Is Windows Update Getting WORSE?!
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Why has Microsoft taken more and more control over Windows Update out of the hands of users?
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Couldn't finish the video in one sitting. Had to update windows halfway through.
Then manage your update settings, sucker!
I've never had update problems FOR YEARS, especially since Windows 10.
Couldn't finisht he update in one sitting. It killed my PC had to buy a new one. Can continue watching n... sorry windows says it wants to update their computer and all the update does is reducing pc performance by 20% and installing 4 versions of candy crush saga on my fking pc without even asking for permission.
I've lost the Wi-Fi connection quite a few times on my laptop because Win 10 installed an update in the background without so much as a heads up. The best part, I had to do a reboot to get it working again. Can you imagine the uproar that would happen if the LAN on a machine being used for the LOL World Championship stopped working in the middle of a match because of this.
@@nowonmetube True! Just set Working hours and it wont reboot at daytime.
@@nowonmetube Guys, found the imbecile windows employee!
My favorite part is when I do want to update windows it gets stuck at 12%
@vacuum chum I wonder if that's a meme for update programmers. For most of the games I used to play back when I had packet loss issues, the games would bug out at 69% most of the time
Last time I tried updating one of my windows 7 computers it sat for two days attempting to install the updates. I finally just turned off the updates.
@Ahile for me it tells me there's an update, but then it cant update at all. I'm still on build 1607
nono. stuck at 100% is worse
@@MAGAMAN Vista update corrupted on me once and it was a pain to go back into the drive to get my data. On Win7 now and I deleted the update section of Windblows entirely, and was glad I did once they started forcing the update to 10 on everyone and then installing Candy Crush while they sold everyone's data.
Mr. Gates? I thought his name was Bill Microsoft.
Tim Apple doesn't care.
Nah its his childhood nickname
Mr. Gates makes gates.
Mr. Windows makes windows.
Windows updates haven't bothered me since I became an adult, and windows 10 is the best OS ever
think im putting windows 7 on the next laptop.
"Following this similar paradigm of free updates and Microsoft even went as far to describe Windows 10 as the last version of Windows in that it'll just be continually updated rather than replaced by another version that you'll have to pay to upgrade to down the line"
Well, that didn't age well...
Well, you don't have to pay to upgrade and it's basically still just a newer windows 10 under the hood, so while I don't understand why they'd rename it, it also doesn't really matter.
@@danimayb here, i corrected your samall mistake "windows 10 was a free downgrade for windows 7 users."
Microsoft needs to learn how Linux does things. I remember having a Debian install on a Laptop years ago, like 8-10 years ago... and...
1). Updating was 100% manual.
2). Updating almost never required a restart unless it was the Kernel (and even then, the computer said 'you *should* restart *soon* ')
3). Updating only took 30-60 seconds even with 10+ pieces of software needing updating, not 5 minutes+.
4). The updating software told you *exactly* what it was downloading, *exactly* how large it was, and *exactly* what was currently being done, instead of a blank progress meter that doesn't work or isn't accurate 99.999999% of the time.
Linux has had this crap in the bag forever, what's Microsoft's excuse?
99% of users are not technical enough to properly and timely update their systems with manual updates. You can get exact update information if you look at the updates control panel, complete with a KB number, but again, 99% of users are not technical enough to care or know what it means and some users get scared by technical jargon. Different approaches for different users.
@@JimBob1937 you don't need a degree to do apt-get update nor do-distro-upgrade
@@Oreoezi, you apparently haven't dealt with the majority of the population. Doing engineering, software development, web design...etc, I used to be surprised by how little people knew about using their computers/devices, now I have learned it's really down to the UX/UI/Developers to make software and interfaces that a person with little to no technical experience can use.
@@JimBob1937 Or how little people WANT to learn. I've been told on multiple occasions by family members to "just make it work" even when they keep making the same mistakes over and over that lead them into this mess (covering laptop fans that makes them noisier, but not wanting to buy a cheap laptop stand because "it looks ugly", ignoring my warnings on bloatware and then wondering why their computer runs so slow, or refusing to let me help explain simple software shortcuts and wanting me to "just do it"). Idiocracy was too kind, I think.
@@OreoGamingGeek I can feel your pain. Pretty much same here.
2:30 "Do they think we are just a bunch of idiots that can't maintain our PCs?" Yes, yes they are.
The vast majority of PC users are. Not everyone is an enthusiast, or has the aptitude to build their own personal computer.
This is one of the things that bothers me the most over the whole thing - I can understand though I don't agree with why the Home edition might behave in this way in approach to updates but we should atleast be able to pay for the Professional edition as a power user and have full control...
Tasks like controlling a 3D printer directly from a PC for some advanced usages or longer term logging from an oscilloscope, etc. Windows 10 is just totally unsuited to and obnoxious in its approach.
But when people who know what they are doing setup their pc it should have a option to disable alot of stuff like older version of Windows can do while setting up
@@Rroff2 I do like that they just enable auto update by default because otherwise, most people would never update their machines leading to all sorts of virus. It used to be that my first step when fixing someone else's computer was to run Windows Update and that took quite a few hours and I was lucky if the only had around 100 updates to install. And, no, that number wasn't a joke, I really did consider my self lucky if there were only 100 or so updates in the list.
What I don't like is that we don't have the power to go into the settings and setting it to only lettings us know when there's an update and letting us decide when to download and install it. It's my machine and as such, I should be able to decide when it gets updated without having to completely disable updates. In my experience, most of the people with a back-log of over 100 updates, were also the people that wouldn't take the time to go into the settings and disable auto-update. So, having auto-update on by default (and not telling the User) would work just fine.
The other issue is this thing where they roll all updates into a single package and enforce auto update on everyone; that's really stupid. It creates a situation where the only way to avoid one specific bad update is by disabling all updates which is really dumb. It makes Users choose between running the risk of bricking their system or getting a bunch of viruses due to outdated security.
they do* you dont answer a "do" question with "are".
I switched to Linux when Windows 7 started secretly downloading the Windows 10 upgrade.
I don't need to spend time fighting my computer for the rest of my life.
Lol
Or you could've just disabled the windows 10 updater tool once and for all and stayed with Windows, I guess
I think Windows 10 is a solid upgrade over 7. I skipped 8 lol
Linux 👑
I don't like Windows 10 because these updates once killed my computer and had to reinstall Windows again. Thats why im using Windows 7 now and im thinking to switch to windows 8 or linux.
Windows: Restart to finish updates
Me: Boots into Linux to avoid finishing updates and continue working
When you on "restart to finish update" part and dont have any backups, *you know you're screwed*
Then boots up windows again. Why is it making me reinstall windows I thought it’s only an update?
Installing Linux fixes ALL Windows problems! XD
@@user-ejxomyq or why do you sometimes get an update prompt after you just rebooted to finish updates? 🤔
Actually, thanks for reminding me, my computer was scheduled to restart in 5 minutes and I completely forgot!
what are the odds of that
I have more issue with download in background used up my internet data and speed.
I have a metered connection.
Who'd have thought that would be useful for stopping Windows from being as much of a pest.
Nice waifu you got there
I just told windows that my connection is metered lol
Actually that's the best solution for Windows 10 to stop screwing my work, when you gotta work, or render a video just switch the connection to metered mode, and you're updates free
@@andrescarrasco1248 until they release an update that can tell if you are lying lol
Windows used to update itself over my metered connection ...
If MS would now just bother to freaking QA test their update that would be nice... october update ....
If they still had a Testing Division...!
honestly this
They have insider previews
Ya they laid off a big part of their QA. Their consumers are the testers now. Welcome to software as a service.
Never had a problem with mine
My Question why has anyone or a group of People hasn't taken Microsoft to Civil Court to Challenge them for any damages related to the updates. I would like to know.
It’d be extremely costly and Microsoft basically has an infinite pool of money to fight the case.
I wouldn't doubt that Microsoft put some lawyer text in the windows terms of use that gives them protection for that sort of thing.
Joshua Lee - That too.
A women took MS to court after her computer started updating from Windows 7 to 10 without her consent. Which resulted in her laptop being soft bricked because the Win 10 update failed halfway thru.
If you actually read the Windows 10 EULA, then you'd know that it contains a clause that says you CAN'T participate in a class action lawsuit against them unless you intentionally opt out of that clause.
I'm enjoying how frequently LTT videos end with "switch to Linux" these days.
I use the raspberry pi OS but i like regular linux too
@@nathanmead140 haha, define "regular Linux"! Assuming the RPi OS is based on the Linux kernel, it's as Linux as any other major distro :)
(inb4 the GNU/Linux correction squad.)
@@CattoRayTube Well the raspi has an ARM processor and a few other specifics for that exact hardware. You can run even "regular" distros that support ARM on it, but it's not a very pleasant experience.
So yeah, technically it's linux, but it's ... different. Kind of like Android is also linux.
@@CattoRayTube I'd like to interject..
Who am I kidding, its Linux.
@@patience__8051 you wanted to interject that it's not Unix?
on windows 7 you can straight up disable windows update
In Windows 10: Type "services.msc" -> go to "Windows Update" -> Click Properties -> Start type: Deactivated.
@@Gromic2k that doesn't work. It just enables itself again
@@Gromic2k it still sucks in Win10, it's nice to not have to completely disable updates but still not have to worry about your computer doing a spontaneous update reboot
@@Gromic2k You can control how auto update behaves (or disable it) in group policy.
See www.rizonesoft.com/disable-windows-10-updates-group-policies/
There you can configure auto updates to:
- Notify before downloading and installing any updates
- Automatically download updates and install them on the schedule specified
- Download the updates automatically and notify when they are ready to be installed
- Allow local administrators to select the configuration mode that Automatic Updates should notify and install updates.
or
- Disable automatic installs completely
Edit: missing option
You can disable windows update service on win 10,it will prevent windows to update
"GASP" a software company soooo arrogant they think they know what's best for us?!
Say it ain't so!
IN THEIR ARROGANCE!!!!!!
One of the major reasons why my work computer is Linux. I ask the computer for Updates when *I* want.
Windows was always meant to be pirated :D none of this nonsense
I hope that update is better driver support and software support.
Yeah, And i'm asking with pleasure.
And at least in Ubuntu, you have the great luxury to install the updates in the Background!!! On Windows 10, you spend like 2-3 hours with those long Restarts. I got even worse: Skype updates also need those long restarts :(
@thegeorgezila Name calling? Shows I am correct.
What I don't get is why the updates need to take so long. On Linux, you download new updates, and while they are installing, you just continue working. Afterwards, you just restart the apps that were updated, or you reboot your computer when there was a kernel update. Even if updates were forced on you, and even with forced reboots, it would still be less painful than a Windows update.
It's mostly the same on windows. Even with a cheap SSD, updates other than the big releases install in the background and usually take less than a minute to reboot.
I really dont know why windows EVER promts a "reboot and update" type screen. I mean I'm not going to have the computer running for anymore than like 12 hours max, surely it can just do its thing in the background on shutdown/start.
Your distro of Linux is tailored to your PC's needs, nothing more, nothing less. Windows however has basic support for just about anything you could install it on. And even though Win10 has gotten better about not keeping the extra bloat, there's still a lot there from Windows 3.11 and everything since. Want Program Manager? It's in there. Want the XP Picture Viewer? It's still in there. Etc.... And the updates also address things you don't use but may use in the future.
@@VeyronBD Not everyone's like that. I personally NEVER turn off my PC, and windows makes it so hard to keep it working that I just had to switch to linux. I don't believe that it should work the way does in Windows.
Say Discord or Telegram - both notify you about updates by showing a glowy button somewhere, but can still be used without any problems before you have the time to actually click on these buttons. They won't suddenly freaking restart in the middle of a call/large text, they'll leave it to the user, and this works perfectly fine.
It's just retartded how Microsoft deals with stuff (not only windows), so I wouldn't be expecting improvements any time soon.
Linux filesystems are designed so all files can be overwritten on disk while they are still loaded into memory and used by applications. Which means that all you need to do is restart an updated app. Windows filesystems can't do that.
Switched to Linux mint a year ago and I am not going back
So why are you watching a video about windows updates lol? Seems like kind of a boring topic if you don't use windows. I don't use a Mac so I definitely don't waste my time watching videos about patching macs
@@cgaccount3669 because we love Linus :)
Because there is usually more tech updates in these videos that I am interested in. Also I like watching the shit show that is micrsoft lol
I guess your not a gamer then.
@@Poifix there's a lot of games on linux + steam proton makes it very easy to use windows games
my favourite part about windows updates is not getting them, thanks linux
Linux will probably what I will go to if I am ever forced off win 7 by some magical force
What framerate do you get on DirectX exclusives? How is your variable framerate display experience? Besides not having the 'opportunity' to run RTX(which is an enviable trait), you have no voice in the Windows versioning space, as you will likely forever lack the fundamental support exclusive to Microsoft. "blah don't need those features" 'blah vulkan". while those are good points, you are still rocking a unix based usage model, and remain equivalent to a " 'Last of Us" or 'Halo blah' is worth my infrastructure and interoperability compromises" plebe. Yes Linux, and also the godforsaken macos, grant you immunity from the blights of Windows. They also conversely preclude you from the benefits. Wake me up when you hit double digit market share, and then maybe nary a consumer-wide developer will blink an eye in your direction.
+schulmaster so basically your criticism of linux boils down to "linux is worse than windows at running software designed for windows"
@@schulmastery I am using Linux too, got more stability and security, also most games run great with dxvk.
Windows is to bloated and takes my rights of using a pc away.
The future is Vulkan not DirectX.
If you suggest people not to use it because of the small marketshare until the marketshare hits two digits,it will never happen.
@@ydihtty yes, if concatenated with ",and as a result of my reading comprehension, I have also inferred that the software designed for windows, such as DirectX titles, and the technologies designed for windows, such as out-of-the-box multi gpu rendering or gsync for example, will not sufficiently offset the misery of Windows 10 for the majority demographic of this channel; and that all the aforementioned tend to be prevalent requisites of purported PC compatibility(games biased)".
I would not say Linux is bad because it cannot run 'Empires and Puzzles' like my iPhone can, even though my iphone is doubly restricted by ARM and the AppStore model. It's true. But it doesn't speak to why Linux will be a bad experience for the composite Windows PC gamer looking to escape.
*Windows 10:* The OS no one wants or asked for, yet critical for gaming. Damn you Direct X!!!!!
Im pretty sure thats one of the reason DX12 is hold back by a lot of studios, beside being different developing with it. Developer want their game to run on the biggest plattforms first. Using DX11 they can catch Windows 7, 8 & 10 while DX12 only gets 10. First priority is always DX11 and after that we often get pretty bad DX12 implementations.
VULKAN plays nice with Windows, Nintendo Switch, Android, and most importantly Linux. IMO it outperforms DX12, in just about every game or emulator I have been able to throw at it. I do understand that some development tools or engines may be constricted to DX, but Vulkan is probably going to be the API of the future.
Notonix which is probably why MS backported DX12 to Windows 7
kakarroto007 I disagree. The fairest comparison would be if a game supports both DX12 AND Vulkan, which we just don't have right now. So we can't make comparisons. Plus, in some cases, the DX12 port has worse performance as it is a new paradigm and developers are not used to it yet
@@ckingpro Agree to disagree. Cemu and RPCS3 are perfect examples of where Vulkan runs circles around DX12.
The funny thing is that my system still doesn't update to 1809
EDIT: Litterally 5mins after commenting this I actually got the update... I should do this more often.
@travelerwithstyle rufus is far more easier i believe.. Rufus is best
Same I had to manually install 1809
1945
My teachers laptop got an update one day when we were using it for an exercise. Well, it took too long and she delayed the exercise for the day after.
I use mac os x, linux and windows 10 each day. Windows is the only OS to take AGES to update and to reverse updates on regular basis. So annoying.
Get SSD problem solved lol
to be fair if you have a decent pc windows updates shouldn't take more than 1 minute. For me it usually takes about 30 seconds so I don't see the hassle. If I use my 15 years old laptop however it can take 15 minutes to a half hour depending on the update.
Really? I find my Mac has to sit for way to long to get its updates finished. Ugh
Windows update sucks especially if you don't have high speed internet and a stable one, i live Indonesia where high speed internet isn't a thing. 100 mbps is a luxury here, 50 mbps is a common if you live in jakarta or main city, here in my village getting 20mbps is a blessing where it could go down to even 500 kbps (bits not bytes) sometimes not to mention the price for it which is high. Windows update is really annoying since if your connection isn't stable, let's say it's stable for a couple of minute and it dropped to no connection, this is where it get annoying, after the connection goes back up, the update didn't continue and sometimes even after an hour or even 3 hourof waiting it stays the same (I'm using ssd as my boot drive) thus i need to restart my windows cleared the last update cache, restart again and the update could start again. Therefore when Windows 10 has function to delay update i activated it immediately so i don't need to do those kind of thing often and for the past months i've been using O&O Shut Up 10 to disable update when i don't want to update it.
As some mentioned, it might be down to older hardware or drivers.
My updates can take up to 10 minutes, depending on size, but I also use an HP Mobile Workstation with SSD and 24GB RAM and have the complete Office 365 suite installed.
On Linux we choose when to update and what updates to download. Updating does not impact performance as much and we don't even need to reboot even if it is a kernel update for the changes to appear.
_GNU/linux master race_
I choose when to do updates on Windows 10, I choose every time I'm done with my computer, then walk away while it happens. 99% of the time when I start using it again there isn't an update, again.
I wouldn't say updates don't impact performance. The Spectre patches did make things slightly slower, but that was to be expected. Also, if you are using, say Ubuntu, you can hotpatch the kernel. In other cases, the kernel *does not* get updated UNLESS you restart.
Just stay on your shitty linux then.
@@danv9113 On linux, we can update and still using the computer while it's updating
Me : *doing my final exam practice test by editing a movie
Windows : ArE YoU DoInG sOmEthIng ImpOrt4nt !!!!! , Reeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Pc : *boots into updates and stuck at 99%
Me : °0°
°0°
°0°
°0°
The dumbest way to portray such a situation
@@yehyahamzawy4045 but it works
Thumb up always when mentioning switching to Linux ;).
Why not watch linux videos if you're a linux user? Why do so called linux users spend so much time trolling videos that have nothing to do with linux? Seems odd lol
@@cgaccount3669 Why? To get ammunition ;D. That's why. "Know your enemy" and stuff ;).
But seriously, it's not that windows is bad. It's a very useful system, greatest for gaming, etc. but has some serious flaws, one of them is lack of privacy and choice. And of course updates. Linux is awesome but its major flaws are because it doesn't have such big marketshare and that is why we have fewer games or if they run, you need to accept ca. 10-20 fps loss and tinkering with some titles. That is also the reason why Adobe suite is not on Linux and why many standard programs are not (easily) available there. And more.
The more Linux becomes known and popular, the better for the whole ecosystem and at some point, major players and various communities start to notice it. It's good for Linux and its users but it's also good for average computer users who become aware of the choices and are freer because of that.
So yeah, whenever something bad is about Windows, we point our ears to enjoy lack of such problem and have reasons to convince others, so we could have better and better system. Besides, competition is good and Windows has a too big monopoly. It's not healthy for everyone.
@CG Account
Trolling?? What?? Calm down. You're being paranoid. Nobody is here to troll you for using a crappy OS. It's your choice, so you deserve it XD
@@deleatur You're obviously trolling if all you do is watch windows videos so you can tell people linux is better. Lol... do you think that helps linux? It doesn't. If you love linux then great. Go watch videos on it and comment on them lol
@@cgaccount3669 triggered 😅😅😅😅😅😅
After using Linux packet managers and updates for a while, Windows updates feel so stoneage.
Linux updates have spoiled me silly.
So having to go into the command line and edit files with a horrid text editor is more advanced that the windows updates? That's an odd perspective to have.
@@MAGAMAN Or, you know, you could just start the GUI update client that will update every single piece of software on your PC.
@@MAGAMAN I use Manjaro Deepin as my Linux distro, have installed it on nearly 20 computers for myself, family, and others, and only once have I had to go into the terminal window to reset my security keys for the package manager, and that was only because I had a power outage during the middle of an update that caused my computer to reset itself, can't say the same for my one Netbook on Linux Mint Mate 32bit having to add PPA's for a few minor pieces of software, but once it was done I did not have to do it again, and everything just updates via Mint updates. If you have 64bit hardware Manjaro Linux in your choice of DE(Deepin is my fav.) is the way to go, as it's Arch for sane people, and my updates today took 10 minutes for the packages with a reboot, then a kernel update took 3 minutes with a reboot. on my own time, and not like when Windows 10 would force me to do it sometimes during the middle of doing my work.
@@MAGAMAN Guessing you never used the popular distros for personal computers. On Ubuntu, you have a pop-up comes up around once a week. You can close it or ignore it and nothing will happen. If you click update, it will start downloading and updating in the background. You don't have to close programs, stop what you are doing, or reboot.
*You sometimes do have to reboot, but that only comes when there are kernel updates and those are rare if you are using any stable release.
2003 Will not forget, that Windows update on the XP, lost lots of artwork and homework. This was the first time I experienced the rumored deletion by windows update.
5:18 Windows Updates are one of the major reasons I switched to Linux ... I'm glad I did.
It literally says on windows that the auto updates are always enabled unless you set your connection to metered... why not do that??????? this takes 2 or 4 clicks
@@yehyahamzawy4045 No
@@yehyahamzawy4045 I set mine to metered, then actually disabled the updater in the registry...only to get a mandatory update two weeks later. This shit is _persistent_
@@yehyahamzawy4045, this prevents other programs from communicating over the network and stops them from working properly; essentially breaking them.
The "metered mode" is just like "data saving mode" on Android or iOS; you shouldn't use it for normal use; just if you *really* need to save data.
Linux has updates as well but you got control over them better than Windows OS.
_This is why I use Linus_
quality meme
huomenta taikamuna,mites menee:D
#YouUseLinusTechTipsMultibootedWithTechquickieAndLinuxUbuntu
You mean Linux
Which Linus distro do you use? I personally prefer TechQuickie.
Thats why Windows pays my bills and Linux runs my network :)
LMFAO XD
your windows pays your "bills"? ;)
@@MrAydinminer meaning he fixes them.
@@McIntec you didn't get the joke.
they pay his "bills"
referencing to BILL Gates the owner of microsoft.
@@MrAydinminer Oh, you're unique...
I'm really going to hate it when Windows becomes subscription based! I'll be using Linux primarily instead of secondarily.
Just go ahead and beat them to it by switching to Linux primarily.
Windows is gonna become subscription-based? (Or are you making a joke or something?)
Pink Gamer Princess I'm not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure I've heard people mention that Microsoft has been thinking of making Windows subscription based. I hope I'm wrong!
Pink Gamer Princess They are going do it but, only for enterprises and institutions instead of homes.
Why don't you just get an older version of Windows?
more on Linux. Any bit of popularity will help Linux and Gamers in the long run,
@Bill Overbeck Linux has Wacom tablet support already. And there are rumours that Adobe software will be officially available on Linux. All depends on how much attention Linux gets.
@Bill Overbeck I see this brought up often, but how many mainstream people, or gamers for that matter, still use Adobe. It's also not like Adobe cant make it Linux native. At the end of the day, they go where the customers are anyway.
E: exactly, SirNiczeK
Not likely. Linux is for enthusiasts and will always be that way. Linux vs pc is like doing your own car maintenance vs taking it to a shop.
With the amount of driver issues that PC gamers have to deal with, there will always be a ton more on linux.
@@Shyhalu It's been ages since i heard of driver issues on windows (7 that is, 10 is an abomination anyway). Again, comes down to popularity since the popular OS will have priority. If Linux was more popular, roles would be reversed. Obviously not for many distros, but it doesnt have to be.
@@Shyhalu The only driver issue on linux is nvidia because they're assholes yet. But amd's fine i guess as they include their hardware specs. Drivers on linux almost always work much better than windows drivers.
More and more videos that have BIG and CLEAR messages that says you could switch to Linux to get away from *some* problems of Windows... mm
It's just a better operating system. I don't know what to tell you
Dual boot is the better option. Linux also has some problems of its own
switch to ubuntu
@@EfHaichDee The problem with Linux is still the lack of software support. I don't care about what OS I run as long as I can run the software I need there and do so without losing performance. It's not only about games even but in general. It's often the case that Linux has some open source alternative of the software I use but it's not the same in terms of features and quality. It's the same trap Windows Mobile OS got into. It doesn't matter of the OS is good or bad if there is no common software released for it.
@@vatsalaykhobragade I'm already running KDE Neon for more than a year now, I'm no longer a Windows user :-)
linux updates doesn't require restarts 90 % of the time either muhehehehe
@c660pro that shows me that you have no clue xD
@Dude Sensitive Ass maybe he Installed 64bit kernel on a 32bit CPU 😂
c660pro I'd bet 50 bucks you added the wrong repository for something and got conflicting versions
linux mint is one of the most difficult distros to mess anything up on
@c660pro pae is physical address extension, means you could run 32bit CPU with more than 4gb of ram.
Installing a pae kernel makes only sense if your CPU could handle it and if you have more than 4gb of memory installed.
But nowdays 64bit is the standard, so no problems there
And if they do, you're not forced to do it immediately or outside of active hours, you can restart whenever you want.
I ditched Windows 10 on my laptop recently and I am about to do the same on the desktop as well. The latest updates are slowly transforming Windows into a complete spyware system with more and more old school Windows features being quietly removed. The way things are going I wouldn't be surprised even if right clicking on items is removed and that you'd have to pay for an app to use that feature... it just makes me sick...
I work in IT and I can tell you that 2 out of every 5 Windows updates cause issues with our servers. So annoying lol
So do they cause on PCs as well.
However, I use Linux lol
Use windows 7 and set updates to manual
Work with 145 PC windows updates (Public ONG and Local Government), out that number only 2 got problem with update so far (in two years), not sure why other get this problem often and other friends don't have problems at all with Win 10 but I agree with everyone than updates are a pain in the ass, I just put a pause and that keep that problem away every single time, recently the health care office swift to Linux coz less payment but have to pay the Linux guy to teaching the people Linux, still prefer Win10 in overall
Weird cuz I work in IT with tons of linux and windows machines and windows is a lot more capable and simple to use and maintain. As Homer says 75% of all people know you can make up statistics. Or lies.
What kind of idiots are using Windows for servers? And also pushing updates to them before testing?
Windows Updates has been making me laugh to hard since October, it brings a tear to my eye. Praise Tux.
Which October? For me they been a laugh. I mean dude I had to sit there and teached them some stuff but it doesn't seem like they learned anything. But then again, I don't make a good teacher.......
Microsoft has actually never removed the ability to disable updates for power users. If you are running Windows 10 Pro, embedded, or enterprise you have access to the system's Group Policies which allow you to very granularly control your system. Under [Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update] you can find a policy called "Configure Automatic Updates" which lets you /completely/ disable /ALL/ updates, or, alternatively configure it to work more like, well, any sane system.
You can actually configure if you want it to auto download the update or ask you first, and then you can also choose if you want it to schedule the update, or ask you if you want to install it, thus never auto installing an update. You can also edit the restart notifications as to when it will show up and make it so you can dismiss it, so you can always dismiss it. Not only can you edit the restart notifications, but you can also do away with them completely, setting Windows to never auto restart and only install the updates that require a restart when a user manually reboots the system. There is a lot of control you can have over windows updates still (and even Cortona to some effects). If you are just a plebian using Windows home, you probably don't really have that much to complain about, but if for some crazy reason you are a power user using Windows home, well you can do all of this in the registry... and you can download the group policy editor files online and enable the group policy editor in the registry too.
Actually, you can pretty much turn Windows 10 Home into Windows 10 Pro with a few hours of tinkering- or you can just use Microsoft's generic upgrade key found for free on their site to use, wait for it, Windows update to update you from Home to Pro in a few minutes* (*depending on your internet speed), and then just forever live with the Windows not activated logo, or, you know, before that, block the KMS IPs or something. Regardless, if you're using it at home, no one cares. Even if you never activate it or block the KMS servers (or spoof them, w/e) you can STILL get rid of that watermark and change your desktop background without activating Windows with just a few words in Google. Seriously, if M$ wanted to make it hard on power users, they would. This is only for regular home users who don't understand security. If you are the type of person to complain about Windows updates, and you don't do anything about it because you believe you can't then you are NOT a power user. And if you think you are a power user, then you need to take a step back and re-evaluate what power user means.
If I had money I wouldn't be stuck on windows 10 home
dewd471 with all due respect, and I really do mean that, you clearly have access to the internet. While they may not all be easy, or convenient, or even always legal, there are, none the less, many ways to get Windows 10 Pro or the Windows 10 Pro functionality with little to no money, as I've pointed out. A lot of us went through that too. I would love to sit here all night and tell you about my tech enthusiast experiences as a broke kid at a time when no summer job would buy you a gaming computer, and you got Windows keys from hardware stores... or by writing them down from the side of desktops you saw... The point is, as someone once said, where there is a will, there is a way. You want to take control of your computer? It's always possible. If you want to run Windows 10 pro bad enough, just figure it out, and do it. It might be hard, or it may be easy, but if it's worth it to you, you have to at least try to make it happen earnestly. Best of luck!
Sometimes, when I shut down or reboot my Windows 10 computer it goes straight into a update or configuration without warning...
Linus says Linux, I like. I'm a simple man.
i see a good comment, I like. I'm a simple man. 😕
As simple as Arch?
@@Booming-letsplays
I see Arch, I like.
because i am a simple man, i will rate this comment in emojis
😮👍😎
Linux it is then...
Why does Windows update take so long? Most of my updates on Linux system take about a minute and are only MB in size.
Same thought. Infact I"m doing an upgrade now. Oh wait,. it's finished dling and installing 304 packages. All done.
The lack of information and control over my machine during the update process was one of the major reasons I moved to Linux.
Seriously, Microsoft .. wtf are you updating/deleting/changing when you just say "Configuring updates..." ?
@@Dodge0359A aye. This week along I've had to deal with over 2 dozen machines who's data was erased for no known reason. I had to recover it all. Thankfully I did. We reviewed their data and found no reason for it. Some contacted MS and they answer that got is "Well sometimes that happens, we don't know why. Just make sure you have backups before updating."
There are now 19 more, happy FOSS users in the world.
@@IPONJ okay, but I'd ask when this "before" is. Windows likes to just randomly force an update on you ;p I still use windows 7, for now, and debian on my laptop. But the other computers in the house, even when set to schedule updates for X time, like to do them at X Y and Z as they please. My mother lost about an hours work, writing, a few weeks ago because of an update (and word not providing a backup for some reason) when she went to go make a pot of coffee.
Bloody hell, sorry mate. One costly cupa.
13 years on Linux. I love watching these videos! :)
Love watching Windows videos? I drive a Ford. I love watching videos on Toyotas. That's how you sound lol. If you switched 13 years ago it's time to end your love affair with Windows.
@@cgaccount3669 I've seen you comment in multiple threads. You sound like a fanboy of Windows desperately trying to compensate.
@@pooki-dooki No. Just can't sleep and was reading thru comments. Hoping for on topic discussions about updates rather than fan boy linux crap. I'm a heavy linux unix mac windows freebsd IT guy with networking and a few proprietary systems mixed in. Not to forget my old DOS VAX QNX Netware roots. I have strong negative and positive views of all OSs. They can all be a real pain sometimes! The flood of linux fans trying to dilute comment sections has gotta stop. But fair enough... the video itself fanned the flames on purpose lol
@@cgaccount3669 Welp, I primarily use Fedora. I ever so sometimes boot back into Windows 10. I find GNOME to be much more simplistic and minimalistic than Windows 10. Much that can be said for any Linux distro. Especially those who used to be on Windows 10 Home *shudders*
...Alright GNOME haters, come at me. Ill throw you in my jail shell!
@@brekmister dwm or bust
4:26 that aged like milk (windows 11)
Microsoft went communist.
*Windows 7* My Personal Computer !
*Windows 10* Our Personal Computer :D
Communism hmmm
@@iwouldprefernotto5179 It's a boody joke man!
“Communist” is when the Government owns everything. Microsoft is a corporation, not a Government.
Unless...
@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 shhh just let it happen
Its why Im building another pc before win7 support ends and ghost the drive.
In Linux you don't even need to reboot anything, unless is a Kernel Update and eben then, you habe full control over your system.
i dream of this, but depend on windows :(
Pushing linux, jolly good show.
His name _is_ Linus, so
This is one area where Windows could really do with taking a page out of Linux's book for how to do something right.
Linux totally reverses your relationship with OS updates. For a start, the updater on Ubuntu or Mint or similar OSes isn't just for your OS, it's for all of your software installed via the package manager and even your drivers too. So you have 1 updater for everything, instead of 20 or 30 update services running for everything. Also, by default updates do not install automatically.
On Linux Mint for example, if there are updates available, it just shows a little icon in the system tray. That's it, nothing else, just a little icon. When you are ready, with free time, you click click that, it opens up the Update Manager, shows a list of updates. By default all the updates are ticked, but you can untick all, or just untick a few few, click "Install", and the updates you selected are installed. You can also 'ignore' an update for a particular package if you never want to update it.
All the updates install pretty quickly, and best of all, no need to reboot! Not only that, but on Linux, generally speaking, updates only fix things, add useful stuff, or make your PC more stable or faster, I can't remember an update every breaking my OS under Linux.
Linux isn't perfect but oh boy did they get updates RIGHT.
Microsoft is going in that direction with their MSIX for package management. Heck MS can look into their own Windows 7 where you could CHOOSE the updates you wanted.
I shouldn't have done read more
PC: *windows updates*
PC: *breaks*
Me: Are you kidding me??!!!
I updated my windows tablet from build 1709 to 1809 and it booted to empty black desktop nothing worked not even the start menu I had to reset the windows, never updating windows 10 ever.
@@TR2000LT mine just did that. it deleted all my shit and moved the windows folder to my user folder ?
totally fucked up everything. I'm so fucking annoyed with windows these days but im not fuckin learning another os
And this, is why I went back to Windiws 8.1 again. I'm done with Windows 10 because of that. ^^;
Didn't that happen to many people who were forced to upgrade when 10 came out? I remember hearing this a lot. Drivers breaking, hardware not functioning etc. after windows just kinda... updated itself.
This comment section:
LINUX GOOD
That's a fact!
Because that is true.
@thatsamywamy MC Disclaimer. Please do not think, that GNU/Linux is slow while using Raspbery pi. Rp is very low end computer, thats why it lags sometimes
Well it is. Antergos - Your Linux. Always Fresh. Never Frozen. ...and after trying i3 i can't go back to a desktop style interface
I agree, but Linux doesn't run 99% of the games I own.
Can we have dark mode on the background of these videos please?
+1
Linus Dark Mode channel when?
But TH-cam has dark mode already... Or are you talking about, for the Windows system? Which it also has dark mode.
@@ZekePolarisBSH The backdrop to his videos
@@adastraconstant OHHHH!!! LOL I thought you mean computer wise.
Windows SEVEN should've been the so-called "last version."
i agree
I mean, I don't think so. I think at some point when hardware gets better, that we'd need software to improve with it. I still use win7, but at some point it'll end up too obsolete, and we're going to have to switch to linux or upgrade.
Nope, windows 7 feels out of date with the new GUI on other OS like mac and android or maybe even linux!
@@AlfiesFuntime well, lets compare start times:
Win 7 on my 2013 elitebook 8740p with sata ssd 16 sec
Win 10 on my 2019 elitebook x360 with 970 evo nvme ssd 48 sec
I am trying to install win 7 now...
@@sloppy-1-1
My win 10 boots up in 20 seconds on a crappy 15 eur ssd, so you definitely fucked up somehow. Don't blame the os lol
I understand continually updating the same OS is way better but there was something kind of fun about switching to the version of windows. kind of like a forced "clean start"
Don't forget, everything worked better before Windows 8, and now we're stuck with a broken OS that will get updates indefinitely, and never get fixed.
Yep, my summer house computer has internet once a year for about a week. Guess how often i can use it because it has to download and update for 599 times.. (lets just say.. the number is far less than 599)
You know laptops exist?
@@jeffreyb.4434 Why not just stick a battery in the house and make it portable
@@jeffreyb.4434 Yeah but thats how it is, been using it for like 10 years now ;p Why buy a laptop for once in a year vacation..
Well as far as I know there has never been an internet connected computer that doesn't require security patches no matter what OS. So in your case you should just use your phone and forget a computer at your cabin. Or keep it offline if you're just using it for a game or spreadsheet. No company should make an OS that can easily have updates turned off. It's just irresponsible since most people need the updates. Windows Linux MacOS Unix etc all need to be patched regularly like it or not.
It may also be that M$ wants to revert changes that more informed user do to stop data collection and bloatware installation.
It's not bloatware if you can uninstall it by deleting the files through MS-DOS❤
Or Linux😀
@@nathanmead140 Hummm... it's bloatware if it keeps coming back without going deep into registry to change a value and finding a setting buried deep as well. Also it's bloatware if it gets install without permission on a fresh install. sorry you aren't going to convince me.
@@nathanmead140 Also i'm for Linux if i could play my games without losing performance.
I just use windows 7 with Malwarebytes and a good antivirus program and call it a day, don't know why you all need to overcomplicate things
Windows games on Linux play like crap
Windows 10 is a pain in the ass even after painstakingly removing all the bullshit (just to have it all revert after the next update)
Just use windows 7 and install decent internet security software, who cares if it "loses support" it will still work and your security software will stop viruses and malware
@@ericstockley Actually, playing Windows games on Linux (kinda) works with a Windows VM and GPU passthrough, with minimal performance losses, maybe 2-4 fps depending on what you are doing. It's not exactly playing on Linux, but you don't have to reboot if you want to do other stuff in Linux. In fact, I'm doing everything except gaming in Linux and it feels good to degrade Windows to an application :)
I was in class the other day. The class was IT Excellence. The teacher asked if anyone watches Linus Tech Tips or Techquickie. Only me and one other person put their hands up... I thought this was IT Excellence.
I still use Windows 7 and I just tweaked the registry so that it won't auto reboot.
It can download and install all the updates it wants, just that auto reboot is nothing I will allow on my system.
What is the registry edit? That sounds usefull
Windows 10 Pro is pretty much the same without having to tweak the registery.
That s the problem. Everyone does not want to tweak into complex settings as they feel lazy. Windows updates make them really frustrated.
98% of computer users barely know how to turn on the wifi let alone what a registry is.
@@theunconventionaldeal3879 but i know what it is
(Because i broke 3 windows xp systems with regedit.exe)
1v1 situation.
*WINDOWS NEEDS TO RESTART*
*Closes game*
:(
Doesn't work that way on windows 10 it updates after you close pc
Bullshit
It doesn't work this way.
i never had to close anything. all updates didn't require restart or if it did, was normal restart when i shutdown and power up the pc
@@shmubogdan9624 Depends on the update. Many updates will run in the background and won't even bother you that its updating, unless you got a slow enough PC with an HDD to feel something its installing something. It only requires restart on big enough patches, even then I rarely felt that I have to update my PC now and if it arrives, I'm already finished using my PC and shutting down.
Especially those two in one tablets that has limited space, it's just bogged down with bloated software. Just stop adding unwanted shit that makes your computer slow
Rumor has it they are working on a “lite” version of the os for devices with lower end hardware
@@Eli-si4zf If true, then maybe, just maybe I might put that on one of my 4GB of RAM or less tablets
After some time, MS added a feature which allows you to connect a usb drive to use it's additional space during update process. I've actually tried it on a cheap windows tablet - it kinda works. But, should I mention that it takes forever?)))
Windows is a lost cause
[laughs from far away in Linux]
@@josef_fritzl [laughs in Steam/Proton in Linux]
dual boot masterrace, win10 for the few games you can't run natively, and literally nothing else. oh you want to update windows? lemme just block all the microshit servers in my firewall real quick. pirated ltsb 1809 no updates for- well I was going to make the 'for life' meme but actually just until witcher 3 runs well on linux and the nexus mod manager finally gets ported
@@josef_fritzl Linux is far from perfect but it's definitely come a long long way. More and more games are being ported to it and performance is now pretty good. Sorry you had a bad experience, but mine (and for sure others) has been basically rock solid, for the few games I play on Steam anyways. If you have an AMD card your experience will be fairly smooth since the driver is in-kernel. Linux is not /exclusively/ for gaming. But it's damn good for what it's worth, at least at this point in time.
Give it a spin nowadays, it's improved massively.
Well, all we know is that Windows now behaves like malware.
An old joke, but a good one.
No, Windows is not a virus. Here's what viruses do:
1.They replicate quickly - okay, Windows does that.
2.Viruses use up valuable system resources, slowing down the system as
they do so - okay, Windows does that.
3.Viruses will, from time to time, trash your hard disk - okay,
Windows does that too.
4.Viruses are usually carried, unknown to the user, along with
valuable programs and systems. - Sigh.. Windows does that, too.
5.Viruses will occasionally make the user suspect their system is too
slow (see 2) and the user will buy new hardware. - Yup, Windows does
that, too.
Until now it seems Windows is a virus but there are fundamental
differences: Viruses are well supported by their authors, are running
on most systems, their program code is fast, compact and efficient and
they tend to become more sophisticated as they mature.
So Windows is not a virus.
It's a bug.
My favorite part about windows 10 is that it can now access the bios on newer computers. Now it doesn't just screw itself up, but the bios too.
He didn't specify virus, he specified malware.
@@MAGAMAN welp, Windows could do that since 95(even some viruses could have corrupted BIOS)
ultimate solution: install windows 7
Windows update is shatting all over my APU drivers. Nice.
I was having the same issues with Windows 10 causing APU usage pegging with an AMD A-10 5800K Turbo boosted to 4.4Ghz, and screen blanking, and it got worse when I installed a Power Color Red Dragon AMD RX 560 4GB GPU. It's why I moved over to Manjaro Deepin Linux because after you do the base updates(must be done in order) which is easy to do via the GUI updater, then reboot, then updated the Linux Kernel to 4.20.11 and today 5.0.1 via the Manjaro settings manager and then a reboot it's been smooth sailing. Don't bother with Debian/Ubuntu based distos as they have issues with newer AMD APU's, and GPU's on the 4.20 kernels, and above. The drivers for AMD hardware are built right into the newest Kernels.
For me every Windows update my ethernet drivers get reset to a version that has a memory leak problem. Always fun having 14gb out of 16gb ram usage while idle..
And don't even get me started on Windows 10's disk usage problems, I hate Windows 10.
Sorry, have a nice day
@@worstenbroodje6832 Don't be sorry because you are right, I can remember since the Vista days Windows having issues with eithernet like you said memory leaking, and just overall piss poor performance with some Realtek onboard network chipsets, and the patches would at random get screwed up with various Windows updates. Far as disk usage goes when I was on Windows 10 on my 120GB SSD I use as a boot drive, and with only the base Windows 10 install after updates and a handful of programs I was seeing over 70GB of space used even with a Windows cleanup I only managed to get it down to the mid 60 GB range. on Manjaro Deepin it's 16.1GB. lol!
@@CommodoreFan64 Yeah it's just insane. I'm planning on building a new pc this year or next year and I hope Windows 10 works better with the newer hardware. I'm still on Z87 so I am kind of outdated but that should not be a reason for all these OS problems..
Absolutely nobody:
Windows: Installing updates, don’t turn off your computer
And wait for 4 hour and still at 20%
Reinstall windows or watch energy option setings config
get a better pc and it updates in 2mins
@@y00d ikr a decent workstation really is worth it compared to a budget PC because of all the time you will save from updates and installing things and running programs.
@@y00d Get a better pc and install Linux.
I did switch to linux, because a recent windows update has made the computer bluescreen on boot :'(
I've had that a lot over the years, the amount of times I've had to reinstall because up a bad update and the system restore function not working.
Was the HDD/SSD plugged in all the way?
I had a vm bsod because i pulled out my flash drive while windows was trying to use it as a hard drive
my windows finally stopped booting and auto boot repair or whatever only crash/froze
happy to have that crap gone
... your pc is damaged then, its not caused by update, your computer just broke, hard drives can fail at ANY TIME
Must be something you did with it before update - like using some software to terminate services or violated other part of OS with it. Never happened on my PC (although, I still overwrite my USB drive with fresh version of Win10 just in case).
An aircraft analogy? Today? Wow, timing...
We'll fix it after each 8 crashes...
@@garywheeler7039 10. Take it or leave it.
I updated my pc the other day, blue screen, after blue screen, uninstalled the updates, pc running perfectly fine
Thank you Linus for the Linux plug! We in the Linux community appreciate it.
about one year ago I had enough of this slavery and I am now running my two main machines on Linux.
Lucius Terembis -- Think I'm gonna do that too.
Linux has come a long way in the past couple of decades. Modern distros are plenty capable and easy to use. What bothers me is people who refuse to even attempt to learn how to use it because they're so used to Windows. Then you have the gamers who stick with Windows due to games. You do know you can run Windows in a virtual machine under Linux to play your games so that you only have to deal with the madness when you want to play some game titles.
@Scupake If you're a gamer with a gaming rig, it should be powerful enough to run a VM. It will cut into performance some though. Wine is great when it works, I try wine for programs that only have Windows versions and no open-source alternatives and it usually works. I don't really game anymore (I guess I lost interest), but when I do, the game titles are typically either open-source or cross-platform. If it doesn't run natively in Linux, I don't even bother. Dealing with Windows is not worth it for me.
@Scupake You can do a google search for "open source games" and find all sorts of lists. Some games are less resource-intensive than others, and some require a decent rig. In the past I liked some games like Alien Arena, 0AD, Battle For Wesnoth, Freedoom, Minetest (with a lot of mods, easy to learn how to write mods for), and Sauerbraten to name a few. Alien Arena can be a fun FPS game if you find the right server, but I stopped playing after I got so good at it I kept getting banned for "cheating" even though I wasn't lol. Battle For Wesnoth is a pretty big game. If I remember right, it's a sort of strategy game where you have to beat your opponent(s) and supports multiplayer. Minetest is kind of like a clone of Minecraft but isn't, it does its own thing. By default, it's pretty bland, but with the right mod set it can be fun and runs very well even on less than great hardware. The mods use Lua if I remember right and I learned how to write mods for it in a couple of days back when I played it so you can probably learn how to dramatically change the gameplay with a few weeks of learning. When it comes to open source games, you just have to search for them and see what is out there and what sounds interesting, then try them. Sadly, you might have to compile some games from source code, but always check your distros package manager to see if it is already available, but take note of the version in the package repo as it may be outdated. Some game developers are better than others at making it easy for the player to obtain the game.
Well on Arch Linux we also update a lot... but its our choice when and how ^^
I just set my connection as metered and update when I want. I'm surprised this isn't more popular.
i just set active hours.
Only see an update when i actively check for one.
@@mrankin2825 i did that but iit is completely disabled
I think
@@mrankin2825 That is OK if you live predictable hours and only ever use your PC within a certain time window - quite a few people don't. Even then I've seen Windows update behaviour ignore that in some circumstances.
Connection metering no longer blocks all updates though - as per the description it will still install/download updates MS have decided are critical for "smooth" operation of the system which in my experience is atleast 1/3rd of the available updates - which kind of takes the mick as people usually set metered because they have an actual need to manage their bandwidth use! MS developers really need to remove their heads from their behinds.
I hate that updates are so massive, 10 GB a lot of the time, when I only have 60 GB left on my SSD.
Responding to this on my Linux Mint PC I built this winter instead of a new gaming PC cause I despise Windows 10..
Hahahaha Mint? noooob!!! xddddd
I use arch btw
tfw people can't respect that you're still using something that is not Windows...
@@chlorobyte_projects Hi. This P.C. was my first attempt to move from Windows to Linux it's 12 years old. This is the computer I use to play cat videos for my kitties. I installed Linux Mint because it's easy for my cats to use. : )
@Ojas when did I use it as an insult, human?
The way GNU/Linux distros manage updates is a million times better than Windows Update, this alone is enough to keep me from ever going back to Winbugs.
Yes, Linux package management is underrated. It can handle pretty much everything that is installed and keep everything up to date with minimal to no issue. When I first tried Linux, it was the first thing I noticed that blew me away, and that was way back in 2001. When you go to Linux, gone are the days of having to search around the internet looking for software, just to download it and install it hoping it doesn't contain spyware/adware/viruses and never being able to update it without going back to the website to see if there is an update. On the typical distro, you have some software where you can search through literally thousands of software and install them and keep them updated with ease. Updates also typically don't break things, but like with any computing software, sometimes crap happens. Luckily, there are tons of volunteers out there more than willing to help you resolve any problem you encounter on Linux.
Full control over Windows Update? (besides that more and more updates aren't even working anymore, up to destroying your whole system!)
As if you had full control over anything in Windows..
You don't have control of your files, because the file browser (explorer) has become so primitive and clunky, with hugely oversized but useless elements, otherwise missing optical and informational structure, due to the removal of visible borders and a lack of maaany important features, that you actually had in Windows2000/XP.
Also you don't have full control of your data, because MS spies on you.
And then you don't even have control of the system - they are even bold enough for impoenting ads on an operating system. That's a sacriege, that many people don't even get.. although it shouldn't be too hard to understand: There's no excuse, for lowering productivity on a tool that was only bought and paid for productivity usage! It's like if a tv remote showed you an add, before you could use it's buttons to swap the channel, because of the ads in tv..it's mad and it's bad!
And don't tell me that Windows is free now.. actually Microsoft forced Users, who bought and paid for Windows for decades, into switching to their current trojan horse. There's no reason for using this shit anymore besides games.. and the only hope for PCs being productive and fun again, is project proton, for making Windows obsolete and switching to Linux.
ElMariachi That supposed project proton sounds like a random fringe project. Full feature Linux desktops have been standard for decades.
@@johnfrancisdoe1563 Well, I said "productive and fun" and project proton is about the fun part and actually very important for giving Linux a realistic chance for becoming mainstream amongst the remaining PC users, as gaming is the one thing that PCs still are most popular for at home todays. PCs are rapidly losing importance for light office and multimedia usage to tablets, smartphones and smart tvs all the time. So I claim that without project Proton (that btw currently is already working great for many games), Linux would never succed at outdoing Windows at home in numbers (until the one day, where like no one will privately have an PC at all anymore.)
I don't really understand what you mean by saying that full featured Linux desktops have been standard for decades in regards to this, it's another topic.
@@johnfrancisdoe1563 yep. That "random fringe project" is funded by Valve and integrated into steam, assuming "project proton" refers to github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/
forum.level1techs.com/t/unpopular-opinion-the-linux-community-is-awful-and-not-for-beginners/118950
@@SebisRandomTech People who can't handle Linux should better use consoles anyway.
Linux has the opposite problem. Update at your peril. Poor cross-version compatibility means you're stuck on the same version for years.
you are using the wrong distribution or are using it wrong. Some distros have old but stable software (althogh they still provide security updates) others will get all the newer and shiniest versions... and most of them lay somewhere in between... form Debian stable and Slackware all the way to Arch and Fedora tumbleweed. YOU choose.
Wrong! You can't update over multiple versions so it has to be done incrementally. I neglected updates from Kubuntu 18.10 until 20.4 came out so I had to update to 19.04 and then to 20.4. Some update settings need to be tweaked but it's nothing compared to constant hoop jumping with fucking microsoft spywear aka "windows".
So I was playing League of Legends and it slowed down (my windows was updateing) and 10 minutes later my computer shoutdown, because of the update xD
Update to fix this Microsoft has fixed
5:11 "...mandatory version of windows update is here to stay."
me: good im happy with linux.
"unless you switch to linux"
me: you read my mind!
Had enough, and switched to Linux! Amazingly good move! : )
Me too
I barely use Windows anymore.
I still use Windows, but at random times, I do use Linux.
My only problem is there are some games i want with Linux that are only Windows 10, Apex Legends and Halo Wars 2 being big ones.... good thing Halo's 1-4 are going to Steam. :)
@@Smellbringer There are ways to play Windows games on the Linux system. I just don't know them yet because when I was going to test this my self, my Hyper V broke and I couldn't use VM anymore. I think Gates broke my Hyper V.........
Mine doesn't automatically update/prompt me to. If I'm about to restart my PC it will say "Update and Restart" instead.
But what about if you leave your computer switched on and unattended for a long period of time? For example, if you leave it on overnight because you’re halfway through doing something. It may well automatically reboot to install the updates then.
I must admit that I'm still using Windows 7 at the moment, although I plan to "upgrade" to Windows 10 over the summer after I've finished my exams for this academic year. So I'm coming at this from an outsider's perspective.
You said you time your reboots for Patch Tuesday. But do you have experience where you've not rebooted soon after a Patch Tuesday? I'm under the impression that that is the most likely time an automatic reboot will be started.
The settings I'm using in Windows Update on my computer at the moment are for Windows to "Download updates but let me choose whether to install them", and for me to not recieve any "Reccomended" or "Optional" updates, only "Important" (aka: security) ones.
When such a security update is available, it will be installed when I next manually reboot my computer, without me having to take action to explicitly 'approve' the update. But if I were to hypothetically never reboot my computer again, no more updates would ever be installed: Windows will never automatically reboot to install any updates.
I like it working like this. It means I can stay as protected as possible (vulnerable for a few days sometimes, granted) without ever actually interupting my workflow. And I can take other optional updates if I want.
On Windows 10, is it possible for (at least security) updates to behave in the same way? That is, for them to never cause automatic reboots, but for them to be automatically installed whenever I manually reboot. I don't particularly mind what happens with feature updates (although the new deferring feature does sound attractive).
And I absolutely know what you mean about Linux trolls! I did try switching to Linux at one point, but after jumping through all the necessary hoops to get my programs and games working, I just realised that there really wasn't much point! For all its shortcomings, Windows is what the vast majority are used to, and it works just fine 99% of the time. Now, if only Microsoft could design security updates which don't need a reboot to install... We can always dream!
There are many points of failure that may have been put in for Microsoft's own access that other people find and exploit.
That moment when you realize that that not even Apples macOS is that restrictive with its Updates...
iOS also lets users decide if they want automatic updates or not, and even if they do, they're still not forced to install anything.
I'm sorry, I have Windows 10 and literally never had Windows force restart on me, or hardly even notifications. My PC only shows any sign of automatic updates when the computer turns off or restarts.
Yeah , same
Where do you live? Maybe only folks from American have this problems
Most people don't actually have a problem with Windows 10 updates, they just feel like complaining about it because it adds value and meaning to their life. Or they run it on toaster hardware and blame the OS for being slow. I run windows 10 on modern, decent hardware and have no issues either. I usually don't notice when I get updates. I'll hit the power button and when I go to shutdown, I see "update and shutdown" option and think "huh, my PC downloaded and installed an update. I had no idea." I usually never notice it, it's that seamless. The only thing I notice on the rare chance I do notice my PC updating is my CPU fan will be spinning faster than normal, sure enough I open task manager and see a good chunk of my CPU is allocated to the update, then lastly I open the windows update section in settings and yep, a shitload of updates. But again, it's a non issue because I run windows on decent, modern hardware. I can still do whatever I want while it's downloading.
If you use an actual computer and not dinosaur hardware or current toaster Walmart notebook hardware, windows 10 will run absolutely fine. If you don't want to use a real computer, install Linux on it and blame your machine instead of an operating system that isn't at fault. That's why I have glorious Ubuntu on my laptop (not my daily driver I mentioned earlier) because at the time I bought it, it was a mid-range $500 laptop in 2014 (but made in 2013). Yeah... Windows 10 doesn't run too well on it for obvious reasons.
Oh, and for fucks sake, put it on an SSD. That alone will solve most of your problems.
@@fulgeralbastru odd, I am also from America
Its the same for me I never EVER had forced shut downs of my Windows eversince Windows XP. I have no idea what people mess up on their computers. I live in Germany btw but I don't know if thats the point :D all versions should technically work the same
I remember postponing the update for 4 hours, every 4 hours on Windows 7. What a hoot! XD
And that is why I will stick to Windows 7.
cant do that anymore :(
Stick to Windows Embedded POSReady 7 because that's Windows 7 with more support until 2021.
@@nogodcansaveyou You think Win 7 just stops working in 2020? lol
@@MicroChirp That's not what he said......He said the support ends.....
Nobody:
Windows 10: We've got an update for ya! Restarting... NOW!
Nobody:
Windows 10: UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW UPDATE NOW
i've been using windows 10 for almost 1 year now. no forced restarts. i wouldn't thing it even updates if i didn't see the update and shutdown option when i shutdown my pc
@@shmubogdan9624 windows has never EVER forced me to restart to, It does force me to install one if it was already downloaded when I go turn off the pc, but if it just downloaded I am not forced to restart until I want to
@@shmubogdan9624 Same
Damm the Update Restart notifcation poped out just now
I switched to Linux years ago. Never regretted it.....
Which one do you use?
Best idea, you are smart man.
And I'm sure that's just fine for office work, but some of us like to game on bare metal 😁.
I am envious though, because I always liked the idea of command line interfacing. (YES, I know Linux features fully functional GUIs, but you can also grab files, updates, drivers, etc. via CLI)
@@HazyJ28 actually game on this rig too, and moat games I like works on Linux nowadays so.. Once in a while I run into a game that doesn't work, but then I can run it in a vm so....
Same Here... Zorrin
Microsoft: Windows 10 is the last version of Windows
Windows 11: Not so fast......
thats why i left windows many yrs ago you dont find these problems with linux... switched yrs ago! dont give a DARN about windows!
Windows: Exists
Everyone: God damnit I'm switching to Linux and you should too!
Hey, Linux has a lot of perks. With modern distros, you can find user-friendly/noob-friendly distros that are very likely to run on your hardware. Distrowatch is a good place to look.
@Tsepeto Si Microsoft and Apple have tons of money to throw at development while Linux tends to be VOLUNTEER developers who don't get paid or get paid far less than the above mentioned developers. Of course it's going to be less refined. However, Linux is far more capable than Windows. The learning curve is steeper than for Windows, but using that as an excuse makes you appear too stupid to learn new things. "Oh the command line is hard", yes it is in the beginning. Everything new is hard. A huge benefit of Linux is the increased security and stability. It's hard to crash Linux. It's easy to crash Windows.
@@NotSoCrazyNinja what is a video game
@@bisterkding9249 What is Wine, what is an emulator, what is open source games, what is opengl.
@@NotSoCrazyNinja What is constant patching, tweaking and file probing just to arrive at sub-optimal performance, if it can even be run. Man oh man, what is it with people just being too stupid to learn new ways of wasting their time.
I still on 16299 and windows never bothers me with updates!
What is this sorcery?
Windows Update Blocker
Oh, so you like making your computer vulnerable
@@sundhaug92 A person who seeks out things like this is also likely a person who can handle vulnerabilities on their own.
@@sundhaug92 the thing is, it's going to be vulnerable no matter what. No amount of windows updates will fix everything. That's what halfway decent antivirus software is for.
sundhaug92 its not like he installs limewire just for no reason. Common sense is all it takes.
@@InfernosReaper Ablosutely no. Antiviruses are garbage and installing updates is the most importat thing to keep software safe
The problem for me, is that I have an old laptop dedicated to serving as a wifi hotspot. It is permanently switched on, and runs a program which loops the action of ensuring that the connection doesn't drop. However, this very simple task cannot be performed because update messages, and eventually the update itself, keep interrupting the cycle.
Windows 10 is still shit. I even had a better experience with Vista...
Still? Windows 10 was a very good OS when it came out but since 2017 it is becoming incredibly annoying and yes, shit.
@@HeavenlyWarrior Yeah atleast for me it was shit from the second I updated from Windows 7. I'm not sure why I never went back to 7 but it's a little late now.
@@worstenbroodje6832 Yeah, you should have stayed with Windows 7 despite looking very old and outdated, but I think you can reverse the update, there are some websites that talk about that.
@@HeavenlyWarrior True but it's going to die in a year anyway so I'm not gonna do that anymore. I don't even mind the look of Windows 7. I only updated to 10 because it was a free upgrade that was only available for a short time and had DirectX12 support so I didn't want to get stuck on 7. I also did it to be able to play the Xbox games that released to Windows but looking back I wish I just stayed on Windows 7.
Moral of the story: never trust Microsoft.
@@worstenbroodje6832 Yes, never trust Microsoft.
I have an old computer that only runs Windows XP and it's connected to the internet and yet I have no problems, although it's true I only turn it on like 5 times in a year.
What I mean is that Windows 7 will not die and it is unlikely you would have any issues without security updates if you have a good anti-virus and firewall, although I'm not an expert to conclude that there's no problem.
Just imagine if they released a Windows 11 and got everyone to upgrade to it people would lose their minds! 😂 (I still miss Windows 7).
Windows 7 was ok with a lot of modifications. Windows 10 is hopeless.
they should've made Windows 7+
I still use Windows 7.
me too my friend , i love win7
Well, there is a Windows 11 now
Well, it keeps a few of my business clients calling me back to fix the damage all these updates cause, so wtf. Keep updating, Billy!
Not to mention the recent update breaks the start menu, search as well as audio. I cant use a os that is always buggy and not stable. Because now if theres a problem is it my hardware acting up or windows 10? And ontop of this MS knew about the 30% to 40% constant cpu usage from cortona and they still released it and forced people to update to it. So until win10 becomes stable im sticking to win 7 as long as i can and if i have to ill upgrade to 8.1. Hopefully when 8.1 extended support ends MS would finally get a grip on Windows 10...
Debian based Linux distributions saved me from MS Windows. Now Windows is a secondary OS which I run once a month.
That "once a month" is about the worst amount you can use windows. Every time you run it, it has an update.
@@Barteks2x exactly. But sometimes I need windows ... Thankfully it's rarely
I just decided to trash windows a couple of weeks ago, I haven’t booted on it for the past 6 months and the update situation was so horrible that I just gave up... It’s not as if I used it for much anyway... the only software I miss is paint, haven’t found a good simple and fast alternative on linux...
@@celivalg man anyway good move. I'm so happy with Linux. It's clear that Linux is created by people for people and not by company seeking profit from people. ;-)
Wine tends cause lag and framedrops when you try and play games with it (that's what happened last time I used Linux anyway)
Is it time to linux ?
edit: and linus says "unless you go linux" as I am writing that.
No one cares.
I changed my settings in Windows 10 to say I have metered internet. The only update prompt I get now is from Windows Defender.
Service-based economy is thhe worst thing that could have happened to computers and the internet.