SURFACE BOOK 3 15" REVIEW - GTX 1660Ti Max Q - SHOULD YOU BUY IT ?
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- The Surface Book 3 is available in a 13.5" or 15" form factor. The former has been upgraded with a GTX 1650 Max Q and the latter a 1660Ti Max Q.
Still no thunderbolt 3 though
In this video I do an in depth review so you can determine if its something you should buy or perhaps better off buying the Surface Book 2 on discount.
Specs:
15" 3240 x 2160
i7 1065G7
GTX 1660 Ti MQ
32GB RAM DDR4 3733 Mhz LPDDR4x
512 GB SSD
Wifi 6
2 x 1080p webcams
2 batteries, 82wh total
Price $2799
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Review of HP Omen 15 2020 (AMD) would be awesome!!!
That would be awesome!
Just bought used Surface Book 2 15 inch for drawing and I am in love.
Great! It certainly is very nice 😀
Oh my gosh... So expensive... Steven, you are true madman (in a good sense).
Lol, I am indeed crazy , my wife went deathly pale ...
@@OWNORDISOWN I thought to make lazy edgy joke, that jumps around word "divorce", but it's way dark humor I guess :)
Wasn't aware the Book 3 would have similar performance to its predecessor. Great review! Also excited for your G5 SE video.
Yes, nor me. I felt it was important to let people know that. Microsoft is scamming people here.
I have the G5 SE on my desk 😀👍
This was another very well done video. Though I tend to get feedback from a dozen sources for a device that I am interested in, this channel is quickly becoming a reliable source of well rounded information along with my two favorites, Mobile Tech Review and Jarrod's Tech...at least for laptops :-)
As I tested this device for a week and have been waiting for a return label from microsoft since last Friday (they really are being a pain blaming it on their systems), I agree with just about everything in this video. My only comment is that I've had many more issues than discussed here. For example, Blue Screens, Vertical Bar color anomalies (happened only once), weird CPU/GPU assignments, underwhelming battery life, weird issues of apps not closing when disconnecting device to tablet mode, unresponsive touch screen, disappearing cursor when hovering over browsers, Logitech G Hub not completing download process only on this device, and a few others.
However, as mentioned in the video with regard to longevity, the nail in the coffin for me was the constant spikes to 100C with averages in the mid 90s (95-96C). Sometimes I saw 3 of 4 cores hitting 100C, and it happened way too much for my comfort. Though some would argue that the Intel chip is designed for up to 100C, I would argue that hitting the wall of what something is designed for over and over, well, for longevity, that doesn't make me comfortable in the long run for a device I paid after tax around $3,200.
So with that said, my quest for 1 device to rule them all failed, a year in waiting, and I settled on a Asus G14 with a Samsung Book Flex targeted to arrive tomorrow. Two devices that do what they focus on better than the one to rule them all approach, but oh well :-)
Great job on the review!
Thanks Keith ! Lisa at Mobiletechreview is my idol so to mentioned in the same sentence as her is a huge compliment !
Like yourself I have been searching for the perfect device. I take lots of notes so a 2-1 has always been my go to device.
I gave my XPS 15 2-1 to my wife so now use an iPad for the notes.
Sorry to hear about your issues, definitely much worse than anything I have seen. It seems that Microsoft is always having these issues and its inexcusable considering the depth of their resources and the price this thing costs.
I too have asked for a return label about 3 days ago. How long do they normally take ?
@@OWNORDISOWN Well, the compliment is well earned. Last Friday, they told me the generation of the label should be minutes. That's when they told me that they didn't know why I wasn't getting the email and it must be a system issue. I gave a second email address as well, checked spam, and nothing. They escalated the ticket and told me I should get the label within 72 hours. I waited 72 hours, then on Monday afternoon they told me it is 3 business days. So I'm waiting to the end of today. I don't expect one today, so trust me when i say you wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of my phone call at the end of today lol. In the meantime, I've reported the case # to my Credit Card, they have accepted the dispute, and I'll continue to see if it can be resolved by Microsoft. So the answer is, all of this should have taken minutes lol.
I'm was also considering the iPad Pro, especially since I'll be moving internationally and my entire family uses FaceTime except for me. I just felt that if I was ever going to get an iPad, it needs to be a more substantial upgrade than their 2018 model, so I'll reconsider when they come out with their next model :-).
The Dell 2&1 you gave your wife is excellent, but I just didn't like the keyboard typing experience, it felt way too flat for me, and the speakers just weren't good enough, unlike this Asus G14 that I'm typing on now, which has fantastic speakers with some bass..which is rare..and should be a standard all laptops strive for.
@@Belgarath777 Thanks for the update. Looks like I will have to call them too.
Yes the G14 has great speakers for its size. Very impressive. If it had one more m.2 I would probably have kept it.
@@OWNORDISOWN I can understand the need for another m.2, sorry that didn't work out. Anyway, thanks for the back and forth, its good for the community, and will look forward to more of your reviews.
Nice video Stephen. I am waiting for the review on the Eluktronix RP 17.
Thanks ! I'm still waiting for it to arrive but the Mech 15 G3 will be up tomorrow
I used your referral link for surface 2. Nice option for this price. I take it to consider.
Thanks mate ! Was that the refurb ? For a saving of a grand that makes total sense
@@OWNORDISOWN I still thinking. There a lot of users, complaining about dead sensor spots, throttling etc. But, I'm kinda science guy and I know, that usually 10% of reviews is "no complains", 30% is "I had a issue", 60% - "I just bought that stuff and don't leave any review" guys. So... This is illusionary risk.
Why would someone buy those Intel chips having the Ryzen 4000 with 3/4 times the power?
Even if they put the 15w 6 core intel chip in it would have at least been better than last year. Thing is, people will think it's a new one so it must be better whilst all Microsoft did was rehash it. Give it an 80w 1660Ti then at least you would have that going for it. Such a shame.
Great review. I have 15 Book 2. Would love to see comparisons of 1060 non max q with 1660 maq q
Thanks Chris ! Yes, I will do a video on that :)
Nice complete review, but would have liked a battery test included. Thanks.
I did, I mentioned that near the start. 3 hours on tablet and 9 hrs 20 mins combined. I dont believe I missed anything out on this review.
@@OWNORDISOWN Surry I missed it. Thanks again.
This is my first Surface book, and will be the last. Accepted the outdated design - thick bezel. Keyboard is not crispy enough. The temperature is way too high for just web browsing and video watching. The tablet mode battery life is too short; barely 2 hours. In the end, simply also brought an iPad Pro 12.9 for entertainment. The actual advantage of Surface book is male friendly when using on legs with keyboard. (But the keyboard will still too hot when charging.) That's pretty much it. Waiting for Huawei to come up with a 15" model on their Matebook Pro X series. Simply like the 3:2 screen form factor for better productivity.
Can u compare more games with old 15 inch one with 1060 ?
I no longer have the SB2, I do plan on doing a video with my current 1060 though as a comparison 😀👍
Why don't they use black leds on silver keyboards?
Yes, needs something because in that twilight its hard to see.
Man, this is really an innovative product. Put cpu and gpu in different parts of the laptop, and they can be combined for enhanced performance. Pity it doesn't have a ryzen chip in, otherwise it would be perfect for portability and performance.
nice video. how does a 3733Mhz LPDDR4X compare with 3200mhz ddr4 ram in laptop.
Copied from some forum:
LPDDR4 is the mobile equivalent of DDR4 memory. Compared to DDR4, it offers reduced power consumption butdoes so at the cost of bandwidth. LPDDR4 has dual 16-bit channels resulting in a 32-bit total bus. In comparison, DDR4 has 64-bit channels. Therefore, LPDDR4 RAM halves the bus..."
"On the plus side, enhanced variants of the memory also allow 16n prefetch or 64 bytes per channel like GDDR6 memory
I have the first surface book and looking to get a new one. Do you think I should just go for the 2 and save money? looks like the surface book 3 isn't much of a upgrade and is even a downgrade in terms of CPU
Yeah, I think the SB 2 is a good one. If you can get a decent price on it go for it!
Finally, someone who actually did a proper review on SB3 with thermals and stuff. Thank you so much ma man. Also, one more thing, can you please test the thermals (AIDA64 stress test or something like that/CPU+GPU 100% utilization) in studio mode? (flipped and closed screen) for a longer time, like 20 minutes? Previous SB2 had a huge issue with overheating and downclocking to 0.4Ghz even after MS "fixed" it (power throttling). I am considering buying an SB3 but I would love to know if this issue is still there or not.
Sorry, just saw your post and it is currently resetting as I am returning it..I would have gladly done your test.
I should have thought about doing it, sorry 🙁
OWNorDisown That is fine, thanks for ur answer tho!
Would you really recommend this laptop. Im half gamer ,student ,side hobby graphic design, movie ect...
Not really. It's too expensive for the performance you get and limited upgradability. I think I favor the Yoga C940 more.
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Subbed , can you do a comparision with the newer 3060 laptops
Thanks for the sub. I have reviewed quite a few already. Once I have finished with my backlog I will do some comparison videos for sure
Seems like cooling is a bit of an issue in a lot of laptops nowadays. Would be really nice if you did a video about the longevity of liquid metal in laptops and how well it cools after years and maybe some comparisons to other thermal pastes if that's possible.
I was thinking of doing that. My x3 V7 has had LM on it for nearly 3 years...
Hi Steven do you think the SB 2 can be worth it for architecture work? I use sketchup, v ray, autocad and lumion mostly
that tap to move a window around is a setting in windows lol
I could not see anything in the mouse settings...
I bought the 32GB 512 Gb version new for €2100 would you consider it worth this price?
Stephen, Do you have any of your used laptops for sale? I'm interested in buying for long term test devices.
I'll be selling my Omen 15t with 9880h and GTX 2080 MQ and the Dell G5 SE I will either sell or send back.
My Clevo P870TM I should sell but it has a lot of sentimental value, custom Ownordisown BIOS, 9900k, GTX 1080, QHD 120hz Gsync.
Most people want to buy budget laptops from me.
Hmm looks cool , eventually would like one if they ever go down a bit more, the charger means can use portable laptop power bank with. For now though i will stick to my surface pro 3 /4 and Razer blade 15 . The track pad could be bigger also.
Yeah, hopefully they will lower the price but I dont think the will by much. Hopefully they will do an AMD version in the next go around
nice review!!!
Great review. Too pricey but it's a beauty
Thanks ! Yes, it is far too expensive considering that six core CPUs arebthe norm these days. Not having the i7 10710u is a huge misstep in my opinion. But yes, it's a great looking laptop.
I absolutely beg you to post the mech g3 review. Oh my God I just can't stand waiting anymore
PS: I love your channel. Thanks for all the hard work m8 (:
Its a great laptop
Tablet mode? Touchscreen? Why not testing android emulator
Perhaps I should have put linux on it too ?
@@OWNORDISOWN i mean bluestacks, antutu benchmark 😆😆. But linux really?
@@muhamadardiyansah446 I put way too much time into this. I bought it for $3k to get like 800 views which makes me $1.20. Last time I will put so much effort into something like this. I should have done what other channels did and just talk about the keyboard and call it a day.
@@OWNORDISOWN woah, okay Steve, love your channel 👍👍😁😁
I have the surface book 2 and the main concern I have is the battery life. Microsoft seems to overstate their battery life by 2-3X. I get maybe 3-4 hours for my workflow on a charge.
That sucks, have you looked to see what the CPU watts is? Perhaps background tasks eating juice? Could be that apps are pinging the dGPU too, in which case perhaps run DDU and reinstall drivers via Geforce Experience?
@@OWNORDISOWN Aappreciate the suggestions. Will check.
micrsoft should consider amd version
Yes, I agree totally. If they had done a 4700u model for $1000 they would fly off the shelves but they want to take on Apple for the high price segment
amd has a second advantage that are low temps compared to intel counterparts and power usage too. also igpu r stronger too
Frikkin underrated channel 🙁🙁
Can you do a Surface Go 2 review?
I understand how much money MS throws in to develop this. But when they want to compare their laptop or 2in1 line to Apple, their target customer is a really small group. Especially on the current economic situation, this stuff would not sell well.
I agree, the price of this is outrageous really. And ask people to buy a pen for $100+ is taking the piss I think. If it were $1800 I would be all over it.
@@OWNORDISOWN How much is an iPad Pro + laptop from Apple? not like the ipad has desktop apps...
@@TheYousif5 the iPad pro is like $1100 so that leaves $1700 for a GTX 1060 or 1660 Ti max Q laptop which one should be able to get cheaper.
How about Yoga C940 for $1550, 6 core CPU and GTX 1650? That seems a better deal to me.
@@OWNORDISOWN Ah thank you will look into that! Guess you do miss out on the portability though
Very good review.
Thanks, appreciate it !
Como siempre, excelente revisión. Espero que crezca mucho este canal, saludos!
GTX 1660 ti max q, same as ROG GA502
But over double the price - however this is both tablet and laptop excellent battery life. Still expensive though :(
Terrible CPU option for the price! While I know I am not the targeted market for it, I just couldn't believe that they dare put that CPU for 2000$$$
Great video as always! 😃
Even $3000... I agree , crazy really!
I don’t get why they are so expensive. I mean it’s possible if it has amazing software but I doubt
Yeah, Microsoft is in dream land. It's a lovely machine but not being able to upgrade anything and only a 4 core CPU isnt going to cut it in 2020. Not for $3k.
Also I would slightly understand if it was a brand new design that is totally different than a older design
Pretty powerful for a 2 in 1.
anyone who wants to buy this. dont get helios 300 or a15 or g14/g15, dell g5se, accer upcoming amd 4000u series laptops
Surface Book isn't a gaming laptop, it doesn't compare with the one you mentioned.
@@TheMash84 i never said that.
@@khankhattak. hes saying that this caters for a different audience that need the 2 in 1 functionality. obviously if you want to game then get a gaming laptop, but many people have a need for the surface book
Microsoft claims it detaches 3 times faster than previous generation?
Lol, no way. It's about the same. You could see how long it took. I counted 4 seconds.
@@OWNORDISOWN maybe you got a defective one? I've seen other videos where they had SB2 and SB3 side by side and SB3 detached way faster than SB2.
They charge that premium because there's arguably nothing like it on the market and I agree with that. However, the CPU is straight up a disappointment. That 6 core 15 watts i7 would've made all the sense in the world. Or better yet, an 8 core Ryzen 4000 U series CPU or a 6C/12T Ryzen 5 4600U if the 8 core is too much. Not to use Ryzen is straight up stupid (could be smart for marketing, idk) because that tablet form factor needs every last bit of efficiency Intel can't provide. Also Micro$oft doesn't include Thunderbolt 3 for security as they claim yet the use Intel CPUs which have more security vulnerabilities than I can count. A 65 watts RTX 2060 MQ can certainly be an option too but they decided to skimp on that. These terrible decision just make it too much to pay the premium. Oh and that delay for disconnecting it from the base is also too long.
I agree totally !
I know that Steven probably have kids, but I like to believe that he happily jumps on the trampoline himself every day
Lol, its actually quite good exercise and to be honest I get a bit dizzy after 5 minutes. Old age !
can you interchange the base between the surface book 2
I no longer have my SB 2 to test it out...
hello all , i have bought the surface book3 , 15 inch (516gb , 32gh ram) and i have replace it already due battery is not lasting , the second one i got it Frieda, with the same issue the contact the Microsoft support , the remote to it and they have update windows , and ask to monitor the battery today i had meeting i charged ii to 100% and i did not last fro three hours ( i have not install and application yet not even office ( is not yet activated ) i have attended that the meeting via webex ( via web) .... i m not sure if anyone has the same that issue i have ,,, can anyone reply me if is normal ? i mean i bought the machine for the battery (T_T) and now not even 3 hours ??
That is not normal. Do both batteries discharge at the same rate ? If they do it must be something running in the background. I suspect when in tablet mode the rate of discharge is actually slower? If this is the case then it might be an optimus thing and its pinging the dedicated GPU too much. I would install latest drivers from geforce experience.
@@OWNORDISOWN thank you so much for your reply , I had this problem, from day one i got the machine , i contact Microsoft they have remote in and did some troubleshooting then they replace it , I got the new one on Friday 17 July but the problem persist , you know i have attend a meeting in WebEx and the new surface book 3 did only last for 170 minutes total , i both surface i got only installed webex , chrome ,whatsapp app, and spss ( office not yet activated not even free trail one ). and yes for the both machines i got the both battery are been consumed- i have checked the cup is not even 40% )
u do use correct , can you tell me experience? ( i am still with Microsoft support but what they do so fare only install and re install windows ) i pay more then 3k , and i dont see the battery work as it should , or do i use it wrongly ! :'(
Hi sir ,how are you
Very well explained Sir.
So nice of you !
Lots of mobile MMORPG ads in TH-cam.
For what this costs I'd expect it to do all my work without any input from me whatsoever, clean my home, and then make me my dinner. All that would be based on me somehow being able to survive with no kidneys as a result of needing to sell them both in order to be able to afford this laptop to begin with, more so given that the dollar price will translate almost exactly into the same price in pounds.
Yes, I'm amazed that the windows store is saying that they are sold out..perhaps they only made like 10 of them.
I have MSI bravo 17 it cool
I would love to test that out, glad you like it !
The choice of processor is really really bad. Ice Lake CPU may have better graphics but their CPU performance is really nothing advantageous over Comet Lake and especially when the laptop is having a powerful dedicated graphics. They should have gone with the 6 core i7 10710u. But Ryzen 4000u series would have been the best choice since Surface devices still don't have This Thunderbolt 3. When you think that a $500 laptop with Ryzen 5 4500U can beat this $2500 device by a mile in cpu performance, the feeling is not so good. A 15 inch Device is anyway, not suitable for tablet usage and that feature is not going to be anything advantageous in real world usage, apart from looking cool.
Yeah, I feel that many people are going to return this . Why pay $3k for like 2 year old performance?
1620x1080??.....
Yeah, it's one of the resolution options. Works quite well.
wouldnt that be cool if u could upgrade the base to a better cpu or gpu imagine that . Microsoft are u afraid to desemate the competition?
Please don’t buy any surface products, software has many issues, they update it regularly, whenever new updates comes the system fails in many other hardware things...for me in last update and the keyboard and mouse stopped working...customer service is worst. Doesn’t worth the money we pay to those people!!!
$2800 for that performance, storage etc. isn't worth it.
I agree, totally insane price. My wife was not happy I bought it let me tell you...
Hey, Stephen! What's the best wireless router (not too expensive) out there right now? I keep getting kicked out of my online meetings like Zoom because of a poor connection.
Hey Andrew ! I use a combination of my Orbi which comes with two satellites creating a wifi web around the house and a wifi 6 router which I reviewed, I test both here: th-cam.com/video/oLfFtCkujag/w-d-xo.html