I know, feels kind of addiction, right?.. :D - Honey, what are you watching?.. - Nothing! - You were watching Tyre Reviews again, weren't you? - No, no! It's just... It's just some porn, don't worry!
Finally a new vid. Not for my small wallet, but still good for the knowledge. Hey, ps4s cheaper now?? Still love my firehawks - best bang for buck tire
The modern practice of manufacturers creating an 'OE tyre' is an interesting one that's important to note... but I still await a review of an off-the-shelf version we could fit to our own various cars.
I don’t expect it will take too long. How long did it take before the BMW spec 4s* was available everywhere? I recently replaced my 4s* expecting a standard version but was happily surprised when the 4s* was fitted.
Hardly modern, been around for over 25 years and mainstream for nearly as long , all the manufacturers develop specific versions of tyres for their car models and even across models can be different i.e. a 3 series BMW can have a different version of the same tyre type and size to the 5 series.
At this point, this shouldn't be called a Michelin Pilot Sport S 5. It should be called Michelin Pilot Sport AMG GT. We've seen time and time again these OE specific tires are vastly different from the generic tires that they share the same model name with.
I love the fact you’ve spent hours of gathering information and material, I can’t quite picture how long it took and you still had to make 18 minute video. I wish there was this much detailed videos online on everything I ever want to google :D
@@tyrereviews great work! I recently bought a set of all season tyres based on your videos, driving to Slovakia from UK in december. We can’t store winter set of tyres anywhere as we live in flat and changing winter to summer tyres is really costly this was reasonable option thanks a lot
The way you automatically look in the mirror when “soft handling” testing, even though no one else is behind you shows how it’s a subconscious act in us when driving. Great video 👍🏽
@@2seep Probably not as well, since it's been designed for heavy cars. Unfortunately. Several car developers have said that it's hard to get good driving feel into their supercars due to the tires making it almost impossible. They've been designed to remove all feel.
I don't have a sports car and will not buy these tires until I do, but I love watching your videos for the information and production value. Also, you/this channel gave me the info to choose my current tire the Michelin Crossclimate 2 and previously the CC Suv.
It really seems like the new tires are very car specific. Tire technology is so good now that the only way to improve on it is to make a tire that is extremely specific to one vehicle. Is that why we are only seeing the new PSS5 as original equipment now? There don’t seem to be any generic PSS5 tires available in the US. That is great for new cars but doesn’t really help us for older cars. However, those PSS5 tires do seem quite exceptional on this vehicle.
There's no official reason as to why there's no aftermarket version of the PSS5 yet, my unofficial theory is they wanted to bring out a tyre with a big gap to the competition, and the SC7 moved the competition on so they've been working on further improvements. I'm confident when the PSS5 is out in aftermarket it will be something special and worth the wait.
I agree. I would also love to see the PSS 5 against the P Zero R. I anticipate these 2 tyres would be the top 2 on the market, that is when the PSS 5 finally comes to the aftermarket. They both have taken quite a while to be launched, so I hope the wait will be worth it. My guess is the P Zero R might have a slight edge in the dry, the PSS 5 a slight edge in the wet. LOL.
When you add in that alongside the Tyre/Chassis/Steering tuning ( with presumably mulitple damper setttings) the ABS/TCS Stability control system is being tuned, the engine tune is being developed , the gear box tune is being developed, and they are all interlinked when it becomes how the end customer perceives the car the levels of development complexity go up exponentially - and this is just for a single model . Look again at a higher volume model with multiple engines gear boxes, brake variants, FWD and AWD etc, and the development matrix hit's a whole other level.
I like the emphasis on “soft” driving. Because I live in the US Appalachian mountains, I get to engage in, ahem, spirited driving. But 75% of my driving is just getting somewhere. Thanks.
Thanks for touching on the wear resistance. That's one of the things I really like about my Pilot Sport 4S and Pilot Sport 5 tyres - they last a long time. I tend to replace them when they start getting a little too hard, rather than worn out or (like some of the competition) they start falling apart.
So this isn't the Pilot Sport S 5 that any of us are going to buy, it's the very specific OEM tyre for a 160 grand 2 ton Mercedes? Nothing wrong with that, but I'll wait for your undoubtedly excellent review of the one we will actually be buying and using.
Amazing review as always sir! Always fascinated by your videos. I recall one of your previous reviews with the star * marked BMW Pilot Sport 4S being so good, it could be the new S 5. How do they compare in your opinion?
So as I'm due for new tyres, is it worth the upgrade from the Spport 4 S "N" on my Porsche 911 to this new Sport 5 S? Or is this more dialed in for the AMG and I should wait until there are Porsche 911 "N" versions of the Sport 5 S released?
I am looking forward to seeing the UUHP segment super test as and when you do it. I’m very keen to see if your assessment of Falken’s RS820 is similar to mine as I’ve taken the plunge and had a set fitted to my car. (Very happy with them). Though based on this “early days” review of the PSS5, I think they need to hurry up and come to the mainstream 👀
I've been trying to get a test sorted with the 820 but the limited sizes make it tricky. Let me know more details once you've got some more time on them and please leave a review on www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Falken/Azenis-RS820.htm
Imagine how frustrating it is for an engineer to go to this length for development's sake, and then immediately see owners claim "they just put the mark on the tire so they can charge more for the same thing"
It really probably isn't much of an engineering decision at all but a marketing one. Would love to see laptimes comparing the two instead of just "HEY MAN ENGINEERS MADE IT SO IT MUST BE THAT MUCH BETTER". And a blind test
Why bother waiting? Just buy from another manufacturer if Michelin don't want to sell to the aftermarket (I went with Continental). Michelin must be making a lot of money from these OEM deals to justify delaying the aftermarket standard product
Dear Jonathan. I this video, I noticed you said these tires are not available aftermarket(?). I replaced my BMW/star-marked Pilot Super Sport for my BMW F85/X5M with the new PS5S AML "Acoustic" (sound insulating foam inside) back in May. I'm sure these are available throughout Europe. You should be able to do more tests, yes? Any plans atm, and, if so, what's next up for testing the PS5S? Best.
@@tyrereviews definately more silent, on daily driving i don't recognize much to or from regarding handling. Haven't been on track. When will you do more PS5S tests? BR
Greetings from Pennsylvania USA, love ur videos. Bit disappointed that we have to wait for the tire to be available for purchase, but that’s to be expected.
To be honest I think the Pilot Sport S5 aftermarket version will take at least a year to be released for the aftermarket. I see in EU Michelin have released new sizes in the Pilot Sport 4S, the became available in M140i/M240i sizes fellow owners please take note :) ! So I think they will exploit the 4S even more as it still highly wanted and still an amazing tyre. I guess it takes effort to relocate production lines etc so Im guessing they will produce them for longer to just a couple of months.. Maybe they will use the knowlegde they used for the OEM tyres more and use it more in the aftermarket tyres and release a banger of tyre when they feel ready. Cheers for the video Jonathan was a joy to watch.
Figured this review was near when I saw the star marked version of these tires on the new M5. Still awesome to get your thoughts on this, cant wait for you to test the star marked tires again hopefully!
As usual a very nice review though this tyre so far is non-existing for most of the drivers making it useless. P.S. please let the person you are interviewing speak,don’t interrupt. Thank you
So it is basically Pierre who is responsible for the vague steering feel of PS4S and the dead center 😊 That was a big step back from the amazing feel of Pilot Supersport. Cannot wait to test the PSS5 and I hope Michelin got back to the proper steering feel.
@@pcsullog very interesting. I've not tested them myself but the porsche guys generally get hard over Michelin and really upset if their cars come on pirellis.
Thanks, Jon, for keeping us informed on a tire that I'm hoping will be a good successor to the PS4S. This tire looks as if it would probably be good for a car like mine, a NA 390 hp 3200 lb FM RWD 6MT sports coupe. Unfortunately, it doesn't look as if Michelin will have sizes available for the mass market before I need to get new tires, so I guess I'll soldier on with the 4S.
I’ve been waiting for a review of the all new S5 and your reporting did not disappoint 👊 However having recently purchased a Fresh set of 19inch 4S’s for my 05 E46 M3 I was heavily disappointed that these S5’s are still not available on the market 😬 I mean didn’t Michelin announce the development of the S5’s 2 years ago? What is taking so long?
Matt, regarding the death bolt, if you snap head of the bolt, you can then remove the nut and keep adding washers spacers to pull the rest through. It’s not bad once you get the idea of what I said
Can't wait to see the Pilot Sport 5 vs Pilot Sport S5 video. Would love to see how they compare and if it's similar to how close the Pilot Sport 4 and the Pilot Sport 4S were👍
So good to see this review, given that both AMG and Aston Martin have used Michelin to design a tyre (S5) for their new models (Aston DB12 and new Vantage), the Aston tyres come marked AML. I would love to see a comparison test of the new Vantage on its S5 tyres to this AMG GT to gauge the differences. The 4S is still a very good tyre and for other Aston owners, it has been the go-to product when new tyres are needed.
Early review on Michelin Pilot Sport S5. specifically made for certain vehicles. As for large market consumer market, give it 2 or 3 more years. For all you warm-hot and seasonably Dry folks, get the Pilot Sport S4 it still does not disappoint in Summer -Dry performance.
If the steering feel is improved over the PS4S then I might just have to jump from the Goodyear F1 SS. On another note, I’d love to see your thoughts on the AD09. Another mega track/UUHP test is always a great watch!
Can't wait for public release + benchmark against Continental SC7. As a current 100% satisfied owner of SC7 on a 2 tonnes family saloon, should I jump over to PSS5 🙂
Would the soft handling change depending on the mode you’re in? Your channel popped up when I first pulled up TH-cam and I’m impressed 👉 and now I am subscribed. Cheers
Not a big fan of tyres highly tuned for a aspecific car. What happens in a few years when the car is a bit older and the tyre is NLA? Better to tune the car to work well with a reasonable range of tyres.
There will be M02, so that’ll be almost a decade! By the, say fourth owner, most owners will no longer go to the expense. That’s also a decade of further tyre development. So there will likely be pilot sport 6, or 7 by then..
every OE development is secured by a contract assuring the supply of the tire all along the production of the car + a certain period of "continuity of service", no worry about that.
The criteria used in evaluating the tire are influenced by alignment and suspension. A tire has very little to do with turn in reaction: weight distribution, toe out, springs, shocks, sway bars, that’s what matters.
What are you talking about? Tires CAN have big effect on turn in and feel. When I replaced my Porsche spec Pirelli PZ4 to Porsche spec PS4S, my turn in got much worse, slower, inconsistent and a dead zone in the center. Completely different behavior sadly.
@@tyrereviews That’s interesting because most/all the ratings/reviews I’ve seen of these 2 tires have said the complete opposite (being that the DWS06+ is better in almost every way)…
![This Is Why You Should Fit OE Tires To Your Car! [Michelin Pilot Sport 4S vs 4S*]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/COA630Juf_U/mqdefault.jpg)
need to take a long, hard look at myself in the mirror after realising how excited I was to click on a tyre review video
Your not the only one mate I was too.😂
I know, feels kind of addiction, right?.. :D
- Honey, what are you watching?..
- Nothing!
- You were watching Tyre Reviews again, weren't you?
- No, no! It's just... It's just some porn, don't worry!
I'm a little unsure about what context you're using the word 'hard' in...
@@tyrereviewscould you ask Michelin if they could make a 195/50R20 e.Primacy tire? Kinda stuck without modern options on the BMW i3s 😢
Finally a new vid. Not for my small wallet, but still good for the knowledge. Hey, ps4s cheaper now?? Still love my firehawks - best bang for buck tire
Can't wait too see the Pilot Sport S 5 vs SportContact 7 video!
++++
@@arthurbecker8480 and P Zero R. Ultimate comparison
Yep, that will be the one. Throw in the PS4S as a benchmark
There's actually a new tyre coming sooner than the PSS5 which I think is going to challenge the SC7... video should be out early next year.
@@tyrereviews Available in the EU?
Need to see a PS4S comparison
I'm very excited to do that when the time comes
if he does that vid shirtless, he'll have a million subs
The modern practice of manufacturers creating an 'OE tyre' is an interesting one that's important to note... but I still await a review of an off-the-shelf version we could fit to our own various cars.
Jonathan said we’ll have to wait “some time” for that.
I don’t expect it will take too long. How long did it take before the BMW spec 4s* was available everywhere? I recently replaced my 4s* expecting a standard version but was happily surprised when the 4s* was fitted.
Hardly modern, been around for over 25 years and mainstream for nearly as long , all the manufacturers develop specific versions of tyres for their car models and even across models can be different i.e. a 3 series BMW can have a different version of the same tyre type and size to the 5 series.
The 4S* came after the OE, it's very unusual michelin have release the S5 OE fitments before aftermarket. Good things come to those who wait though.
Lets face it if you fit michelin tyres whatever size to any vehicle you know you’ve got the best tyre. End of…..
Getting the development crew on the videos is next level Jonathan-ing 😮
:D
At this point, this shouldn't be called a Michelin Pilot Sport S 5. It should be called Michelin Pilot Sport AMG GT. We've seen time and time again these OE specific tires are vastly different from the generic tires that they share the same model name with.
I love the fact you’ve spent hours of gathering information and material, I can’t quite picture how long it took and you still had to make 18 minute video. I wish there was this much detailed videos online on everything I ever want to google :D
It started life as a 25 minute video! I need to try longer videos
@@tyrereviews great work! I recently bought a set of all season tyres based on your videos, driving to Slovakia from UK in december. We can’t store winter set of tyres anywhere as we live in flat and changing winter to summer tyres is really costly this was reasonable option thanks a lot
The way you automatically look in the mirror when “soft handling” testing, even though no one else is behind you shows how it’s a subconscious act in us when driving. Great video 👍🏽
lol, I get annoyed I do that when editing, I do it when I'm 100% sure I'm on a closed track too
1:00 So... this unfortunately means that this review can't be used as reference for the standard Pilot Sport S 5 tyre....
While you are right, the reason for this is pretty simple: the "standard" tyre doesn't exist yet. So I take this video over the alternative (no video)
In truth 90% of their job is managing the massive overweight of modern cars.
Yup. But just imagine how it reacts with a lower weight vehicle.
And over power if you're a purist. But they're doing a great job.
@@2seep Probably not as well, since it's been designed for heavy cars. Unfortunately. Several car developers have said that it's hard to get good driving feel into their supercars due to the tires making it almost impossible. They've been designed to remove all feel.
@@2seepRight! Agree. I’ve got Cup 2’s on my 308 Gti 270 by Peugeot Sport and they’re epic. It only weights 1205kg. Can’t wait to try these S5’s. 👌👍
@@pistonburner6448 so what if newer cars are heavier? They're faster than older cars stock vs stock, and safer on a crash.
You never miss with these videos. By far, the most informative channel out there.
Liked the format of this explainer + interview video combined with the usual review
I think cumulative squeaky voice time in the this video tells us how impressed you were ...
😅
I don't have a sports car and will not buy these tires until I do, but I love watching your videos for the information and production value. Also, you/this channel gave me the info to choose my current tire the Michelin Crossclimate 2 and previously the CC Suv.
Excellent video. Thanks to Tyre-Reviews, Mercedes, and Michelin.
Thank you
Waiting for the PSS5 vs Cup2 to decide what to replace the Supersports with on my M2 CS
And then there is the question of when they will become available in 19" aftermarket...
same for my M2, but PS4S vs PSS5, the cup2 are much more designed for track, the PSS5 is more road/wet designed.
You are truly the best at what you do. Congrats.
Your expertise is "Top of the Top"... consequently, your videos are my ONLY source re. tires.
Keep up a good work. 🙂
It really seems like the new tires are very car specific. Tire technology is so good now that the only way to improve on it is to make a tire that is extremely specific to one vehicle. Is that why we are only seeing the new PSS5 as original equipment now? There don’t seem to be any generic PSS5 tires available in the US. That is great for new cars but doesn’t really help us for older cars. However, those PSS5 tires do seem quite exceptional on this vehicle.
There's no official reason as to why there's no aftermarket version of the PSS5 yet, my unofficial theory is they wanted to bring out a tyre with a big gap to the competition, and the SC7 moved the competition on so they've been working on further improvements. I'm confident when the PSS5 is out in aftermarket it will be something special and worth the wait.
Brilliant review. Michelin somehow always seem to improve on perfection 👌
I work in the Michelin mold shop and what we have done to make that velvet on the sidewall is brilliance and super satisfying to touch.
Please explain.
When we needed him most
Tire God returned!
lol
You have to test it against the new P Zero R!
I'm excited to get on that tyre
I agree. I would also love to see the PSS 5 against the P Zero R. I anticipate these 2 tyres would be the top 2 on the market, that is when the PSS 5 finally comes to the aftermarket. They both have taken quite a while to be launched, so I hope the wait will be worth it. My guess is the P Zero R might have a slight edge in the dry, the PSS 5 a slight edge in the wet. LOL.
When you add in that alongside the Tyre/Chassis/Steering tuning ( with presumably mulitple damper setttings) the ABS/TCS Stability control system is being tuned, the engine tune is being developed , the gear box tune is being developed, and they are all interlinked when it becomes how the end customer perceives the car the levels of development complexity go up exponentially - and this is just for a single model . Look again at a higher volume model with multiple engines gear boxes, brake variants, FWD and AWD etc, and the development matrix hit's a whole other level.
Agreed, though you tend to find the high volume vehicles don't get this sort of in depth treatment.
I like the emphasis on “soft” driving. Because I live in the US Appalachian mountains, I get to engage in, ahem, spirited driving. But 75% of my driving is just getting somewhere. Thanks.
Thanks for touching on the wear resistance. That's one of the things I really like about my Pilot Sport 4S and Pilot Sport 5 tyres - they last a long time. I tend to replace them when they start getting a little too hard, rather than worn out or (like some of the competition) they start falling apart.
Agreed, Muchelin usually have a wear advantage but other brands are getting close now
I've been waiting on the MPSS5 review, thank you
Amazing review. Quite curious how it compares also with SportContact 7 for the generic version.
That will be a big battle
Thanks again for a very thorough, well presented review.
I’ve been using cup2 all year round for 6 years now, definitely the best winter tyre for BIG smiles 😁
:o where in the world?
Criminal,,, 😊
Thanks for the follow-up and update on this product.
I ordered a GT to be able to get this tire :D
Come on Michelin give it to us poor folks!
Tanks for the vid as always!
plan b, buy the amg wheels and tires and put them on whatever you run
@tyrereviews 😁
I like plan a more as I would get a car to go with my tires
Need to see it against the Sports Contact 7!
Problem with all the newer UHP tyres is getting 17" and 18" sizes for older cars
Yep, that's a problem that's not going away but Bridgestone are doing a good job serviving it
So is this to much tire for a 2023 Miata ND2? I'm happy with the Bridgestone it came with, but I would like a little bit more grip.
@@richardplascencia1929 you can never have too much grip with a miata.
So this isn't the Pilot Sport S 5 that any of us are going to buy, it's the very specific OEM tyre for a 160 grand 2 ton Mercedes?
Nothing wrong with that, but I'll wait for your undoubtedly excellent review of the one we will actually be buying and using.
You are correct!
if they can improve the soft sides of the 4S tyres, S5 will be the best options for UUHP and some circuit
This is what I've been told they've worked on, so fingers crossed.
Oh I’ve been really looking forward to this 🤓
Amazing review as always sir! Always fascinated by your videos. I recall one of your previous reviews with the star * marked BMW Pilot Sport 4S being so good, it could be the new S 5. How do they compare in your opinion?
Appreciate the engineering insight for this tire's creation. Really excited to see the 'OTC' version of PSS5.
So as I'm due for new tyres, is it worth the upgrade from the Spport 4 S "N" on my Porsche 911 to this new Sport 5 S? Or is this more dialed in for the AMG and I should wait until there are Porsche 911 "N" versions of the Sport 5 S released?
What a fab tire! Sounds like a very good combination 🤝
I am looking forward to seeing the UUHP segment super test as and when you do it.
I’m very keen to see if your assessment of Falken’s RS820 is similar to mine as I’ve taken the plunge and had a set fitted to my car. (Very happy with them).
Though based on this “early days” review of the PSS5, I think they need to hurry up and come to the mainstream 👀
I've been trying to get a test sorted with the 820 but the limited sizes make it tricky. Let me know more details once you've got some more time on them and please leave a review on www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Falken/Azenis-RS820.htm
Imagine how frustrating it is for an engineer to go to this length for development's sake, and then immediately see owners claim "they just put the mark on the tire so they can charge more for the same thing"
Exactly! 😅
It really probably isn't much of an engineering decision at all but a marketing one. Would love to see laptimes comparing the two instead of just "HEY MAN ENGINEERS MADE IT SO IT MUST BE THAT MUCH BETTER". And a blind test
Video starts at 0:01
Is this a new fad?
@@SayAhhdownvote it
Imagine what a loser you must be to take this Played out comment and run with it😂. Living life like a sheep for likes 😂😂😂
Aye we got the same PFP
@@CarsOverPeople very nice great success :-)
Conti Sportcontact 7 VS PS5s exited😅
*PSS5
FYI The Michelin Pilot Sport 4 s ZP Tires on the C8 Z06 Corvettes ARE a Bespoke Tire and Much Different than the “ Regular “ Pilot Sport 4S’s
Great Episode - Tons of information, exciting presentation ! Really Enjoyed it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
What does ^a little longer^ mean for the availability in after market? Are we talking months or years?
Good question, I don't know. I feel like I would have been told if it was this year, so at least 6 months out.
Why bother waiting? Just buy from another manufacturer if Michelin don't want to sell to the aftermarket (I went with Continental). Michelin must be making a lot of money from these OEM deals to justify delaying the aftermarket standard product
@@hdmk213I mean, why not buy the 4s? It still wins all the comparison tests.
We need a comparison to the PS4S to see how much better it is 😎
At 13:46 your voice squeaked a little bit which was funny, but I can tell you are so excited to test these new tires. 😊
Hope you will post more video's like you did before. I really miss them!
The good news is I should have one every 2-3 weeks for the rest of the year. It's been a slow start but it's picking up now!
@@tyrereviews Great! I am really looking forward to it.
Fantastic content as usual
The AMG GTs body style is just so perfect.
Yeah I'm a big fan of this new car
Great review!
Downloading this quickly before it vanishes again ;)
lol this time it's sticking around
Just bought new tyres, disappointed as no more research. Tyres are fun.😅
Dear Jonathan.
I this video, I noticed you said these tires are not available aftermarket(?).
I replaced my BMW/star-marked Pilot Super Sport for my BMW F85/X5M with the new PS5S AML "Acoustic" (sound insulating foam inside) back in May.
I'm sure these are available throughout Europe. You should be able to do more tests, yes? Any plans atm, and, if so, what's next up for testing the PS5S?
Best.
Aftermarket as in not OE marked, you have an aston martin spec tyre. How do you like it?
@@tyrereviews definately more silent, on daily driving i don't recognize much to or from regarding handling. Haven't been on track.
When will you do more PS5S tests?
BR
@@hurraliwl interesting, thank! Once there's an aftermarket PSS5 to test I will be testing it!
Greetings from Pennsylvania USA, love ur videos. Bit disappointed that we have to wait for the tire to be available for purchase, but that’s to be expected.
Agreed, I also wish it was available now
To be honest I think the Pilot Sport S5 aftermarket version will take at least a year to be released for the aftermarket. I see in EU Michelin have released new sizes in the Pilot Sport 4S, the became available in M140i/M240i sizes fellow owners please take note :) ! So I think they will exploit the 4S even more as it still highly wanted and still an amazing tyre. I guess it takes effort to relocate production lines etc so Im guessing they will produce them for longer to just a couple of months.. Maybe they will use the knowlegde they used for the OEM tyres more and use it more in the aftermarket tyres and release a banger of tyre when they feel ready. Cheers for the video Jonathan was a joy to watch.
Figured this review was near when I saw the star marked version of these tires on the new M5. Still awesome to get your thoughts on this, cant wait for you to test the star marked tires again hopefully!
Never clicked on a video so fast in my life
As usual a very nice review though this tyre so far is non-existing for most of the drivers making it useless. P.S. please let the person you are interviewing speak,don’t interrupt. Thank you
So it is basically Pierre who is responsible for the vague steering feel of PS4S and the dead center 😊 That was a big step back from the amazing feel of Pilot Supersport.
Cannot wait to test the PSS5 and I hope Michelin got back to the proper steering feel.
haha no, Pierre is AMG only. I'd blame marketing for the soft feel of the PS4S as they drive the aftermarket goals.
@@tyrereviews good to know!
Then sorry Piere😊
Mine is N0 spec and sadly, still disappointing steering feel.
@@pcsullog which porsche?
@@tyrereviewsGTS 4.0
Replacement from the N1 spec PZ4 felt like a big step back of steering precision.
@@pcsullog very interesting. I've not tested them myself but the porsche guys generally get hard over Michelin and really upset if their cars come on pirellis.
Thanks, Jon, for keeping us informed on a tire that I'm hoping will be a good successor to the PS4S.
This tire looks as if it would probably be good for a car like mine, a NA 390 hp 3200 lb FM RWD 6MT sports coupe. Unfortunately, it doesn't look as if Michelin will have sizes available for the mass market before I need to get new tires, so I guess I'll soldier on with the 4S.
Don't ignore the SC7 if you're in Europe
@@tyrereviews Thanks.
They need to get their finger out & get the MPSS5 custom developed ASAP.
Want to see PSS5 vs CSC7 vs PS4S*
I’ve been waiting for a review of the all new S5 and your reporting did not disappoint 👊
However having recently purchased a Fresh set of 19inch 4S’s for my 05 E46 M3 I was heavily disappointed that these S5’s are still not available on the market 😬
I mean didn’t Michelin announce the development of the S5’s 2 years ago? What is taking so long?
ikr... been waiting for 19s for a while now
I could feel the G forces and almost got dizzy watching you driving
Matt, regarding the death bolt, if you snap head of the bolt, you can then remove the nut and keep adding washers spacers to pull the rest through.
It’s not bad once you get the idea of what I said
I'm getting deja vu. Didn't you post this weeks ago?
I did yes, then quickly unpublished as there was an issue.
Loving your reviews all the way from USA!👍🏾
Can't wait to see the Pilot Sport 5 vs Pilot Sport S5 video. Would love to see how they compare and if it's similar to how close the Pilot Sport 4 and the Pilot Sport 4S were👍
Great review.
Glad you enjoyed it
Michelin is a tire of a different nature.
Interesting the usage of high load speed index. So far they were primarily related to EVs
There is a hybrid version of the GT coming hence the HL rear
So good to see this review, given that both AMG and Aston Martin have used Michelin to design a tyre (S5) for their new models (Aston DB12 and new Vantage), the Aston tyres come marked AML. I would love to see a comparison test of the new Vantage on its S5 tyres to this AMG GT to gauge the differences.
The 4S is still a very good tyre and for other Aston owners, it has been the go-to product when new tyres are needed.
I'd better hope my 4S hold out until next year, when hopefully the S5 arrives in the aftermarket...
Early review on Michelin Pilot Sport S5. specifically made for certain vehicles. As for large market consumer market, give it 2 or 3 more years. For all you warm-hot and seasonably Dry folks, get the Pilot Sport S4 it still does not disappoint in Summer -Dry performance.
I'm sure I've already watched this! 😂
Yep, i deleted the original version after 20 mins or so due to an issue
If the steering feel is improved over the PS4S then I might just have to jump from the Goodyear F1 SS.
On another note, I’d love to see your thoughts on the AD09. Another mega track/UUHP test is always a great watch!
Can't wait for public release + benchmark against Continental SC7. As a current 100% satisfied owner of SC7 on a 2 tonnes family saloon, should I jump over to PSS5 🙂
i can't wait to do it
Why the Michelin PS S5 instead of PS 5S, like the PS 4S designation? So confusing....
Blame marketing
So that they can make a PS S5 S down the road?
The Best Tyre vids out there.
Wow this looks very promising
Oh God finally a new video
Would the soft handling change depending on the mode you’re in? Your channel popped up when I first pulled up TH-cam and I’m impressed 👉 and now I am subscribed. Cheers
The handling of the vehicle will change but in theory, the tyre should behave the same. They do all the testing in the most extreme mode
Can't wait to hear how you like the new Goodyear Assurance WeatherReady 2 Tire
Excited to test that one
Agree my only criticism of the 4s was slightly squishy turn in, if they’ve fixed this and maintained the rest it will be awesome 🤩
Not a big fan of tyres highly tuned for a aspecific car. What happens in a few years when the car is a bit older and the tyre is NLA? Better to tune the car to work well with a reasonable range of tyres.
There will be M02, so that’ll be almost a decade!
By the, say fourth owner, most owners will no longer go to the expense.
That’s also a decade of further tyre development. So there will likely be pilot sport 6, or 7 by then..
Spot on. Michelin will be contracted to make these tyres for at least 10 years, and in 10 years the aftermarket PSS8 or whatever it is will be better.
every OE development is secured by a contract assuring the supply of the tire all along the production of the car + a certain period of "continuity of service", no worry about that.
The criteria used in evaluating the tire are influenced by alignment and suspension. A tire has very little to do with turn in reaction: weight distribution, toe out, springs, shocks, sway bars, that’s what matters.
What are you talking about?
Tires CAN have big effect on turn in and feel.
When I replaced my Porsche spec Pirelli PZ4 to Porsche spec PS4S, my turn in got much worse, slower, inconsistent and a dead zone in the center. Completely different behavior sadly.
Need a new winter/all weather tire review for thr upcoming season
I've a few coming
Awesome video, as always! While I'm a big fan of Continental, that tire in a non-OE version would probably get me to switch back 😂
I'm so exited to do the test
I need these to replace my aging Super Sports LOL!
You can go to the PS4S in the meantime
I reviewed these last week. Very good.
Sweet, where can I see that?
Never clicked faster
Finally! Been waiting on this tire for my 2011 DB9 as it’s standard equipment on the DB12, yes?😊
Wow, what a great video. Thank you!! 🙏
Why am I so excited to watch this 😂
Would be nice to see a video about the differences between the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 vs Michelin Pilot Sport 4 DT1😏
it means nothing sorry. DT1 just says "different tread", but the changes can be really different depending on the dimensions...
@@BixenteDelBosque Ah okay! Thank you for letting me know anyway!👍🏼😊
Any word on a new ultra high performance all season tire from Michelin?
Also wondering how these compare to the CDWS06+
The PSAS4 matches or beats the DWS06+ in most tests. No word on a replacement for either but they must be close
@@tyrereviews
That’s interesting because most/all the ratings/reviews I’ve seen of these 2 tires have said the complete opposite (being that the DWS06+ is better in almost every way)…
@@CarsOverPeople can you share those tests please? I'd be interested in seeing them!
That AMG is gorgeous