I used to carry 300 to 500 dollars and budget that way (I can feel when my lunch and discretionary money is getting low). After finding out about this nonsense, I don’t carry more than a hundred and I just have spend more time making sure my burn rate is working. I bought a $13,000 side by side and I made the guy sign at the bank so I wouldn’t risk getting pulled over with cash. At least in Mexico the cop only takes about ten percent, which makes them 90% less corrupt.
The Canadian government has issued travel advisories in the past warning about the police in the USA They look for Canadian license plates, pull the driver over and ask if they have any money on them If the Canadian tourist can’t provide evidence they acquired their money legally the cop seizes it.. gambling the Canadian won’t be able to justify the time and money traveling and hiring lawyer for court dates to get the money back It’s common for Canadians to take out USD prior to going to the USA to do shopping The American police know this And see it as an easy target to steal from
Tom Nisen, I like your thinking but that’s where it goes from literal highway robbery to unlawful arrest and excessive use of force. I never carry cash, but I also try to remain friendly and polite. You can assert your rights without pissing them off most of the time. Tone and phrasing have saved my butt more than once. It’s ALWAYS worth taking that extra second to get a deep breath and think of the nicest way to tell them to F off.
If they made it past a checkpoint, they have already been deemed "safe". Why are there any cops inside this safe zone at all? So, is this the local police telling us TSA is ineffective in their procedures? No matter what, it's bad for us all.
@@machintelligence by the TSA, maybe, that doesn't give a cop the right to block the way and demand an id. They can ask, sure. But they have no legal authority to demand it or detain you as they are clearly doing here
@@machintelligence Thats about the TSA doin such, which yea, makes sense, as they have cameras watchin you the whole time and if someone sees sus activity by you after a checkpt, theyre gonna further check you to make sure you didnt create or find a makeshift bomb or shiv or a liquid weighin more than two ounces.
That’s so dirty I can’t even come up with a gross analogy for it. You trap people in a narrow space, shake them down for cash, they can board their plane and get home or stay and argue about it, and they call that consensual. How is that any different than being mugged in a dark alley? And to say it’s consensual is just insult to injury. Such disgusting tactics. These oath breakers should be arrested for extortion, theft, robbery, and whatever else they can be charged with. But no… they’ll turn a blind eye
MONEY GOING TO OPERATIONS, RETIREMENT FUNDING OF JUDGES AND POLUCE BY ANY MEANS ACTIVATES LEGAL PRECEDIENT OF PROFFITING FROM ACTS AGAINST CITIZENS. ROBBERY NOT LEGAL EVEN IF A BAD LAW MAKES THEM THINK THEY ARE ALLOWED. Having them positioned to act as if they are DICTATORS GET RID OF---
^ “JP” here forgot to watch the video prior to commenting, and also isn’t any good at logic - otherwise they would already know that the answer is “sue the living shit out of the police, CREATING CASE LAW WHICH ENDS THE CORRUPT, CONSTITUTION-VIOLATING PRACTICES BY THE POLICE”.
Yeah, but too many people are fine with the police leaning on 1000 citizens to get a handful of criminals off the streets. But for only a few hours usually, and rarely any real sentences for even repeat offenders. The core of the problem is the judges.
@@jpnewman1688 By holding ALL police responsible for NOT policing the bad actors in their ranks. Not all cops are bad, but the "good" ones permit the bad ones to be cops. This is what it means to defund the police. It is a crime to impersonate a police officer. There are standards of skill and conduct to be a police officer. If the standards are not maintained then it is the fault of all of the rest of the force. Members of an organization that acts in a criminal manner are convicted of the crime of being associated even if they aren't perpetrators. This has been the case for street gangs, mafia, and Nazi members. It should be the same for police until they have expunged their ranks of bad actors and behaves in a manner that earns trust and respect instead of coercing compliance. Yes complain to local departments and politicians. Complain to police unions and professional associations. People you elect set their funding. Hold them responsible for employing bad actors AND those that permitted, by inaction, those bad actors to flourish. Bad cops are created by their colleagues who let small offences slide. Complain every time a cop "flexes" around you. Support those that hold police to a standard of shill and conduct. Report the reckless speeder to 911 even if they are in a police car.
@@schooltechnology so you still believe the narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths are there to "serve and protect" the sheep, and complain to your masters will help?
Yep. Sooner or later it'll get some cops killed. Steve would fly across the country a few times and make a spectacle of it. I don't have the platform he does. What I do have is the resources to buy a throw away used car, drive across the country buying gas with cash, and use an AR-10 in the way God and the 2nd amendment intended. Hoo rah!
@@mikehilbert9349 or there's real crime and they're too afraid of getting shot by thuglets. They instead would rather have doctors and engineers, or comedians, come shoot them instead.
I moved from America to Japan in early 2015, departing from O'Hare in Chicago. I was carrying all the cash I could scrape together, mostly converted to yen but also in dollars (the exchange shop ran out of yet). It was at least $25k. I refused to let go of it at the TSA entry point, walked through the scanner with it in hand, and actually had to show it to a TSA agent and let them pat me down. The agent was impressed by the wad of yen but let me go on my way. Every time I see one of Steve's videos about asset forfeiture I thank my lucky stars. At the time, I had no idea that the money could be seized.
do that in Canada and they'll confiscate it and make you go to court to get it back. "policing for profit" exists everywhere and they answer to no one because the city and state governments are afraid of the. cop unions.
@@chronicreaderNot accurate. US law does not require anyone to declare it upon departure from the country only upon arrival into the US. However, ANYTIME you have more than 10k in your possession, it can be taken by law enforcement.
WAit -- isn't an airport considered to be federal property, and as such, local police have no jurisdiction? This means that the airport itself (the FAA) should be held responsible for allowing it. Is it even possible to sue in that case? Thank you for bringing this to the attention of everyone ~
Airports are owned and run by the city and/or county where it sits. The FAA oversees the security screening, ATC, etc, but local police are called for incidents inside the airport and planes and in big airports, like Atlanta's, there's a local PD office inside the airport. In this case, Clayton county PD was the LE doing these checks. I've seen this happen countless times in Atlanta's airport, but I have always assumed these were authorized TSA-connected searches.
Airport called the cops they work hand-in-hand with the authorities whether it's Federal especially Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms about money but if they have a special deal with the cops in the airport then yet why not local cops get the money just remember that anytime you fly these people will flat out turn you into anybody about personal and private things that you have that are not against the law act accordingly
i once said no to cops who asked to search my car, and i didnt even have anything. they searched my car anyway and found nothing. it was a terrible experience. i hope the comedians in your story win a LOT of money.
@@jpnewman1688 You think voting will stop police overstepping their authority? Cute. Tell me which of the 2 stupid extremist lying parties I need to sign up for to stop police abuse of power. Go on. Let's hear it.
"I've already cleared thru TSA. You may NOT see my ID." Then don't move aside. Screws up the whole boarding process and hopefully they will piss off the airline and airport staff enough to ask "what exactly are you guys doing here?"
If they attempt to take you away, point out to the airline employees between the ramp and the gate that if that plane takes off with your checked luggage, you will contact the FAA and NTSB. There are multi thousand-dollar fines against an airline that is caught transporting a passenger's baggage without the passenger. Let that happen a few times and the airlines will take action against the police.
@@vincentmoore7307hat's not accurate. As long as it's through no purposeful action by the passenger to not be on the same plane as their bag, it doesn't matter unless the flight is going out/into the US as an international flight. That's partially why some people's bags get lost or sent somewhere other than where it was checked to go.
But wudnt we want their audiences to have that last laugh? Be a prty borin comedy show if the comedians are always laughin the most at their jokes out of anyone in the venue :P
One point may have been overlooked here. Cops typically don't asks for your ID directly, nor if they can search your property. Usually, it's, "Do you have your ID", or in this case boarding pass? This is just to get that first "yes" on the right track. Next, they'll ask, "Do you mind if I search?" Never "Can I..." This works especially well with non-native speakers, and reasonably well with people not paying close attention. Here, yes actually means no, and no means yes. This is a lovely little trap if the case ever gets to court because a cop can always answer to receiving an affirmative response. Definitely a method to the madness.
This is why knowing/excercising your rights is SO IMPORTANT..."I don't consent", and asking if you are free to go, proves a non-consensual detainment, and will at least aid in getting the $ that was STOLEN, returned...Yes. This is BS!!! How the SC hasn't ruled this as highly unconstitutional is beyond any comprehemsion...They don't even have jurisdiction to be in the concourse!!! What's next? Knocking on random doors, asking for permission to search for anything over $1000.00 in the house...? "Got a license for that stamp collection???" Wish it was scarcastic, but, it's not; They graduated to stealing $ orders...(which were designed to prevent this...)
Being that this is happening while under federal purview this is something that our members of Congress in the House and Senate need to be looking into. Asset forfeiture laws need to be abolished and this seems to be another avenue or way for local cops to get at travelers' money and possessions. With all the bad press that police have been getting within the last few years, asset seizures at airports do nothing but further give cops a black eye and in this case deservedly so.
Until the Supreme Court rules that Civil Asset Forfeiture is unconstitutional, this behavior will not end. Why would rapacious local and State governments give up the opportunity to legally engage in theft. I'm not holding my breath for this to go away.
I am wheelchair bound and what I have been through at airport security is outrageous. I know as soon as I say I cannot walk thru the x-ray machine it will start. Everytime it is a pat down that is painful and obstrusive. Lately I have told the TSA or police to just do it right next to the line hoping that other people will see what is in store for them if they are in the same position. I am a disabled vet from the Vietnam era and it never got this bad until about 12 years ago. We have given up travel as much as possible since what would happen if they said no way can you get on your plane. Things have gone crazy.
@david bates: I always refuse the Chertoff machine - just because I can - and opt for the pat down instead. Certain parts of the body (not the parts you might assume) are NEVER searched in the pat down. The whole airport security protocol is IMO what one actual security expert calls,"security theater": little actual security, just a show to make the masses feel safe. If these guys are hurting you in the search is is because you are inconveniencing them by not just marching through with the rest of the sheeple. Thank you for your service.
This. So many people with chronic health issues or disabilities are forced into intrusive body searches, and I've seen people with (for example) stomas, wearing medical devices, or those with catheters etc, being forced to explain themselves. Not only that, but there was a story just recently where a woman had to drag herself down the aisle of the aircraft to use the toilet because the company refused to utilise an aisle chair, and told her she should have either gone before getting on the plane, hold it, or wear a diaper. The number of people who have had their expensive mobility aids damaged in airports and on planes, or worse, had them LOST, refused access to disabled spaces because able-bodied people are using them (for shopping, luggage or infant strollers) even though they're protected by law, or who have ended up having to urinate on themselves because they're prevented access to disabled toilets is absolutely disgusting, and this whole thing is just another example of how systemic ableism is.
Thank good ol George the NAZI Bush and his crony Cheny for their masterful heist of TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS on 9/11/2001 and the subsequent 'Patriot Act' that destroyed our constitution and our rights and allowed them to destroy WE THE PEOPLE piecemeal, over the years.
A lot can be learned from those 1A guys, just keep walking until they stop you and tell you, you are detained, at that point they cannot say it was voluntary, and now you have a lot of protections.
Also, the very simple question "Am I free to go?" is the way to draw the line between consensual participation and coerced detention. Doughnut dumpsters will go ahead and cross the line, but I believe it unwise to challenge them to articulate their suspicion of your wrongdoing. Let them hang themselves, then take all the facts into court. When they never demonstrate reasonable suspicion, they're "had."
This country puts cops on a pedestal so high up that they forget how much power they have. Don't look at them as just cops. Thier packing heat and can handcuff anyone anywhere minus federal installations like military bases. Only in those locations and outside the country are cops actually not allowed, because the military has tanks, predator drones and attack aircraft.
The problem in this case is the jetbridge is so narrow you cannot "just keep walking" without pushing past them and making physical contact, at which point they arrest you for assault.
@@judykey2472 But nobody films in the jetway. I believe Jed was referring to the fact that most, if not all, jetways don't have cameras in them. Whereas most of the rest of the airport is covered with cameras at all times.
I would hope the LEO's have body camera on including the mic some cops like to shut off the mic and if these cops were looking for money, they would need to go too the international flights, that's where the largest sums would most likely be, people going on vacation
Thanks. I’ll be flying through Atlanta next week. Im a retired police officer and things like this give all police officers a bad name. This is a systematic breakdown of the system and is not what asset forfeitures were meant for….. they need to go away
@@phiddlephart7026 Even of just to capture the audio, yeah, doing that would have been my first action, body cams, if present can "magically" be erased
@@pplusbthrust The Feds aren't turning a blind eye, they're willing accomplices. If the cops want to turn it over to the Feds, it's even harder to get your money back.
@@pplusbthrust actually, most feds were on the take too... It took one honest cop, Elliot Ness to get things going in the right direction! Sadly, not enough checks and balances were put in to keep the law honest and here we are! 🙄
This happened to a teenage rapper when a bag belonging to someone in his group smelled like weed. There wasn't any in the bag, it just smelled like it. They stopped them in in the same area, the boarding path, and had the contents of the bag strewn all over the place while searching it. They wanted the kid to say the bag was his when it wasn't, then arrested him for disorderly conduct for raising his voice while arguing with them.
Back when I flew every week I was a positive name match for the no fly list. For 2 years it was a huge PITA. Every boarding pass would get the 4 S stamp, meaning I got the maximum search , often not just at the checkpoint but again at the gate. This is after the airline took my ID to the TSA and verified I wasn't the guy who was banned.
"But the fact that you won't consent to a search obviously can't rise to the level of creating a suspicion that would then let them search you." I remember the video you did where the Pennsylvania State Police did exactly that to people they were stopping on the road. And that one of the criteria they used to pull people over was obeying the speed limit.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket The PSP really bent over backwards trying to get to search people's vehicles. "They were obeying the law! That's suspicious! They cooperated when we pulled them over! That's suspicious!"
I drive 70 on the freeway, the speed limit. Most people pass me but that is OK. I have what I consider a good excuse though, my truck gets much worse gas mileage above 70. So I am simply being frugal and trying to save a buck. I have been passed by many state patrol officers and I always look at them. They are not paying any attention to me, they are looking for people going 90 to 100+
If youre tall, youre a likely criminal bcuz you can climb fences to get into others property. If youre small, youre a likely criminal bcuz you can hide in small spaces and sneak thru small spaces others cant get thru, to steal stuff. And worst of all, if youre middle sized then youre the most suspicious bcuz you can easily blend in with a crowd thats mostly your height, after stealin stuff.
Remember their packing heat and your not. Cops have absolute power. No group at that point has any authority over them. Not one of these cops has been handcuffed and criminally charged and convicted. Until cops serve time behind bars for certain actions they will continue using their absolute power.
It boils my blood every time I hear about asset forfeiture. I have talked to a state representative about it who is an interstate business owner and they have concerns as well .
Good now dog that state representative with a coalition of people complaining and get the local news on it and turn up the pressure to high. If he/she shows concern then take FULL advantage and turn that into legislation. You have an opportunity to MAKE something good happen. Please please take advantage and do that.
But still nobody does anything about it! Have you all been so brow-beaten? (I must practise saying "no. I do not consent to my belongings being searched. It has already be done. For what reason are you detaining me? Are you arresting me? Then please move out of my way.) Would that work?
They have "concerns" do they? Well that's just special. What actions have they taken to address those concerns? This isn't a new problem. This has been going on for years in flagrant disregard of the constitution. Fun fact: people having their shit stolen by the local authorities is one of the things we fought a war over in the late 18th century.
I am still amazed at how I mention civil asset forfeiture often and yet most people I mention it too have never heard of it. And among the people who have never heard of it, they don’t believe me that is a thing because it sounds so outrageous.
Even other cops. Perhaps I explained it poorly but a trooper friend of mine didn't believe it was a thing, because Ma has criminal asset forfeiture, which most of us agree with. The idea that your stuff can just be taken outside of the conventional means of due process is very difficult for ppl to accept, and I understand why. Who in their right mind would be ok with the idea that the state can just take your stuff, and it be an acceptable defense that the stuff is what is suspicious but not the owner. It defies logic and common sense for how ppl are taught to conceptualize due process. I and the trooper friend got pretty heated because he asked me to cite the law, well that's the issue, there is a the constitution saying they can't do this, but also a law saying except under these ambiguous circumstances, that doesn't say they can, but gives direction on how and why it's against the stuff while the constitution and other laws pertain to the person. Ppl just get so confused the more they hear about it that they can't process the contradictions.
I have sent out links to steve's videos on that subject many times. I ask people what they think later and they are almost without words they are so displeased and irritated over this.
They tried this with me on a layover/transfer to another plane. (If you can believe that) I refused ID and boarding pass as one is protected under probable cause and the other is personal property. I was told they had the right.... I asked what their probable cause was, and they said have a nice day. 😡🤬 BTW never carry cash when traveling, credit card is the only way to fly.
Now I want to start naming types of fish when the cop starts to talk to me. Maybe they're looking for a catfish, or salmon, perhaps a bluefin tuna... So many red herrings they end up with on these fishing trips, but they'll take what they can, I suppose.
The airlines should be concerned this is happening on their gangway as it most certainly leaves a bad impression on the customer. If you know this happens at a certain airport I would imagine people would want to avoid that airport and the airlines that use them as hubs.
I actively avoided United at a particular airport after repeat searches at the gate. It never happened with Delta there, so I have to imagine the airline has to approve of it.
I very much doubt the airlines are aware of it, let alone approve it. All roads lead to Atlanta when you fly Delta to the east coast. I will avoid Atlanta airport like the plague moving forward.
@@loismiller2830 How could they not be aware of it? The cops have to walk past the boarding desk to get into the passageway, unless they came up from the tarmac, where the ground crew would see them (not sure if they belong to the airline or not).
It's really sad in our society today that we actually have to stand up and fight against such corruption towards the people who are supposed to be protecting us
@@toriless who stated it was an obligation? Think you have "uninformed" yourself by means of being presumptuous.. "supposed to" and "obligation" are two completely different things. Either way what child grows up saying I want to harass people and hand out fines for a living? I think most grow up under the impression of I want to protect people and make the world a better place
They stopped serving amd protecting a long long time ago! Uvalde TX comes to mind. When seconds count, cops are only minutes away. They always show up after.
People must know their rights. “What crime have I committed?” “I do not answer questions” “I want a lawyer” While standing in the way of everyone. I will not move out of the way unless I’m arrested and you are moving me to a new location. If I’m detained, I will stand here until I’m no longer detained. Simple.
@@tissuepaper9962 it’s within city limits and done “voluntary” because people trust police. #1 thing. Don’t talk to cops!!! 5th Amendment I don’t answer questions! I want a lawyer! That’s it, yes they will arrest you because they can, but you will win and probably get settlement for false arrest.
Absolutely shocking and makes me not want to travel to the US for a vacation. When travelling with my family holding couple of thousand buck in spending money is quite normal and the thought that the government could just confiscate it without cause is just theft and deeply concerning
Considering how many stories include TSA informing the local cops about who was carrying cash, I would highly suspect that was happening at Atlanta too. Also from other stories, we can assume that they probably averaged a 20% take on that million dollars. That is enough for a full time cop and some extras.
I heard this story from Eric Andre shortly after it happened. Thank you so much Steve for covering this story. I’m glad to hear these guys are bringing not just a lawsuit, but much more needed attention to this bogus, outdated, and tyrannical practice. It needs to be stopped.
In my country if you have checked luggage on the plane it cannot take off without you. That means about an hour to find and remove your luggage before it can take off. It happened at two airports on Tuesday which led to 20 domestic flights within the country being cancelled due to the disruption.
Actually, the U.S. has similar rules, but the penalty is a fine against the airline. If a passenger's luggage is transported without the passenger, the airline is assessed a fine of several thousand dollars. Of course, the federal authorities have to be made aware of the violation for the fine to be assessed.
Who the hell carries their prescription, the paper from the doctor, with them everywhere they go? Seems like an unreasonable expectation as it is not a legal requirement to carry both the pills and the medical documentation with you at all times. Edit: So a scenario was pointed out where the drugs might not be in the bottle from the pharmacy. For example, in a ziplock bag or maybe a daily dosage / morning and night type of container where someone who needs to take several pills on a strict schedule preloads their week's supply. In such cases they would not have the pharmacy bottle with them probably, not for a short trip at least.
Any time a doctor gave me a prescription, when I had it filled the pharmacy took it. Then only thing I got was a receipt when I paid for it. At least where I live, they print your name on the label they put on the bottle. That's the proof it's yours.
Here where I live in Canada I give the paper prescription to the pharmacy and they have to keep it for their records that a Dr prescribed medication they are dispensing. I guess I could make a copy but I'm not sure if this is illegal?
My doctor sends the prescription directly to the CVS pharmacy through some electronic means. I never see it. I don't even know if it ever goes to paper.
I am a white old lady and I do not fly through Atlanta because I saw this happen. These cops know that people are trying to get on the plane so will cooperate in order to get on their way. Clayton Co cops know this and these bullying illegal stops needs to be outlawed.
Sherif to deputy: Hey deputy, go to the airport and go search some bags as people are boarding. Take any money you find. We need some new equipment for our recreation room. The mayor said he will not approve money for our daiquiri machine.
Just do away with civil asset forfeiture outright. At the very least until an actual conviction is obtained, and ONLY assents that are PROVEN to be linked to a crime.
Then it wouldn't be civil asset forfeiture, it would be criminal asset forfeiture. You had it right the first time. We should completely do away with civil asset forfeiture.
@@bott3849 I just had politician representative stop at my door Monday. I did like Steve says and ask about position on civil asset forfeiture. I also asked about qualified immunity and they had no clue of either topic. I gave her a 20 minute lesson on both. A bit on her other rights too of not having to identify to police unless suspected of a crime except while driving, her right to remain silent and not answering questions. She was clueless on those topics too.
Great points, Steve! One other problem with having cops inside the TSA area is now there are firearms beyond that area as well. Every cop is taught that in every encounter they have a gun is present; theirs! And who in the world would think that being detained by an armed uniformed officer is in any way consensual? I sure hope these guy win this lawsuit!
I'm glad your helping these guys bring this to attention. You have connections in the legal world, maybe it's time to pool the legal brains and resources.
Every TV station has an investigative reporter, they all need to get on board. Now is a really good time to get your state representative to do this. One person got $760 forfeited that’s not a lot of money. They are just closing down the use of cash we might as well face it.
@@cybersal7 The cops have stolen $68 BILLION from US citizens who have not committed any crime. Contribute to Institute for Justice. And write to your congressmen emphatically. Those scum want to ignore this robbery at gunpoint because they all get some of the money. I have not gotten one single response from 6 different politicians that "represent" me to date.
Comedians draw from their own life experiences for material, so we'll no doubt be treated to hearing about this incident in a future comedy bit. That sheriff deserves to be famous, especially when he's next up for reelection.
The problem is that the people who voted for him would probably say "Good! He's keeping these dangerous people from carrying money that was maybe used in the drug trade or something! Better safe than sorry!!!" Of course, they have essentially a 0% chance of it happening to them, so why should they care?
Do we know that it was county deputies that were at the airport or was it city police? If it was city police then their Sheriff has nothing to do with this issue.
Lol, I have worked in international forwarding in Germany for years and had mainly worked on shipments from and to the US. I can tell you right now, if the Atlanta Police WANTED to find drugs, they wouldn't be searching passengers but the goods warehouses. Passengers hardly carry anything but their own "consumables", but shipments can easily been switched even if under customs control, as long as you know how to do it (and the workers at the warehouses do know how). But drugs have to be destroyed when seized, money can be "repurposed". Drug dealers don't move money in cash anymore, that's what bitcoin is for. Drug smugglers don't smuggle on persons but on "mislabled shipments", or with mules. These searches have no other reason then to seize money from travelers, and since these people are moving away from Atlanta, suing for their property to be returned is going to be more expensive.
I actually have experience with denying a search, then being told I'm behaving suspiciously and being searched anyways while walking home one day. They couldn't find anything illegal in my bag, so they arrested me for the pocket knife I had on me and claiming it to be an illegal weapon. After being locked up for 93 days, I finally step into the courtroom and meet my court appointed attorney, who ignores what I have to say and enters a guilty plea. I object since I have never even spoken to this attorney, and the judge ignores me, accepting the plea from my public counsel. This happened in 2004 in Odessa Texas.
I would have filed a complaint against the attorney representing me with the Texas bar association. He or she had no right to enter a guilty plea on your behalf, without your consent. I also feel you should have spoken up and shouted, "I plead NOT guilty!!" when your attorney entered the guilty plea, if for no other reason than to get it into the transcript. I would also have looked for an attorney willing to appeal my "conviction". If the police were claiming your refusal to consent to a search was what made you suspicious enough to be searched involuntarily, then you likely had your 4th amendment rights violated.
@@vincentmoore7307 the sad part is? I did shout that, and was completely ignored. This was Odessa texas in the early 2000s, city was corrupt as hell. EDIT: found a video showing just how corrupt the city was back then, search for cop busters lackluster and watch the video about cops raiding a fake grow house.
Steve, if everything is as you say, this is ridiculous. I've been through the Atlanta Airport exactly twice, the last being in 1992. On that occasion, the remnants of Hurricane Andrew were sitting over the Atlanta Airport. My flight was cancelled a few times, delayed a couple more, forced to return to the hangar for a mechanical problem, taxied out to the runway, and all west-bound take-offs were suspended for an indefinite time, delaying my arrival at my destination until after 10:00 p.m. I think Civil Asset Forfeiture is wrong in far too many instances. More drugs are transported by highway, including, I presume, commercial trucks. I don't have an answer to this dilemma. If someone confiscated my cash, I'd be in serious trouble. My income consists of Social Security, but I do sometimes carry a couple of hundred dollars in cash when traveling. I worked as legal support staff for more than 40 years, and I still believe in the law, but these instances are wrong. Skin color does NOT define a person's character and that's what makes civil asset forfeiture WRONG.
I spent 7 years as a young child in Clayton County in the 1950s. My parents couldn't get us out of there fast enough. The school system was horrid and that county has been the pits ever since then. Rotten police department mostly followed by corrupt politicians and then high crime and lousy schools. That county is the worst county in Georgia and Georgia isn't the greatest state in the union. And nobody seems to be able to do anything about it or nobody cares to do anything about it, so I'm pleased that these comedians have chosen to call them out and bring attention to the sleaze in Clayton County, Georgia.
The law needs to change in such a way where if a person sues for unlawful seizure of money and or property like in this story and sues and WINS gets their money back, AND gets reimbursed for other expenses incurred trying to get their money back AND gets a generous extra amount of money as compensation for pain and suffering AND the money comes out of the pension fund for the same police department that did the search.
@@toriless I suppose that is true. When I turned 18, I had to register for the military draft. When I dropped out of college, I was drafted into the army most likely to go to Vietnam. If I failed to show up I’d be jailed. Fortunately, I failed the draft physical (for having flat feet) and sent home. I’m sure I would be jailed if I didn’t pay my income tax, forgot to pay for my car’s registrations, or to renew my drivers license. My house would be taken if I didn’t pay property taxes. I might be jailed for contempt of court if I didn’t rise when the Judge came in or left the courtroom. I’m sure there are other things I can’t think of right now. Freedom is relative and it must be guarded jealously.
Two things, referring to how to handle situations like this. I didn't know any of this crap when I was younger, but one thing police videos have convinced me of is that I was dangerously fortunate, and one bad police interaction from getting my life screwed up. 1. Ask "Am I free to go?" The reason you may want to ask this is because people are more likely to say "yes." If the officer says "No", then ask the question again in its rephrased form, "Am I being detained?" You simpli say that, but if the officer answers no to both questions, let's just say he's going to look like an idiot in your civil rights lawsuit. If answer about being detained is yes it never hurts to ask "What crime am I suspected of?" In almost all states the officer is not required to articulate that to you at that point, but it is surprising the number of officers that will hang themselves when copsplaining it to you. This all serves the double purpose of clearly establishing that this was an involuntary interaction, and also now means that invoking your 4th and 5th Amendment rights can no longer in a court proceeding be considered suspicious, but instead are a person under police detention, which indicates typically reasonably articulated suspicion in theory, being investigated for a crime. Which is why it's very advisable to add "I want to speak to a lawyer before I answer any questions." BTW invoking any constitutional right is not supposed to be considered suspicious, but I'm talking about the (im)plausible deniability that police in a situation like this are looking to hang their seizure on. Also note that traffic stops have somewhat different rules, because you are already seized as soon as you were stopped. 2. Georgia is sorta and sorta not a stop and identify state. They do have, and I've posted the first roughly half of it at the end of this, an anti-loitering law that bootstraps refusing to identify as suspicious, and then says the officer must give you a chance to dispel his suspicions. But that's the second element. The first element requires you being somewhere you shouldn't be. Which is obviously absurd in this context. For other stop and identify states, watch several of the videos where people have stood up for their rights. Remember though, that many police in states like that will then just simply arrest you for non-compliance. If you can afford a lawyer you can get it dismissed, but now you have to fight over in arrest record. I am not telling you not to, because people who stand up for the rights like the two comedians here help all of our rights. I'm just adding the caveat you need to understand how much grief, money, and time standing up for your rights in a stop and identify state can entail. Official code of Georgia, annotated. 16-11-36. Loitering or prowling. (a) A person commits the offense of loitering or prowling when he is in a place at a time or in a manner not usual for law-abiding individuals under circumstances that warrant a justifiable and reasonable alarm or immediate concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity. (b) Among the circumstances which may be considered in determining whether alarm is warranted is the fact that the person takes flight upon the appearance of a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself, or manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or any object. Unless flight by the person or other circumstances make it impracticable, a law enforcement officer shall, prior to any arrest for an offense under this Code section, afford the person an opportunity to dispel any alarm or immediate concern which would otherwise be warranted by requesting the person to identify himself and explain his presence and conduct...
That's a lot for sheep to remember and do, especially under stress. Who gave power and money to the narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths to write bad laws and abuse the sheep?
@@jpnewman1688 not me, 90 plus percent of the people I've voted for didn't get into office. Also, I don't live in Georgia, so I have no say in local laws there. This is one the dumbest takes I've ever seen.
Let's talk about "random". I'm over 70 and I get the TSA special body search every single time. I have a metal knee but why does the fancy total body scanner insist I've got a suspicious elbow? Atlanta airport is the only place I've ever traveled through that had armoured police armed with automatic weapons watching passengers in the security line. This was maybe 2014. Still don't know why Atlanta is so scared of passengers.
Absolutely insane that they seized up to $1,000,000 of assets and they only have two pathetic convictions for it. When people realize their rights to deny searches, they will push for laws that punish you more for denying searches than what you would be charged with.
@@Vamooso I never possess a prescription for my medications, they send it to the pharmacy, is this 1970? No MD writes prescriptions and you have to turn those in to get it. This claim make 0% sense. NO ONE has a prescription on them AND the medication! That is insane !!! I have had some schedule 1 drugs, so I know, doctors do not take chance with medications. The only time I had a sketchy situation was from a dentist which is why I wanted a written prescription so I could never use it. I never did.
@@toriless The prescription information is always on the bottle the medications are held in. What he meant is that they had their pills in something other than the container they came in.
I was once stopped and searched in the gangway for a connecting flight at CDG airport in Paris in the same manner. As a visitor in a foreign country, I had no idea of my rights. I’m sure many travelers from Europe connecting through Atlanta are easy prey to this shake down.
I don't think there is anything resembling a 4th amendment in France. Cops sit by the side of the road, motion to motorists to pull over, check license, registration, etc. If you're being asked by the "Douanes" which is customs, then prepare to spread your ass cheeks.
I could walk through with a million dollars in crypto on my keychain and they would never know it's there. but you don't need to carry any device, it's on a blockchain. you just recover it at your destination.. or right on the plane, if you can get online 😉
When he travels, My brother mails money orders made out to himself. He mails the backup copy to me. He also buys gift cards to himself. He carries very little cash into airports.
And I the old days when it didn't matter if you paid protection money. Highway robbery stays highway robbery and misuse of power the perrogative of an autoritarian State and corrupt systems .
I was traveling through Iowa headed to a funeral in Chicago. I was pulled over on the interstate for looking suspicious. Whatever that means. Keep in mind I had two children and my mother-in-law with me. They separated me and my mother-in-law and grilled us on where we were going. I told them a funeral. They made us get out of the car while they thoroughly searched it. They put me in the back of the cop car, for my protection they said. I of course had nothing they were looking for. I think they were looking for pot. Pot is legal here in Nevada. Although I don't smoke it. I'm getting quite tired of cops overstepping their bounds. The cops better hope I'm not chosen for a jury.
I try to, it was so long the had stopped doing the shoes BS which is magically back. Probably just to humiliate you. I use to carry a lot of computer equipment. I expect to be hassled. Nope, it is a LOT worse now. Go barefoot with no belt is my advice.
Let's phrase the problem differently. The TSA search is obtrusive, but you can get to the airport early so that you can make your flight. When you get to the jetway, you are under extreme pressure to get on the plane on time. You literally do NOT have time to negotiate your rights with a policeman during that time.
We need to get rid of Civil Asset Forfeiture and Qualified Immunity and then force Law Enforcement Officers and Officials to have to purchase Maplpractice Insurance. When they commit a case of Malpractice, Jack their rates sky high and allow only so many payouts for violations, cancel their coverage and require them to carry said Malpractice Insurance to practice their jobs. No Insurance, no certification. Make it a Federal Requirement.
First thing I thought of when you started explaining was that people who would normally argue with the police, would be more inclined to choose to comply due to fears of being added to the No fly list
Years ago on vacation in Egypt I was boarding a plane back to Cairo. I passed noiselessly through the metal detector yet an Egyptian policeman there took me aside, patted me down, and instructed me to take out my wallet. Then he leaned in and informed me that "a gentleman would hand over a little baksheesh" I remember thinking how this kind of crap would never happen in America. Yea....no.
From what I've heard online and from friends who've been there, the level of corruption in Egypt is an order of magnitude worse than most other places. Although considering the recent outrageous incidents of civil asset forfeiture in the U.S., the gap is rapidly narrowing.
In those kinds of places, it's routine and part of doing business. If I understand correctly, this kind of "gift" is expected from everybody, not discriminatory (or at least, from everybody who looks like they have money). Also, the government agents who do this are often underpaid by their employer. Furthermore, I don't think there is actually statutory law and court cases allowing it. It's just corruption, plain and simple. Whereas the governmental theft going on in the U.S. is actually supported by existing law, and monetary "gifts" being requested by individual officers for their own wallets is not, as far as I know, a widespread occurrence. So in a way, it's worse here-- because it's legal (but unconstitutional).
I applaud Andre and Clayton for standing up against this kind of abuse by law enforcement. And, I am in total agreement that the civil acts forfeiture activity law enforcement jams down out throats has got to be stopped, or at the very least controlled where it is not difficult to retrieve money seized - better yet to stop any such seizures unless done in conjunction with a conviction showing the funds seized were clearly in the possession of the convict as part of his/her criminal activity. I so much despise abuse like what has been presented in this presentation. I would think we are better than this as a society. Apparently not.
Agree with your sentiment 100%. The only way to stop this is to make it legally and financially unsustainable for departments to continue this practice.
You made kind of a great point and passed by it Steve.....why isn't anything past the TSA checkpoint considered Federal property?!? Wouldn't that make at least part of their process a little more difficult
Someone has to have police authority in the airport on both sides of TSA. Airport ownership and operations ,besides the TSA, are run by some governing body. In Pittsburgh it's the county so we have county police. Of course no one saying it's right but just how it works. This police authority has found a unique way of gaining "consent" by putting you in a situation where you can be late for your plane and also the peer pressure from those behind you to just comply. If you shoplift a very expensive pack of gum it's not going to be federal marshals taking you into custody.
Because, airports are not federal property. Before the TSA, airport checkpoints were run by the state or local authorities, sometimes airport special police.
Since civil asset forfeiture (i.e. theft by the government) is lucrative, the county is not likely to respond to public pressure. So the airport authority and the airlines should exercise their finical might by escrowing any taxes or fees owed to the county until the practice ceases and all money where there was no criminal conviction is returned.
Live in Oz, I don’t recall this ever happening when travelling interstate. I also don’t carry my prescriptions with me. In a true Aussie reply the average man would tell the cops to Piss Off🇦🇺
I'd love to subpoena every cop in that department to find out if there were ever instructions to stop people in that specific location because they'd be more stressed into giving their permission.
Thanks for the video. I didn't know this was happening. Certainly won't be answering questions or allowing searches of my stuff past the TSA line at Atlanta should I be asked.
You got a warrant? No? Well I'll be waiting for one before I hand over my stuff. When you get one, you can find me in seat 24C, and I won't move from there. The plane, though...
They literally could have talked to the DEA for advice and they chooses to screw this up like local law enforcement seems to do. The DEA would have probably told them it's a bad idea.
The DEA invented it back in the 80s. Except they were doing it on trains. Apparently, drug traffickers started moving drugs and money on trains to avoid air travel searches and traffic stops on highways. The agents would ask for consent to search while passengers were on the train. Basically, they would approach passengers, identify themselves, and just ask for consent to search. If no consent was given they would move on. If consent was given then they’d search. I don’t recall what methods were used to determine whether or not to seize cash. Also, I don’t remember what laws were in effect concerning asset forfeiture. But, I know that asset forfeiture laws have written to make it easy to seize cash because politicians love that sort of revenue. It isn’t a tax and the people affected are “criminals” so society in general doesn’t complain. I used to think asset forfeiture was a good thing for fighting crime. But, like I said it’s a revenue stream and it’s affecting innocent people far too often.
I'm not a lawyer but do know words. The word ARREST, which we commonly think means hauled off to jail, actually just means to STOP. So, if a passenger is stopped for an additional search, pulled out of que, isn't that in fact being arrested?
Thanks for keeping us up to date on this issue. I'm glad Atlanta has an amazingly low crime rate. seems like the local government can save some money by laying off unneeded officers...
I'm assuming you're being sarcastic here. Atlanta's crime rate is so high due to political interference that there's a suburb of Atlanta trying to succeed from Atlanta.
Atlanta made their murder rate especially low so they could qualify for the Olympics. They just wrote in lower numbers in their crime data. Easy peasy! Unfortunately, the real numbers still existed somewhere, and resurfaced a few years later and rose to the top in the U.S. Or something like that.
Send every one of them to prison for life. It's truly that simple. They're knowingly and intentionally using public authority to run a theft racket. They're a de facto gang at this point. The only thing complicating it is that police are allowed to behave with effective impunity in this country.
There is a legal way to send them to the Gaol for life, It is the civil tort of Misfeasance in Public Office and includes personal liability and 9unlimited damages Ashby v White (1703) MISFEASANCE IN PUBLIC OFFICE - WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? Misfeasance is a form of misconduct, and it occurs when a public official, public servant or public body knowingly and willingly acts to cause loss or harm to a third party. For example, this could be through causing a person financial loss, damage to their reputation or personal injury, whilst a ‘public official’ could be any of the following: Member of the police force Member of the armed forces Government minister(Secretaries of Federal and State departments) Local government official Civil servant Prison officer Security agency It’s important to understand that unlike negligence, misfeasance is not causing harm to another as a result of carelessness or lack of judgment. It requires a greater degree of culpability, such as acting to the detriment of another, and abusing power or position of responsibility. The police, government and other state agencies should only ever use their powers for the public good, and though the sentence for misfeasance in public office will depend on the harm caused and the level of responsibility exercised, the maximum penalty is life imprisonment and the personal; payment of unlimitrd damages. Misfeasance in public office is an offence at common law, dating back to the 13th century, whilst it is often grounds for a just cause removal of an elected official by statute or recall election. WHAT BEHAVIOUR RESULTS IN MISFEASANCE? There have been many crimes that have fallen within this offence, including willful excesses of official authority, 'malicious' exercises of official authority and willful neglect of a public duty. The offence can also be caused by intentional infliction of bodily harm, imprisonment, Breach of your civil, constitutional and human rights or other injury upon a person, as well as frauds and deceits. This is a civil tort against those persons in public office! To provide a clearer idea, here are a few examples: A police officer has been willingly dismissive towards another person. A government official has being violent or aggressive towards a third party. A prison officer has made unwanted sexual advances towards another. THE TWO TYPES OF LIABILITY There are two forms of liability for misfeasance or misconduct in public office. The first involves targeted malice by a public officer, so for example this could be conduct specifically intended to injure a person. If a public officer had this intention, it is irrelevant whether they exceeded their power. The second type of liability is when a public officer acts knowing they have no power to do so - and that the act will probably injure a person or persons. Here the element of bad faith arises, so it’s not necessary to show that the public officer acted with the purpose or object of inflicting harm on the claimant. Claims of misfeasance in public office can be complicated and difficult to prove as there is a very high standard of evidence required, however, absolutely no individual is untouchable. So if you, or someone you know, have been a victim of misfeasance in public office, do not refrain from reporting it and taking legal action.
It’s truly sad that I’m more worried about Law Enforcement Officers stealing my money than I am about criminals without a badge robbing me!
I do not carry money. Seriously, I have some cash in the car alone with my vax card, I have a CC and the car keys. Everything else is optional.
I used to carry 300 to 500 dollars and budget that way (I can feel when my lunch and discretionary money is getting low). After finding out about this nonsense, I don’t carry more than a hundred and I just have spend more time making sure my burn rate is working. I bought a $13,000 side by side and I made the guy sign at the bank so I wouldn’t risk getting pulled over with cash.
At least in Mexico the cop only takes about ten percent, which makes them 90% less corrupt.
I'd tell them to F off!
It's consensual! I refuse to assist in any investigation!
The Canadian government has issued travel advisories in the past warning about the police in the USA
They look for Canadian license plates, pull the driver over and ask if they have any money on them
If the Canadian tourist can’t provide evidence they acquired their money legally the cop seizes it.. gambling the Canadian won’t be able to justify the time and money traveling and hiring lawyer for court dates to get the money back
It’s common for Canadians to take out USD prior to going to the USA to do shopping
The American police know this
And see it as an easy target to steal from
Tom Nisen, I like your thinking but that’s where it goes from literal highway robbery to unlawful arrest and excessive use of force. I never carry cash, but I also try to remain friendly and polite. You can assert your rights without pissing them off most of the time. Tone and phrasing have saved my butt more than once. It’s ALWAYS worth taking that extra second to get a deep breath and think of the nicest way to tell them to F off.
This is like a school bully saying that the kid "voluntarily consented" to giving up his lunch money.
This is what I say
Exactly!
Bingo!
If they made it past a checkpoint, they have already been deemed "safe". Why are there any cops inside this safe zone at all?
So, is this the local police telling us TSA is ineffective in their procedures? No matter what, it's bad for us all.
The TSA is total security theater. They really dont stop much of anything. Even so the cops are still just being total assholes.
Most airports have large signs that say that further searches may be conducted inside the "safe" areas.
@@machintelligence by the TSA, maybe, that doesn't give a cop the right to block the way and demand an id.
They can ask, sure.
But they have no legal authority to demand it or detain you as they are clearly doing here
It gives the TSA a chance to red flag passengers for further searches by local law enforcement before they leave the airport.
@@machintelligence Thats about the TSA doin such, which yea, makes sense, as they have cameras watchin you the whole time and if someone sees sus activity by you after a checkpt, theyre gonna further check you to make sure you didnt create or find a makeshift bomb or shiv or a liquid weighin more than two ounces.
That’s so dirty I can’t even come up with a gross analogy for it. You trap people in a narrow space, shake them down for cash, they can board their plane and get home or stay and argue about it, and they call that consensual. How is that any different than being mugged in a dark alley? And to say it’s consensual is just insult to injury. Such disgusting tactics. These oath breakers should be arrested for extortion, theft, robbery, and whatever else they can be charged with. But no… they’ll turn a blind eye
That civil asset forfeiture is one of the sickest things I've ever heard about. That allows cops to do armed robbery legally!
MONEY GOING TO OPERATIONS, RETIREMENT FUNDING OF JUDGES AND POLUCE BY ANY MEANS ACTIVATES LEGAL PRECEDIENT OF PROFFITING FROM ACTS AGAINST CITIZENS. ROBBERY NOT LEGAL EVEN IF A BAD LAW MAKES THEM THINK THEY ARE ALLOWED.
Having them positioned to act as if they are DICTATORS GET RID OF---
They think it's legal it isn't
Why is not against the U.S. Constuction I'll never understand.
@@RobertMattison-pp6ufConstitution* -- which it violates!
@@pablohammerly448 The U.S. Supreme Court says otherwise.
"Qualified Immunity" and "Civil Forfeiture" needs to end
And how are you going to make that happen? By complaining or voting?
^ “JP” here forgot to watch the video prior to commenting, and also isn’t any good at logic - otherwise they would already know that the answer is “sue the living shit out of the police, CREATING CASE LAW WHICH ENDS THE CORRUPT, CONSTITUTION-VIOLATING PRACTICES BY THE POLICE”.
Yeah, but too many people are fine with the police leaning on 1000 citizens to get a handful of criminals off the streets. But for only a few hours usually, and rarely any real sentences for even repeat offenders.
The core of the problem is the judges.
@@jpnewman1688 By holding ALL police responsible for NOT policing the bad actors in their ranks. Not all cops are bad, but the "good" ones permit the bad ones to be cops. This is what it means to defund the police. It is a crime to impersonate a police officer. There are standards of skill and conduct to be a police officer. If the standards are not maintained then it is the fault of all of the rest of the force. Members of an organization that acts in a criminal manner are convicted of the crime of being associated even if they aren't perpetrators. This has been the case for street gangs, mafia, and Nazi members. It should be the same for police until they have expunged their ranks of bad actors and behaves in a manner that earns trust and respect instead of coercing compliance.
Yes complain to local departments and politicians. Complain to police unions and professional associations. People you elect set their funding. Hold them responsible for employing bad actors AND those that permitted, by inaction, those bad actors to flourish. Bad cops are created by their colleagues who let small offences slide. Complain every time a cop "flexes" around you. Support those that hold police to a standard of shill and conduct. Report the reckless speeder to 911 even if they are in a police car.
@@schooltechnology so you still believe the narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths are there to "serve and protect" the sheep, and complain to your masters will help?
Getting stopped and searched by local police during an airport layover is beyond crazy.
Yep. Sooner or later it'll get some cops killed. Steve would fly across the country a few times and make a spectacle of it. I don't have the platform he does. What I do have is the resources to buy a throw away used car, drive across the country buying gas with cash, and use an AR-10 in the way God and the 2nd amendment intended. Hoo rah!
Welcome to America. Land of the sheep and home of the cows.
Well, you see, Atlanta doesn't have any real crime going on, so the police are going to find some.
@@mikehilbert9349 or there's real crime and they're too afraid of getting shot by thuglets. They instead would rather have doctors and engineers, or comedians, come shoot them instead.
We live in a police state.
Once they take your ID and boarding pass, it is NOT "consensual" you have been DETAINED
Don't give it to them.
No you were detained when they stepped in front of you. Once they take a boarding pass you have been arrested as you cannot leave at that point.
they have no right to demand ID, boarding pass etc. not a stop and id state! citizens need to learn their rights.
they didn't take it they gave it to them....
@@timrosencrans7955 They take my ticket and my ID, they are now armed thieves. They will be treated as such.
I moved from America to Japan in early 2015, departing from O'Hare in Chicago. I was carrying all the cash I could scrape together, mostly converted to yen but also in dollars (the exchange shop ran out of yet). It was at least $25k. I refused to let go of it at the TSA entry point, walked through the scanner with it in hand, and actually had to show it to a TSA agent and let them pat me down. The agent was impressed by the wad of yen but let me go on my way.
Every time I see one of Steve's videos about asset forfeiture I thank my lucky stars. At the time, I had no idea that the money could be seized.
do that in Canada and they'll confiscate it and make you go to court to get it back. "policing for profit" exists everywhere and they answer to no one because the city and state governments are afraid of the. cop unions.
@@chronicreaderNot accurate. US law does not require anyone to declare it upon departure from the country only upon arrival into the US. However, ANYTIME you have more than 10k in your possession, it can be taken by law enforcement.
10,000 dollars sets off the metal detector
@@B_Bodziak they can take any amount.
WAit -- isn't an airport considered to be federal property, and as such, local police have no jurisdiction? This means that the airport itself (the FAA) should be held responsible for allowing it. Is it even possible to sue in that case? Thank you for bringing this to the attention of everyone ~
Airports are owned and run by the city and/or county where it sits. The FAA oversees the security screening, ATC, etc, but local police are called for incidents inside the airport and planes and in big airports, like Atlanta's, there's a local PD office inside the airport. In this case, Clayton county PD was the LE doing these checks. I've seen this happen countless times in Atlanta's airport, but I have always assumed these were authorized TSA-connected searches.
My local airport is privately owned. That's how the county commissioners launder their money.
These cops were working for the DEA.
Airport called the cops they work hand-in-hand with the authorities whether it's Federal especially Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms about money but if they have a special deal with the cops in the airport then yet why not local cops get the money just remember that anytime you fly these people will flat out turn you into anybody about personal and private things that you have that are not against the law act accordingly
i once said no to cops who asked to search my car, and i didnt even have anything. they searched my car anyway and found nothing. it was a terrible experience. i hope the comedians in your story win a LOT of money.
Do you still vote?
We all voted. Your mom is the best!
Local sheriff tried that with me once, told him no but he was free to look in the windows and walked off. Don't know what he did after I left.
And did you sue them?
@@jpnewman1688 You think voting will stop police overstepping their authority? Cute. Tell me which of the 2 stupid extremist lying parties I need to sign up for to stop police abuse of power. Go on. Let's hear it.
"I've already cleared thru TSA. You may NOT see my ID." Then don't move aside. Screws up the whole boarding process and hopefully they will piss off the airline and airport staff enough to ask "what exactly are you guys doing here?"
Are you joking??
Take your head out of the sand, these cops wouldn't be there without the airlines and airport knowing.
If they attempt to take you away, point out to the airline employees between the ramp and the gate that if that plane takes off with your checked luggage, you will contact the FAA and NTSB. There are multi thousand-dollar fines against an airline that is caught transporting a passenger's baggage without the passenger. Let that happen a few times and the airlines will take action against the police.
And after they took you away they'll say you followed consensually and just wanted to hang out with them instead of boarding for whatever reason
Ok so to defend the police being there
Could be additional security.
But that is where my defense ENDS.
@@vincentmoore7307hat's not accurate. As long as it's through no purposeful action by the passenger to not be on the same plane as their bag, it doesn't matter unless the flight is going out/into the US as an international flight. That's partially why some people's bags get lost or sent somewhere other than where it was checked to go.
Hopefully, the comedians will have the last laugh.
I am waiting for the amicus brief from The Onion.
But wudnt we want their audiences to have that last laugh? Be a prty borin comedy show if the comedians are always laughin the most at their jokes out of anyone in the venue :P
Perfect verbal response. You dropped this 👑 king.
They are N words. Screw them.
Technically speaking it depends who lives longest
One point may have been overlooked here. Cops typically don't asks for your ID directly, nor if they can search your property. Usually, it's, "Do you have your ID", or in this case boarding pass? This is just to get that first "yes" on the right track.
Next, they'll ask, "Do you mind if I search?" Never "Can I..." This works especially well with non-native speakers, and reasonably well with people not paying close attention. Here, yes actually means no, and no means yes. This is a lovely little trap if the case ever gets to court because a cop can always answer to receiving an affirmative response.
Definitely a method to the madness.
This is why knowing/excercising your rights is SO IMPORTANT..."I don't consent", and asking if you are free to go, proves a non-consensual detainment, and will at least aid in getting the $ that was STOLEN, returned...Yes. This is BS!!! How the SC hasn't ruled this as highly unconstitutional is beyond any comprehemsion...They don't even have jurisdiction to be in the concourse!!! What's next? Knocking on random doors, asking for permission to search for anything over $1000.00 in the house...? "Got a license for that stamp collection???" Wish it was scarcastic, but, it's not; They graduated to stealing $ orders...(which were designed to prevent this...)
@@brentfarvors192 Yes, the game is rigged and not in our favor.
Being that this is happening while under federal purview this is something that our members of Congress in the House and Senate need to be looking into. Asset forfeiture laws need to be abolished and this seems to be another avenue or way for local cops to get at travelers' money and possessions. With all the bad press that police have been getting within the last few years, asset seizures at airports do nothing but further give cops a black eye and in this case deservedly so.
Until the Supreme Court rules that Civil Asset Forfeiture is unconstitutional, this behavior will not end. Why would rapacious local and State governments give up the opportunity to legally engage in theft. I'm not holding my breath for this to go away.
Will it even then though?
I am wheelchair bound and what I have been through at airport security is outrageous. I know as soon as I say I cannot walk thru the x-ray machine it will start. Everytime it is a pat down that is painful and obstrusive. Lately I have told the TSA or police to just do it right next to the line hoping that other people will see what is in store for them if they are in the same position. I am a disabled vet from the Vietnam era and it never got this bad until about 12 years ago. We have given up travel as much as possible since what would happen if they said no way can you get on your plane. Things have gone crazy.
@david bates: I always refuse the Chertoff machine - just because I can - and opt for the pat down instead. Certain parts of the body (not the parts you might assume) are NEVER searched in the pat down. The whole airport security protocol is IMO what one actual security expert calls,"security theater": little actual security, just a show to make the masses feel safe. If these guys are hurting you in the search is is because you are inconveniencing them by not just marching through with the rest of the sheeple.
Thank you for your service.
This. So many people with chronic health issues or disabilities are forced into intrusive body searches, and I've seen people with (for example) stomas, wearing medical devices, or those with catheters etc, being forced to explain themselves. Not only that, but there was a story just recently where a woman had to drag herself down the aisle of the aircraft to use the toilet because the company refused to utilise an aisle chair, and told her she should have either gone before getting on the plane, hold it, or wear a diaper. The number of people who have had their expensive mobility aids damaged in airports and on planes, or worse, had them LOST, refused access to disabled spaces because able-bodied people are using them (for shopping, luggage or infant strollers) even though they're protected by law, or who have ended up having to urinate on themselves because they're prevented access to disabled toilets is absolutely disgusting, and this whole thing is just another example of how systemic ableism is.
I hope they thanked you for your service and sacrifice while violating your rights and robbing you .
Thank good ol George the NAZI Bush and his crony Cheny for their masterful heist of TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS on 9/11/2001 and the subsequent 'Patriot Act' that destroyed our constitution and our rights and allowed them to destroy WE THE PEOPLE piecemeal, over the years.
@@JustAnotherBuckyLover do you vote? Do you consider yourself a "patriot"?
A lot can be learned from those 1A guys, just keep walking until they stop you and tell you, you are detained, at that point they cannot say it was voluntary, and now you have a lot of protections.
The 1A community is where we can gain the numbers needed to make a stand. I follow several & make this comment frequently.
Also, the very simple question "Am I free to go?" is the way to draw the line between consensual participation and coerced detention. Doughnut dumpsters will go ahead and cross the line, but I believe it unwise to challenge them to articulate their suspicion of your wrongdoing. Let them hang themselves, then take all the facts into court. When they never demonstrate reasonable suspicion, they're "had."
This country puts cops on a pedestal so high up that they forget how much power they have. Don't look at them as just cops. Thier packing heat and can handcuff anyone anywhere minus federal installations like military bases. Only in those locations and outside the country are cops actually not allowed, because the military has tanks, predator drones and attack aircraft.
The problem in this case is the jetbridge is so narrow you cannot "just keep walking" without pushing past them and making physical contact, at which point they arrest you for assault.
My thoughts exactly! Who is allowing local police to search passengers even AFTER being screened by TSA?
Payola, kickback, cut of the action
Props to Eric Andre for going thru the effort to do this
The worst part of this is that those cops are doing that in that area because they aren't being filmed.
You are right film the police
@@judykey2472 But nobody films in the jetway. I believe Jed was referring to the fact that most, if not all, jetways don't have cameras in them. Whereas most of the rest of the airport is covered with cameras at all times.
I would hope the LEO's have body camera on including the mic some cops like to shut off the mic and if these cops were looking for money, they would need to go too the international flights, that's where the largest sums would most likely be, people going on vacation
Body camera's are needed by All officers.
@@The_Real_Grand_Nagus Not in the jetway.
Thanks. I’ll be flying through Atlanta next week. Im a retired police officer and things like this give all police officers a bad name. This is a systematic breakdown of the system and is not what asset forfeitures were meant for….. they need to go away
Film whatever you can, foia the rest.👍
@@phiddlephart7026 Even of just to capture the audio, yeah, doing that would have been my first action, body cams, if present can "magically" be erased
I live in atlanta. Clayton County is pretty much a fiasco from what I see as far as I can tell
Insane... Simply insane! It's quite clear this is a shakedown from the cops, no matter how you want to phrase it... 🤔
Headline: Clayton Crips Cops Collect Cash!
Does anyone remember Al Capone? Everyone was 'on the take', cops included. It took the Feds to stop it. Here the Feds turn a blind eye.
@@pplusbthrust The Feds aren't turning a blind eye, they're willing accomplices. If the cops want to turn it over to the Feds, it's even harder to get your money back.
@@pplusbthrust actually, most feds were on the take too... It took one honest cop, Elliot Ness to get things going in the right direction! Sadly, not enough checks and balances were put in to keep the law honest and here we are! 🙄
@@RobertForslund Wealth & power. The tools in the devils workshop.
This happened to a teenage rapper when a bag belonging to someone in his group smelled like weed. There wasn't any in the bag, it just smelled like it. They stopped them in in the same area, the boarding path, and had the contents of the bag strewn all over the place while searching it. They wanted the kid to say the bag was his when it wasn't, then arrested him for disorderly conduct for raising his voice while arguing with them.
Back when I flew every week I was a positive name match for the no fly list. For 2 years it was a huge PITA. Every boarding pass would get the 4 S stamp, meaning I got the maximum search , often not just at the checkpoint but again at the gate. This is after the airline took my ID to the TSA and verified I wasn't the guy who was banned.
"But the fact that you won't consent to a search obviously can't rise to the level of creating a suspicion that would then let them search you."
I remember the video you did where the Pennsylvania State Police did exactly that to people they were stopping on the road. And that one of the criteria they used to pull people over was obeying the speed limit.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket The PSP really bent over backwards trying to get to search people's vehicles. "They were obeying the law! That's suspicious! They cooperated when we pulled them over! That's suspicious!"
I drive 70 on the freeway, the speed limit. Most people pass me but that is OK. I have what I consider a good excuse though, my truck gets much worse gas mileage above 70. So I am simply being frugal and trying to save a buck. I have been passed by many state patrol officers and I always look at them. They are not paying any attention to me, they are looking for people going 90 to 100+
If youre tall, youre a likely criminal bcuz you can climb fences to get into others property. If youre small, youre a likely criminal bcuz you can hide in small spaces and sneak thru small spaces others cant get thru, to steal stuff.
And worst of all, if youre middle sized then youre the most suspicious bcuz you can easily blend in with a crowd thats mostly your height, after stealin stuff.
@@SylviaRustyFae And all that is comedy Script-worthy. Yes, ironic, isn't it!
Remember their packing heat and your not. Cops have absolute power. No group at that point has any authority over them. Not one of these cops has been handcuffed and criminally charged and convicted. Until cops serve time behind bars for certain actions they will continue using their absolute power.
It boils my blood every time I hear about asset forfeiture. I have talked to a state representative about it who is an interstate business owner and they have concerns as well .
Good now dog that state representative with a coalition of people complaining and get the local news on it and turn up the pressure to high. If he/she shows concern then take FULL advantage and turn that into legislation.
You have an opportunity to MAKE something good happen. Please please take advantage and do that.
They can express concern all day, what are they DOING about it?
But still nobody does anything about it! Have you all been so brow-beaten? (I must practise saying "no. I do not consent to my belongings being searched. It has already be done. For what reason are you detaining me? Are you arresting me? Then please move out of my way.) Would that work?
They have "concerns" do they? Well that's just special. What actions have they taken to address those concerns? This isn't a new problem. This has been going on for years in flagrant disregard of the constitution. Fun fact: people having their shit stolen by the local authorities is one of the things we fought a war over in the late 18th century.
@@Serin9X so you expect narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths to hold each other accountable to the sheep and obey the constitution?
I am still amazed at how I mention civil asset forfeiture often and yet most people I mention it too have never heard of it. And among the people who have never heard of it, they don’t believe me that is a thing because it sounds so outrageous.
Keep spreading awareness. 👍
And mainstream news so seldom mentions it.
Even other cops. Perhaps I explained it poorly but a trooper friend of mine didn't believe it was a thing, because Ma has criminal asset forfeiture, which most of us agree with. The idea that your stuff can just be taken outside of the conventional means of due process is very difficult for ppl to accept, and I understand why. Who in their right mind would be ok with the idea that the state can just take your stuff, and it be an acceptable defense that the stuff is what is suspicious but not the owner. It defies logic and common sense for how ppl are taught to conceptualize due process.
I and the trooper friend got pretty heated because he asked me to cite the law, well that's the issue, there is a the constitution saying they can't do this, but also a law saying except under these ambiguous circumstances, that doesn't say they can, but gives direction on how and why it's against the stuff while the constitution and other laws pertain to the person. Ppl just get so confused the more they hear about it that they can't process the contradictions.
Tellers at my bank have never heard of it. Nor my postmaster.
I have sent out links to steve's videos on that subject many times. I ask people what they think later and they are almost without words they are so displeased and irritated over this.
Thank you for all you do Steve. I really can't thank you enough. You're doing a very important service for your countrymen.
They tried this with me on a layover/transfer to another plane. (If you can believe that) I refused ID and boarding pass as one is protected under probable cause and the other is personal property. I was told they had the right.... I asked what their probable cause was, and they said have a nice day. 😡🤬 BTW never carry cash when traveling, credit card is the only way to fly.
Not very surprising unfortunately. It seems like 90% of modern law enforcement is nothing more than fishing exercises in violation of rights.
Now I want to start naming types of fish when the cop starts to talk to me. Maybe they're looking for a catfish, or salmon, perhaps a bluefin tuna... So many red herrings they end up with on these fishing trips, but they'll take what they can, I suppose.
The airlines should be concerned this is happening on their gangway as it most certainly leaves a bad impression on the customer. If you know this happens at a certain airport I would imagine people would want to avoid that airport and the airlines that use them as hubs.
I actively avoided United at a particular airport after repeat searches at the gate. It never happened with Delta there, so I have to imagine the airline has to approve of it.
I very much doubt the airlines are aware of it, let alone approve it. All roads lead to Atlanta when you fly Delta to the east coast. I will avoid Atlanta airport like the plague moving forward.
Really??
@@loismiller2830 How could they not be aware of it? The cops have to walk past the boarding desk to get into the passageway, unless they came up from the tarmac, where the ground crew would see them (not sure if they belong to the airline or not).
I am sure the airlines could tell them to get lost and not allow them in the jetway.
Wow, they shook down a million dollars standing at the gate at the airport.
If you have no traveling money what is the use of taking the trip.
I suspect the TSA told them which persons where carrying cash.
@@alphagt62 No, the TSA probably would have taken it themselves.
Thanks for bringing the Institute for justice to our attention...I am now a supporter...great work.
This is outrageous, end civil forfeiture. Wait at least until the person is charged, tried and convicted to take their money!
It's really sad in our society today that we actually have to stand up and fight against such corruption towards the people who are supposed to be protecting us
"Protect themselves and Serve stick to us" - Paris (a rapper)
Sad, but common place......Citizens need to bring this to the attention of elected officials.
Protection is NOT a LEO obligation !!! You are uninformed. Remember "Serve and Protect", that has been removed from ALL LEO vehicles.
@@toriless who stated it was an obligation? Think you have "uninformed" yourself by means of being presumptuous.. "supposed to" and "obligation" are two completely different things. Either way what child grows up saying I want to harass people and hand out fines for a living? I think most grow up under the impression of I want to protect people and make the world a better place
They stopped serving amd protecting a long long time ago!
Uvalde TX comes to mind.
When seconds count, cops are only minutes away.
They always show up after.
I would add if they force you to miss your plane that could be considered an unlawful detainment and or arrest
People must know their rights. “What crime have I committed?”
“I do not answer questions”
“I want a lawyer”
While standing in the way of everyone. I will not move out of the way unless I’m arrested and you are moving me to a new location. If I’m detained, I will stand here until I’m no longer detained. Simple.
Do they even have jurisdiction inside the airport, isn't that the port authority's responsibility?
@@tissuepaper9962 that was my question
@@Meatball2022 mine too
@@tissuepaper9962 the airport should have never allowed them to use their facilities for shakedowns.
@@tissuepaper9962 it’s within city limits and done “voluntary” because people trust police. #1 thing. Don’t talk to cops!!!
5th Amendment
I don’t answer questions!
I want a lawyer!
That’s it, yes they will arrest you because they can, but you will win and probably get settlement for false arrest.
Absolutely shocking and makes me not want to travel to the US for a vacation. When travelling with my family holding couple of thousand buck in spending money is quite normal and the thought that the government could just confiscate it without cause is just theft and deeply concerning
Traveller's cheques might be safer. But I wonder if the pigs might steal those?
Considering how many stories include TSA informing the local cops about who was carrying cash, I would highly suspect that was happening at Atlanta too. Also from other stories, we can assume that they probably averaged a 20% take on that million dollars. That is enough for a full time cop and some extras.
I heard this story from Eric Andre shortly after it happened. Thank you so much Steve for covering this story. I’m glad to hear these guys are bringing not just a lawsuit, but much more needed attention to this bogus, outdated, and tyrannical practice. It needs to be stopped.
Eric andre is mulatto he is not black
They've already been searched by TSA and still have the local police steal from them.
Everyone is involved in these shenanigans. Everyone gets a cut
This is part of why the LEO community has lost respect. ...and yet they insists they are the good guys.
In my country if you have checked luggage on the plane it cannot take off without you. That means about an hour to find and remove your luggage before it can take off. It happened at two airports on Tuesday which led to 20 domestic flights within the country being cancelled due to the disruption.
Wow! In the U.S., your checked luggage is not necessarily on your plane. You just hope it's at your destination airport when you get there.
Actually, the U.S. has similar rules, but the penalty is a fine against the airline. If a passenger's luggage is transported without the passenger, the airline is assessed a fine of several thousand dollars. Of course, the federal authorities have to be made aware of the violation for the fine to be assessed.
I live in Atlanta and have been searched EVERY time by black agents at the airport when I fly.
If you say no and they arrest you, wonder how the "voluntary" line would hold.
"...can't take your stuff without 'due process'."
Tell that to the Allegheny County, PA Sheriff Department!
Who the hell carries their prescription, the paper from the doctor, with them everywhere they go? Seems like an unreasonable expectation as it is not a legal requirement to carry both the pills and the medical documentation with you at all times.
Edit: So a scenario was pointed out where the drugs might not be in the bottle from the pharmacy. For example, in a ziplock bag or maybe a daily dosage / morning and night type of container where someone who needs to take several pills on a strict schedule preloads their week's supply. In such cases they would not have the pharmacy bottle with them probably, not for a short trip at least.
Any time a doctor gave me a prescription, when I had it filled the pharmacy took it. Then only thing I got was a receipt when I paid for it. At least where I live, they print your name on the label they put on the bottle. That's the proof it's yours.
Here where I live in Canada I give the paper prescription to the pharmacy and they have to keep it for their records that a Dr prescribed medication they are dispensing. I guess I could make a copy but I'm not sure if this is illegal?
In the UK you get a prescription form to take to the Pharmacy, and you give it to the Pharmacist: you don't get it back!
Some states have laws that your prescriptions must be kept in their original container. I imagine the prescription label is what they're referring to.
My doctor sends the prescription directly to the CVS pharmacy through some electronic means. I never see it. I don't even know if it ever goes to paper.
I am a white old lady and I do not fly through Atlanta because I saw this happen. These cops know that people are trying to get on the plane so will cooperate in order to get on their way. Clayton Co cops know this and these bullying illegal stops needs to be outlawed.
Sherif to deputy: Hey deputy, go to the airport and go search some bags as people are boarding. Take any money you find. We need some new equipment for our recreation room. The mayor said he will not approve money for our daiquiri machine.
Just do away with civil asset forfeiture outright. At the very least until an actual conviction is obtained, and ONLY assents that are PROVEN to be linked to a crime.
Then it wouldn't be civil asset forfeiture, it would be criminal asset forfeiture. You had it right the first time. We should completely do away with civil asset forfeiture.
We all need to put pressure on our politicians to make CAF illegal. Maine did it not too long ago.
@@bott3849 I just had politician representative stop at my door Monday. I did like Steve says and ask about position on civil asset forfeiture. I also asked about qualified immunity and they had no clue of either topic. I gave her a 20 minute lesson on both. A bit on her other rights too of not having to identify to police unless suspected of a crime except while driving, her right to remain silent and not answering questions. She was clueless on those topics too.
That wound be criminal asset forfeiture which has been around for decades.
Great points, Steve! One other problem with having cops inside the TSA area is now there are firearms beyond that area as well. Every cop is taught that in every encounter they have a gun is present; theirs! And who in the world would think that being detained by an armed uniformed officer is in any way consensual? I sure hope these guy win this lawsuit!
I'm glad your helping these guys bring this to attention.
You have connections in the legal world, maybe it's time to pool the legal brains and resources.
Every TV station has an investigative reporter, they all need to get on board.
Now is a really good time to get your state representative to do this. One person got $760 forfeited that’s not a lot of money.
They are just closing down the use of cash we might as well face it.
and leave regular citizens like you out of it
@@cybersal7 The cops have stolen $68 BILLION from US citizens who have not committed any crime. Contribute to Institute for Justice. And write to your congressmen emphatically. Those scum want to ignore this robbery at gunpoint because they all get some of the money. I have not gotten one single response from 6 different politicians that "represent" me to date.
“Am I being detained, and is that a lawful order?”
Police: You can either voluntarily consent to the search or you can be arrested for obstruction. Choose wisely… 🙄
Comedians draw from their own life experiences for material, so we'll no doubt be treated to hearing about this incident in a future comedy bit. That sheriff deserves to be famous, especially when he's next up for reelection.
The problem is that the people who voted for him would probably say "Good! He's keeping these dangerous people from carrying money that was maybe used in the drug trade or something! Better safe than sorry!!!" Of course, they have essentially a 0% chance of it happening to them, so why should they care?
Comedians should offer to do a free show near the county seat and tell some crazy jokes about the Sheriff down the street
Do we know that it was county deputies that were at the airport or was it city police? If it was city police then their Sheriff has nothing to do with this issue.
Correction - 'infamous'.
Lol, I have worked in international forwarding in Germany for years and had mainly worked on shipments from and to the US. I can tell you right now, if the Atlanta Police WANTED to find drugs, they wouldn't be searching passengers but the goods warehouses. Passengers hardly carry anything but their own "consumables", but shipments can easily been switched even if under customs control, as long as you know how to do it (and the workers at the warehouses do know how). But drugs have to be destroyed when seized, money can be "repurposed".
Drug dealers don't move money in cash anymore, that's what bitcoin is for. Drug smugglers don't smuggle on persons but on "mislabled shipments", or with mules. These searches have no other reason then to seize money from travelers, and since these people are moving away from Atlanta, suing for their property to be returned is going to be more expensive.
I actually have experience with denying a search, then being told I'm behaving suspiciously and being searched anyways while walking home one day. They couldn't find anything illegal in my bag, so they arrested me for the pocket knife I had on me and claiming it to be an illegal weapon. After being locked up for 93 days, I finally step into the courtroom and meet my court appointed attorney, who ignores what I have to say and enters a guilty plea. I object since I have never even spoken to this attorney, and the judge ignores me, accepting the plea from my public counsel. This happened in 2004 in Odessa Texas.
Wow. Not surprising though.
I would have filed a complaint against the attorney representing me with the Texas bar association. He or she had no right to enter a guilty plea on your behalf, without your consent. I also feel you should have spoken up and shouted, "I plead NOT guilty!!" when your attorney entered the guilty plea, if for no other reason than to get it into the transcript. I would also have looked for an attorney willing to appeal my "conviction". If the police were claiming your refusal to consent to a search was what made you suspicious enough to be searched involuntarily, then you likely had your 4th amendment rights violated.
@@vincentmoore7307 the sad part is? I did shout that, and was completely ignored. This was Odessa texas in the early 2000s, city was corrupt as hell.
EDIT: found a video showing just how corrupt the city was back then, search for cop busters lackluster and watch the video about cops raiding a fake grow house.
Steve, if everything is as you say, this is ridiculous. I've been through the Atlanta Airport exactly twice, the last being in 1992. On that occasion, the remnants of Hurricane Andrew were sitting over the Atlanta Airport. My flight was cancelled a few times, delayed a couple more, forced to return to the hangar for a mechanical problem, taxied out to the runway, and all west-bound take-offs were suspended for an indefinite time, delaying my arrival at my destination until after 10:00 p.m. I think Civil Asset Forfeiture is wrong in far too many instances. More drugs are transported by highway, including, I presume, commercial trucks. I don't have an answer to this dilemma. If someone confiscated my cash, I'd be in serious trouble. My income consists of Social Security, but I do sometimes carry a couple of hundred dollars in cash when traveling. I worked as legal support staff for more than 40 years, and I still believe in the law, but these instances are wrong. Skin color does NOT define a person's character and that's what makes civil asset forfeiture WRONG.
I spent 7 years as a young child in Clayton County in the 1950s. My parents couldn't get us out of there fast enough. The school system was horrid and that county has been the pits ever since then. Rotten police department mostly followed by corrupt politicians and then high crime and lousy schools. That county is the worst county in Georgia and Georgia isn't the greatest state in the union. And nobody seems to be able to do anything about it or nobody cares to do anything about it, so I'm pleased that these comedians have chosen to call them out and bring attention to the sleaze in Clayton County, Georgia.
The law needs to change in such a way where if a person sues for unlawful seizure of money and or property like in this story and sues and WINS gets their money back, AND gets reimbursed for other expenses incurred trying to get their money back AND gets a generous extra amount of money as compensation for pain and suffering AND the money comes out of the pension fund for the same police department that did the search.
So much for this being a free country.
Freedom is lie, we only have temporary permissions. Just ask George Takei about what rights he had in his prison camp for being asian.
@@toriless I suppose that is true. When I turned 18, I had to register for the military draft. When I dropped out of college, I was drafted into the army most likely to go to Vietnam. If I failed to show up I’d be jailed. Fortunately, I failed the draft physical (for having flat feet) and sent home. I’m sure I would be jailed if I didn’t pay my income tax, forgot to pay for my car’s registrations, or to renew my drivers license. My house would be taken if I didn’t pay property taxes. I might be jailed for contempt of court if I didn’t rise when the Judge came in or left the courtroom. I’m sure there are other things I can’t think of right now. Freedom is relative and it must be guarded jealously.
Two things, referring to how to handle situations like this. I didn't know any of this crap when I was younger, but one thing police videos have convinced me of is that I was dangerously fortunate, and one bad police interaction from getting my life screwed up.
1. Ask "Am I free to go?" The reason you may want to ask this is because people are more likely to say "yes." If the officer says "No", then ask the question again in its rephrased form, "Am I being detained?" You simpli say that, but if the officer answers no to both questions, let's just say he's going to look like an idiot in your civil rights lawsuit.
If answer about being detained is yes it never hurts to ask "What crime am I suspected of?" In almost all states the officer is not required to articulate that to you at that point, but it is surprising the number of officers that will hang themselves when copsplaining it to you.
This all serves the double purpose of clearly establishing that this was an involuntary interaction, and also now means that invoking your 4th and 5th Amendment rights can no longer in a court proceeding be considered suspicious, but instead are a person under police detention, which indicates typically reasonably articulated suspicion in theory, being investigated for a crime. Which is why it's very advisable to add "I want to speak to a lawyer before I answer any questions."
BTW invoking any constitutional right is not supposed to be considered suspicious, but I'm talking about the (im)plausible deniability that police in a situation like this are looking to hang their seizure on. Also note that traffic stops have somewhat different rules, because you are already seized as soon as you were stopped.
2. Georgia is sorta and sorta not a stop and identify state. They do have, and I've posted the first roughly half of it at the end of this, an anti-loitering law that bootstraps refusing to identify as suspicious, and then says the officer must give you a chance to dispel his suspicions. But that's the second element.
The first element requires you being somewhere you shouldn't be. Which is obviously absurd in this context.
For other stop and identify states, watch several of the videos where people have stood up for their rights. Remember though, that many police in states like that will then just simply arrest you for non-compliance. If you can afford a lawyer you can get it dismissed, but now you have to fight over in arrest record. I am not telling you not to, because people who stand up for the rights like the two comedians here help all of our rights. I'm just adding the caveat you need to understand how much grief, money, and time standing up for your rights in a stop and identify state can entail.
Official code of Georgia, annotated.
16-11-36. Loitering or prowling.
(a) A person commits the offense of loitering or prowling when he is in a place at a time or in a manner not usual for law-abiding individuals under circumstances that warrant a justifiable and reasonable alarm or immediate concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity.
(b) Among the circumstances which may be considered in determining whether alarm is warranted is the fact that the person takes flight upon the appearance of a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself, or manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or any object. Unless flight by the person or other circumstances make it impracticable, a law enforcement officer shall, prior to any arrest for an offense under this Code section, afford the person an opportunity to dispel any alarm or immediate concern which would otherwise be warranted by requesting the person to identify himself and explain his presence and conduct...
That's a lot for sheep to remember and do, especially under stress.
Who gave power and money to the narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths to write bad laws and abuse the sheep?
I now carry a lawyers card in my wallet. Much like a gun or umbrella, hoping to not need it.
@@toriless how did the sheep dogs get the power to abuse the sheep?
@@jpnewman1688 not me, 90 plus percent of the people I've voted for didn't get into office. Also, I don't live in Georgia, so I have no say in local laws there. This is one the dumbest takes I've ever seen.
Let's talk about "random". I'm over 70 and I get the TSA special body search every single time. I have a metal knee but why does the fancy total body scanner insist I've got a suspicious elbow?
Atlanta airport is the only place I've ever traveled through that had armoured police armed with automatic weapons watching passengers in the security line. This was maybe 2014. Still don't know why Atlanta is so scared of passengers.
Steve, he IS speaking for you. If it can happen to him, it WILL eventually happen to you. If you think it can't, you're not paying attention.
Absolutely insane that they seized up to $1,000,000 of assets and they only have two pathetic convictions for it. When people realize their rights to deny searches, they will push for laws that punish you more for denying searches than what you would be charged with.
Only 2 were charged. Steve didn't mention that they were convicted so for all we know those 2 might not even be guilty of anything.
@@I.am.Sarah. The 2 that were charged were of the 3 that ended up having any kind of contraband though (if you're excluding cash...)
@@Vamooso I never possess a prescription for my medications, they send it to the pharmacy, is this 1970? No MD writes prescriptions and you have to turn those in to get it. This claim make 0% sense. NO ONE has a prescription on them AND the medication! That is insane !!! I have had some schedule 1 drugs, so I know, doctors do not take chance with medications. The only time I had a sketchy situation was from a dentist which is why I wanted a written prescription so I could never use it. I never did.
@@toriless The prescription information is always on the bottle the medications are held in. What he meant is that they had their pills in something other than the container they came in.
It's a shakedown. It's unamerican
I was once stopped and searched in the gangway for a connecting flight at CDG airport in Paris in the same manner. As a visitor in a foreign country, I had no idea of my rights.
I’m sure many travelers from Europe connecting through Atlanta are easy prey to this shake down.
One more reason to avoid Mexico and Canada.
Aaah, CDG... I deliberately avoid it.
That's the idea.
I don't think there is anything resembling a 4th amendment in France. Cops sit by the side of the road, motion to motorists to pull over, check license, registration, etc. If you're being asked by the "Douanes" which is customs, then prepare to spread your ass cheeks.
People should be able to get double or triple their money back if it is seized without criminal charges.
I could walk through with a million dollars in crypto on my keychain and they would never know it's there. but you don't need to carry any device, it's on a blockchain. you just recover it at your destination.. or right on the plane, if you can get online 😉
Well said! Thank you
When he travels, My brother mails money orders made out to himself. He mails the backup copy to me. He also buys gift cards to himself. He carries very little cash into airports.
What is their probable cause to stop them? It’s just a money shake down of honest people.
It's "consensual", no probable cause needed.
Sounds about right for Atlanta police, this reminds me of the old days where people had to pay "protection" money or get shaken down and roughed up.
You got it right. Wealth & power rules. 3rd world tactics have arrived in the USA.
And I the old days when it didn't matter if you paid protection money. Highway robbery stays highway robbery and misuse of power the perrogative of an autoritarian State and corrupt systems .
Usually protection is paid to gangsters, OH, wait these are cops so no difference.
I would venture to say there was communications between TSA agents and the Clayton County Sheriffs officers regarding stopped passengers.
Yeah, I've heard of TSA tipping off local police about money before.
I was traveling through Iowa headed to a funeral in Chicago. I was pulled over on the interstate for looking suspicious. Whatever that means. Keep in mind I had two children and my mother-in-law with me.
They separated me and my mother-in-law and grilled us on where we were going. I told them a funeral. They made us get out of the car while they thoroughly searched it. They put me in the back of the cop car, for my protection they said.
I of course had nothing they were looking for.
I think they were looking for pot. Pot is legal here in Nevada. Although I don't smoke it.
I'm getting quite tired of cops overstepping their bounds. The cops better hope I'm not chosen for a jury.
Why isn't the FAA doing anything about this? Once you cross that TSA threshold, it should be FEDERAL laws and not state, county, or city laws.
Blacks account for less than 20% of the population but 50% of searches ? That's profiling.
i think in Atlanta its more like 50%
Thank you Steve, Eric and Clayton for raising awareness about this horrible situation in Atlanta!.
This is one of the many reasons I avoid flying like the plague.
Amen
I try to, it was so long the had stopped doing the shoes BS which is magically back. Probably just to humiliate you. I use to carry a lot of computer equipment. I expect to be hassled. Nope, it is a LOT worse now. Go barefoot with no belt is my advice.
Let's phrase the problem differently. The TSA search is obtrusive, but you can get to the airport early so that you can make your flight. When you get to the jetway, you are under extreme pressure to get on the plane on time. You literally do NOT have time to negotiate your rights with a policeman during that time.
We need to get rid of Civil Asset Forfeiture and Qualified Immunity and then force Law Enforcement Officers and Officials to have to purchase Maplpractice Insurance. When they commit a case of Malpractice, Jack their rates sky high and allow only so many payouts for violations, cancel their coverage and require them to carry said Malpractice Insurance to practice their jobs. No Insurance, no certification. Make it a Federal Requirement.
First thing I thought of when you started explaining was that people who would normally argue with the police, would be more inclined to choose to comply due to fears of being added to the No fly list
Good point!👍👍
We really need a few sheriffs that civil asset forfiture politicians and judges. I bet it goes away really fast then.
Yeah, they need to steal from the people they won't even give a traffic ticket to. Good thinking.
Why would they stop doing something that benefits them? Cops won't stop until someone forces them.
Years ago on vacation in Egypt I was boarding a plane back to Cairo. I passed noiselessly through the metal detector yet an Egyptian policeman there took me aside, patted me down, and instructed me to take out my wallet. Then he leaned in and informed me that "a gentleman would hand over a little baksheesh" I remember thinking how this kind of crap would never happen in America. Yea....no.
@Theodore Olson: ... "I've never been accused of being a gentleman before."
From what I've heard online and from friends who've been there, the level of corruption in Egypt is an order of magnitude worse than most other places. Although considering the recent outrageous incidents of civil asset forfeiture in the U.S., the gap is rapidly narrowing.
@@kimlground206 "I may be gentle and a may be a man but please do not call me a gentleman." - me
In those kinds of places, it's routine and part of doing business. If I understand correctly, this kind of "gift" is expected from everybody, not discriminatory (or at least, from everybody who looks like they have money). Also, the government agents who do this are often underpaid by their employer. Furthermore, I don't think there is actually statutory law and court cases allowing it. It's just corruption, plain and simple. Whereas the governmental theft going on in the U.S. is actually supported by existing law, and monetary "gifts" being requested by individual officers for their own wallets is not, as far as I know, a widespread occurrence. So in a way, it's worse here-- because it's legal (but unconstitutional).
Yeah, here they want ALL your baksheesh.
I applaud Andre and Clayton for standing up against this kind of abuse by law enforcement. And, I am in total agreement that the civil acts forfeiture activity law enforcement jams down out throats has got to be stopped, or at the very least controlled where it is not difficult to retrieve money seized - better yet to stop any such seizures unless done in conjunction with a conviction showing the funds seized were clearly in the possession of the convict as part of his/her criminal activity. I so much despise abuse like what has been presented in this presentation. I would think we are better than this as a society. Apparently not.
"So you stopped 400 people and only got 3 contraband?" "To be honest we thought we would get more than that"
Agree with your sentiment 100%. The only way to stop this is to make it legally and financially unsustainable for departments to continue this practice.
IOW, keep suing the hell out of the terminal operators...
You made kind of a great point and passed by it Steve.....why isn't anything past the TSA checkpoint considered Federal property?!? Wouldn't that make at least part of their process a little more difficult
Someone has to have police authority in the airport on both sides of TSA.
Airport ownership and operations ,besides the TSA, are run by some governing body. In Pittsburgh it's the county so we have county police.
Of course no one saying it's right but just how it works.
This police authority has found a unique way of gaining "consent" by putting you in a situation where you can be late for your plane and also the peer pressure from those behind you to just comply.
If you shoplift a very expensive pack of gum it's not going to be federal marshals taking you into custody.
Because, airports are not federal property. Before the TSA, airport checkpoints were run by the state or local authorities, sometimes airport special police.
@@ScottMStolz yes as I recall 9/11 created the TSA and took airport security out of the hands of the local authorities.
Since civil asset forfeiture (i.e. theft by the government) is lucrative, the county is not likely to respond to public pressure. So the airport authority and the airlines should exercise their finical might by escrowing any taxes or fees owed to the county until the practice ceases and all money where there was no criminal conviction is returned.
Thanks for the info. Steve.
Live in Oz, I don’t recall this ever happening when travelling interstate. I also don’t carry my prescriptions with me. In a true Aussie reply the average man would tell the cops to Piss Off🇦🇺
I'd love to subpoena every cop in that department to find out if there were ever instructions to stop people in that specific location because they'd be more stressed into giving their permission.
Thanks for the video. I didn't know this was happening. Certainly won't be answering questions or allowing searches of my stuff past the TSA line at Atlanta should I be asked.
You got a warrant? No? Well I'll be waiting for one before I hand over my stuff. When you get one, you can find me in seat 24C, and I won't move from there. The plane, though...
They literally could have talked to the DEA for advice and they chooses to screw this up like local law enforcement seems to do. The DEA would have probably told them it's a bad idea.
Why? It’s worked exactly how they wanted it, for a long time.
The DEA invented it back in the 80s. Except they were doing it on trains. Apparently, drug traffickers started moving drugs and money on trains to avoid air travel searches and traffic stops on highways. The agents would ask for consent to search while passengers were on the train. Basically, they would approach passengers, identify themselves, and just ask for consent to search. If no consent was given they would move on. If consent was given then they’d search. I don’t recall what methods were used to determine whether or not to seize cash. Also, I don’t remember what laws were in effect concerning asset forfeiture. But, I know that asset forfeiture laws have written to make it easy to seize cash because politicians love that sort of revenue. It isn’t a tax and the people affected are “criminals” so society in general doesn’t complain. I used to think asset forfeiture was a good thing for fighting crime. But, like I said it’s a revenue stream and it’s affecting innocent people far too often.
I'm not a lawyer but do know words. The word ARREST, which we commonly think means hauled off to jail, actually just means to STOP. So, if a passenger is stopped for an additional search, pulled out of que, isn't that in fact being arrested?
If you’ve ever doubted that we are in a police state this should prove we are.
I wish your message was heard by more Citizens!! Exercising your rights is scary as f when the person asking has the gun
Thanks for keeping us up to date on this issue. I'm glad Atlanta has an amazingly low crime rate. seems like the local government can save some money by laying off unneeded officers...
I'm assuming you're being sarcastic here. Atlanta's crime rate is so high due to political interference that there's a suburb of Atlanta trying to succeed from Atlanta.
Atlanta made their murder rate especially low so they could qualify for the Olympics. They just wrote in lower numbers in their crime data. Easy peasy! Unfortunately, the real numbers still existed somewhere, and resurfaced a few years later and rose to the top in the U.S. Or something like that.
Send every one of them to prison for life. It's truly that simple. They're knowingly and intentionally using public authority to run a theft racket. They're a de facto gang at this point.
The only thing complicating it is that police are allowed to behave with effective impunity in this country.
There is a legal way to send them to the Gaol for life, It is the civil tort of Misfeasance in Public Office and includes personal liability and 9unlimited damages
Ashby v White (1703)
MISFEASANCE IN PUBLIC OFFICE - WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
Misfeasance is a form of misconduct, and it occurs when a public official, public servant or public body knowingly and willingly acts to cause loss or harm to a third party.
For example, this could be through causing a person financial loss, damage to their reputation or personal injury, whilst a ‘public official’ could be any of the following:
Member of the police force
Member of the armed forces
Government minister(Secretaries of Federal and State departments)
Local government official
Civil servant
Prison officer
Security agency
It’s important to understand that unlike negligence, misfeasance is not causing harm to another as a result of carelessness or lack of judgment. It requires a greater degree of culpability, such as acting to the detriment of another, and abusing power or position of responsibility.
The police, government and other state agencies should only ever use their powers for the public good, and though the sentence for misfeasance in public office will depend on the harm caused and the level of responsibility exercised, the maximum penalty is life imprisonment and the personal; payment of unlimitrd damages.
Misfeasance in public office is an offence at common law, dating back to the 13th century, whilst it is often grounds for a just cause removal of an elected official by statute or recall election.
WHAT BEHAVIOUR RESULTS IN MISFEASANCE?
There have been many crimes that have fallen within this offence, including willful excesses of official authority, 'malicious' exercises of official authority and willful neglect of a public duty.
The offence can also be caused by intentional infliction of bodily harm, imprisonment, Breach of your civil, constitutional and human rights or other injury upon a person, as well as frauds and deceits.
This is a civil tort against those persons in public office!
To provide a clearer idea, here are a few examples:
A police officer has been willingly dismissive towards another person.
A government official has being violent or aggressive towards a third party.
A prison officer has made unwanted sexual advances towards another.
THE TWO TYPES OF LIABILITY There are two forms of liability for misfeasance or misconduct in public office.
The first involves targeted malice by a public officer, so for example this could be conduct specifically intended to injure a person. If a public officer had this intention, it is irrelevant whether they exceeded their power.
The second type of liability is when a public officer acts knowing they have no power to do so - and that the act will probably injure a person or persons. Here the element of bad faith arises, so it’s not necessary to show that the public officer acted with the purpose or object of inflicting harm on the claimant.
Claims of misfeasance in public office can be complicated and difficult to prove as there is a very high standard of evidence required, however, absolutely no individual is untouchable. So if you, or someone you know, have been a victim of misfeasance in public office, do not refrain from reporting it and taking legal action.
Seems like the airport would be out of the jurisdiction of the local police department.
Thanks for the update Brother !