I really like these authentic comparison tests. The viewer can see for themselves how good each type of adhesive works. Thanks ! I am gluing a neoprene washer over a hole in the top of a steel drum. Will go with the 3M VHB tape.
In the 60's, my dad made a canvas boot to span between an aluminum home made camper and the back of the cab after he removed the rear window. The glue was brush on, grey of a thick consistency and came in a pint screw top can. It dried super strong with slight flexibility. When we tried to peel it off some weeks later, much of the adhesive stayed onto the painted surface of the truck but it was impossible to take off the aluminum. The glue never really fully dried as it would pull the hairs off my arm if I leaned heavy on it.
Very useful comparison, thanks! I recall at an old job using Loctite 480 (CA with microscopic rubber particles) for sticking rubber to stainless steel. We cleaned surfaces with alcohol before applying and it created very tough joints. I believe the rubber particles toughen the CA by acting as 'crack arrestors'. It's around £30 in the UK for a 20g bottle so not cheap, although many other brands of 'rubber toughened' super glues are now available online
I use 3m super weatherstrip adhesive in black to seal my rubber trunk and other seals in classic car builds. It holds up forever, well I never had one start coming off. It’s a good idea to use denatured alcohol or wearever brake kleen spray on a clean rag to clean both mating surfaces then apply.. Don’t use anything but wearever as it evaporates very fast and is not unpleasant like other brands which are comparable to nasty carb cleaner. I also use an incredible caulk gun sealant from BASF called Master seal NP 125. I’ve applied it directly to wood, metal, rubber and all other surfaces in my jack of all trades life. It’s by far my favorite sealer and it can be painted. For instance I just built a Jerry can holder out of mild steel to carry a 5 liter Jerry can on the back of my service van. To keep the cam from vibrating and chafing against the holder I cleaned the bare metal with brake kleen and applied the NP 125 directly to the steel. I then painted it a few days later after it dried and I filled some rough spots with bondo on my welds. The can rides super quiet in the holder and I know that stuff will stay for a very long time if not indefinitely.
@@panofish No problem. I love your bike by the way. My Dad cad a few older Yamahas back in the late 70’s….wish he hadn’t sold them. His cousin was big into bikes and has three Vincent black shadows.
Try GM weatherstrip adhesive and 3M plastic emblem adhesive the next time you test these. 3M 5200 Marine Adhesive may work if it will bond to rubber - it bonds to everything else. Thanks for a quick and interesting test of stuff that most of us have lying around, but had not really tested like you did.
Cool. Thank you very much. I have to glue the brass tube of the inlet rubber manifolds on my xj900. And after many considerations and other petrolheads recommendations, that confirm me that the Cyanoacrylate is really not a crazy idea.
Let me know how it turns out for you... I think it is also important to get a quality cyanoacrylate. And also they come in different thicknesses like thin, medium, thick... etc.
Been carrying the same Samsung A5 cellphone around for some 6 years. On day one I superglued small rounds cut out of roofing rubber known as epdm to the aluminium back to prevent sliding. It's by now rounded off but still on. Same to repair electric bicycle dash switches people operrate with their nails so they wear through. Covering cracks in plastic housing from tbe inside...rattling plastic mudguard holders...drip drip...set. Keep the little c.a. packages straigt up in a spray can cap and simply don''t screw the cap back on. Well, in a safe place that is. If you find this unsafe, whipe the package before you put the cap on and keep it upright just the same.
Why you did not go with CA Titebond if the worked the best? Furthermore, one should test which one is heat resistant as CA. Yet I wonder how can CA act on metal while originally it is for wood?
The main reason is because CA glue is a more permanent solution and is brittle. The 3M tape is easily removable and supple. Strength was not the main requirement for my use case. CA was not originally developed for only wood. It can be used on most surfaces. CA has found renewed life in the woodworking community in the last decade or so.
what glue would you use to secure rubber feet to a tripod holding heavy speakers or any equipment 40lbs or over.. just to make sure the rubber feet dont get lost and maybe to even add another layer of protection for your floors.
That depends. How often would these be moved? The strongest is to use a quality cyanoacrylate or super-glue. It won't come off, but over time it may show brittleness at the glue joint. I prefer 3M VHB double sided tape (or very high bond) because it is strong, flexible, replenishable, and less messy, but it is less strong than CA glue.
Ridiculous conclueion. Of these things, I have only tried JB Weld for rubber to Al. It does fail, but on rubber, not Al - as you say. I am still looking, but as of right now, from what you say, CA Glue is the best choice. A glue sends molecules into each surface to be bonded, like a weld. You chose a tape, an intermediating surface.
Still the best option for me was the 3m double sided tape, but the superglue is much stronger. I did have to replace the tape and rubber once... the rubber was kinda smashed but still holding on. I eventually decided I would keep the center stand off the bike except when doing oil changes. I like this best because the bike looks a little cleaner and I don't use the center stand anyone except when working on the bike.
Thanks for posting! I wonder if the results would have been better had you sanded the surfaces and wiped with alcohol? Thanks again! Have A Super Week!.....Gus
What glue would you recommend to use for rubber to a vent window lock?? (Which is metal) I want it to be able to withstand water and heat. Hope you answer, thanks a lot!
Thank you so much! Saved me a lot of trial and error. I had to join metal to rubber as strong as I could and I had no idea what was my best option. I looked up the VHB tape at the 3M website, FYI the one with the strongest shear strenght is black, the 5952 "family" of tapes, which has products 5906, 5907, 5908, 5909 (from thinnest to thickest, .006 to .012 inch). Thinnest would be best unless there is uneveness in the surfaces, then you might want thick. Per the site, you want to sand both surfaces lightly with a fine grit in small circular motions, then alcohol.
My objective and the point of my video was that the strongest glue isn't necessarily the best glue for the job. I chose the double sided tape because it was more easily reversible AND did not cause any damage to my paint.
Not in my use case. I did not want to ruin my motorcycle surfaces. I wanted an option that worked well and was reversible. Double sided tape was best for my use case.
Thanks for doing a real unbiased test. I need that.
Thanks... glad I could help.
taught me so much in the space of 20 minutes on your channel
You saved me a lot of trouble. Much appreciated
I really like these authentic comparison tests. The viewer can see for themselves how good each type of adhesive works. Thanks !
I am gluing a neoprene washer over a hole in the top of a steel drum. Will go with the 3M VHB tape.
In the 60's, my dad made a canvas boot to span between an aluminum home made camper and the back of the cab after he removed the rear window. The glue was brush on, grey of a thick consistency and came in a pint screw top can. It dried super strong with slight flexibility. When we tried to peel it off some weeks later, much of the adhesive stayed onto the painted surface of the truck but it was impossible to take off the aluminum. The glue never really fully dried as it would pull the hairs off my arm if I leaned heavy on it.
Sounds like good stuff. I wonder what it was. Probably something that would be considered industrial level and not commercially available.
Very useful comparison, thanks! I recall at an old job using Loctite 480 (CA with microscopic rubber particles) for sticking rubber to stainless steel. We cleaned surfaces with alcohol before applying and it created very tough joints. I believe the rubber particles toughen the CA by acting as 'crack arrestors'. It's around £30 in the UK for a 20g bottle so not cheap, although many other brands of 'rubber toughened' super glues are now available online
I use 3m super weatherstrip adhesive in black to seal my rubber trunk and other seals in classic car builds.
It holds up forever, well I never had one start coming off.
It’s a good idea to use denatured alcohol or wearever brake kleen spray on a clean rag to clean both mating surfaces then apply..
Don’t use anything but wearever as it evaporates very fast and is not unpleasant like other brands which are comparable to nasty carb cleaner.
I also use an incredible caulk gun sealant from BASF called Master seal NP 125.
I’ve applied it directly to wood, metal, rubber and all other surfaces in my jack of all trades life.
It’s by far my favorite sealer and it can be painted.
For instance I just built a Jerry can holder out of mild steel to carry a 5 liter Jerry can on the back of my service van.
To keep the cam from vibrating and chafing against the holder I cleaned the bare metal with brake kleen and applied the NP 125 directly to the steel.
I then painted it a few days later after it dried and I filled some rough spots with bondo on my welds.
The can rides super quiet in the holder and I know that stuff will stay for a very long time if not indefinitely.
Thanks for the great feedback. Like you, I am always looking for the best tools and products to solve problems. Appreciate it. :)
@@panofish
No problem.
I love your bike by the way.
My Dad cad a few older Yamahas back in the late 70’s….wish he hadn’t sold them.
His cousin was big into bikes and has three Vincent black shadows.
Try GM weatherstrip adhesive and 3M plastic emblem adhesive the next time you test these. 3M 5200 Marine Adhesive may work if it will bond to rubber - it bonds to everything else. Thanks for a quick and interesting test of stuff that most of us have lying around, but had not really tested like you did.
Cool. Thank you very much. I have to glue the brass tube of the inlet rubber manifolds on my xj900. And after many considerations and other petrolheads recommendations, that confirm me that the Cyanoacrylate is really not a crazy idea.
Let me know how it turns out for you... I think it is also important to get a quality cyanoacrylate. And also they come in different thicknesses like thin, medium, thick... etc.
probably gonna use the CA glue judging on YOUR expirement
You need a flexible CA glue like Permabond 2050 and POP primer.
Thanks.. I will test it next chance I get.
Been carrying the same Samsung A5 cellphone around for some 6 years. On day one I superglued small rounds cut out of roofing rubber known as epdm to the aluminium back to prevent sliding. It's by now rounded off but still on. Same to repair electric bicycle dash switches people operrate with their nails so they wear through. Covering cracks in plastic housing from tbe inside...rattling plastic mudguard holders...drip drip...set.
Keep the little c.a. packages straigt up in a spray can cap and simply don''t screw the cap back on. Well, in a safe place that is. If you find this unsafe, whipe the package before you put the cap on and keep it upright just the same.
Why you did not go with CA Titebond if the worked the best? Furthermore, one should test which one is heat resistant as CA. Yet I wonder how can CA act on metal while originally it is for wood?
The main reason is because CA glue is a more permanent solution and is brittle. The 3M tape is easily removable and supple. Strength was not the main requirement for my use case. CA was not originally developed for only wood. It can be used on most surfaces. CA has found renewed life in the woodworking community in the last decade or so.
Which would seal a water leak best? In a car for instance?
Thanks for that compartison. I was 'pulling' for the Contact cement. Wonder about the Gorilla glue product??
what glue would you use to secure rubber feet to a tripod holding heavy speakers or any equipment 40lbs or over.. just to make sure the rubber feet dont get lost and maybe to even add another layer of protection for your floors.
That depends. How often would these be moved? The strongest is to use a quality cyanoacrylate or super-glue. It won't come off, but over time it may show brittleness at the glue joint. I prefer 3M VHB double sided tape (or very high bond) because it is strong, flexible, replenishable, and less messy, but it is less strong than CA glue.
I need a product that does not dry hard like super glue. these are mobile and used several times a week.
I had the same requirement and ultimately chose the 3M VHB double sided tape. It's very strong and easily replaceable if need be.
Ridiculous conclueion. Of these things, I have only tried JB Weld for rubber to Al. It does fail, but on rubber, not Al - as you say. I am still looking, but as of right now, from what you say, CA Glue is the best choice. A glue sends molecules into each surface to be bonded, like a weld. You chose a tape, an intermediating surface.
Did you sand and clean both aluminum and rubber .
Yes
scuffing both surfaces would have given more surface area and a better bond for everything tested
Possibly true, but the relative results would have been the same. The VHB tape however, is still best with a smoother surface.
panofish I'm not so sure the relative results would have been the same. but I'm not in the position to try. haha. thanks for doing the tests
Based on your test I chose CA, and the results were perfect
+drysori I'm glad you found it useful :)
Very interesting and useful clip, thank you for sharing
I'm rebuilding a gas pedal for a 50s chevy COE and I'll probably be using my 3m contact glue. But if not I'll probably use some double sided tape
Yup, I think a high quality contact glue... like 3M Neoprene High Performance Contact Adhesive 1357, might be a great choice.
How did it hold up? I am about to do the same thing for my side stand on my bike
Still the best option for me was the 3m double sided tape, but the superglue is much stronger. I did have to replace the tape and rubber once... the rubber was kinda smashed but still holding on. I eventually decided I would keep the center stand off the bike except when doing oil changes. I like this best because the bike looks a little cleaner and I don't use the center stand anyone except when working on the bike.
3m or permatex weatherstrip adhesive. it was created specifically for gluing rubber to metal. any good auto parts store should have some.
Cheers mate, great test...
Great video. Thanks for making it.
Thanks Kevin.. appreciated.
Very professional and informative.
Thanks for posting! I wonder if the results would have been better had you sanded the surfaces and wiped with alcohol? Thanks again! Have A Super Week!.....Gus
I can't say for certain, but my gut tells me it wouldn't have made a significant relative difference between the different adhesives.
What glue would you recommend to use for rubber to a vent window lock?? (Which is metal) I want it to be able to withstand water and heat. Hope you answer, thanks a lot!
assuming the vent window lock is made of metal then I would use the 3M VHB (Very High Bond) double sided tape. :)
panofish thank you so much! :)
Nice video and a good test.
This should be labeled as ASMR. Very relaxing
LOL. I get that a lot. That and the fact that my voice reminds people of Bob Ross. :)
Sounds good, but how do I reveal whole text and print as hardcopy?
Nice test, but your should have prepped both surfaces with some sandpaper
The final goal was to attach to rubber to my motorcycle. I did not want to sandpaper that :)
Nothing sticks to aluminum unless you treat it first. You need to either anodize the aluminum, or do a conversion coating on it before gluing.
“The greatest caulk in the world”.....😆
That is not what I heard the first time I saw the video
That's what she said.
Requested Follow-UP on how did it work for You ? now 9-2024 11 years Ago.
You didn't show the results of the super glue.
at 3 minutes 53 seconds :)
Check 3:52 in the video.
Thank you so much! Saved me a lot of trial and error. I had to join metal to rubber as strong as I could and I had no idea what was my best option. I looked up the VHB tape at the 3M website, FYI the one with the strongest shear strenght is black, the 5952 "family" of tapes, which has products 5906, 5907, 5908, 5909 (from thinnest to thickest, .006 to .012 inch). Thinnest would be best unless there is uneveness in the surfaces, then you might want thick. Per the site, you want to sand both surfaces lightly with a fine grit in small circular motions, then alcohol.
+linzerpa Great additional information!
4:40 That's what she said
Nice bike
Try Sikaflex (aka Tiger Seal), sticks like sh*t to a blanket.
You should have abraded the aluminium first!
Ok. Superglue clear winner but you go with something else. Got it.
My objective and the point of my video was that the strongest glue isn't necessarily the best glue for the job. I chose the double sided tape because it was more easily reversible AND did not cause any damage to my paint.
You didn't prepare the surfaces at all. . Pretty useless test overall
Not in my use case. I did not want to ruin my motorcycle surfaces. I wanted an option that worked well and was reversible. Double sided tape was best for my use case.
shame they all failed
superglue held quite well actually and the 3m vhb tape was not bad, especially if you want to be able to undo.