what bums me out most....is that they never met and talked game after they were out the league...he was even telling tony he was trying to meet among drinks or cigars to talk about their days crossing swords....and i can tell that un-had conversation cuts deep with tony...they could have been more than competitors with respect for eachother and crossed more into peers....and even tony knew...MAN....kob tryna build a bridge with me....a specialist.....class act. Tony rondo and KG were the only celtics i could regard with any respect as a laker die hard...bc i knew they were no bs all ball
Tony allen was actually a very underrated defender for the celtics he one of the reasons why they were so great on defense and was one the best team in the league
@@jrsmith1998 I dont know you. Did you even watch his games in person. You act just like media who never played or coached ball. Players always gave him his props prior to his tragic death!!!
Kobe is the greatest player I've ever seen...dude was just lethal.. Shout to to Allen for giving KB his respect. Ppl tend to forget how much of a great defender this dude was...feisty lol
Y'all remember when Allen used to yell "first team all defense" after he made a big stop? That dude was a savage, always played with high energy and gave it everything he had. Nobody could stop Kobe, but Allen may have guarded Kobe better than anyone ever.
KD said he’s the toughest defender he ever faced and he didn’t even hesitate. A guy with a 7 foot 6 wingspan who can pull up from 30 said he had trouble scoring on Tony Allen. That’s all I needed to hear.
*The Rules changed by the NBA prevent that Defense and Defensive play we all love* Which many peope don't point out. 1950s - mid 2000s is probably best defensive basketball we will see, especially in 90s and early 2000s.
@@andylee6147 I understand that I'm with you but *the Refs enforce the rules that NBA wants and implements* it sucks because it cheapens the integrity of the game itself. Today's game has little to no hard perimeter defense Gray Payton, Tony Allen, MJ, Pippen Rodman, many great defenders (Rookies can enter into the league and have no defensive game, all defensive concepts are switches, play passing lanes to get steals, and impede the opponents progress to the basket) you don't even see challenges at the rim for blocks anymore like how 4x Defensive Player of the Year Dikembe mutombo & Ben Wallace use to do, you see a lot of *lane clear outs* This why I don't agree with analysts like Stephen A Smith who down play today's game calling it soft. *Its Soft to degree because The NBA is responsible for the rules changes NOT the players, the players just play under them* if the NBA didn't change the rules then everyone would've played under the same rules however the game does evolve as times goes on to a degree but *what was wrong with the Rules from the 90s to early 2000s nothing in my opinion* but you had *great impacts & Events like Bad Boy Pistons, NY Hardnose Knicks and the Pacers 2004 Malice in the Palace which change the NBA forever!* and that's way the rules changed but shouldnt have in my opinion.
@@vannq7785 you know what I never seen that criticism of Iverson of Mcgrady or Vince who shot it just as equally I think there is an unfair bias there because Kobe was so good it was threatening lol.
I remember when it was allen and battier on the Griz and they each would take turns getting cooked by Kobe and they was two of the best defenders in the league
@@manmohanbariana2094 he literally has media platforms that were built off hating and disrespecting him...personalities like skip bayless, rob parker, jason whitlock, and doug Gottlieb have near daily segments belittling and discounting Lebron's career and accomplishments...im not saying he doesn't get alot of love, but no player in nba history has dealt with the same scrutiny and disrespect Lebron has.
I'm from da Chi, as is Tony Allen, and he said that Kobe is the 🐐 (over hometown hero Jordan) I'll take MJ, but I can't be mad at TA cuz he played against one of the GREATEST, the first person who could ever TRULY EVER emulate Jordan, the walk, talk, gum, fadeaway, etc... and 5 Rings with ONE TEAM. Which is why LeBron is not over KOBE, let alone Jordan, IMO. Seen all 3. Tony Allen is one of the best on ball defenders any Superstar has had to face 1 on 1
@@Max-me9ol only during his Celtic career but back when he played for Memphis he was always known as the best or if not one of the best defenders in the league
Lebron: I remember when I was going up for the shot and I got elbowed in the chest. I was in so much pain. I should have been taken out of the game. Where was my EMT?
I've said this for years. I've watched the NBA since the 80's and Kobe is the greatest player I've ever seen. I'm biased against Jordan because I am a Knicks fan, but MJ and Kobe were the same exact player... I just had no reason to dislike Kobe.
@@asianangler ok one ring off.. but either way Kobe was just as skilled if not more skilled than MJ He even had the crazy 3’s going in that MJ wasn’t doing at his time not to mention even the difficult shots that man could sink over anyone
You're not going to get these legendary stories when LeBron retires. It'll be like, "I remember after the game, LeBron sent me a bottle of wine and we tagged each other on TikTok..."
Why y’all stay taking shots at Bron when it’s not needed?Lol that’s funny because we getting legendary stories while he still playing. So I could only imagine after.
For as big as Lebron is, it's sad that he doesn't like the physicality. He gets touched on his head and you will think he just got wacked by a bat. While Kobe would always shake his head and wipe it off his shoulders no matter how hard he got hit.
If 6’4 213 tony Allen could guard guys and have Kobe and kd say he’s the best defender they have been guarded by I don’t see why Gilbert arenas say Scottie pippen 6’9 long arms 210 and Rodman 6’6 210 couldn’t be a great defender into today’s game🙁
2:45, "...he might come to the game and that could be scary, cuz he butter you up and next thing y'know that's a 3, Wazzup baby boy that's a layup, Watchout issa dunk!...DON'T FALL FOR THAT NEITHER, DON'T FALL FOR IT!! Lol" I just want to thank every nba player that played/guarded against the Black Mamba and giving him his roses. Y'all making us fans smile no lie.
I will always respect Tony Allen. I saw him give KD work like no one else which is crazy considering the size difference. I don't even think kawhi leonard gives KD the problems than Tony Allen gave him lol
MJ was more athletic but Kobe had to get his from the mud. He didn’t have MJ freakish athleticism but he outworked everybody in the gym and in the film room. Closest thing to MJ we’ll ever see.
4:30 - Tony: This is the greatest player I have ever played against in the world 5:19 - Jorge: Would you say that he was the toughest shot maker that you ever saw play the game? Really? 😒
Kobe was the kind of player you have to study to guard. He was extremely un predictable. we all knew he would most likely shoot it but that's not what I was referring to when saying unpredictable. We didn't know how he would get it done. sometimes he would look trapped or well guarded and yet he finds a way. Still haven't seen a basketball player today besides maybe Steph Curry surprise me and have that unpredictability.
This is ONE OF THE BEST INTERVIEWS that I have watched. So in depth makes you feel like you were court side. To here the game from a defensive standpoint and include the psychological side was interesting. Not only was Kobe great but his court adversaries owned greatness in their own rights.🔥🔥🔥🔥
I remember a segment where players were asked who their toughest defender was. Tony Allen came up a lot, yet this guy was only all defensive 6 times. Because it's really just narrative that gets you on those lists.
Everyone knows the Celtics big 3. Rando was the +1. People forget Tony Allen was on that team. Kobe's lakers vs celtics was 2 heavyweights slugging it out
Kobe has given Tony Allen the respect he deserves
Yup KD also said Allen was hands down the toughest defender he’s ever faced
Same with Shaq for Big Country lol
The real Kobe stopper. Eat your heart out Ruben.
what bums me out most....is that they never met and talked game after they were out the league...he was even telling tony he was trying to meet among drinks or cigars to talk about their days crossing swords....and i can tell that un-had conversation cuts deep with tony...they could have been more than competitors with respect for eachother and crossed more into peers....and even tony knew...MAN....kob tryna build a bridge with me....a specialist.....class act. Tony rondo and KG were the only celtics i could regard with any respect as a laker die hard...bc i knew they were no bs all ball
@@anhiirr what about paul pierce?
Tony allen was actually a very underrated defender for the celtics he one of the reasons why they were so great on defense and was one the best team in the league
How was he underrated? He was 1st team all defense.
@@JR-kv6ez yet nobody mentions him in 2008 2009 or 2010.
All you here is paul pierce, KG, ray allen, rondo and doc rivers
@@randomperson2540 I think you're just hearing what you want to hear. I hear a lot about Tony Allen.
@@JR-kv6ez really?
@@randomperson2540 Yes
Tony Allen, one of the greatest defenders in NBA history!
Dennis Rodman: nah! I don't think so
robin mangalindan He said ONE of the greatest defenders not the greatest moron.
@@bossplayermfs5972 these kids can’t read bro
Top 10 perimeter defenders forsure
Respect ✊🏽
1 of the most underrated on ball defenders of all time..facts...
A great giving respect to a G.O.A.T. much luv to T. Allen a good AZZ defender. R.I.P. 8/24 Mamba the Real LAKERS
Honestly love these videos. Kobe was in a league of his own. Lakers Nation still misses you Mamba
1st team all defense and he fouled out in 8 minutes tryna guard the MAMBA
Tony “master locksmith” Allen
Serious question.. Tony Allen not a HOF ? Cause honestly speaking he’s a top 5 DEFENDER EVER .. I don’t think any other SG played better defense
"my palms are sweaty... my arms are sweaty"... I thought Tony was gonna go 'Eminem' on this show 2:15
"The only one who wasn't crying for help"😂
That's Easy!
A lot of people in the media disrespect bean but his opponents will always give that man his flowers
Yeah. Because he is dead. People act like they can’t be truthful when a person dies.
Kobe is overrated. But most people actually do know that he is.
You misspelled underrated
@@jrsmith1998 I dont know you. Did you even watch his games in person. You act just like media who never played or coached ball.
Players always gave him his props prior to his tragic death!!!
@@bluntlee555 how are you going to correct someone's spelling when you literally misspelled.....misspelled? 🤣😂😂🤣 what a tard!
@@moe4e yeah he obviously has never watched him play
He said "He was the only one that wasn't crying for help" wow
Shoot with pierce and doc in your ear, you better not call for help lol
@@stevenbrown1762 and Garnett 🤣
Kobe is the greatest player I've ever seen...dude was just lethal..
Shout to to Allen for giving KB his respect. Ppl tend to forget how much of a great defender this dude was...feisty lol
Y'all remember when Allen used to yell "first team all defense" after he made a big stop? That dude was a savage, always played with high energy and gave it everything he had. Nobody could stop Kobe, but Allen may have guarded Kobe better than anyone ever.
We need defenders like that today.
@@alexandershabazzi8890 instead we praise patrick Beverly for yelling missing switches and fouling out
Tony was a rare breed. He was freaky athletic in Boston (particularly on offense) before he tore his acl.
@@sharifnasser7635 😝😝😝😝
@@faheemcurtis-khidr7409 a quitter and traitor
KD said he’s the toughest defender he ever faced and he didn’t even hesitate. A guy with a 7 foot 6 wingspan who can pull up from 30 said he had trouble scoring on Tony Allen. That’s all I needed to hear.
Tony allen was built different he clamped kd in the semis in 2014
@Braylon Flowers 😂😂
When did he say that? Link?
That’s a fact, I remember vividly thatTony Allen use to give KD serious issues when he was in OKC.
Wish they were more defensive players like Tony Allen in today’s league.
*The Rules changed by the NBA prevent that Defense and Defensive play we all love* Which many peope don't point out. 1950s - mid 2000s is probably best defensive basketball we will see, especially in 90s and early 2000s.
They would if they can the ref is just soft as fk look what happens. To draymond yesterday
roberson is a good defender.
@@andylee6147 I understand that I'm with you but *the Refs enforce the rules that NBA wants and implements* it sucks because it cheapens the integrity of the game itself. Today's game has little to no hard perimeter defense Gray Payton, Tony Allen, MJ, Pippen Rodman, many great defenders (Rookies can enter into the league and have no defensive game, all defensive concepts are switches, play passing lanes to get steals, and impede the opponents progress to the basket) you don't even see challenges at the rim for blocks anymore like how 4x Defensive Player of the Year Dikembe mutombo & Ben Wallace use to do, you see a lot of *lane clear outs*
This why I don't agree with analysts like Stephen A Smith who down play today's game calling it soft. *Its Soft to degree because The NBA is responsible for the rules changes NOT the players, the players just play under them* if the NBA didn't change the rules then everyone would've played under the same rules however the game does evolve as times goes on to a degree but *what was wrong with the Rules from the 90s to early 2000s nothing in my opinion* but you had *great impacts & Events like Bad Boy Pistons, NY Hardnose Knicks and the Pacers 2004 Malice in the Palace which change the NBA forever!*
and that's way the rules changed but shouldnt have in my opinion.
Watch Isaac Okoro on the Cavs. He is one of the best on ball defenders I have ever seen.
Kobe admitted that Tony was his toughest defender while averaging 26 on him every time they played. What a goat
26 points probably on 35 attempts or something 💀💀👍👍
@@vannq7785 still he avg 26, that's all that matters 😊
@@Gatorfan_Cavon I'm sure TA motivated kobe to go off on him. If he felt it as tough to was tough lol
@@vannq7785 you know what I never seen that criticism of Iverson of Mcgrady or Vince who shot it just as equally I think there is an unfair bias there because Kobe was so good it was threatening lol.
I remember when it was allen and battier on the Griz and they each would take turns getting cooked by Kobe and they was two of the best defenders in the league
Kobe’s still disrespected intensely. How quickly people forget how great he was
This new generation DISRESPECTS KOBE AND MJ TOO MUCH!
@@manmohanbariana2094 LBJ the most disrespected player ever
@@ddp5406 that is crazy man, he is the most loved player by the media.
@@manmohanbariana2094 he literally has media platforms that were built off hating and disrespecting him...personalities like skip bayless, rob parker, jason whitlock, and doug Gottlieb have near daily segments belittling and discounting Lebron's career and accomplishments...im not saying he doesn't get alot of love, but no player in nba history has dealt with the same scrutiny and disrespect Lebron has.
he's disrespected because of these fools who worship a fraud who thinks he's the goat
These Kobe Stopper segments are fantastic!!! What a way to appreciate and remember Kobe, Talk BASKETBALL👍🏾
He was a lot more than just basketball
But I completely agree
I'm from da Chi, as is Tony Allen, and he said that Kobe is the 🐐 (over hometown hero Jordan) I'll take MJ, but I can't be mad at TA cuz he played against one of the GREATEST, the first person who could ever TRULY EVER emulate Jordan, the walk, talk, gum, fadeaway, etc... and 5 Rings with ONE TEAM. Which is why LeBron is not over KOBE, let alone Jordan, IMO. Seen all 3. Tony Allen is one of the best on ball defenders any Superstar has had to face 1 on 1
Tony Allen was very underrated and underappreciated. Grit N Grind for life. So glad his number "9" is getting retired.🐻
🐻🐻🐻
@Westside Snoop nah dude, he was underrated. this is a league in which offense gets most of the praise and allen wasnt good on offense.
@Westside Snoop pat bev shouldnt even be allowed in the same room as TA
@@Max-me9ol only during his Celtic career but back when he played for Memphis he was always known as the best or if not one of the best defenders in the league
He wasn't underappreciated. Everyone loved him on defense. He was horrendous on offense though, especially in his 30s
Tony was a lockdown specialist🔒
He definitely could do NFL defense.
Lebron: I remember when I was going up for the shot and I got elbowed in the chest. I was in so much pain. I should have been taken out of the game. Where was my EMT?
I've said this for years. I've watched the NBA since the 80's and Kobe is the greatest player I've ever seen. I'm biased against Jordan because I am a Knicks fan, but MJ and Kobe were the same exact player... I just had no reason to dislike Kobe.
same exact player uh? I think one got a bit more rings than the other one though?
Stop it. But he was my favorite to watch.
Lots of vitriol from the peach fuzz crew. It's my opinion, you can get yours from talking heads and highlight reels I guess.
@@asianangler ok one ring off.. but either way Kobe was just as skilled if not more skilled than MJ
He even had the crazy 3’s going in that MJ wasn’t doing at his time not to mention even the difficult shots that man could sink over anyone
Jordan had those MITTS as well as next level athleticism
You're not going to get these legendary stories when LeBron retires. It'll be like, "I remember after the game, LeBron sent me a bottle of wine and we tagged each other on TikTok..."
Why y’all stay taking shots at Bron when it’s not needed?Lol that’s funny because we getting legendary stories while he still playing. So I could only imagine after.
@Avocaza lol like the time he put them all time games against your favorite team and franchise. We already getting stories
@Avocaza I mean the 4x nba champion and 4x finals mvp and the guy who just picked apart the Nuggets
Rent free
"Who you playing tomorrow" I can hear him saying that 😢😢
I thought he was really about to say palms was sweaty, moms spaghetti lol
🤣🤣🤣
Black people don't listen to Eminem - Lord jamar 😂😂
@@russelporley7761 nah fr literally the only line we know about lmao
Breaks my heart when he said that he wish he had a conversation w him and to just talk about everything. Sad that it never happened.. love TA
Paul pierce said “ you can guard me that’s kobe Bryant” 🤣
But that man got the game to back it up 😂
@@Dman4901 exactly
Who.... Paul Pierce... Y'all smoking rocks 👌
How old are y’all? Lol. Pierce got buckets. Period
But to say if guarding me, Paul Pierce, all the time you should be ready to guard Kobe....Bean....Bryant . That's ludacris
Tony Allen should start a program/camp focused on defense.
“1st team all defense” if you know you know
Omg I hated Tony Allen everytime Lakers played Celtics. But mad respect for always being professional player and amazing defender.
KD and T-Mac have also said Tony Allen was tough to get past, one of the best defenders in the game during his day
Hearing Kobe say he was the only one not crying for help. Smh that's dangerous. This is why to me the best player to ever play the game.
Kobe the GOAT . PERIOD !
FACTS
Said it too.. the only player when playing in the opponent arena ,fans would chant "MVP, MVP"
case closed... kobe better than today's sef proclaimed goats
No. Not at all. But he was more exciting to watch for sure.
Facts
Lol sure
Sometimes I wish I can travel back in time and somehow someway stop the tragedy of that day. It's still so sad to think about. Life hurts so much ...
"THEY AINT LOVE YOU LIKE THAT, THEY AINT LOVE YOU LIKE THAT.... YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE KOBE?"
This guy in his prime will make lebron cry.
I feel like Tony Allen is the reason the Celtics drafted Marcus Smart.
That's facts my boy
Kolbe Bryants was the best offensive defender I've ever seen. He could shoot a free-throw and block your shot. At the same. Time.
Kobe is definitely a GOATED TWO WAY PLAYER.
I miss physical basketball normal rules defense
Great interviewer.... Doesn't interject or interrupt
Kobe Bryant is here with us still. Legends never die🐍🖤
“Ah Man,...who y’all play tomorrow?” FIYAHHHHHH‼️😂🤣
Tony Allen was one of the best defenders of his generation. It wasn’t just his toughness, but the way he broke down players mentally.
Nets can really use Alleñ rn. No 🧢
Kobe was the GOAT 🐐 of his era stop playing with his name‼️
Facts.
They'll never talk about LeBron ON the court like this!!! 💯🔥
Wrong
No one will ever talk about lebum this way NO ONE ... I hope he reads this
For as big as Lebron is, it's sad that he doesn't like the physicality. He gets touched on his head and you will think he just got wacked by a bat. While Kobe would always shake his head and wipe it off his shoulders no matter how hard he got hit.
quit hating
Question... why is it that players past and present loved and respected Kobe but the media and so called analysts never give him props
Because he came in telling people he would be better than mj players/coaches/media didn't like a 17yr kid saying that back then
If 6’4 213 tony Allen could guard guys and have Kobe and kd say he’s the best defender they have been guarded by I don’t see why Gilbert arenas say Scottie pippen 6’9 long arms 210 and Rodman 6’6 210 couldn’t be a great defender into today’s game🙁
Height and weight don’t equal defense. With that being said, Rodman and Pippen would be all-time defenders in any era of basketball.
@@thebxsavage Facts
Pip not 6'9" but I feel wut ur sayin
@Accountability & Responsibility he is not agreeing with Gilbert.
Top 5 perimeter defender in NBA history
2:45,
"...he might come to the game and that could be scary, cuz he butter you up and next thing y'know that's a 3,
Wazzup baby boy that's a layup, Watchout issa dunk!...DON'T FALL FOR THAT NEITHER, DON'T FALL FOR IT!! Lol"
I just want to thank every nba player that played/guarded against the Black Mamba and giving him his roses. Y'all making us fans smile no lie.
Fun Fact: Tony Allen knocked out OJ Mayo One Punch on a Air plane!👊💯😂
Tony Allen probably studied Kobe’s offensive bag so much you’d think he was tryna take notes on how to improve offensively lol
Real Hoopers don’t talk because you concentrating so hard!
I will always respect Tony Allen. I saw him give KD work like no one else which is crazy considering the size difference. I don't even think kawhi leonard gives KD the problems than Tony Allen gave him lol
Man. At least kobe didnt have to see basketball suffer during corona
Wish it would have happened sooner so that they would not have had to go anywhere
MJ was more athletic but Kobe had to get his from the mud. He didn’t have MJ freakish athleticism but he outworked everybody in the gym and in the film room. Closest thing to MJ we’ll ever see.
Very well said, those MITTS as well made the game easier for MJ (he was so creative, there's a 29 min vid to prove it lol)
If Kobe had Mike or LeBron's athletic gifts 👀🤔 lawd.
FIRST TEAM, ALL DEFENSE!!!!!!
His work in Memphis a great mix of skill, heart, & swag. Miss those Grizzlies teams w/ Him, Gasol, Connelly...
People forget how many injuries he played thru his numbers would be even more insane if he rested lol
4:30 - Tony: This is the greatest player I have ever played against in the world
5:19 - Jorge: Would you say that he was the toughest shot maker that you ever saw play the game?
Really? 😒
That was definitely a redundant and unnecessary question.
That was actually a great question
Shane Battier and Tony Allen almost saying the same thing about Kobe mindset.miss Kobe!!
Tony Allen took those blows but he still played his game 💪👏
6"4 but he's shutting down people who are 6"7 or more
I just wanted to salute The Black Mamba and The Grandfather....its the mutual respect for me..this interview was a blessing n a lesson. level up
Dammit I miss Kobe.
Kobe was the kind of player you have to study to guard. He was extremely un predictable. we all knew he would most likely shoot it but that's not what I was referring to when saying unpredictable. We didn't know how he would get it done. sometimes he would look trapped or well guarded and yet he finds a way. Still haven't seen a basketball player today besides maybe Steph Curry surprise me and have that unpredictability.
1)MJ 2) Kobe 3) no one.
@@DeeRG nah 3 if anything is Ginobili then no one
Back when basketball wasn’t so soft lls
I wonder how TA feels about how players play defense and the rules against defenders today?!
Tony Allen is bout that life, he doesn’t back down from anyone...he a real one.
This is ONE OF THE BEST INTERVIEWS that I have watched. So in depth makes you feel like you were court side. To here the game from a defensive standpoint and include the psychological side was interesting. Not only was Kobe great but his court adversaries owned greatness in their own rights.🔥🔥🔥🔥
It's easy to guard kobe. Why? Because he never passes thr ball so you know where the ball is at all time. NO CAPernick!
That fist hold he would make after a big shot like “f yah I got that” is his statue. I’m not even a laker fan I rock with Kobe tho...
Tony Allen was a dog defender against the elite I believe KD said the same about him a few years back
His accent like Mayweather
I remember a segment where players were asked who their toughest defender was. Tony Allen came up a lot, yet this guy was only all defensive 6 times. Because it's really just narrative that gets you on those lists.
I don’t understand if you host one of these shows how you don’t invest in a decent mic 🎙
Its via Zoom my guy and both of them are in the comfort of their homes and not in studio.
@́ '?
One of the best defenders
I miss Bean so much. Haven’t watched a Laker game all season. It’s not the same and I’ve been a Laker fan all my life
Imaaker fan too..and I can barely watch them now
Brothers I hear you but we gotta show AD sum luv
TA!
Tony Allen to Kobe was like Joe Dumars to MJ.
Battles I remember
Greatness recognizes greatness.
Kobe always had issues with that Boston team.
@@DeeRG whew yeah, that is true.
Also my Goat.
Competitors. A brotherhood. It’s heartbreaking that we will hear no more of Kobe on this side of Amazing Grace. May we again I pray.
bruh the kids playin these days are gonna be making so much noise if they the ones getting elbowed by the mamba
❤🙏
Everyone knows the Celtics big 3. Rando was the +1. People forget Tony Allen was on that team. Kobe's lakers vs celtics was 2 heavyweights slugging it out
🤌 TONY ALLEN WAS NICE ENOUGH SAID
Some people say Jimmy is MJ’s son. But Tony has that MJ features as well.
The media always disrespects Kobe, though you hear all the great players of his era say Kobe was the best. Paul Pierce wasn't Kobe.
I hated this guy because I was a Kobe fan but I respected the brother very much 😅😅😅
Kobe is the second best after mike but Kobe my favourite player got me into basket ball especially in 2007 best on the planet
All Kobe stories make me sad now
TA was like a gnat...all up in your face. Great defender!