Holy shit this Casablanca chess is fucking AMAZING. Like, we can now see how modern players would play against each other from positions of past world championship matches and see how the strategies have developed over the years. This is also like skipping directly to before the climax is supposed to be.
Casablanca chess on computers would even be more interesting and awesome, imagine the plays that the computers can do in certain positions in that particular game, it will either be a bloody battle or just a simple draw but we know that is never the case most of the time and computers will always find a way to win in the most insane ways possible
@@Q420-m9cThat's how chess engines are ranked when the play against each other, they play a bunch of games against each other in various openings. The openings are predetermined.
It's another way to fix problem that Fischer random was made to deal with. None of this memorizing book openings, computer lines, etc. just straight into where the game has the most play
I love it for several reasons. 1. They are all professional players and still they come up with different ideas in the same position. 2. I just love the concept of putting top players in sharp positions that the computer claims to be even just to show how easy it is to go wrong even if you're one of the best in the world.
Gotham, I am kind of new to the world of chess. Even though I have been watching you for years, I never really started playing until my precious wife gave me your book for Christmas. I finally started reading it and studying this beautiful game, and I want to say thanks. I am not young enough to have goals in PC games like Dota that I played before; I know I will suck soon-you can't stop aging. But chess is different. I can see myself in 50 years playing with my grandchildren. That's just magnificent. And when the day comes, I will be telling them about GM Levy, the reason why I started to play. Good luck on your journey!
I think this new format is absolutely amazing. When computers play each other now this is what happens. Extending this to the top players is great because it becomes more about who’s the better player not who memorized the most lines. It could be really cool if they let the community vote on different positions to make the game more engaging to an audience
They let the Chat decide which position the players should start with in a poll at one point in another game they had the players vote amongst themselves
24:44 Magnus didn't rush anything, according to the tournament situation a draw was simply enough for him so he decided to go for an easy draw instead of pushing for the win. He said in the interview that he actually saw that Bf1 line where you sac the a2 pawn and rely on the attack, but he didn't want to go for it since there is always a risk of messing up.
See, I think the issue with Casablanca chess is yes, it will always be an equal position but that doesn’t mean it’s a humanly equal position. Some moves will just come naturally to one side than the other, so there’s going to be a big RNG element wether u get a easy to play position or hard to play position. But that actually makes it a lot more fun, still less deterministic though.
Predictions for the next title he is going to put: - Magnus and Hikaru play chess 2.0 - New format chess: NO PREP! - Crazy new format played by Magnus and Hikaru
This is the internet now. Just chanting the things we've seen a hundred times. It will be this until we come up with a codified abbreviation of these chants. And then we will chant the abbreviation until we fade into dust.
Fun fact: The name of the tactic “x-ray attack” could not have even existed during the Chigoran vs Steinitz game because it was in 1889 and x-rays were discovered in November of 1895.
TCEC (the top computer chess competition) already does this although it's not always 15 moves and the positions are chosen to be slightly imbalanced, and the computers play both sides of the same opening against each other in a pair of games. the reason the openings are chosen to be slightly imbalanced is to raise the chances that the result of the two games isn't tied, i.e. one of the computers wins one game and draws the other
@xfKYZacTri sure it's a good idea. Just lower the depth and make sure each side has a similar amount of playability You could even pick 3 positions per game and players bid on positions something to agree on a position.
show them 3 positions, each one rank them, both 3 places are removed, if only one is left, that one get played. else if both find the same the best, thats played. if not, random dice roll?@@visibletoallusersonyoutube5928
i love the new format, and also love (as always) your analysis of it. As mentioned, the weakness of the new format comes if one person knows the analysis of the historical position while the other does not. Could this be avoided by having the engine randomly generate a mathematically equal position? Also though the hidden beauty of this format is that it will encourage deeper studying of historical matches rather than memorizing opening lines down to the nth level. That's a good thing.
2 from commentators 2 from viewers 2 from players Fide gives 3 random options, they choose 1 Total 6 games Players know the game only 2 minutes before match start
I like the idea of random positions with 10+ pawns and/or pieces and there are at least 3 moves that keep the eval bar at 0.5 or lower. Basically, you just don't want a position where if they miss the only move they are completely lost.
I have a game show type idea for you: You get random positions, and you guess who has a better one and for how much. That would make us better at chess, + it would be very entertaining
The positions are equal in a sense where if they all get the best move its a drawn? 'Cause, couldnt we argue that in 1:36 black have a slight better position in termes of protection the king and black also have attack on the white's Q side...?
I really like this new format because it’s short and modern. Some food for thought would be to literally highlight the key ideas once for each position to get less experienced players on board with what’s happening in a blink of and eye
bro this is actually fun af like its so exiting what format we can do with this one...like maybe we can make the players choose thier color like armagedon or like themes for the games like seasons stuff...make the game more enjoyable
My idea for a new form of chess would be to have the option to pass instead of moving a piece. For each pass you are gaining a "point". You then can use those points to get new pieces, 1 point for a pawn, 3 points for a knight or bishop, 5 for a rook and 9 for a queen. Those would be set on a standard starting potition of the piece. Whats you thought on it?
I think its funny levy watches the games before making the recaps and then during the games speaks and acts like he predicted the moves they were doing next like he didn't watch any of the videos beforehand
Dude is s selling his channel short. Watching Gotham videos will be the favorite pastime for the Eloi as they try not to think about the Morlock’s upcoming snack time
I met magnus and hikaru and i really loved the event in my country. I played some games on those boards i won them. Happy for this event. Also thank you @GothamChess for the recap
Good to see OTB chess organizers implementing the "play from position" button IRL. Next up, Casablanca-Capablanca chess where your archbishop and chancellor might not be on their starting squares.
We used to practice like this in chess club 10 years ago. Using chessmaster 11 game database. Choose a masters game one. Move 8-11 and each person plays it from both perspectives. Always had great fun and learned alot
Hey, 15:20, why not do Qxc3? Can't see if you can make it out with the queen, but at least you get an extra pawn before taking the knight. WHY THE KNIGHT BTW? Why not the rook?
"this game was from 150 years ago... Some of you weren't even alive back then" 🤣
Show of hands. Who was alive 150 years ago? Somebody? Anybody??
@@cormacmacassery4702 🙋♂️
@@cormacmacassery4702 Sorry, I died 155 years ago.
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That made me laugh out loud which just makes me feel old
Holy shit this Casablanca chess is fucking AMAZING. Like, we can now see how modern players would play against each other from positions of past world championship matches and see how the strategies have developed over the years. This is also like skipping directly to before the climax is supposed to be.
Casablanca chess on computers would even be more interesting and awesome, imagine the plays that the computers can do in certain positions in that particular game, it will either be a bloody battle or just a simple draw but we know that is never the case most of the time and computers will always find a way to win in the most insane ways possible
@@Q420-m9cThat's how chess engines are ranked when the play against each other, they play a bunch of games against each other in various openings. The openings are predetermined.
@@SharatSBut it's only openings - not random positions like with Casablanca
It's another way to fix problem that Fischer random was made to deal with. None of this memorizing book openings, computer lines, etc. just straight into where the game has the most play
Some sort of like "can I still save this blunder move they made decades ago?"
9:14 "this game was from 150 years ago... Some of you weren't even alive back then" so nostalgic 🥲
Yeah just some of us lol
Those would be the Biden voters.
And a lot of them voted for the current president apparently.
this implies at least some of the viewers were alive back then.
@@purple-47 you figured out the joke good job
We really got Chess 2.0 before Gotham became a GM💀
Now he'll become a GM in Chess 2.0
@@timepass4783this is funny. What do you mean pin of shame?
We’ll get gta 6 before gotham becomes a GM.
At this point Levy is gonna Become GM before Gta 6
Pin my shame
I love it for several reasons. 1. They are all professional players and still they come up with different ideas in the same position. 2. I just love the concept of putting top players in sharp positions that the computer claims to be even just to show how easy it is to go wrong even if you're one of the best in the world.
Gotham, I am kind of new to the world of chess. Even though I have been watching you for years, I never really started playing until my precious wife gave me your book for Christmas. I finally started reading it and studying this beautiful game, and I want to say thanks. I am not young enough to have goals in PC games like Dota that I played before; I know I will suck soon-you can't stop aging. But chess is different. I can see myself in 50 years playing with my grandchildren. That's just magnificent. And when the day comes, I will be telling them about GM Levy, the reason why I started to play. Good luck on your journey!
unless i die in the apocalypse 30 years from now... shieeet
Chess is a truly beautiful game, and Levy is a wonderful ambassador for it.
Can just someone realise how wholesome that was way to go buddy cheers🎉
An absolutely beautiful post. Best wishes to both you and Levy!
this is genuinely a very wholesome comment. Good luck on your chess journey!
Levy never fails to milk Hiknus Nakarlsen.
Ok bozo
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@@maximodelvalle4030Mango Nakanaka
Nd u never fail to prove ur a 8 y/o
We got Levy and Hikaru playing new chess before GTA6
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I really enjoyed the Casablanca chess format. Hope to see it more in future with more players
this format within low elo chess would be pure chaos
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Low elo chess always a chaos
I think this new format is absolutely amazing. When computers play each other now this is what happens. Extending this to the top players is great because it becomes more about who’s the better player not who memorized the most lines. It could be really cool if they let the community vote on different positions to make the game more engaging to an audience
They let the Chat decide which position the players should start with in a poll at one point in another game they had the players vote amongst themselves
The community vote could either end up being really interesting or completely unbalanced, lmao
@@pietrocatalano4285I think they gave chat a limited number of choices that were all fairly even but with imbalances
Well, computers play paired games. Each takes a turn playing white and playing black. They don't start from equal positions most of the time.
Lot of fun, and also enjoyed the way you presented it with the historical context. 10/10 would watch more of these.
I hope they'll nerf queen in the next update. Queen has been op for too many years
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And buff the king
they gotta rework the pawns aswell
New chess is TransChess, where the king identifies as a queen.
This is the analysis I was looking for comparing old and new. I felt commentary during match missed this. Thanks
150 years , some of u weren't even alive then 😂
None of us were alive 😭
@@ZelephsDogI don’t know about you but I was, turning 210 this year
@@ZelephsDogany vampires in chat
@@ZelephsDog What are you talking about, I remember playing with my grandchildren at that time.
some of us are >150 years old ........ lol
Levy never fails to milk Magnus and Hikaru both at the same time.
Get a life nigga
This mental image isn’t something I needed in my head
😂😂@@C0mpaczubzer0
Sounds like Levy runs a genetic material gathering centre.
Nowdays comments are getting insane
24:44 Magnus didn't rush anything, according to the tournament situation a draw was simply enough for him so he decided to go for an easy draw instead of pushing for the win.
He said in the interview that he actually saw that Bf1 line where you sac the a2 pawn and rely on the attack, but he didn't want to go for it since there is always a risk of messing up.
This format is some sort of "can this game still be saved?" and I am digging it.
See, I think the issue with Casablanca chess is yes, it will always be an equal position but that doesn’t mean it’s a humanly equal position. Some moves will just come naturally to one side than the other, so there’s going to be a big RNG element wether u get a easy to play position or hard to play position. But that actually makes it a lot more fun, still less deterministic though.
The games were chosen by garry kasparov and other GMs, im pretty sure they know how to evaluate a position on a human level too.
9:16 I don't think anyone was levy 🤣
I was
He commentbaited you succesfully
Us... damnit
Exactly
@mickwous2795 you too (oh shit)
Predictions for the next title he is going to put:
- Magnus and Hikaru play chess 2.0
- New format chess: NO PREP!
- Crazy new format played by Magnus and Hikaru
An other one could be : "HIKARUUUU !!!! MAGNUUUUUS !!!"
This tournament show Magnus is the goat in every variant
Another one could be CHESS 20000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the internet now. Just chanting the things we've seen a hundred times. It will be this until we come up with a codified abbreviation of these chants. And then we will chant the abbreviation until we fade into dust.
@@emanuellucinabsolutely, THE GOAT
I love that you included the historical game first and then went through the new games. This video was exceptional.
This has been the most entertaining chess video. This Casablanca format is really nice
Fun fact: The name of the tactic “x-ray attack” could not have even existed during the Chigoran vs Steinitz game because it was in 1889 and x-rays were discovered in November of 1895.
In an alternate timeline,levy never fails to milk Alexandra botez and Anna cramling
I love this format, it’s very similar to an idea I had which is where you start about 15 moves into a random variation of an opening.
TCEC (the top computer chess competition) already does this although it's not always 15 moves and the positions are chosen to be slightly imbalanced, and the computers play both sides of the same opening against each other in a pair of games. the reason the openings are chosen to be slightly imbalanced is to raise the chances that the result of the two games isn't tied, i.e. one of the computers wins one game and draws the other
@@psymar yeah that's where I got the idea from. I forgot to mention that they would play both sides to make it balanced as well.
To make this format more full proof, The organisers should use engine games instead of famous historical games
@xfKYZacTri sure it's a good idea.
Just lower the depth and make sure each side has a similar amount of playability
You could even pick 3 positions per game and players bid on positions something to agree on a position.
show them 3 positions, each one rank them, both 3 places are removed, if only one is left, that one get played. else if both find the same the best, thats played. if not, random dice roll?@@visibletoallusersonyoutube5928
i love the new format, and also love (as always) your analysis of it. As mentioned, the weakness of the new format comes if one person knows the analysis of the historical position while the other does not. Could this be avoided by having the engine randomly generate a mathematically equal position? Also though the hidden beauty of this format is that it will encourage deeper studying of historical matches rather than memorizing opening lines down to the nth level. That's a good thing.
''That was 150 years ago, some of you weren't even alive then!''
...bro wdym
he's trying not to exclude any vampires in the audience
Yes because at that time also Levy was trying to become GM from IM.
he's not wrong tho
10:42 - 10:46 - PLS! Someone just cut that to out of context!! xDD
Hahahaga
Good stuff 💀
5:14 -5:17
💀💀💀💀💀
YOURE RIGHT LEZZ GO
This is like playing from a puzzle till the end.
I love the concept of this format. Can you share how the positions were chosen and how/when they were revealed to the players?
2 from commentators
2 from viewers
2 from players
Fide gives 3 random options, they choose 1
Total 6 games
Players know the game only 2 minutes before match start
I am sure Hikaru and Magnus both won 1st and 2nd place only to be milked in a video by Levi Rizzman💀💀
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Levy*
Its part of the joke bro😭😭
Brainrot
Hate bot, probably in a bot farm in Russia, which is ironic
Such a great idea, would love to see more of this!
Levy never fail to be milked by hikagus carmoral
sus hikagus
I like the idea of random positions with 10+ pawns and/or pieces and there are at least 3 moves that keep the eval bar at 0.5 or lower. Basically, you just don't want a position where if they miss the only move they are completely lost.
did they finally allow bishops and queens to en passant?
That's be so cool. I had the same idea for sometime but for knighta
Levy never fails
Magnus vs Hikary
The Rooooooookk
Title of the video was 'Magnus and Hikary try new chess'
Pin of Shame
Lmao you just put all the buzzwords into one comment
Don't forget the more recent "we got thing before gta 6"
Hikary Dickary Doo
Gothamchess brain rot Speedrun
The 5 horsemen gothamchess comments
Nice and interesting format. I love your enthusiasm reporting and explaining these games.
bassem crazy for that queen move fr
I really love this format, it highlights how different players approach the same position and thats so fun to watch
I loved this format honestly
I have a game show type idea for you:
You get random positions, and you guess who has a better one and for how much.
That would make us better at chess, + it would be very entertaining
Bro is surely gonna become GM(M)-Grand Milker of Magnus
I like this because we get to judge the players like way more than we normally can
Throwing in some computer games would be really fun
Damn, they really do still be inventing new chess formats.
We got chess 2 before GTA6
FFFFIRRRRRSSSSSTTTT, AND HE SACRIFICES THE FIRSTTTTTT
ALL MY 476 RATING HOMIES RISE UP!!!!
What about 298
Ayy 164 and upp
The positions are equal in a sense where if they all get the best move its a drawn? 'Cause, couldnt we argue that in 1:36 black have a slight better position in termes of protection the king and black also have attack on the white's Q side...?
9:15 "some of you" 💀
"We don't care about the engine" -Levy. What if it's better than you?? 🤣🤣
Levy just casually forgetting to put Vishy in the title
ifkr smh pissed me off
For the second game where the queen get "trapped", why not take c3 pawn
I had the exact same question, did you manage to figure out?
GOTHAM sacrifices the stare in the intro
I really like this new format because it’s short and modern. Some food for thought would be to literally highlight the key ideas once for each position to get less experienced players on board with what’s happening in a blink of and eye
Levy Rizzmans parents (Hikaru and Magnus) must be so proud of him.
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These games where a player lets a queen or other piece into their back ranks because they know they can trap it are absolutely fascinating to me.
Thank you Levy for the vids as always
They could make a tournament out of this by making some sort of team chess format - 2 players and one gets each side of the position to play
The title is "Manus and Hikaru Try NEW CHESS" now
bro this is actually fun af like its so exiting what format we can do with this one...like maybe we can make the players choose thier color like armagedon or like themes for the games like seasons stuff...make the game more enjoyable
Levy is on the verge of hitting 5M subs so on eve of this, please bring GTE ❤
My idea for a new form of chess would be to have the option to pass instead of moving a piece. For each pass you are gaining a "point". You then can use those points to get new pieces, 1 point for a pawn, 3 points for a knight or bishop, 5 for a rook and 9 for a queen. Those would be set on a standard starting potition of the piece.
Whats you thought on it?
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the problem is it could wind up going forever in some endgames
0:40 this is where gotham mentions magnus carlsen.
Having a chess format that is a puzzle 1v1 is quite interesting and does spice it up the quite a bit.
levy casually tag teaming both hikaru and magnus at the same time
My man gaming the algorithm with that 150 years ago joke.
Kudos to Levy.
Who is here in 2054🎉🎉🎉🎉
TH-cam no longer exists
@@guggzyAI will have created something better.
TH-cam and other websites were hijacked in the 5th world war
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I think its funny levy watches the games before making the recaps and then during the games speaks and acts like he predicted the moves they were doing next like he didn't watch any of the videos beforehand
Dang bro 8 minutes and over a hundred comments? Levy's the goat
Dude is s selling his channel short. Watching Gotham videos will be the favorite pastime for the Eloi as they try not to think about the Morlock’s upcoming snack time
I can’t tell if I’m having a stroke reading this
Gotham never fails to milk magnus and hikaru
Magnus: moves his black king forward
Lelouch Vi Britania: congratulates you
Bro took 43 seconds to milk Magnus
“where we dropping?” “Byrne v. Fischer, 1956”
Morocco mentioned lesgoooooo
I met magnus and hikaru and i really loved the event in my country. I played some games on those boards i won them. Happy for this event. Also thank you @GothamChess for the recap
Nice
Thats really cool
@@Ploeppsel Thank you
Black king is like: “NOT EVEN CLOSE BABY BLACK KING NEVER DIES!”
Chess update(1.46)
I like how Magnus fianchettoed his bishop on the middle of the board
If I use fortnite the kids will think im cool
BRO I WATCH UR SFA VIDS NO WAY U COMMENT ON GOTHAM UR GOATED BRO I AM A BIG FAN OOOOOOO ❤
Good to see OTB chess organizers implementing the "play from position" button IRL. Next up, Casablanca-Capablanca chess where your archbishop and chancellor might not be on their starting squares.
Damn now he milkin both hikeroo and mango in one video, he’s improving.
6:10 Thats about as safe as the king could POSSIBLY be on that square lol
OMFG the clockbait is just geting repetive just embarisin
How was that a clickbait even?
Repetitive and embarrassing
@@michaelmassaro4375 but this wasn't even a clickbait, they were in fact confused and they did in fact play a new format of chess
Just unsuscribe and block, man. Milking the "milking" comment is embarrassing af.
I like this format, thanks for covering the game Levy
Levy milking Hikaru Carlsen and Magnus Nakamura for his content now 💀
How old are you buddy
"150yrs ago, some of you weren't even alive".... Dude's hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
Magnus Milker: The Sequel
"The game of chess has been around for THOUSANDS of years"
Oil up
“Some of you weren’t even alive back then…” 😂
Yes
Congrats, you're first!
1:07 made me laugh out loud, was not expecting that. could listen to u talk for hours levy....
Gotham looks like a Walmart Daniel Radcliffe
Damn, from the preview i thought they would play a game backwards, from near-draw position to the starting one :D
Maybe a way to balance it would be to find equal positions that haven't been reached before
If you could find a way to randomly generate equal positions instead of historical ones then I think there could really be something here
We used to practice like this in chess club 10 years ago. Using chessmaster 11 game database. Choose a masters game one. Move 8-11 and each person plays it from both perspectives. Always had great fun and learned alot
Hey, 15:20, why not do Qxc3? Can't see if you can make it out with the queen, but at least you get an extra pawn before taking the knight. WHY THE KNIGHT BTW? Why not the rook?