I don’t wanna say I don’t agree with this point of view about the “ancient technology”…but there is also a very long debate about how you choose to make music: by making the best out of whatever gear you already own or by keeping up with the technology renewing every year. Is the modern technology REALLY helping the musician, is it a REAL SUPPORT in the creative process of making music on stage or in the studio? Is that REALLY NECESSARY to firstly become quite rich to afford every year to buy all that new technology gear for making music? Of course, new technology is attractive and marketing is an important tool to make us become attracted to new technology. But…are we attracted more to new gadgets or to making good music? Where is the border line? Still more to say but I stop.
If your running out of processing power then your using the wrong line6 product. I think this video is misleading by saying the HX Stomp xl is old and restricted when they have 3 more models above this product that fix all your problems you described with the xl. I own Helix floor and have no problem with DSP and run very complex patches. I recently got Stomp xl to use with my tube amp and it's perfect. This is why they have options. Very misleading to say don't use line6 products because it's old technology. As far as routing options, range of platforms, continuous updates, customer service, build quality and the list goes on line6 is miles ahead of the competition. Sorry but feel you just gave line6 a bad wrap by comparing the problem you have with one of there platforms when they give the public so many more options. Look up which Helix/Hx product is right for you and you will find any of the problems you have are fixed with one of the many options they have that the competition does not offer. That's what make line6 keep up with the times. Research before you buy. Misleading to review one product and then have it reflect the entire product line.
My Prius doesn’t drive like a Ferrari…the Stomp XL does NOT have the DSP of the Helix for a good reason, if the Stomp XL was the all in one solution, it would negate the purpose of the Helix! No complaints from me as a bassist. I think most guitarists use a Stomp alongside pedals, which makes sense. I’m considering the same for bass, but it’s doing a great job so far.
I agree and disagree. The HX Stomp holds it's own today. The proof is in the sound. L6 has done a great job with updates to keep it relevant. Until L6 gives us a sniff of a new platform the Helix stuff will continue to be a great choice.
Agreed, the updates have kept it relevant. They built it with future proofing in mind and they’ve done a great job and the Stomp XL is a phenomenal piece of kit.
Are you upset that line 6 isn't asking you to drain your bank account? You didn't give one example of how it shows its age lol. You just keep saying it's old as if that's the only point you need. Like you're upset you can't run complex chains on the miniature version. It's suppose to be limited. The ampero has 12 blocks but there are limitations with that. We actually probably had the technology back then to have more blocks. But they didn't want to make their own competitor. Why would you buy the big helix if the small one is sufficient for every scenario.
@ryansnydercg we have had the power to add more DSP when the hx stomp xl came out. Why didn't they do it? Look at the boss gt1000core it's signal chain is ridiculous in its compact size because it had a powerful chip. Line 6 intentionally isn't upgrading because they want you to buy the bigger models. We have always had the power. The issue is not hardware. That's why there has been no need to upgrade.
I'd like to point out that while the HX Stomp has the Helix effects in it, it also has a lot of the Legacy Line6 effects in it that are much older. This could be used to support your opinion that this is older technology and there's bound to be something bigger and better coming out soon enough, but it also could be used as a counter to your opinion that this older technology could be considered obsolete and one might want to wait until the bigger and better product line comes out. These Legacy effects are there because they do a good job. They weren't obsolete when the Helix line came out and were always a major part of that. I think It's safe to assume that the next wave of Line6 products will continue to draw upon their current palette of effects like they always have so even if Line6 released their next generation modeling line tomorrow, most if not all of the models in the Helix line will be incorporated within it. So it really is more about the hardware end of things and it already has enough power for just about anything you'll want to do with it. I don't see a whole lot of situations where the full on Helix doesn't have enough horsepower to do what needs to be done. The Stomp and Stomp XL are there for the user that wants the same quality but doesn't require the same quantity as the full boat models. Now, if you want infinite effects in a super tiny package, that's not an option yet but could be on the horizon. However, I don't disagree with what you're saying in the video at all. I do thing that it really comes down to how long you want to wait for the next thing, while you've been missing out on the Stomp/Stomp XL the whole time you've been waiting. When the next generation does come along there will be a bump in demand as people sell off their Helix stuff to get the new stuff. You won't make all of your money back, but you certainly won't have an obsolete paperweight on your hands either. I just wanted to comment because I'm someone who will be picking up an HX Stomp here soon and it wouldn't sway me in any way if there was a new line announced and released, regardless of whether it's new hardware or software. Plus I don't like waiting around with nothing waiting for the perfect something to come along some day. I haven't picked one up until this point because I really haven't needed one, it would have just been a neat additional toy around. But the HX Stomp would be absolutely perfect for the gig I'm doing right now and would definitely replace my entire pedalboard and scale down everything while not sacrficing a single thing. It's all gains for me.
@@jeffcarricoguitar The more and more I've thought about this, it seems like these pedals all aim to solve something different. Some are designed to be stand alones while others are designed to be paired with other pedals. It all depends on your use case
I've been gigging the HX XL for 2 years now as my entire gig rig. Completely satisfied, it ticks all my boxes. Never had any dsp issues, but my needs are very basic. I don't use snapshots, just stomp mode, and I don't even run it in stereo. Just one cable straight to the PA using IEM's. ...and it fits in the front pocket of my gigbag 😁👍 (That was the main selling point for me) It sounds great to me, but my ears aren't super refined for these thing, I still love the tones out of my old Fender Mustang 3 v2 amp 😂👍
How many effects does one person need at a time? Where do we stop? "Check out the new AxFX8 Turbo Supreme! Enough processing power to run up to 320 blocks at once, and allows for up to 16 simultaneous instruments! Plus, you can save up to 5000 presets. This thing kills everything, and then crushes the corpses, grinds them to a fine powder and makes a coffee blend out of it! Each effect has been so utterly and finely crafted, they sound 30 times better than the actual analogue pedals and amps they were modelled on. This thing slays harder than a Zennial drag queen vampire hunter after a glow-up (whatever those are)! Ooh yeah!"
I applaud line 6. Products should be built to last and even though I don't use their products, I don't think I have seen a product, or product range that has been so well supported. I'm actually thinking of incorporating a stomp into my rig. I'll be using UAFX for my amps and cabs and the stomp for effects and amps that UAFX can't do. The effects won't date. They will be usable for years to come.
Key point right there. Effects won’t date at all. And with the power of something like the HX Stomp, it has more than enough power to run any combination of 8 effects that your heart desires
Since you've ruled out software and firmware, I'm curious what specific piece of hardware in the helix is actually causing its obsolescence? Any thoughts?
@@ryansnydercg yeah, I thought there was a tweet or communication from Line 6 saying prices were going down saying it was going to be the "appropriate" price. I took that to mean it was permanent price decrease. Guess not. Glad I picked one up on sale.
Totally understand your main reason but people spend so much money for "vintage amps". If line 6 is ancient; vintage amps is "dinasour" XD. I'm still use line 6 xl and i don't feel any serious hearing when copare with quad cortex. ; )
HX stomp is the swiss army knife of pedals, Like the swiss army knife, It is old but it does everything it was designed to do so same as the HX stomp, HX stomp is still the best when it comes to it it's price point. More Juice = more $$$
The fact that you mention the iPhone highlights the flaws in your argument. Music gear is not equivalent (nor does it need to be) to smartphones. Not to mention that phones are mainly on 1 year release cycles for marketing reasons. I have guitar pedals that haven't changed in 30 years. Still sound great. Saying a modeler from 2015 is out of date is silly. It worked then, it works now just the same. And if you need more DSP buy a Helix Floor, or use the Stomp's fx loop to offload some blocks to other pedals.
But an iPhone and Boss DS-1 instead equivalent. You are correct in that some guitar pedals haven’t changed in 30 years, but those aren’t pedals that have computers inside of them. I agree with you that if worked then it works now, but there are a small minority of people who will find it lacking
Thats all fine and good, you are right, it is old tech, but theres nothing compareable thats better coming out. the gt-100 still uses the 1000's tech, and boss's ambient stuff sounds nowhere near as good as line 6's., the ampero II, it sounds great, but has similar dsp restrictions to the hx stomp, and the ambient stuff and pitch shift stuff on the ampero sounds like crap. The hx stuff sounds miles better, has all kinds of patches and updates, etc. The kemper is confusing to me anyways, but it does sound good. The fractal and neural..... nope, way too expensive for what they do. The headrush stuff, again the ambient stuff doesn't sound near as good as hx's and theres no type of granular delays or reverbs. The only thing that has amazing ambient effects and cool weird delays and reverbs, is the h90. But the h90 is designed to be more of an effects deal, it doesn't do the amp modelling like the hx does. So what is better, that meets the demand of an ambient, granular, guitar synth player? that isnt $2000??? nothing, imo, not even the $2000+ stuff.
Its age, or new things coming out do not make it sound worse. I use my Stomp XL with other pedals, so dsp is generally not an issue. I just dont like how it seems like all of these influencers act like you gotta buy the latest gadget to stay relevant.
Im sorry Ryan but after listening to you i have to disagree with most things you are saying the reason why they haven't done anything is because there is nothing better.
Ah man, such a lot of false equivalency in this video. The Helix range are constantly being updated, and what we have now is almost and entirely new set of sounds and quality compared to what we had in 2015. I get what you're saying about waiting for the Helix 2, or whatever it might be but you can't write off an entire range which is pretty much best in slot for the price range because it's a bit older. The Stomp is also designed to be the scaled back version of the Helix modelling range, if you're maxing your chain out then your requirements are more geared towards the full Helix - remember, the Stomp is still the 'budget' option in the range. You mentioned the FM9 in another comment which I'm sure is great, but it's also 3 or 4 times the price.
So 2 thoughts here... compared to the Helix the FM9 is $200 more. While is certainly substance, I would argue you are getting a lot more for the money. But yes, comparison to the HX Stomp is not fair and the lack of a expression pedal could be a deciding factor with that likely coming up to $300 difference My main focus was on the technology, not necessarily the tones. Processors have come along way and I believe the next generation is going to be a LARGE leap in what these units can do.
Ok take it the other way around, what is available that is better than the Helix HXStomp and in the same price range? You are making a video based on your expectation and crystal ball predictions.
I agree. There is not a better product than this line for the price point. 100% agree. But the next generation is coming soon with updated technology, there is no denying that.
Just bricked my headrush pedalboard a few weeks ago and need something to replace it. The headrush sounded great, but never got the functionality out of it as a DAW and frankly concerned about being able to perform with it live using midi to control it. I just got an HX Stomp XL yesterday and already feeling what you're talking about. What's the alternative for similar functionality/size without going off the deep end on price?
Honestly I’d say one of the lower end Helix models. I know it’s super contradictory of what I was saying but the other comments have a point… it’s a great unit and is really the only thing in between the HX Stomp and the higher end Kemper Stage and Fractal FM9 units. The FM3 is great but limited on the button functionality if that’s your thing… but you can find them under $1000
Thats right NOT just the helix! DECADE OLD TECH in All the Headrush FX/Amp modelers units from 2017 & 2023 they still use the "2014 Rockchip CPU". I find it very interesting but if the units keep selling these company's will not upgrade till they absolutely have to.
@@ryansnydercg yeah I think you're right I did end up buying the headrush core used in flawless condition with box and manual screen protector intact only $629 at Sweetwater with the 45 day return the pedal just came out 8 months ago for $999 so it had the best price to Performance ratio out of all the pedals for what I I'm looking for but I'm really excited to see what offerings both companies come out with next providing that it's not with the same internals from 10 years ago LOL I mean like the real next gen.
The stomp could benefit from a newer DSP to reduce the power consumption and support dual amps. But besides this, people will be disappointed if they think the helix is ancien tech. The tech is in the firmware. The hardware just need to be able to support a reasonable number of blocks at a decent latency.
Both sides of the coin. Should never only hear one side of the story. I still believe it’s amazing in 2024, but for people who want more DSP or want the latest and greatest new shiny thing, then maybe avoid it. I’m just here to give perspectives
@@ryansnydercg Makes sense. Thanks for your perspective, your videos were among the top of quite a bunch that I watched lol. And today I pulled the trigger on this thing. Loving it so far.
So to clarify line 6 said they aren’t working on a helix successor I don’t know why people are still making videos telling people to wait also just buy a helix it has more dsp lmaoo
@ryansnydercg there is a point where hardware provided more then you would ever need. You realize the hx stomp XL was created somewhat recently. They could have easily added more dsp power but didn't really. There really isn't a need for another unit. But hey if you want to spend more money on repackaged things with unnecessary power all the power to you.
I have thought about entering the modeling era. I was thinking of getting the ToneX One for amps and the Stomp XL for everything else. I am sure this would be killer, but I have wondered when their next unit would be introduced. I would hate to buy a unit that was phased out 6 months later. That would piss me off. Great Video.
I think the Helix is a great product but it takes a little too much tweaking to get to it to sound good for me personally. I actually don't think it's that user-friendly compared to the quad cortex and others, ET cetera.
yeah nah. The hx stomp is as good as all the newer modellers in terms of tones. In fact its still the OG because all the others have lifted everything from it without really bringin anything new. All the modellers are great nowadays. Its the form factor you need to decide on. If you think spending 2 to 3 times as much on a newer modeller is going to make you sound 2 to 3 times better....well goodluck with that.
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I don’t wanna say I don’t agree with this point of view about the “ancient technology”…but there is also a very long debate about how you choose to make music: by making the best out of whatever gear you already own or by keeping up with the technology renewing every year. Is the modern technology REALLY helping the musician, is it a REAL SUPPORT in the creative process of making music on stage or in the studio? Is that REALLY NECESSARY to firstly become quite rich to afford every year to buy all that new technology gear for making music? Of course, new technology is attractive and marketing is an important tool to make us become attracted to new technology. But…are we attracted more to new gadgets or to making good music? Where is the border line? Still more to say but I stop.
This! This is the most important piece of it all - how does something like this impact music creation. Well said sir!
"Don't buy. This technology is really old."
Plugs his strat into a Plexi.
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If your running out of processing power then your using the wrong line6 product. I think this video is misleading by saying the HX Stomp xl is old and restricted when they have 3 more models above this product that fix all your problems you described with the xl. I own Helix floor and have no problem with DSP and run very complex patches. I recently got Stomp xl to use with my tube amp and it's perfect. This is why they have options. Very misleading to say don't use line6 products because it's old technology. As far as routing options, range of platforms, continuous updates, customer service, build quality and the list goes on line6 is miles ahead of the competition. Sorry but feel you just gave line6 a bad wrap by comparing the problem you have with one of there platforms when they give the public so many more options. Look up which Helix/Hx product is right for you and you will find any of the problems you have are fixed with one of the many options they have that the competition does not offer. That's what make line6 keep up with the times. Research before you buy. Misleading to review one product and then have it reflect the entire product line.
He couldn’t think of anything else to make a video about and needed something that would force people to engage, so good for him. But he’s not smart.
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My Prius doesn’t drive like a Ferrari…the Stomp XL does NOT have the DSP of the Helix for a good reason, if the Stomp XL was the all in one solution, it would negate the purpose of the Helix!
No complaints from me as a bassist. I think most guitarists use a Stomp alongside pedals, which makes sense. I’m considering the same for bass, but it’s doing a great job so far.
Super misleading video in many cases, literally negative review for no reason for a pedal sized box which gives you amazing possibilities and results.
I agree and disagree. The HX Stomp holds it's own today. The proof is in the sound. L6 has done a great job with updates to keep it relevant. Until L6 gives us a sniff of a new platform the Helix stuff will continue to be a great choice.
Agreed, the updates have kept it relevant. They built it with future proofing in mind and they’ve done a great job and the Stomp XL is a phenomenal piece of kit.
Are you upset that line 6 isn't asking you to drain your bank account? You didn't give one example of how it shows its age lol. You just keep saying it's old as if that's the only point you need. Like you're upset you can't run complex chains on the miniature version. It's suppose to be limited. The ampero has 12 blocks but there are limitations with that. We actually probably had the technology back then to have more blocks. But they didn't want to make their own competitor. Why would you buy the big helix if the small one is sufficient for every scenario.
Processing power of chips they could use are so much stronger these days. Just saying based on updated technology, this can and will be more
@ryansnydercg we have had the power to add more DSP when the hx stomp xl came out. Why didn't they do it? Look at the boss gt1000core it's signal chain is ridiculous in its compact size because it had a powerful chip. Line 6 intentionally isn't upgrading because they want you to buy the bigger models. We have always had the power. The issue is not hardware. That's why there has been no need to upgrade.
I'd like to point out that while the HX Stomp has the Helix effects in it, it also has a lot of the Legacy Line6 effects in it that are much older. This could be used to support your opinion that this is older technology and there's bound to be something bigger and better coming out soon enough, but it also could be used as a counter to your opinion that this older technology could be considered obsolete and one might want to wait until the bigger and better product line comes out. These Legacy effects are there because they do a good job. They weren't obsolete when the Helix line came out and were always a major part of that. I think It's safe to assume that the next wave of Line6 products will continue to draw upon their current palette of effects like they always have so even if Line6 released their next generation modeling line tomorrow, most if not all of the models in the Helix line will be incorporated within it.
So it really is more about the hardware end of things and it already has enough power for just about anything you'll want to do with it. I don't see a whole lot of situations where the full on Helix doesn't have enough horsepower to do what needs to be done. The Stomp and Stomp XL are there for the user that wants the same quality but doesn't require the same quantity as the full boat models. Now, if you want infinite effects in a super tiny package, that's not an option yet but could be on the horizon.
However, I don't disagree with what you're saying in the video at all. I do thing that it really comes down to how long you want to wait for the next thing, while you've been missing out on the Stomp/Stomp XL the whole time you've been waiting. When the next generation does come along there will be a bump in demand as people sell off their Helix stuff to get the new stuff. You won't make all of your money back, but you certainly won't have an obsolete paperweight on your hands either.
I just wanted to comment because I'm someone who will be picking up an HX Stomp here soon and it wouldn't sway me in any way if there was a new line announced and released, regardless of whether it's new hardware or software. Plus I don't like waiting around with nothing waiting for the perfect something to come along some day. I haven't picked one up until this point because I really haven't needed one, it would have just been a neat additional toy around. But the HX Stomp would be absolutely perfect for the gig I'm doing right now and would definitely replace my entire pedalboard and scale down everything while not sacrficing a single thing. It's all gains for me.
"You shouldn't buy this because it's old, but I'm still using one."
Yes but it’s not number 1. FM9 Turbo is #1
@@ryansnydercg ToneX One is looking good.
@@jeffcarricoguitar The more and more I've thought about this, it seems like these pedals all aim to solve something different. Some are designed to be stand alones while others are designed to be paired with other pedals. It all depends on your use case
@@ryansnydercg For how much more? How can you even compare the two?
Are you serious with this kind of an answer?
I've been gigging the HX XL for 2 years now as my entire gig rig.
Completely satisfied, it ticks all my boxes.
Never had any dsp issues, but my needs are very basic.
I don't use snapshots, just stomp mode, and I don't even run it in stereo. Just one cable straight to the PA using IEM's.
...and it fits in the front pocket of my gigbag 😁👍 (That was the main selling point for me)
It sounds great to me, but my ears aren't super refined for these thing, I still love the tones out of my old Fender Mustang 3 v2 amp 😂👍
The fact that it fits into a gig bag was the main selling point for me too
Tonex with my drives into HX stomp input at line level, Strymon reverb in the Stomp FX Loop. Plenty stomp processing power for more FX.
Does it sound good? Yes. Wasn’t that the goal? I got the HX Stomp because I wanted to stop buying gear. So far, mission accomplished.
100% this. I completely agree. I have this and the FM9 and I don’t have a need for buying more stuff. Just trying to give a different perspective
I agree!
How many effects does one person need at a time? Where do we stop? "Check out the new AxFX8 Turbo Supreme! Enough processing power to run up to 320 blocks at once, and allows for up to 16 simultaneous instruments! Plus, you can save up to 5000 presets. This thing kills everything, and then crushes the corpses, grinds them to a fine powder and makes a coffee blend out of it! Each effect has been so utterly and finely crafted, they sound 30 times better than the actual analogue pedals and amps they were modelled on. This thing slays harder than a Zennial drag queen vampire hunter after a glow-up (whatever those are)! Ooh yeah!"
Even if they do come out with new modeler, the price will be higher. This is good for people just wanting 6 effects or less and one amp.
I applaud line 6. Products should be built to last and even though I don't use their products, I don't think I have seen a product, or product range that has been so well supported. I'm actually thinking of incorporating a stomp into my rig. I'll be using UAFX for my amps and cabs and the stomp for effects and amps that UAFX can't do. The effects won't date. They will be usable for years to come.
Key point right there. Effects won’t date at all. And with the power of something like the HX Stomp, it has more than enough power to run any combination of 8 effects that your heart desires
Since you've ruled out software and firmware, I'm curious what specific piece of hardware in the helix is actually causing its obsolescence? Any thoughts?
Specifically the SHARC processor they all use. Like anytyhing in technology, years can create leaps and bounds in performance enhancements
I did it was on sale at Sweet Water, great buy
I thought they were lowering it for good but saw it went back up. On sale is always a solid buy
@@ryansnydercg yeah, I thought there was a tweet or communication from Line 6 saying prices were going down saying it was going to be the "appropriate" price. I took that to mean it was permanent price decrease. Guess not. Glad I picked one up on sale.
Totally understand your main reason but people spend so much money for "vintage amps". If line 6 is ancient; vintage amps is "dinasour" XD. I'm still use line 6 xl and i don't feel any serious hearing when copare with quad cortex. ; )
Hahaha very solid point! And I’m with you, XL Stomp is still getting a ton of love
@ updated; i sold hx xl then buy nano cortex (new one). What is your toughts? i really wonder that :))
Providing us alternative to buy instead would be great, maybe a follow up video
I can certainly do that
this guy is weak
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HX stomp is the swiss army knife of pedals,
Like the swiss army knife, It is old but it does everything it was designed to do so same as the HX stomp, HX stomp is still the best when it comes to it it's price point.
More Juice = more $$$
At the price point, it really can’t be beat
The fact that you mention the iPhone highlights the flaws in your argument. Music gear is not equivalent (nor does it need to be) to smartphones. Not to mention that phones are mainly on 1 year release cycles for marketing reasons.
I have guitar pedals that haven't changed in 30 years. Still sound great. Saying a modeler from 2015 is out of date is silly. It worked then, it works now just the same.
And if you need more DSP buy a Helix Floor, or use the Stomp's fx loop to offload some blocks to other pedals.
But an iPhone and Boss DS-1 instead equivalent. You are correct in that some guitar pedals haven’t changed in 30 years, but those aren’t pedals that have computers inside of them. I agree with you that if worked then it works now, but there are a small minority of people who will find it lacking
How bout the valeton gp 200??
Ahhhh I haven’t tried that one
Thats all fine and good, you are right, it is old tech, but theres nothing compareable thats better coming out. the gt-100 still uses the 1000's tech, and boss's ambient stuff sounds nowhere near as good as line 6's., the ampero II, it sounds great, but has similar dsp restrictions to the hx stomp, and the ambient stuff and pitch shift stuff on the ampero sounds like crap. The hx stuff sounds miles better, has all kinds of patches and updates, etc. The kemper is confusing to me anyways, but it does sound good. The fractal and neural..... nope, way too expensive for what they do. The headrush stuff, again the ambient stuff doesn't sound near as good as hx's and theres no type of granular delays or reverbs. The only thing that has amazing ambient effects and cool weird delays and reverbs, is the h90. But the h90 is designed to be more of an effects deal, it doesn't do the amp modelling like the hx does.
So what is better, that meets the demand of an ambient, granular, guitar synth player? that isnt $2000??? nothing, imo, not even the $2000+ stuff.
You’re spot on. There is nothing that’s better at the price point.
Its age, or new things coming out do not make it sound worse. I use my Stomp XL with other pedals, so dsp is generally not an issue. I just dont like how it seems like all of these influencers act like you gotta buy the latest gadget to stay relevant.
Just a different perspective. I’ve done plenty of other videos about how awesome it is
@@ryansnydercgCool man.
OK what should you buy in 2024..cheap to expensive?
So here is my order from cheap to expensive:
- Tonnex one
- HX Stomp XL
- FM9
6 months passed by, still nothing, and no news about it
True... my optimism might have been to optimistic
Im sorry Ryan but after listening to you i have to disagree with most things you are saying the reason why they haven't done anything is because there is nothing better.
Oh I agree. I was just giving another perspective. I still think it’s the best
Ah man, such a lot of false equivalency in this video. The Helix range are constantly being updated, and what we have now is almost and entirely new set of sounds and quality compared to what we had in 2015. I get what you're saying about waiting for the Helix 2, or whatever it might be but you can't write off an entire range which is pretty much best in slot for the price range because it's a bit older. The Stomp is also designed to be the scaled back version of the Helix modelling range, if you're maxing your chain out then your requirements are more geared towards the full Helix - remember, the Stomp is still the 'budget' option in the range.
You mentioned the FM9 in another comment which I'm sure is great, but it's also 3 or 4 times the price.
So 2 thoughts here... compared to the Helix the FM9 is $200 more. While is certainly substance, I would argue you are getting a lot more for the money. But yes, comparison to the HX Stomp is not fair and the lack of a expression pedal could be a deciding factor with that likely coming up to $300 difference
My main focus was on the technology, not necessarily the tones. Processors have come along way and I believe the next generation is going to be a LARGE leap in what these units can do.
Ok take it the other way around, what is available that is better than the Helix HXStomp and in the same price range? You are making a video based on your expectation and crystal ball predictions.
I agree. There is not a better product than this line for the price point. 100% agree. But the next generation is coming soon with updated technology, there is no denying that.
Boss gt1000 core
Just bricked my headrush pedalboard a few weeks ago and need something to replace it. The headrush sounded great, but never got the functionality out of it as a DAW and frankly concerned about being able to perform with it live using midi to control it. I just got an HX Stomp XL yesterday and already feeling what you're talking about.
What's the alternative for similar functionality/size without going off the deep end on price?
Honestly I’d say one of the lower end Helix models. I know it’s super contradictory of what I was saying but the other comments have a point… it’s a great unit and is really the only thing in between the HX Stomp and the higher end Kemper Stage and Fractal FM9 units.
The FM3 is great but limited on the button functionality if that’s your thing… but you can find them under $1000
Thats right NOT just the helix! DECADE OLD TECH in All the Headrush FX/Amp modelers units from 2017 & 2023 they still use the "2014 Rockchip CPU". I find it very interesting but if the units keep selling these company's will not upgrade till they absolutely have to.
It’s the if it’s not broke don’t fix it mentality
@@ryansnydercg yeah I think you're right I did end up buying the headrush core used in flawless condition with box and manual screen protector intact only $629 at Sweetwater with the 45 day return the pedal just came out 8 months ago for $999 so it had the best price to Performance ratio out of all the pedals for what I I'm looking for but I'm really excited to see what offerings both companies come out with next providing that it's not with the same internals from 10 years ago LOL I mean like the real next gen.
I think maybe you've been out in the sun too long.
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The stomp could benefit from a newer DSP to reduce the power consumption and support dual amps. But besides this, people will be disappointed if they think the helix is ancien tech. The tech is in the firmware. The hardware just need to be able to support a reasonable number of blocks at a decent latency.
This. Updating the hardware would do wonders.
You can create dual amp patches in the HX Stomp already.
One of the top videos in your channel is literally titled "The Helix HX Stomp XL Is Amazing in 2024". I'm confused.
Both sides of the coin. Should never only hear one side of the story. I still believe it’s amazing in 2024, but for people who want more DSP or want the latest and greatest new shiny thing, then maybe avoid it.
I’m just here to give perspectives
@@ryansnydercg Makes sense. Thanks for your perspective, your videos were among the top of quite a bunch that I watched lol. And today I pulled the trigger on this thing. Loving it so far.
@@soundboy89 yeah man for sure. Glad you enjoyed the videos and glad to hear you joined the HX Stomp family! Welcome
So to clarify line 6 said they aren’t working on a helix successor I don’t know why people are still making videos telling people to wait
also just buy a helix it has more dsp lmaoo
Might be worth it to someone
Name 2 competitors at that price point that has more dsp
At the price point, there is nothing. You are absolutely right, but the next generation is coming soon and there are people who care about that
@ryansnydercg there is a point where hardware provided more then you would ever need. You realize the hx stomp XL was created somewhat recently. They could have easily added more dsp power but didn't really. There really isn't a need for another unit. But hey if you want to spend more money on repackaged things with unnecessary power all the power to you.
Boss gt1000 core is the only one that has more dsp, and cost less.
I have thought about entering the modeling era. I was thinking of getting the ToneX One for amps and the Stomp XL for everything else. I am sure this would be killer, but I have wondered when their next unit would be introduced. I would hate to buy a unit that was phased out 6 months later. That would piss me off. Great Video.
That was me when I purchased my old Axe FX 2 XL+…. 6 months later the Axe Fx 3 was released
I think the Helix is a great product but it takes a little too much tweaking to get to it to sound good for me personally. I actually don't think it's that user-friendly compared to the quad cortex and others, ET cetera.
I haven’t tried the Quad Cortex yet but I’ve heard good things about
So far, Matteo Mancuso seems to managing ok with this old technology, and so am I. 😎
I wish more people would bring this up.
yeah nah. The hx stomp is as good as all the newer modellers in terms of tones. In fact its still the OG because all the others have lifted everything from it without really bringin anything new. All the modellers are great nowadays. Its the form factor you need to decide on. If you think spending 2 to 3 times as much on a newer modeller is going to make you sound 2 to 3 times better....well goodluck with that.
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you Ryan got a good point.
It’s bound to happen at some point…. But until then I will continue loving the HX Stomp XL
lol.. hx is the goat! with or without external pedals... buy a product that suit ur needs..😅😅😅
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Jimmy Page used Echoplex and Wah pedal live , SRV used Tubescreamer , Fuzzface and Wah , Peter Green NO Pedals , Kossoff NO Pedals ....... HX Stomp is plenty for the average human , stop talking poo poo .
Depends on your use case
yeah right...old my ass
It is for some people. Just giving another perspective
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Yes
Lmao.. all these these videos, praising it and then all of a sudden this… 😂
Just giving the flip side of the coin, I still very much believe in the HX Stomp