Why The End of WINDOWS 10 Could Be a Huge Problem
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2024
- Windows 10 has officially entered the final stage of its life cycle, and now that the end of the road is on the horizon, the community is becoming increasingly vocal about legitimate concerns.
Given the current state of affairs, all the signs seem to be pointing in one undesirable direction.
Should Microsoft stick to its current plan, the consequences of Windows 10’s discontinuation could turn out to be unacceptably significant.
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Microsoft is working really hard to make Linux more attractive
That's a tall order. Linux is hobbyware.
@@raylopez99 - Windows is leading the race to the bottom of that category.
@@raylopez99 Right now you're right, but that could change soon as linux is starting to get more attention now that valve has made their move with steam deck. It always starts small then builds up and gains momentum.
Linux desktop was a hobbyware.
It's now a good productive-ware (unless if you're a musician, then pick apple)
@@raylopez99 - It was once, but very much isn't anymore, Linux systems have been evolving very rapidly and been gaining a lot of support from third party developers.
The dumbest part is that windows 11 can easily run on VERY old hardware with a simple workaround. The barriers they're putting in place are purely artificial.
Then it's not dumb but malicious.
they are just gaslighting everyone including hardware manufacturers to buy and make more expensive and powerful hardware so that they can add more bloatware and background spyware that the user will never notice........
But as he said in the video, that would only work for people who were quite clear with windows. We typical user probably wouldn’t know how to do that. Will probably also be possible for somebody who had a bit of knowledge to patch. Windows tend to keep it running just like people have done with XP. But the problem still remains that the uneducated user would struggle. And that could be majority.
@BuildTheFutureYouWant and then they come back and sue you because they hate windows 11 lol
well Micorsoft caught up and made windows 11 on those machines having a permanent watermark saying PC not compatible and stops windows updates. That is very malicious of them. Especially when you can test that windows 11 is working just fine on the old PCs. Even an old i7 3770k Ivy Bridge CPU,
@0:26
I think that was extremely thoughtful of the creator of this video to mention that this video could mostly be simply listened to in audio.
Even so, it is apparent that there was a lot of care and effort taken in editing the visual aspects of the video as well.
legit lol it would be rude to not watch this well edited video
Exactly now I can try to fall asleep while listening
@@phoqueme you mean video generated by AI
Thank you I was about to say the same, earned them a subscription.
Been using Windows 11 at work for a few months now and it's just frustrating to use. So many features have been removed or made harder to find, and it's really tough to work with. Apart from "pretty" rounded corners on Windows I haven't seen a single thing in Windows 11 that is an improvement on Windows 10.
Win+S then type what you need.
MS is a demonic company
The only annoyance with Windows 11 was the search to web suggestion stuff which was easily disabled with a registry key. After that it seems to have made my system run a lot faster. The inability to restore the classic start menu without 3rd party programs is a bit irritating at first but to be frank, I never used the start menu to click to start a program, I only ever hit Windows and typed what I wanted, boom there it is.
I dunno I may be an outlier here but windows 11 hasn't frustrated me beyond the start menu.
mspaint has layers and i heard ai pretty soon
what is it that you want that went missing? maybe i can help you out. there are lots of things you can bring back by simply editing the registry. for example, i prefer the old photo viewer to the new photos app and all i had to do was edit the registry to bring it back.
Windows 10 was originally supposed to be the "last" version of Windows and I wish Microsoft had stuck with that.
Well, it will be last for me xD
I don't. If Microsoft had stuck with that then we wouldn't have the same Windows 10 we have now, we'd have Windows 11 but it would be called Windows 10. Windows 11 would have been just another update to Windows 10 and we'd all be stuck with it.
Yea, especially since windows 11 is basically a slightly changed version of 10
@@BGTech1 win11 interface sucks
It felt like a marketing ploy to me.
This HAS to be an inside deal between Microsoft and device manufacturers. Laptop and PC makers have experienced declining profits as the performance of new devices is just so good that some people aren't updating for years. By making millions of PCs unable to upgrade to W11, the consumers have to buy new ones, which increases profits of device manufacturers
But... and correct me if I am wrong... The feature that prevents us from running windows 11... isn't the feature we're missing the same feature that will make it impossible to ever run anything BUT windows in the future? I remember seeing articles about this before windows 10 was released claiming it was going to be integrated into bios support that would, after the installation of windows, prevent you from ever installing any other OS. This is why so many people were up in arms when MicroSHAFT started auto-installing windows 10 as if it was just a software update. In my opinion our "missing feature" is a highly undesirable feature and I am delighted to not have it.
Covid was a massive sales boost.
Every single new windows 11 requirement is just about security. All about security. Secure boot, TPM, new CPUs required because, security. Security, security, security.
They're pulling an Apple on people
@@theilluminatimember8896 its worst than apple, I've used my old macbook white with modern and previous versions of osx ,with support ,for a excess of a decade
What I don't like is for the past few years M$ has started using their entire user base as a massive beta tester unit. Unlike before Win 7 when they would test it first, then release it when it was stable and useful. Also I wish they would release new versions of windows with all the options turned off, so you only have to turn on the ones you need or want instead of searching dozens of windows, back alleys and garbage cans to find the switch you want off.
Linux fucking sucks@lindenreaper8683
Windows has become a FREE from 10, everyone has become THE PRODUCT that provides income for MS, so to speak. If that is not clear by now, they have clearly been sleeping under a giant sequoia!!
It may be acceptable to release beta versions for users to try out and help Microsoft test; but, as you brought out, they shouldn't be releasing unpolished versions as alpha versions that are actually beta versions they're forcing us to test.
I'm learning about Linux distros right now, in preparation for leaving the Windows environment entirely. I think it will be a bit of a pain, but probably will be better in the long run. But major software developers need to begin porting their products to Linux soon, because otherwise, people like myself will have no choice but to stop using their products when they stop using Windows.
might be different for you but for me it was only a week of mild headaches learning about the quirks of linux, it was like learning windows as a kid
I'm the guy that people I know come to when they have computer issues (usually against my will), and I have a habit of installing Linux Mint if their Windows install has gone FUBAR or their HD has crashed. Funny thing is that most of them can never even tell the difference since all they use is a web browser and a word processor. I'd only ever recommend Windows for young people who are into a lot of different online games, and then only a very debloated W11 install without a MS account.
Exactly this. The utter dominance of Windows needs to end!
I have a linux system as well as windows 10 and 11. Linux would be great if it had support for windows based games without having to download special software. I went from windows 11 to windows 10 because windows 11 is so intrusive and best thing about 10 so far for me is that ad blocker works so good I don't get any pop ups or adverts whatsoever ! :)
Apple...
Unless something changes, Win 10 will be my last Microsoft OS. Even the TPM requirement aside, MS just continues to be more and more user hostile.
Right? I don't understand it either. Windows 7 was the last great OS IMHO. Heck I use it even now and its fast and doesn't do anything behind my back! I have never had to worry that randomly something will stop working because of an update.
@@jackkraken3888 I've been reluctant to move over, mainly because of familiarity and fear.
@@RussellFlowers I completely understand. Even I will likely not move over. Heck my current pc is actually quite old but I don't have the budget to move over and perhaps more importantly I don't see a single reason to move over. Not a single thing I have heard regarding windows 11 makes want to move. Running android apps is cool and all but it's just not enough and no rounded edges on my windows will not make be buy a new PC!
It is my last.
@@RussellFlowers You really don't need to be afraid of switching over to linux, it is entirely possible to install a linux distro onto an external USB drive so you can test it out and make sure it does what you want before you remove windows and install the new OS onto your system's main drive. If you want the system to feel familiar, I recommend picking a distro using KDE for the desktop environment, the layout and placement of options is very similar to windows, but it has more options to make some tasks easier.
Microsoft is working hard to get in trouble again for monopolistic practices. They seem to think that everyone can afford to purchase new hardware.
That is not a monopoly ... that is like saying Ferrari cars are a monopoly because you can not afford one.
@@ntal5859 You're kinda missing the point.
In Windows 11, they have been more forcefully trying to make users use Edge as the default browser for example.
In the end, it's probably going to bit them a bit. As for myself, I'm gonna switch to Linux.
@@ntal5859except instead of a Ferrari you could get a Volvo, a Hyundai, etcetera etcetera. For the average user there are no options besides Windows.
@@Nurse_Xochitl I run Windows 11 daily on two machines, the only time I get prompted if I want to use Edge as my default are the few times I use it as a chromium backup for when websites don't want to properly support Firefox. And even then, it's not more intrusive than any other browser's "make me the default" nonsense.
Windows 11 still has a ways to go, but it's certainly a lot better than what people who don't use Windows 11 think it is. It takes no time at all to clean up some of the new nonsense, and they're still making improvements with each update. I almost never need the old context menu anymore. I thought it'd be a hassle to have both, but the fact that Windows 11 has such a good integration with the new Windows Terminal means I never really need the old context menu. Also Windows 11 is finally working towards making Bluetooth headphones not suck, so that's nice.
In today's market, buying new hardware is like buying today's vehicles. A 2023/2024 Ford F series cost $85k to 100K! No, this is not a mistake in my typing!
I strongly prefer Win 10 over Win 11. It's not just older hardware not meeting Win 11's requirements, it's the fact that Win 11 requires more key strokes to accomplish what Win 10 did with fewer key strokes, and Win 11 does not bring any capabilities that Win 10 didn't already have. Microsoft is trying to push us all into a subscription model. Take Office 365 for example. If Win 12 is subscription based like Office 365, then I'm going to Linux. By the way, Linux has several distributions that already resemble Windows, like Linux Mint and Zorin, and are free downloads. They still have a few shortcomings compared to Windows, but the gap has narrowed considerably. If Microsoft doesn't fix this mess, they may lose a big chunk of their customer base.
That's the thing. Windows keeps getting more insulting over time, while the Linux options keep getting more convenient. I still run Win 10 on my main computer, but I've got a side machine running Mint, and it feel way less janky now than it did just a few years ago. The only things that stop me from abandoning Windows quite yet are some lingering software compatibility problems.
Better still, there have been cases where hardware compatibility was way more frictionless on the Linux machine. Especially for old, semi-obscure peripherals. I remember searching quite hard for a Linux compatible PS3 controller driver, only to find that it was already plug and play. No faffing about with SCP Toolkit like I accustomed to or anything like that. I just plugged in the controller and it worked flawlessly right away.
I'm feeling pretty confident that 10 is the last Windows I'll ever put up with. On my own computer anyway.
@@andyasbestos I agree with you. The first time I tried Linux Mint it was awful. (from the viewpoint of a Windows user) This latest time, the only sticking point was the need to input Terminal commands to install drivers for added hardware like a USB wi-fi adapter that I wanted to add, but Linux didn't recognize it. I also had to use the Terminal to install the Brave browser. But current Linux distributions are way better than a few years ago and if future distributions decrease the need for users to use the Terminal command line, and Microsoft continues to screw up Windows, then I think you will see a mass migration to Linux.
I use Google Docs instead of Microsoft Office now. More efficient that way and I don't need a subscription
@@IABITVpresents I'm using LibreOffice. I was using MS Office, but they cancelled my activation when I rebuilt the computer, and I didn't want to pay for another product key.
You can still buy many old Office-versions on a perpetual license for 25$ if you look the right places. I think I run Office 2019, and it's just fine with me.
If this leads to an unnecessary increase in e-waste, then it's definitely a very bad move.
The fact that the hardware restriction for windows 11 is mostly artifical is the cherry on top.
If it leads more people to try alternatives however, I'm all fine with that.
The type of person that can't or that doesn't want to buy new hardware for windows 11/12 support might very well just be better off running something like Ubuntu. It's more lightweight than Windows, you can do anything on it such a person would do otherwise on windows (except maybe play certain games), but most importantly their hardware will probably be supported for longer than it's expected/reasonable lifetime.
Very true. Only problem for me is that no Linux distribution runs the software I use everyday for my work.
@@DavidHillVideo Wine (a compatibility layer allowing you to run a lot of windows applications on Linux) might do the trick for you.. depending on which software you need. it might be worth investigating if you feel you're interested enough. :)
@@ayporos all are sayin about ecology, but noone cares that 50% or more hardware will be taken out to the trash. I will maybe use zorin os (linux) . talking about people who are "ruling" this world is no annoying. I hope God will finally will give them for what they deserve to
I suggest rebranding Windows 11 as a higher-end version of 10, and letting Windows 10 still be updated. Didn't they once call 10 "the last version of Windows"?
Yeah they did. That statement aged horribly.
THATS WHAT IM SAYIN'! they promised windows 10 was it. this update is artificial. we dont need windows 11. im running windows 11 right now but i dont need it. it runs like 10. i hope they change their roadmap to keep windows 10.
@@mrjkr4945 They better. Because Windows 10 is significantly better than Windows 11.
Yes they did! False advertising?
Windows 11 originally was gonna be a windows 10 update but they decided they hate sticking to their word and made it a new version entirely
Microsoft trying to not be anti-consumer challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
Apple, Google, and Amazon aren't any better though...
@@cameronbosch1213 GNU/Linux based OSs are tho
legit lol
@@RemsHusband Of course. Heck, even Ubuntu's Amazon drama was still MILES better than the modern spyware & adware that is Windows 11!
Gamepass is very pro-consumer.
The differences between Vista and 11 are significant: a. 11 has hard requirements, Vista just benefited from performance to be smooth to use. b. Non-gaming and non-workstation users can run a decent Windows 10 experience with ancient hardware, since their requirements aren't really growing anymore. I have multiple family members who are perfectly fine with first gen Core i or similar. The only thing that is really noticable for basic users is
Machines at my work are on XP so you're not wrong
Exactly! I'm running Win 10 on several third generation Core i3 and i5 laptops with SSDs and they do everything I need. The SSDs made a giant difference, RAM I'm not so sure about - they all only have 4 GB and I haven't really had any problems. That alone is an amazing thing - in the heydays of Windows XP a ten-year-old PC would have been a 486 or Pentium I, maybe even a 386. Just imagine running XP and current apps on that! Shows that the development of hardware has slowed down quite a bit since the 90s and early 2000s when a computer was basically outdated the second you carried it out of the store.
My work place has a bunch of hardware bought new in 2018 and as far as I know most of it doesn't meet Win 11 requirements (Lenovo Thinkpads and Think Centers). Sure, computer hardware is officially fully depreciated after five years but not being a regular business (let's say the government is indirectly involved and we're somewhat non-profit) getting a budget for new equipment is challenging to put it mildly. We'd love to switch to Linux but we run a bunch of expensive peripherals that require proprietary software, some of which is only available for Windows, some also for Mac OS.
@@dreaper5813 Eh, we're talking professional production equipment in four to mid five-digit price ranges, not some random supermarket stuff. Equipment that was purchased before I even started working at that place, decisions I had absolutely no control over but equipment we can't simply replace just because we don't like the OS that's needed to run the software.
Yup, my 70yo father still uses a Dell laptop made in 2010. It originally had W7, and I thought that it won't be able to be updated to W10 when M$ ended support for W7, but to my surprise, it was. Runs Windows 10 and is used by my dad daily to this very day. It's enough for his needs: browsing, Word documents, PDF files, paying bills and housing Bitdefender Internet Security, just in case.
And now, even my much newer PC is not good enough for Windows 11. 😕
I am pretty certain they will end up extending it near the end. They are simply creating the sense of urgency to speed up the transition process.
@lindenreaper8683 honestly, yeah. It kinda does. No imbedded ads in the os, no unreasonably high system requirements, no constant spying. All great things; I just wish there was better support for games with EAC and BattlEye
retrobar and openshell have kept my windows 10 experience almost completely untainted, minus the OneDrive icon always sitting there in the file manager.
thank god I never upgraded to 11 despite meeting requirements legitimately
The craziest thing to me about this whole situation is how Kaby lake processors (7000 series) were only supported on A SINGLE VERSION OF WINDOWS. Microsoft purposefully locked those processors out of receiving updates on Windows 7 and 8 in an effort to move users to Windows 10, and then turned around and decided they weren't good enough to run Windows 11 despite supporting all the features necessary.
It's wild that a CPU released in 2018 and still sold until 2020 (e.g. the i3 7020U) would be obsolete by the year 2025. That is in the worst case 5 years of use before you are forced to upgrade if you want to keep using Windows.
I have kaby lake laptop. It runs Linux effortlessly.
There are pentium 4's that have the nessecary cpu instructions for Windows 11, and are even cabable of running it. Can't believe even CPUs from laptops that are still under warranty "can't" run Windows 11.
@@moki5796 huh lol dont forget linux exists.
@@kornelobajdin5889 Reading comprehension is hard
The difference between Vista and 11 in this comparison is that the overhead on 11 is the same as 10, and the hardware limits in place are artificial rather than performance related
Maybe Vista would had better start if 64bit XP came sooner than in 2005 and won't be limited to Professional.
The limits are based on hardware security features, like SecureBoot, TPM2 and Meltdown protection.
@@Valery0p5 my computers both support those but those cpus arent on the list of supported cpus anyway.
Its stupid.
I installed win11 on over 15 year old machine and it runs fine, just a little laggy. I just skipped the hardware compatibility test lol.
@@Valery0p5 hardware security aka you don't own or have control over your computer.
While legitimate threats the majority of users only experience with the relevant security is scammers trying to convince them to pay up for a hijack hoax email
@@Valery0p5 And "that security features" is demostrated to be trash garbage easy to acces that has a lot of bugs LOL
And that is not all to the upgrade story. Win 11 newer versions like 22H2 simply have separate compatible processor list so even if you have a compatible PC and made a jump to 11. There are still high chances that your machine could be abandoned in any next upgrade.
Only logical solution is to move to a Linux distro like Mint, Zorin or Ubuntu.
Linux isn’t solution for many mainstream consumer.
@@HarpreetSingh-xg2zmdepends on the software you need if it has Linux suport switching is no issue
@@HarpreetSingh-xg2zmsadly yeah, average consumers are not really used to Terminal based Operating systems like linux distros.
@@user-eq5zo6fn7s No insult intended, but that's just not a true statement. Current versions of linux can be maintained without ever opening a terminal window. I have converted several (9) Windows user to linux with the promise of support and, with very few exceptions, have not had more than a few calls. To a person, they were thrilled when they discovered that the software they wanted cost them nothing!
I remember Vista. Though, I was a bit of a gamer at the time so I tended to have more memory in my machines. I feel Vista had so much going on in the background because it was bloated with all the features people wanted and there wasn't yet a way to turn off or disable features. Windows 7 trimmed the fat, while Windows 8 experimented with the "App" system for feature management.
Windows 7 was the best, God I miss it
The extra hardware requirement for Windows 11 is a huge pain.
They can be bypassed.
@@FlyboyHelosim : The CPU requirements can be bypassed. The BIOS security requirements cannot. And I'm running on a 2012 desktop PC whose BIOS can't be made compatible.
@@rogermwilcox How come people are installing it on machines that don't meet the hardware requirements then... both real and virtual... myself included?
cant i just stick with Win 10 after October 2025, and just make sure i have my browsers up to date, and virus protection enabled?
@@Defender78 Yes. I'm still on Windows 7, with no problems relating to security.
Going from shoving updates down our throats when least expected to pulling the rug out from under us. Brilliant customer relations policies!
LOW IQ. Hence the interest in AI
@enrique amaya Why, does he do a kick ass Linux distro?
@@wisteela Woudl that distro be called JesOS?
@@IzzyIkigai It's actually TempleOS
They didn't shove updates, it's just you as user don't know that you can turn off the automatic restart
thank you for the audio support, i like consuming videos while biking to work and your videos are always lovely :)
I switched to Debian linux in 2005 and never looked back. Sure, there was a learning curve (pretty steep back then). I also went through the zealot/fanboi stage for awhile, but quickly realized that everyone has to find their own path to salvation.
i would love to switch to linux but a few of the games i play daily aren't supported. it seems like not everyone can switch unfortunately, especially if they game a lot.
The point of a computer is to play games so I don't care at all about linux
@@AR15andGOD I literally have over 500 games on steam and 250 on gog and I have yet to find any that won't run for me, from MDK to Sekiro to Doom (GZDoom, DOSBox or Eternal), Terraria, the Bard's Tale Trilogy, everything works no problem through steam or heroic launcher. Using proton is as easy as installing drivers.
@@lindenreaper8683then what the hell are you responding the comment , you sure like to waste times
In my eyes, it's a catastrophic environmental disaster. Especially considering how many people managed to run Windows 11 successfully on older machines, it feels really crazy to have an artificial limitation on the minimum requirements.
Apple is a shitty company under many points of view, but they support their hardware for a really long time.
i mean they let their hardware run on newer software but also planned obsolesence soo
There isn't even an alternative version you could install for older hardware. Like a Windows Lite that keeps getting updates, but doesn't look as fancy as the "glassy" and "fluid" Windows 11. There doesn't seem like there's any other option than using Linux, which works great for me, but may not be for everyone.
@@fabiandrinksmilk6205 i have never used Linux yet, but from what i hear, it is very quickly becoming more and more simple with GUIs for everything instead of so much terminal use, as well as support and compatibility improvements to things like "Wine" i believe it's called, as well as proton and whatever other amazing compatibility tools exist.
also other things like DirectX to Vulkan which can even sometimes have even greater performance than Windows are incredible. a future of Linux seems very possible, even for "normies" as they say. i really want to switch to Linux, but i think i want to wait maybe 1 or so more years to see how much more compatibility improves with games and programs i use.
so far, a vast majority of what i need to use is already supported on Linux natively, so i don't think it will be much longer before i make the switch. the only thing really stopping me is the unforeseen concern that something i might need to use won't work, but i understand and count on the fact that support grows every day and this has became less of an issue over the years
They don't care about the environmental impact, they care about the possibility of making more money.
Running an OS successfully does not equate to optimally.
Sooner or later, one will encounter compatibility issues with things such as if a TMP 2.0 only feature is requested and a TMP 1.2 cannot produce the neccesary results.... well.
My biggest problem with windows 11 is that it values form over function (and even then, i prefer the 10 look). It falls into that hole a loads of companies fall into, where they strip out functionality (or hide it between layers of stuff) in the name of "simplicity", with the only result that anything other than moving documents around becomes harder and muuch more frustrating to do than what it would be with a basic interface in the first place.
I prefer Windows 7, everything after that is getting worse.
This is why my foray into Linux Mint, that started 5 years ago, might come in handy. On top of that I am rocking a super simple desktop environment (basically a UI), that looks like straight from early 2000s - it's called XFCE and I love it.
It really doesn't even value form, in many ways, the UI is still unfinished and, in my opinion, more ugly.
Just give me win2k with the true windows improvements and I'd be happy.
@@chaos.corner win2k is the most barebones skeleton of windows and its annoying they dont support this absolute dinosaur anymore. It has all you need and no BS, its lightweight and can run on anything. I wish they kept supporting it and updating it as a superlight version for hardcore superusers like how linux works but its clearly not what MS does.
Been a Windows user for the past 14 years and just switched to Debian 12 recently. I'm loving it ❤
It blows my mind to have a computer that is technically fully fitting the system requirements, but it's telling me it's not compatible on a technicality because of the processor being one generation "too old" as if it's not still an i7 at the end of the day. I honestly want the EU to push on Windows for essentially trying to force planned obsolescence on people with computers that are 5 years old tops. How is Unreal Engine capable of running on my computer, but not Windows 11 ffs (not that I want it)?
I had never seen someone say ''you can listen to this video if you have something else to do''. That's very nice, i like it. I would love to see other youtubers do things like this.
Yes very refreshing. I liked that too.
Yeah, this is the first time I’ve seen anyone do that. It surprised me
Agreed, super cool!
And on top of that, his video clips are not all from a video stock, unlike MANY TH-cam channels. The simple but efficient video clip with the XP timeline is clearly original.
I'm totally blind and can already play this video through FooBar2000's Foo_TH-cam component.
Great for videos I wanna listen to on repeat - or in a playlist.
After begrudgingly making the switch from Windows XP to Windows 7 and after, equally begrudgingly, making the switch from Windows 7 to Windows 10, I will happily make the switch from Windows 10 to Linux. Thanks Microsoft 👍
Yeah, but 7 didn't suck as much as 10 or 11. I distinctly remember switching to 7 and even the same kinda crap hardware gave me a decent performance boost. Win10 was starting to be spyware, win11 is.
True, I also found Windows 10 to be too bloated, so I never upgraded. Some of my machines are on Windows 7 (a perfectly good operating system), but behind NAT and firewalls.
But that's Okay, for all my machines primarily run Linux, having started the transition during pre XP SP2 days, and finishing by Vista.
I do remember how terrible the original pre SP2 XP was.
That's exactly how I felt as well. Though I'm still dragging my feet on Linux because I play a lot of obscure video games that are a bit of an asspain to get working properly in Linux, if the games even work properly at all. At this point, since I play single player only anyway for all my games on PC, I plan on having a dedicated offline machine running W10, and using my main machine for work related stuff on Linux (while also getting games to work on that that will.
@@malice5121 I had a similar issue, Give Lutris a try, it isn't perfect but it works really well for nearly every game I've tried it on.
@@calvinbarnes1721 Meanwhile I've been testing the waters moving over to Linux (and using Lutris) and the very first game I tried wouldn't install properly using a standard GOG installer with Lutris. It took getting a custom written wrapper from the GOG forums to make it work and now Lutris won't detect it.
Just my anecdote of a poor start and Steam (on the 5th game I tried using Proton) was similarly affected.
I love that little information at the beginning "can be consumed in audio from"❤
2:26 - What ironic is, even in 2024 (23 years later) Windows XP still being used in more computer than Vista and 8 (Two Successor after XP)
I would still be using 7 if it weren't for most programs not working on it anymore
Microsoft is doing a great job at advertising Linux
LMAO this ^
agreed. I swapped over to Linux Mint myself. It was just time to move on from MS.
@@stevekidd6319 me too. Windows 10 was the last Windows for me. It was alright after I tore out the privacy and telemetry stuff.
And then came Windows 11, and i decided to finally move to Linux. I've been using Manjaro for a couple of months now, and I'm very pleased. But I would lie if I said I haven't needed the terminal a few times.
I only just said this makes me want to switch lol.
@@powerdude_dk the "terminal is complex :(" argument is null and void when you consider the fact that if you use just a little bit of semi advanced software, youll run into the command prompt / powershell, windows equivalents to the terminal
Although my only experience with Windows 11 is when I'm sometimes using my friend's pc, I personally think that Microsoft made it too simplistic and just more tedious for users like me to tinker with more advanced functions by hiding them or making them otherwise hard to access.
Exactly! I use it for work and I'm picky enough that this stuff genuinely negatively impacts my workflow. I used to use fancyzones on 10; they implemented SOME of its functionality on 11, but huge chunks of it are missing and it sucks! Also, alt+tab randomly stops working sometimes?? It's like the painted-on facade of an operating system in front of a brick wall & somehow you need fancy new hardware to run it... the cost/benefit analysis is NOT looking good.
this ^^
EXACTLY! It does not let tech nerds go crazy
I like windows 10 pro functionality but I like windows 11 UI
@@StrikeEagIe Personally I don't like the smoothines of that ui, as well as the Taskbar being centered
09:08 I bought my Sony VAIO E-series in 2011 with Windows 7. I got it upgraded progressively through 8, 8.1 and 10. Now, the only criteria failing to get upgraded to 11, is the TPM support. I guess i'm moving to Linux now. Any suggestions (for casual browsing only - emails, streaming)? 😄
everyone recommends linux mint, though i've been having trouble verifying the files
I think ubuntu is one of the best user friendly Linux distro out there with every Linux app available in it.
I appreciated the heads up, letting me know i could listen and not watch. You’ve a new subscriber👍🏻
100% agree - they should extend the life of Win10, you nailed the parallel between XP and Win10 - they should treat it the same. Not a perfect solution, but much more reasonable than just dropping support on that many users.
I don't think that'll change anything. Windows 10 is simply lighter and better and most softwares just work in Windows 10. You can't even play Valorant in Windows 11 without the TPM. To be honest releasing 11 was the worst move they could have done.
@@skelebro9999if you mess with the registry, it'll change back to windows 10, windows 11 is windows 10 as disguise
@@royalkumar795 lmao 😂
@@royalkumar795how come so many games that work on win 10 don't on 11, is it just some small line of code that prevents it from running or running terrible?
@@XX-_-XX420 is it actually many games? Im both a retro and modern gamer and i dont see any issues. I understand that Valorant requires tpm thanks to its invasive kernel level driver, but it's a unique case
Good guy Microsoft, trying their best to make other systems like Linux more widespread.
Jesus is embarrassing.
@enrique amaya mircosoft decided to follow jesus and spread the good word of other OS
with the amount of games that are not supported on linux: eh...
@@GEB_Rosee_PPS It keeps getting better though. Lknux Mint, Wine and Proton can play a vast majority of titles
@@GEB_Rosee_PPS ever heard about Proton
I was an early adopter of windows 11 and i do not know how i put up with it for a year. It ran really slow, and the random visual effects didnt justify it. At one point i just got the windows 10 media creation tool to install 10, and i couldnt be happier with windows 10
@lindenreaper8683 I was considering that, but I have gotten really comfortable with a Windows environment to switch to a completely different os like Mac or Linux. I might consider trying something like that with a VM, though. The bloat lack you mentioned does look appealing.
Reportedly as of April 2024 there is a plan for MS to charge Win 10 users to extend security support - something like $60 1st year, $120 second year, $240 third year. This could be in response to a concern you raise.
I think the requirements for Win11 is ridiculous personally. It's making Linux options a lot more attractive, especially with the success of things like the Steam deck.
Unfortunately, Microsoft know that they have the overwhelming upper hand - unless at least 70% of current Microsoft users are willing to dump all productivitiy software, game software, and and other software, Microsoft will be the driving force among home computers. Most computer professionals recognize that the learning curve for Linux replacements are just too high to expect that they will be any significannt threat to MS's dominance
@@michaelphillips8238 you hit the nail on the head. The end result of Microsoft having a bad version of Windows is people retreating back to older versions, security problems and all. Windows offers cohesion and a standardized experience. Linux systems vary wildly between distros. I can talk someone through fixing basic issues in Windows. I'm going to shoot the computer if I have to talk a 76 year old into diagnosing ALSA issues in the CLI in Linux because an update broke it
@@michaelphillips8238 that won't be the case forever, linux is finally gaining some mainstream use.
Linux and arm based operating systems are going to take a decent chunk of market share from Microsoft.
@@foodhatesme I just don't think the marketshare gained by Linux will be as large or have as much impact as you hope for - I hate to say it, but I have heard that exact statement made for literally the last 20+ years. Microsoft also has a huge advantage in all of the huge businesses that use the OS for the business applications that are written for it, not to mention an overarching network management system like Active Directory. While Linux has made tremendous strides in those areas, it is still a game of catch-up for the OS.
I bought a steam deck because its Linux with SteamOS.
I think it’s interesting that Apple stayed on OS X (10) for years and just made incremental updates to it. And later, Microsoft decided to make Windows 10 the “last version of windows” and just make incremental updates to it. Then Apple released macOS 11 in 2020 and Microsoft released Windows 11 a year later.
In fairness, for Apple it was more of a branding decision (owning the X) and the point updates were often bigger than full version updates are now, for better or worse.
@@chevon5707 Of course it’s a branding decision. It’s just as much a branding decision for Microsoft
It's because M$, even with their dominance in the desktop os market, shit their pants when Apple does something, because they know that Windows is dog shit.
It's difficult to sell a new version of software when the version number stays the same
@@Noksus Tell that to Apple
Vista was stunning with the glass panels, just it took forever to run everything. However if you run Win 11 on a core I3 to I7 it runs very quick. There are lots videos on YT how to upgrade to 11 with a work around, and then if an update may break it because of unsupported hardware - just have a restore point or image ready and then hide the update with the hide tool. Disclaimer - do so at your own risk.
im having vst problems with windows 11 some of the roland software wont run on windows 11
Valve has done a lot to improve gaming compatibility on Linux. Honestly, gaming was the biggest of a very, very short list of issues that kept me from switching away from Windows in the past.
Same here. It's the games for me and they have to run smooth. Otherwise I would just switch over to Linux. Linux is getting there but it's still too much for your average user to work with. Think of the average user as someone who uses Apple products. They just want to plug it in and have it work. No fuss, no hassle.
Same, now i guess i'll switch to linux permanently, no way i'm installing windows 11 to use.
True its time to invest in something usefull for once
@@RKDriver I'm a linux user. Is it harder to get games to work? Yes fuck yes fuck yes yes yes. Does it work without a real performance cap yes. Unless your killing your pc with something like Cyberpunk 2077 it will work just fine
For me it's games and Adobe, I've tried it before but having to work with virtual machines and adding a dedicated gpu for a gaming virtual machine is just too much of a hassle to switch
I work for a small business that runs a little call centre, and in the last 22 months, they finally upgraded their computers from Core2Duo machines to a nice suite of Ex-Lease HP mini PCs. Alas, they're all Skylake boxes and so unsupported by Win11, but that's all the company could afford. We're now looking at rebuilding our systems so that we don't have to use Windows at all because of the end of support for Win10. Windows 11's arbitrary requirements are a big middle finger to consumers, small businesses, and most of all the environment with its e-waste generating requirements.
Exactly! I'm starting a business in my area to switch computers over to Linux. It seems everyone is annoyed at the e-waste issue from the end of windows 10 support.
I've been 100% Linux for the past 5 years and dual booting since 2006. Linux has made HUGE improvements in that time. Gaming is actually viable on Linux now, thanks to Valve and Codeweavers. Only professional software suites, like Adobe and Autodesk, are neglecting Linux users. The more people switch over, the more attention Linux gets to improve the home/office user experience. It's my opinion that Windows is approaching the beginning of the end for being the dominant OS on desktops. It might be 5 to 10 years, but people are getting fed up with Windows.
Switch over to Linux, I suggest a rolling release distro and forget about "upgrading" hardware!
IoT LTSC Edition is the answer
The support ends on 2032 instead
@NakaT Rolling release doesn't necessarily mean "bleeding edge", it just means there is no "versions", you don't "upgrade" from the previous version of Ubunto to the next. You get incremental upgrades.
Anyways I use Arch and I don't find it less stable than debian based. If anything it performs better, you are not way behind a lot of the software etc.
0:36 ma man, I love you, great way of making content
Genuine question- why unsupported windows 10 will be vulnerable? I see plenty of people in our country still using windows 7, windows xp. I rarely see anyone having any major issues.
In environmental terms, if Microsoft really cared about sustainability they would extend the support of windows 10 so that people can hold onto their equipment for longer. This would be better than rendering alot of old computers obsolete, and it would help for a "circular" economy where ppl can get the most out of their tech before it's rendered scrap
Unfortunately, the money they make from forcing people to switch as early as possible far outweighs any reasonable expectations of longevity, environmental friendliness or product quality. Microsoft's CEO made $54,946,560 in total compensation in 2022. I could retire on that amount and never work again, AND have an emergency fund for serious life events like medical expenses. $42,269,560 of that money was given as stock, meaning that he has evaded a huge amount of income taxes if he keeps those stocks for a year. So, we have to deal with being robbed, while the CEO, and the other top executives can make enough money to buy mega-yachts and private islands while both ditching their tax responsibility and underpaying their employees. This is what happens when you're on a 'pay yourself what you want system'. The board of directors set the CEO's pay in a parasitic relationship so they can pull in more money for themselves. It's a lose, lose situation for consumers, and 99% of employees.
good point . There is a shit ton of used laptops with xp, 7, 8 on them that could be still surfing the web or farmed out to 3rd world countries but capitalism needs you to keep reinventing the wheel but buying the same again but it has blue lights
Windows 10 and 11 aren’t the only operating systems… modern Linux distros can be very user friendly and have been known to keep old hardware useful for longer
@@Rusty_Gold85 Those same laptops are also potential bots due to the amount of security issues their hardware contains. Old hardware is absolutely riddled with security issues. If you knew just how many infected 'bot' computers there were in the world wreaking havoc on the economy through ransomware attacks then you would not be questioning why Microsoft only wants Windows 11 to be running on hardware that is protected by a TPM and a virtualisation layer. The governments of the (western) world are forcing Microsoft to do this, and I don't blame them, Russian and North Korean botnets are no longer just run by criminal organisations but are being utilised by their own hostile governments, and they could be used to cripple our infrastructure in a heartbeat.
Imagine if Japan could have caused anarchy within the US banking system two weeks before Pearl Harbor? You can't go to war when your populace is rioting over missed wages and not being able to access their money.
@@lucio-ohs8828 2025: the year of linux
My biggest concern for future Windows distros is the potential to set up a subscription platform that forces you to pay in order to use your computer
don’t use so called “windows distros”, you don’t know what security or privacy issues it may introduce
@@fiftybytes I think he meant releases
@@roccociccone597
I'm a firm believer in WHAT A PERSON SAYS IS WHAT THEY MEAN
so until he says RELEASES, he means DISTRO'S
it's not our job to correct him it's his responsibility to know what he's saying
@@martinkuliza true but unfortunately most people aren’t very concise with their language. Still those hacked isos are worse than stock windows.
@@roccociccone597
This is true and i agree
however, i learned a long time ago not to hold myself responsible for others
i tried it once, it was a nightmate, it becomes a holding someone's hand contest and if i'm not "Understanding Enough" then i become the bad guy
NO... fuck that
Everyone , no matter how lazy or careless has an inherent responsibility for their own words and actions, if they fuck up.... that's their fault, not ours
so if he says DISTRO's then i'm running with that because the flip side of the coin is he could put up an argument that that's what he meant and we assumed otherwise and ... he'd be right in that defense
Assuming is not good
Take him on his word is usually the best way to go
The answer is Linux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop. Works like Windows with Linux reliability and privacy. The look and feel of the Cinnamon desktop is very much like windows. The available software covers everything from various office suites to advanced image and video editing. Yes, there are games and Steam. Runs on any machine and brings life back to older ones.
Although moving to Linux may be an alternative, there could be more updates to the drama over this whole issue as time goes on and more backlash occurs. Making a decision too soon is probably not advisable.
You missed a critical part of the XP support timeline. Which is when they tried to stop supporting it, lots of government entities and healthcare systems were still using it, and wanted them to keep supporting it with critical patches longer which one of the reasons it went on a little longer.
I expect a similar dance between government entities/healthcare systems and Windows 10.
I have been wondering if they won’t back down as well
Idk W11 is a lot closer to W10 than XP and Vista no? I don't have any experience about XP and Vista, but I assume there's more innovation between older OSs compared to Windows 10 and 11. I personally find the difference between the two relatively disappointing. Microsoft also made it really easy to upgrade to W11 too, so I could see windows 11 being easily adapted as long as the people operating the computers are semi competent.
I haven't met a single person who uses windows 11 as their main os lamo
@@Lanurus Its not the issue, to install a new os you need to start over, which means you will have to reinstall every single program, and it can be very tricky to set it up. You might even lose data, which can be catastrophic. I know servers that still run on xp due to complexity of the transfer.
@@randomdude8202 Upgrading to Windows 11 doesn't delete anything unless you explicitly select fresh install when it asks. That's what I meant by Microsoft having made it really easy to update.
The message in the beginning of the video stating that we can listen to it while doing something else is a nice touch, I wish everyone did this lol
What we need is a consumer protection law that forces software companies to support their older operating systems for a minimum number of years after they stop selling them, or alternatively, open source the obsolete versions so the free market can pick up the slack.
I've been here before with expensive music software that became worthless because MS stopped supporting XP. I bought the Adobe creative suite before they went subscription-only, so I can't even replace the tools I use.
Too much of copyright leans against the public domain.
Microsoft's business decisions never cease to give me a headache trying to figure out just what the hell they're thinking.
They aren't doing the thinking, blackrock is.
thats due to hiring staff that are developers without thinking of a moving train . They are thinking of the railway stations
Microsoft are about regular software rental income and nothing else. Fixing bugs, delivering the software that people want, writing anything that is remotely efficient... none of that matters to Microsoft. For example, firing almost their entire QA team... we are now the front of Microsoft's horrors, more and more bugs are coming through every month, and Microsoft stance is that they don't care and should you get a bug even acknowledged, some lame excuse that it's not Microsoft's problem (e.g. "too many tracked changes in a document") and the issue is closed.
and who's going to pay for the setup I'd need to run windows 11? I was planning on getting an USED gpu this year because I can't afford anything in this socialist S-hole.
@@Amygondor Can you afford a weapon and the will to make a change? Complete the mission.
Windows 10 has been rock solid for me. Changing for the sake of change and starting over is an unfortunate side effect of keeping stock holders happy.
Its linux mint time
Report @lindedreaper8683 for harassment. I've been getting harassed by this loser in my own comment threads for 2 days now.
So much for Microsoft's green credentials.. making us through away a good computer & buy another....... that they want us to use........ sounds so APPLE!
@@punchcake4832Dual boot at best.
Lets not get too excited.
Loads of industy software aint on linux, aint gonna be on linux, and VMs aint always the answer.
Apple computers work for decades. You obviously never used any Apple products. They are known for their long support.@@georgeemanson
As far as I know nobody wants Windows 11, it's not even accepted or the default and they are already thinking about Windows 12.
If your computer can't run Windows 11 and it can't upgrade to it, I consider it as a bonus feature.
Im hoping that Windows 12 will allow people to upgrade regardless of what you said.
Ah yes, demanding users purchase high-end hardware to continue receiving security updates... during a cost of living crisis. Good work Microsoft.
Also as a side note... skipping Windows 9 was a massive missed marketing opportunity. Windows 9.5 and 9.8 could have included some retro themes.
The developers at Microsoft live in a bubble... in more than one way.
We already have the Windows 9.x family so no need for Windows 9
I do hope there isn't still a crisis by 2025 though, or we're really fucked.
95 and 98 are the reason they skipped 9, from what I heard. Apparently there would've been some coding issues causing conflicts between 9 and 95/98.
It's 2023, time to upgrade your PC you built in 2010. I could roll back to my old PC and except for the Motherboard I'd be over the "high end hardware requirements".
I hope to make windows 10 my last windows that I ever use as main OS. The spyware and reporting it does already creeped me out enough and it only gets worse with 11. The end of 10 might finally give me enough of a push to switch to Linux fully
What creeped me out was their never ending changes.
Make sure to check forums for any problems you might have. Linux is. . Not ready for a lot of consumers
@@sakesaurus1706 tell me you haven't used linux without telling me you haven't used linux.
@@robonator2945 no well, I mean if you only do basic stuff, it's easy, but if you do anything like set up IME, or try to run a VM there's a lot of technical stuff you need to dig into. In windowsa lot of this is installed by default.
@@robonator2945 look. It took me about a month of occasional multiple hour sessions to set up chinese input in Arch. In windows it took me seconds.
Embedded devices and platforms is what scares me. Things like ATMs, Airport Common Use, etc.
The first computer in my school was in 7th grade and it ran XP. All computers in my school ran XP until I made it to college and they finally upgraded to Windows 7. They’re still on Windows 7 today.
In short: it’s because windows 11 has way less compatibility (requires higher end components), while windows 10 is amazing in terms of compatibility.
yes, exactly. it will take 5 years for it to catchup to windows 10 and some apps wont ever be compatible.
its an artificial limiter put inplace by MS. 11 actually runs better on lower end handwear than 10 when you force it. it has a better scheduler and better memory management. but it has other problems....
@@FlyingMonkies325🤡 ! I don't want or need AI on my pc thanks !!!! I'm perfectly capable of doing stuff on my pc without it !!!!! Fxxk Microsoft !!!!!!
Linux even more compatible
Sorry bud, not wanting Hal 9000 on my home PC.
The only things keeping many people, including myself with Microsoft OSes are familiarity and compatibility. They seem more determined with every version to throw the familiarity aspect out the window by making the UI as different as possible starting with Win8. Not better, just different. Like they're obsessed with not looking or working the way they used to, with trying to step away from the 'windowed UI' that literally gives their OS line its name.
Compatibility problems on Linux have meanwhile been rapidly shrinking, and many UI options for it have by all accounts been getting closer and closer to the familiar setup we all know.
I pretty much ignored windows 8 because of unfamilarity
@@dizzyheads I tried to. Didn't work because I had to get a new laptop on a budget and they only had them with Win8, but while I had it and 8.1 I stayed as far away from the new "features" as possible.
I was very happy when Win10 largely went back to form, just keeping toned-down elements of 8 and 8.1 as strictly optional alternate methods. As they always should have been.
For those of you who don't like the Metro UI on 8/8.1/10, there is a replacement called 'Classic Shell', that gives your three options of previous Windows 'Start' menus; 2000; XP, or 7. You can also change the style of the 'Start' button. Windows 10 with the W2K Start menu is what I'm currently using on my laptop, so I don't get it confused with my Windows 7 PC. Please Note. Classic Shell has recently been taken over and developed by Open Shell, which is equally as good.
Hopefully by October 2025, when Windows ends support for 10, I'll switch over to Ubuntu or Linux Mint. Windows 11 is janky from what I have heard, and removes some legacy software (not that I use legacy software that much, but it would be nice to know that I have them).
I think its more about forcing people onto an operating system that records and transmits all keystrokes back to microsoft. Older versions didnt have that, or had easy ways to turn it off or block it. That wont be possible going forward.
My PC has a place for a TPM but I haven't put it in. Microsoft is turning against its users by forcing them to buy compatible hardware when they're having problems feeding their families or staying housed. Am hoping that someone out there with the knowledge to take over the support for windows and keep it alive!
Resistance is futile, and Linux is quite friendly these days.
Ok this might seem silly but the blurb in the beginning about this video is mostly audio content is the best QoL thing I’ve seen in a video ever I am very happy with it thank you
The problem with "cloud" is what they have done to Outlook. They have cut down the storage to be so small, to try too force people too pay monthly fees on storage.
Storage has become prohibitively expensive on most platforms. Apple cloud service for example had a 25% price hike this year. A hike I wasn't prepared to pay and just deleted the data. The learning was, don't trust cloud services. They are only there to get you over a barrel and fork you for ever more.
Hello This may seem retro, the problem with the cloud is a constant connection to a poorly secured internet! Regards
Cloud data could be wiped though if you don't pay every single month! A very dangerous path to walk. You could never restore what you had at the mercy of microrip off!
In the end it is all about the money
Not too surprising as apple does the same thing with iCloud
This is an infuriating (but not unexpected) bait-and-switch for what was touted for some time to be the "final version of Windows" we would ever need.
Not to mention, Microsoft will single-handedly indirectly produce more e-waste than any other organization in history.
yeah u litteraly have to replace millions of clients in schools offices and other buildings becouse Upgrading is way more expensive and takes way to long if you have to do it on all the systems at once
The question I have is: Are the minimum spec computers/laptops shops will sell in 2025 support Windows 11. Currently it feels like MS hasn't taken into account all the things that mess up in the industry that sit slightly outside their remit.
Chrome OS Flex would work for a lot of people who just need a browser for their daily computing needs. I’m enjoying it on a 10 year old pc at the moment. Sadly, that seems to have an expiry date as well.
The only thing stopping Windows 11 from running on a system that does not meet their requirements is Microsoft itself. They are actively blocking it from running. That only leaves two choices to switch the operating system to open source on your machines or to spend money to repurchase or upgrade to meet their requirements. As companies are trying to resolve and maintain their operations during this recession I think they have to start looking outside the Microsoft environment if they can't afford to replace or upgrade their entire office P.C.s. This may turn into a real game-changer for Microsoft.
I'm moving to Linux bc of this... so it was a successful ad for MSFT.
this is why regulation is fucking stupid and doesn't actually help consumers. Regulation denies companies the rope to hang themselves. Microsoft is fucking over consumers and putting them in a situation where the preferable choice is to just leave microsoft and do business elsewhere. (linux) That's what happens time and time again, except, wait, no it isn't, because most of the time jackasses try to regulate companies to get them to stop doing shit that's bad for consumers (cough cough EU cough cough lightning cough cough Rossman cough cough RtR) which realistically only ensures that consumers stay placid and keep buying from companies that actively want to fuck them over.
It's an adversarial system, where people are trying to stop one side from being adversarial.
It's like if people stepped in and FORCED wolves to not over-breed in times of food surplus, thereby ensuring both deer and wolf populations continue to rise since you never let the wolves overpopulate and cull the deer population. Sure you saved the lives of some deer and wolves, but long term you've ruined the ecosystem that they inhabit and both will likely suffer greatly in the long run once this arrangement stops being feasible. Death is a part of life, and imbalance is what trends systems back towards balance, if you never let the wolves over populate you ensure the deer stay overpopulated. All the same if you never let companies fuck over consumers you ensure consumers stay placid and keep doing business with companies that are actively fucking them over in every way you HAVEN'T gotten around to legislating yet which, realistically, is MOST ways.
@@lukereiner Linux isn't for me cuz I'm a gamer
@@NatetheNintendofan 85% of games run silver or above under proton, which basically means they run as well as (or often better) than on windows. That goes up to 89% if you include bronze games which often do work but just run noticably worse or have other issues. (oh and of those games which are bronze, some of them are just buggy on both platforms, so reports on protondb say the game is buggy, and it gets ranked low despite being just as good on linux as windows)
Apex legends as an example runs obscenely better on proton for me. I have to sit at mid to high settings on windows to get smooth ish performance. On linux I crank every setting to max and still get absolute butter flowing out of my CPU.
@@NatetheNintendofan Sad but true. It is the reason I use it. If businesses start training people to use open-source software their monopoly would come to a halt and software companies would have to start adding code to open-source projects to stay in business.
I can't be alone on this, but I really want manual control over windows updates again. Even Win10 in the last few years has had an update that bricked installs and I believe one was even corrupting data.
i remember the one time i had windows update mess up my boot times, which made me stay up until 5AM. may 2021, winver 20H2.
Yeah, that's why I reverted to Windows 7 Ultimate.
The ghost spectre version of windows 11 allows you to pause updates indefinitely
I, for one, got fed up enough with that 'feature' of Windows 10 that I built my own home Domain Controller, just so I could fix that major issue.
This right here is why I refuse to run Windows as my main. Can’t even put into words how moronic it is to have no control over updates. I am riding it out on Mac until Linux takes over.
Great video! My current plans are to stay on windows 10 as long as possible. Then move to Linux.
I love the fact he told me i could do other thing because the majority of the video was audio. Subed just because of that
Nice of Microsoft to create such a booming endorsement of linux. Never thought that I'd see the day they actually just officially said "Get the hardware we want or switch to Linux" to so many people.
Linux is the same, no? Broke as shit drivers and lack of support for a bunch of hardware means you are basically required to get AMD + Mesa drivers and specific brands of DVD drives and wifi, if you want the system to work well.
Psssst. Atlas os....
@@tenshiinen That hasn't been the case for me so far. I've only installed it on 2 laptops so far, but also what I've heard is that linux is supported fairly well now-a-days. I've been using Ubuntu for over a year and for the most part I've only had fairly minor annoyances that just come from not having experience with it.
The same was said about past migrations. Something not discussed is when were machines not capable of Win11 discontinued? A quick search says 2017. So, those machines would be 7 years old by then. That's not a bad run. I don't think that's going to bother businesses too much. And I suspect many individuals have moved to tablets anyway.
@@russellhltn1396 and every time I'm willing to bet that Linux had a decent increase in users at that point. People over time have gotten better with computers while Windows has gotten worse and Linux has gotten better. If they don't make changes to improve windows 11 or then 12, then the people who want windows for its convenience/ease of use will end up going to Mac, and many of those that want it for pretty much anything else will go to Linux.
Until very recently I was involved in providing IT support services in a rural area of the UK. I was still coming across users of Windows 7 & 8, and even Windows XP. Given that many of these folks are on "broadband" connections that barely reach 1Mbps (some as low as 200k!!) it's hardly surprising that they didn't upgrade. Several customers running Windows 10 used to drop off their laptops to me in the middle of each month to run Windows updates because they simply didn't work on slow connections. Windows 10 will be hanging around for a long time yet.
i survive with 138k on 4G multiple users in city area, enough to load youtube anyway
I could understand for the old PSTN connectivity which was both slow and limited in time but isn't broadband available 24/7 ? One can just let the machine run in background and forget it until any update is complete.
I do it on games weighting like 80GB. Windows update are far smaller than that.
@@EminoMeneko The machines he's talking about are so out of date, they probably slow down to crawl when you update. For the most part you're right though. Those users don't understand how computers work and are too lazy to learn.
@@chronometer9931 Weirdly enough, I have an old laptop that was originally made for Windows 7. I upgraded it to 10 and it never ran smoother. It runs 10 better than it ever did 7, faster boot times, more responsive, etc.
@@EminoMeneko another problem when download speed hit less then 200KBit sec.
is that the sender (like Microsoft) thinks the client timed out because the Are you still there ping after a time just don't send correctly and the whole things times out.
I had when I was sitting on 100Kbit internet back in early 2000 had download from FileFront or what that site was called fail overnight.
(I could use Filefrontds downloading tool that split a 1Gbit zip file into 1000. 1Mbit zip file and when it failed somewhere midway I could just restart the download at that point and not have to restart because the 0.5Gbit Zip file was useless.
People should consider workarounds to install windows 11 on unsupported hardware. Many of the unsupported hardware are more than good enough to run Windows 11
6:35, nah you can absolutely stay put, i still use xp daily, and 98 fairly frequently as well.
Microsoft: Win 10 will be the last version of Windows and we will continue building on it far into the future.
Also Microsoft: Win 10 is dead, move to the somehow even worse Win 11
But here comes Win12 bcz Win11 sucked donkey balls so bad.
They designed a perfectly modular OS in which they can replace/update it easily, for decades to come, but proceed to move to abandon it like they did with Win 8 / 7 and predecessors so they can assert greater control over peoples computers and because a long lasting OS isn't profitable to them.
Precisely.
It sounds like their plans on soft-monerizing Win10 were not enough, so they had to make an even more intrusive OS that reports even more telemetry.
This makes one wonder how much more spyware will be baked into Win12 and later "this is the last" Win versions.
@user you mean Apple Silicon MacOS
@@lesath7883 probably Bing Ai and MS Runway Gen 2 in everything with ElevenLabs Bing will be baked into the OS.
i honestly agree with this video. i'm on windows 10 currently even though my computer is able to be updated to the latest version. i heard too many horror stories of how shaky it was when windows 11 came out and just haven't upgraded yet. i'd honestly love to stay on windows 10 if possible, since i don't really think they needed to make windows 11 anyway
The thing is, it was shaky, when Windows 10 came out too. Simple, small update could cause BSOD loops.
Don´t worry, your PC will get updated. On its own, as MS will once again push the "free" update onto us, as they did, when Windows 7 was still dominant. Many people went to sleep, left ther computers on, only to wake up and find Windows 10 on their machines...
@@Morpheus-pt3wq it was shaky, but it's been a bit over a year since windows 11 was released and people were still having issues towards the beginning of this year so it's hard to sit there and be like "they totally can't fuck it up again." it's also just ugly to look at in my opinion lmao
I tried Windows 11 and had to back it off because Rocksmith runs "jittery" on it. I tried several versions and none of them ran it smoothly enough that I could endure playing it. Tried every tweak I could find, no joy. Back off to Windows 10 and everything is smooth again.
@@CallowG yeah. i heard so many people had issues like this which is why i've just never updated.
I had to listen to some fucko at work suck windows 11's dick. ITS SO MUCH SMOOTHER ITS BETTER MY FRIEND IS A CODER AND WE LOOKED AT THE SOURCE CODE AND ITS MUCH BETTER
_the source code, eh? speak into the mic please_
the fact that people like *that* exist are the main reason that microsoft can pull shit like _this_
Hey big shout out for the heads up that I can use this vid as background noise. Comfy
One of the major challenges Linux faced was gaming. Valve's work on the Steam Deck and Proton has helped to eliminate that barrier. Even if you don't use Proton, it's based on Wine and you can download that to run all manner of Windows applications.
Don’t forget that XP’s extended lifespan was begrudgingly given by Microsoft, in part due to netbooks. Windows vista could not run well on the crippled hardware of netbooks, so Linux was initially offered but more commonly XP was offered. Due to the massive install base of XP, new machines still being offered with XP on them well into the life of Vista and legal support requirements in places like America, Canada and Europe, Microsoft were in a tricky position.
I seen XP 3 days ago in a shop
They know they love windows 10 when XP is their own OS
As a user, I notice very few changes between versions of windows, other than the odd ui change. But I do notice it becoming slower and needing faster hardware. Am I alone in preferring a version of windows which runs quicker and gives my apps (the important thing), more resources? Windows is just a thing which runs the important stuff (software), I don’t need it doing all the things it tries to do which I don’t care about. I want it to take up few resources and run apps. Nothing more, nothing less.
yeah iam feeling the same its as if microsoft forgot about the users who are using low end pcs
and i hate that force update which makes pc slower when not updated
I've also noticed dlls going missing with each new iteration, which some of my older software and PC games need in order to run properly.
@@logan_wolf Most of those are still available as "redistributables." It's stuff like language runtimes that have been superceded but the old versions are still out there. I have a directory of like 15 such things various program of mine need installed on a fresh Windows.
That's part of the reason why consoles are so popular for gaming. A much leaner OS that doesn't try to preload every possible thing so it can make the most of the hardware available. I've got a friend that uses a PS5 and XB series X for gaming, TH-cam and streaming services and a tablet for email and web stuff. PC's are too much of a pain in the ass for him.
My semi-high end gaming pc from 2014 can't upgrade to 11 so im abit confused and situation might change until next year but right now don't plan to upgrade hardware unless it breaks
I ditched Windows when the support for Windows 7 came. Ok it was a learning curve to using Linux but now it does everything I need of my computer , and I don’t feel I’m being held to ransom by Microsoft any more.
I love how he says at the start of the video that the video is mostly audio, I wish more did this.
Yes I liked that too. First time I encountered that. I like to listen to voices while I look at other things like my painting hobby.
I totally agree, but honestly other than videos featuring subtitled foreign language I have not encountered many that use video content as a particularly necessary accompaniment. I guess videos that pop up quotes from people without narrating them or otherwise show screenshots of text
My laptop's not supported by 11 so I've upgraded to Fedora Linux. The end of 10 simply means I can get a cheap pre-used replacement. Linux distros should be campaigning to get more people to switch, it's an ideal time for them to pick up a userbase.
For people that want to play games or need to work with it Linux is not an Option. I love Linux but people are not realistic. For 95% of people its not possible to switch.
@@Blackbirdone11 The gaming side of Linux has gotten a lot better over the years especially with Proton and the Steam Deck even a lot of games with Anti Cheat work now.
The production side of things depends a bit on what work is required, have seen people using LibreOffice for professional work for years.
Most of the time people are just so focused on the things they know that alternatives are out of the question, basically if it doesn't work exactly like windows it's not worth it for people that only ever used windows.
That said a large issue is that a large portion of Windows users probably wouldn't even be able to reinstall Windows let alone a different OS. Even systems would work and just need to enable fTPM and Secure Boot would require some changes that many people probably will never do so because they don't know how. So a ton of people will likely stick with Windows 10 until the things they need don't work anymore.
@@Blackbirdone11 This only applies to multiplayer games. Single player games work 99,9% on Steam. I even have Mod Organizer 2 and Vortex Mod Manager up and running with 100's of mods for several games. And I had NO experience with Linux before making the switch a few weeks ago.
omg there's ways around compatibility issues on win11 there's no need to use Linux
@@randomguy15865 it's not a good idea to run unsupported software and there are other reasons to switch.
You can run a lot of older hardware on windows 11 that is not natively available, the channel - explaining computers does a very good and easy tutorial with a few methods for installing windows 11 without any system hardware requirements
It took me a year or two after Windows 10 came out before I finally upgraded, but I really only made the transition because I upgraded my hardware and it was just easier to do a clean install of 10 and take the dive. Got used to it but still miss the transparancies of 7&8
I like the look of 11 with transparancies coming back, but in many ways it's been too dumbed down to make it easier for average users. I'll stick with 10 until I no longer can.
At the current time, i think end of support for Windows 10 will be awfull simply because Windows 11 is a heavy DOWNgrade in functionalities, features, and usability for power users, not only for hardware limitations (witch is an already sh***y move)
Why can't they just upgrade the OS without taking away specific features are burying them in like 5 different menus?
@@YujiUedaFan Because incompetent developers who only deal in shiny and not usability (and definitely not maintainability or efficiency) are running the joint now.
@@nickryan3417 So they changed random things in Windows 11 because "We had to change SOMETHING!" Absolute change for change's sake. I'd rather Windows 11 be a mix of Windows 7 and 10 than the Mac clone it is.
They're going to push Cloud really hard with Windows 12. They recently made available Cloud hosted desktops and releasing boot to Cloud ISOs. I could easily see them pitching Windows 12 as "Too powerful to self host". Whatever they do, it'll have nothing to do with our best interest and everything to do with their bottom line. I keep hoping for a huge revolt against the Cloud and subscription software. Probably going to be hoping for a lot longer...
I'm pretty sure they want to go down the office route. They used to sell ms office for a fixed price/license codes, but they realized why get paid once, when you can keep getting paid. Now if u want ms office, you have to buy 360 EVERY MONTH. they are going to make windows 12 same way. Pay every month or it won't work
it has everything to do with controlling and harvesting every single byte of "user" data, and the rights management that goes with it.
@@mrcalzon02 agreed, this will be great for users who value privacy, we will all simply migrate to Linux & force the industry to value Linux & code applications and games natively for linux
I am guessing the American government is gonna love all that acess to your files and stuff.
@@warenthegamer815I’ve been waiting for that since I attended my first LUG meeting!
Yes with the economic realities up to medium term, upgrading to Windows 11 at least seems to be really off the table for most people/enterprises.
I still run on Sandy Bridge, how am I suppose to transition to win11? I only upgraded from win7 last year because of Steam dropping support for it, what's next?
Reasons like this are the reasons why I switched to Linux after Windows 11 was released. The loss of control of updates without having to go back to workarounds. There should be a switch for me to set my updates to automatic or manual similar to windows 7/XP. Data collection by Microsoft is certainly a concern, i know that you can opt out of some of it but there is the perception that there is something going on. Finally, the push to use a Microsoft account and pushing Microsoft's services very heavily and intrusively. Why when I install a separate browser does Microsoft constantly ask me to switch to Edge? It is this feeling that my computer is not my own is the hardest pill to swallow. Due to all this put together, I have switched to Linux as my primary OS. As a note, I do not trust Apple anymore than Microsoft so switching to them was off the table. The biggest hit against Apple is that if you are not wholly invested in the Apple ecosystem, I always feel like i am missing out on he experience and all the features Apple offers.
Yeah.. and just wait until Microsoft requires you to attach your passport or government id to your Microsoft account otherwise you won't be able to use your computer. It's all for your safety of course. We've known for a long time that Microsoft is controlled by the intelligence agencies. Their anti-consumer practices are pro-intelligence practices. Let's vote with our feet and switch to Fedora Linux or Linux Mint. Both great Linux distros.
By far the biggest thing stopping me from switching to Windows 11 isn’t actually the system requirements, but the total lack of customizability, especially for taskbar location. I still run a dualboot with Ubuntu on my newest laptop I got that already Windows 11 and once EOL comes for Windows 10, I’m likely going to just switch fully over to either Ubuntu or a different Linux distro because I’m tired of MS just failing hard on this.
Not being able to move the Taskbar is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's like buying a new car that won't let you turn left.
@@majorDT Why would anyone be able to move the Taskbar? I prefer it on the button, as most Windows OS has the taskbar on the button by default.
@@automation7295 A few games I play do not hold my mouse in the tab, so quite often I would end up with my cursor flying out of the tab and opening something at the bottom on my taskbar.
We just want it back as an option. You may not have a need to move YOUR taskbar, but a lot of other users do. We can't even move the taskbar by editing the registry which is incredibly scummy.
I've had my taskbar on the top for over 3 years now and I'm struggling using another pc when it doesnt instantly pop up from the top, so why wouldnt they have this feature, and i needed to download an app to make the taskbar see through, why cant windows do that if an app can do it
@@majorDT no, moving the taskbar is not comparable to turning in a car, and never will it be.
I've heard about all the privacy concerns of 11 and decided I'd never switch until those were resolved (though they'll probably never be truly resolved).
One of the Best reasons for Linux, it's Free. And has major support for all Distributions. Support is always there and they are constantly upgrading and making connections where issues use to be. Also, the only bloat to Linux is what you put in it or leave in it. Most if not all can be removed or upgraded or switched out for something better. It's a serious avenue that people should really look into. (My personal opinion)
But most software and even hardware its not compatible with it so its not reliable for heavy working enviorement where you cant assume what software/ hardware every client will or have to use. I work as IT and honestly i cant risk having random softwares some client urgently needs not being compatible and virtual machines its just not an option. Also most users barely knows how to use a web browser and linux its still at its core an advance SO mostly for programers... to do anything you need to have some computer knowledge thing that a lot of people dont want to learn. Like it or not as bloated as windows its still the most reliable SO for general use right now. If Linux can find a way to make any windows exe works as if it where in windows without having to code anything or set like 10 stuff and pray it wont fail then yes i can look at it as an option. But for now i cant risk freeze a clients work bc some random linux pc completly crashed bc some windows software was barely compatible.
Ps: ofc im just sharing my personal opinion and experience its not true for everyone.
@lindenreaper8683 look man i been working as IT for 20 years and currently still do so and im talking by experience not by personal vendettas against an SO so chill out. If you want to call it BS or mock me feel free to do but i cant take seriously someone who clearly havent seen what i seen or experience having to run midnight throug the years because some smartass try installing linux on a vital workstation and now cant install any both commercial and custom software the company use and needs next morning. Dont get me wrong i use linux but for very specific reasons all SO have both advantages and disadvantages.
Bottom line is if youre a true professional you adapt and learn how to solve all SO issues thats our job not just whine or demonize an SO just because its not exacly as we feel confortable at go. I personally dont like mac SO but that wont make me go around trash talking about it its just an SO. Same as you can make Linux work if you take your time learning it you can turn off all windows ads and bloat and leave it being really light weight IF you take your time learning how to do so. OR just spend at worst $40 dollars and add freaking 16gb of memory assuming it has ssd already and that's for most companies is x10 better value than the time spend battling the software to save some mb of ram.
Ps: If you disagree feel free to do so it wont change reality in my career or yours just be polite this is not personal just work.
I'm happy that the steam deck has encouraged developers to start taking linux into account when working on their game. I used Ubuntu for more than a year in 2014 and would like the option to switch back if windows goes south.
The problem is most corporate see linux user as freeware user that refused to pay for software, like if they even didn't want to pay for OS why we bother looking profit from that community
Fedora Linux is maintained by an open community and financially backed by Red Hat Linux, a large highly profitable corporation. They use Fedora Linux as their foundation OS for Red Hat Enterprise Linux OS. There's a lot of money in Linux. I use Fedora Linux and so does Linus Torvalds. It's the best distro out there in my opinion. I found it easy to install and set up. Took an afternoon, and it feels so good to get off Windows, it was WELL worth the effort.
@@randompirates4824 most people dont pay for windows. unless you built your own pc you will almost definitley have windows unless its a mac device or custom order with linux installed. you are given windows with your pc, and thats it for almost everyone.
@@yashakayasange The only reason I'm gonna be paying for Windows is because I'm getting a new PC in September and "downgrading it" to Windows 10, which I'm gonna have to buy and figure out how to install and replace Windows 11 with manually.
That's very much by design. Valve has been very transparent about the fact that they're pushing the Steam Deck and SteamOS at a massive loss because they recognized the theat of Microsoft and gaming hardware companies burning down the PC gaming industry while chasing other interests. PC gaming is Valve's money-farm and they felt it was in enough danger to warrant a full-assed response.