Which V8 Tows Better - An Overland-Ready Toyota Land Cruiser Or a Built Land Rover LR3?
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- ( www.TFLtruck.com ) Big, bulky SUVs are great platforms for overland projects, but how well can they actually tow? We find out with our long-term 2008 Toyota Land Cruiser and 2006 Land Rover LR3.
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Great comparison guys love the show
Somebody “lifted” the LR3 by using non-stock suspension height sensors. This tricks the vehicle into thinking it is lower than it actually is...which in turn puts the vehicle into off-road height mode with the display showing normal ride height. That’s why the vehicle doesn’t ride well. It’s much harsher in the higher ride height. It’s also less stable towing in that mode.
You are right, they should compare stock to stock
I tow vehicles almost daily with my lr3 and it’s almost at 200k miles now... great on and off road as well as a work horse NO COMPLAINTS AT ALL
People love to knock Land Rover, I've had no issues with mine either .
@@carlpearce2252 I’m at 170k miles on my lr3, it’s been more reliable than my Honda and my Honda never went to 11k feet off road or Death Valley.
Anyone Who tow a trailer will care about fuel economy and car stability , not 0 to 60. You suppose to compare LC100 with LR3 or LC200 with LR4
LR4 isn't too different. The LC100 tows pretty well and in my opinion it feels more stable than the LC200.
Exactly, the 200 series wasn't out when the LR3 was new. The LR4 was the one to compare which has way more power plus the stupid remarks about reliability showed his bias.
@@CACressida the 100 series are so solid that the people who talks smack probably never drove one or own one . The land cruiser wraps around the lr3 in price after a few years because it’s that much better . No one wants a shit box rover after 4 years . When we go over landing it’s always the rover that falls apart . The lc and pajero and keeps takes it ahead !
Some great vids from TFL today.always look forward to getting off work to watch.
I say Toyota land cruiser is your winner today...nice work again guys
And yet I’d take the Rover without a doubt
You’re funny ass hell , you must like to fix a piece of shit all the time .
@@backinthedaybmx7940 it looks nicer imo and the interior is way nicer it’s a bit better off road and much better on road than the Toyota so yes I would definitely have it over the land cruiser
@@lbnewell23the way it look is a opinion but the way it preform is far a lesser off road rig . There’s no way in the world can the rover compare to a cruiser . I’m a real overlander and I can honestly tell you that it takes a reliable suv to be a real overland suv . Therefore the rover is not a good suv . I bet if you realized the rover is a Asian made suv now , you’ll be even more biased .
@@backinthedaybmx7940 I’m quite confused about you mentioning that JLR is owned by an Indian company, not sure what relevance that has. I never said I’d take the land rover because it’s a better overlander I just said I’d take the land rover because I’d rather use it day to day
Toyota Land Cruiser all day every day Andre. Like Nathan reliability and if your Land Cruiser didn't have the 2" lift trailer hookup would have been just as easy as the Land Rover. Thanks for sharing this video guys.
I’ll take the Land Cruiser ANY day EVERY day
Yes these guys don’t know one thing about off road . I choose the lc and pajero over anything rover .
Toyota every time for me. Thanks fellas👊🏼
Same here!
a better or a more fair comparison would be with the lr4 with the 5.0 under the hood . the lr3 is more equivalent to the 100 series . regaurdless , air ride is the best hands down .
The factory tow package on the LR3 allows the tow hitch to be removed (well if the previous owner hasn't left it installed and it's rusted in place), gaining you departure angle. That aftermarket one is always in the way. The factory kit also includes 7 pin and 4 pin wiring. Did you see the Towing icon on the dash? I'm not certain on this, but the LR3 has some pretty impressive trailer sway control (there's a factory video showing this), what I'm not sure about is whether or not that is activated without the factory tow package. The one very BIG annoying thing about the factory tow package is that it does NOT recognize LED trailer lights. So the Tow icon on the dash only lights up (flashes) when you have the turn signals on. With normal incandescent trailer lights it recognizes there is a trailer hooked up.
You're, right it isn't activated. Like, mine came from the factory towing package and if you go in the car config file, you have to enable tow hitch installed to enable otherwise it won't recognize trailers and you lose all the trailer controls. Also, I too have the quick release hitch that came with it and like you said, it got left in there so now it's rusted and I may have accidentally smash the plastics hitch lock thing. Also to fix the led issue I put relays in my lr3 trailer wiring behind the tailight
Nice video, thanks for sharing ✌
I think we need to start addressing people saying ' so-and-so went hundereds of thousands of miles in [insert vehicle brand here] and never had an issue!' not as a testimony of reliability, but of neglect. SO-and-so is neglecting their car. I know for a fact none of these things last forever with no maintenance. Love the show.
When are we going to see the 7.3 hit the gauntlet?? Love watching your show.
@ 6:33
Nathan: "eh..I see...sounds safe"
Andre: (surprised pikachu face)
My 2013 LC was used last winter to make multiple trips from Oregon to Texas and back, pulling a stack of car trailers each time (28k miles). I pulled as much as 10,500 lbs with no problem. If you put helper air-bags in the back, you are ready for bear. The gearing is taller than a new Tundra which is actually fine. It doesn't scream in 3rd gear when you are pulling up an incline with a load.
Great work
Andre says "dont try this at home", as I am thinking 🤔 "this is a great idea!"
This issue is one of the reasons it is usually a good idea to place a block under the jack. Another reason being there’s less cranking to do.
@@jamesbeaman6337 It is true, but it was amusing. 😁
The best , land cruiser excellent comparatively , great video 👍 from NYC , be safe and god bless you guys and your family.
You guys always post so early in the morning!
Approx01
It was 5 pm and nearly evening.
@@Agent.K. I posted right after the video was live on youtube, around 6 this morning. I work nights and am usually up all night. The videos usually show up between 4 and 6AM. I'm not complaining!
Their brains havn't woke up yet !!
Love what you did to the Land Cruiser. Look really good.
That’s why the lc cost triple the price of a rover after 7 years old
I love your Videos
From Germany 👍👍👍
I did alot of towing with my LR3 and it was fantastic! I know you guys beat on the reliability thing with LR, but I NEVER had crazy issues that most people try to associate with the LR brand. Honestly the LR3/4 were the turning point for LR and reliability.
not everone is having issues with their land rover its just the reality because there is more problems with land rovers compare to land cruisers, you can see it on resale prices, i see alot of russian videos where they convert range rover/land rover, gwagen, porsche cayenne to the toyota 3uzfe v8
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As an owner of a 2014 LX570, I can attest to it's power. Great vehicle.
That’s hell of a truck !
For the height issue with the LC, just use a block of wood under the trailer jack to give you an extra 2-4" to lift. ;)
You'll need that block of wood, too, if you ever have to try to use the stock jack to change a flat on the trail!
That Land Cruiser would be perfect with the V8 diesel sold overseas...
V8 tt that is . California needs to fall off the earth !
Ive got one, and your right. Best car ever
I agree!!! Toyota should bring their diesel to the United States.
Considering they sold less than 3000 in 19 and rumour is the LC will be pulled from the US it’s unlikely.
Cost of fuel here you need a bowser to tow behind you to run those V8s, thankfully we have the V8 4.5 TT and 70s 4.5TD
Good job at comparing guys, but I think you should've done a couple more experiments to have a more detailed result. Apart from that, I love the show and can't wait for the mods on the LR3
200 all day, baby!
mo power baby!!...
@@benwilliams949 That LR was never designed as a competitor to the 200, do yourself a favour and ride in a SDV8 RR,, there is no competitor to this anywhere,
Land Rover LR3 all day..🏁 Toyota Land Cruiser.. it's in the name.. it's a cruiser.
Hope, there's a off roading episode next😁
We have an 80 series landcruiser with 800,000km on it and it still runs fine. It has never broken down and is serviced regularly. Probably the most reliable cars out there
This is un believable yet true,
I will stick to turbo diesel completely to tow. I have tried V8’s and generally I find the diesels are more pleasant when pulling heavy.
Really good filming. Never could see the AAA truck following the Land Rover around.
Jealous because you can't afford to move up to a Discovery.😂😂😂
Andre, just put a block of wood under trailer jack. Come on Comrade!
You want the d4 with a diesel for towing..... the V8 is nice but the Diesel is better.
You guys are such chowder heads. Comparing two used vehicles with one, two years newer, and thousands in upgrades and fully serviced and maintained, and the other of dubious maintenance? The Disco's suspension components are 14 years old, the LC200 has brand new Old Man Emu upgrades. Brand new Load E all terrain tires, brand new brake controller. BTW the LC is supposed to compete with the RR not the Disco. The 23% more displacement in the engine might have clued you in. Try a 2008 Land Rover that has been maintained properly, with a comparable engine.
Wonder what would happen with the LR4 with either the 5.0L V8 or the SC 3.0 V6
they would eat the LC!!
Toyota, kicking ass and taking names. Toyota/Lexus simply the BEST.
No problem but remember something the my Land Rover of that year have more chassis lees engine. The LR4 is 50 ,50 has new engine with the same double chasis..and at the end when you towing the most important is the brakes and transmission.
shame that you will never feel the 4.5ltr V8 diesel in the Aussie only edition..soon to disapear when the 300 series is released in 2021
Most Americans agree with you and would sacrifice certain children and/or non-vital body parts to get some real Land Cruisers here.
Ben Williams is Great!!! But is not Aussie Only Edition, in Costa Rica we have the twin turbo diesel V8 200 too. Cheers mate 👍🏻
South africa has the same engine
SORRY its going to be a 6 cylinder haha
I think the lr4 would have been a more apples to apples comparison but hey the lr3 is a fan fav
The diesel versions of both these would probs do muuuch better.
Well this is America so Toyota doesn’t give us the cool stuff 😢
You guys are really missing out on the 4.5 twin turbo diesel v8 for the landcuriser
Ahmed Moosaji don’t rub it in lol
I live in Australia and my diesel discovery 3 will drag a Toyota V8 diesel !!
@@chaquisa1 while that is true
The land cruiser is much heavier
Besides the engine is detuned by Toyota for reliability, but they have lots of potential and can make atleast 400hp and 1000nm relaibily, only Toyot a is way to conservative
@@AHMEDMOOSAJI the lr3 and lc are tbe same weight.and lr have motors in later models in excess of 600 hp
Toyota ❤️
Nice comarison, but for me diesel is king. LR 3.0v6td vs LC200 tdv8 would have been good to compare sometimes. Your LC looks really cool. But seems like the LC has a fair amount of toe in on front wheels. Have you done alignment after the lift?
How about doing the Ike Gauntlet Challenge with the LR3 maxed out to it’s towing capacity. The curt hitch I believe maximum is 5,000lbs but the towing capacity is much higher for the LR3.
I towed an old Boston whaler with my LR3 from Boston to NH, it was a wild ride going over the Tobin. Not meant to tow just break down in the woods.
Yeah, that's why the LR3 was considered it the best heavy towing vehicle in its day lol:
www.thetowcarawards.com/tow-car/land-rover-discovery-3/
Have you guys activated ect power on land cruiser ?
@I know you are right, And I just got owned but: your dum
I was waiting for comparison between two brands Landrover and Toyota. Next time do comparison between luxury SUVs Range Rover and Landcruiser LC 200.
Cool comparo
I think the hitch that comes with the LR has a higher tow capacity than the aftermarket ones. I have an aftermarket one on my LR and it caps out at 5500. The factory quick release hitch is rated above 7000lb
UK limit for Disco is 3.5 tonnes but Europe has Gross Train Weight limits which don't always compute to overseas markets.
What was the weight of the trailer being towed?
Does your LR3 has rear locking diff?
How about doing a long term reliability test between the 2 🤣
Rovers are garbage in the long term. My 2 landrovers left puddles of oil on the ground after 70k Miiles and had electrical issues, oh and dont get me started on the air suspension !! I also had 2 Toyota Landcruisers , a series 80 and series 100 . The series 100 never gave me a major problem and it had 200k miles when I sold it ! The series 80 I had for 17 years and it had 580k miles on it when I sold it ! Only things that went wrong were driver side window motor , and heater motor but they only failed after 15 years .
So what do you drive now?
@@fredbrackely Toyota Camry Hybrid , Mazda cx5 and an Mazda Rx8 R3 . the mazda's are not reliable like Toyota but they drive very well, alot better than a landrover though 😂. I am looking for another series 80 Landcruiser and should have one soon.
If they were so good why did you sell them ?
In 2020 we are testing 2010 vehicles
What about comparing 2019 plated diesel variants of each?
And in the news... reliable Toyota issues yet another recall for 700,000 vehicles for faulty fuel pumps and stalling engines.
Definitely should be testing an LR4 V8 vs. a Land Cruiser. The LR3 is ancient and has an old less powerful engine. The LR4 With a V8 was a great tow rig. Or, try a new Range Rover Sport with the 3.0L I6 or 5.0L SCV8.
Used Landcruisers are awesome but like all of the Good Toyotas it makes more sense to buy them new because Toyota used car prices here in Colorado are INSANE!!!! It was nice when we did sell our 2016 4runner we bought used because people were willing to pay too much for a big slow SUV.
guys the toyota is not based on a truck platform as commonly thought. It shares some architecture with the tundra's front suspension but other than that it's it own independent design. And a more stout design at that.
Yea they can only share so much since they are not the same vehicle. They also share the rear axle and the engine. The Sequoia also shares a lot with them. Front suspension/axle, engine and interior parts. The Tundra and Sequoia also share the Transmission. However, the Sequoia is the only one with IRS.
Question: How is someone supposed to take the trailer off since it was sketchy putting it on?
it’s almost laughable that the Land Cruiser is being compared to a Land Rover, had it been a tank yeah maybe that would have been a better compassion 😂
I've owned an LR3 for some time now and it's not a maintenance greedy vehicle.The standard tow hitch works fine, Trailer Stability Assist technology keeps the trailer stable and this shouldn't be on how fast you get from A to B, but how safety you get there and back again. Toyotas are basic meat and potatoes, Land Rovers are refinement!
I really don't see that many people towing. It would be nice if manufacturers made towing an option so we don't have to pay for capability that almost nobody uses.
You mean like making tow hitches optional. . .or selling cars that have no tow rating? They both already exist.
@@donkehmcdonkey3703 OK Thank you.
check your rear lights on the land cruiser
Yes. Left rear brake light
Lx570 tows better, seriously if anyone wants to tow with a 200 get an LX. AHC to lower vehicle under the trailer then raise it up. Auto levels with a much more reliable hydraulic suspension vs. The air suspension of the Land Rover. Add airbags to rear and can go up to 8500 lbs. at least.
I tow very regularly with our Sequoia. It has rear air suspension and it works flawlessly. We tow an almost 7000lb trailer with 4 kids and our dog. We pretty much max the GVW but the beast doesn't complain one bit! The air springs with IRS and adjustable shocks make for a quality ride loaded or empty. I would imagine the LX would be a little nicer when towing given the 8 speed transmission. Never had to opportunity to drive one so not sure what the hydraulic suspension is like.
Bad comparison. Do a 70mph chicane with the trailer then you'll see the difference. The LC will be on its roof. The trailer behind the LR might be on two wheels for an instant but back in line real quick.
There's a big technology difference between these two cars regardless of the bonnet badge.
Land cruiser is the only correct answer. No matter what the circumstances
was the LR3 auto box in Sport Mode? Shouldnt really tow heavy trailers with the LR3 auto box in normal mode anyway.
What!!!! they are twice as strong those ZF trans than Toyota which are crap!!
@@chaquisa1 No, they will fail from excessive wear of the clutch packs if you dont replace the fluid at regular intervals (sealed for life is a hoax) and if heavy towing in normal drive mode. A landrover specialist advised me to use sport mode when towing as it applies greater clamping pressure to the clutch packs. Even still, mine requires a re-build now, I did all the right things but evidently the previous owner didn't.
@@noelwhittle7922 My LR3 has done 400,00 towed heavy weights since i bought it . I have never Changed the oil in by ZF only renewed the filter at serivce intervals it is definately NOT a hoax Lol That is it in a nut shell !! y LR3 is a diesel by the way
Wait. The LR3 was like $50,000 and released in 2003 as a 2004. The Land Cruiser is an $80,000 car released in 2007. Is this a fair comparison?
short answer...no.
No .. it's not!!
Interesting and entertaining comparison, but the more important issue is how far down the road you will get in a Landcruiser, vs a Land Rover. I think we all know the answer to that.
My money is on the LR, I own an lr3 it’s a tank
Could somebody please explain what it's about with that trailer break controllers? Towing seems so different in europe.
@@therealSIRBOOM thanks. I thought somehow in that direction but wasn't quite sure.
The LR3 needs a Lucky 8 SYA kit it would put the ride back to basically stock and give you a true 2.5” lift.
Why worry about a lift it can clear 12" now then some with the air suspension extended mode
If you're going to tow with the Land Rover, make sure you bring the Land Cruiser to tow it back when it breaks down. Actually, you'll need two Land Cruisers, one for the Land Rover and one for the trailer.
dangerousmythbuster ahaha 😂😂💯👍 So True
Where’s the Yukon launch? Dud
But today Land Rover with the Range Rover svr ecrase new land cruiser 575hp vs 380hp
Soo.... why did you not do a brake test? That more important then the 0-60mph
SUV with 30% larger engine beats less powerful SUV in drag race shocker!
they are both 4x4 with very powerful engines they even have diesel engines, even the land cruiser diesel engine iss still biger than the land rover diesel so.....
I towed my 6,000 Lbs RV with Mercedes ML, GL, Touareg TDI, Ram Ecodiesel, GMC 2500 6.2 gas, Ford F150 5.0 gas. While the Ford was decent for midrange power and economy the 3.0 diesels were just awesome. Less effort in towing, much better fuel economy than any gas. Pure and simple. The GMC 6.2 was horrible, reving high all the time and had terrible fuel efonomy.
Land Cruiser all day, every day...
Hiluxtaco yeah there’s no argument
@@AmazonDeals78 how????
@@carholic-sz3qv for people that embrace the Toyota Brand Mythos, they are true believers.
@Mr Troll who cares?!??!?!?!
@Mr Troll other don´t and some does
The need to put better jacks on those trailers.
And tow with the trailer pointing 20 degrees up? That's an accident waiting to happen. They just had the wrong hitch drop with them, and made due when they should have swapped hitches.
No. The jack should be able to lift quite a bit higher than the trucks hitch so you can still hitch it up even if it’s on a hill.
Any reason the Nissan Armada (Y62) wasn’t part of this test being a V8?
We never got the Y62 in America back then.
CACressida fair enough. I just saw the video posted a month ago. Y62 5.6 V8 is an awesome tow vehicle from my experience
@230 American Flag 🇺🇸!!
Ironic?!?
What its pound..???
Just because your air bags aren’t leaking doesn’t mean your actual shocks aren’t shot. If they’re original, they’re toast. It will feel much better with fresh shocks.
It's because they have it in off-road height by tricking the sensors into thinking they're at normal height.
Zachary Solomon I ran my truck with rods for years. It does make the ride a little stiffer, but I feel like having shocks that are shot affected it much more. They’re comparing a truck on rods with shot shocks to something with brand new high dollar suspension...
@@andrewhovanetz3525 how would they be shot, it's just an airbag no springs or hydraulic shocks. It relies on air pressure in the air struts.
Zachary Solomon that’s false. It’s the same design as a traditional coilover but it uses an air bag instead of a steel coil spring. So there is an airbag and a shock.
@@andrewhovanetz3525 yeah, you're right. I forgot that I didn't replace that portion of strut when I replaced the bags.
Not that good a comparison in my opinion.
Firstly, although both V8's, there's a marked difference in engine capacity.
Also the LR3 appears to be in off-road mode.
Try it again against the 5Lt engine of an LR4 .. it would be interesting to see the results.
Can a Land Rover even be depended upon to get itself someplace? Shouldn't that be the first criteria for a tow vehicle to pass?
I have had an 06 Range Rover Sport Supercharged for 5 years now, and as far as the kind of reliability you're talking about, I trust it 100%, but it is by no means reliable, lots of little annoying things mostly, but nothing that would strand you. Mine has 130,000 miles. It's really nice for towing too, because its supercharged!
@@turbovolvos40 shhh don't try to educate the toyotanuts with facts. It just makes them irritable and cranky.
@@turbovolvos40 .. and that's EXACTLY the point .."lot's of little annoying things".
and the reason it has many annoying 'little' things is BECAUSE it has far more refinements than ANY Toyo .. therefore by definition .. there is more to go wrong. But as stated .. NOTHING that would usually strand you.
If you want to see where LR's 'pedigree' came from ... Google 'Camel Trophies'!!
I have NEVER seen Toyota's undertake anything like these trials!
Include the Touareg!
Did that vehicle fail? I do think it should be in the comparison though!
Did it? If it did I don't recall seeing that episode. It's towing capacity is 7700 lbs so I believe it's right up there with the LC and LR in terms of towing capacity.
Next time make sure you carry a block of wood with you or two to put underneath the trailer , then you can just crank down on the wood lift it up higher bing bang boom you are done. Much safer:)
I've got both and the 200 is better for towing. LR3 better off road.
I have both an 08' 200 and a 10' LR4 (V8) The LR4 is better at both. The LR towing program with stability and self leveling is muuuuch better than the LC. The LC is on stock suspension unlike TFL's
Land Cruiser are made to last up to 25 years of service life or even longer than 25 years.
Your full of it mate hahaha or Braindead !!
The lr3 is more comparable to the lc100. I'm not a fan of either nor a gas engine for towing, turbo diesel is for that.
The Land Rover will leave you stranded and the Land Cruiser will always be reliable.
Like a lot of Toyota vs. [insert some European vehicle here] comparisons this is really no comparison. Before the introduction of the Land Cruiser, Land Rover had 90% market share in Australia, after Land Cruiser came out that went to 10% share. There is a big obvious reason for this. I don't care if the LR3 had performed far better than the Land Cruiser (it didn't of course) the smart $$ goes to Toyota.
The only reason that occurred Adam, was that Toyota opened 4 times as many dealerships and parts support networks, and LR didn't have the resources to compete.
fredbrackely I’m sorry but that just isn’t true. Land Cruiser is a far far better, more dependable, easier to maintain and operate vehicle than a LR. They could have a dealership behind every bush and it would not help an interior product.
I wonder why would I buy an LR3 while Landcruiser still living on earth
Simple they are Far Far more superior !!
Why do you guys call the Discovery 3 an LR 3. It even says Discovery on the back of it.
In the US it's known as a LR3. The last owner put discovery 3 on the truck and took off LR3 badge
@@slayer66thfc Americans have to 'abbreviate' everything ... POTUS, SCOTUS, CIA, FBI, NASA, NSA, .. etc ... etc.. etc ..
The title of this video should be let’s see which one throws a check engine light on 1st and the whole dash looks like Christmas tree lighting ? LR are good for dressed up woman that park up at coffee shops because a tow truck is a quick phone call away when that garbage can doesn’t start , on the other hand Landcruiser is built to go places where you don’t have cell reception and with confidence bring you back home . X Owner of a LR now 100% Toyota guy I know all about those trash can Land Rover they are designed to get your blood pressure so high that you will get a stroke . Toyota 4 LIFE !!!!!
Trailer hooks go in from down to up not up to down.
Why? Seriously asking. It would seem on the surface that going the other way the hook may rely on the safety to keep it in place rather than the weight of the hook keeping it on the bar.
I'll take the one that won't break down and strand me in the middle of no where.
The Touareg challenges the winner!