With most EV’s getting 250-300 miles of range and like the EV9 able to put 200 miles of range in 1/2 hour or less, road trips of 400 to 500 miles each way are no sweat. Went from central NJ to Cape Cod (400 miles) with one 1/2 hour charge at EA charger in our VW ID.4 and it was a stress free experience. Still had 50 miles of range on the car when we arrived. You just need a bit of planning and need to educate yourself about EV’s. Tom’s State of Charge channel is a must view for anyone transitioning from an ICE car to an EV.
Thanks for showing the screen that showed the time require between an 800V charger and the 400V charger. 23 minutes for the 800 and a whopping 1h 25m for the 400v charger.
Kia software is very similar for all models. I rented a Kia Niro at Hertz last month and it would not accept 48 amps AC charging. I had to lower it to 60% when even 90% failed after 10 minutes. This week, I rented another Niro and this one works fine at 48A. That first Kia must have had an onboard charger defect.
So helpful. Thanks. I took out the middle row seats in my Kia EV nine. I’m guesstimating roughly 200 to 220 pounds minimum. Curious to see the increase in range if any. Want more room for ski season outdoor adventures.
So helpful. Thanks. I took out the middle row seats in my Kia EV nine. I’m guesstimating roughly 200 to 220 pounds minimum. Curious to see the increase in range if any. Want more room for ski season outdoor adventures. Sure wish some OEM would make an SUV with no front seat center console. They are such a pain in the ass.
Coming from a Tesla, I'm curious to know how much of this you can do through your phone app? Also, is there any reason you need a NACS to J1772 adapter? Why not just buy the NACS to CCS1 adapter? Won't that work for AC charging as well?
Tom please do more videos on the Equinox EV. If they can really sell the base model for 27K, that will be the EV to have. I'm very curious about the charge curves and all that for it.
Thanks for the charging curves. I'm confused about the charging rate. Can the EV-9 charge at 350kW as the chart @time 21:40 suggests? As an aside, the term "NACS" has crept into our usage, much like "charger" has instead of EVSE. Even Plugshare uses the term NACS. Of course, the official SAE standard is J3400 but I'm afraid it's too late to try to change the general public's vocabulary.
No, I list the maximum charging rates on that slide. The charger needs to be a 350 kW charger though, in order to deliver the power the EV9 will call for, though.
I basically use my L1 charger to compensate for the pull from the battery to charge the Wi-Fi server in the car and so forth. So basically, I don’t lose anything overnight from that activity.
Interesting your portable chargers even the 15A one is much less than my granny charger which is a 15A charger and I get about 14.7A but I am in a 240V country so get about 3.4kW and use it on my 64.8kWh 2024 Kona and is fine for my needs.
By code in North America home plugs need to be 15A rated but continuous loads are limited to 80% of the circuit rating. So while the plug can output 1800W something like an EVSE that is designed to run for hours it's limited to 12A or 1500W. We do have 240V electrical service here, and things like stoves, electric heaters, clothes dryers, all run at 240V. Lots of people just don't have 240V near where they park though, unless their laundry is in or near their garage. The same 80% limits applies to 240V circuits, so if you want to have a 48A EVSE you need a 60A rated circuit.
A dealership broke the charge port lock on my I-Pace right before I picked it up by trying to forcibly unplug it. Be careful with those charge port lock settings.
I’m seeing in the EV9 user manual that the OBC can accommodate up to 10.9kw. That’ll top you out around 45 amps. I fear that 48 amps will burn out the OBC. Thoughts?
The vehicle calls for the power - it doesn't matter if the charging equipment can deliver more, the car won't accept it. So you don't have to worry about charging on a charger that can deliver more power than your EV can accept, because it simply won't accept it.
@@fiehlsport that’s great to know. I first delivered 48amps to the car on a ChargePoint Home Flex. I was charging around 11.3kw. I got nervous so I pushed the ChargePoint down to 40amps. Now it’s charging at 9.5 amps. Maybe I’ll bump it back up.
I found it strange to hear you say the majority of ev users use lvl2 instead of lvl1. On the rare occasion I miss plugging in 10-12hours on 120volts there's still a large reserve in the battery and if i really need to top up, i go to a dc station.
I would say Tom is right. I use a NEMA 14-50 240v outlet to charge my EV. Reduces that 10-12 hour charge time you experience down to 2-3 hours. Nearest DC station to me is over a 20 mile round trip and costs 3x more than the electric rate at my home.
Biggest perk of EV ownership is being able to charge at home. Our culture needs to rethink how we fuel our cars. Going to a fuel station is not the future, IMO
If you are highly disappointed receiving a level 1 charger with an EV9, join my club. I bought a loaded EQS 580 paying $133K and MB supports their big battery with a nearly useless level 1 charger. I tried it once to confirm it delivers a paltry 3-4 mi/hr. Both of these EVs should ship with a combo level 1 & 2 charger. Tesla, the #1 EV vendor can get away with not providing a charger. Other vendors need to offer more.
What happens whan it's -20C outside and you have to heat the battery along with charging, how much impact on charging is there? The other thing to mention ia public AC charging is almost always 208V, so a 32A as 6.6kW instead of 7.7kW.
There's not a simple answer to that. Every car acts differently, and that's a big difference if the vehicle was cold-soaked in that temperature overnight vs if you drove it for a few hours and then plugged in. Same temperature, different results. Correct about the AC public chargers. That's why @11:49 I split the difference and said 7 kW. Most people would never notice the slightly less power.
The L1 charger that KIA gives you, is it a dual voltage one where you could buy the 240v, nema 14-50 plug? If not that is a waste of parts. No one to few people are going to survive on L1 charging.
A lady with a Volvo XC40 Recharge left her EV locked onto the only working Level 2 free charger in a 30 mile radius for 3 days over a weekend (Fri-Sun). Soooo pissed over that level of selfishness and lack of concern for one’s fellow human.
It is best to have a dedicated L2 charger hardwired and keep a charger in the vehicle. A circuit has to be installed for a L2 in most situations so a fixed L2 installation makes sense for many users. I agree that it would be best to have the original sourced option with the L1/L2 charger and that could be used where and when it is appropriate. ✅
I love the EV9 and it would be perfect for our family but the wife would never deal with this 'complexity'. I'm interested when wireless EV charging comes to the home. Wife pulls in garage and car chargers (based on programming/time-of-use settings). Wife gets out and deals with kids and groceries and not the EV plug. This is just my 'real-world' as I see it. YMMV.
If she does drive a whole lot you could plug it in when you get home from work and unplug it for her in your way out in the morning 😂 it would probably give her enough range. No need to always be charging it for most people.
We own two EV’s now (Tesla 3 and VW ID4) and our first was a 2011 Nissan Leaf which my wife drove. I always plug in the EV’s at night. My wife hasn’t been to a gas station in 13 years. She says the best thing about them is you never have to go to a gas station. With most EV’s now with 250-300 miles of range there is probably no reason you would have to charge it in outside the home for daily driving. Since I always handle the charging, it’s like my wife has a chauffeur to go and get gas for her.😂
What’s taking these companies so long adapting to NACS? I would never buy a non Tesla for this reason. Don’t want to mess with adapters. I rented a Kia EV6 what a nightmare charging. Being on vacation I don’t want to waste time finding charging options
Actually wish we'd gone the way the rest of the world is with CCS, CCS2 specifically. Especially considering Telseas punny little 400V chargers...I'll be avoiding them with my EV9.
@@wtnman4783 CCS Isn’t reliable better to use them even if it’s a little slower. Never had issues with Tesla driving cross country three times. Average stop was 20 minutes
@@sprockkets it sure does. Electrify America is garbage! I rented a EV 6 on vacation and had to go to three different locations before I found one that works. If it had a NACS PLUG I’d have no issue. There wasn’t an adapter provided by Avis so I had no choice! Also software in the Kia I couldn’t figure it out. Had to use my phone to find chargers. Couldn’t precondition battery. Couldn’t figure it out. Tesla is so much easier period. Kia should buy the software system Tesla uses
Tom, my god, EVSE'S are Not fing chargers. They are Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment... they ONLY supply AC current to the vehicles onboard AC charger that is in the vehicle. A person cannot just buy a 19.2kw "charger " / EVSE and "charge" a Kia EV9. For someone who claims to be charging guru, you are Missing the mark by nit calling EVSE'S what they are. It's just a smart extension cord with a connector. It's NOT A CHARGER. You should be calling EVSE'S the correct terms so new ev buyers are not misinformed, regardless of what others may call them. Use the facts and correct terms. Be the bigger person and fight the fud.😊 Most other channels (even Kyle and Dominick) call EVSE'S... EVSE'S as they are NOT Fing chargers. People who use or teach others the wrong terms just look stupid. A mechanic would not tell you the "carburetor" is faulty when you have Electronic Fuel Injection. Terms and facts matter.
Thanks for the comment. I've explained many times why I refer to them as chargers and thoroughly explained the EVSE/charger nomenclatures. The ship has sailed for the general public calling them EVSE, it's a term they don't know, understand or search for. Years ago the companies that sell them called them EVSE on their websites, but they all changed and now refer to them as chargers, charging stations, wallbox or charging equipment. Look it up - go to all of the websites of all of the companies that sell them and you'll see none of them call the EVSE. Why? because the general public doesn't know or search for that term. I'll continue to refer to the as chargers, but also from time to time explain in my videos what they really are and that the actual charger is built into the car.
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Tom you are such a resource for nurds like me, keep up the great content!
Thanks for the info! We just picked up an EV9 GTline this week and loving it so far.
Nice. We have the Land and love it also.
With most EV’s getting 250-300 miles of range and like the EV9 able to put 200 miles of range in 1/2 hour or less, road trips of 400 to 500 miles each way are no sweat. Went from central NJ to Cape Cod (400 miles) with one 1/2 hour charge at EA charger in our VW ID.4 and it was a stress free experience. Still had 50 miles of range on the car when we arrived. You just need a bit of planning and need to educate yourself about EV’s. Tom’s State of Charge channel is a must view for anyone transitioning from an ICE car to an EV.
Great video as always Tom! On your way to 100 k!
Very thorough, concise explanations and uses real world examples. One of the best instructional videos I've seen! Thank you for your hard work!
Thank you for the compliment and for the $$😃
Thanks for showing the screen that showed the time require between an 800V charger and the 400V charger. 23 minutes for the 800 and a whopping 1h 25m for the 400v charger.
Thanks for the information. Excellent video!
Great video
Thanks Tom
Tom, many thanks for putting all that thorough effort and broad context into these reviews!
Thank you! Much appreciated
what a great and informative video. Thank you so much. What do you typically keep your AC Charging Limit at?
Kia software is very similar for all models. I rented a Kia Niro at Hertz last month and it would not accept 48 amps AC charging. I had to lower it to 60% when even 90% failed after 10 minutes. This week, I rented another Niro and this one works fine at 48A. That first Kia must have had an onboard charger defect.
So helpful. Thanks. I took out the middle row seats in my Kia EV nine. I’m guesstimating roughly 200 to 220 pounds minimum. Curious to see the increase in range if any. Want more room for ski season outdoor adventures.
Thanks for this greatly educational video. What charger for the EV 9 do you recommend to use on a NEMA 14-30 outlet?
So helpful. Thanks. I took out the middle row seats in my Kia EV nine. I’m guesstimating roughly 200 to 220 pounds minimum. Curious to see the increase in range if any. Want more room for ski season outdoor adventures. Sure wish some OEM would make an SUV with no front seat center console. They are such a pain in the ass.
Especially the trucks. America isn’t America without a pickup with a front bench seat and a loyal dog as copilot!
There are some EVs that already have removable consoles. VW buzz is one that comes to mind.
Coming from a Tesla, I'm curious to know how much of this you can do through your phone app? Also, is there any reason you need a NACS to J1772 adapter? Why not just buy the NACS to CCS1 adapter? Won't that work for AC charging as well?
Tom please do more videos on the Equinox EV. If they can really sell the base model for 27K, that will be the EV to have. I'm very curious about the charge curves and all that for it.
I'm working on a lot of recordings
Spoiler alert, the charge curve stinks for a 2024, 2025 model. It should start at $30k , not $35k, with its charging.
@@gregpochet4812 I have a 2024 but I never Supercharge so I love the car. But I would still like to see the tests.
Thanks for the charging curves. I'm confused about the charging rate. Can the EV-9 charge at 350kW as the chart @time 21:40 suggests?
As an aside, the term "NACS" has crept into our usage, much like "charger" has instead of EVSE. Even Plugshare uses the term NACS. Of course, the official SAE standard is J3400 but I'm afraid it's too late to try to change the general public's vocabulary.
No. You need a so called 350kw charger because those can feed up to 1000v, which the EV9 needs because it is over 400v battery voltage.
No, I list the maximum charging rates on that slide. The charger needs to be a 350 kW charger though, in order to deliver the power the EV9 will call for, though.
What is easier to say "NACS" or "J3400"? That's why.
I basically use my L1 charger to compensate for the pull from the battery to charge the Wi-Fi server in the car and so forth. So basically, I don’t lose anything overnight from that activity.
…and thus keep the 12volt unused/full..
Interesting your portable chargers even the 15A one is much less than my granny charger which is a 15A charger and I get about 14.7A but I am in a 240V country so get about 3.4kW and use it on my 64.8kWh 2024 Kona and is fine for my needs.
By code in North America home plugs need to be 15A rated but continuous loads are limited to 80% of the circuit rating. So while the plug can output 1800W something like an EVSE that is designed to run for hours it's limited to 12A or 1500W.
We do have 240V electrical service here, and things like stoves, electric heaters, clothes dryers, all run at 240V. Lots of people just don't have 240V near where they park though, unless their laundry is in or near their garage.
The same 80% limits applies to 240V circuits, so if you want to have a 48A EVSE you need a 60A rated circuit.
A dealership broke the charge port lock on my I-Pace right before I picked it up by trying to forcibly unplug it. Be careful with those charge port lock settings.
I’m seeing in the EV9 user manual that the OBC can accommodate up to 10.9kw. That’ll top you out around 45 amps. I fear that 48 amps will burn out the OBC. Thoughts?
The vehicle calls for the power - it doesn't matter if the charging equipment can deliver more, the car won't accept it. So you don't have to worry about charging on a charger that can deliver more power than your EV can accept, because it simply won't accept it.
My EV9 pulls 11.2kW. Has been solid since May 2024 with no faults, on the latest firmware for the ICCU.
@@fiehlsport that’s great to know. I first delivered 48amps to the car on a ChargePoint Home Flex. I was charging around 11.3kw. I got nervous so I pushed the ChargePoint down to 40amps. Now it’s charging at 9.5 amps. Maybe I’ll bump it back up.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney thanks for the reply. I wondered why the car would charge at a rate higher than it says in the manual.
I found it strange to hear you say the majority of ev users use lvl2 instead of lvl1. On the rare occasion I miss plugging in 10-12hours on 120volts there's still a large reserve in the battery and if i really need to top up, i go to a dc station.
I know some people make L1 work, but you definitely aren't in the majority😀
I would say Tom is right. I use a NEMA 14-50 240v outlet to charge my EV. Reduces that 10-12 hour charge time you experience down to 2-3 hours. Nearest DC station to me is over a 20 mile round trip and costs 3x more than the electric rate at my home.
Biggest perk of EV ownership is being able to charge at home. Our culture needs to rethink how we fuel our cars. Going to a fuel station is not the future, IMO
If you are highly disappointed receiving a level 1 charger with an EV9, join my club. I bought a loaded EQS 580 paying $133K and MB supports their big battery with a nearly useless level 1 charger. I tried it once to confirm it delivers a paltry 3-4 mi/hr.
Both of these EVs should ship with a combo level 1 & 2 charger. Tesla, the #1 EV vendor can get away with not providing a charger. Other vendors need to offer more.
What happens whan it's -20C outside and you have to heat the battery along with charging, how much impact on charging is there?
The other thing to mention ia public AC charging is almost always 208V, so a 32A as 6.6kW instead of 7.7kW.
There's not a simple answer to that. Every car acts differently, and that's a big difference if the vehicle was cold-soaked in that temperature overnight vs if you drove it for a few hours and then plugged in. Same temperature, different results.
Correct about the AC public chargers. That's why @11:49 I split the difference and said 7 kW. Most people would never notice the slightly less power.
The L1 charger that KIA gives you, is it a dual voltage one where you could buy the 240v, nema 14-50 plug? If not that is a waste of parts. No one to few people are going to survive on L1 charging.
No, it's not. But it's not meant for the owner to survive on it. They expect you to get a better unit and keep this in the vehicle for occasional use.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks for the info. .
A lady with a Volvo XC40 Recharge left her EV locked onto the only working Level 2 free charger in a 30 mile radius for 3 days over a weekend (Fri-Sun). Soooo pissed over that level of selfishness and lack of concern for one’s fellow human.
SAE, NACS owner, says NACS means North American Charging System.
Potato, patato😁
I was surprised when I got the Ev9 with that crappy L1 charger...Urgg. The different is cost probably nothing if they keep the L2.
Agreed, I would have paid an extra $50 if they swapped the L1 to a L2. I find an L1 charger a waste of time and space.
It is best to have a dedicated L2 charger hardwired and keep a charger in the vehicle. A circuit has to be installed for a L2 in most situations so a fixed L2 installation makes sense for many users. I agree that it would be best to have the original sourced option with the L1/L2 charger and that could be used where and when it is appropriate. ✅
Plus, if you're doing a plugged L2 there's two different types of plugs depending on your 240 outlet amperage.
Just hope Project Juniper delivers to its spacious promise!
I love the EV9 and it would be perfect for our family but the wife would never deal with this 'complexity'. I'm interested when wireless EV charging comes to the home. Wife pulls in garage and car chargers (based on programming/time-of-use settings). Wife gets out and deals with kids and groceries and not the EV plug. This is just my 'real-world' as I see it. YMMV.
If she does drive a whole lot you could plug it in when you get home from work and unplug it for her in your way out in the morning 😂 it would probably give her enough range. No need to always be charging it for most people.
@@Eric-xq4dy real world inconveniences 😂
We own two EV’s now (Tesla 3 and VW ID4) and our first was a 2011 Nissan Leaf which my wife drove. I always plug in the EV’s at night. My wife hasn’t been to a gas station in 13 years. She says the best thing about them is you never have to go to a gas station. With most EV’s now with 250-300 miles of range there is probably no reason you would have to charge it in outside the home for daily driving. Since I always handle the charging, it’s like my wife has a chauffeur to go and get gas for her.😂
My 5 year old plugs in my Kia Niro. I pay her $0.50 each day to do it.
How is plugging in a cord more complex than pumping fuel?
What’s taking these companies so long adapting to NACS? I would never buy a non Tesla for this reason. Don’t want to mess with adapters. I rented a Kia EV6 what a nightmare charging. Being on vacation I don’t want to waste time finding charging options
2025 models
Actually wish we'd gone the way the rest of the world is with CCS, CCS2 specifically. Especially considering Telseas punny little 400V chargers...I'll be avoiding them with my EV9.
@@wtnman4783 CCS Isn’t reliable better to use them even if it’s a little slower. Never had issues with Tesla driving cross country three times. Average stop was 20 minutes
@@Anthony__420 reliability had nothing to do with the plug.
@@sprockkets it sure does. Electrify America is garbage! I rented a EV 6 on vacation and had to go to three different locations before I found one that works. If it had a NACS PLUG I’d have no issue. There wasn’t an adapter provided by Avis so I had no choice! Also software in the Kia I couldn’t figure it out. Had to use my phone to find chargers. Couldn’t precondition battery. Couldn’t figure it out. Tesla is so much easier period. Kia should buy the software system Tesla uses
Tom, my god, EVSE'S are Not fing chargers. They are Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment... they ONLY supply AC current to the vehicles onboard AC charger that is in the vehicle. A person cannot just buy a 19.2kw "charger " / EVSE and "charge" a Kia EV9. For someone who claims to be charging guru, you are Missing the mark by nit calling EVSE'S what they are. It's just a smart extension cord with a connector. It's NOT A CHARGER. You should be calling EVSE'S the correct terms so new ev buyers are not misinformed, regardless of what others may call them. Use the facts and correct terms. Be the bigger person and fight the fud.😊 Most other channels (even Kyle and Dominick) call EVSE'S... EVSE'S as they are NOT Fing chargers. People who use or teach others the wrong terms just look stupid. A mechanic would not tell you the "carburetor" is faulty when you have Electronic Fuel Injection. Terms and facts matter.
Thanks for the comment. I've explained many times why I refer to them as chargers and thoroughly explained the EVSE/charger nomenclatures.
The ship has sailed for the general public calling them EVSE, it's a term they don't know, understand or search for. Years ago the companies that sell them called them EVSE on their websites, but they all changed and now refer to them as chargers, charging stations, wallbox or charging equipment. Look it up - go to all of the websites of all of the companies that sell them and you'll see none of them call the EVSE.
Why? because the general public doesn't know or search for that term.
I'll continue to refer to the as chargers, but also from time to time explain in my videos what they really are and that the actual charger is built into the car.
Take a deep breath. It’s not that serious. Go touch some grass.