FYI Someone over at motion pro must have watched your video because they took your advise and changed the bolts. I just bought one of these based on your review and it has the new bolts. Nice little, versatile tool. Haven't used it yet, but I will have had many occasions when I could have and I will be using it to torque a torque converter. Thanks!
Thanks for the good review. This tool popped up as an ad and I clicked it but there was no video or better description about how it worked. I've never seen one so I was curious. Even went to the original website of who was selling it through Wal-Mart and how it works was never explained.
Thank you for the review. Lots of great observations and technical areas pointed out. I was going to buy a set of adapters but this one will work on my KTM cylinder base nuts.
Motion pro is a good company, they make an outstanding motorcycle chain tool. This might be useful for automatic transmission band adjustment, where exacting torque isn't so critical.
Thanks for posting, I didn't know this clever lever existed, I am a big fan of Motion Pros motorcycle tire irons, I use them for when the last bit hangs on the edge of semi truck tires.
Great, honest review. However, the idea that you're worried about torque settings on an engine with a Fram oil filter places this in the comedy category.
Really useful for flare wrenches when torquing down line sets to critical manufacturer's specs. Considering that the specialty torque wrenches to do that are several hundred dollars when you buy all the 'crow's' feet sizes needed or even the adjustable wrench version is several hundred. However be careful as when I used my torque wrenches at a right angle with my crow's foot flare wrenches it would not render the "click". Tried many times and different torque wrenches but they just wouldn't work with a crow's foot (some flare and some normal). Also pretty awkward to hold the fittings counter your torque while trying to hold the torque wrench and the attachment--a real three handed job if I ever saw one. Take care. Doug
I believe it does work however, i still prefer a crow foot spanner… Feel I prefer to be sure to have the torque I chose without thinking of angles or calculations. But maybe one day I might consider that thing.
I knew there has to be a tool adapter when I have to use a open wrench. I never torque because i was missing this tool. Another example when i needed this is on the tie rod end nut
I'm with bcbloc02. I would weld a cheap socket on a cheap wrench. I'm really cheap and would avoid spending money on a tool that may only be used one in a blue moon. Good video.
wow why wouldn't one of the US manufacturers make this - you're obviously a quality tools guy - this is a great project for us beginners. Thanks for vid.
Your torque setting needs to be calculated for anything longer than 1" There is a Torque equations formula; "Torque Wrench Adapter Extended Equations & Calculator".
I have a huge set of the tiny metric and SAE wrenches I think I might have use them 3 times in 20+ years lol. They came in a full wrench set I didnt go out and buy them because I needed them lol.
2:51 Looks funny as hell, but cool tool overall. Wouldn't how far up adapter's mounted up the wrench affect your torque reading? PS: I can tell you're an engineer when you started talking steel. Or perhaps some form of metallurgist.
No torque number adjustments, I thought the moment arm mattered. I guess the 90 degrees of the torque wrench makes sure for no errors. Its all in the physics right.
@@SkylersRants The angle and length do matter when using a torque wrench. There's a guy on TH-cam with a Snapon torque spec machine proving these concepts. It turns out that it's not new information as he even showed an old SnapOn manual from like 30 years ago saying the same thing he was proving.
I've gotta have it???,That engine was built before torque wrenches were invented, you could assemble that with a set of crescents, and it would run like a charm. You now have another tool to go into cold storage. Nice idea for a tool, but no thanks. BTW, I can mark and R & R that distributor in an augenblick.
@@WatchWesWork That's not correct. It doesn't matter if it's 90 degrees, 37.7 degrees or 0 degrees. Think of the torque measurement as a twisting motion. The angle of the twisting wrench doesn't affect the twist at the nut. It might change how much force you use on the wrench, or what you feel on your end, but the twist itself is independent of where it is on the wrench or what direction the wrench is pointed.
@@SkylersRants That is in fact correct. It's true that the torque moment at the end of the torque wrench is the same at any angle. But the torque at the end of the attached wrench is not. The torque wrench is calibrated for a specific length. If you alter that overall length, you will alter the torque on the fastener. That's why 90 degrees is required. Do a search for "free body diagram" if you don't believe me.
@@WatchWesWork I'm an engineer. You're wrong. Look at your free body diagram with couples, and you'll see that a couple is the same everywhere on a body.
@@SkylersRants So am I. You are incorrect. The torque moment increases proportionally with the total length of the lever arm. The reaction force on the end of a click type torque wrench is constant. That's how they work.
Really to be honest with you there's nothing wrong with tools that are not made in the United States I've got tools from Japan Taiwan Pakistan and some from China and they've lasted just about as long as the ones made here in the good old USA
I'd like to see you torque a bolt using the torque wrench itself.... then check it with that combo wrench set-up to verify. Or vice-versa. I'm not convinced its the same thing. You are applying torque radially farther out from the center of the bolt. How is that not leverage? Nope. Not buying into that.
Putting it at a 90* angle to the wrench means that the moment arm isn't extended, but rather moved over. I learned that a few years ago when I was reading about getting an accurate torque on a hard-to-reach fitting. I ended up welding a socket to an adjustable wrench, and I made sure that the wrench was at a 90* angle to the torque wrench.
got me wondering surely even at a 90 degree angle the length of the spanner will make the torque on the bolt deviate from the reading of the torquewrench
Most likely there is some small effect here in the real world. But, on paper it should have no effect. Torque is force times distance. If the wrench is at 90 degrees, the distance is not changed.
The Knife...seems switchblades are preferred... Do the directions for this adapter say where to attach it to the open/box combo wrenches...seems that would be critical for proper torque..?
I'd like to make a suggestion that you measure the torque and the force you put on the wrench and see how it stacks up when it's at 90˚ or at 0˚ or any other angle. It doesn't matter. The math and physics are very clear about it, but we seem to have a history in this country to get this wrong. It's not even arguable. The location of the device on the wrench, and the angle of the secondary wrench make no difference on the torque measurement.
There is a lot of confusion about this. A click type torque wrench is length dependent. That's why it has a short handle you are supposed to hold while using it. If you choke up on it, you affect the torque value. That is why the attached wrench or whatever must be at 90 degrees. Any other angle will increase or decrease the effective length of the torque wrench and affect the torque output. Any tool manufacturer's literature will tell you the same thing.
@@WatchWesWork No, the torque is the torque. It may feel different because you might need to apply more or less force, but the torque measured at one point will be the same everywhere on the body.
@@WatchWesWork That's not actually correct. Click type wrenches measure in the head of some wrenches (maybe cheaper ones??), so it does not matter if you choke up on it. A beam type torque wrench matters because the pointer and guage are just above the grab handle. Any bend in the entire handle will affect the guage measurement. So, if you choke up on the handle you would affect (reduce) the amount of bend in the handle itself, affecting measurement. My beam torque wrench handle has a swivel in the middle of the handle so that the pressure is Exactly at a specified point on the beam. But, still it's a great review. Thanks.
This won't be accurate when used with a torque wrench unless you do some math. The reason we use wrenches, instead of just using a socket in our fingertips is because a wrench is a lever. As we all know levers multiply the amount of torque we're able to apply. When you set your wrench to 40 lbft you were applying that to the end of a lever so you were probably torquing your head bolt to 45lbs. In that case it's worthless without the math and you may as well just snug them down.
No. Torque is force times distance. Even the units of torque show that, ft-lbs or N-m. The only distance that matters is the distance normal to the force, or at 90 degrees to the force. Any other distance is irrelevant. Google "free body diagram". It's the foundation of the engineering study called statics, and can explain this visually. I've spent more time studying this subject than I care to admit.
@@WatchWesWork That's not correct. Torque, as meausred here is called a "couple" and it makes no difference where on the body it is measured. The force you use to achieve that torque measurement may differ, but the torque achieved will be the same no matter where it is measured. There's probably a very good reason this is made in China, and that's because the Chinese are not saddled with a hundred years of shade tree mechanics talking about this and being almost always wrong about it. They just do the math over there, without our cultural mechanics baggage, and they know that this device is going to measure correct torque no matter how you put this thing on the wrench and what angle you dangle the secondary wrench.
Well hell, that ain't no tool review, A... In fairness you did file it to see how "hard" it is, A, but, A....where was the, A, AvE'esk mini chainsaw box opening, A,, the exclamation of overflowing pride in yourself for opening a box, A, ya didn't even take her A-P-Art, A. Not once did you utter the word Chinesium, A, or the fact, A, that "she's no prom queen...", A. In C, A, N, A, D, A, they only do skookum tool reviews....A
FYI Someone over at motion pro must have watched your video because they took your advise and changed the bolts. I just bought one of these based on your review and it has the new bolts. Nice little, versatile tool. Haven't used it yet, but I will have had many occasions when I could have and I will be using it to torque a torque converter. Thanks!
Thanks for the good review. This tool popped up as an ad and I clicked it but there was no video or better description about how it worked. I've never seen one so I was curious. Even went to the original website of who was selling it through Wal-Mart and how it works was never explained.
I usually just weld a socket to a cheap wrench and use that. This would be good for not making custom tools every time!
You da man, I just bought a SWENCH set partly because I wanted the offset adapters, some places just don't let you weld at will.
Thank you for the review. Lots of great observations and technical areas pointed out. I was going to buy a set of adapters but this one will work on my KTM cylinder base nuts.
Motion pro is a good company, they make an outstanding motorcycle chain tool. This might be useful for automatic transmission band adjustment, where exacting torque isn't so critical.
Thanks for posting, I didn't know this clever lever existed, I am a big fan of Motion Pros motorcycle tire irons, I use them for when the last bit hangs on the edge of semi truck tires.
Never seen anything like that till now, thank you for the review.
Great, honest review. However, the idea that you're worried about torque settings on an engine with a Fram oil filter places this in the comedy category.
Good point on the softness
Really useful for flare wrenches when torquing down line sets to critical manufacturer's specs. Considering that the specialty torque wrenches to do that are several hundred dollars when you buy all the 'crow's' feet sizes needed or even the adjustable wrench version is several hundred. However be careful as when I used my torque wrenches at a right angle with my crow's foot flare wrenches it would not render the "click". Tried many times and different torque wrenches but they just wouldn't work with a crow's foot (some flare and some normal). Also pretty awkward to hold the fittings counter your torque while trying to hold the torque wrench and the attachment--a real three handed job if I ever saw one. Take care. Doug
Nice review, honest to the point. thank you Matt C.
I believe it does work however, i still prefer a crow foot spanner… Feel I prefer to be sure to have the torque I chose without thinking of angles or calculations.
But maybe one day I might consider that thing.
Thumbs up 👍 better to have it and not need it. Good to have when you do. Situations are tough.
I knew there has to be a tool adapter when I have to use a open wrench. I never torque because i was missing this tool. Another example when i needed this is on the tie rod end nut
I'm with bcbloc02. I would weld a cheap socket on a cheap wrench. I'm really cheap and would avoid spending money on a tool that may only be used one in a blue moon. Good video.
wow why wouldn't one of the US manufacturers make this - you're obviously a quality tools guy - this is a great project for us beginners. Thanks for vid.
Your torque setting needs to be calculated for anything longer than 1"
There is a Torque equations formula;
"Torque Wrench Adapter Extended Equations & Calculator".
No calculation is needed if the torque wrench is placed at a 90 degree angle like he did. Videos online prove this.
The moment is is now longer so does that change the torque reading?
No, the moment is not longer.
Is the York right using this? Thanks
I have a huge set of the tiny metric and SAE wrenches I think I might have use them 3 times in 20+ years lol. They came in a full wrench set I didnt go out and buy them because I needed them lol.
Were the screws rubbing against the wrench beam when you tightened it down? The rub marks look to be in about the right place.
No, the wrench is undamaged. I think it's just rubbing the body of the tool.
2:51 Looks funny as hell, but cool tool overall. Wouldn't how far up adapter's mounted up the wrench affect your torque reading?
PS: I can tell you're an engineer when you started talking steel. Or perhaps some form of metallurgist.
Adamant Adam that problem is addressed when he turns the wrench 90 degrees
No torque number adjustments, I thought the moment arm mattered. I guess the 90 degrees of the torque wrench makes sure for no errors. Its all in the physics right.
Torque does not depend on the length of the wrench, nor on the angle. It makes no difference whatsoever what the angle is.
@@SkylersRants
The angle and length do matter when using a torque wrench. There's a guy on TH-cam with a Snapon torque spec machine proving these concepts. It turns out that it's not new information as he even showed an old SnapOn manual from like 30 years ago saying the same thing he was proving.
I've gotta have it???,That engine was built before torque wrenches were invented, you could assemble that with a set of crescents, and it would run like a charm. You now have another tool to go into cold storage. Nice idea for a tool, but no thanks. BTW, I can mark and R & R that distributor in an augenblick.
The point is that now I have one tool I rarely use, not a full set of crows foot wrenches and another full set of torque adapters collecting dust.
Does the placement of the adapter on the wrench matter? I saw you placed the adapter near the end of the wrench and others place it near the center.
No. As long as the wrench is 90 degrees to the torque wrench, the torque reading will be accurate. The length does not matter.
@@WatchWesWork That's not correct. It doesn't matter if it's 90 degrees, 37.7 degrees or 0 degrees. Think of the torque measurement as a twisting motion. The angle of the twisting wrench doesn't affect the twist at the nut. It might change how much force you use on the wrench, or what you feel on your end, but the twist itself is independent of where it is on the wrench or what direction the wrench is pointed.
@@SkylersRants That is in fact correct. It's true that the torque moment at the end of the torque wrench is the same at any angle. But the torque at the end of the attached wrench is not. The torque wrench is calibrated for a specific length. If you alter that overall length, you will alter the torque on the fastener. That's why 90 degrees is required. Do a search for "free body diagram" if you don't believe me.
@@WatchWesWork I'm an engineer. You're wrong. Look at your free body diagram with couples, and you'll see that a couple is the same everywhere on a body.
@@SkylersRants So am I. You are incorrect. The torque moment increases proportionally with the total length of the lever arm. The reaction force on the end of a click type torque wrench is constant. That's how they work.
Interesting, never come across that before
Really to be honest with you there's nothing wrong with tools that are not made in the United States I've got tools from Japan Taiwan Pakistan and some from China and they've lasted just about as long as the ones made here in the good old USA
I think it’s more about where you want your money going.
Good review But i would stick with crows foot, But im just a DIYer so i buy the less expensive. ones
Neat tool!
would surely make a good project. (As if there were not enough xD)
interesting tool 👍🇨🇦
Interesting
New one for me. Thanks
Wonderfull
Good Review
Very nice
I'd like to see you torque a bolt using the torque wrench itself.... then check it with that combo wrench set-up to verify. Or vice-versa. I'm not convinced its the same thing. You are applying torque radially farther out from the center of the bolt. How is that not leverage? Nope. Not buying into that.
Physics is quite interesting.
Putting it at a 90* angle to the wrench means that the moment arm isn't extended, but rather moved over. I learned that a few years ago when I was reading about getting an accurate torque on a hard-to-reach fitting. I ended up welding a socket to an adjustable wrench, and I made sure that the wrench was at a 90* angle to the torque wrench.
got me wondering
surely even at a 90 degree angle the length of the spanner will make the torque on the bolt deviate from the reading of the torquewrench
Most likely there is some small effect here in the real world. But, on paper it should have no effect. Torque is force times distance. If the wrench is at 90 degrees, the distance is not changed.
the force will work over the hypotenuse so the distance is changed, but not by a lot
It should not. The force should be applied at 90 degrees to the torque wrench, so the moment arm should be the same.
imagine the spanner being 10 foot long then...
It doesn't matter. Look up "free body diagram".
Worst unboxing I've ever seen. You didn't even use a ridiculously oversized knife! I'm unsubscribing!! 😂😂
I'm a rookie, go easy on me.
your amazing
The Knife...seems switchblades are preferred...
Do the directions for this adapter say where to attach it to the open/box combo wrenches...seems that would be critical for proper torque..?
It's gonna break... 🤓
On a long enough time line, everything breaks.
Sorta kinda ok
Nothing unfortunate about being made in China.
I'd like to make a suggestion that you measure the torque and the force you put on the wrench and see how it stacks up when it's at 90˚ or at 0˚ or any other angle. It doesn't matter. The math and physics are very clear about it, but we seem to have a history in this country to get this wrong. It's not even arguable. The location of the device on the wrench, and the angle of the secondary wrench make no difference on the torque measurement.
There is a lot of confusion about this. A click type torque wrench is length dependent. That's why it has a short handle you are supposed to hold while using it. If you choke up on it, you affect the torque value. That is why the attached wrench or whatever must be at 90 degrees. Any other angle will increase or decrease the effective length of the torque wrench and affect the torque output. Any tool manufacturer's literature will tell you the same thing.
@@WatchWesWork No, the torque is the torque. It may feel different because you might need to apply more or less force, but the torque measured at one point will be the same everywhere on the body.
@@WatchWesWork That's not actually correct. Click type wrenches measure in the head of some wrenches (maybe cheaper ones??), so it does not matter if you choke up on it. A beam type torque wrench matters because the pointer and guage are just above the grab handle. Any bend in the entire handle will affect the guage measurement. So, if you choke up on the handle you would affect (reduce) the amount of bend in the handle itself, affecting measurement. My beam torque wrench handle has a swivel in the middle of the handle so that the pressure is Exactly at a specified point on the beam. But, still it's a great review. Thanks.
You should have stated clearly at the beginning of the video that you aren't sponsored by China....lol
You need a 3D printer…
This won't be accurate when used with a torque wrench unless you do some math. The reason we use wrenches, instead of just using a socket in our fingertips is because a wrench is a lever. As we all know levers multiply the amount of torque we're able to apply. When you set your wrench to 40 lbft you were applying that to the end of a lever so you were probably torquing your head bolt to 45lbs. In that case it's worthless without the math and you may as well just snug them down.
No. Torque is force times distance. Even the units of torque show that, ft-lbs or N-m. The only distance that matters is the distance normal to the force, or at 90 degrees to the force. Any other distance is irrelevant. Google "free body diagram". It's the foundation of the engineering study called statics, and can explain this visually. I've spent more time studying this subject than I care to admit.
Only if it is exactly 90°.
Well any torque wrench is only accurate to around 5% in the middle of its range. No sense splitting hairs.
@@WatchWesWork That's not correct. Torque, as meausred here is called a "couple" and it makes no difference where on the body it is measured. The force you use to achieve that torque measurement may differ, but the torque achieved will be the same no matter where it is measured.
There's probably a very good reason this is made in China, and that's because the Chinese are not saddled with a hundred years of shade tree mechanics talking about this and being almost always wrong about it. They just do the math over there, without our cultural mechanics baggage, and they know that this device is going to measure correct torque no matter how you put this thing on the wrench and what angle you dangle the secondary wrench.
Well hell, that ain't no tool review, A... In fairness you did file it to see how "hard" it is, A, but, A....where was the, A, AvE'esk mini chainsaw box opening, A,, the exclamation of overflowing pride in yourself for opening a box, A, ya didn't even take her A-P-Art, A. Not once did you utter the word Chinesium, A, or the fact, A, that "she's no prom queen...", A.
In C, A, N, A, D, A, they only do skookum tool reviews....A