Cheap and effective heat barrier for car interiors Episode 139 Autorestomod
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We delve into Cheap and effective heat barrier for car interiors. With the Summit Racing supplied Super Insulator from Bonded Logic, we saw a 40 to 50 degree temperature drop. The price is right on this insulation and it is easy to install once the front and rear seats are removed.
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Wish they didn’t skip forward to show it in the car. It’s exactly what I was hoping to see. The actual installation.
Thanks for the input Texas! We appreciate it.
Thanks guys! Watch a bunch of your videos. Learned a lot and if nothing else gives me more confidence to tackle my Mustang. I just purchased this stuff and will be installing in the next several weeks.
Thank you guys for developing these videos- a lot of help for us out here that don’t get the exposure to different materials- I’m working on a nice 63 1/2 falcon futura hardtop and will be doing this exact work this winter- sorry people have to throw negative comments at you guys- unfortunately we have too much of that crap in today’s world- just remember that for every negative comment there are a thousand more of us positives out there- keep up the good work brother- From up in northern Minnesota - take care
Thanks for the kind words. We've developed a thick skin over the last 10 years, but do bow up still sometimes lol. Lived up in Cloquet MN for three years, great place!
We did an episode on Lizard Skin that included temp test: Episode 3 Lizard Skin Sound and Heat Control Autorestomod. As we said in this episode, we like certain products for certain things. This product works great in the interior, but not inside of doors where water intrusion is rife. Lizard Skin would be better in the doors and inner fenders etc. and as an additional heat barrier on the pans maybe under the car.
An oldie, but a goodie !!! I have this task coming up, in my project hopefully in this spring 2022.. Loved the infrared testing before and after..!!!
Thanks!
Another helpful gem of a video! Thanks!
Love your channel and the information you provide. The floor pan vids cam in handy for putting in a new section in my Road Runner and after watching this video I went out and purchased some of super mat. Can't wait to try it. Thanks for all the info you guys post!
wow i just found this channel and this is really good quality I'm going to subscribe for more
@Jordy Toby do it was definitely worth it
6 minutes of information packed into a 20 minute video
And nicely you stuck around for all 20 minutes
@@AutoRestoMod yeah I'm an optimist, kept waiting for the good part
Very well. As we said we like Lizard Skin for some things; like for instance the rear facing seat well on the wagon. We'll be putting Lizard Skin sound and heat control on the outside of the well since it will be a high traffic area and this product (without carpet) will not fair well under foot.
Thanks kneespliter! We will not be at SEMA this year; budgets just won't allow us to go. We're hoping for a trip next year, but even so we would be just walking around taking it all in.
You got it! Consider it done!
great show! i always look forward to each new episode! thank you very much. will you guys be attending SEMA this year? if so when and what booth?
Nice how-to vid. I'm sold.
The thermometer readings convinced me. Gotta get some (insulation).
IR guns caution that reflective material and glass might not give you the true readings... But ok.
great details on the underlayment as a guide! thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Great job and ideas
Be sure to let the sales guys know you saw it here!
great channel youhave helped with my classic i subscribe
Adding insulation on the floorplan, firewall behind the engine and even beneath the headliner should help reduce heat and noise. This is especially needed for cars with air cooled engines, such as Porsche and other sports cars.
Makes good roof insulation.👍
Gotta glue it up.
My Miata has very little to no insulation under the carpets and there's a lot of heat coming through the transmission tunnel. I've read that pretty much any insulation will quiet it down in there a bit too (kind of a secondary concern with a flip top. I'm definitely looking to make this car cooler in Florida summers. I think it would fit in the back of that big Ford too...
nice. might add to project list
Thanks I feel more confident doing this to my Maverick
Amazing video. thank you. I have a 2005 Toyota 4Runner and it gets so hot near my feet and sadly once the car is over 90 the A/C just doesn't seem to make a difference anymore. What are your thoughts of me setting the material in the engine compartment, in the channel around the exhaust and inside the SUV on the floor panels?
Yeah we were digging that 76 degree reading off of the carpet. It would make a huge difference--if we got the back window in the wagon...
Thanks!
Nice!
Thanks I'll do it on my JEEP RUBICON 😎😎😎
Great demo so thanks for posting.
"Age and a rough life"..... Cute 👍👍👍🔔🔔
" I wouldn't recommend putting your sandwich back in "
YOU'RE NOT MY DAD, YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!!.
I threw it on the GROUND
Subscribed !
Curious to hear if and how this compares to the Lizardskin product you reviewed three years ago.
♥ Love great results!♥ Even used Ceramic MicroSpheres with an Elastomeric Paint as in making your own Lizard Skin?? Maybe a product called, "Insuladd" mixed into KST Coating. 5 gallons can go a very long way.
I'm working on a 1964 Belvedere with a 496 Max Wedge having an 8 pack, and being in east Texas it gets pretty warm :)
Love the vids! Thanks for sharing.
Reflective heat shields over the exhaust pipes (like never cars have) are great. Use flashing aluminum spaced 1/4" from floor boards. Or stainless... Even foil tape works but is not permanent.
Dynamat stuff on the bare firewall first helps the sound a lot.
Lots of street rods over decades, and am doing the pipe reflectors now.
We've looked at reflectors too. Good points.
You guys probably don't want to hear about science and stuff, but a radiant barrier MUST have one side of the foil touching NOTHING or else it will simply conduct the heat through the next material touching it. Otherwise, you're just stalling the heat transfer. Maybe it's enough to get from point A to point B before complaining about the heat.
Don Kingery if nothing else, its an awesome and i mean awesome sound barrier. For that alone, its worth the money especially on a muscle car with 400+ hp and 3 inch exhaust...not to mention it does run cooler. Eventually ,yes, after hours, you are right, its all the same temp. But think about 99% of the people using this type product. They are building a weekend touring car to go to car shows, restaurants, beach, etc. Most of these trips are under an hour. It slows the heat transfer down considerably so much that in that hour , the car is definitely easier to cool.
Yes. On those points, I follow your argument.
I think the denim jute between the foil is there for that same reason
POR -15 is a humectant, and cures with the moisture and extra oxygen molecules on surface RUST. water can and does creep under primer that's coated with por15. I also use it in low lying areas, bare metal thats rough, or surface rust... Might be ok for your location but its meant to bond to metal... Good video and Ill be trying the bonded logic, thanks!
PS, No Gloves with POR15 ?? OMGGG you are a brave soul..
Thanks for the tips on the POR-15. Normally we do remove the paint, the pans were already in epoxy primer from the body shop. Jeff decided on the POR-15 as a bit of additional insurance. Jeff was out of gloves and did live to regret the lack of gloves.
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POR-15 Should NEVER be used in a vehicle cab as recent tests show the MDI in it releases TOXIC fumes continuously, the health risks are enough to disqualify! Glad I searched prior to installing.
Done a bunch of them. Cars just aren't that air tight.
Around $28.
That's a nice automobile
We've redone the interior so it has improved even more!
Great video! Is there a need for any jute carpet padding after applying a heat barrier and before installing the cars upholstery?
That depends on the carpet set. If the Jute is causing a hump, I'd remove it. if not, it is just one more layer of heat protection.
HI!
Quick question, I've installed the foil close cell foam type mat in my car and have been told by someone that the foil is going to cause rust from condensation build up.
I quote...
"I only have concerns about water condensation underneath it I've pulled loads of that stuff off cars and there's always rust on the panel joints"
Is This true in your knowledge?
Did you use any adhesive to adhere the insulation to the floor, if so what did you use? TY in advance.
We used metal duct tape to adhere the panels to the floor. We don't like to use glue on this stuff just so that it would be easier to remove if we need to do any work on the floors.
Thanks this is nice.
Iwantto addsomething to my 95t600 kenworth
I want to put a 90's 5.0 in my 66 mustang is there a way to get it in using same timing cover and oil pan
I’ll the same thing to my nova 65 thanks guys
You are welcome.
very nice, a question; is it also effective to use armaflex sheets instead?
Thanks! We haven't used the Armaflex so we can't say.
Baker Akram hmmm maybe. Id consider the flame or burn factor and in that case, rule out armaflex. The purpose built car insuation has a very low flame and smoke factor. The armaflex as i am a hvac tek can easily be chared with torch and puts out an all but deadly horrible black smoke. I cant imagine a whole car of armaflex smoking!!! The rescue team couldnt do anything to save you !!! Ok the last part was a bit of a stretch but it would be a much higher degree of challenge to get to you with a 30 foot wall of smoke thats black as any black youd ever imagine. I know this is all worse case scenario, but for that alone, id stick with a few more bucks and put the stuff in that has passed the torch test
Where did you guys get the metal duct tape from? Can't find a roll that big
+von19888 Most big Home improvement centers will carry it. It will be over in the Air Conditioning section with the duct work.
Summit doesn't carry this anymore and everything is self adhesive now. Was there an issue with this product
Hey guys! Neat show! Just want to know did you make a video for that rear view mirror install. Its looks pretty modern and a neat install...
ashraf pasha I was curious about the mirror too. They do it in Episode 129. th-cam.com/video/wQkiiPTXil0/w-d-xo.html
While I couldn’t find that mirror at NPD, I did find it at Summit Racing. www.summitracing.com/parts/dak-mmr1. I’ve also found one very similar made by Gentex for a little cheaper.
I bet the Bonded Logic installation also helps with "sound deadening" of the car interior!!!
Could. But we feel that it would have to bond it to the floor.We are planning to do some new stuff that FinishMaster stocks. This will be done on the F100, Col. Mustard cause the F100 is the best tin can we know.
What is the finishmaster product you referred to?
I haven't replaced carpet and underlayment before, but my car came with the carpet kit. So should I put the underlayment on top of the Bonded Logic before the carpet, or only the Bonded Logic and carpet?
I will place the carpet with the underlayment (underlayment on top of the Bonded Logic) to see how it lays. Often, I find that the underlayment adds too much bulk.
Thank you for the advice, I will check it out when I get to that point, probably early Spring.
i know your vid is 8 yrs old, but it's what i was finally looking for. a newbie doing a van project (96 econoline) and the trendy vids are useless. thanks for the info and humor! if you read comments, will you please let me know your opinion on one idea: if i line my walls with molle panels to strap small bags to, etc, then could i stitch or glue this to the back of the molle panels and have it help insulate the walls too? seems like it should work great there too. thanks, b
I would probably adhere it to the truck walls. Aluminum side to the interior.
@@AutoRestoMod thanks. I put some in under a rubber layer but didn’t tape it down with hvac tape. A day later, I lifted it up to run a wire and found moisture underneath. I’m in colorado so we don’t have high humidity but it did rain heavy that night. I did paint with por15. Do I have to replace the rubber with breathable carpet?
Where i can order it?
Were can I get this stuff redoing a 70 skylark
You can put also insulation on the roof panel
True.
Can anyone tell me if this insulation sheet is that much effective then why car companies don't apply this in car.
Does the bonded logic material do much with sound? Or is it just a heat bearer. By the way thank you for the wonderful videos!
+fred will Fred, all we ask is that you share us in your internet travels! Yes, it does help control sound too.
Thank you. I have told some people about you.
Well I'll think of you guys while I'm at the show then, want me to pick you up anything and send it to you?
was almost sold on this stuff until i read that it burns quite easily.. trying to find the best insulation for heat/noise.. decently priced helps too..
The product has a fire retardant in it according to the manufacturer. Keep in mind that most products are flammable in classic cars.
@@AutoRestoMod hmmm. may reconsider then. i just read a review that someone tested a small piece that caught and sustained a flame. summit stopped carrying it for some reason though, so i'll have to shop elsewhere.
Did you glue the heat barrier to the floor? Would you glue carpet to the heat barrier?
We did not. Primarily due to the fact that we are planning to install new carpet in the car down the road. If you use the metal duct tape around the perimeter it should be fine. Our thing is, we'd rather be able to easily pull the barrier and or the carpet out and not have to struggle with the outcome of the glue.
+AutoRestoMod good point. I was going to ask that. Since you did't talk about it in the video.
Are you in Dearborn (Detroit) area? Where/how do I find someone to insulate floor in my 1967 Ford Fairlane? I am melting!!!
Honestly it's not that hard to do. You'll just need to remove the interior and work slowly.
i guess since you have so much you could always send it to me for my car build. 71 vw beetle body off resto.
ouch on the rust underneath the primer........its going to come back to haunt you....at the point of discovery,,,it need to be wirewheeled or ground down with a grinder,,then treated with a metal prep to convert rust ...ie the one POR-15 recemends in their steps of there prouduct....Primer doesnt cure rust....I wonder how much rust is lurking under the rest of the primer??? Good Lock with ur project...good vid too.....
What's the name of the heat protector? I need to order some rolls!
Speedway motors carries it under: Aluminized Heat and Noise Insulation Shield, Double Sided.
Www.speedwaymotors.com
Unfortunately, the product tested here is no longer available on ebay. There are quite a few similar options from China available on Amazon. Maybe when you have time in your schedule, do a smackdown with those.
Bonded logic doesn't sell the double foil right now, but they still sell a single layer foil which would work probably just about as well.
I'm assuming this would be great for the roof? Or what would be best for the roof to reduce the heat?
The only issue I have with using it on the roof is the fact that it's a little heavy.
@@AutoRestoMod what's the average weight to cover the roof?
@@AutoRestoMod the one you mention is also not for sale anymore. What would be the best material to reduce heat from the roof? And does it have adhesive already on the material? Also when adding this material can I lay it over the beams? I see in some videos people dont cover the roof beams why is that?
I'm concern i've seen a guy work on his project car and he added this type of heat insulation and a few days later his car caught on fire from the inside. just letting you know what happen.
Thanks! Was it the insulation or something else? The product has a fire retardent in the material.
+AutoRestoMod Muscle Car Resto and Modifications
can't quite remember how it was because its been a year since the incident happen but he told me that when he saw the car everything was hardly noticeable but he put everything in its proper place I'm just not sure why though.
The Lopez Way OK. This product is speced for the car market so...
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Whats the cost for summits barrier?
Similar product at home Depot etc for home heating. -$$--
how about adding that stuff to my windows? it'll keep the heat out while parked right?
Yep. And keep you from seeing where you are going too.
AutoRestoMod Car Restoration Modification was thinking putting them up while parked only
i have some of this in my bronco. works pretty good till it gets wet. Then you better pull it out and dry it off or your floor boards will rust out.
They used to have the double foil. It is now only single foil. If I did it now I'd put the foil face down.
@@AutoRestoMod i went overboard on rust prevention. Sanded the floor down, epoxy primer, por-15, then rustoleum truck bed liner, then rattletrap xxx sound deadening sheets, then the blue Jean foil jute pad, then carpet.
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We agree!
Can you please update the summit link i clicked on it and its not working it pulls up summits page but no part
True Maxx is no longer available. I will fix stuff in the discription but the video link can't be fixed because of TH-cam.
You can still find the double foil on eBay.
Motor trend needs to pick this up
I know many folks from Motortrend. We are too "hot-to" for their taste.
Cool! (Literally)
What about noise reduction? I don't believe you mentioned that.
Is an expensive product worth the extra bucks, or will the cheaper ones do the job?
I am currently restoring a 69 Camaro and your channel is pretty darn helpful :-) Thank you!
We'll say that the cab of the wagon was noticeably quieter with the carpet and Tru Mat. But we didn't do a Db test before the install...and even if we had it would have be flawed as the car has enough side window air leaks to qualify them as screen doors. And don't get us started on the back window that is for the time being perpetually down due to window run gasket failure.
We will say this: All of these products have their place. We used Dynamat Xtreme in some areas (over the Flowmaster Mufflers) and plan to use Lizard Skin sound and heat control on the underside of the rear facing seat area since this will be seeing a lot of foot traffic when we are shooting car-to-car video.
LOL No. Just go around and tell the vendors you've seen on here how completely sold you are on us and the products we install! =)
What was the insulation you used from summit racing?
Right now it is out of stock. It was called Trumax.
Has anyone been able to get the double sided anywhere? The stuff on eBay is single sided.
They stopped production of the double sided sadly.
Isn't aluminum sheet a good conductor of electricity?
Yeah. But i don't plan to run exposed wires on it...
What was the name of this product?
Tru Max: www.summitracing.com/parts/tru-30000-12406
Do you still need the underlayment figured it would be to thick?
We removed the factory jute on our application. What we'd recommend you do is put down the Super Insulator and then install the carpet over it to see how it lays. If you get a good or better fit then we'd install the Super-Insulator and the carpet with jute.
Is there some kind of adhesive on the bottom?
No, you can use an adhesive but the metal duct tape works really well to keep it in place. With the carpet set in there will be no real movement. We prefer to not put any adhesive down to make it easy to do any work on the carpet or what ever.
Autorestomod Manic Mechanic Gasoline Media wait was the black paint than? I thought that was glue
POR 15 rust encapsalator
David Charles, which exact product on their website did you use? www.frostking.com/
so does this mean my 66 mustangs A/C will finally cool my cars interior?
That depends on both the system and the engine's heat development. If you are getting under 50 at the vent it will help. Be advised that the trumax product has been out of stock for a good while at Summit.
ES12a Industrial refrigerant is super cold, straight drop in for 12, 134, 1234. 👍
Less than $20 per car.
Mine does vent 43* on 111* day.... In town.😁
What if it was applied with spray glue?
Most but not all spray glues are pretty wimpy. You'd have to use a spray gun landau glue for good tack.
What's this insulation called
It was called True Maxx but is no longer available in the double foil. You can still find the single foil from Bonded Logic out there.
Can’t find this on summit
Bonded Logic stopped carrying that type of insulation. They still offer it in a single side foil. Speedway Motors carries that.
Dynamat is the best,
+Shawn P Dynamant is awesome and does have it's applications We like the Bonded Logic product too.
+AutoRestoMod Muscle Car Resto and Modifications I've never used it,but I'll try it out when I get to that stage.i picked up a 1975 Chevy pickup "running " waiting for the weather to break before I start stripping and find the hidden expenses
"B-Quiet"... Similar at 1/4 $ of dynamat
hi!
What do you think about using this with a headliner?
It can be heavy with the double aluminum.I'd say that the single foil would be great. Maybe use a contact adhesive rather than spray on. Seems to hold better in the long haul.
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I am pretty sure that POR15 is not for painted surfaces. It will not have good adhesion.
True.
how much it cost I have 1980 Toyota corolla
The style we used is no longer available.
And he does mean for “DAYS!” That shit won’t come off nothing!
Anybody know if there is a way I can sound deaden and insulate without having to get straight at the sheet-metal? There is plywood drilled into the sheet-metal floor of my Class B motorhome with a ton of stuff on top of the wood, so itd be great if I didn't have to demolish the place.. can I just do it on top of the wood or does it have to make contact with the sheet-metal?
If the motorhome is carpeted you could possibly put this stuff down without having to do anything but take up the carpet.
I would just pull up the carpet down to the plywood and then install MLV sheeting (Mass Load Vinyl) which can be purchased in large rolls and with variable thickness. Just be aware that the thicker you go, the more cost and more weight it will add. Check out SuperSoundProofingSales dot com. Their prices seem to be very reasonable.
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How can I pay it?
How con you pay it?
instead of POR-15--------- look into a product called Silver Bullet. OUTSTANDING PRODUCT!!!
+Logan S Cool thanks for the heads up Logan! We are always looking for new and interesting products. And that video is a couple of years old. Looks like the product is called Rust Bullet?
+AutoRestoMod Muscle Car Resto and Modifications Yes, I"m sorry, Rust Bullet. I have restored 2 mid 70s Trans Ams with it and the science behind it solid. They use it for treating rusted bridges, have govt naval contracts etc. Sprays very well and it won't come off of anything. Once dried I tried scraping it off of a piece and it was like metal. Superior adhesion!! It didn't come off of my hands for weeks. Give her a try. I love all of your videos. Great work.
We'll give them a call and see about getting some in to show.
left out the single most important part, the actual installation! this video doesn’t really give much info, too bad
Dang Harry, we show you ALL of the important things. Installation isn't hard after you cut the product to the correct size.
too bad you did not show the temp with the stock floor carpet-
We didn't but Jeff did take a temp reading and it was almost no different than the reading off of the bare floor pan.
So i didn't block the heat? It dosent work for heat blocking?
Please Stop and let go of my Feet!!!