Yes, it was worth testing the native Garmin data in the “Bermuda triangle”. Well done! I agree that the 1030+ ought to get the ClimbPro update as I paid good money for mine only a year ago!
I’ve got the beta version firmware, and the new map must have automatically updated, because climb pro worked for me this morning! Thanks for the great vids Shane!
Glad you voiced publicly what 1030 Plus owners have been saying - Garmin have taken a big 💩 on customers who have spent a lot of money on previous gen devices that are still more than capable of taking the ClimbPro and OS updates.
@@TheITNerd and the Explore 2 users. Let's say that the E2 is a fresh device (9 month old), with the new UI and ClimbPro feature. But as I know this far not will be updated with this feature.
With the 1040 Solar now retailing at just USD 20.00 more than the Edge 840, it's a matter of desired screen size and available button. I have to say the Climb Peo update for the 1040 is pretty convoluted. Thanks for the spin in the forest Shane.
Another informative video. Looking at pricing in the UK and you can get the 1040 solar for only £70 more than the 840 solar. That's a smaller difference than between the 1030 and 830 a few years ago. Once climbpro anywhere is in full release on 1040 rather than beta then the 1040 solar looks like a better buy. Nice to see you testing out in the forest. Looking outside here and it's windy, cold and raining like a monsoon. Back to Zwift then for today here.
You can find the 1040 Solar even cheaper than that. Many places selling 1040 Solar just 10-20€ more than the 840 Solar. Also several places selling the non-solar 1040 actually cheaper than the non-solar 840.
ClimbPro has always worked well with routes if the data it was given is accurate. Garmin do need to take into account bad/incorrect data and adjust it accordingly.
on the climb compare example starting @6:48 (steep start of climb) your garmins registered negative grade all the way up until 7:18 after you were already over it. That is serious serious lag.... 30-secs basically the Garmins didn't know the grade %
Hi Shane, excuse my limited computer knowledge. A step by step guide would be great on how to, Uninstall Maps and the Re-install Maps, in Garmin Express. Thanks
Hi, How do you get a map view displayed on the smaller unit? I have 540, but I cannot find a layout with the map visible like yours. I often find myself on a climb which goes left or right and I have no idea where to turn without what you have on the screen. Thanks
Might have just been me but I couldn't change the 2 data fields on 1040. I had to change them using the app. Also, it's not necessary to delete your map if there is a map update available. Which was my case. My map wasn't the latest so I had an update available and did not have to delete my old map.
@@gplama that's great to hear! I wasn't sure if wahoo would! I love my little Blot V2 so fingers crossed it works well, when they do eventually release it?
Love how you never assume that things work the way manufacturers tell us. BTW are the fields on the Garmin devices part of map datascreen or the ClimbPro datascreen?
Hi and thanks for the very well made video. I would like to know if it is possible to use this function instead of the 'classic' climb feature during a routed ride. I really like it!
at 7'06" you show your Garmin with 4 screens: Top is navigation, middle is climb pro, lower 2 are grade & Power. HOW can I set up that screen? I only have climb pro with 2 data fiels (%&power) but no navigation. Would be great!!!!!
Hi Shane brilliant stuff as always. I was just wondering. Is there an option to turn OFF the climb pro freeride and use climb pro the old school way with the preloaded route? In case I want it that way.thanks
necesito saber como grabas la pantalla del Garmin 1040 ?? que yo sepa el Garmin no tiene ninguna opción de grabación de pantalla, no? por favor, me podrías decir como lo haces para grabar la pantalla de tu Garmin edge mientras pedaleas?
hi, I have a question: Can you have ClimbPro without planing a route on explorer 2, just like on 540/840? I am in between buying Explorer 2 and 840 and is a big price gap... thanks for help.
This reminded me fo something a bit off-topic. I have not missed a beta/alpha of the 1030plus right? The Music control feature still hasn't been pushed?
Do you know if it is possible to have the old Climb Pro screen without the map? The layout with the map makes the grade and remaining ascent too small for me to read. I very literally upgraded from the 1030 to the 1040 because that data was in larger font on the 1040. Thanks for your always amazing videos, I'm very grateful. 🙏
Am I right in saying that with the new climb feature, there’s now no need to upload Strava segments? Or if you had a Strava segment that was say exactly where the climb is, which would kick in?
Hey Shane! do you have any knowledge on when this climbpro anywhere feature will arrive to 1040 as a working product, not a beta-test? Does garmin shared any official date? Thats a bit annoying the top bike computer from them is a bit back comparing to 840-540 series...
No indication. I agree it’s not ideal pushing the newer units ahead and keeping the 1040 on beta. Although a lot of the new Garmin cycling products are pushed out too early and everyone has to do their final testing for them.
That's only to access Climb Explore (to search around for climbs manually). ClimbPro Free Ride will pop up any time the road you're on head upwards (and is long enough and steep enough to be considered a climb).
By any chance do you have a step by step guide on how to delete maps and join Beta. I realise this should be Garmin's job, but there's nothing supplied by them, which is extremely tardy and speaks of the regard they hold their customers, many of whom I'm sure are longstanding and long suffering. Again, great work on your part and I can appreciate you're probably garmined out by now
Joining the beta how-to is in a link in the video description. Map management is via Garmin Express on Mac/PC. It's pretty straight forward when it's loaded and connected to your Edge via a USB cable.
Thanks Shane Garmin Express is only giving me a Reinstall option on maps and no deletion. I’m hoping the reinstall will be all that is required. The Beta join up was straightforward Thanks Fabian
@@fabianmolyneux2308 You need to be patient. I had to reconnect to Garmin Express 2-3 times after agreeing to the Beta. I now have 17.09 (and going out to test it right now) !
For the avoidance of doubt no went up Sa Calobra this morning. I use the latest beta version on my 1040 solar. The ClimbPro segment ended about .3km downhill from the top. Totally useless. Garmin need to sort it
@@gplama Thanks Shane I’ve managed it now I was looking for a delete button and not deselect and update. Great channel by the way clear and concise information.
Even though this is a feature they could easily roll out to the x30 series, including my 830, I'd still buy a 1040 if it didn't have such gigantic top and bottom bezels. They make it so unwieldy. Solar's a price discrimination gimmick rather than a useful feature 99% of the time, so I don't want it or a device that shares its gigantic bezels.
If money isn't a factor and you don't mind the bigger unit, 1040 all the way. This video shows how much more of the map can be shown on screen. On the same note, the map screen + MapDashboard ConnectIQ data field = just brilliant. th-cam.com/video/HCb7OFJqUj8/w-d-xo.html
No notable difference when using them. If we could find out how to get into diagnostic mode maybe we could find out a little more about the differences. The basic benchmarking apps in ConnectIQ don’t reveal any differences (although those tests are limited).
There's a hidden menu within beta firmware on x40 devices. It'll save a screenshot every 500ms. It's a real pain to record and incorporate into videos. :/
Hi 1030 plus users. I feel very disappointed as well. Just contacted Garmin customer service to directly express my dissatisfaction. I suggest you do the same if we want to change something. Cheers
Seems amazing that a hardware company such as garmin can still ship units in 2023 with that wonky software. I hope someone at Garmin realizes how much potential they give away to competitors (in terms of software). Garmin Connect could be so much more but yet they choose to not do anything with it. crazy
I'm on a windows PC and there are no instructions at all from Garmin on steps to take in prepping Edge 1040 to use Climbpro anywhere. So it's totally flying blind. There is nothing on how to delete maps etc. Disappointing and frustrating that an operator like Garmin can be so inept. I imagine right now there would be more Edge 1040's out in use than the just released 540 & 840. ARRRGH!!!!
They have outlines it in their beta program posts: forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-1040-series/f/announcements/330004/edge-1040-series-public-beta-17-09---live-important-note-in-change-log
I am honestly considering moving to Wahoo. I am just sick and tired of Garmin never adding features to “old” devices ( 1030 and 1030+ ). They claim those devices do not have the power to free ride climbers pro but somehow they can free ride sharp corner warning? BS.
Imhe that gradient display is non-intuitive and somewhat useless. I understand as gradient % decreases the display shows a down slope. But the rider is still going UP the hill, not down. So rather than see a downslope, I'd rather see the climb presented as it is on Veloviewer (and all other course analysis software.) So if I were to design this, the climb presented would show the contour of the hill, not the gradient. Especially since color is used to represent the latter anyway.
I'm sure I'll be served with legal documents from Germany for using that term at some random point in the future. I'm rightly screwed if the Wahoo Summit update includes chevrons in any form. 🤣
The gradient lag issue is huge. Never mind climbpro. 1030 was fine, 1030+ and the 1040 are rubbish. They know it but wont fix it. Beta versions are no better. Garmin will take a hit on customer loyalty. i’m amazed you and DCRainmaker have not escalated this. Very odd. Those of us that live in hilly areas have been ripped off by garmin.
I wouldn’t mind if all your tech talks were outside with views like this! Beautiful scenery!
Glad you enjoy it! It's one of my favorite places to ride. There's also good coffee in Creswick at the 1/2 way point.
Yes, it was worth testing the native Garmin data in the “Bermuda triangle”. Well done! I agree that the 1030+ ought to get the ClimbPro update as I paid good money for mine only a year ago!
I’ve got the beta version firmware, and the new map must have automatically updated, because climb pro worked for me this morning! Thanks for the great vids Shane!
After watching yesterday's videos I tried to update my 1040 firmware thinking the new features were available. Thanks for clearing this up.
Glad you voiced publicly what 1030 Plus owners have been saying - Garmin have taken a big 💩 on customers who have spent a lot of money on previous gen devices that are still more than capable of taking the ClimbPro and OS updates.
And copy and paste that for 830 users.
@@TheITNerd and the Explore 2 users. Let's say that the E2 is a fresh device (9 month old), with the new UI and ClimbPro feature. But as I know this far not will be updated with this feature.
Hear hear on the 1030 Plus comments! Completely agree.
@ have E2 and this is not a Good news. I hope not true!
That’s why I dropped Garmin for Karoo! Tired of the crap that Garmin does. I would at least rather pay for a software update than a new head unit.
Glad u mentioned the older Garmin units
Totally agree the climb pro should have been made available to 1030plus 530 and 830 users. Amazing countryside you have on your doorstep. 😊
With the 1040 Solar now retailing at just USD 20.00 more than the Edge 840, it's a matter of desired screen size and available button. I have to say the Climb Peo update for the 1040 is pretty convoluted.
Thanks for the spin in the forest Shane.
I'm looking forward to seeing this in action on my next ride. Thanks for the info.
I was thinking exactly the same thing with the VS Commodore. 😊
Amazing production with outdoor ride and embedded synchronized screens.
Glad you enjoyed it! It takes a bit of work behind the scenes but it does result in a nice looking video/ride.
Another informative video. Looking at pricing in the UK and you can get the 1040 solar for only £70 more than the 840 solar. That's a smaller difference than between the 1030 and 830 a few years ago. Once climbpro anywhere is in full release on 1040 rather than beta then the 1040 solar looks like a better buy.
Nice to see you testing out in the forest. Looking outside here and it's windy, cold and raining like a monsoon. Back to Zwift then for today here.
You can find the 1040 Solar even cheaper than that. Many places selling 1040 Solar just 10-20€ more than the 840 Solar. Also several places selling the non-solar 1040 actually cheaper than the non-solar 840.
I fully agreed a subscription type of upgrade should be proposed by Garmin. I have the 1030 Plus and can't afford to change GPS every 2 or 3 years!
Garmin Explore 2 should get this, as it fits the purpose and name of the device perfectly. But I guess it's too reasonably priced for it.
Wow, now Climb Pro reports the climb when it actually happens.
Thanks !
ClimbPro has always worked well with routes if the data it was given is accurate. Garmin do need to take into account bad/incorrect data and adjust it accordingly.
What about Explore 2 ? Will be receiving this feture as well??😮
Have Garmin stated whether they will push that capability to the 830 down the line?
Gunna need a review on the sick VS
🤣🤣🤣🤣
on the climb compare example starting @6:48 (steep start of climb) your garmins registered negative grade all the way up until 7:18 after you were already over it. That is serious serious lag.... 30-secs basically the Garmins didn't know the grade %
Hi Shane, excuse my limited computer knowledge.
A step by step guide would be great on how to, Uninstall Maps and the Re-install Maps, in Garmin Express. Thanks
Hi,
How do you get a map view displayed on the smaller unit? I have 540, but I cannot find a layout with the map visible like yours. I often find myself on a climb which goes left or right and I have no idea where to turn without what you have on the screen.
Thanks
Might have just been me but I couldn't change the 2 data fields on 1040. I had to change them using the app. Also, it's not necessary to delete your map if there is a map update available. Which was my case. My map wasn't the latest so I had an update available and did not have to delete my old map.
Good point if you're behind in map updates! 👌🏼
PLZ tell us more about the real battery life on the non-solar version.
By all reports it’s excellent. Not something I have any hands-on with myself.
Why in earth is the font for remaining ascent etc. (the three values) in the middle so small and can‘t be adjusted? There is so much white area left.
has the NEW climbpro been introduced formally for the 1040?
Yes
@@gplama thank you for your response
Is the Garmin 840/1040 worth upgrading from the Wahoo Elemnt Roam ?
Shane have you heard if Wahoo are working on a similar function? After all the new Bolt maps have elevation preloaded🤷🏻♂️
Yep. I'm across it. I'll post about it when it is released.
@@gplama that's great to hear! I wasn't sure if wahoo would! I love my little Blot V2 so fingers crossed it works well, when they do eventually release it?
Love how you never assume that things work the way manufacturers tell us. BTW are the fields on the Garmin devices part of map datascreen or the ClimbPro datascreen?
Hi and thanks for the very well made video.
I would like to know if it is possible to use this function instead of the 'classic' climb feature during a routed ride.
I really like it!
at 7'06" you show your Garmin with 4 screens: Top is navigation, middle is climb pro, lower 2 are grade & Power. HOW can I set up that screen? I only have climb pro with 2 data fiels (%&power) but no navigation. Would be great!!!!!
So now Karoo looses because of shorter battery time
Hi Shane brilliant stuff as always. I was just wondering. Is there an option to turn OFF the climb pro freeride and use climb pro the old school way with the preloaded route? In case I want it that way.thanks
Yes, you can configure ClimbPro to be: Always on. During Routing Only. Off.
Out of loop but which camera model do you use? GoPro? The picture looks so sharp and clean.
Yep. GoPro.
@@gplama The Hero10/11 Series? Cheers Shane!
Now the firmware 17.29 is avalable. Is this new version change something for the 1040?
Beautiful ride and analysis of the ins and outs!!;! Any insight if you think this will trickle down to public beta for Edge 1030 Plus?
Unlikely.
Hello, I am a Garmin 540 user and I cannot use the climbro. I would be very grateful if you could help me, thank you.
Will ClimbPro only work with a Garmin supplied Cycle Map or could works with another Digital Elevation Map (DEM)? Great video 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Good question that I don't know the answer to sorry.
necesito saber como grabas la pantalla del Garmin 1040 ?? que yo sepa el Garmin no tiene ninguna opción de grabación de pantalla, no? por favor, me podrías decir como lo haces para grabar la pantalla de tu Garmin edge mientras pedaleas?
It's a hidden menu option on the beta firmware only. It'll record a screenshot ever 500ms. It's horrible... but better than nothing.
Hi Shane, how are you able to do a screen recording on the 1040 please ?
Hey shane, 4iiii just released a new firmware for the precision 3, wondering if u planning on updating your old video soon?
I'm hesitant to spend time producing another video on it. The data now looks a lot better with 1.2.0.
How do you get the menu "Climp explore" on the screen ?
I´am on the Beta firmware 17.09
Can´t get to work 😕
hi,
I have a question: Can you have ClimbPro without planing a route on explorer 2, just like on 540/840? I am in between buying Explorer 2 and 840 and is a big price gap... thanks for help.
There has been no indication from Garmin they'll be making this new ClimbPro 'Free Ride' feature available on the Explore 2 GPS.
Why is showing real time gradient so difficult? I would a assume a tilt sensor like in a phone would do the trick (with some smoothing and offset)
This reminded me fo something a bit off-topic. I have not missed a beta/alpha of the 1030plus right? The Music control feature still hasn't been pushed?
Media control widget is only on the x40 and Explore 2.... as far as I'm aware.
Do you know if it is possible to have the old Climb Pro screen without the map? The layout with the map makes the grade and remaining ascent too small for me to read. I very literally upgraded from the 1030 to the 1040 because that data was in larger font on the 1040.
Thanks for your always amazing videos, I'm very grateful. 🙏
Hello! Did you find a solution? I have poor vision and those small numbers don't help me. Regards
Am I right in saying that with the new climb feature, there’s now no need to upload Strava segments? Or if you had a Strava segment that was say exactly where the climb is, which would kick in?
I believe the Strava Segment will also kick-in if you have those enabled. Strava segments are human created/administered.
Is it possible to use Garmin route planner as a virtual training if paired with a smart trainer? (i.e elevation will make you work harder)??
Yes. th-cam.com/video/m_X82njeO8I/w-d-xo.html
Hey Shane! do you have any knowledge on when this climbpro anywhere feature will arrive to 1040 as a working product, not a beta-test? Does garmin shared any official date?
Thats a bit annoying the top bike computer from them is a bit back comparing to 840-540 series...
No indication. I agree it’s not ideal pushing the newer units ahead and keeping the 1040 on beta. Although a lot of the new Garmin cycling products are pushed out too early and everyone has to do their final testing for them.
So just checking, you have to swipe down select a climb and then ride it? It won't just pop up if I'm heading towards a climb like Karoo? 🤷🏻♂️
That's only to access Climb Explore (to search around for climbs manually). ClimbPro Free Ride will pop up any time the road you're on head upwards (and is long enough and steep enough to be considered a climb).
@@gplama ta great, thanks 😋 looking forward to trying ⛰
Can map updates be delivered OTA, similar to firmware, or only via Garmin Express and cable?
By any chance do you have a step by step guide on how to delete maps and join Beta. I realise this should be Garmin's job, but there's nothing supplied by them, which is extremely tardy and speaks of the regard they hold their customers, many of whom I'm sure are longstanding and long suffering. Again, great work on your part and I can appreciate you're probably garmined out by now
Joining the beta how-to is in a link in the video description. Map management is via Garmin Express on Mac/PC. It's pretty straight forward when it's loaded and connected to your Edge via a USB cable.
Thanks Shane Garmin Express is only giving me a Reinstall option on maps and no deletion. I’m hoping the reinstall will be all that is required. The Beta join up was straightforward
Thanks
Fabian
@@fabianmolyneux2308 You need to be patient.
I had to reconnect to Garmin Express 2-3 times after agreeing to the Beta.
I now have 17.09 (and going out to test it right now) !
@@PedroTD thanks. You're right. I calmly persevered and all came good
Hi, will this updated climb pro function work with any other maps, not Garmin's for example OSM?
I haven't tested this.
For the avoidance of doubt no went up Sa Calobra this morning. I use the latest beta version on my 1040 solar. The ClimbPro segment ended about .3km downhill from the top. Totally useless. Garmin need to sort it
Cannot work out how to delete my maps and download them I have firmware 18.23?
You have to use the Garmin Express app on Mac or PC. The Edge needs to be connected to the machine via USB.
@@gplama I did plug it into my Mac and open Garmin Express but couldn’t find how to delete the maps within Garmin Express
Hmm. Can you go into map management and unselect the already selected/loaded regions?
@@gplama ok I didn’t try that thank you.
@@gplama Thanks Shane I’ve managed it now I was looking for a delete button and not deselect and update. Great channel by the way clear and concise information.
Any guess when this will be in general release (not beta)?
I'd take a guess of at least a few weeks. Maybe a month.
Even though this is a feature they could easily roll out to the x30 series, including my 830, I'd still buy a 1040 if it didn't have such gigantic top and bottom bezels. They make it so unwieldy. Solar's a price discrimination gimmick rather than a useful feature 99% of the time, so I don't want it or a device that shares its gigantic bezels.
1030 should get the update too.
The 1030 was released in August 2017. It might not have the power under the hood to handle the new features.
@@gplama maybe it does we cant be sure until we test it :)
Do you have to plug the Garmin into a computer still? Can’t update via mobile?
Firmware will update over the air. Maps require USB -> Garmin Express.
@@gplama thanks mate. Might move from Wahoo Bolt to the 840 or 1040.
Does climbpro in freeride work out of the box now?
If your Edge 1040 is updated, yep.
So between the 840 and the 1040 which one would you recommend to upgrade from the 530
If money isn't a factor and you don't mind the bigger unit, 1040 all the way. This video shows how much more of the map can be shown on screen. On the same note, the map screen + MapDashboard ConnectIQ data field = just brilliant. th-cam.com/video/HCb7OFJqUj8/w-d-xo.html
Not a lot of money more. The 1040 is on sale at the moment at a few places for $795 (AUD), which puts it only barely more expensive than an 840.
Ordered it, now to sell the 530
It sounds like the 840 is faster than the 1040 when it comes to processor speed, can anyone confirm?
No notable difference when using them. If we could find out how to get into diagnostic mode maybe we could find out a little more about the differences. The basic benchmarking apps in ConnectIQ don’t reveal any differences (although those tests are limited).
Will this feature come to the edge explore 2?
No indication from Garmin it will.
@@gplama dagnabbit! Woulda been sweet.
how do you record the screen?
There's a hidden menu within beta firmware on x40 devices. It'll save a screenshot every 500ms. It's a real pain to record and incorporate into videos. :/
@@gplama yep. I tried the secret menu. No screen recording. Should we all using beta firmware, then? 😁 Thanks for responding.
Nice lovely
Hi 1030 plus users. I feel very disappointed as well. Just contacted Garmin customer service to directly express my dissatisfaction. I suggest you do the same if we want to change something. Cheers
Seems amazing that a hardware company such as garmin can still ship units in 2023 with that wonky software. I hope someone at Garmin realizes how much potential they give away to competitors (in terms of software). Garmin Connect could be so much more but yet they choose to not do anything with it. crazy
Garmin has always been good on hardware but crap on software
I'm on a windows PC and there are no instructions at all from Garmin on steps to take in prepping Edge 1040 to use Climbpro anywhere. So it's totally flying blind. There is nothing on how to delete maps etc. Disappointing and frustrating that an operator like Garmin can be so inept. I imagine right now there would be more Edge 1040's out in use than the just released 540 & 840. ARRRGH!!!!
They have outlines it in their beta program posts: forums.garmin.com/beta-program/edge-1040-series/f/announcements/330004/edge-1040-series-public-beta-17-09---live-important-note-in-change-log
I am honestly considering moving to Wahoo. I am just sick and tired of Garmin never adding features to “old” devices ( 1030 and 1030+ ). They claim those devices do not have the power to free ride climbers pro but somehow they can free ride sharp corner warning? BS.
Garmin: "Here's a new feature - that requires accurate grade representation - that the 1040 doesn't currently have!" 😅
Imhe that gradient display is non-intuitive and somewhat useless. I understand as gradient % decreases the display shows a down slope. But the rider is still going UP the hill, not down. So rather than see a downslope, I'd rather see the climb presented as it is on Veloviewer (and all other course analysis software.) So if I were to design this, the climb presented would show the contour of the hill, not the gradient. Especially since color is used to represent the latter anyway.
You need to copyright that anywhere, anytime
I'm sure I'll be served with legal documents from Germany for using that term at some random point in the future. I'm rightly screwed if the Wahoo Summit update includes chevrons in any form. 🤣
@@gplama great stuff Shane as always. Thank you for doing what you do.
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No reason to buy the new 840… 1040 is around the same price. Lol
The gradient lag issue is huge. Never mind climbpro. 1030 was fine, 1030+ and the 1040 are rubbish. They know it but wont fix it. Beta versions are no better. Garmin will take a hit on customer loyalty. i’m amazed you and DCRainmaker have not escalated this. Very odd. Those of us that live in hilly areas have been ripped off by garmin.
I’ve contributed feedback on this issue.
@@gplama thanks. Then I’m amazed garmin are ignoring us as customers