Also, because of the wording of Grim Demeanour (Servitors become part of the unit) the Unit gets a +1 to hit if below starting strength, this DOES include the servitors
They normally would anyway. But with the wording if you attach a tech priest to the dkok, the servitors become a part of the bodyguard unit. So if the unit gets wiped, should you choose to bring them.back the servitors also come back too.
also becuase of the fireing deck rule you could make a transport model with firing deck like a super heavy or chimera have even more shots as they count as being equiped with those weapons, you can have a chimera with 2 multimeltas, or a storm lord with even more heavy bolters
I comment this for my own understanding of how you can use the servitor's and alter their shooting : 1. Techpriest + Servitors -> 5+ to hit (BS ans WS of weapons improved by 1) 2. TE + Servitors attached to a squad that receive "Take Aim" -> 4+ to hit (BS of the weapon's of the unit is improved by +1 again), in the rules commentary, it is precisely said that straight modifier stack on the unit charecteristics. 3. The unit the servitors combined with is a Death Korp of krieg unit below starting stenght -> 3+ to hit (+1 to the hit roll, which you can't have more than one time) OR The unit is stationnary, -> 3+ to hit with the HEAVY ability of the weapon. (don't stack with the ability "grim demeanour" of the death korps) EDIT. I read the rules commentary about modifier, and what I wrote here stand valid until someone argue otherwise with a clear reference (Book/pdf + page)
If you are attaching to a regular guardsme squad, I think going full hbs is probably the best play. Lethal + sustained hits on that many hbs will set off a significant number of procs and they aren't killing themselves. put 2 hb in guard squad, put 1 in commad squad and go full hb serivtors. let them reroll ones with scout sentinel and if you bringing exterminator they are going to be ap -2 or 3 if you do overlapping as well.
Using servitors as combat drones I guess is fine if you have no other models but what I was disappointed to see is that servitors do not in any way increase an Enginseer's ability to make repairs. Now if they helped make an Enginseer better I can see a real use for them but not as combat drone.
@@nklinef Should defenitly add a bodyguard to it for added shits and giggles, but are you saying it's 34 models without the bodyguard? What am I missing?
@@mathiasmoller1989 My bad, I miscounted😅 Forgot the Attaché is only 3. But with the OBG you get 34 models, 46 wounds, which I can't think of any other unit in the game that has that many wounds.
and the beautiful thing is with that many models, you pose a real challenge for most things to remove this unit, and with that many special weapons and born soldiers it still poses a threat to basically anything in the game.
I wonder if its worh sending the little guys out by themselves. They are only 35 points and could probably hold a home objective, or come in from reserves to do a secondary task. I know fishing for sixes is unreliable, but 35 points for somthing that might work seems like an alright trade. Thoughts?
So because the servitors are part of the blob, if you join them to krieg blobs you medic them back up to keep the shooting out and you have 2 bodies you can just dump for wounds when you first take casualties also triggering your plus 1 to hit even when moving
I know that AdMech already exist as an army. But now I'm imagining a Guard force of servitorized humans given guns and sent forward to die in battle. Either as an emergency measure, as a way to deal with insubordinate/rebellious companies/soldiers, or in battles so bleak even Kriegsmen break and stop fighting. Just tons of Enginseers, their retinues of "full" Servitors, and tons of soldiers with basic servitor implants to make them compliant. These aren't your trained Skitarii forces. These are "what if you need to field tons of bodies and can't even take a couple weeks for basic training".
honestly I really like the idea of a retinue squad for the other standard characters that get a bonus when led by their guy. They can improve the power of a character but keep the theme that the guard is just made up of mostly normal people. For example you could have the commissar leading a bunch of commissar cadets. Primaris psyker leading wyrdvane who he can dump failed hazardous tests into. Preachers can get zealots with flamers or eviscerators for a bit of anti horde or anti elite infanty
Unfortunately, I don't think you cant get them to BS 3+. "A Hit roll can never be modified by more than -1 or +1." (BRB, pg 21.) So with an Enginseer the best they can get is a 4+ BS. Still nothing to scoff at.
+1 to hit and +1 to ballistic skill stack, but thats the max so you can get +1 from krieg, enginseer and heavy, but you can max out at a +2 on technicality
Would appreciate an update on your opinion after gw shafted the first born. Are you still sticking to alternative sources for models, or 2nd hand models? Would you consider a tips video for buying 2nd hand models, either from you FLGS or eBay for those of us who don’t want to get burned? Just got my OG marines from Battle for Macragge era out of the deep vaults, but don’t want to give money to GW since they give so few shits about the community
Ok the fact they can join squads with engineers does make them pretty nice , you won me over my two units of them sounds better than they’ve been for awhile now. I really like these combined squads we have access to. The Devil may be in the details indeed.
first I wanted to say no, because the medipack mentions "DK troopers" but that is not a keyword and servitors become otherwise part of the unit, so it should work. this make them + engineseer a viable replacement for the psyker. you can use their improved save to tank shots and with "take cover" and actual cover, you can get on 2+ with them. that is quite some armor for a squishy unit. this also means you can overcharge with impunity because you can just get them back up, if they fizzle.
@@johnj.spurgin7037 the bodyguard rule is like the same as servitors: they join a commandsquad and increase the starting strength for the rest of thr battle. same as attachés.
Yes you can. Take Aim improves the ballistic skill, mind lock improves the hit roll. They stack. It's the same reason Take Aim and Heavy stack together.
@@jamesloder8652 yes it does lol. Rules commentary. There's a complete sections on modified characteristics and specifically says you cannot improve or reduce by more than +/-1
So, he puts his voice into the machine and lets AI make a video, and now he (it) says servitors are good... k.. I'll just keep pretending he isn't having the AI make video after video.
Also, because of the wording of Grim Demeanour (Servitors become part of the unit) the Unit gets a +1 to hit if below starting strength, this DOES include the servitors
Put it simply, (below starting strength)Kriegers + Servitors can still benefit of the +1 even if HEAVY weapons moved, SERVITORS S TIER CONFIRMED
They normally would anyway. But with the wording if you attach a tech priest to the dkok, the servitors become a part of the bodyguard unit. So if the unit gets wiped, should you choose to bring them.back the servitors also come back too.
also becuase of the fireing deck rule you could make a transport model with firing deck like a super heavy or chimera have even more shots as they count as being equiped with those weapons, you can have a chimera with 2 multimeltas, or a storm lord with even more heavy bolters
I comment this for my own understanding of how you can use the servitor's and alter their shooting :
1. Techpriest + Servitors -> 5+ to hit (BS ans WS of weapons improved by 1)
2. TE + Servitors attached to a squad that receive "Take Aim" -> 4+ to hit (BS of the weapon's of the unit is improved by +1 again), in the rules commentary, it is precisely said that straight modifier stack on the unit charecteristics.
3. The unit the servitors combined with is a Death Korp of krieg unit below starting stenght -> 3+ to hit (+1 to the hit roll, which you can't have more than one time)
OR
The unit is stationnary, -> 3+ to hit with the HEAVY ability of the weapon. (don't stack with the ability "grim demeanour" of the death korps)
EDIT. I read the rules commentary about modifier, and what I wrote here stand valid until someone argue otherwise with a clear reference (Book/pdf + page)
Core rulebook page 21, making attack, hitroll: A Hit roll can never be modified by more than -1 or +1.
@@danaliet dude x) Did you even read ?
THE ROLL can only modified by a +1/-1, not the Ballistic Skill of the model!
If you are attaching to a regular guardsme squad, I think going full hbs is probably the best play. Lethal + sustained hits on that many hbs will set off a significant number of procs and they aren't killing themselves. put 2 hb in guard squad, put 1 in commad squad and go full hb serivtors. let them reroll ones with scout sentinel and if you bringing exterminator they are going to be ap -2 or 3 if you do overlapping as well.
yeah they can really add a chunk of firepower to a backline squad
Using servitors as combat drones I guess is fine if you have no other models but what I was disappointed to see is that servitors do not in any way increase an Enginseer's ability to make repairs. Now if they helped make an Enginseer better I can see a real use for them but not as combat drone.
Nice Combo dident think about it. I run full Tempestus so I can add in more plasma and they get re-roll to hit when I fire on a unit on a objectif.
Should stick some attachés in there as well to make a 33 man brick 😁
*34 and more importantly 40 wounds! Add in an Ogryn bodyguard with a slabshield and you have a 47(!) wound unit!!!
Stick the whole block in a Hades breaching drill
@@nklinef Should defenitly add a bodyguard to it for added shits and giggles, but are you saying it's 34 models without the bodyguard? What am I missing?
@@mathiasmoller1989 My bad, I miscounted😅
Forgot the Attaché is only 3. But with the OBG you get 34 models, 46 wounds, which I can't think of any other unit in the game that has that many wounds.
and the beautiful thing is with that many models, you pose a real challenge for most things to remove this unit, and with that many special weapons and born soldiers it still poses a threat to basically anything in the game.
I wonder if its worh sending the little guys out by themselves. They are only 35 points and could probably hold a home objective, or come in from reserves to do a secondary task. I know fishing for sixes is unreliable, but 35 points for somthing that might work seems like an alright trade. Thoughts?
As their BS and WS get improved at the start of the game, would they retain the +1 to both when using firing deck in chimera??
8 servitors in a 10man blob is such a chad dirty move
So because the servitors are part of the blob, if you join them to krieg blobs you medic them back up to keep the shooting out and you have 2 bodies you can just dump for wounds when you first take casualties also triggering your plus 1 to hit even when moving
I know that AdMech already exist as an army. But now I'm imagining a Guard force of servitorized humans given guns and sent forward to die in battle. Either as an emergency measure, as a way to deal with insubordinate/rebellious companies/soldiers, or in battles so bleak even Kriegsmen break and stop fighting.
Just tons of Enginseers, their retinues of "full" Servitors, and tons of soldiers with basic servitor implants to make them compliant. These aren't your trained Skitarii forces. These are "what if you need to field tons of bodies and can't even take a couple weeks for basic training".
A question: by having a tech preist lead a squad of servitors and a second squad attach to him, can you make a unit of 8?
honestly I really like the idea of a retinue squad for the other standard characters that get a bonus when led by their guy. They can improve the power of a character but keep the theme that the guard is just made up of mostly normal people. For example you could have the commissar leading a bunch of commissar cadets. Primaris psyker leading wyrdvane who he can dump failed hazardous tests into. Preachers can get zealots with flamers or eviscerators for a bit of anti horde or anti elite infanty
Unfortunately, I don't think you cant get them to BS 3+.
"A Hit roll
can never be modified by more than -1 or +1." (BRB, pg 21.)
So with an Enginseer the best they can get is a 4+ BS. Still nothing to scoff at.
+1 to hit and +1 to ballistic skill stack, but thats the max so you can get +1 from krieg, enginseer and heavy, but you can max out at a +2 on technicality
16:22 nice so it’s like getting a heavy weapons team back with a 20 man for 2cp
Regimental Enginseer + Servitors + Kasrkin............. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Plus Castellan? Or if ya wanna be fancy Creed for 3 orders at once
Almost , makes me want to play guard.
Iam Wartung soooo hard for the Bullgyrns Video.
Everytime YT tells me, "new Video from Mordian Glory" i keep hoping xD
Does the enginseer come back too ? :O
Would appreciate an update on your opinion after gw shafted the first born. Are you still sticking to alternative sources for models, or 2nd hand models?
Would you consider a tips video for buying 2nd hand models, either from you FLGS or eBay for those of us who don’t want to get burned?
Just got my OG marines from Battle for Macragge era out of the deep vaults, but don’t want to give money to GW since they give so few shits about the community
Wargames Atlantic Deathfield range has models called “Grognards” they look the closest to vostroyans that I’ve seen
You can always play your Firstborn marines in Grimdark Future from One Page Rules.
Ok the fact they can join squads with engineers does make them pretty nice , you won me over my two units of them sounds better than they’ve been for awhile now. I really like these combined squads we have access to. The Devil may be in the details indeed.
Do they benefit from the deathkorp medí-pack ability as well?
Yes
first I wanted to say no, because the medipack mentions "DK troopers" but that is not a keyword and servitors become otherwise part of the unit, so it should work.
this make them + engineseer a viable replacement for the psyker. you can use their improved save to tank shots and with "take cover" and actual cover, you can get on 2+ with them. that is quite some armor for a squishy unit. this also means you can overcharge with impunity because you can just get them back up, if they fizzle.
No for it Only applies to death-corps troopers
Is it possible to take 2 medi-packs and bring back 2d6?
@@whitemiasma5288 according to the warhammer 40K app, only one medi-pack can be equipped, even in 20 man units
Dont forget the Ogryn and Advisors > 34 model unit 😄
Pretty sure ogryn are characters, and you can only have 2 characters leading a unit IIRC?
@@johnj.spurgin7037 the bodyguard rule is like the same as servitors: they join a commandsquad and increase the starting strength for the rest of thr battle. same as attachés.
@@MaxderFranke ah... must have missed that. I'll look into it myself to be sure, but if that's legit that would be scary.
Yea that’s not how we use servitors we use them to add 4 wounds to target unit
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In the rules commentary states that you can only improve or reduce a characteristic or roll by +/-1, so you cannot stack take aim with mindlock.
Yes you can. Take Aim improves the ballistic skill, mind lock improves the hit roll. They stack.
It's the same reason Take Aim and Heavy stack together.
@@jamesloder8652 reread mindlock my dude, it says the Ws and BS characteristics
Okay, it still stacks. The rules say you cannot modify a hit roll by more than +1/-1. It doesn't say anything about modifying ballistic skill caps.
@@jamesloder8652 in any case, you are not able to get the theoretical "+3" Mordian claims here.
@@jamesloder8652 yes it does lol. Rules commentary. There's a complete sections on modified characteristics and specifically says you cannot improve or reduce by more than +/-1
So, he puts his voice into the machine and lets AI make a video, and now he (it) says servitors are good... k..
I'll just keep pretending he isn't having the AI make video after video.