I have learned more about firearm function from a music teacher that I have learned from all my gun enthusiasts friends to date ! Thanks for the education 👏
You're one of the few people talking about this assassination with a technical viewpoint. Very interesting times we're living through, but im glad i found your channel. Have a great day!
Booster. Your channel and Ian from Forgotten Weapons I regularly follow. Ian also made a comment on the assassins weapon. I think Ian believes that it wasn’t a Wellrod.
Well done. Only the second time I've viewed your channel and I find it refreshing to see thorough firearms knowledge combined with facts and reasoning presented in an eloquent and articulate way on a youtube channel - nay - the internet as a whole. And all by a guy who is making the world a better place through his paid gig as a *music teacher* - that's icing on the cake right there. I am probably subscribed to less than five youtube channels and I reckon I'll boost that number by one today. Cheers and thanks.
You are 100% correct in your assessment. One thing you did not mention is the fact that a shooter has to twist the slide lock to unlock and pull then push it forward and twist it again to lock it. Then there is the fact that one can see gas blowback (In the Video) around the ejection port area on the first round that was fired which would indicate that the slide is not a twist and lock type (which would defeat the purpose and design of the Station-Six and VP9 Pistol) There was some speculation going around that a Glock was used that can be quickly be confirmed by looking at the used primer (All Glock owners know I'm talking about) but the NYPD is sitting on it for good reason.
I was a gun collector for a long time, a cop for longer, and did a few years as a gunsmith. From what I saw in the limited video was gas escaping from the ejection port when the shot was fired. It was cold and like seeing your breath, you could see the breath of the pistol
I appreciate how you not only state your opinion, but also demonstrate how you come to that opinion. I watched you first video about this then came directly to this one. Had to subscribe. I bet you are an awesome teacher.
I’ve been watching both of your channels for a while now and I’ve got to say you do a very good job presenting I’m sure your music lessons are very enjoyable because I always enjoy tuning into your videos here 👏
It bothered me the we saw him shoot 3 times yet he left 3 casings and 3 rounds. After watching part one, it became clear to me that he manually racked the slide to leave the live rounds. Thank you for that!
Absolutely brilliantly explained videos pt1 and 2 well done for some clarity and logic and perfect articulation. Making good use of that well learned knowledge. 👌
Love the video. You are an excellent teacher! My experience with NYC police officers has shown me that most of them are NOT knowledgeable in a wide variety of firearms, nor do they have a pro-2A mindset. One former NYC police officer who was working his recently acquired job as an officer in the NW Piedmont of North Carolina, arrested a man after a consent search netted him a “machine gun” that was discovered in the trunk of his vehicle. The “machine gun” was a common, everyday, run-of-the-mill SKS rifle. But to the officer (who had poor firearms knowledge), it was a machine gun. The magistrate refused to issue a warrant. And I could continue with several other similar stories, but perhaps I will save them for another time.
I know why because in NYC all guns are illegal and when you see any gun outside in the public your first reaction is to make an arrest because all guns are illegal. Most cops in NY don’t know anything about guns and half can barely pass they own gun qualification, this is not a joke this is fact so your right.
You're a great teacher, easy to understand. I accidentally learned more in this video, about suppressors, than I ever thought I needed to know lol. There's a lot of "TH-cam experts", but you bring the receipts. Another informative, articulate, video, great job! It's all just speculation and educated guesses at this point. Haters are gonna hate, narcist's are gonna narcist.
Nice presentation, clear concise too the point . From your two video assessments of the shooter's actions I believe you are correct about the situation , good work
I was planning to research because I didn't know anything about a booster. Even though I have suppressors. Thanks for teaching me about the booster. And I love the poster.
Good presentation, I am not in a position to buy a suppressor age 74 with very low cash flow. The demonstration of the different models and mounting systems was interesting. I have several very rare firearms due to having known Elmer Keith and hunted with him I now own 2 of his firearms.
@@thetexasgunvault2 My Mom didn't tell me i had a brother that had been adopted and was likely in Texas. Who else would have so much of their net worth in firearms and RowLecks ... your analysis is beyond criticism. Cheers brother
Booster . Found your channel by chance and definitely some of the best content I've seen so far regarding this subject . It was in one of the first videos of the shooting ( can't remember where ) that you could see gas plumes coming out of the breech every time he shot . Regards from DownUnder
Would you see gas blowback if it was during daytime? He was shooting underneath hotel lobby lights in the dark, causing the smoke to be far more visible than if this was in the sunlight.
@mrmanown Zero gas will come from the chamber of a B&T Station 6 upon discharge period. It's all going out the end of the barrel and through the suppressor. Could there be trapped gas inside the supperssor? Absolutely. But you would have only seen very little travel its way back through the barrel upon opening of the chamber. The gas ejection or blowback from the "Assassin's" weapon was clearly indicative of a semi-auto pistol.
I see your logic about him racking the slide just to eject the rounds with writing without them being fired. But, I don't buy that anyone would plan on doing that, when trying to kill someone quickly on a sidewalk, too much could go wrong just for the sake of leaving some un-fired rounds. I think more likely he wrote on the casings planning on firing them, then decided to just drop them instead, had them in pocket. I think he found out in advance his suppressor was causing the gun not to cycle correctly, for whatever reason, and decided the decrease in volume was worth the trouble of clearing a stovepipe. He may not have had enough time to correct the issue with gun, so just went with it. Just my opinion, good videos you did teach me a lot.
The best video by far of the explanation of the b n t and the v p pistols. Garand Thumb, and Colin Noir did very good reviews as well with pretty much the same conclusion.
I've never heard of this booster mechanism. It's very interesting. I loved the explanation. The tilting barrel is even more ingenious. I really enjoyed this purely from an engineering point of view.
Great presentation and I appreciate the technical analysis. I agree it wasn't a Station Six or VP9. But I do believe he was using a firearm with a suppressor that didn't have a booster, or suffered from some other malfunction. (Perhaps it was a homemade suppressor--like a solvent trap conversion.) I do not believe he intentionally racked the slide to eject live rounds. Instead, the most likely scenario is that he anticipated his gun would not fully eject spent casings after each round and therefore expected to rack the slide after each shot. You can see after his first shot, he racks the slide and then aims and tries to fire again. The gun does not go off, so he racks it again, and then aims a third time and fires the second shot. That is an indicator that a spent casing was still in the chamber after his first effort to clear the handgun was unsuccessful. Additionally, he appears to struggle with clearing and chambering the firearm after the second shot, including doing a palm strike on the back of the slide--suggesting he was having chambering issues. I believe he probably ejected most of the live rounds accidentally after the second shot, while trying to clear the gun. Those points aside, I think the most likely reason he did not intentionally rack a live round out of the chamber after each shot is because such action threatens to ruin the single objective of his attack--eliminate his victim. He knew he had only a few seconds to get fatal shots on target. Why interrupt that main goal and effort by unnecessarily manipulating his firearm? It required him to take his point of aim off of the target, potentially introduce mechanical problems in his firearm, and give his victim time to escape if his first shot was not debilitating. Indeed, from the spotty reports I've seen, he fired three shots and only hit Thompson twice--one of which was in the leg. The other shot (probably the fatal one) was to the back, which is not a guaranteed fatal hit. So, this guy did not aim for the head, missed one shot entirely, and stopped his attack before his victim was deceased. Overall, this appears to be the work of a guy familiar with firearms, but not a professional, and who experienced mechanical problems with his weapon in the midst of his attack.
I have seen the video several times and I agree with your interpretation of the events. From my perspective it looks as though his first shot hits the victim in the leg and then he turns and faces the direction of the shooter while leaning against the building. I’ve heard different stories of him being shot either in the chest or back. But, the shooter definitely misses one is his shots. Were you able to distinguish whether or not the fatal shot was when he eventually walks even closer to the victim when I believe he fell onto the sidewalk? Very bizarre sequences so it will be interesting once more info is released.
There is an explanation for why he didn’t practice with the suppressed firearm before the shooting. He lives in a state where possession of a suppressor is illegal and he had no where to practice with the suppressor on the weapon prior. It is also likely a 3D printer suppressor. They often break down relatively quickly. So even if he did manage to practiced with it before the event, the internal stare of the suppressor likely changed as rounds were fired through it. Additionally, suppressors for 9mm need a counter mechanism to compensate for the weight of the suppressor to fully actuate the slide. Finally, if the words on the casing were engraved like some are reporting, the engraving could have created addition friction in the cycle of the weapon and cause malfunctions. The fact that some shells at the scene were unfired indicates partial feeds. In practice he almost certainly didn’t use engraved rounds.
The booster works on spring recoil. Creating more force backwards to seat the barrel. Likely it was a striker rather than hammer fired looking at how he hits the back with his hand to seat the barrel. Same as a booster would but pushing forward the slider to seat the barrel rather than a booster pushing the barrel back to seat.
Too many people want to have the quickest opinion instead of taking the time to research all the possibilities, considering the limited information from the grainy video. It's better to take your time and give your opinion of what it might be rather than say definitively it absolutely is something, and then wind up being wrong. That's one of the many reasons I like this channel.
Many are Keyboard Warriors you cant tell exactly what gun it is by looking at the crime scene video... You cant tell the difference Great Point Music Man amongst all your other good points
I am impressed with the firearms you own & your technical knowledge. I thought I knew a lot about firearms or maybe just different aspects from you. Was not that interested in suppressors because the sheriff does not allow them unless you create an LLC of NFA Trust.
Great information as always... Concerning the M9/92FS: When I searched for suppressor info a few years ago most opinions were that this platform was generally more reliable/forgiving vs tilt barrel systems. I never read any suggestion that it would be best to not use a booster. I have a CGS MOD9K with booster that works fine on my M9 Commercial. I also have the fixed barrel spacer for this suppressor... So it seems I have an excuse to do some experimentation. Thanks!
It's still short recoil delayed locked breach. So if the suppressor is too heavy without a booster it will cause problems. It's just more forgiving than Browning style lock up.
I agree about the cycling. I don't know how the "Message" was written on the cartridge, but if it was a sharpie, I know from experience that at certain temperatures, it leaves no residue. I work with glass and I use sharpie and/or carbon paper to trace designs on glass. After firing (otther than a gun for sure) the design is go e. I also use white "transfer paper" and that one fires in the glass (at least the brand I use). So there is a chance that we have an additional reason for unfired rounds. I saw a "veterinary gun" being mentioned as a possibility. I have no idea what that is. As far as the guy being a pro, it's certainly possible, but also he could be someone with a good head on his shoulders, some forethought, some training, and one he'll of a revenge motive. I have had military and civilian training (40 years ago) and if I had nothing to lose, let's say I lost someone dear to me to a denied claim, I'd be able to pull something like that off without being a former operator. That said, this guy was a "smooth operator" for sure.
@@thetexasgunvault2 I'd be curious too. Glass melting temps are a lot higher than a round being fired (although, I once had a rounds of a .50 BBMG slip under my collar and it left a mark).
I didn't claim to recognize the gun, but my immediate reaction to seeing the footage was that the killer put a suppressor on some autopistol but didn't change out the recoil assembly for a lighter weight spring (which some of my guns require when a suppressor is mounted) and hadn't tested it, and the brass just didn't extract, so he cleared a regular old type 1 malfunction. Now, that was when one could have assumed he was a New Yorker who didn't have the opportunity to test the gun and suppressor combination, regardless of the other planning he did. Anyway, that said, didn't they say they recovered 3 shell casings and also 3 live rounds from the scene? If that's true, that would be more indicative of malfunctions, one way or the other. Edit: the three live rounds thing was probably just ignorance on the part of some media outlet, not knowing the difference between empty brass and live rounds. Please take that with many grains of salt, if at all.
People are just mean behind the keyboard cause it’s easy to do it. Face to face is very different cause they know better. Consider them childishly cowards to the full extent. Your a music teacher that’s awesome. I’m a musician (primary instrument trombone but also play Tuba and Euphonium) played in the US Army Band for 20 years now retired. I also enjoy my guns and the range. Your pretty lay back and nice to those that I emphasizes earlier to this comment. Good video. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! 🎉🙏🏽👍🏽
My question is when a person is hired for a specific hit, why would the assassin choose a weapon where you will have to be involved in a lot of hand movements.? There were lot of hand movements on the e video footage to take down Thompson. The VP9 and correct me if I am wrong, was created for close range shots yet this guy was about 15 feet away from his target. He aimed based on the video 3 times moving close to the target after the Thompson stumbled and fell in the corner. I thought I saw the assassin take a final shot in the shadows. where none were head shots as far as I know. Curious to know if the New York Medical examiner will do an autopsy and will the autopsy results be released
A Walther P-38 has an action like the beretta you show, and most of the smaller 9mm and 380 Pistols, like a Cz 83 have fixed barrels. Hard to find a suppressor to fit a P38 though.
You raise very interesting questions. Did he intensionally choose a weapon that would not cycle? Was he surprised that the gun did not cycle? He had inscriptions on the shells that he intended to leave behind. Did the gun not cycling reduce the noise? One bullet had not been fired, reportedly. Was this intensional? Overall was his manual cycling smooth like he practiced it before? Too many unanswered questions.
I agree about the intentional racking number of shots vs number of racks seem intentional. If you had a failure on 3 shots you’d only need to rack twice. Just my opinion he wanted to leave the message rounds loaded between rounds.
There is definitely a video out there showing the shooter removing the suppressor. So if you can find that video you'll see which way he's twisting it and you'll know which gun that is.
I have never shot a B&T Station 6.... maybe you have, and my question is.... has there ever been a time when you saw gas coming out from the ejection port when fired being that it's a "bolt-action" style operation? I ask because in the surveillance footage, you can clearly see gas coming out at the ejection port.
@@thetexasgunvault2.... that's what I figured....plus, with how quickly he manipulated the action/slide.... therefore, them saying that it was a Station 6 is wrong.
Correct and if you watch the video slowly you can see that the first round ejected correctly and the slide closed but he still pulled the slide before firing the gun, ejecting a live round that was on the chamber
Beretta 92 series need a booster if the suppressor is too heavy. Mine won't run with a YHM R9 unless the booster is installed. Number I have heard is 7 ounces or less the 92 will run fine.
he also overlooked dumping the murder weapon and jacket, plus he showed his face to a receptionist (and hostel security camera) and jacket. it seems like he may have been lucky, or just focused on the timing and location.
Thanks for the follow up. ''Expert'' is a term that has become a bit nothing due to its media use. Hence I will refer to you Texas Gun Vault as someone whose opinions I value. Cheers.
Great videos regarding the assassination. I am curious as to your thoughts regarding one round into the victims calf? Rather a bad shot don't you think due to the closeness and proximity of the killer?
@ yes, that was written before the arrest. This doiche bag is a total amateur and deserves everything he has coming including being someone’s byatch inside. F ing coward.
I saw a news item that showed a bolt action pistol, I thought it might well have been a Dark Mountain, Stowaway pistol. The price of these strikes me as more sensible than that of the Welrod types.
@@thetexasgunvault2 I can see your doctorate shining through your commentary. I got my training in music on the job playing guitar and bass. It was playing bass that really taught me music because it forced me to understand the interval relationships and how they impacted the "groove". I did most of my training playing bars in Dallas and Chicago during the 1980's. I had wanted to go to the Wisconsin Conservatory in Milwaukee, but ended up in engineering school instead. Through a good part of my life I went from famine playing music to feast working as an engineer. I have had the ability to play with some notable performers in the genre of blues and rock. However, my favorite person to play music with was a man from Chicago named Lefty Dizz. Definitely some of the most fun I have had playing music. Now I like to shoot KD and Appleseed's.
Hey Jason i just watched the video of him killing the CEO and you are right what you said in the first video i think what happened was when he was racking the gun back he got the bullet jammed with the bullet that was cycling through the pistol and he had to clear the jam in the gun
I agree it wasn't the B&T station 6 or a VP9. He was definitely doing a tap rack clearance and racking the slide. I don't think it was intentional racking to clear good cartridges, I think he had a failure to feed due to riding the slide on his first round. his second round fired third jammed again and he had to clear it a second time after that he is out of frame on the video. I think it was probably a booster issue on a gun he had used but without the suppressor. I think the suppressor wasn't his only fail in planning and execution, pardon the pun. The mask pull down was another fatal error...again pardon the pun. leaving the backpack was another stupid move unless he wanted it found. leaving trash outside of Starbucks was yet another not thought trough move.
It seems to me that the the silencer on the gun in the video has a noticeable edge where it attaches to the barrel and that seems to point to the B&T as the VP9 is a wee bit more flush to the barrel, who knows lol
@thetexasgunvault2 just kidding nice video. It's funny how many weapons you have..but I am not anti gun. As I have learned the first thing the CCP did was disarm the public to keep control. We can't let that happen. I am considering buying my first fire arm..my dad was a vet. I live behind enemy lines in Chicago area.
Let's be honest. It was just the fact that he manually cocked the gun that sent everyone on a wild goose chase for explanations and people who thought they were smart said it was a Station Six since its a suppressed handgun that requires manual cocking after each shot. But if the shooter was choosing to manually cycle rounds out for theatrical reasons or whatever, then that explains everything.
The Register Citizen newspaper out of CT has sources saying it was and wasn't a bt6 now. It seems police went to a CT gunshop to verify that a purchase of a bt6 was not involved. So someone must have thought it at one time. Article has another source that says it wasn't a bt6.
I could not get my beretta m9a4 to cycle without a booster. The suppressor used was a Sico omega 9k like you used on the mp5. I’m sure if the suppressor is light enough it’s possible, but the beretta does not have a fixed barrel.
I think if you look closely you can see a ton of smoke leaving the chamber before he take his support hand and tugs at the slide, if it was a station six the gases and smoke would not come out of the chamber until he pull that bolt and the video show clearly his hand wasn’t even there yet. Station six pistols seal so tight sometimes there is a hissing sound or a pop from breaking the seal when the bolt is pulled and the chamber is open after a shot. What gun did he use, who knows but the station six really doesn’t fit the sequence of gas’s escaping without the bolt being pulled .
i pretty much immediately noticed that it was non fixed barrel semi automatic using a non piston suppressor hence why you could see the gasses and his reaction to manually reloading was unsure
Statement of fact: This music teacher has some pretty cool toys. 😂
Thank you. These are just the tip of the iceberg.
It's arousing AF.
@@thetexasgunvault2 need watch collection video. Just got my first one I'm addicted lol!!
@@vmark78 I like the Tudor he’s wearing most 👍
@@mancius00 Me too. I also like the Rolex Explorer II he was wearing in the last video.
I have learned more about firearm function from a music teacher that I have learned from all my gun enthusiasts friends to date ! Thanks for the education 👏
You are very welcome. Firearms are my passion and I love learning everything I can about them.
You're one of the few people talking about this assassination with a technical viewpoint. Very interesting times we're living through, but im glad i found your channel. Have a great day!
Thank you. I am an analytical person, so I enjoy making videos like this.
Booster. Your channel and Ian from Forgotten Weapons I regularly follow. Ian also made a comment on the assassins weapon. I think Ian believes that it wasn’t a Wellrod.
@@CrownBoron ditto
Actually plenty people are guessing what kind of gun was used, and the funny thing, nobody is right! All speculation.
Well done. Only the second time I've viewed your channel and I find it refreshing to see thorough firearms knowledge combined with facts and reasoning presented in an eloquent and articulate way on a youtube channel - nay - the internet as a whole. And all by a guy who is making the world a better place through his paid gig as a *music teacher* - that's icing on the cake right there. I am probably subscribed to less than five youtube channels and I reckon I'll boost that number by one today. Cheers and thanks.
That means a lot to me! Thank you so much and I am honored that you enjoyed it.
You are 100% correct in your assessment. One thing you did not mention is the fact that a shooter has to twist the slide lock to unlock and pull then push it forward and twist it again to lock it. Then there is the fact that one can see gas blowback (In the Video) around the ejection port area on the first round that was fired which would indicate that the slide is not a twist and lock type (which would defeat the purpose and design of the Station-Six and VP9 Pistol)
There was some speculation going around that a Glock was used that can be quickly be confirmed by looking at the used primer (All Glock owners know I'm talking about) but the NYPD is sitting on it for good reason.
or he just made it in his bedroom 😂
Great talk, I can tell you are a teacher and a good one, too.
I appreciate that!
Outstanding explanation, on both 1 and 2 videos. :)
Thank you so much!
I was a gun collector for a long time, a cop for longer, and did a few years as a gunsmith. From what I saw in the limited video was gas escaping from the ejection port when the shot was fired. It was cold and like seeing your breath, you could see the breath of the pistol
I believe what you were actually seeing is the spent casings farting.
Wow. Can tell you are an educator and you did a great job teaching things I didn’t know. Now a new subscriber :)
I appreciate how you not only state your opinion, but also demonstrate how you come to that opinion. I watched you first video about this then came directly to this one. Had to subscribe. I bet you are an awesome teacher.
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Thank you!
I’ve been watching both of your channels for a while now and I’ve got to say you do a very good job presenting I’m sure your music lessons are very enjoyable because I always enjoy tuning into your videos here 👏
Wow, thank you! That means a lot to me!
Your firearms collection is damn sick!
Thank you. That is just the tip of the iceberg.
@@thetexasgunvault2 Making us here in Europe jealous... 😅
Great videos on this topic. Thanks for explaining everything in such detail.
You are very welcome!
It bothered me the we saw him shoot 3 times yet he left 3 casings and 3 rounds. After watching part one, it became clear to me that he manually racked the slide to leave the live rounds. Thank you for that!
I disagree. in the video you can see by his actions he tried to shoot and the gun doesn't go bang.
I doubt any nypd cop has ever heard of that gun.
Absolutely brilliantly explained videos pt1 and 2 well done for some clarity and logic and perfect articulation. Making good use of that well learned knowledge. 👌
Hopefully NYPD see this it may help them.
Glad you enjoyed it! Your comment means so much to me.
Thanks Jason. Always love seeing some of your collection!
Glad you like them!
Love the video. You are an excellent teacher!
My experience with NYC police officers has shown me that most of them are NOT knowledgeable in a wide variety of firearms, nor do they have a pro-2A mindset.
One former NYC police officer who was working his recently acquired job as an officer in the NW Piedmont of North Carolina, arrested a man after a consent search netted him a “machine gun” that was discovered in the trunk of his vehicle. The “machine gun” was a common, everyday, run-of-the-mill SKS rifle. But to the officer (who had poor firearms knowledge), it was a machine gun. The magistrate refused to issue a warrant. And I could continue with several other similar stories, but perhaps I will save them for another time.
I know why because in NYC all guns are illegal and when you see any gun outside in the public your first reaction is to make an arrest because all guns are illegal. Most cops in NY don’t know anything about guns and half can barely pass they own gun qualification, this is not a joke this is fact so your right.
Excellent Presentation!!!
Glad you liked it!
You're a great teacher, easy to understand. I accidentally learned more in this video, about suppressors, than I ever thought I needed to know lol. There's a lot of "TH-cam experts", but you bring the receipts. Another informative, articulate, video, great job! It's all just speculation and educated guesses at this point. Haters are gonna hate, narcist's are gonna narcist.
Yes they are. Thank you so much!
Nice presentation, clear concise too the point . From your two video assessments of the shooter's actions I believe you are correct about the situation , good work
Much appreciated!
Booster. I appreciate that you have the firearms and knowledge to explain this.
Thank you Craig! I just want people to have the correct information.
The people that are saying that you don't know what you're talking about are people who haven't been around guns. Keep up the great work. 👍
I was planning to research because I didn't know anything about a booster. Even though I have suppressors.
Thanks for teaching me about the booster.
And I love the poster.
You are very welcome! I enjoy educating people.
Good presentation, I am not in a position to buy a suppressor age 74 with very low cash flow. The demonstration of the different models and mounting systems was interesting. I have several very rare firearms due to having known Elmer Keith and hunted with him I now own 2 of his firearms.
Thank you so much. That is so cool that you knew Elmer!
Very educational! Very nice collection especially the watches. Nice tools and watches go hand in hand. Thank you sir! Subscribed
Thank you so much. Most people never notice my timepieces.
@@thetexasgunvault2 My Mom didn't tell me i had a brother that had been adopted and was likely in Texas. Who else would have so much of their net worth in firearms and RowLecks ... your analysis is beyond criticism. Cheers brother
Thank you for an interesting technical explanation
You are very welcome.
Great info presented very fairly. Thanks
Thank you so much!
Music teacher? With this amount of knowledge I'm thinking a retired Tier 1 Operator...😉 Great video!!
Lol, nah. I am just a geek. I love learning everything I can.
Booster . Found your channel by chance and definitely some of the best content I've seen so far regarding this subject . It was in one of the first videos of the shooting ( can't remember where ) that you could see gas plumes coming out of the breech every time he shot . Regards from DownUnder
Thank you so much, and I saw that too.
You are right Jason, there was no chance it was a B&T. You can clearly see gas blowback coming from the chamber after ever shot.
That's what I am thinking too.
Would you see gas blowback if it was during daytime? He was shooting underneath hotel lobby lights in the dark, causing the smoke to be far more visible than if this was in the sunlight.
@mrmanown Zero gas will come from the chamber of a B&T Station 6 upon discharge period. It's all going out the end of the barrel and through the suppressor. Could there be trapped gas inside the supperssor? Absolutely. But you would have only seen very little travel its way back through the barrel upon opening of the chamber. The gas ejection or blowback from the "Assassin's" weapon was clearly indicative of a semi-auto pistol.
Looks like you have an awesome collection!
Thank you so much!
I see your logic about him racking the slide just to eject the rounds with writing without them being fired. But, I don't buy that anyone would plan on doing that, when trying to kill someone quickly on a sidewalk, too much could go wrong just for the sake of leaving some un-fired rounds. I think more likely he wrote on the casings planning on firing them, then decided to just drop them instead, had them in pocket. I think he found out in advance his suppressor was causing the gun not to cycle correctly, for whatever reason, and decided the decrease in volume was worth the trouble of clearing a stovepipe. He may not have had enough time to correct the issue with gun, so just went with it. Just my opinion, good videos you did teach me a lot.
The best video by far of the explanation of the b n t and the v p pistols. Garand Thumb, and Colin Noir did very good reviews as well with pretty much the same conclusion.
Thank you so much!
I've never heard of this booster mechanism.
It's very interesting.
I loved the explanation.
The tilting barrel is even more ingenious.
I really enjoyed this purely from an engineering point of view.
That is what I love about firearms. I love the mechanics and history.
Great presentation and I appreciate the technical analysis. I agree it wasn't a Station Six or VP9. But I do believe he was using a firearm with a suppressor that didn't have a booster, or suffered from some other malfunction. (Perhaps it was a homemade suppressor--like a solvent trap conversion.) I do not believe he intentionally racked the slide to eject live rounds. Instead, the most likely scenario is that he anticipated his gun would not fully eject spent casings after each round and therefore expected to rack the slide after each shot. You can see after his first shot, he racks the slide and then aims and tries to fire again. The gun does not go off, so he racks it again, and then aims a third time and fires the second shot. That is an indicator that a spent casing was still in the chamber after his first effort to clear the handgun was unsuccessful. Additionally, he appears to struggle with clearing and chambering the firearm after the second shot, including doing a palm strike on the back of the slide--suggesting he was having chambering issues. I believe he probably ejected most of the live rounds accidentally after the second shot, while trying to clear the gun.
Those points aside, I think the most likely reason he did not intentionally rack a live round out of the chamber after each shot is because such action threatens to ruin the single objective of his attack--eliminate his victim. He knew he had only a few seconds to get fatal shots on target. Why interrupt that main goal and effort by unnecessarily manipulating his firearm? It required him to take his point of aim off of the target, potentially introduce mechanical problems in his firearm, and give his victim time to escape if his first shot was not debilitating. Indeed, from the spotty reports I've seen, he fired three shots and only hit Thompson twice--one of which was in the leg. The other shot (probably the fatal one) was to the back, which is not a guaranteed fatal hit. So, this guy did not aim for the head, missed one shot entirely, and stopped his attack before his victim was deceased.
Overall, this appears to be the work of a guy familiar with firearms, but not a professional, and who experienced mechanical problems with his weapon in the midst of his attack.
I have seen the video several times and I agree with your interpretation of the events. From my perspective it looks as though his first shot hits the victim in the leg and then he turns and faces the direction of the shooter while leaning against the building. I’ve heard different stories of him being shot either in the chest or back. But, the shooter definitely misses one is his shots. Were you able to distinguish whether or not the fatal shot was when he eventually walks even closer to the victim when I believe he fell onto the sidewalk? Very bizarre sequences so it will be interesting once more info is released.
There is an explanation for why he didn’t practice with the suppressed firearm before the shooting.
He lives in a state where possession of a suppressor is illegal and he had no where to practice with the suppressor on the weapon prior.
It is also likely a 3D printer suppressor. They often break down relatively quickly. So even if he did manage to practiced with it before the event, the internal stare of the suppressor likely changed as rounds were fired through it.
Additionally, suppressors for 9mm need a counter mechanism to compensate for the weight of the suppressor to fully actuate the slide.
Finally, if the words on the casing were engraved like some are reporting, the engraving could have created addition friction in the cycle of the weapon and cause malfunctions. The fact that some shells at the scene were unfired indicates partial feeds.
In practice he almost certainly didn’t use engraved rounds.
Excellent presentation.
Glad you liked it!
Informative, I’ll bet your percussion section is a hoot!!
I am a trombonist. LOL
Great video. Parts 1 and 2.
Thank you so much!
Booster can also be dirty from previous use that’ll cause feeding / malfunction issues.
That is a good point.
Watching from Royse City TX here! (subscribed)
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The booster works on spring recoil. Creating more force backwards to seat the barrel. Likely it was a striker rather than hammer fired looking at how he hits the back with his hand to seat the barrel. Same as a booster would but pushing forward the slider to seat the barrel rather than a booster pushing the barrel back to seat.
That might be the case.
Good video 👍 you have a very nice collection. United denied my vision claims so I didn’t see anything 😂
Thank you!
Another great video.
Glad you enjoyed it and that means a lot to me.
Too many people want to have the quickest opinion instead of taking the time to research all the possibilities, considering the limited information from the grainy video. It's better to take your time and give your opinion of what it might be rather than say definitively it absolutely is something, and then wind up being wrong. That's one of the many reasons I like this channel.
Many are Keyboard Warriors you cant tell exactly what gun it is by looking at the crime scene video... You cant tell the difference Great Point Music Man amongst all your other good points
Great job you’re doing here (and perhaps elsewhere). It’s noticeable that you are a professional educator.
Thank you so much! That means a lot to me.
Great vid. People forget the difference between fact and opinion.
Exactly!
Excellent video.
Thank you very much!
Nice tools,I did not know music teachers made that much money.Good for you.
Good Explaination!
Thank you!
Great video dude. Thanks for sharing
You are very welcome.
Good info TGV, Thanks.
Booster!
Any time!
I am impressed with the firearms you own & your technical knowledge. I thought I knew a lot about firearms or maybe just different aspects from you. Was not that interested in suppressors because the sheriff does not allow them unless you create an LLC of NFA Trust.
Have they released the caliber of round used that should narrow down the pistol.........................
Very informative.
Thank you so much!
Great information as always... Concerning the M9/92FS: When I searched for suppressor info a few years ago most opinions were that this platform was generally more reliable/forgiving vs tilt barrel systems. I never read any suggestion that it would be best to not use a booster. I have a CGS MOD9K with booster that works fine on my M9 Commercial. I also have the fixed barrel spacer for this suppressor... So it seems I have an excuse to do some experimentation. Thanks!
You are very welcome! It will run with a booster, but it is not needed.
It's still short recoil delayed locked breach. So if the suppressor is too heavy without a booster it will cause problems. It's just more forgiving than Browning style lock up.
Don't mess with Texas Music Teachers! Being married to a band director myself, I know you guys are like a mafia in this state.
LOL, it is a cutthroat world.
@@thetexasgunvault2 Okay, now my wife want's to know what instrument (other than firearms) you specialize in. She is woodwind.
Just found your channel, very informed video, keep up the good work.
Thank you so much. I hope you subscribe to my main channel too.
Wow, I have never heard of a suppressor piston termed as a “booster” and I own several. Guess you learn something new every day.
@@BGC903 the piston is housed inside the booster
Yeah, some people never think about it. It is just a mount to many.
I agree about the cycling. I don't know how the "Message" was written on the cartridge, but if it was a sharpie, I know from experience that at certain temperatures, it leaves no residue. I work with glass and I use sharpie and/or carbon paper to trace designs on glass. After firing (otther than a gun for sure) the design is go e.
I also use white "transfer paper" and that one fires in the glass (at least the brand I use).
So there is a chance that we have an additional reason for unfired rounds.
I saw a "veterinary gun" being mentioned as a possibility. I have no idea what that is.
As far as the guy being a pro, it's certainly possible, but also he could be someone with a good head on his shoulders, some forethought, some training, and one he'll of a revenge motive.
I have had military and civilian training (40 years ago) and if I had nothing to lose, let's say I lost someone dear to me to a denied claim, I'd be able to pull something like that off without being a former operator. That said, this guy was a "smooth operator" for sure.
I feel like I need to test the Sharpie myth at the range.
@@thetexasgunvault2 I'd be curious too. Glass melting temps are a lot higher than a round being fired (although, I once had a rounds of a .50 BBMG slip under my collar and it left a mark).
I think he knew it was going to malfunction. He was very calm handling the malfunction.
That's what I think too.
Just found your channel. Fascinating. Subscribed.
Thank you so much. I hope you also sub to my main channel as well.
I didn't claim to recognize the gun, but my immediate reaction to seeing the footage was that the killer put a suppressor on some autopistol but didn't change out the recoil assembly for a lighter weight spring (which some of my guns require when a suppressor is mounted) and hadn't tested it, and the brass just didn't extract, so he cleared a regular old type 1 malfunction. Now, that was when one could have assumed he was a New Yorker who didn't have the opportunity to test the gun and suppressor combination, regardless of the other planning he did.
Anyway, that said, didn't they say they recovered 3 shell casings and also 3 live rounds from the scene? If that's true, that would be more indicative of malfunctions, one way or the other.
Edit: the three live rounds thing was probably just ignorance on the part of some media outlet, not knowing the difference between empty brass and live rounds. Please take that with many grains of salt, if at all.
People are just mean behind the keyboard cause it’s easy to do it. Face to face is very different cause they know better. Consider them childishly cowards to the full extent. Your a music teacher that’s awesome. I’m a musician (primary instrument trombone but also play Tuba and Euphonium) played in the US Army Band for 20 years now retired. I also enjoy my guns and the range. Your pretty lay back and nice to those that I emphasizes earlier to this comment. Good video. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! 🎉🙏🏽👍🏽
Very cool! I am a trombonist too! I got my DMA from the University of North Texas in trombone performance.
I like how you handled the haters on you channel, just let them be ignored them
My question is when a person is hired for a specific hit, why would the assassin choose a weapon where you will have to be involved in a lot of hand movements.? There were lot of hand movements on the e video footage to take down Thompson. The VP9 and correct me if I am wrong, was created for close range shots yet this guy was about 15 feet away from his target. He aimed based on the video 3 times moving close to the target after the Thompson stumbled and fell in the corner. I thought I saw the assassin take a final shot in the shadows. where none were head shots as far as I know. Curious to know if the New York Medical examiner will do an autopsy and will the autopsy results be released
I would assume that some hits might have stipulations like "if want this weapon used" or "I want them to see this before they die".
A Walther P-38 has an action like the beretta you show, and most of the smaller 9mm and 380 Pistols, like a Cz 83 have fixed barrels. Hard to find a suppressor to fit a P38 though.
It would have to be custom for sure.
You raise very interesting questions. Did he intensionally choose a weapon that would not cycle? Was he surprised that the gun did not cycle? He had inscriptions on the shells that he intended to leave behind. Did the gun not cycling reduce the noise? One bullet had not been fired, reportedly. Was this intensional? Overall was his manual cycling smooth like he practiced it before?
Too many unanswered questions.
Excellent detailed explanation of boosters suppressors and firearms. “Booster “
Thank you so much! I am honored that you enjoyed it.
I agree about the intentional racking number of shots vs number of racks seem intentional. If you had a failure on 3 shots you’d only need to rack twice. Just my opinion he wanted to leave the message rounds loaded between rounds.
There is definitely a video out there showing the shooter removing the suppressor. So if you can find that video you'll see which way he's twisting it and you'll know which gun that is.
That is interesting. I had not seen that yet.
I have never shot a B&T Station 6.... maybe you have, and my question is.... has there ever been a time when you saw gas coming out from the ejection port when fired being that it's a "bolt-action" style operation? I ask because in the surveillance footage, you can clearly see gas coming out at the ejection port.
No. The breech is locked.
@@thetexasgunvault2.... that's what I figured....plus, with how quickly he manipulated the action/slide.... therefore, them saying that it was a Station 6 is wrong.
Correct and if you watch the video slowly you can see that the first round ejected correctly and the slide closed but he still pulled the slide before firing the gun, ejecting a live round that was on the chamber
Thank you for clearing up a lot of the misinformation that’s going around out there.
You are very welcome.
Nice one Professor!
Glad you liked it!
Beretta 92 series need a booster if the suppressor is too heavy. Mine won't run with a YHM R9 unless the booster is installed. Number I have heard is 7 ounces or less the 92 will run fine.
That might be the case. I have not had an issue with any suppressor. I might need to do some testing!
@thetexasgunvault2 i went all the way down to a 9 lb recoil spring and it still wouldn't function reliably.
Beware what's in the music teacher's violin case!😄
Lol, it would be a trombone case.
@@thetexasgunvault2😂
he also overlooked dumping the murder weapon and jacket, plus he showed his face to a receptionist (and hostel security camera) and jacket. it seems like he may have been lucky, or just focused on the timing and location.
Yes he may have.
Thanks for the follow up. ''Expert'' is a term that has become a bit nothing due to its media use. Hence I will refer to you Texas Gun Vault as someone whose opinions I value. Cheers.
I agree and thank you very much!
Great videos regarding the assassination. I am curious as to your thoughts regarding one round into the victims calf? Rather a bad shot don't you think due to the closeness and proximity of the killer?
I do not know. I hope that in the interview process or in the manifesto something is said as to why.
@ yes, that was written before the arrest. This doiche bag is a total amateur and deserves everything he has coming including being someone’s byatch inside. F ing coward.
Great video
Thank you so much!
I saw a news item that showed a bolt action pistol, I thought it might well have been a Dark Mountain, Stowaway pistol. The price of these strikes me as more sensible than that of the Welrod types.
Ok, what was the gun used in the assassination? I didn't get that from your analysis.
It looks like it was a 3D printed semi-auto pistol.
Very well done sir! Not sure how I've never come across your videos before, but you definitely earned a subscriber on both channels with this one!
Same here!
Thank you for the further education. Well done and presented. BTW, I can readily see you as a music teacher. I do a bit of that myself.
Thank you so much! It is my life and passion. I have my doctorate in music.
@@thetexasgunvault2 I can see your doctorate shining through your commentary. I got my training in music on the job playing guitar and bass. It was playing bass that really taught me music because it forced me to understand the interval relationships and how they impacted the "groove". I did most of my training playing bars in Dallas and Chicago during the 1980's. I had wanted to go to the Wisconsin Conservatory in Milwaukee, but ended up in engineering school instead. Through a good part of my life I went from famine playing music to feast working as an engineer. I have had the ability to play with some notable performers in the genre of blues and rock. However, my favorite person to play music with was a man from Chicago named Lefty Dizz. Definitely some of the most fun I have had playing music. Now I like to shoot KD and Appleseed's.
Hey Jason i just watched the video of him killing the CEO and you are right what you said in the first video i think what happened was when he was racking the gun back he got the bullet jammed with the bullet that was cycling through the pistol and he had to clear the jam in the gun
Thank you!
I agree it wasn't the B&T station 6 or a VP9. He was definitely doing a tap rack clearance and racking the slide. I don't think it was intentional racking to clear good cartridges, I think he had a failure to feed due to riding the slide on his first round. his second round fired third jammed again and he had to clear it a second time after that he is out of frame on the video. I think it was probably a booster issue on a gun he had used but without the suppressor. I think the suppressor wasn't his only fail in planning and execution, pardon the pun. The mask pull down was another fatal error...again pardon the pun. leaving the backpack was another stupid move unless he wanted it found. leaving trash outside of Starbucks was yet another not thought trough move.
It seems to me that the the silencer on the gun in the video has a noticeable edge where it attaches to the barrel and that seems to point to the B&T as the VP9 is a wee bit more flush to the barrel, who knows lol
I hope we find out the truth soon.
I have to duck every time you point the muzzle at the camera. Haha
Why? Bullets can not traverse space and time to hurt you.
@thetexasgunvault2 just kidding nice video. It's funny how many weapons you have..but I am not anti gun. As I have learned the first thing the CCP did was disarm the public to keep control. We can't let that happen. I am considering buying my first fire arm..my dad was a vet. I live behind enemy lines in Chicago area.
Buddy you are 100% right! You are also right the way he ejected the rounds with the words on them
Thank you! I hope we find out the truth one day.
Let's be honest. It was just the fact that he manually cocked the gun that sent everyone on a wild goose chase for explanations and people who thought they were smart said it was a Station Six since its a suppressed handgun that requires manual cocking after each shot. But if the shooter was choosing to manually cycle rounds out for theatrical reasons or whatever, then that explains everything.
The Register Citizen newspaper out of CT has sources saying it was and wasn't a bt6 now. It seems police went to a CT gunshop to verify that a purchase of a bt6 was not involved. So someone must have thought it at one time. Article has another source that says it wasn't a bt6.
This is good information. Thank you so much. It goes to show that people rush to judgement.
I could not get my beretta m9a4 to cycle without a booster. The suppressor used was a Sico omega 9k like you used on the mp5. I’m sure if the suppressor is light enough it’s possible, but the beretta does not have a fixed barrel.
It is not fixed, but it does not tilt. My Beretta runs fine with the SilencerCo Octane 9, but not my Omega 36.
One reason the shooter may not have been familiar with the gun is that it was provided to him after he arrived in NYC.
pretty familiar as he made it himself if appears.
Well, i hope we find out the truth.
@@thetexasgunvault2 it's been confirmed as a 3d printed gun that was using a Glock mag.
The Buckmark 22 LR also doesn't need a booster. fixed barrel.
Interesting. But like some people are asking, why use a bus for transportation? And at this point in time that haven’t found the bike.
I think if you look closely you can see a ton of smoke leaving the chamber before he take his support hand and tugs at the slide, if it was a station six the gases and smoke would not come out of the chamber until he pull that bolt and the video show clearly his hand wasn’t even there yet. Station six pistols seal so tight sometimes there is a hissing sound or a pop from breaking the seal when the bolt is pulled and the chamber is open after a shot. What gun did he use, who knows but the station six really doesn’t fit the sequence of gas’s escaping without the bolt being pulled .
You are correct.
I agree with you. He is operating the slide forward of the station 6.
The Station-Six does not have a slide though.
@ Exactly.
i pretty much immediately noticed that it was non fixed barrel semi automatic using a non piston suppressor hence why you could see the gasses and his reaction to manually reloading was unsure
That could be the case.