@@kvonkirk2340 These are used for mercy killing animals. The police here in Germany often use old Bundeswehr G3 rifles, which obviously are a lot louder.
@@tommykirk3403 Most of the wild animals they shoot are boar rampaging through towns and destroying everything. A syringe just doesn't cut it in that situation.
Laird Cummings Why is everyone thinking that german and swiss people have no sense of humor? It's the bavarians who have no humor; northern germany, switzerland and austria are totally different...
@@chuckjorris7952 every bavarian I've met was always hilarious and down for a beer morning, noon and night. Your bavarian must have been defective idk.
+hollst Incidentally that's also what happened with the tank in WW1: they were mistaken for innocuous fuel tankers and fooled many a Prussian sentry before the cat got out of the bag. "Is that a war maschine, Fritz?" "Nein Otto, that is a fuel tanker, you dummkopf!"
The only thing about "tanks" that was a disguise was the name (which ironically was used by the Germans during the war as well). The form was very much made to function, not to be mistaken for something else.
I'm imagining the police searching a mafioso's belongings and finding this thing. "What? I'm a veterinarian. That's what the bone saw and chloroform are for."
The rubber wipes add to the length of the baffel stack. If you remove one or more the stack would be loose and you'd run the risk of a baffle strike. Watch the video again and you'll see it.
@@franklind.roosevelt7416 well of course! You wouldn't want to miss that poor horses head and accidentally hit a millionaire with enemies in high places by accident, would you?
I have been fortunate enough to shoot a VP9. So, this time, I'm slightly ahead of Ian, I guess! ;-) The pistol I shot is in private hands, here in Switzerland. No idea how many shots had been fired with it, so what the baffles condition was. But I remember it as fairly quiet (we used subsonic ammo), and quite comfortable to shoot.
It may be called a "Veterinary Pistol" as although pistols are generally illegal in the uk they can be owned by vets or other animal care workers for "humane dispatch" of injured animals.
This can be summed up by the saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". It just gives it the updates that were needed without changing anything that didn't need it.
Theophrastus Bombastus Van Hohenheim This weapon has the Railroad written all over it. Firearms are meant to be loud, intimidating, and cause major destruction.
There would have been ample opportunities to test-fire it during the Cheltenham Festival, fewer opportunities in the current summer flat-racing season.
@@matthewspencer5086 Yeah I think a lot of the people commenting "why would you need this" don't know just how ugly the horse racing/training scene is (especially steeplechasing). I'm betting they go through more ammo than most people would like to know..
@@graysaltine6035 I used to have a lot of Arab customers, and they couldn't understand why we did steeplechasing and criticised camel-racing! The ethical problem with camel racing was solved with robot jockeys, because the camels were not at risk in the same way as the young lads riding them. A point the Anti-slavery Society was making quite forcefully at the time. Once the Arabs understood what the point actually was, and this took a while, they threw some money at the problem and robot jockeys were the result. As far as horse welfare is concerned, it's us that needs to change.
I believe VP9 is really a varminter. It allows one to shoot a large varmint at close range, without disturbing the neighbors or authorities. One potential target, sometimes weighing over 200 lbs. or 100 kg. ,dressed, has been declared inedible by the UN. The welrod dates from a time when the world was infested with large numbers of disruptive and dangerous varmints, requiring extraordinary measures to bring them under control.. I hope such a general "open season" is never required again. THanks for all the great work. best wishes.
The only problem I can see with that is that the original rubber peaces are rare and get destroyed when fired, but using modern equivalents would invalidate the test.
Using modern replicas of the rubber buffers might actually bring more validity to the test, as actual period rubber (no pun intended) might have lost a lot of its elasticity by now and would not provide as good of a seal after the first round as it would have in the 1940s, while modern rubber disks made from the same material would bring it back to its original effectiveness.
Like Walther said, real rubber from the 40's would probably be too brittle to make a fair comparison, also the 1943 U.K. recipe for rubber is still classified, and we might not even be able to produce it anymore, like the early forms of bakelite, with the steel, copper, etc. used to make the original manufacturing lines affecting the final product in a way that can't be replicated.
What I'm trying to say is that there's no way to make this test scientifically accurate, but it would be cool to see anyway. I'd also like to see a decibel comparison with a modern metal baffel suppressor, and a comparison of calibers like .380ACP, .22LR, and .22 short.
Finally! Thank you for covering the Welrod :D (and the VP9 lol) The SAS still had the welrod in the Iraq war as it was the best option for 'silent' kills. I get the feeling they'll have upgraded to the VP9 by now.
He is not an equine vet, although i'm confidant he could make the change. I doubt the owners of the dogs and cats he treats would appreciate being told they were shot instead of given the green dream.
@@maxnaz47 uh maybe if he had his own vet and did house calls since he works at a&m I recall. So Getting call by people or a other animal group about badly hoarded animals who need to be euthanized on scene or gravely injured wild or hostile wild animals in various situations ie building or fenced homes etc. A silcened pistol like this would be ideal. Would be interested a vet who house calls to save animals but on side of van is advertising his other business of pest and vermin control.
I had to dispatch a muntjac deer with the mushroom on an expandable baton after one of those wonderful vets wouldn't come out as he had just sat down for his dinner it had been hit by a car and was screaming poor thing
When he says “veterinary tools” I just see Javier Bardem’s creepy slanted smile widen as his head turns slightly sideways and his eyes widen in No Country for Old Men...
The thing I noticed with VP9 is that it looks much more like a pistol when disassembled in this video. A feature of the welrod in his video, was that if anybody found you with it, you could use a cover story for why you were carrying a cylinder-shaped object. According to the presentation in this video, you do not have that option with the VP9, as it looks more streamlined like a recognizable service pistol. Therefore, the only redeeming features would be the smaller size and the fact that it would still be close to silent. But if anybody found the pistol, it would be easy to recognize the purpose of carrying one, giving your intentions away. Then again, I guess the whole cover story feature was weak to begin with, as it is at best, suspicious to be caught with any kind of cylinder-shaped, unidentifiable metal object, during a war, in high-security situations or near high-profile individuals.
The Wellrod pistol is way cool, but the VP9 with the modern changes just makes it awesome. They are both crazy quiet, but the VP9's suppressor (and gun as a whole) is far superior. I'd love to take either one out to the range.
This explains something. My Dad was in the British forces in Cyprus from 1955 to 1959. He would never talk about what he did but once told me that his best friend there was Mr Welrod.
I think it certainly has an application as a humane way of killing animals, but there was certainly some ulterior motive. I can't imagine even needing a magazine to put down animals, a single-shot would do it just fine. And as you said, the Picatinny rail is of dubious use to a vet for its stated purpose. Maybe B&T just really like the Welrod and wanted an excuse to make one. Maybe they are seling them to sneaky-beaky types. Who knows?
personally I can see this used by law enforcement for when they have to out down I hired animals (deer, moose, elk, etc) with minor changes it would provide an adequate weapon to safely put down those I hired animals, without scaring the public with a full blown gunshot
... You know, that's actually a REALLY good point. I live in the city. And if someone had to put down a deer (they don't wander into town too often, but it does happen), they'd have panicked 911 calls all night because, well, the shooting range is like 10 miles away and you never hear the guns over there going off.
Bobby Bobenation When I was a cop, we had a case where a deer had been hit by a car and badly injured, but it managed to drag itself across the lawn and up to the side of a house by a deck. The officer was able to use a suppressed MP-5SD to put the deer down without waking the owners of the property or drawing attention from the neighbors. I have been fortunate in getting to operate a very wide range of firearms have competed in college in the NCAA, and later as a USAR Infantry Captain and a career police Lieutenant. To this day though, the H&K MP-5 is tied with the AK-47 for my favorite weapons. I really like this VP-9 though! It appears to be a very well made pistol. Thanks for all of your videos, Ian. They are all extremely well made and I always end up learning something new from each one.
That would make it a tool not a weapon. But you really really dont need a specialized device like this. If you are in a state that allows suppressors then you just use a suppressed gun. It's that simple. As someone else mentions... the MP5SD5 will do that job. Or an MP5 with a suppressor. They are great guns. I'd have a hard time deciding between an AR or MP5 in the trunk.
Love the serialnumbers on the B&T state where it was initially sold to. " UK 14....." mean United Kingdom 2014.... and the actual serialnumber. I guess it is also somewhat a warranty-hint if the gun comes back damaged or something. That is how my SPR300 is anyway. ☺
That feel when you don't know what veterinarians may be up to after you leave, so you just review the gun with gloves on to not leave your prints on it.
"...and it absolutely has some improvements over the original Welrod." Not sure you can really call it "improved", since IIRC from your video on it, the Welrod was intended to be cheap to produce, as the goal was to be able to drop them behind enemy lines to (hopefully) be recovered by resistance fighters. If they had added the creature comforts of the B&T VP9 it would have added to the cost.
Wouldn’t a .45 ACP version make more sense? I’m generally for 9mm in most pistols, but in one thats only fired suppressed, you’d think a faster than sound cartridge would be a handicap.
The barrel is perforated so it doesn't generate the pressure necessary to accelerate the bullet to supersonic speeds. I've read that you can shoot any kind of supersonic 9mm ammo and the bullet will be traveling subsonic. Only hollow point ammo will give you problems.
Ian didn't mention one difference between the VP9 and the Welrod. The Welrod uses solid rubber wipes while the VP9 has pre-cut crosses to help the round pass through the wipe causing it less damage than it would if it tore its way through. This should give longer life to the wipes and improve the silencing of further shots if it possibly reduces the silencing efficiency of the first shot. I wonder if B&T ever sold any of these weapons to covert action units around the world.
fab006 Well, this is just a guess,, but if they can legitimately have this classified as a veterinarian tool, then the oppressive regulations go out the window. Depending on the task, tools don't make a carpenter, ,, skill does...
FortuneZero ( insert big smile here ) We are not at that end yet,,, but we can see it from here... But then,, most people either can not see, or they are unwilling to look. And if they do see something, they are so brainwashed that they only see roses. .. 2+2=5 thanks for the reply...
Here's what I don't get - the way they did the pistol grip and the trigger on the original Welrod without a trigger guard was to obfuscate it to not exactly look as a weapon. In this case with the weird but still trigger-lookin trigger and the half pistol grip on the gun, I don't think you can fool anyone that it's something else than a gun. So why did they stick to a tiny magazine well and the rest of the grip on the magazine rather than having a full pistol grip and more traditional magazines? It seems the only reason is: That's what the Welrod had, and that seems kind of weird.
“I’d like to thank Agent 47 for sending me this pistol to do the video with. And if you guys want to check him out, check out his channel on Twitch. I put the link below.”
I feel like having the magazine act as the pistol grip is just a recipe for misfeeds and fragility. Then again, if the idea has lasted this long, it must not be so.
It's includes surppressors so it's definitely banned in MA. That could change soon though as I hear there are a couple bills that could repeal the suppressor ban.
I *believe* this gun is intended to be used by animal control and/or police officers in the field, rather than vets in a clinic. Certain situations may require a police officer to put down a fatally wounded animal in order to end its suffering. What the VP9 does is present a quick and humane way to kill an animal, without producing a loud noise that may scare nearby animals and/or people. It's a very niche market, but one with basically no competition. I'm not sure where I heard that from, so take it with a grain of salt (or two), and double check for yourself before assuming it's 100% fact. If anyone finds anything that supports/refutes this, go ahead and reply here
Similar to other noise-producing equipment such as lawn-mowers and chain-saws, this includes a muffler. Novel concept, and I must say, I think it could catch on!
Excellent informative video, as always. Thanks. Hope you enjoyed the RA in Leeds. All manner of weaponry. My home city. Went to the RA opening there in 1996.
I really like your site and its explanations, but it is very frustrating not to see these weapons in action. For example, I think I would never have a Welrod in my hands, but a little video demonstrating at least one shot, with if possible a "slo mo" and noise measurement, as well as the accuracy at different distances would be VERY interesting. Thanks anyway.
Although this is marketed as a veterinary pistol. Is this also supposed to be a kind of tribute to the Welrod or did they just consider it to be the best possible design for this application and copy it? Perhaps one of the designers has a fascination of Welrod pistols but could never find or afford to buy a real one, so convinced his boss that they needed to make a new line of 'veterinary pistols' so that he could design, build and own his dream gun.
Doc Gonzo True, but not when it comes to handguns that arent blackpowder or have a huge 'stabilising' rod, like a stock. This is why criminals used to use sawn off shottys before the black market in firearms exploded with the internet.
Halcyon Days yes UK is quite good on silencers my firearms officer insisted on I had one on my licence. however Pistols are quite hard we have to have a longer barrel what does not include the silencer and we have to have a longer stock what some people call a coat hanger. basically the pistol is a small rifle classification. and for semi Autos it is 2 2 only. however we can have semi-auto shotguns because they can under a different licence.
In the course of my duties I used the welrod for its intended purpose, you take the magazine off & add a short air hose to the mussel, now you have what looks like a bike pump. We did have the rail which we clipped a very small scope & a modified m-16 bipod & waited. Worked just as it was intended.
You guys should hear just how quite it really is, the pull of the trigger and firing pin is the loudest part of the whole process (sometimes the round hitting the target depending on what kind of surface your shooting) the quietest gun on earth. Maybe the spp silent but thats a customized round not 9x19.
The problem hasn't changed so the answer is going to be the same. Brugger and Thomet are Swiss by the way, if you're trying to be a smart arse it's generally better if you get it right.
Why would one want to develop a modern version of the Welrod? When at least in my mind it has been made entirely obsolete by the "silent cartridge" (cartridges operated by an internal piston inside the cartridge casing) firing handguns, such as the Russian PSS pistol and OTs-38 revolver.
jeemiaas For starters the rotating bolt action is a hell of a lot more quieter than semi and full auto mechanisms; less mechanical noise when chambering a new round. As well as the fact that the new system seems to have better baffles and wipes, possibly making it even quieter. The fact it's been upsized to 9x19 makes have a bit more stopping power, not to mention improved handling. Keep in mind this was typically used for assassinations, so improving this niche firearm does have importance.
perreterecon I'm in the military, you'd be surprised at the equipment we still use. As of right now, the welrod is still in service in some large standing armies. Mostly used for clandestine operations. Now it's probably used extremely rarely because of its specific use. Put this in perspective, we still use the browning hi power as our main sidearm and it'll be close on 100 years old soon. If something is not broken, don't fix it.
"Hello Comrade, My name Boris Assassinskyewitsch and I am veteria...veteritan....veterinski yes. Back in Homeland I have horses who owe mone...who break leg and I am interested in gun to make them rest ..yes! Where can buy gun?" So this gun is for Veterinarians so so....just like a Howitzer is a Mining Tool right? :)
honestly, it kinda makes sense. In Germany Hunters & Forest Wardens amongst the only people who are allowed to use a silencer / suppressor on their gun - in particular "city"-hunters who have to put down boars / deers / stags that were involved in traffic accidents on city streets (some parts of Berlin have a denser concentration of wild animals - particularly boars - than a lot of rural regions...). You can't exactly walk up to a panicked wild boar with a shattered hip and calmly place an IV syringe. And the neighbours WILL complain / call the police if you fire of an unsuppressed gun at night, when these accidents usually happen. And this gun being single shot, bolt action,
Never piss off a Vet (Animal or Combat) because they are both capable of _dispatching_ you in a quiet and efficient manner. That or you might wake up in a field missing your man parts.
I am guessing this is intended to be used by both those who need to kill farm animals without disturbing the neighboring animals as others have suggested (allthough in my experience cows get more unnerved by the sudden collapse than the slight thud of modern cow killing tools, and pigs arent even phased when their buddy is electrocuted beside them). Also, I imagine it can be very handy for those times a veterinarian is called out to put an injured moose out of its misery after a acidental vehicle run in. Out in the dark at night and away from the road a mounted light on the gun would also help. Not to mention that it would be very welcome to be able to do the deed without needing hearing protection. Above being said, I find it a bit ironic that while the Coen brothers created a ruthless killing force of a man, they had him use a compressed airgun to kill humans... then the veterinarian market looked at what is SO obviously designed first and foremost as an assassination tool and decided they could make it better and use it for animals...
In my experience one should beware while using those tactical laser guided horse tranquilizers. They may tend to cause you to want to chase cop cars while naked.
It is said (I haven´t tried it) that it is significantly less effective reducing the sound about to 129dB shot with FMJ ammovs.73dB to the Welrod. Interesting comparison!!!
I'm never turning my back on a veterinarian ever again.
I don't think there is one damn vet in the U.S. that owns one of these... maybe a vet that moonlights as a hitman lol
Demolition Ranch: muahahahaha hahahaha
@@kvonkirk2340 These are used for mercy killing animals. The police here in Germany often use old Bundeswehr G3 rifles, which obviously are a lot louder.
@@tommykirk3403 Most of the wild animals they shoot are boar rampaging through towns and destroying everything. A syringe just doesn't cut it in that situation.
@@kvonkirk2340 demo Matt.
the real question is : can B&T reps keep a straight face when they say it's a veterinary pistol?
Laird Cummings
Why is everyone thinking that german and swiss people have no sense of humor?
It's the bavarians who have no humor; northern germany, switzerland and austria are totally different...
I'm Swiss, and you're right.
@@chuckjorris7952 You definitely know nothing about Bavaria.
Not that I am surprised about that kind of ignorance :)
@@chuckjorris7952 every bavarian I've met was always hilarious and down for a beer morning, noon and night. Your bavarian must have been defective idk.
@@cortex383 That's the joke!
(Actually, I have no idea, but this thread was just begging for that punchline!)
The main difference being that it looks like a gun, whereas the Welrod looks like a 1940s bicycle pump, which was kind of the point.
Hans get zhe bicycle pump
+hollst
Incidentally that's also what happened with the tank in WW1: they were mistaken for innocuous fuel tankers and fooled many a Prussian sentry before the cat got out of the bag.
"Is that a war maschine, Fritz?"
"Nein Otto, that is a fuel tanker, you dummkopf!"
The only thing about "tanks" that was a disguise was the name (which ironically was used by the Germans during the war as well). The form was very much made to function, not to be mistaken for something else.
+Mirdarion
Correct. They were mistaken, not disguised.
I'm sorry but I can't help but laugh at all the villain stories above. thank you for making my day.
The suitcase is very relevant. Who else buys this gun apart from hitmen.
At least were i am living, no veterenarian would put a horse down with a firearm anymore... there are far better methods nowadays
Veterinarians for the Mod Squad.
Hillary supporters?
Heinrich Lohse What, cutting insults?
50 cc potassium to the heart?
I'm imagining the police searching a mafioso's belongings and finding this thing. "What? I'm a veterinarian. That's what the bone saw and chloroform are for."
John Harvey I read that in Joe Pescis voice
Solidus 11 same
Now try it in Steve Buscemi's voice.
John - IS IT SAFE ?...……….is it Safe ?
"Go home and getcha f*ckin' horse box."
when it get so shady even gun Jesus won't leave his fingerprint on the gun xD
The other suppressor is not a spare but a training suppressor with only aluminium baffles according to B&T.
So you dont unnecessarily go through the rubber wipes you have while practicing aim, i'd imagine
i think you can just remove the rubber wipes on the original, as it already comes with tools to open it anyways
The rubber wipes add to the length of the baffel stack. If you remove one or more the stack would be loose and you'd run the risk of a baffle strike. Watch the video again and you'll see it.
Ah yes, veterinarian training. Everyone knows the most important part of being a vet is marksmanship.
@@franklind.roosevelt7416 well of course! You wouldn't want to miss that poor horses head and accidentally hit a millionaire with enemies in high places by accident, would you?
I have been fortunate enough to shoot a VP9. So, this time, I'm slightly ahead of Ian, I guess! ;-)
The pistol I shot is in private hands, here in Switzerland. No idea how many shots had been fired with it, so what the baffles condition was. But I remember it as fairly quiet (we used subsonic ammo), and quite comfortable to shoot.
I take it that these improvements of the VP9 mean people can't use the excuse of "a bicycle pump" to conceal its true nature as with the Welrod?
It may be called a "Veterinary Pistol" as although pistols are generally illegal in the uk they can be owned by vets or other animal care workers for "humane dispatch" of injured animals.
That raises the question of whether MI6 occasionally asks veterinarians to assassinate people - in exchange for sugarlumps.
Bye mum I'm off to medical school
humane dispatch of pesky humans
ohw, okay! as a not British nor English native language speaker, I was asking myself "what the heck? veterinary? what mean this joke?" 😅
This can be summed up by the saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". It just gives it the updates that were needed without changing anything that didn't need it.
USSEnterpriseA1701 yup, more ergonomic, slightly better assembly. Didn't try to overdo it by giving it sights or whatever tacticool nonsense
Theophrastus Bombastus Van Hohenheim This weapon has the Railroad written all over it. Firearms are meant to be loud, intimidating, and cause major destruction.
But they broke it, no longer looks like a 1940s bicycle pump... which worked for the Welrod. Just saying 🤷♂️ lol
"Not having fired it...yet." So he's gonna fire it basically.
It's in the scripture: "Thou shalt not c**k tease!"
There would have been ample opportunities to test-fire it during the Cheltenham Festival, fewer opportunities in the current summer flat-racing season.
He fired twice during the closeups, nobody noticed
@@matthewspencer5086 Yeah I think a lot of the people commenting "why would you need this" don't know just how ugly the horse racing/training scene is (especially steeplechasing). I'm betting they go through more ammo than most people would like to know..
@@graysaltine6035 I used to have a lot of Arab customers, and they couldn't understand why we did steeplechasing and criticised camel-racing! The ethical problem with camel racing was solved with robot jockeys, because the camels were not at risk in the same way as the young lads riding them. A point the Anti-slavery Society was making quite forcefully at the time. Once the Arabs understood what the point actually was, and this took a while, they threw some money at the problem and robot jockeys were the result. As far as horse welfare is concerned, it's us that needs to change.
That little picatinny rail will be perfect for my rail-mount tactical airhorn.
bami2
Why do you have a rail-mount airhorn?
@@ohsangwoo9951 to conceal the report from firing, obviously
Veterinary tools, riiiiiiiiiiight.
I use an Obrez with a water bottle taped onto the barrel stub.
#cleverpaperworkusage
If you think about it people are kinda like animals
Yes! Veterinary tools!
Don't get smart!
6:30 - 6:52, pure gold
I believe VP9 is really a varminter. It allows one to shoot a large varmint at close range, without disturbing the neighbors or authorities. One potential target, sometimes weighing over 200 lbs. or 100 kg. ,dressed, has been declared inedible by the UN. The welrod dates from a time when the world was infested with large numbers of disruptive and dangerous varmints, requiring extraordinary measures to bring them under control.. I hope such a general "open season" is never required again.
THanks for all the great work. best wishes.
that was fucking hillaryous ,,,cant spell but any way
I like fronts, those cheeky little swiss.
You mean Nazis, right?
@@KuK137 ah fuck off, they don't even come close to the same political goals.
Lachskönig IV I mean, they do come close.... It’s just fantastical to argue otherwise. That said they definitely aren’t synonymous.
When Agent 47 ends his carreer and starts a New one, as a veterinary
Well I am sure he had that disguise at one point. Shame he didn't know about this veterinary instrument.
@@ahmetrefikeryilmaz4432 Well, this is basically the super silent pistol from the newer games, sooo.....
You need to do some shooting with this next to a Welrod to compare the two with decibel meters. Basically how does old compare to new.
The only problem I can see with that is that the original rubber peaces are rare and get destroyed when fired, but using modern equivalents would invalidate the test.
Using modern replicas of the rubber buffers might actually bring more validity to the test, as actual period rubber (no pun intended) might have lost a lot of its elasticity by now and would not provide as good of a seal after the first round as it would have in the 1940s, while modern rubber disks made from the same material would bring it back to its original effectiveness.
its just rubber, theres no reason it would invalidate the test
Like Walther said, real rubber from the 40's would probably be too brittle to make a fair comparison, also the 1943 U.K. recipe for rubber is still classified, and we might not even be able to produce it anymore, like the early forms of bakelite, with the steel, copper, etc. used to make the original manufacturing lines affecting the final product in a way that can't be replicated.
What I'm trying to say is that there's no way to make this test scientifically accurate, but it would be cool to see anyway.
I'd also like to see a decibel comparison with a modern metal baffel suppressor, and a comparison of calibers like .380ACP, .22LR, and .22 short.
Is this so you can put down the horse with a broken leg without disturbing its the other horses in the barn?
Daniel Zellmer and the stable boy who's been shagging the wife
I wonder how often the VP9 is used by people who are not veterinarians.. Maybe I just read too many le Carré novels
I miss read your comment and thought "used ON veterinarians" well it made sense as it's a veterinarian pistol and what would you use it on?
I can imagine some pissed off neutered/spayed dog using it on the veterinarian that performed the operation. :)
I just created a Far Side cartoon in my head. Thanks!
Lenny Jay no such thing as "too much le Carrè", fella.
Considering H&K make a striker fired 9mm pistol called the VP9 that theyve sold thousands of id say a lot of people. Hell i own one.
Sitting at a shit job, thank you for making today bearable Ian
Well next time you're complaining whilst in line at the DMV, don't be surprised if they pull out a suitcase and usher you into a side room ;-)
Finally! Thank you for covering the Welrod :D (and the VP9 lol)
The SAS still had the welrod in the Iraq war as it was the best option for 'silent' kills. I get the feeling they'll have upgraded to the VP9 by now.
Demo Ranch needs one since he is a Vet...
Wow.
The one gun he actually SHOULD own, with more reason than "why not."
He is not an equine vet, although i'm confidant he could make the change. I doubt the owners of the dogs and cats he treats would appreciate being told they were shot instead of given the green dream.
@@maxnaz47 uh maybe if he had his own vet and did house calls since he works at a&m I recall. So Getting call by people or a other animal group about badly hoarded animals who need to be euthanized on scene or gravely injured wild or hostile wild animals in various situations ie building or fenced homes etc. A silcened pistol like this would be ideal.
Would be interested a vet who house calls to save animals but on side of van is advertising his other business of pest and vermin control.
I would love to see him open carry it around the office
If my cat was extremely sick I feel like this would give a more instantaneous death than a barbiturate.
Welrod gives _me_ a... Well rod ifyaknowwatimsayin
Aww i was about to write that :(
Michael best we leave Mum out of it this time!
Mike Shlonger EARAEARA NOOOOOOOOWMSAYNNNNNN
Patrick Flanagan your picture is most appropriate for the comment, that greatly amuses me.
I had to dispatch a muntjac deer with the mushroom on an expandable baton after one of those wonderful vets wouldn't come out as he had just sat down for his dinner it had been hit by a car and was screaming poor thing
When he says “veterinary tools” I just see Javier Bardem’s creepy slanted smile widen as his head turns slightly sideways and his eyes widen in No Country for Old Men...
"Lazer guided syringe alignment indicator"
The thing I noticed with VP9 is that it looks much more like a pistol when disassembled in this video. A feature of the welrod in his video, was that if anybody found you with it, you could use a cover story for why you were carrying a cylinder-shaped object. According to the presentation in this video, you do not have that option with the VP9, as it looks more streamlined like a recognizable service pistol. Therefore, the only redeeming features would be the smaller size and the fact that it would still be close to silent. But if anybody found the pistol, it would be easy to recognize the purpose of carrying one, giving your intentions away. Then again, I guess the whole cover story feature was weak to begin with, as it is at best, suspicious to be caught with any kind of cylinder-shaped, unidentifiable metal object, during a war, in high-security situations or near high-profile individuals.
"tactical pill applicator"
"VERTINARY" accesories :D ... lol .. i can hear the irony loud and clear.. guess that's the one thing the VP9 wasn't able to suppress :D
One of your videos randomly popped up in my recommended, started to binge watch and it's crazy to see you visited my home town
Yes, for...
Veterinarians. Sure. Let's go with that.
Good plan.
Whoever is buying them are paid by contact to put down animals.
Just so happens said animals are of the bipedal kind.
The Wellrod pistol is way cool, but the VP9 with the modern changes just makes it awesome. They are both crazy quiet, but the VP9's suppressor (and gun as a whole) is far superior. I'd love to take either one out to the range.
This explains something. My Dad was in the British forces in Cyprus from 1955 to 1959. He would never talk about what he did but once told me that his best friend there was Mr Welrod.
a facinating video i like the gloves specially makes it seem like both the guns are from a museum and need to handled carefully.
Looks like something Leon the Professional would have in his arsenal. With the cool little case there..
One suppressor is for practice shooting the other for operations. The replacement baffles are for the operational one.
I think it certainly has an application as a humane way of killing animals, but there was certainly some ulterior motive. I can't imagine even needing a magazine to put down animals, a single-shot would do it just fine. And as you said, the Picatinny rail is of dubious use to a vet for its stated purpose.
Maybe B&T just really like the Welrod and wanted an excuse to make one. Maybe they are seling them to sneaky-beaky types. Who knows?
"A gun for veterinarian needs"... *DEMOLITION RANCH HAS JOINED THE CHAT*
2 nice side arms and 1 great history channel
So, veterinarians use firearms and an assassin from No Country For Old Men uses a captive bolt pistol. This world is weird.
I did not know of this pistol at all. I've been a fan of the original Velrod for a long time, and then I see this. I want one so badly.
looks similar to the point that i'd be curious to see how many of the part are interchangeable and if it's possible to make a franken-welrod
Yes! A series of Swiss weapons please!
i must say, your channel is evolving into a timeless chest of treasure.
with a collection of knowledge and videos, that will stand the test of ages.
Well done Welrod you stand up well 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
personally I can see this used by law enforcement for when they have to out down I hired animals (deer, moose, elk, etc) with minor changes it would provide an adequate weapon to safely put down those I hired animals, without scaring the public with a full blown gunshot
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You know, that's actually a REALLY good point.
I live in the city. And if someone had to put down a deer (they don't wander into town too often, but it does happen), they'd have panicked 911 calls all night because, well, the shooting range is like 10 miles away and you never hear the guns over there going off.
Mike Shlonger going into the woods with this is going to get you arrested for poaching..... since that's what you'd probably be doing.
Bobby Bobenation When I was a cop, we had a case where a deer had been hit by a car and badly injured, but it managed to drag itself across the lawn and up to the side of a house by a deck. The officer was able to use a suppressed MP-5SD to put the deer down without waking the owners of the property or drawing attention from the neighbors.
I have been fortunate in getting to operate a very wide range of firearms have competed in college in the NCAA, and later as a USAR Infantry Captain and a career police Lieutenant. To this day though, the H&K MP-5 is tied with the AK-47 for my favorite weapons. I really like this VP-9 though! It appears to be a very well made pistol.
Thanks for all of your videos, Ian. They are all extremely well made and I always end up learning something new from each one.
That would make it a tool not a weapon. But you really really dont need a specialized device like this. If you are in a state that allows suppressors then you just use a suppressed gun. It's that simple. As someone else mentions... the MP5SD5 will do that job. Or an MP5 with a suppressor. They are great guns. I'd have a hard time deciding between an AR or MP5 in the trunk.
Love the serialnumbers on the B&T state where it was initially sold to. " UK 14....." mean United Kingdom 2014.... and the actual serialnumber. I guess it is also somewhat a warranty-hint if the gun comes back damaged or something. That is how my SPR300 is anyway. ☺
That feel when you don't know what veterinarians may be up to after you leave, so you just review the gun with gloves on to not leave your prints on it.
I know so many veterinarians who would love to have that!
"...and it absolutely has some improvements over the original Welrod."
Not sure you can really call it "improved", since IIRC from your video on it, the Welrod was intended to be cheap to produce, as the goal was to be able to drop them behind enemy lines to (hopefully) be recovered by resistance fighters. If they had added the creature comforts of the B&T VP9 it would have added to the cost.
Trogdor yeah, but there ain't exactly a war on, mate
I can already imagine Ians satisfied look, when he deflorates some of those rubber baffles. ;)
What the fuck is wrong with you talking about gun jesus like that
Now, how to become a Veterinary asap...and get my free VP9...
The spare suppressor is actually a training suppressor that only contains your traditional k baffles and no rubber wipes.
Wouldn’t a .45 ACP version make more sense? I’m generally for 9mm in most pistols, but in one thats only fired suppressed, you’d think a faster than sound cartridge would be a handicap.
The barrel is perforated so it doesn't generate the pressure necessary to accelerate the bullet to supersonic speeds. I've read that you can shoot any kind of supersonic 9mm ammo and the bullet will be traveling subsonic. Only hollow point ammo will give you problems.
Yeahyeah, veterinatians who are wearing 3 piece suits and driving Aston Martins that is
Incredible description of vet procedures in this video.
Ian didn't mention one difference between the VP9 and the Welrod. The Welrod uses solid rubber wipes while the VP9 has pre-cut crosses to help the round pass through the wipe causing it less damage than it would if it tore its way through. This should give longer life to the wipes and improve the silencing of further shots if it possibly reduces the silencing efficiency of the first shot. I wonder if B&T ever sold any of these weapons to covert action units around the world.
Hm, did you ever actually explain the "Veterinary" comments outside the video description?
fab006
Well, this is just a guess,, but if they can legitimately have this classified as a veterinarian tool, then the oppressive regulations go out the window.
Depending on the task, tools don't make a carpenter, ,, skill does...
FortuneZero
( insert big smile here )
We are not at that end yet,,, but we can see it from here... But then,, most people either can not see, or they are unwilling to look. And if they do see something, they are so brainwashed that they only see roses. ..
2+2=5
thanks for the reply...
Willy Bee *Cryptic Metaphor Intensifies*
Willy Bee
You're an idiot.
FortuneZero ohh, you do, never mind, carry on.
Here's what I don't get - the way they did the pistol grip and the trigger on the original Welrod without a trigger guard was to obfuscate it to not exactly look as a weapon. In this case with the weird but still trigger-lookin trigger and the half pistol grip on the gun, I don't think you can fool anyone that it's something else than a gun. So why did they stick to a tiny magazine well and the rest of the grip on the magazine rather than having a full pistol grip and more traditional magazines? It seems the only reason is: That's what the Welrod had, and that seems kind of weird.
This vid taught me Brugger and Thomet is a thing, and I also learned Ruger and Thomet doesn't exist.
“I’d like to thank Agent 47 for sending me this pistol to do the video with. And if you guys want to check him out, check out his channel on Twitch. I put the link below.”
I feel like having the magazine act as the pistol grip is just a recipe for misfeeds and fragility. Then again, if the idea has lasted this long, it must not be so.
Sniper Elites would be proud
Big Boss is also proud, knowing he can go lethal while staying silent
five bucks says it's already banned in Ma and CA
It's includes surppressors so it's definitely banned in MA. That could change soon though as I hear there are a couple bills that could repeal the suppressor ban.
Little late but dont forget NY
Truly living up to the saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
5 PETA members stumbled onto this video.
they're jealous
I *believe* this gun is intended to be used by animal control and/or police officers in the field, rather than vets in a clinic. Certain situations may require a police officer to put down a fatally wounded animal in order to end its suffering. What the VP9 does is present a quick and humane way to kill an animal, without producing a loud noise that may scare nearby animals and/or people. It's a very niche market, but one with basically no competition.
I'm not sure where I heard that from, so take it with a grain of salt (or two), and double check for yourself before assuming it's 100% fact. If anyone finds anything that supports/refutes this, go ahead and reply here
Veterinary pistol, my foot. It has hitman/assassin written all over it.
No shit sherlock
i think the original welrod is mutch cooler espacely for the looks and i like that its longer gives it this silent look 👍
Ah yes, the rail is for attaching your “veterinary” master key.
Never know when you may have to humanely dispatch a bird, from a distance, in the air.
@@chetmanley220 That's just hunting. Don't need an assassination weapon for that, a good old shotgun will do :)
This is my new all time fav gun
Similar to other noise-producing equipment such as lawn-mowers and chain-saws, this includes a muffler.
Novel concept, and I must say, I think it could catch on!
Excellent informative video, as always. Thanks.
Hope you enjoyed the RA in Leeds. All manner of weaponry. My home city. Went to the RA opening there in 1996.
Man the way they work is “baffleing”
I really like your site and its explanations, but it is very frustrating not to see these weapons in action. For example, I think I would never have a Welrod in my hands, but a little video demonstrating at least one shot, with if possible a "slo mo" and noise measurement, as well as the accuracy at different distances would be VERY interesting.
Thanks anyway.
Sometimes he does that at the end of his videos. Check out his second channel "InRangeTV".
didn't james herriot have one of these?
Awesome :D Would love one as a gimmick. Probably hideously expensive though.
2:09 Typo in subtitles(seer)
Although this is marketed as a veterinary pistol. Is this also supposed to be a kind of tribute to the Welrod or did they just consider it to be the best possible design for this application and copy it?
Perhaps one of the designers has a fascination of Welrod pistols but could never find or afford to buy a real one, so convinced his boss that they needed to make a new line of 'veterinary pistols' so that he could design, build and own his dream gun.
Anyone else cringed as he unscrewed the suppressor? My teeth hates that.
Another gun to add to the "I need one" list.
the funny thing is that's not legal in the United Kingdom. what really sucks is I live in the United Kingdom. just an hour away from Leeds
Care to explain a bit further?
I thought the UK was quite liberal regarding the use of silencers/suppressors...
Doc Gonzo True, but not when it comes to handguns that arent blackpowder or have a huge 'stabilising' rod, like a stock. This is why criminals used to use sawn off shottys before the black market in firearms exploded with the internet.
Halcyon Days yes UK is quite good on silencers my firearms officer insisted on I had one on my licence. however Pistols are quite hard we have to have a longer barrel what does not include the silencer and we have to have a longer stock what some people call a coat hanger. basically the pistol is a small rifle classification. and for semi Autos it is 2 2 only. however we can have semi-auto shotguns because they can under a different licence.
Doc Gonzo that pistol in that format is illegal in the United Kingdom. the power it's too short and it does not have a long stock on it.
that makes two of us
Thanks..I find it to be one of the most interesting forearms.
In the course of my duties I used the welrod for its intended purpose, you take the magazine off & add a short air hose to the mussel, now you have what looks like a bike pump. We did have the rail which we clipped a very small scope & a modified m-16 bipod & waited. Worked just as it was intended.
You guys should hear just how quite it really is, the pull of the trigger and firing pin is the loudest part of the whole process (sometimes the round hitting the target depending on what kind of surface your shooting) the quietest gun on earth. Maybe the spp silent but thats a customized round not 9x19.
So, what we can deduce is that British firearms design is stuck in the 1940's?
The problem hasn't changed so the answer is going to be the same. Brugger and Thomet are Swiss by the way, if you're trying to be a smart arse it's generally better if you get it right.
I love the veterinary attachments! Where can I get those?
Wait this is real?
doi.org/10.1016/j.vetpar.2017.01.020
Why would one want to develop a modern version of the Welrod? When at least in my mind it has been made entirely obsolete by the "silent cartridge" (cartridges operated by an internal piston inside the cartridge casing) firing handguns, such as the Russian PSS pistol and OTs-38 revolver.
jeemiaas For starters the rotating bolt action is a hell of a lot more quieter than semi and full auto mechanisms; less mechanical noise when chambering a new round. As well as the fact that the new system seems to have better baffles and wipes, possibly making it even quieter. The fact it's been upsized to 9x19 makes have a bit more stopping power, not to mention improved handling. Keep in mind this was typically used for assassinations, so improving this niche firearm does have importance.
jeemiaas Not to mention that this requires basically normal ammunition, meaning that you don't have to carry it with you "on holiday".
When this gun is available in US markets, many people want to assassinate trump with this gun :v
The "silent cartridge" is hard to get and expensive most places. 9mm is cheep and common so it would be cheep and easy to play with this toy. :)
perreterecon I'm in the military, you'd be surprised at the equipment we still use. As of right now, the welrod is still in service in some large standing armies. Mostly used for clandestine operations. Now it's probably used extremely rarely because of its specific use. Put this in perspective, we still use the browning hi power as our main sidearm and it'll be close on 100 years old soon. If something is not broken, don't fix it.
Beautiful item
I want a version that has a foregrip.
Two.
One replacing the grip so it forces you to load one round in at a time like in Medal of Honor Rising Sun
is anyone actually allowed to fire an original welrod? it would be cool to hear how different these two pistols are
"Hello Comrade,
My name Boris Assassinskyewitsch and I am veteria...veteritan....veterinski yes. Back in Homeland I have horses who owe mone...who break leg and I am interested in gun to make them rest ..yes! Where can buy gun?"
So this gun is for Veterinarians so so....just like a Howitzer is a Mining Tool right? :)
honestly, it kinda makes sense.
In Germany Hunters & Forest Wardens amongst the only people who are allowed to use a silencer / suppressor on their gun - in particular "city"-hunters who have to put down boars / deers / stags that were involved in traffic accidents on city streets (some parts of Berlin have a denser concentration of wild animals - particularly boars - than a lot of rural regions...).
You can't exactly walk up to a panicked wild boar with a shattered hip and calmly place an IV syringe.
And the neighbours WILL complain / call the police if you fire of an unsuppressed gun at night, when these accidents usually happen.
And this gun being single shot, bolt action,
Absolutely awesome channel. So in depth!
Never piss off a Vet (Animal or Combat) because they are both capable of _dispatching_ you in a quiet and efficient manner. That or you might wake up in a field missing your man parts.
Anyone else hear Ian's voice at about 4:36? Sounded almost like on the verge of tears :(
I am guessing this is intended to be used by both those who need to kill farm animals without disturbing the neighboring animals as others have suggested (allthough in my experience cows get more unnerved by the sudden collapse than the slight thud of modern cow killing tools, and pigs arent even phased when their buddy is electrocuted beside them). Also, I imagine it can be very handy for those times a veterinarian is called out to put an injured moose out of its misery after a acidental vehicle run in. Out in the dark at night and away from the road a mounted light on the gun would also help. Not to mention that it would be very welcome to be able to do the deed without needing hearing protection.
Above being said, I find it a bit ironic that while the Coen brothers created a ruthless killing force of a man, they had him use a compressed airgun to kill humans... then the veterinarian market looked at what is SO obviously designed first and foremost as an assassination tool and decided they could make it better and use it for animals...
In my experience one should beware while using those tactical laser guided horse tranquilizers. They may tend to cause you to want to chase cop cars while naked.
It is said (I haven´t tried it) that it is significantly less effective reducing the sound about to 129dB shot with FMJ ammovs.73dB to the Welrod. Interesting comparison!!!
You forgot to mention de self-loading capuccino maker in the accessories that can be fixed on the picatiny ring.... :D