I think he is now weeker cause Bob isn't with him anymore. I was hoping when Mr.C got shot that the real Coop would wake up u.u I hope that the farm is in Twin Peaks!! By the way... WHERE IS AUDREY? Greetings from Argentina! Love you guys! ♥
GameSpot Universe the "dark ghosts" are obviously Dugpa's. Remember the recorded speech Wyndham Earle gave that we got to see where he's describing how they built and run the Black Lodge, "creating 'evil' for evil's sake...i rly don't see what else they could be
Tell us more about the Secret History of Twin Peaks please! It seems like that is becoming more and more relevant so it would be nice to know a bit more about it. Good topic to cover next week when we don't have an episode...?
If this was still the era of people playing little .wav files on their computers.....the "what the hell" one would be pretty darn popular. I would have set that one for a windows crash.
Literally my first thought when the Nuke scene/trip was going on was "this is going to separate the Lynch fans from the Twin Peaks fans" so glad I'm not alone in my thinking. Great recap guys
Robert Marks Totally. Best episode so far I think. This got in my head like a GOOD Lynch movie does and I find myself obsessing and thinking about this episode throughout the day and wanting to talk about it constantly with people. Really got in my head.
So if the bomb's detonation was at 5:29 mountain time, i think it can be safely assumed that BOB was born (or entered our dimension) just seconds later at 4:30 pacific time, Twin Peaks time.
Kekarot at the very beginning of Part 1 when the Giant is talking to Coop, he mentions the numbers 4-3-0. I want to say that there are more allusions to these numbers every so often, but frankly so much stuff is meticulously crammed into each episode that I don't remember since I've only watched each episode once so far.
@@Maisara_br it symbolized the roadhouse as a null dimension. That's why Jacques was behind the bar and answered the phone. Same reason Audrey has her dance revelation seen with Charlie, who was clearly an anti-thesis to her Dad at The Great Northern. That is why she hysterically exclaims "Is this Ghostwoods?" Ghostwoods is Twin Peaks and a parallel dimension. Anyhow, that is my interpretation.
Nosaveddata Who invited you? You must be lost because if you couldn’t absorb why this was important while brilliantly presented, why in God’s shit are you watching this show? Bye now
@HeedArmy83 The plot itself is actually pretty simple and does add to the series. The nuke birthed a new evil, and spirits/gods saw this and sent a force of good to Earth in the form of Laura Palmer.
From wiki article about Trinity bomb test, re: livestock contaminated by the explosion- "Patches of hair grew back discolored white." Just like anyone else who interacts with Bob. Wonder what Audreys hair looked like after Coop visited her.
My thoughts on the woodsman’s cryptic poem. First description is the general form while the second is this instance: "This is the water, this is the well, drink full and descend; the horse is the white of the eyes and dark within" - the woodsman, twin peaks This is the water (the invader seeking a host)(the locustfrog) And this is the well (the host)(the girl) Drink full (a command to the host: accept the invader completely)(open your mouth...) And descend (the invader descends into the depths of the host) (and swallow the locustfrog) The horse is the white of the eyes (what’s left of the host is only the shell of their soul - their direction is bent to the will of the parasite to whom the host is a vehicle)(the girl is to become a horse for a locustbug) And dark within (the invader is a dark entity)(locustbug is evil so now is the girl, except for the white of her eyes which is all that's left of her - a fate deserving of a pale horse foreshadow or maybe just a whinny after the deed)
Very good insight! After swallowing the bug thing, girl becomes a Trojan horse, carrying evil ("dark within"), but from the outside she looks like a normal girl. Besides, I think that every person, who fell asleep listening to this poem, swallowed a similar bug thing while sleeping, 'cause there were more of the eggs in the desert.
Well the white horse was a metaphor in the eighties for heroin, or any addictive drugs that have a psychoactive effect, it is also a symbol of our animal free will that can be tamed, but is as wild and powerful if untammed.
Honestly would've loved it if this video had just been you guys saying "This is the water, and this is the well. Drink full, and descend. The horse is the white of the eyes and dark within" for 22 minutes straight.
Just occurred to me after watching episode 8: if any director is perfectly suited to do a Lovecraft adaptation, it's Lynch. He understands cosmic horror better than anyone.
One implication I felt here was... Well, cancer seems to be playing an important thematic role in this series. Harry Truman has it, Beverly's husband has it, and Jacobi was talking about it on his vlog (particularly how cancer comes from contamination in food). So, what I saw with the singed people, and especially the woodsman, is that they're symbolic of radiation. They kill some people instantly, and the woodsman spreads sleep over the airwaves. He keeps talking about water and the well (a reference to radiation in the water), and also "the dark within," (which can be taken as a reference to cancer). I took the creature crawling into the girl's mouth at the end as a direct reference to cancer caused by contamination (although if she's been possessed by a spirit, it could still be symbolic). There's also a visual link between the product of the bomb (which was called an experiment), and the experiment gushing out garmonbozia; it kind of felt like the latter was an otherworldly reaction to the former. So with that link between the bomb and the evil spirits... We have a lot of doppelgangers in Twin Peaks, which is like duplication. And cancer is uncontrolled cell growth, which is another kind of duplication. I feel like there's a link there. My impressions come from visual cues, but Lynch does work that way a lot. Like the thing with the cube? That totally feels like it has something to do with TV, and I'm almost certain that was intentional. As for how I feel about it... I don't really like it, not for Twin Peaks. I mean, there are some interesting ideas at play, but I liked the smaller scale of the original series. It felt more grounded in reality, and... I liked the feeling of normal people being caught up in extraordinary circumstances that they couldn't understand or control. If we're getting into this idea that real evil is caused by humanity, then that idea that there are powerful natural forces that influence us is lost. I mean, there was definitely a link between the spirits from the Black Lodge, and our own animal natures, but that just made it scarier-- we can't escape that is within us. And If Laura Palmer (or her double) is some kind of cosmic entity meant to fight evil, then... She's no longer just a normal girl but some kind of savior. I mean, Fire Walk With Me did kind of imply that she sacrificed herself to stop evil from spreading to others, but that was based on a decision she made, not some kind of destiny. I dunno, maybe it would work somewhere else... In fact, the whole thing with the bomb reminds me of the Lich in Adventure Time, which I actually do like. Here, though, it feels like it clashes with the themes from the original series, which... You know, it's funny, though this season is definitely weirder and on a grander scale, it feels more mundane to me. I think part of the charm of the original is that there is so much that's unseen and unexplained, and when you get into these kinds of origins, no matter how trippy it gets, some of that mystery is lost. It's definitely not nostalgia that makes me feel this way, either, because I watched the original for the first time over the past couple of months.
Observation: The Arm refers to Laura Palmer as his cousin in the original run. This makes sense now as "Mother" (The Experiment) creates Bob (and probably MIKE and his Arm) and the Giant creates (sets in motion) Laura. Which alludes to Mother and the Giant being equals in both lodges/siblings/doppelgangers of each other.
1- both Coopers were shot twice in the chest, and aided by lodge spirits shortly after. 2-"gotta light" might be a reference to the light in Laura's head, he was looking for her, and crushing heads along the way...
I noticed that the woodsman was able to speak much more clearly (without the hard electrical distortion of "gotta light?") when he holds the radio guy by the head, that might be the reason why he was kept alive during the chant/spell performance.
The strange sound in the background sounds exactly like a Lichtenberg device for creating fractal burns on wood. Electricity burning through wood maybe a clue.
Electricity alone is the clue. The entities from another world can travel anywhere via the electrical lines. Cooper came out of an electrical socket for instance, references to electricity is shown in season 1 and 2 as well.
That sound, again made by The Man from Another Place or the "arm" (Michael J. Anderson) rubbing his hands together, could already be heard in a scene in season 1 episode 3 when Cooper, in a dream, visits the red room for the first time - and looks like he's much older (25 years, say?)
So much to dissect in this episode but here are some top suspicions and possible Easter Eggs: 1) I still maintaining the feeling that the 1956 girl is Sarah Palmer. That would make her about 11 in that scene which is believable. The bug that she ingests is the reason for her visions later on in life and having the white horse both mentioned by the woodsman on the radio and seen in her visions would make sense. 2) Dougie Coop, I believe, is still in an alternate world. The drugged out mother keeps screaming out 119, possibly as the reverse of 911, in the sense that Coop needs help. It would also make sense since Coop didn't go through the curtain that showed where Bob Coop was driving his car but rather in the opposite direction. 3) This is a far fetched Easter Egg but we have encountered three coins so far: a QUARTER for the slot machine, a DIME that Red flips and a PENNY that the girl finds. If you rearrange the numbers it reads out 51,201: the population of Twin Peaks. 4) I'm sure someone has pointed it out already, but the bug head on the ace of spades, if sharpened is essentially the logo for The Black Lodge. 5) Another possible Easter Egg is that the sign in the 1956 diner reads: Pop's Diner, the same name and font used for the diner in Riverdale, which also stars Mädchen Amick. Nice little tie-in as her character Shelly is of course a waitress on Twin Peaks. Still going over that last episode and kind of relieved that we have an extra week to process it all.
Dec Shaw very true. Didn't think of that. Good point. Though it was a buffalo head nickel which is rarely circulated anymore and was being used to direct him to the door haha but yeah, just saw the numbers add up and thought that was odd. Good catch though, forgot all about it.
Âme Solitaire agreed, after much thought it does seem that the egg is BOB given that it looks like what came out of mother, though several things don't sit well with me. If what comes out of mother/experiment is evil, why does Bob's Egg look different than the others and if it is BOB, than why do the woodsmen all appear fully formed (I'm assuming they are the other spewed out eggs or perhaps the disembodied lost souls that died in the detonation) and BOB just hatches at that moment all those years later. The only other thing I could discern from the two kids is perhaps PERHAPS the boy is Hawk and this is his connection to all of it? Sarah Palmer makes sense to me but perhaps the girl just represents the origin of the loss of innocence that all this began. Really can't wait for the next episode. Thank you for your feedback on my post! 👍🍩☕️
If you look carefully, the Woodsman's voice makes the people on the road and the two radio workers "freeze." Also, the Woodsmen ghosts that remove the Bob orb from Mr. C seem to have been killed in the fire at the convenience store in the flashback and they are already dead when that one Woodsman goes around asking for a light.
I keep playing the first few seconds of this over and over....the looks on your faces are HILARIOUS! But maybe just because I soooo had the same look on my face during the airing of the whole episode! LOL!
The classic 1956 My Prayer by The Platters song being played at the radio station.. one of The Platters is called David Lynch 😮 Not sure if already pointed out?
Originally, I thought the beetle was Bob as well; however, the timeline establishes that Leland Palmer was born in 1944, and was tormented by Bob at his grandmother's cabin as a little boy. By 1956, he would already be 17. Instead, it seems more likely that the egg in 1956 is one of the various oval-shapes/eggs that are spewed out *along with* Bob in the abyss-mother's vomit stream in 1945. I don't know who the bug grows up to be, but I do think the 1956 sequence is more of a look into the life-cycle of Black Lodge entities, rather than specifically Bob's origin. One thing worth noting, though, is that the bug has a long, pointed beak/nose, similar to the appearance of both the "Jumping Man" spirit and the mask worn by Mrs. Tremond's grandson.
I cannot wait for episode 9! Nobody knows what the Heck is going to happen. Just when you think you have some idea of what is going on, Boom! The show takes you in deeper inside this strange universe. This show is a long way from coffee and pie.
Took a chance by visiting your channel page to see if you guys uploaded a breakdown yet. You did one minute ago! Ha! I just subscribed.Will watch what you have to say now. You're my fave TP breakdown channel.
Can we get a breakdown of Phillip Jeffries? I have a feeling that character - if not David Bowie - is going to be a huge part of the remaining 10 episodes..
Tim Roth would be good. Bowie wasn't doing anything public the last few years of his life. Bowie's scenes in Fire Walk With Me don't really work very well anyway which is probably why Lynch edited out most of his scene.
the scrubbing effect in the convenience store sequence with the black bodies is reminiscent of what video editors do when skimming sequences in their non linear editing software... non linear...
FYI - The White Lodge (movie theater) is now an Apple Store which is located in downtown Los Angeles. It was the old Tower Theater. It was a filming location in both Twin Peaks S3 and Mulholland Drive.
An idea, and a question or 2: how prominent is the divine in Lynch's work or ideas? The giant and all the gears brought up the question of God in all of this (gears = deus ex machina). That would fit in some way with the creature (the metaphor of different hybrid creatures of the Revelation to John comes to mind). And of course the 4 horseman of the Apocalypse, with the rider on the pale horse... And in a different context the horseman on the white horse. Then there is the water (whoever is thirsty, come to me...). The well, where the Samaritan woman was asked for water. I cannot put it into a sensible, logical whole yet, but this series will keep us busy for many years, trying to understand it.
i'm surprised you didn't mentioned that in the book theres a story where 8 woodmen died. The same amount of woodmen there was walking over and over the convienence store. Its called "The night of the burning riever". I would love if you make more conections with the book!!!
Something of interest, probably an easter egg, about the guy who announced "The" Nine Inch Nails: He looked quite a bit like the late Jimmy Scott, who sang "Sycamore Trees" in the Black Lodge during the original series finale. I've seen it suggested that the NIN performance was meant to make explicit the idea that the Black Lodge was overlapping with Twin Peaks once again. I don't know what I think of that, but the Jimmy Scott lookalike is as much a clue as we're likely ever to get.
I don't want to go two weeks without hearing from you guys! This was such a great breakdown because the episode had me very confused for a while. I had to watch a few scenes over in case I missed something. The ending scene was terrifying but made me want to know more. See you in a fortnight gentleman!
Fantastic recaps. Your videos are far superior to any TP forum out there and you keep it tight. Good job on all the things you've predicted and the possibilities you've discussed.
The balcony in the scenes with the Giant looks almost exactly the same as the balcony in Club Silencio from Mulholland Drive, the one which overlooks the stage.
I think you guys grasped more about this episode than any other recap/analysis show I've been following. The purple sea, which I think is the astral sea; the castle which is probably The White Lodge; the garmonbozia spewed from the creature that was in the glass box (which may also be Mother)--you guys seem to have a good grasp on it all. If you look at all the weirdness in dream-logic or symbolic terms, I think you're right--it's pretty clear. But none of the other TH-cam recap shows I've watched have gotten it. So bravo! *golf clap* (A side note: I really felt the woman in the White Lodge who kissed the golden orb has costume and makeup reminiscent of old silent films. I don't know what significance that has in terms of mythology, but it was cool.) I agree with you that the bug-frog is the larval form of Bob. One last thing--in episode 7, the terrified guy that Andy was talking to about the murder truck looked EXACTLY like the ashy Woodsman guy that disappeared in the jail cell earlier in the show. Might just be the same actor, but it might mean something.
Wow, this show has gone full Lynch and I'm loving it! These breakdowns are a huge help in processing what the hell I just watched lol Thanks and good luck in future episodes!
This is great guys, really helped me a lot, because I just started watching Twin Peaks 2017 and fell in love with it, and I never watched the old ones. So Thanks!
You guys did a great job with this tough episode. I think the expressions on your faces throughout the video matched mine while sitting through episode 8. Can't wait to see whether future episodes will confirm theories or if, as you stated, "David Lynch will turn the car around on us" again. Nice job with the Easter eggs! I forgot about the canned corn line from Fire Walk with Me.
Wondetful vid. I have thought and read deeply about TP S3, so much of this was explored territory for me, but you guys summarized and verbalized it beautifully. Beyond that, I had completely forgotten about Douglas Milford. I also completely missed The Experiment vs. Señorita Dido as competing mother figures! Thanks do much for sharing your thoughts!
Isn't the bearded man seen in Phillip Jefferies "black lodge meeting" (fire walk with me) vision very similar to the Woodsman? Or do we already know who that is?
You guys do the best analysis I've seen so far! I love all the episode clips and how you tie what's going on into Lynch's and Frost's other work. I'll look forward to seeing what you come up with for our hiatus week!
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The beetle frog thumping entering the window reminded me of how BOB entered Lora's window in FWWM. Another thing - just now hit me that Leeland could have always enter Lora's room through the door, but BOB entered through the window. Why?
I'd have to go back but it seemed like this experiment had a female figure where as the attacking experiment in the glass box did not seem to have a female figure. Again I'd have to watch that scene again.
This mouth-head figure is seen in a lot of Lynches artwork. He paints and makes art installations, where you'll always find a scary looking hairless eyeless noseless head with a big mouth vomiting stuff. If I could attach a photo from the exhibition I went to, I would show what I mean.
I believe they are both credited as "Experiment"... that is, if I remember correctly. As soon as I saw the Experiment (Mother of Bob?), I thought the same thing.
'Pale Horse' in biblical scripture is the horse rode by Death in an apocalypse (the end for the characters killed), in which he kills during the event. Notice the woodsman we first saw in the cell, the whites of his eyes; very prominent. His pupils and Character is 'dark within', hence bearing death to those in contact. The woodsman emerges from the explosion test, in correlation: J.Robert O' quotes "now I am become death". Death had come, and rides off on 'Pale Horse' as the episode ends.
In Beyond Life and Death, the last episode of Twin Peaks season 2, just after Windon Earle kills Cooper, time goes back and we see an explosion reminiscent of what happened in Part 8, before BOB tells Cooper that Windom was wrong, and that he couldn't take his soul. Also, the MC made me think of the Red Room singer from that same episode, but maybe the Mullhoand Drive connection makes more sense.
I love your recaps, helps to catch missed moments and ideas. Some addition how much David Lynch helps us. In his office there was a picture of the bomb (the most obvious), a corn on the wall (garmonbozia), a picture of Franz Kafka (now with the strange bug it makes even more sense) and he was whistling "Engel" from Rammstein (I think referring to Laura also resembling the ending of Fire walk with me).
regarding the the drawing on the playing card - if you look closely at the garmonbozia spewing creature's head, there are little horns on its temples - maybe a closer match than arms bent back?
I love how they seem to have tapped into classic Hopperian imagery for some of the frames in the Awakening-of-Evil segment: the Convenience Store (American Gas station), the view of the secretary across the window panes, the white porch lit by the lantern, the diner... so beautifully done, I was so excited.
At the movie theater, the golden stuff that comes out of the Giant's head takes the shape of a tree before it becomes an orb. Don't know if I'm reaching too far, but it reminded me of the tree that Mike presents to Cooper as the Arm in the beginning fo this season.
Ben Treece Other interpretations I have heard identify the girl at the end as Laura Palmer's Mom. Also: many think the "Got a light?" Woodsman is/was the Log Lady's husband, a logger or "woodsman" who died in a fire the day after their wedding.
Log Lady's husband would be as old as the hill's if he is the "Gotta light" woodsman. He's an old man in 1945 and The Log Lady would probably not be very old, if even born, in 1945.
You guys are awesome. I really enjoy your breakdowns - it just adds to my viewing experience in a really great way. I will look forward to whatever you choose to cover next week :) personally very interested in the whole Briggs / blue rose deal.. and also: please speculate more about when (or if!) Coop will regain his own self.. my sanity needs it 🤓
i watched the original run and fwwm but never got around to season 3, but watching these guys and their chemistry has me wanting to brush up on the OG series and work my way up to the return. these videos are just so fun to watch lol
Something clicked for me regarding The Giant and the questions surrounding his appearances in certain time periods. 'Future/past was referenced and it reminded me of the mantra: Through the darkness of futures past. The magician longs to see. One chants out between two worlds. Fire walk with me. I think The Giant is actually The Magician. He even goes up on stage and performs a kind of magic show (levitating has been done to death though!) where he makes Laura Palmers orb. Then he has his assistant of sorts with him to show off the orb to the crowd (us basically). I'd love to know what you guys think of this! Not sure what the implications are of this. Love your show by the way!
I loved the Nuclear explosion/Penderecki scene as well, but there is more accomplished here than our hosts acknowledge. The footage of the nuclear test explosion was just declassified and released in January, I believe. To superimpose these images over the complete musical piece of Penderecki "Threnody for Hiroshima" represents a milestone in American television. It's the post-modern moment! Post modern music and art is finally acceptable in its entirety on American television. An amazing accomplishment. Look how far we've come as an audience in a few short episodes. Think of all the groundwork that was necessary to prepare the audience for eight minutes of Penderecki.
I love the musical aspect of Twin Peaks. Instead of exploiting music by ripping it into tiny pieces, Lynch presents it whole. It takes time and practice to listen to music. It takes practice to watch good theater or to appreciate any of the fine arts. Twin Peaks works by demanding more of its audience than any show in the history of TV.
There is one major Twin Peaks question still waiting to be answered but everyone seems to either have forgotten about it or avoiding it. What happened to Agent Chester Desmond?
I think "the Farm" is the place where we first saw bad Coop disarm a guy with a shotgun twice without even trying with the toothless woman and the. . . can I say "country folk" without offending anyone??? LOL
The convenience store scene reminds me of what the one-armed man said about the store on the pilot episode of the series. Also, that store and the gasoline island has the same configuration as Big Ed's Gas Farm, before Ed actually owned it.
The sound that the KPJK's turntable does when The Woodsman stpos the vinyl is pretty similar to the one of the phonograph in the initial sequence of this season with The Giant and Coop. "The sounds from the outside".
In all the breakdown videos I've watched, no one has acknowledged the very obscure, brief appearance of a horse in the explosion! During the black & white scene where it looks like snow/static, at approximately 19:21 watch the top of the screen closely and you can very clearly see the bottom half of what appears to be a horse quickly dip in & out of the frame
Four things: 1) We don't know for certain that Ray was talking to Phillip _Jeffries_. He addresses the person he's speaking with as 'Phillip', and that's it. There's already precedent for the series using the same name for multiple characters - just ask BOB/Bobby and the two Mikes. Keep that mind open. 2) The 'orb' that BOB is in when emerging from Mr. C looks like a lot like a caul to me - especially since we see it over his head and nothing else (because the rest of him is off-screen, yeah, but still). I don't think that matters in terms of plot, but I suspect it's an intentional allusion/bit of imagery. 3) At 12:45, you say the Senorita 'spewed out' the golden orb. We see the Giant make it. We see it has Laura's face when it reaches the Senorita. The Giant made the orb. Not her. You even acknowledge this earlier in the video. 4) I'm deeply surprised you didn't mention that the Woodsman seems to either bend time or speak really really fast - when he asks the couple in the car for a light, the woman's scream is slowed down to the point where it sound inhuman, while his speech remains perfectly coherent. I suspect this is why no one gives a light - they hear his request as a sped-up, inhuman screech.
This entire episode had call-outs to other David Lynch projects. The Mullholland Drive theater scenes as outlined in the video. The Lost Highway like shots when Mr. C and Ray are driving. The overall industrial/surreal Eraserhead feel of the "white lodge" scenes - including the "experiment" throwing up (a la the conception). The Woodsman character using "the Voice" to influence those in earshot like Jessica Atreides in Dune (not to mention he comes out of the desert). As a David Lynch fan I loved this episode.
Just rewatching this episode, and it occurred to me that “the white of the eyes” in the woodsmen poem may be referring to the white eyed doppelgängers.
I think it's interesting that the Bob ball was vomited out of the "body" of the experiment and the Laura ball was formed out of the "mind" of the giant (??????) Could this be some sort of balance of body and mind?
What do you think is next for Mr. Cooper?
I think he is now weeker cause Bob isn't with him anymore. I was hoping when Mr.C got shot that the real Coop would wake up u.u I hope that the farm is in Twin Peaks!!
By the way... WHERE IS AUDREY?
Greetings from Argentina! Love you guys! ♥
GameSpot Universe the "dark ghosts" are obviously Dugpa's. Remember the recorded speech Wyndham Earle gave that we got to see where he's describing how they built and run the Black Lodge, "creating 'evil' for evil's sake...i rly don't see what else they could be
Tell us more about the Secret History of Twin Peaks please! It seems like that is becoming more and more relevant so it would be nice to know a bit more about it. Good topic to cover next week when we don't have an episode...?
Good idea!
I have no idea, and that is very exciting!
The irony of David Lynch saying "what the hell?!" As Gordon is the funniest thing in the world, I swear
That and "Albert, I hate to admit this, but I don't understand this situation at all"
If this was still the era of people playing little .wav files on their computers.....the "what the hell" one would be pretty darn popular. I would have set that one for a windows crash.
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I used to use quotes from Spaceballs and the South Park movie!
Underrated comment.
How the hell an intro with a cute little bird on a tree branch, a saw mill and a water fall can possibly lead to this?
@Kenny Groundhopper Frost co-wrote season 3 with Lynch.
Literally my first thought when the Nuke scene/trip was going on was "this is going to separate the Lynch fans from the Twin Peaks fans" so glad I'm not alone in my thinking. Great recap guys
big time...LOVED this episode. As soon as the bomb sequence got going I thought "time for a trip to Lynch-Land"
Robert Marks Totally. Best episode so far I think. This got in my head like a GOOD Lynch movie does and I find myself obsessing and thinking about this episode throughout the day and wanting to talk about it constantly with people. Really got in my head.
@HeedArmy83 too bad!
Wow just saw this episode, also I notice how each episode gets more trippy, like when cooper was was scribbling on the papers I totally zoned out!
I wonder if the "this is the water" poem is connected somehow to the "fire walk with me" poem?
Also, water and fire.
So if the bomb's detonation was at 5:29 mountain time, i think it can be safely assumed that BOB was born (or entered our dimension) just seconds later at 4:30 pacific time, Twin Peaks time.
auburnrea wow good catch
What's the significance of that time? SOrry ya gotta spell it out for me, I forget some lore now and then.
Kekarot at the very beginning of Part 1 when the Giant is talking to Coop, he mentions the numbers 4-3-0. I want to say that there are more allusions to these numbers every so often, but frankly so much stuff is meticulously crammed into each episode that I don't remember since I've only watched each episode once so far.
That's some damn fine police work.
So, is BOB an acronym for 'Born Of Bomb', 'Bastard Of Bomb' or simply Bomb without the m.
Also, Cooper said to Hawk that if he ever goes missing he hopes Hawk is the one to search for him, pretty cool connection I think
And you thought the floor sweeping scene was weird?
No, it wasn't weird. It was just pointless.
when i watched i was waiting for something to happen. nope. nothing. that's it!!
@@Maisara_br it symbolized the roadhouse as a null dimension. That's why Jacques was behind the bar and answered the phone. Same reason Audrey has her dance revelation seen with Charlie, who was clearly an anti-thesis to her Dad at The Great Northern. That is why she hysterically exclaims "Is this Ghostwoods?" Ghostwoods is Twin Peaks and a parallel dimension. Anyhow, that is my interpretation.
@@zenivzenGhostwoods was a prison.
Yet its still utter genius
This episode was one of Lynch's greatest artistic achievements.
Damien Fletcher I kept saying it deserves to be played on a loop in a museum as an art installation.
Nosaveddata Who invited you? You must be lost because if you couldn’t absorb why this was important while brilliantly presented, why in God’s shit are you watching this show? Bye now
@HeedArmy83 The plot itself is actually pretty simple and does add to the series. The nuke birthed a new evil, and spirits/gods saw this and sent a force of good to Earth in the form of Laura Palmer.
@HeedArmy83 He's telling a story in an artsy way. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
HeedArmy83 just say you’re not very smart or don’t know shit about david lynch lol
Twin Peaks have moved beyond television
_Eraserhead_ was one of Stanley Kubrick's favorite films.
He showed it on the set to the crew while filmimg "The shining".
No. It was THE favorite Kubrick's film.
It was actually his favourite. Google Lynch discussing it.
I've been refreshing the page FOR TWO DAYS waiting for this video. Thank you kind sirs.
Me too!! XD
Talis Linauts Thanks for your patience!
From wiki article about Trinity bomb test, re: livestock contaminated by the explosion- "Patches of hair grew back discolored white."
Just like anyone else who interacts with Bob. Wonder what Audreys hair looked like after Coop visited her.
My thoughts on the woodsman’s cryptic poem. First description is the general form while the second is this instance:
"This is the water, this is the well, drink full and descend; the horse is the white of the eyes and dark within"
- the woodsman, twin peaks
This is the water (the invader seeking a host)(the locustfrog)
And this is the well (the host)(the girl)
Drink full (a command to the host: accept the invader completely)(open your mouth...)
And descend (the invader descends into the depths of the host) (and swallow the locustfrog)
The horse is the white of the eyes (what’s left of the host is only the shell of their soul - their direction is bent to the will of the parasite to whom the host is a vehicle)(the girl is to become a horse for a locustbug)
And dark within (the invader is a dark entity)(locustbug is evil so now is the girl, except for the white of her eyes which is all that's left of her - a fate deserving of a pale horse foreshadow or maybe just a whinny after the deed)
Very good insight! After swallowing the bug thing, girl becomes a Trojan horse, carrying evil ("dark within"), but from the outside she looks like a normal girl. Besides, I think that every person, who fell asleep listening to this poem, swallowed a similar bug thing while sleeping, 'cause there were more of the eggs in the desert.
Well the white horse was a metaphor in the eighties for heroin, or any addictive drugs that have a psychoactive effect, it is also a symbol of our animal free will that can be tamed, but is as wild and powerful if untammed.
Good to know is that the girl that swallows the bug is Sarah Palmer. And it’s for sure that Sarah has got something really dark inside her.
The Lodge spirits descend "from pure air". eg "drink full and descend" means enter our world. ("intercourse between the two worlds")
You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make him drink
Honestly would've loved it if this video had just been you guys saying "This is the water, and this is the well. Drink full, and descend. The horse is the white of the eyes and dark within" for 22 minutes straight.
the same length as in the episode
I like more the comments than the video itself.
Just occurred to me after watching episode 8: if any director is perfectly suited to do a Lovecraft adaptation, it's Lynch. He understands cosmic horror better than anyone.
I basically had three reactions during the episode
1. DAFUQ
2. OHHHHH
3. HUHHH
One implication I felt here was... Well, cancer seems to be playing an important thematic role in this series. Harry Truman has it, Beverly's husband has it, and Jacobi was talking about it on his vlog (particularly how cancer comes from contamination in food). So, what I saw with the singed people, and especially the woodsman, is that they're symbolic of radiation. They kill some people instantly, and the woodsman spreads sleep over the airwaves. He keeps talking about water and the well (a reference to radiation in the water), and also "the dark within," (which can be taken as a reference to cancer). I took the creature crawling into the girl's mouth at the end as a direct reference to cancer caused by contamination (although if she's been possessed by a spirit, it could still be symbolic). There's also a visual link between the product of the bomb (which was called an experiment), and the experiment gushing out garmonbozia; it kind of felt like the latter was an otherworldly reaction to the former. So with that link between the bomb and the evil spirits... We have a lot of doppelgangers in Twin Peaks, which is like duplication. And cancer is uncontrolled cell growth, which is another kind of duplication. I feel like there's a link there. My impressions come from visual cues, but Lynch does work that way a lot. Like the thing with the cube? That totally feels like it has something to do with TV, and I'm almost certain that was intentional.
As for how I feel about it... I don't really like it, not for Twin Peaks. I mean, there are some interesting ideas at play, but I liked the smaller scale of the original series. It felt more grounded in reality, and... I liked the feeling of normal people being caught up in extraordinary circumstances that they couldn't understand or control. If we're getting into this idea that real evil is caused by humanity, then that idea that there are powerful natural forces that influence us is lost. I mean, there was definitely a link between the spirits from the Black Lodge, and our own animal natures, but that just made it scarier-- we can't escape that is within us. And If Laura Palmer (or her double) is some kind of cosmic entity meant to fight evil, then... She's no longer just a normal girl but some kind of savior. I mean, Fire Walk With Me did kind of imply that she sacrificed herself to stop evil from spreading to others, but that was based on a decision she made, not some kind of destiny. I dunno, maybe it would work somewhere else... In fact, the whole thing with the bomb reminds me of the Lich in Adventure Time, which I actually do like. Here, though, it feels like it clashes with the themes from the original series, which... You know, it's funny, though this season is definitely weirder and on a grander scale, it feels more mundane to me. I think part of the charm of the original is that there is so much that's unseen and unexplained, and when you get into these kinds of origins, no matter how trippy it gets, some of that mystery is lost. It's definitely not nostalgia that makes me feel this way, either, because I watched the original for the first time over the past couple of months.
Observation: The Arm refers to Laura Palmer as his cousin in the original run.
This makes sense now as "Mother" (The Experiment) creates Bob (and probably MIKE and his Arm) and the Giant creates (sets in motion) Laura. Which alludes to Mother and the Giant being equals in both lodges/siblings/doppelgangers of each other.
I personally think that “Mother” is Judy
Just my thought, as it fits both of their power levels and lore
That castle/fortress on the purple ocean, where Giant and Senorita Dido lived. Was that the White Lodge??
1- both Coopers were shot twice in the chest, and aided by lodge spirits shortly after.
2-"gotta light" might be a reference to the light in Laura's head, he was looking for her, and crushing heads along the way...
All week, I've been calling this episode "Eraserhead 2: Nuclear Bug-aloo" for obvious reasons.
Your videos have been a great way to experience this new season - thank you for the commentary and analysis!
I noticed that the woodsman was able to speak much more clearly (without the hard electrical distortion of "gotta light?") when he holds the radio guy by the head, that might be the reason why he was kept alive during the chant/spell performance.
The man on the left during these discussions has such an adorable smile, it makes me smile. Thank you!
The strange sound in the background sounds exactly like a Lichtenberg device for creating fractal burns on wood. Electricity burning through wood maybe a clue.
Electricity alone is the clue. The entities from another world can travel anywhere via the electrical lines. Cooper came out of an electrical socket for instance, references to electricity is shown in season 1 and 2 as well.
That sound, again made by The Man from Another Place or the "arm" (Michael J. Anderson) rubbing his hands together, could already be heard in a scene in season 1 episode 3 when Cooper, in a dream, visits the red room for the first time - and looks like he's much older (25 years, say?)
So much to dissect in this episode but here are some top suspicions and possible Easter Eggs:
1) I still maintaining the feeling that the 1956 girl is Sarah Palmer. That would make her about 11 in that scene which is believable. The bug that she ingests is the reason for her visions later on in life and having the white horse both mentioned by the woodsman on the radio and seen in her visions would make sense.
2) Dougie Coop, I believe, is still in an alternate world. The drugged out mother keeps screaming out 119, possibly as the reverse of 911, in the sense that Coop needs help. It would also make sense since Coop didn't go through the curtain that showed where Bob Coop was driving his car but rather in the opposite direction.
3) This is a far fetched Easter Egg but we have encountered three coins so far: a QUARTER for the slot machine, a DIME that Red flips and a PENNY that the girl finds. If you rearrange the numbers it reads out 51,201: the population of Twin Peaks.
4) I'm sure someone has pointed it out already, but the bug head on the ace of spades, if sharpened is essentially the logo for The Black Lodge.
5) Another possible Easter Egg is that the sign in the 1956 diner reads: Pop's Diner, the same name and font used for the diner in Riverdale, which also stars Mädchen Amick. Nice little tie-in as her character Shelly is of course a waitress on Twin Peaks.
Still going over that last episode and kind of relieved that we have an extra week to process it all.
Hawk also drops a coin into the stall where he finds the diary pages, no?
Dec Shaw very true. Didn't think of that. Good point. Though it was a buffalo head nickel which is rarely circulated anymore and was being used to direct him to the door haha but yeah, just saw the numbers add up and thought that was odd. Good catch though, forgot all about it.
Âme Solitaire agreed, after much thought it does seem that the egg is BOB given that it looks like what came out of mother, though several things don't sit well with me. If what comes out of mother/experiment is evil, why does Bob's Egg look different than the others and if it is BOB, than why do the woodsmen all appear fully formed (I'm assuming they are the other spewed out eggs or perhaps the disembodied lost souls that died in the detonation) and BOB just hatches at that moment all those years later. The only other thing I could discern from the two kids is perhaps PERHAPS the boy is Hawk and this is his connection to all of it? Sarah Palmer makes sense to me but perhaps the girl just represents the origin of the loss of innocence that all this began. Really can't wait for the next episode. Thank you for your feedback on my post! 👍🍩☕️
You are correct that girl is called Sarah this was confirmed in the final dossier. Good call
If you look carefully, the Woodsman's voice makes the people on the road and the two radio workers "freeze." Also, the Woodsmen ghosts that remove the Bob orb from Mr. C seem to have been killed in the fire at the convenience store in the flashback and they are already dead when that one Woodsman goes around asking for a light.
I keep playing the first few seconds of this over and over....the looks on your faces are HILARIOUS! But maybe just because I soooo had the same look on my face during the airing of the whole episode! LOL!
The classic 1956 My Prayer by The Platters song being played at the radio station.. one of The Platters is called David Lynch 😮
Not sure if already pointed out?
Originally, I thought the beetle was Bob as well; however, the timeline establishes that Leland Palmer was born in 1944, and was tormented by Bob at his grandmother's cabin as a little boy. By 1956, he would already be 17. Instead, it seems more likely that the egg in 1956 is one of the various oval-shapes/eggs that are spewed out *along with* Bob in the abyss-mother's vomit stream in 1945. I don't know who the bug grows up to be, but I do think the 1956 sequence is more of a look into the life-cycle of Black Lodge entities, rather than specifically Bob's origin. One thing worth noting, though, is that the bug has a long, pointed beak/nose, similar to the appearance of both the "Jumping Man" spirit and the mask worn by Mrs. Tremond's grandson.
and the nose of the "mother" when she releases eggs
holy crap Rylan, that's some good deducing! Very keen observations. I never would have thought of that.
If Leland was born in '44 then he would be 12 in '56, not 17.
Ah, whoops! Math glitch. ;)
still, it was some bold thinking. I never would put that together.
I cannot wait for episode 9! Nobody knows what the Heck is going to happen. Just when you think you have some idea of what is going on, Boom! The show takes you in deeper inside this strange universe. This show is a long way from coffee and pie.
David. J nah, were still getting plenty of coffee
Sam K Haha yes we are still getting coffee!
Took a chance by visiting your channel page to see if you guys uploaded a breakdown yet. You did one minute ago! Ha! I just subscribed.Will watch what you have to say now. You're my fave TP breakdown channel.
Can we get a breakdown of Phillip Jeffries? I have a feeling that character - if not David Bowie - is going to be a huge part of the remaining 10 episodes..
My thoughts too. Tim Roth could be taking over Philip Jeffries
Tim Roth would be good. Bowie wasn't doing anything public the last few years of his life. Bowie's scenes in Fire Walk With Me don't really work very well anyway which is probably why Lynch edited out most of his scene.
I think Tim Roth will be Ike the Spike's big brother.
Sir John, your comments keep making me smile
There must be millions of parallel universes where David Bowie lived and filmed new scenes for this. They must be awesome...
the scrubbing effect in the convenience store sequence with the black bodies is reminiscent of what video editors do when skimming sequences in their non linear editing software... non linear...
I would not be surprised whatsoever if it was Lynch himself doing those sequences. DJ Lynch.
Sir John Hammond He almost has to be. No one could imagine such specifically abstract sequences except for him.
You guys are awesome! Best review of this episode on youtube! Thank you!
The Eraserhead episode.
I've been waiting since Monday morning for this, so when I saw it, I've never clicked on a video quicker in my life!!
FYI - The White Lodge (movie theater) is now an Apple Store which is located in downtown Los Angeles. It was the old Tower Theater. It was a filming location in both Twin Peaks S3 and Mulholland Drive.
You guys are true heroes! lol Thanks for the summaries, they help make sense of a lot.
An idea, and a question or 2: how prominent is the divine in Lynch's work or ideas? The giant and all the gears brought up the question of God in all of this (gears = deus ex machina). That would fit in some way with the creature (the metaphor of different hybrid creatures of the Revelation to John comes to mind). And of course the 4 horseman of the Apocalypse, with the rider on the pale horse... And in a different context the horseman on the white horse. Then there is the water (whoever is thirsty, come to me...). The well, where the Samaritan woman was asked for water. I cannot put it into a sensible, logical whole yet, but this series will keep us busy for many years, trying to understand it.
i'm surprised you didn't mentioned that in the book theres a story where 8 woodmen died. The same amount of woodmen there was walking over and over the convienence store. Its called "The night of the burning riever". I would love if you make more conections with the book!!!
Auri Ámbar THERE'S A BOOK????
Elle Pereles Borella Yup. "The Secret History of Twin Peaks". It's also in audio book format.
did the giant (or ??????????) stare off in to sPace before attending to the alarm, or did he stare at the audience/us?
Thanks for waiting everybody!
I'd be lost without your show. Thanks, guys! I'm now subscribed for life!
Something of interest, probably an easter egg, about the guy who announced "The" Nine Inch Nails:
He looked quite a bit like the late Jimmy Scott, who sang "Sycamore Trees" in the Black Lodge during the original series finale.
I've seen it suggested that the NIN performance was meant to make explicit the idea that the Black Lodge was overlapping with Twin Peaks once again. I don't know what I think of that, but the Jimmy Scott lookalike is as much a clue as we're likely ever to get.
There was a pinecone on the mic stand. Symbolic of the pineal gland.
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I watched this episode right now. Probably the most epic trip I ever had :) Lynch has returned to the style of his first movies.
I don't want to go two weeks without hearing from you guys! This was such a great breakdown because the episode had me very confused for a while. I had to watch a few scenes over in case I missed something. The ending scene was terrifying but made me want to know more.
See you in a fortnight gentleman!
Fantastic recaps. Your videos are far superior to any TP forum out there and you keep it tight. Good job on all the things you've predicted and the possibilities you've discussed.
The balcony in the scenes with the Giant looks almost exactly the same as the balcony in Club Silencio from Mulholland Drive, the one which overlooks the stage.
I read that it actually was the set from the movie.
I think you guys grasped more about this episode than any other recap/analysis show I've been following. The purple sea, which I think is the astral sea; the castle which is probably The White Lodge; the garmonbozia spewed from the creature that was in the glass box (which may also be Mother)--you guys seem to have a good grasp on it all. If you look at all the weirdness in dream-logic or symbolic terms, I think you're right--it's pretty clear. But none of the other TH-cam recap shows I've watched have gotten it. So bravo! *golf clap*
(A side note: I really felt the woman in the White Lodge who kissed the golden orb has costume and makeup reminiscent of old silent films. I don't know what significance that has in terms of mythology, but it was cool.)
I agree with you that the bug-frog is the larval form of Bob. One last thing--in episode 7, the terrified guy that Andy was talking to about the murder truck looked EXACTLY like the ashy Woodsman guy that disappeared in the jail cell earlier in the show. Might just be the same actor, but it might mean something.
I have just been rewatching the first two seasons and have just watched Episode 16 and in a scene near the end, Dick Tremane asks Andy "Gotta light?"
You guys are the best! The best breakdowns of TP episodes, hands down! Thank youuu!
Wow, this show has gone full Lynch and I'm loving it! These breakdowns are a huge help in processing what the hell I just watched lol Thanks and good luck in future episodes!
"This is the moment when David Lynch fans and Twin Peaks fans colided." These are the smartest lines I´ve heard about the subject.
Good thing I’m a fan of both.
Ah, didn't see it before, but the mother experiment has antennae on her head just like that picture on the playing card.
This is great guys, really helped me a lot, because I just started watching Twin Peaks 2017 and fell in love with it, and I never watched the old ones. So Thanks!
Love you guys. Discovered y'all today and SUBSCRIBED!!! Thanks, waited all day for eppy 8 review!!
You guys did a great job with this tough episode. I think the expressions on your faces throughout the video matched mine while sitting through episode 8. Can't wait to see whether future episodes will confirm theories or if, as you stated, "David Lynch will turn the car around on us" again. Nice job with the Easter eggs! I forgot about the canned corn line from Fire Walk with Me.
Wondetful vid. I have thought and read deeply about TP S3, so much of this was explored territory for me, but you guys summarized and verbalized it beautifully. Beyond that, I had completely forgotten about Douglas Milford. I also completely missed The Experiment vs. Señorita Dido as competing mother figures! Thanks do much for sharing your thoughts!
"From pure air, we have descended. From pure air, going up and down. Intercourse between the two worlds." - The Man From Another Place
Isn't the bearded man seen in Phillip Jefferies "black lodge meeting" (fire walk with me) vision very similar to the Woodsman? Or do we already know who that is?
You guys do the best analysis I've seen so far! I love all the episode clips and how you tie what's going on into Lynch's and Frost's other work. I'll look forward to seeing what you come up with for our hiatus week!
The beetle frog thumping entering the window reminded me of how BOB entered Lora's window in FWWM.
Another thing - just now hit me that Leeland could have always enter Lora's room through the door, but BOB entered through the window. Why?
The mother experiment character seems to look like the thing from the glass box that attacks Sam and Tracy.
Gabriela Franco Yup! They're the same or at least of the same. We believe.
I'd have to go back but it seemed like this experiment had a female figure where as the attacking experiment in the glass box did not seem to have a female figure. Again I'd have to watch that scene again.
This mouth-head figure is seen in a lot of Lynches artwork. He paints and makes art installations, where you'll always find a scary looking hairless eyeless noseless head with a big mouth vomiting stuff. If I could attach a photo from the exhibition I went to, I would show what I mean.
oh ok thanks
I believe they are both credited as "Experiment"... that is, if I remember correctly. As soon as I saw the Experiment (Mother of Bob?), I thought the same thing.
I look forward to these almost as much as new episodes. Great work guys.
I looked for this video immediately after I watched the episode. I figured it would take you guys a little more time to break this one down.
After 2years I have revisited this and it’s still very much an excellent explanation XX
This both a great breakdown and a hilarious commentary about the wonderful insanity of this show. subscribed.
'Pale Horse' in biblical scripture is the horse rode by Death in an apocalypse (the end for the characters killed), in which he kills during the event. Notice the woodsman we first saw in the cell, the whites of his eyes; very prominent. His
pupils and Character is 'dark within', hence bearing death to those in contact. The woodsman emerges from the explosion test, in correlation: J.Robert O' quotes "now I am become death". Death had come, and rides off on 'Pale Horse' as the episode ends.
In Beyond Life and Death, the last episode of Twin Peaks season 2, just after Windon Earle kills Cooper, time goes back and we see an explosion reminiscent of what happened in Part 8, before BOB tells Cooper that Windom was wrong, and that he couldn't take his soul.
Also, the MC made me think of the Red Room singer from that same episode, but maybe the Mullhoand Drive connection makes more sense.
The ritual scene has a pretty strong resemblance to "Begotten".
Freddy Kruger excellent pickup. I thought I was the only one who saw this film.
Freddy Kruger Great observation! Another friend of mine thought the same. Mehrige is surely influenced by Lynch. Why not go both ways?
Freddy Kruger why i love reading comments! thank you. will watch
Freddy Kruger Mmm... more of a mild resemblance.
I love your recaps, helps to catch missed moments and ideas. Some addition how much David Lynch helps us. In his office there was a picture of the bomb (the most obvious), a corn on the wall (garmonbozia), a picture of Franz Kafka (now with the strange bug it makes even more sense) and he was whistling "Engel" from Rammstein (I think referring to Laura also resembling the ending of Fire walk with me).
You did it! Great job with this video about what has got to be the hardest episode of TV to ever have to breakdown.
Great job! I had a lot of this in mind and you helped confirm most of it! Parts are still flushing out, but so far, you guys are doing a good job!
Great videos, Guys. Episode 8 may be the best thing I've ever seen on TV.
regarding the the drawing on the playing card - if you look closely at the garmonbozia spewing creature's head, there are little horns on its temples - maybe a closer match than arms bent back?
I love how they seem to have tapped into classic Hopperian imagery for some of the frames in the Awakening-of-Evil segment: the Convenience Store (American Gas station), the view of the secretary across the window panes, the white porch lit by the lantern, the diner... so beautifully done, I was so excited.
Eleonora Branchesi Edmund or Dennis? ;)
Chesterette Ha! I hadn't thought about him :D Anyways, I meant Edward
Eleonora Branchesi Whoops... Shoulda googled the guy's first name, dammit. I do know who he is, though. Nighthawks. Diner.
This made me appreciate the episode so much more, I’m no longer mad about having watched it.
At the movie theater, the golden stuff that comes out of the Giant's head takes the shape of a tree before it becomes an orb. Don't know if I'm reaching too far, but it reminded me of the tree that Mike presents to Cooper as the Arm in the beginning fo this season.
Great job with the episode guys, REALLY needed it.
I'm thinking the young girl is the log lady, and the creature is the thing talking to her not her log.
Ben Treece could she be Bob's mother? since he used to be mortal
Ben Treece i was thinking the same thing. like, which lady would be about thst age?
Ben Treece Other interpretations I have heard identify the girl at the end as Laura Palmer's Mom. Also: many think the "Got a light?" Woodsman is/was the Log Lady's husband, a logger or "woodsman" who died in a fire the day after their wedding.
Log Lady's husband would be as old as the hill's if he is the "Gotta light" woodsman.
He's an old man in 1945 and The Log Lady would probably not be very old, if even born, in 1945.
It'd still work if the Woodsman didn't age (which I can't imagine anyway)... but I'm guessing we won't know at all ^^
You guys are awesome. I really enjoy your breakdowns - it just adds to my viewing experience in a really great way. I will look forward to whatever you choose to cover next week :) personally very interested in the whole Briggs / blue rose deal.. and also: please speculate more about when (or if!) Coop will regain his own self.. my sanity needs it 🤓
i watched the original run and fwwm but never got around to season 3, but watching these guys and their chemistry has me wanting to brush up on the OG series and work my way up to the return. these videos are just so fun to watch lol
Something clicked for me regarding The Giant and the questions surrounding his appearances in certain time periods. 'Future/past was referenced and it reminded me of the mantra:
Through the darkness of futures past. The magician longs to see. One chants out between two worlds. Fire walk with me.
I think The Giant is actually The Magician. He even goes up on stage and performs a kind of magic show (levitating has been done to death though!) where he makes Laura Palmers orb. Then he has his assistant of sorts with him to show off the orb to the crowd (us basically).
I'd love to know what you guys think of this! Not sure what the implications are of this. Love your show by the way!
I loved the Nuclear explosion/Penderecki scene as well, but there is more accomplished here than our hosts acknowledge. The footage of the nuclear test explosion was just declassified and released in January, I believe. To superimpose these images over the complete musical piece of Penderecki "Threnody for Hiroshima" represents a milestone in American television. It's the post-modern moment! Post modern music and art is finally acceptable in its entirety on American television. An amazing accomplishment. Look how far we've come as an audience in a few short episodes. Think of all the groundwork that was necessary to prepare the audience for eight minutes of Penderecki.
I love the musical aspect of Twin Peaks. Instead of exploiting music by ripping it into tiny pieces, Lynch presents it whole. It takes time and practice to listen to music. It takes practice to watch good theater or to appreciate any of the fine arts. Twin Peaks works by demanding more of its audience than any show in the history of TV.
There is one major Twin Peaks question still waiting to be answered but everyone seems to either have forgotten about it or avoiding it. What happened to Agent Chester Desmond?
I think "the Farm" is the place where we first saw bad Coop disarm a guy with a shotgun twice without even trying with the toothless woman and the. . . can I say "country folk" without offending anyone??? LOL
Do you think the Black Box in Buenos Aires is a reference to Borges "The Aleph"?
The convenience store scene reminds me of what the one-armed man said about the store on the pilot episode of the series.
Also, that store and the gasoline island has the same configuration as Big Ed's Gas Farm, before Ed actually owned it.
The sound that the KPJK's turntable does when The Woodsman stpos the vinyl is pretty similar to the one of the phonograph in the initial sequence of this season with The Giant and Coop. "The sounds from the outside".
"God of light?"
Mr. Cooper, your next assignment is in the town of Silent Hill.
In all the breakdown videos I've watched, no one has acknowledged the very obscure, brief appearance of a horse in the explosion! During the black & white scene where it looks like snow/static, at approximately 19:21 watch the top of the screen closely and you can very clearly see the bottom half of what appears to be a horse quickly dip in & out of the frame
666ATB666 Ooooh. I'll have to have another look!
Totally agree wit Bob origin story. Loved the possible Easter Egg about Diane's hair! Keep them coming.
Four things:
1) We don't know for certain that Ray was talking to Phillip _Jeffries_. He addresses the person he's speaking with as 'Phillip', and that's it. There's already precedent for the series using the same name for multiple characters - just ask BOB/Bobby and the two Mikes. Keep that mind open.
2) The 'orb' that BOB is in when emerging from Mr. C looks like a lot like a caul to me - especially since we see it over his head and nothing else (because the rest of him is off-screen, yeah, but still). I don't think that matters in terms of plot, but I suspect it's an intentional allusion/bit of imagery.
3) At 12:45, you say the Senorita 'spewed out' the golden orb. We see the Giant make it. We see it has Laura's face when it reaches the Senorita. The Giant made the orb. Not her. You even acknowledge this earlier in the video.
4) I'm deeply surprised you didn't mention that the Woodsman seems to either bend time or speak really really fast - when he asks the couple in the car for a light, the woman's scream is slowed down to the point where it sound inhuman, while his speech remains perfectly coherent. I suspect this is why no one gives a light - they hear his request as a sped-up, inhuman screech.
This entire episode had call-outs to other David Lynch projects. The Mullholland Drive theater scenes as outlined in the video. The Lost Highway like shots when Mr. C and Ray are driving. The overall industrial/surreal Eraserhead feel of the "white lodge" scenes - including the "experiment" throwing up (a la the conception). The Woodsman character using "the Voice" to influence those in earshot like Jessica Atreides in Dune (not to mention he comes out of the desert). As a David Lynch fan I loved this episode.
Just rewatching this episode, and it occurred to me that “the white of the eyes” in the woodsmen poem may be referring to the white eyed doppelgängers.
I think it's interesting that the Bob ball was vomited out of the "body" of the experiment and the Laura ball was formed out of the "mind" of the giant (??????) Could this be some sort of balance of body and mind?
Your faces said everything and echoed every Twin Peaks fan during part 8!