for air, but still feeling like I was suffocating. They just popped up randomly, lasted for 1-2 minutes, then vanished.
He literally laughed at me and said "you quit smoking last month, and you're worried about a little shortness of breath?" So I blew it off myself.
A year later, I'm sitting in the ICU with advanced heart failure, being told I might not make it out of the hospital. I was told I might need a heart transplant, which I refused. Thankfully, after a few surgeries and medicine that costs enough monthly to give me another heart attack, I'm still kicking.
All that to say I don't think my original doctor had it out for me, or intentionally gave me bad care. But I've also learned that dangerously incompetent medical professionals exist - and being young (I was 26 when all this started) seems to make you a target for poor care.
So what if he was a drug addict
Stil wouldn’t justify dismissing his medical distress
Would be nice to know full name of hospital, full name of its director, full names of the attending staff that neglected to provide full medical assistance
These “professionals” should be stripped of their licenses for life
Do a bit of research.
@@cypeman8037 What a useless and lazy response.
Patrick Hollon - Frankfort Regional Horsepiddle
Frankfort Regional Medical Center - HCA. A For Profit hospital …
well that would imply they are responsible. We pay them and be grateful for their godlike care.
As a nurse of 38 years the last 15-16 in the ED this makes me sick. What the hell is wrong with these people. Even if he had been on drugs and responded to Narcan that should have bought him at least 12 hours in the ED because Narcan wears off faster than drugs usually do. So if you are on drugs and you become incoherent and basically making random motions again you get more Narcan and repeat as needed. Also urine drug screens don't take that long.
Also the reason for Narcan and continued watching - so the patient doesn't go so comatose he needs to be intubated.
So were the police supposed to intubate if the patient stops breathing? Were they even watching him?
And of course this poor man wasn't even a drug patient. It doesn't sound like they did anything for him except make assumptions that could have cost him his life.
Agree!
This entire situation is insanity. I am stuck on the fact this man had to be intubated when he was brought to the second facility. Presumably he spent a few hours at the original facility and then another 12 hours in lockup. The poor man must have decomponsated further during those hours. No one at the jail could recognize that their prisoner was in distress? Jesus, the man is lucky to have come out of this without damage to his brain, heart or kidneys.
Their best diagnostician is a junkie that has his staff of 4-6 work all week to run every expensive test they have, as well as raid the patient's home before getting an answer.
It's truly unbelieve that even if they went down the diagnostic pathway of opiod overdose when the initial complaint was heat related and confused, you'd think the first test you'd do is check glucose and take a temperature. And that nobody insisted to rule out heat related illness in a 27 year old that was involved in his care? The failures of everyone involved is truly mind-blowing.
Its Kentucky and they think everything is drugs .I had heat stroke in Ohio and the police tried to arrest me saying I was high on drugs but the emt fought for my safety.
As a hospital security guard, I've never been asked to trespass an unconscious person...
Hmmm interesting did he resist lol
hospital cafeteria worker here. If I witnessed somebody fall over. First try to catch them, check a pulse. if no palse yell out somebody declare a code and start chest compressions. If they have a palse then try to get someone with more medical training. I hope the board takes away the licenses from those that refused care.
Hippa doesn’t apply here…
@@JeremiahDouglas courts have ruled going limp is resisting.
@@GrantCelley they will be fine. It's just practice after all. They have golf games to play.
Unless you're in the ER for something minor, try NEVER to go to the hospital without someone to go to bat for you! ESPECIALLY If you are not totally coherent!
If it's your relative or friend on the way to the ER, get there fast!
1. As a healthcare worker (Fire/EMS and RN) the actions by the medical staff is sickening. Wtf. They should all be brought up to their respective boards for review and also given any criminal charges that apply in that state.
2. While the police are not medical workers, they do have the ability to call for medical help. Once that guy was in their cruiser or at the jail the could have called EMS for an evaluation. Instead they let him sit in that jail cell.
3. Hospitals actively discourage nurses and docs from filing police reports against patients who attack us. I’m shocked they allowed them to be called, and of all times when it’s the least necessary.
Provided the man’s statements are true, it’s absolutely despicable how this man was treated by everyone involved. I hope he gets an enormous payout and those who were deliberately negligent face professional and criminal charges.
My daughter had an adverse reaction to one of her seizure meds. She was unresponsive and her heart rate, at rest, was 138 bpm. We called an ambulance and got her to the ER. Some ER doctors are amazingly incompetent. They ran a blood test. It came back normal. She still was unresponsive and heart rate still in the 130s. The ER doctor came in, said everything looked normal, and he was discharging her. I told him to actually look at her. She is unresponsive and her heart rate is indicating there are some significant issues. Within 2 hours, she was in ICU and stayed there for 2 weeks. She was in a normal room for 4 more weeks. She had to be weened off all seizure meds and slowly have them reintroduced to determine which was the culprit. It was two meds that do not mix well, something that is published now but was not known or documented at that time. She made a full recovery but it was a very scary situation. Makes you wonder how many he sent home and their condition got worse.
There is A grade doctor and their are some that barely pass D grade doctor. Make sure u get the A doctor because the D ones are no better than any stranger off the streets.
A guy I worked with felt bad & went to the ER, they checked him out & sent him home so he could have a heart attack & die alone. He had health insurance, but what good was it?
@@sv2697 how does a patient know beforehand and how is a patient able to know what grade the doctor is they're going to be seen or treated by? I usually get sent to another doctor by a doctor and I have no way of knowing the doctors competency level before I ever meet him or her.
@@my83roadster4me u don't, it's call "trust but verify". That is get a second opinion. I had a doctor prescribe me some medication that made me hella sick, only for him to call later after the lab results to not take them. Between me and my wife visiting enough clinic, specialty doctors, etc I learn that some doctors are great and some are no better than WebMD. The key is to avoid the Dr. Nick (Simpson) or Dr. Oz, especially if ur getting an operation. A Dr. Nick operated on one of my ex co-worker and the guy's back was fk up ever since. He couldn't go to work for years so he had to be let go, it end up costing him his job.
My brother was in the hospital for something unrelated. They put him in detox, because in previous times he was in detox. The cops showed up to the hospital, ripped out his iv and arrested him, and took him to a jail cell. He passes out in the jail cell and they took him back to the hospital. Yes my brother in the past did take drugs but at that time he wasn't on drugs. Some drugs do take time to test, but as a former nurse I would never treat a patient like this. This is absolutely disgusting, and I hope he sues them for everything they got. This is more common than you think. I have argued with police officers in the past as a nurse because of them coming into the hospital and mistreating patients. I had to threaten with calling their CO and telling the police that if they take this person, they will endanger the person. Sometimes they still refuse and I have to get a doctor to tell them to leave the premises. It happens. It happens often. My brother was also entubated after he passed out in a jail cell. For three days. I no longer trust police officers. My brother was murdered last year in August and the police would harass me and follow me around. I had to break into all my brothers accounts to find out where my brother was and what he was doing myself and tell the police where to go and look into; because of this they thought I was involved. The police DO NOT CARE. My brother will never get justice, my brother will never have his killers found. Who's fault is it here? Was it because I didn't try, or because the cops didn't do their job. Instead of looking for who did this to my brother, they sent people to follow me around and harass me. They would call me harassing me every day telling me that they know "I'm involved, and they will find proof." They would send undercover officers to the cemetary to record me while I was at my brothers grave crying. I had to record them doing this and threaten media before they left me alone. I got tired of it. It why I did not pursue it anymore. At least on the internet my brothers and my story can be heard.
sounds real... for a youtube comment
@mike n Go bait someone else you freak. I have no reason to lie about this. My sibling is dead. I hope you never have to experience the crap that is our health care system, because I wouldn't wish that bs on my worst enemy.
@@TomoyoTatar No, you're lying.
How did the cops know that your brother was in the hospital. They had to have an arrest warrant to get him out.
Please, a warrant is just a technicality that is to be avoided whenever possible and the requirement to have one ignored.
I hope he sues and gets millions.
Yeah, this is disgusting.
Lawyers will, him probably under a million. And a NDA as well.
Worked 12 years of my 25-year Nursing career as the Director Of Medical Services at a Regional Jail and one of our state prisons in WV. I don't even know where to start when listing the mistakes and crimes by these "Medical professionals"...Medical malpractice, medical neglect, violations of numerous state protocols and facility protocols, possible abuse, multiple standards of practice/care violations, probable civil rights violations, and possible falsification of medical records. Sounds like many of the medical staff members should've been taken to jail instead of the patient.
My wife took me to the ER a few years ago, don't remember what was wrong. I found it impossible to stay conscious while being asked questions, and they ignored what my wife was telling them. I think it may have been when I'd managed to destroy the plate and screws in my ankle. At any rate, the idiot doctor wanted to just send me away...but if I had left, I almost certainly would have died--I had a massive infection. Not the only time an ER doctor treated me wrongly, either. This sort of thing happens far too often, and some of the time, people die. This really needs to stop.
Doctors and nurses seem to immediately assume that young people can't be having real medical problems. I had my first kidney stone at 22 years old and had to visit 3 hospitals to get an x-ray. I'm 43 years old now and walked into a hospital saying I'm having a heart attack. The registration nurse said you don't look like you are having a heart attack and wanted to send me home. I refused and said I want a doctor to make that determination, so I sat in the waiting room where I researched what the hospital should be doing. After waiting 45 minutes a young woman, who was making a lot of noise with a twisted ankle from playing basketball was admitted. I then complained that I needed a 12-point lead echocardiogram and a blood test for troponin levels. The registration nurse said, "Is that what Doctor Google recommends?" I was given an ECG which showed no heart attack in progress at the time (N-STEMI heart attack), but I was admitted and blood tests showed troponin levels above 6,000. A couple days later I had an angiogram and then a triple coronary artery bypass. The only reason I'm alive is due to chewing a couple aspirins before going to the hospital. Edit: I have complained to the hospital and I was told the Emergency Room Manager would call me, but I still haven't received a call. I'll be raising how I was treated again with my cardiologist at my next appointment. I appreciate everyone's comments.
never trust them, ever!
most of them have no real idea what they are doing.
medical failure is the number one cause of death...
Hope you spoke to the nurse afterwards,and her supervisor, then maybe attorney
Oh my, oh my - - that the nurse actually said ‘is that what Dr. Google recommends’‼️⁉️ What an A-hole!!! If I had overheard any of the hospital staff, say that - - I would have reported it immediately. Sadly over my 30+ year nursing career, I noticed that those who display blatant symptoms of a disease or injury - - usually get care faster, then those who don’t ‘look’ that bad.
Yep doctors are garbage a lot of times especially if you 'look good'. People think way too highly of the profession. Hopefully you found some good doctors now.
Doctor Google is our best friend and about 100x more intelligent than any doctor.
I've diagnosed myself properly 100 times out of 100, far more than the actual doctors at the hospital have. Whenever I get a diagnosis I disagree with and is frankly beyond retarded, I immediately find another fucking doctor.
I had a blood clot 2 years ago in my leg, I couldn't walk on one side for almost a week. I told doc I'm a marathon runner might have something to do with it, even after the X-Ray he misdiagnoses me with a Calf-Tear because he's too stupid or lazy to properly look at the XRay. It definitely isn't a Calf-Tear, and I refuse to leave until I get the fucking X-Ray scan for myself so I can take it to a second opinion. Asshole doctor is arguing with me, go to the ER a couple hours later and sure enough it's a clear as day Blood Clot.
Just because schools are afraid to fail idiots doesn't mean they aren't still idiots. Plenty of baffoons working in the medical industry, don't trust any of them.
I feel like this should rise to the level of criminal negligence.
They legitimately can test him, for drugs, for diagnosis.
Dr. Who discharged him should lose medical license
wtf? They'd send a rotting corpse to jail if given the chance!
This is a major EMTALA violation and can earn everyone involved could get a $50,000 fine. I've been a RN in a level 2 trauma center. This is beyond shocking.
I remember a story where a diabetic pulled over to the side of the road because of low blood sugar. Cop came and accused him of DUI. Man told him it was low blood sugar. Thrown to the ground and arrested anyway. Could have killed him.
Another friend was in a motorcycle accident landing in a ditch with a head injury. Was incoherent with the cops so they threw him in handcuffs and into the backseat of the cruiser. EMT demanded to see him thank god. Taken to hospital. Head trauma so bad he had relearn how walk and talk.
Heat stroke is no joke. Two summers ago I suffered through it. My wife rushed me to the E.R. as my body was starting to go into shock and as I was blacking out. Turned out I was also extremly dehyrated and so low on pottasium that my heart was begining to stop. Luckily the nurses and doctor that night were very professional and caring. Got me sevetal I.V.'s and did blood work immediatly. At some other hospistals they just don't care about people and in their arrogance jump to conclusions.
The doctors in the ER, they completely ignored the background story, he was at work! His coworkers suspected heat exhaustion, why would you suddenly suspect anything other? And a blood test will show any illegal substance once anyone is in that bad of shape. It may be hard to tell immediately after consumption of drugs, but once someone is unconscious, you bet it’s in their blood.
I suspect this is a case of prejudice. For what ever reason, skin color, the way he was dressed? The way he wore his hair? Suspected he voted for the wrong guy? For whatever reason the doctor didn’t care if he died.
There is also a saying, "first, do no harm".
This probably happens more often than one would think. I vaguely recall a story of a man who I believe and was driving cross country had to stop in a hospital because he did not have some needed medication. They immediately treated him as a drug addict.
Untreated heat stroke can cause permanent brain damage or kill.
Boy, this hits so close to home. Just because you can't diagnose something, doesn't mean there is not actually a problem.
It's not that they can't diagnose it, it's that they don't want to.
Well, the medical community is way ahead of you. They use the term "Idiopathic". They think it makes them sound smart about something they do not know.
as someone harmed for life because of dumb small town good ole boy doctors and a single mom having it all, I agree. They never even tried to diagnose my symptoms. Kept giving me treatments that didnt work.
It doesn't say but it sounds like they didn't even do basic vital signs checks. Dizziness, elevated temp., with dry skin, (Body's cooling system not working, not sweating), on a HOT day in a HOT factory, should have been an indicator for heat stroke, (Which is what he was brought in for), if even a first year med student checked.
@@leo.girardi it means you are an idiot if you accept that diagnosis 😂😂!
Worked in a plastic factory for about 5 years in New Jersey. When your around those machines when it's that hot out temperature in the factory by these machines can get up to 145 degrees. Hospitals should know something about this. Hope he gets a good lawyer.
I occasionally buy something from a specialized plastic factory, usually in the summer time. I don't understand how people work in those conditions. Its loud, it smells bad, always hot, etc.
That's absolutely the truth. I've been there and done that its hot hot hot and slinky.
My mom is a doctor. I'll forward this video to her but I remember her telling me that there are physical signs of heat stroke which include slurred speech and high fever. They should have took his temperature and blood pressure which is standard procedure in an emergency room for any patient. That would have told them everything they needed to know.
Those people should loose their license 🙄 *Every one of them.
UPMC sent my mom home two times, once in afternoon then evening when complaining her arm was broken.
I demanded they admit her but they refused and told me "it wasn't a dumping ground"
At 230 am I called ambulance and they took her to different hospital and she was put in ICU for septic shock.
She died from her injuries.
I couldn't sue attorney said because she was old
I have hate in my heart for UPMC
Every person that took part in that disastrous display of patient care and his arrest....should all be in jail themselves.
As a physician I have to agree with you and the doctor responsible for the discharge needs to be held accountable. This is clearly medical malpractice and is inexcusable
While i'm no fan of the cops i really don't think they are liable here, as shitty as their actions were they can only assume the medical professionals are telling the truth so if they say he's on drugs and it's safe to take him away the cops don't any ground to argue that. So as long as they did do stupid shit like rough him up for being out of it they will be in the clear
@@shaynegadsden I think the majority of the blame can placed on the attending physician, he or she is responsible for the discharge eval. I think the cops need to take ownership if a patient is non responsive they have the administrative authority to demand that the hospital treat the patient or transport the person to another facility. I think we are dealing with low IQ people from the doctor to the cops.
Along with their supervisors.
@@silentvoiceinthedark5665 That is outside of the cops scope of practice.
I went through something similar as a teen... I remember a blinding light hitting me square in the eyes while riding a streetcar in the summer, then a few minutes later I started to lose my ability to read, then gradually started to lose my ability to speak, then my vision started to fritz out completely - it scared the living hell out of me. I managed to get to the local hospital, where - obviously, because why not - they treated me as a drug OD, taking numerous vials of blood from me over a period of hours, all angry that I was wasting their time: "This wouldn't have happened if you weren't on whatever you're on!" By that time, I was quite incoherent, but I remember trying to explain (babbling) that I'd never taken any drugs in my life. Eventually, my powers of speech and reading returned (the vision having returned shortly after I got there, stumbling, almost crawling up the street from the transit stop), and they released me to my family - said it was an anxiety attack (lol). It wasn't until it happened again a few more times that I got a better diagnosis: migraines. After hearing this story, I sure am glad they didn't call the police in; it was bad enough trying to explain this to my parents as is, but at least there were no drugs found (as if there would have been).
Several years ago in Louisville, a young construction worker with heat stroke was taken to a Hospital’s clinic by his crew. The clinic's staff said they weren’t equipped to handle something like that and allowed the man to die lying in the shade on the grass by the clinic. A McDonald's could have done more for him. If that clinic was taken to task over that incident, I never heard about it.
That’s just ludicrous.!
They didn't have saline? Every clinic like everywhere has saline.
...Not equipped to handle heatstroke? COLD WATER can be used to treat it!
I'm sorry, but I have to believe there is more to the story than just that. In 1986 they passed a law called the emergency medical treatment and Labor Act. If you get within a couple of hundred feet of a hospital they have to see you. No matter what. Failure to do so can literally shut the hospital down and it leaves them subject to fines that can run easily into the millions of dollars.
I have had doctors who have seen patients for mosquito bites. We're talking one mosquito bite that you could no longer even see. But everyone gets seen.
@@windmillacres679 I was able to Google-up that story in the Louisville newspaper. It happened in 2011, and one of the people with the young man was his stepfather. The hospital group is trying to put a spin on this and deny they did anything wrong. He eventually was taken to a hospital but he was effectively dead by then. I saw nothing about litigation or criminal charges.
To your comment about people in ER/hospital/medical facilities that look unwell... You are correct. Some people may look unwell, and be unwell. Others may look unwell, but are actually fine (they just look terrible all the time), and last, you may have some people who present are "perfectly fine" but are really unwell.
I was a perfect example of the last, twenty five years ago. I had some mild discomfort in my chest. As a matter of fact, I worked for half a day, carrying computers and large monitors (the old CRT/tube type) up and down stairs, as we swapped out computers. My wife knew that if I was willing to admit some pain/discomfort, that it probably was fairly bad, so she insisted that we go to the local urgent care. Once there, the staff got rather excited and took me to the ER. At that point, I still didn't know why or what was "wrong" with me, and thought I would be released to go home soon. Boy was I wrong. Once in the ER, they told my wife that I had a spontaneous pneumothorax (hole in the lung, which had caused a full collapse). She told me, and then as the various ER nurses came and went, several mentioned not hearing the ambulance. Me, still not grasping the enormity of my condition, finally said to one "If you need this room for someone coming in an ambulance, I can wait in the hall or waiting room." - The nurse pretty much went off on me at that point and was telling me how terrible I should feel and look because of my condition, and that most people who have this are brought in by ambulance, not walk in, and they can't walk, can't talk, and are in the fetal position. This of course frustrated me, that she was telling me that I should be "bad" and shouldn't be acting "normal", so my wild streak kicking in a bit and I told her I felt great, so much so that I could dance... did she want to dance?" - My wife (knowing that I don't dance), scolded me to stop tormenting the nurse. I replied, with the nurse still in the room, that maybe the nurse should stop telling me how bad I should look and feel, and be happy that I am good enough to help them, rather than making their job more difficult.
Shortly after, the doctor arrived, explained my condition, how he was going to fix it, and then put me out to start the procedure. I spent a week in the hospital. Glad they didn't kick me out/have me arrested because I "looked fine."
I hope he wins so much money that he shuts that Hospital down. It would be a service to the community and save Lives!
As someone who has been in the job in Florida for 25 years these stories always shock me. The jail we use would not take that person and would have refused them. I know if a person can’t get up or respond they should not be going to jail. These kind of things make all of us on the job look bad. Also most don’t know that if narcan does not bring you to an awake status then drugs are not the main problem. I hope the man didn’t suffer permanent brain damage of any kind as a result. Thanks again Steve. As a police officer and constitutionalist I appreciate all of your videos.
Whoever said that the narcan worked was so full of shit.
Naloxone is only for opioids though isn't it? There are plenty of other things people get messed up on these days granted opioids are the most common. Especially now how they give pills out like candy to treat everything these days.
Imagine if he was arrested at the hospital, the jail says they can't take him, and they have to take him back to the hospital anyway.
I have also worked in correction system (state prisons) nursing. If we received an patient (inmate) in this condition - we would have requested a call for an EMS response to the facility and provided supportive care and at least BLS level treatment. Nothing was indicated about nursing staff at the jail (many do have a nurse). I suppose small jails might not have nursing or medical staff. But, this also should not have been permitted to continue at the jail. There was tremendous break-down in safeguards across the board with this man. This, is so bad - it almost defies belief - but, I have no real doubt as to the veracity of the claims. It seems like a bad game of follow the most incompetent and indifferent leader; it seems nobody further critical assessment of this man occurred; it's much like everyone just believed an incorrect report about this man and did nothing further. Even if the drug report was correct - I've given Narcan before - had the patient recover and then go back down and quit breathing. It is not appropriate to care for this type of patient without monitoring in a hospital. Hell, we have even had to start Narcan drips in more severe cases. This, should not have occurred.
@@chlorophil545 Or more likely, they just dump him into a street somewhere.
Nurse from Detroit here. A urine drug screen (UDS) is incredibly common in ERs and certainly would've been a quick, easy way to confirm whether or not he was on drugs. Blood tests are less commonly used in hospital settings but are still just as available and result quickly. Believe it or not, there are bad doctors, nurses, etc just like any other profession. Sounds like they failed this patient.
This is an EMTALA violation. The hospital should have CMS crawling up their butts.
Also, I am in the industry 😅🤣😅 the drug test is 5 to 10 minutes for the 12 most common narcotics.
@chuck 8094 well, I run them all the time in the lab, so I dont need to buy one. The doctor just needs to order one.
As a trauma nurse this is sickening, I’m ashamed of people like this in my profession. I’ve been seeing two problems in law enforcement and emergency services, there is an assumption that everyone is drunk or on drugs so that is their starting point. Too many people having diabetic shock are beaten by police thinking they are drunk. Secondly, there is a lack of empathy now days. A heat stroke is a medical emergency and can kill you, any competent nurse/doctor can diagnose it in 60 seconds.
Just imagine the incompetence and abuse that the children, elderly, handicapped, and comatose patients will receive here.
Heat stroke that causes cns depression is a very serious, potentially fatal condition. I learned that when I got my First Aid badge in the Scouts when I was a kid. I was twelve.
I broke my neck! In the emergency room the doctor would not even touch my neck. It took more than a week to find a doctor that would order an x-ray. Within an hour I was in a jet health flight to Phoenix, AZ for emergency operation. The hospital only cared not to lose a law suit. It was abundantly clear the doctor thought I just was trying to get drugs! Another example of the abuses because of the war on drugs!
I'm always worried I'm gonna be accused of being a druggie by going to the doctor if I'm in pain. I have adverse reactions to several pain medications and will list them during intake. And I list ones I know I can take where i have no reaction. One is more powerful than morphine, but I dont have reactions to it (morphine is one i have a reaction to).
@@benjie128 if you know drug names you MUST be an addict. They have been 100% indoctrinated be the evil people in the DEA. If a doctor doesn't play by their rules the DEA takes their license that cost them hundreds of thousands to get. The only ones who will do pain meds are the most heartless selfish doctors alive.
@@benjie128 my doctor was about to go to cavity searches and lie detector test when I finally had enough. I was not going to live in pain either when I found out about Kraton a tree leaf that does as good a job as the drugs and I don't have to get on my knees and service the doctors any longer. Check it out. Look up a movie on youtube called "leaf of faith"
They think everyone in pain is a druggie!!🤬🤬🤬
@@wallychambe1587 I have horror stories! They literally have you by the dangling bits play their game of live in pain, and some take full advantage of that power. I had a couple doctors that we're good people but they quiet because of the pressure from DEA till they couldn't do their job.
I once dated a doctor who had genuine concern about my nice demeanor because nice people (apparently) have worse outcomes in hospitals versus people who resort to being jerks to ensure treatment. Now I am beginning to see why. Of course, I’m not quite sure how one could be a jerk while unconscious.
It’s all about corporate greed nowadays. Apparently I owed my doctor $600(I have no idea how as I always pay for appointments in cash) and he refused to see me and even went to get security to have me removed when I insisted that I always pay cash when I come in. 🤷🏼♂️
In Feb. 2020 I had major surgery for cancer. 64 at the time. A few months later I was having complications and my doctor told me to go to the ER, since he had ordered a CT scan and blood work. After the tests were done and the nurse was taking the last vitals before discharge, I informed the nurse I wasn't feeling right. She asked what I meant, and I said I was dizzy and shaky. That was the last thing I remembered until I regained consciousness, to find a nurse on either side of me squeezing IV bags connected to each arm and another injecting medication, saying my name and, "Don't you code on me!" Later, before being admitted the nurse related to me that the ER doctor thought I was only there to get pain meds and not to give me any.
There are some STRANGE goings on at HCA Frankfort Regional Medical Center lately. 2 years ago, I was in the ER with a broken foot, no narcotics were given, but they insisted I have a driver to be released. 2 months ago, I was in there with excruciating LLQ pain, they treated me correctly, but released me on my own even though I told them I was “loopy” from the morphine. I was definitely in NO shape to be driving! Yep, I complained!
I recalled a news story where a man with a fever was released from hospital and was found at the side of the road still having that fever. I was speechless.
My mom went to the hospital with extremely high blood pressure and they wouldn't treat it. They accused her of causing high blood pressure by checking her blood pressure. Her doctor had told her that if it ever got over this point to come into his office or go to the emergency room. But they wanted to send her home. She went to her doctor thr next day and he told her not to go to that hospital again.
ridiculous.. That hospital needs a state investigator to come in and go over their records. Total incompetence.
That kinda happened to me. I was in terrible pain, and the hospital decided I was on drugs, and seeking opioids. They tried to put me in psych, but I got out of there quickly. I laid on my floor for 9 hrs in extreme pain. Turns out I had an ulcer, and gut bleed, and had also become anemic from blood loss. It was horrible, and I'll never go to an emergency room again unless I'm unconscious, and cant object.
Hope you sued for malpractice
There are a lot of hospitals like that in this country.
My wife's son had his tonsils out.
Two weeks later he started throwing up huge amounts of blood.
We took him to a small-town hospital.
The ER checked him out and released him saying that we were lying.
We were walking out of the hospital with a nurse when he threw up again.
Another huge amount of blood in the middle of the hallway floor.
The nurse adjusted her attitude real fast after seeing this for herself.
The hospital helicoptered him to the children's hospital in St. Louis.
Anyone want to guess what the ER doctors did not know?
2 weeks after having your tonsils removed, the scab falls off and you bleed straight down into your stomach.
The children's hospital cauterized the wound again.
The point of this story is; If you want to live, stay away from small town hospitals.
cardinal glennon is who finally diagnosed my crohns after the best drs in my small town didnt even run any tests to diagnose my guts for two years.
I think you mean stay away from that particular hospital. All dogs being mammals doesn't imply all mammals being dogs. Equally, one small-town hospital being poor doesn't imply all small-town hospitals are equally poor. There are some excellent doctors and hospitals in small communities.
The medical field has gone down hill from the nineties when they started admitting minorities that couldn't meet standard qualification, so that they can get more Federal money! There is no part of our society that can't be screwed up by idi-ot Government politicians controlling the money!! Be very wary when you go to the Hospital; many people die in there!!!
The hospital in my town is known as a place you don't want to go. I always say never go there for more than anything that needs a bandaid and they might even still put that on wrong.
@@Vykk_Draygo no there really are statistics about very poor care in rural healthcare they don't see alot of patients and have the attitude of if I don't know you in this small town you must be an outsider begone grew up in the country and was treated like this for a decade plus of health issues growing up and going to a dozen plus small town drs eventually I went to a suburb outside the capital and was immediately referred to 3 specialists and diagnosed with tests right away one remarked how stupid my previous doctors where based on my medical reports that they couldn't figure out I had esophagitis even a basic throat check was obvious I had acid scaring and was not just faking to stay out of school my doctors where all appalled at the decade worth of laziness from my previous doctors had one outright tell me stay away from small town healthcare it's just a paycheck to them they want an easy job in a slow town easy money no work
I almost completed my "lame corporate excuse" bingo card from the hospital's public statement.
"Terminated the employees involved", "additional training", and "we apologize"
I was missing an "unable to comment on ongoing lawsuit" and "mistakes were made" or other passive language to get a filled line.
They didn't claim that nothing was done wrong and insist that the patient was lying. That already puts them well above the normal for most organizations, whether business or government.
Most corporations refuse to admit they made a mistake! Significantly, while being sued! They only did this because another hospital treated the man for the symptoms they should have caught! Either way, they knew they would lose, so better to pretend you cared and fire the underlings, and apologize! The jury will take that into account and may reduce the payout!
@@mind_of_a_darkhorse Funny. If I were on a jury, based on these facts, I wouldn't reduce the payout. Something about the leadership culture led the relevant staff to think this was okay. Their best bet for me to not favor smacking them hard on the punitive damage would be to have emails from above that were consistent with actual outrage.
Now, that said, that would just move the punitive damage from the org to the leadership staff on duty that night. I'd have no problem wrecking their finances over flagrantly disregarding the welfare of one in their charge. Alas, some judge on appeal would probably reduce it on some BS principle that ignores the human impact of such indifference to suffering. Indeed, I think "depraved indifference" is the legal term (though as a non-lawyer, I cannot say for certain this is the right terminology).
@@williamsteveling8321 Currently, we all have to contend with biased judges on the courts who seem to go out of their way to side with businesses over the common people!
"unable to comment on ongoing lawsuit" almost always means "We refuse to comment on an ongoing lawsuit, unless we think it's to our benefit to do so".
That is completely bonkers. I can't imagine taking someone incoherent and unresponsive to jail. If he were under the influence, then the hospital was still the right place to be - though maybe not that one that night. If he was still showing heat exhaustion 12 hours later, I feel like he's lucky to be alive and not permanently injured. Horrible situation.
The hospital staff also ignored the ambulance crew when they must have told them he was picked up from WORK (not the sidewalk) and the co-workers told them they suspected heat stroke.
I hope they look deeper into this situation during the discovery process. I theorize the issue might stem from an administrative edict that based on a set of triage rules they try to as quickly as possible discharge patients like this because they don’t make money from them. I’m glad you mentioned the correlation between bad cops and now bad medical personnel.
He must have failed the wallet biopsy.
Usually when they see it's work related, they want to give you every test they can think of cause they know workmans comp is going to pay.
I've presented twice in my lifetime to an ER and was discharged with a critical missed diagnosis, under treated, and too sick and incapacitated to advocate for myself. And I used to work in healthcare.....eye opening....every patient needs one or more advocates.....ideally ....
This sounds insane. But I am not surprised. The medical establishment has lost almost all my respect the last two years.
But you took the jab didn't you
@@keithadams812 a vaccine has nothing to do with hospitals, they just give it. Don’t be a simpleton
There was a MASSIVE loss of employees, like over 30%, and a high proportion of those were the older and more experienced nurses. So obviously the standard of care declines.
Only in the last 2 years, sad.
The excessive for profit medical industry corruption for more than 40 years has screwed more people than you could ever count
"Almost" is, in my opinion, being very kind to a so-called profession that deserves none of it.
Presumably the first "hospital" also charged the guy for this amazing treatment....🤦🏻♀️🇮🇹
A disabled veteran friend of mine toward the end of her military service fainted while standing in formation in the hot sun. A doctor was not called. Her husband was not called. Her immediate superior was called and told to come get his soldier off the lawn because it looked bad for the visitors. All this after she had just had exploratory surgery in which the surgeons ALLEGEDLY found nothing. They sewed her up and sent her on a 2-mile run, in which the stitches of course ripped out. Once she left the military she was seen by a prominent specialist at a world-famous teaching hospital who diagnosed her with the worst case of a particular condition he had EVER seen, and that condition was his specialty. Whoever had operated on her before MUST have seen it, and the specialist testified in writing that it was HIGHLY unlikely to have been invisible such a short time earlier.
Interestingly, a couple of years later, despite her having an honorable discharge in hand, in writing, she was notified that she was AWOL and subject to arrest if she did not report for duty immediately. At the time she was bedridden, recovering from yet another surgical procedure addressing the original condition that the military failed to diagnose. ::smh::
this reminds me of how the hospitals tried to treat my grandma. anything that doesn't match up on the check list, it's automatically sent off as okay
Steve you are correct sir. I have on several occasions experienced things such as this in my 26 1/2 year police career. The one that sticks out was a MVA. The officers first on the scene already decided the driver was DUI based on the physical appearance and smell. (I was also working as a EMT-A part time.) After making contact with the driver, I immediately recognized the signs and symptoms of Ketone acidosis which requires immediate treatment, informed the "rookies", that the last place this guy needs is to be in jail, and ask why EMS was not called. To make a long story short, ambulance was called, the guy was treated and after a day or two in the hospital he was fine. And yes sir, we are trained in basic first aid in the academy. With that being said I am HAPPY I do not have to put up with BS from the younger generations attitude anymore and retired. I think I will stick to serving service of legal process from now on. LOL
Thank you.
sad to hear you retired. Seems we need more guys like you in the field. Can save a lot of lives. And i would not thrust those rookie officers with my life if they made that call. Its no wonder the thrust in the police declines this much. If you have these kind of rookies. and that officer from the story. This is why we need more professional. and better trained officers on the streets.
I sure miss officers such as yourself. Now it seems we have a bunch of knuckle-draggers who have never exercised their critical thinking skills. All they know to do is get ID and escalate an encounter until they can make an arrest, especially if their omniscience is challenged or their ego is bruised.
@@msdarby515 Sadly ma'am you are absolutely correct. I could see the writing on the wall. I knew there was no way in H$^* I would "fit in". MERRY CHRISTMAS ma'am to you and your loved ones.
I think the reason the younger generations of police officers tend to behave like they have their heads up their asses is because they have incentive to do so. Getting DUI arrests is great for your career these days, even if you have to make them up.
I had just gotten a new primary care physician and was completely compliant with every request they asked, then they followed up with a call and gave me the results of various tests they had performed and it was all gibberish to me. So I asked the staff if I could schedule an appointment to discuss the general nature of my medical care with this physician.
Leading up to the appointment I thought about how I felt as if I had been treated like cattle force-fed through an assembly line, and when I checked in at the doctors office I was in a poor mood. I had a friend with me and we were finally led back to the examination rooms and waited for the doctor, instead of a doctor, a security guard showed up and ordered me to leave because I supposedly had “made the staff feel uncomfortable“ even though I was pleasant every other moment except at the initial check-in.
I called the doctor to ask why I was treated this way and it was incredibly unproductive, and this had been my friend’s doctor for quite some time and she was just as shocked as I was by this treatment. I’ve found a new doctor since but quite a few people have told me that the medical system isn’t about treating you like a patient, you’re just simply another Opportunity to make a little money in the quicker they get their money, the happier they are.
Last time I went to the doctor's office, they couldn't tell me what the bill would be after they finished, because it takes a different department to calculate the bill for a non-emergency checkup, and it took over a month to be mailed to me. The first person who saw me during the visit to take vitals and record basic information about the issue was a "hunt and peck" typer, despite it literally being her job to type in information on a computer.
I went to the eye doctor for an infected scratch on my eye, and they asked me when I left if I wanted to pay immediately, pay at the follow up for both visits, or just get the bill in the mail. Both the eye doctors I've been to were better than the medical clinic I used to go to, and significantly better than some of the other doctor's offices I've been to, at least in terms of convenience, service, and often wait time.
I am a nurse and I understand the frustration and not being able to understand the explanations as to what is going on with your health when you're not feeling well. But I have had patients turn around and demand that I show them their lab results. I've shown them these lab results and they'll take one of them and start asking questions. For example, the most common test is a CBC complete blood count. If you want me to explain exactly what those numbers mean then you need to sit down and spend some time. Because if you don't have some basic college level anatomy and physiology classes, those that explanation is going to make very little sense to you. I can cut it down to an extremely simple explanation but if you want more than that you better be planning to go to college. Sometimes the answers people seek are just too complicated for them to understand. We can give you basic information. We can explain stuff on a basic level. But it's going to be very, very basic. And if you want more than that you're going to be looking at some serious studying just to understand how it works.
@Br3ttM I have a quick explanation for you as to they're unable to tell you what the bill is going to be. The best they can do is give you a rough estimate. That's because every insurance company out there has negotiated different rates as to what they're going to pay and what the doctor will be allowed to charge you. It is the most convoluted, complicated billing system that man can ever create. That is an issue that needs to be addressed.
@@windmillacres679 I can understand why that would be frustrating. I myself am fairly competent in science across all disciplines, and I just wanted to understand why the numbers that they were telling me were significant because initially they just rattled off a bunch of numbers with no context and that was it. my question was “is this good for my health or bad for my health or do I need to change something?“ But that’s why I wanted to sit down and talk to my doctor because I wanted to make sure I was doing whatever I needed to do to stay healthy and up to that point I felt like I had simply been following their orders blindly and getting nothing back of value.
@@windmillacres679 so you are just so much smarter than the rest of us... got it.
this has been round about my experience at most hospitals, and i lost my wife after years of fighting for help. At this point, they dont even try and everyone just trusts them.
I can’t imagine many of the good doctors and nurses want to live in Kentucky. Aside from the major hospitals it’s probably scrapings from the bottom of the barrel staffing them.
Note: shaking kids, especially babies, to wake them up is 3rd year med school as it requires special technique. If the unresponsive person is under 18, do not attempt to shake them awake without that special training.
As this post is potentially dangerous in case someone misunderstands it: Shaking babies is a criminal act because babies often die from it. There may be some rare exceptions for specially trained people in very special circumstances, but if you are not a professional who got training for this, it does not apply to you. Never shake a baby.
@@johaquila yes. In case anyone missed it, violently shaking anyone who is medically unresponsive to wake them up is probably not good practice. Shaking babies at all is dangerous and should not be done by anyone. (I’m not aware of any medical exception to that, but not a doctor or nurse to know.)
Post was full sarcasm and satire, if any didn’t recognize.
@@anonymouse14 Post was full of shit.
Police answer is going to be qualified immunity. It is always qualified immunity no matter how vile, illegal, and/or unconstitutional their actions.
sure seems so.
@@harmgregory4560 well, I’ve never not seen it be qualified immunity, including when the officer actually steals from the victim or rapes them.
Your honor, we didn’t know this was wrong.
@@anonymouse14 "I mean, it's not like we arrest people for this kind of thing every day. How were we supposed to know?"
We were following policy.
This is medical gaslighting at its core. The same thing happened to me, where I went to the hospital because I had syncope after bleeding internally for about two days. They tested me for alcohol and drugs and then sent me home.
I hope you sued
The worst part of this is that an ambulance ride from your workplace does not provide an indication of any urgency.
This guy needs to be set for life because of this.
Give him a million clams, void the arrest, offer apologies, and investigate a few medical licenses.
First of all; thank God the man didn't die! Incredible incompetence by the hospital staff, and I agree, the officers are also to blame. If they have to literally pick him up and put him in a car that should have told them the man was not competent to be arrested. Is that a thing, BTW? Sure seems like you'd have to have some awareness of what's happening to you to be arrested. As you said, pure genius (eyeroll) by the other hospital to diagnose heat stroke on a hot day. I worked for a water district at the end of my career and every year in late spring when it started to get hot the District would send emails to all employees of the symptoms of heat stroke. I live in the desert southwest. I would presume that LEO's would get the same sort of precautions for themselves and be able to generalize well enough to at least think 'medical incident' and refuse to arrest. Glad to hear the hospital fired the idiots involved. Now; how many zeros should we put on this check for you sir?
If someone is incapable they shouldn't be arrested, but taken into care by police.
Typically the cops should call an ambulance but it seems like they simply took the word of the medical staff that he was ok and just being difficult.
I'm sure Police deal with many people who are act up or are simply drunk/drug affected.
Combine that with lack of training and the pressure to "just take care of things", inevitably leads tot these outcomes.
Happens all over the world.
I think if someone is incoherent but subject to arrest, they usually take the suspect to the hospital and then to jail. Police should have called an ambulance for this man to take him to a hospital. Obviously a different one as this one would not treat him.
DID THE FIRST HOSPITAL THAT HAD HIM ARRESTED SEND HIM A BILL???
I had a similar incident when I had kidney stones - they treated me like I was an addict seeking drugs. NOT, I was in pain from kidney stones. After 45 minutes of being treated like crap, everything immediately changed! They finally reviewed my medical records and noted my visits to a urologist for kidney stones.... After treatment, they released me without any paperwork as they didn't want my ER visit noted. no bills, records, etc.
My doctor told me I had six months to live
I told the doctor I can't pay my bill in six months
He said you can have a year!
Wow what a Lawsuit. 🤢 What kind of hospital does that? The Administration should be held accountable for their actions. Primum non Nocere
This is what happens when you have nurses that have no sympathy for their patients.
Hundo, unfolded, across the top and hood of the red viper, on the top left side of the main cabinet. 11.
Despicable behaviors! I do my best to stay out of hospitals especially in the era of covid. A veteran!
I thought everyone did their best to stay out of hospital, regardless of the era.
Heat stroke is basically the same thing as a stroke.
Anyone involved should be stripped of any license or certificate so they can not do this again.
The police constantly screech about “community caretaker roles,” but only when it helps them. They should have driven him to a better hospital with intelligent staff instead of almost killing him in a cell.