Don't Waste Your Money On A F450! What Truck Is Best For Pulling An RV! Fulltime RV Living!
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video, we have a special guest appearance from "The Ford F450" as we tackle the often-debated question in the RV world of, "Do I need a F450 or F350 to pull my RV?" We compare all the stats of the F450 and the F350 and discuss all of the similarities and differences between the two trucks! We have a turning radius shoot-out and find out if the F450 really turns as good as we have all heard! We do some unloaded driving to compare the ride and comfort of both trucks before heading to the RV park to hook up our Grand Design 397TH Momentum Toyhauler to do some real-world towing tests! Before we see which truck tows better, we load the RV down to as close to max capacity as possible before heading to the scales see what the true weight numbers are! We then tow the RV with both trucks and compare notes to see which one does the better job! We finish up by heading back to the RV park to have a parking contest with both rigs to see how the turning radius affects maneuverability! The video wraps up with some closing thoughts on our opinions and you'll want to stick around for a surprise visitor at the end of the video!
#rv #towing #trucks
💻Paving New Paths Website
pavingnewpaths.com
🧢Merchandise!
pavingnewpaths.com/collection...
✅Paving New Paths Amazon Store
www.amazon.com/shop/pavingnew...
📣Videos and Items Mentioned in this Episode:
▶How to weigh your Truck and RV and what the Numbers mean!
• We Weigh How Much?!?! ...
▶Upgrades we Made to Our Truck!
• Our Ford F350 Needs So...
▶Air System We Installed on the Truck!
• How to Install a Viair...
▶Tour Our Grand Design Momentum 397TH
• How We Live In This HU...
💙Get the best deals from brands that we have partnered with!
🚨We love our new Blu Technology R3, Three Stage Water Filter! Check the video out here!
• Do We Need A F450? | T...
Save 10% on Blu Technology Water Filter Systems!
Use the Coupon Code: goblutech.com/discount/Paving...
🚨Replace all your cleaning products with UltimateCloth! Check the Video out here!
• Throw All This Away......
Save 15% on UltimateCloth by clicking on the link below!
www.ultimatecloth.com/pavingn...
Or go to the website www.ultimatecloth.com and use the Discount Code: PavingNewPaths
📷 Follow Us On Social Media:
▶Get to know us on our Facebook Page by clicking here:
Paving-New-P...
▶Follow Us on Instagram!
/ pavingnewpathsrv
🎥 Get To Know Us By Checking Out Our Playlist!
▶Watch us from the beginning by clicking here!
• Path To The Wild West!...
▶Check out all of our Maintenance and Repair videos by clicking here!
• Path To Maintenance
▶Check out Our Second Journey here!
• Path To The Beach! 2022!
▶A Week in the life of Fulltime RV Living!
• A Week In The Life - S...
🎵Music:
www.epidemicsound.com/track/B...
www.epidemicsound.com/track/c...
www.epidemicsound.com/track/I...
www.epidemicsound.com/track/A...
www.epidemicsound.com/track/2...
🌲We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn income, by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Great and informative video!
Thanks for watching JD. That means a lot coming from you!
@@PavingNewPaths no problem! Tons of great data and real world comparisons here. Outstanding work! I might link it in a video.
Feel free to use it how you want! After all the comments I have received I was wondering how long until you found the video! Glad you liked it!
@@PavingNewPaths actually noticed it several days ago but didn't check it out until today.
Made a video and mentioned this one with a link to your channel: th-cam.com/video/tGa3PabT7WM/w-d-xo.html
I don't know much about trucks but I do know that you put in an enormous amount of time for this video. Great job.
Thank you! This was the most time-consuming video I have made yet! The planning took a few days! Almost 12 hours of filming, and over a week of editing! It was fun but a lot of work to put videos like this together!
Thanks for the video!
I own both an F350 and a 2022 F450. I definitely agree on the ride comments. My comparison is between a 22 F450 and 20 F350 dually.
You talked a lot about the weights of the trucks but more simply, the difference between the pay load is only because the F450 is heavier due to the wide track steering components, heavier wheels/tires, brakes and rear end differential. In other words, since the mfg keeps both trucks at a 14K GVW, the payload is the difference between the weight of the truck and the GVW.
I would argue that if the mfg did not de-rate both trucks, the F450 would hands down have a higher payload mainly because of the much bigger brakes that can stop a heavier payload. “Handling a bigger weight” should also include brake capacity, tire weight capacity and ability to accelerate which you did not discuss. You can’t put a price on safety and while you touched on a lot of good points, the extra braking power, tire weight capacity and the pulling power of the bigger/heavier 4.30 rear end of the F450 was not really considered in “which can handle more weight” in the video (big omission IMO). You mainly looked at “payload” which is not the whole story when looking at which is better for pulling 20K lbs.
Lastly, I have never heard a F450 owner wish they had bought a F350 but I have heard plenty of F350 owners wish they had an F450.
Thank you! I think both trucks are great, we wanted the F450 but in every scenario we would be overweight! They are both class 3 vehicles rated at 14,000lbs so at the end of the day it doesn't matter what they may be rated for they are in the same class, making the F350 more capable in terms of payload and with the 4:10 rear end it can tow more as well! When towing big RV's you will max out payload well before you get anywhere near the max towing capacity of either truck! Also when towing any trailer, your truck brakes are not stopping the trailer, that is what the trailer brakes are for! I made this video because the F450 PU is not an F450 it is an F350 with some extra features that make it less capable! The actual Class 4 F450 that is rated at 16,500lbs is a more capable truck, but the F450 everyone buys is not that truck!
What is the difference in gpm of your two trucks, thanks
@@jerryfisher9530 With these two trucks it's virtually the same mileage! The F350 has 4:10 rear end! If you had a 3:73 or 3:55 it would be much better! Both trucks get around 18 empty anf 8-9 loaded!
LMAO at "Ford put more components on the F450 to make it less capable". You put wayyy too much weight on the 14k gvwr, instead of important things like brakes, wheels, axles and steering.
Great info! Thx!!
The F450 is essentially a Medium Duty truck that Ford stuck in a light duty class. If Ford were to rate it properly many states would consider it commercial. That's why the F450 has a lower payload rating. it weighs more, but the GCVW can't exceed 14500 pounds. it's all a numbers game for taxes and registrations.
They F450 is built on the same Frame with the same rear leaf springs and the same rear axle housing! While I won't disagree the tires and wheels can support more weight than the F350 the bottom line is they are built on the same bones and are both Class 3 trucks! It is not a numbers game it was a way sell a higher trim F350 that they call an F450! The real F450 is a Class 4 truck rated at 16,500lbs!
Nonsense. It just allows guys like you to think so.
@@kevinbarry71 No it allows guys like you to feel ok about overloading your truck!
@@PavingNewPaths I think you misunderstand. I was replying to the original poster. I would never overload a truck. The previous guy thought he could do that with a 450
@@kevinbarry71 I am sorry I did mis read your comment!
You really nailed this topic and provided real world data with realtime opinions from you guys who have awesome rigs! Thank you for the hard work producing this and making sure it is interesting.
Thank you! We are glad you enjoyed it!
Hands down the best F350 vs F450 video I have seen to date. Very informative. Great job with the real world testing.
Thank you!
Good comparison video between the two trucks. Both are great trucks and you did a good job of showing real data. Thanks
Thank you! There are a lot of opinions out there when it comes to the F450 vs F350 in the RV world! I wanted to show the numbers and why we have the F350 and not the F450!
This had to be one of the best videos I've ever seen in this subject matter, thorough, in depth and explained well!
Thank you! Glad you liked the video!
Thanks for being so thorough, great video! I gotta say, those 19 in wheels alone are pulling me to the F450!
The F450 is an awesome truck and the rims really seal the deal for it! Each truck has different capacities and as long as your understand what they are you should get the truck that works best for you!
By far the best vid I’ve seen with the comparison. Great job!!! Keep these great vids coming!!
Thank you!
Great detailed review, thanks for putting the effort on this. Having driven and parked my F450 in multiple tight urban environments (i.e. old town Santa Fe) I'll stick with the tighter turning radius and bigger brakes on the F450. Your comment about the trucks being de rated is spot-on. When doing my research into this F450 I also looked at F550s. I called 5 insurance companies and they all required a F550 and up to be insurance as commercial. So the registration and insurance is significantly more but the HP / torque of an F550 is de rated. It seems the campers are out growing the classes and insurance ratings for trucks...
Thank you! It is a very debated subject in the RV world, and the RV's are outgrowing the trucks if you want to remain legal! You can see we were able to max out both trucks with just a 20,000lb trailer! The turning radius is awesome but for us we needed the payload capacity of the F350 to stay under 14K on the truck! Both great trucks just depends on what works best for your situation!
Awesome video. We appreciate all of your hard work putting this video together. Helps me make up my mind on which one to get.
That intro had my husband laughing!! Great content as always!!
Thank you!
Great video! It was a lot of work! Hope everyone is well and getting excited to hit the road again!
Thank you! We had a lot of fun filming this one, there was a lot that went into this one! We are actually packing up now getting ready to hit the road soon! The adventure videos will be just around the corner!
You had me hooked in the first minute and a half 😂 “This one has a hundred more 50’s” 😂
Thank you! We tried to have fun with the intro and are glad you enjoyed it!
I've been researching and comparing these 2 trucks for the past month. This is the kind of video I've been wanting to see. Thanks guys!
They are both great trucks! If it was just me and my wife we would have the F450, the upgraded features make it an awesome truck to pull and RV with! Since we are a family of 5 and our RV stays loaded to around max capacity all the time we needed the payload of the F350 to ensure our truck was not overweight!
That's why I'm glad you did the video like you did with practical applications and weighing on the scale. I'm leaning towards the 450 for hauling big loads of hay on a gooseneck, and then a 4-horse gooseneck with full living quarters with kitchen and all. Very much appreciate all the info!
This has gotta be the best get-down-to-the-facts video between these two trucks, with indisputable data to back it up. Very well done.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video!
WOW That's a lot of work putting the video together. Thanks to you, Phil, and Eric for all yalls time! No dog in this fight since I have a gmc sierra 3500 Denali on the way but that was a great comparison, still not giving up my 2004 F250 Crew Cab 4x4👍 No matter what the sticker is what the truck is legally rated, ask any lawyer 😉
Thank you! It was a lot of work and a lot of fun! They are all great trucks and most likely all are capable of more than the 14K GVWR they are listed at! But I am a Ford Man!
Thanks for spending so much time on a GREAT VIDEO. A must watch for everyone deciding between F350 and F450 for RV use. #F350 #F450 #towingRV
Thank you so much for watching and the kind words! This video took a lot of time and effort to set up and film, but we feel it was worth it in the end!
Thank you for doing such an excellent job on this comparison! You hit every point and did so exceptionally well. There is so much confusion out there on these two trucks and you all cleared all that up very well .
I have a 2022 F350 Lariat 6.7L and the reason I went with the F350, (although I wish I could get the front axle on an F350 with 19.5" wheels as an option), is because I have a truck camper that comes in at 4800 pounds and I pull a 16' trailer. I needed the extra payload capacity and I also drive empty a lot so I did not want the 430 gears. I have the 3.55. Nice job and thank you again!
Thank you! I made this video because there is a lot of misinformation out there on these two trucks! The F450 pickup is not the truck you thought you were buying most of the time! Yes, it is nice and has lots of cool upgrades but they take away from the payload capacity! At the end of the day the F450 is just a variant of the F350 but the badge on the side gives it the impression that it is a bigger and better truck!
Hands down the best review on these Super Duty trucks I have ever seen 👏
Thank you! We tried to compare them using real world data and limit our opinions!
Excellent video. Thank you for doing this real world side by side comparison!
Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Great job my friend. Keep up the great content. It would be great to see you create a video across the big three! I haul my camper with my Duramax and Allison 10 speed but I see that Powerstroke and Cummins bring a lot to the table as well! Safe travels.
Thank you! It would be awesome to make a video comparing the Ford, Dodge and Chevrolet! I just need someone with the other two, to come hang out with me for a day and film!
Fantastic video. You do great work. You persuaded me to reconsider a 350 vs 450. Still toiled over it but you gave me pause on pulling the trigger on a 450. Great job, thanks !!
Thank you! They are both great trucks but there are things you need to consider if you are planning on getting the F450 PU that a lot of people don't think about! In the end if the F450 is right for you then it is an awesome truck, but for us there was no math that ever worked where we wouldn't be overweight with the F450! That is one of the reasons we decided to go with the F350 instead!
JD (The most humble TH-camr) told me to come over and subscribe! I was not disappointed, great job.
Thanks for coming we are glad you enjoyed the video! We are so grateful that JD watched our video and mentioned us on his channel!
JD Who?
@@lcseds JD is the guy that does the BTBRV channel!
I have owned both and will keep going back to my 350. It works for what I need it to do.
We will start with a 350 too as long as we are fulltiming and in such a heavy rv!
I know i am a bit late to the party here, but loved this video. Perfect timing for me as i am on a search for a DRW Truck. Love the channel, and thanks for the hard work that went into making this.
Thank you! We really enjoyed making this video, and it was a lot of work, but it was also a lot of fun and hopefully we were able to shine some light on the actual numbers of both of the trucks for you!
Excellent video one of the best reviews out there keep them coming
Thank you so much! We put a lot into this one and enjoyed making it!
Excellent video and loaded with a ton of great information. Thank you for sharing. Peace and Safe Travels -Craig
Thank you Craig! I might need to pick your brain about camera stuff!
@@PavingNewPaths, feel free to DM me over on Facebook.
That was a great A/B compare. Thanks for all the detail. Well done!
Thank you! I love both trucks! But I see a lot of people puling thse big RV'S with the F450 and I know how close we are to maxing out our F350! I made the video to show what it really looks like on the scale!
Also, tires was a huge issue on my 450. Traveling and trying to find a shop to replace/fix a flat was always a challenge.
We were all in on the F450, but we knew we would be close to maxing the truck out! In the end we decided the F350 was the better choice for the payload capacity! I have heard from several guys they spend so much time and money trying to get the 19.5-inch tires to balance and track right! I have even met several that went to 20inch rims so they could have better tire choices!
My GMC 450 came without a spare tire.
There was a note in the manual that said “You can’t change a tire on this truck. Call road service”.
How do you over come on issue on finding the right shop to work on your F450? Do you have TPMS? Centramatic?
The 5500 Cummins and the comment at the end really made me laugh. Great video! I appreciate all the hard work you put into it.
Thank you! It was a fun day of filming but it took some serious planning and work! It was not hard to convice the 5500 owner to participate once he knew he could make fun of Fords!
That was a pretty good video thanks for doing it 👍 I've seen nothing like it on TH-cam , Good job !
Thank you! I appreciate the compliment!
I have been researching the differences in the F450 & F350 for almost a year now and this is by far the best video out there on actual comparisons. Thank you so much and great video. We are waiting on the order banks to open up in October to order our new F450. We will be upgrading to the Grand Design Solitude 390RK once we get the truck. We went to a dealership a while back to drive both a F350 & F450 to compare for ourselves. Even the dealer made the comment that the F450 had more cargo capacity and I had to correct him that actually it had less since it weighed more. But your video helped me be more confident in our decision on which one to go with. Keep up the great work and we hope to see you on the road somewhere soon.
Thank you! All the videos I have ever seen are just talking or they do truck vs. truck testing! I have never seen one where they take both and F350 and an F450 and hook them to trailer and show you the numbers! We wanted the F450, but the math told us we would be overweight with our RV, so we got the F350! They are both great trucks, but you have to understand they have different limitations! Thanks for watching and I am glad you enjoyed the video!
@@PavingNewPaths yes there are very few people that say and realize there is a weight capacity difference. So glad you showed that in real world towing of a fifth wheel camper. Luckily our 5th wheel maxes out at 16,800 lbs GVWR so we should be good on the F450. But I’m glad you showed for your application you needed the F350. Hopefully this will help a lot of others be able to make informed decisions.
Please read my opinion on the F450 I've had four of them I left my opinion in the the group message
Great video! We towed a 5th wheel with a 2017 F450 with ease. There are some fundamental differences between an F350 and F450, such as commercial grade tires, suspension and wider front axle. Both have the same or similar tow/capacity ratings, however with the wider front axle the F450 has a much tighter turning radius, quite surprising really for such a big truck, which is very useful in many of the tight campgrounds there are these days.
Both trucks are great and the turning radius is amazing on the F450! We wanted the F450 but because we teavel fulltime in our RV we needed the payload capacity of the F350!
@@PavingNewPaths The only reason why the payload is heavier on the F350 is because it’s a lighter truck. Both having to be within the 14,000 pound limit. But aside from technical numbers the F450 can carry handle more payload it’s just can’t be published because of the weight restrictions on that class of truck. Mainly the commercial grade tires, I think there is some difference in the axles that makes it a heavier truck.
@@skoffco It is still a class 3 truck rated at 14,000 gvwr! Both trucks are built on the same frame with the same suspension! Yes the F450 has tires and rims rated higher than 14k but you don't use the highest rating to determine what a machine is capable of! The F350 tires and rims are also capable of more than 14k but for some reason the F450 logic does not apply to the F350 only the F450 is capable of more than 14k!
lets face it, my guess is 75%of the people who own these trucks and campers pay cash, in turn you could afforg to swap axles and add some fender flares for coverage if needed. and 99% of DOT doesnt stop non commerical vechiles so I would maybe through it out there that with good air bags or a kelderman systme Dot would prob not say much if you were a couple G's over....but if your a hotshot driver you better be under
@@PavingNewPaths Also the F450 has bigger brakes.
Finally! Thank you for providing detail on the two trucks!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video!
We've had our 2022 F350 now for a year towing a 42 foot 5th wheel, 2 axles. Yeah, sometimes I wish we'd gone with the 450, but I've learned how to drive it pretty good. Been in some very tight spots and making 1 or 2 adjustments isn't a big deal. I also know that the more options you add, the less you can haul, so we opted NOT to get the 4x4 and stuck with the XLT with the moon roof. The trucks done it's job superbly with just over 30k miles on her. Not sure why your F450 didn't have the upfitter switches, but the 22's came standard with them on the 450 from what we were told and saw. We love our truck, it does it's job and that's what matters.
The F350 is the better choice for towing these bigger RV's than the F450! The reason is the F450 pickup version is not actually a bigger more capable truck! It is just and F350 outfitted with some extra options that in turn make it a less capable truck in terms of Payload and also max towing if the F350 has a 4:10 rear end! The F450 is nice but if it has a bed on it you didn't get bigger better truck, you just got an optioned F350! Now there are a few out there that went with the actual F450 that is a class 4 truck and that one is a bigger and better truck! But it is a work truck and doesn't come with very nice creature comforts on the interior!
As a longtime operator of a 379 Peterbilt I would choose the 450 both trucks meaning the Fords are rated on paper as the same. But the 450 is made to do maximum work all day every day , The 350 is for the weekend warrior . The difference and ride quality is mainly due to the profile of the sidewall of the tires. Taller sidewall has more deflection and is less stable under loads also tread pattern where is a thing on high profile tires. That is why the 450 has the larger wheel size and a shorter sidewall more miles per tire. so if you’re just towing your camper to Florida once a year or Arizona and you go camping occasionally the 350 will probably be fine. But if you’re a full-time RV or I would not pass up the 450 the price is very close when comparably equipped same motor same transmission. By the way nice job on the video I watch the entire thing before I come in it and I think you did a thorough job.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video! I would say a flat top Pete would be my preferred choice in tow vehicles!
Awesome video,thank you
Thank you!
Best test I’ve seen on these trucks back to back….great job!
Thank you! We tried hard to show what these big RV'S do to these two truck's!
Awesome job with the video. This is what was needed.
Thanks!
Awesome video! I went from a 2012 F-450 King Ranch to a 2019 F-350 XLT about 2 years ago. I do miss the 450’s turning radius, but the ride was brutal. I’ll take the 350 for the ride alone any day.
My concern with all the manufacturers and all the weight numbers is this: how many people new or relatively new to RVing are buying trailers based on that 30,000+ pound towing capacity the manufacturers claim? Keep me away from the person towing that 26k# Luxe with an F-350!!!
I’m in my 20th year towing full-profile 5th wheels - and I learn something from every video you publish. Keep it up!
First thank you for the compliments! We wanted the F450 but the math never worked out for us! No matter what we did we would always be overweight on the truck! We went with the F350 because we needed the payload capacity! Most people don't realize that you can max out an F350 and an F450 with a 20,000lb trailer! You will run out of your payload capacity well before you get to the max towing numbers as RV's are very pin heavy! If you have a LUXE you better show up with a class 4 or 5 truck! I think you would be overweight with the trailer empty!
2012 F450 and 2020 F450 are oranges and apples
Great video and fantastic data. Thank you. I bought a 450 mostly for the turning radius. Hoping the tires and brakes don't cost that much more. Our 5'er is 19K GVWR so the numbers will be safe, at least a lot better than our 350 SRW. 4.30 gears are amazing towing over the Canadian Rockies. Rarely left 9th gear up the steep hills keeping the speed limit, and could stay in 10th for a huge portion of the trip. Like you said though, once you get into that 20K+ range for a trailer you're into some number crunching to keep it legal and the 350 has the edge. But only for that in my opinion, and its a biased opinion.😉
Thank you for your comment! We made this video to show what the heavy RV'S look like on both trucks! This is also the reason we decided on the F350 over the F450! Ours has the 4:10 rearend, combined with the 10 speed we are very similar in how it tows! We have pulled over many passes and we hardly ever drop down many gears! They are both great trucks!
Beyond phenomenal content, beyond amazing all the detailed info and data you provided in this video 1,000,000 thanks 👍
Thank you! We are glad you appreciated the video!
Thanks for doing g this with the results you actually showed.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
I don't own a truck yet, this video is SUPREMELY informative! Thank you!
They are both great trucks, but if you are going for a big heavy RV the best truck is the F350, if you need more then you need to look at the actual class 4, F450 that doesn't come with a bed! If you are considering the F450 that has a bed just realize it is not more capable than the F350!
Best comparison video out there. Thanks for posting.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
@@TonyBenton0728
Yes, I have seen them. I still feel this was the best comparison. You do you.
I was inspired to begin asking questions at Ford especially after seeing your video. As a follow on to your video the F450 has upgraded components which weigh more than those on the F350, obviously, so in order to play the game of staying under 14001 GVWR they simply subtracted payload from the F450 despite it having the same springs (which you even pointed out) as the F350. The added weight due to the beefier components on the F450 are, for the majority, below the suspension and thus "unsprung" weight which wouldn't take away from the payload.... Makes sense to me and an interesting angle that Ford is taking. Great video and thanks for putting it out there!
Thank you! This is a rabbit hole one can go down as the components under the F350 are also rated for more than 14K and they are also "un sprung" The F350 has 5990Lb front axle, a 9900lb rear axle that equals 15,890lbs. worth of axle capacity and the tires are rate for more than that! Since they are built on the same frame with almost identical suspension components, I'd be willing to bet both the F350 and F450 are derated down to 14K to keep it a personal class 3 vehicle!
Great content man. Loved it. Big thumbs up.
Thank you! We appreciate it!
Another great video with lots of useful F-350 vs F-450 comparisons. On a previous video you mentioned the F-350 bed rails were raised by 2” beginning with either the 2016 or 2017 model years [cannot remember which]. I agree that can become problematic for Fifthwheel towing.
Ford did it in 2017, not sure when the other brands did it but they are all taller than they used to be! It does create some issues with bedrail clearances if you have the wrong set up between the hitch and pinbox!
When I bought my F450 it was a purchase of opportunity. I was shopping for a dually of any flavor and coming up empty. I found this 2019 F450 Lariat with only 16k miles on it for a good price. That said, I do love this truck.
PS: you DID add the Companion hitch weight twice when adding your 490lbs to the F450 scale weight, that weight included his hitch.
We took the weight of both trucks the way they were scaled so the F450 had full fuel, passengers and the companion hitch when we weighed it for a total of 9880Lbs. We also had the scale slip of the F350 with full fuel passengers the companion and all the other accessories I have added to the truck for a total of 9840 lbs. After scaling them with full fuel, passengers and all the components we found the F450 was only 40 lbs. heavier than the F350 and that is because all my accessories I added brought my truck up to almost the same weight as the F450! (Remember they both have the companions in the truck when we scaled them) So in order to figure out how much all my stuff weighs including the hitch (I only reference the hitch because the turnover ball hitch will weigh more than the puck style hitch and I wanted to include that weight difference) my toolbox, bed cover, air system and air bags we can use the payload capacity from each truck because the payload is the difference between the weight of the truck and the max GVWR of 14,000lbs. The F350 payload is 5375lbs and the F450 payload is 4845 leaving a difference of 530lbs. So stock for stock the F450 should weigh 530lbs more than the F350 but since we have added accessories and upgrades, the F450 was only 40lbs heavier that the F350. They were both scaled with their own companion hitches installed and the weight was accounted for. My accessories including the hitch (because there is a difference in the base plate on the turnover ball vs the puck system) my tool box, bedcover, air system, and air bags all equal 490lbs of things I have added to the truck! So If I were to own and F450 I would be an additional 490lbs heavier as I would have all the same components installed!
Great video, practical, and very informational.
Thank you
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
Answered so many questions thank you.
Thank you for watching!
Going from a SRW F-350 short bed King Ranch to a F-450 Platinum, I noticed the ride was actually much better. In either case the DRW is a better riding truck than a SRW. Tire cost is an issue, especially with the tighter turning radius causing tire scrub, which the factory Conti's do not hold up to well. Putting a proper steer tire on, goes a long way for lasting tires. Roadmaster has them for under $250, which is about what tires for a SRW with 20's cost. IT is the turning that sold me on the truck, I live off a narrow county road with ditches on either side, and the SRW SB would be nose in the ditch backing my trailer in, the LB would be even worse, but now, it skirts the ditch, that 8' makes a huge difference. There are some sacrifices you have to consider, the 4.30 gears are fuel hogs, and are needed for spinning those massive wheels, and a bit harsher ride, but still better than the SRW SB. That is really what it all comes down to between the two. If the larger turning radius works for you, the F-350 DRW is the better choice.
Both trucks are amazing, and if we didn't need the payload capacity of the F350 we would be in an F450! We think the turning radius is awsome, but I have never not been able to put this RV where I wanted it! I think you get used to the truck you have and learn how to make it work! With the 4:10 gears our effective ratio is the same when you factor in the difference in tire size! We think 18 mpg is amazing for a dually!
Great video and information.
Thank You!
Dang good presentation comparing the two trucks . Thanks !
Thank you!
Really a damn good and highly informative video. Hats off
Thank you!
What an awesome vid 👏, can't wait to see how ram gonna compare ,also would love to hear about reliability issues between these trucks.
Thank you! That RAM 5500 is a whole different beast! I can't speak for the F450 but our F350 has pulled our RV around the US fulltime for almost 2 years now with no issues!
We only have 25k miles on the 450, but have had no issues at all.
Great video as I own a 21 F450 Limited. #1 choice was the turning radius. And the beefed up brakes. It’s what ever package you can afford or find these days. Both 350 and 450 dually are great. Love those big hips on either one. I’m happy with my payload for what I tow. So carry on my friend. Get what’s suitable for you. Dislike when people bickering about mine is better. Choose what is better for you.
Exactly I was very neutral about both because we did originally want the F450! But because of payload we needed the F350! Thats exactly right you should get the truck that best fits your needs!
It is correct both are great. I had both pickups but I prefer the larger brakes and turning radius. I travel to Montana from South Texas and back in the winter. Not to mention the wind through Wyoming. Drive through there in the winter heading back south. It even pushed my Ram 3500 drw to the side while driving 45 mph. The F450 held the ground in the cross wind. I only drive at a max 65 pulling out triple axle XLR Thunderbolt. It pulls amazing even up and over the big long Mountain over from Raton NV to Trinidad Colorado.
@@terrypetersen4039 We also have the 4:10 in our truck making it the same max towing as the F450 so we know what you mean as we have pulled our RV all the way to Montana and back with no issues!
@@PavingNewPaths
Actually the 2021 F450 Limited has 4.30 rear gear ratio
@@jimmaltese8513 All F450 have the 4:30 gear ratio! But an F350 with the 4:10 will have a higher max towing than the F450 because once you factor in the tire size they are esentially the ratio!
great job guys, THANK YOU !
Thank you!
Outstanding video, well done and informative.
Thank you!
Awesome content and great review.
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it!
I'll choose under-rated and over-engineered every time. Love my F450.
They're both great trucks! Can't go wrong with either one!
@@PavingNewPaths turning radius on the 450 is so much better & that alone is worth it.
@@jakethomas6583 The turning radius is awesome but imagine telling people you bought a less capable truck because it turns! The point is if you need the payload the f350 is the better choice! If you don't the F450 is also a great choice!
Helluva video👏🏾. Love the detailed effort and the ending was hilarious
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it! The Dodge owner had no problem being in the video when I told him what I wanted!
I love the video - it was both fun and very informative! I'm not a big Ute* person, so I appreciate it when these videos are fun to watch and actually engross me. I also appreciate the time that you took to give us the real world comparisons. Also, your humour at the beginning on great! Apart from this video being greatly informative, it's a great excuse for the boys to talk shop and play with their toys, so to speak!
*I'm in Australia and the differences in terminology are that those vehicles are what we call Utes (Utility Vehicles); when we refer to trucks, we are referring to semis, etc.
Great Video Sir!!!!
Thank you!
I really enjoyed watching the differences and not some differences. They must have thought WTH are they doing at the campground!? Lol
My wife said the same thing! They already think I am crazy because I have been working on my RV and talking to the camera! Now I show up with two trucks and we just keep hooking it up and doing circles around the park!
@@PavingNewPaths Lmao 😂
Love that you are doing this in Lufkin. Spent a lot of time in the are over the last 20 plus years with my Foretravel.
Our home base is Lufkin area when we are not on the road! We had an extended down time as we were home to welcome our newest member to the family! We will be hitting the road again soon and back to our adventure videos!
Best clip I have seen on trucks and rv's. Thanks.
We appreciate you watching and giving your feedback!
Braking and stability is a bonus on the F450 when loaded with the largest of slide in campers!
Yes with a a truck bed camper the upraded brakes would benefit you! Stability I'm not sure I can buy into that!
I prefer my 2017 Ford F450 XL over any F350! It has far fewer options than the other trim levels which makes it lighter and results in a little over 5,000 pounds of payload capacity. The larger brakes, exhaust brake, awesome turning radius, and beefier rear axles give give me peace of mind while towing our 43-foot Keystone Fuzion 417 toy hauler. I've towed our RV for nearly 9,000 miles through the mountains, through very tight campgrounds with overhanging tree canopy, etc. and it does it all with ease!
You sir have the best one as you have the upgraded features and the payload capacity! We wanted the F450 but because of payload we went with the F350! Since we live and travel full time we wanted the comforts of the top trim levels! Our F350 came with 4:10 rear end and when mated to the 10 speed it pulls great! We have traveled over 20,000 miles towing through the mountains out west and never worried about power or controlling our rig! They are both great trucks just what works best for your set up!
Tim, if you did not have a trailer to pull, would you still be buying F450 over F350? Currently, I drive 2020 DRW 6.7 Lariat and is planning to put the order in for 2023 Super duty. I do not pull, but do carry up to about 3500 lbs few times in each month. I do drive pretty fast when freeway opens up. Did you do any after market for TPMS? Are you having any vibration type of issue on your tires? Are you having hard time to find the tire shop to do the maintenance on your F450?
@@wj2791 Yes, I had to add a Tireminder TPMS, I needed it for my triple axle toy hauler anyway.
If not towing a large RV, the F350 is a MUCH better choice! The 4.30 axle ratio of the F450 is a huge negative if not towing a large rig. The F350 has factory TPMS, smoother riding non-commercial tires, a much better axle ratio for cruising at highway speeds and likely better fuel economy than the F450.
@@timpayne431I let my heart make the decision over my head. I did order F450 Limited. :)
I will probably install Centramatic in the front and will look further into Tireminder TPMS for the truck.
The 450, or any superduty, exhaust brake is a gimmick. It’s so weak, might as well not even have it
Great video. I know all too well about going way over on payload. Was always buying too much trailer for my truck. Last had an F250 with a Reflection 367BHS. Definitely was way over by at least 1,200 lbs with the trailer dry. Just got an F450 and it's a world of difference.
Thank you! We are glad you enjoyed the video! Going from an F250 to a dually will make a huge difference no matter what RV you have! Same power but a whole lot more truck!
Great informative video with real world data. Great job!
Thank you!
Omg love the ending!! Lol lol I believe you are absolutely correct on the difference between 350 and 450. Isn't it also true that the 450's eat up tires more due to the wide track front axle? Again, fantastic video to show all the comparisons. I think if you get above a 20k trailer, just go to an HDT. :)
Thank you! It wasn't hard to convince him to bring the RAM for the ending once I told him what I wanted! Eric and several other owners I have talked to say the front-end wanders on the highway! We went with the F350 because the math said our RV would make the F450 overweight! HDT would be awesome!
You created a very informative video describing the differences between the F350 and F450...excellent work. Regardless, it doesn't do much to explain how much better the turning radius and brakes are on the F450. The turning radius is huge in everyday travel with the trailer behind the truck. Parking lots, keeping the trailer away from curbs when turning right...so much easier. I updated from the F350 to an F450 to pull our Momentum for these reasons. A bonus is the commercial tires. I get that the payload capacity is more on the F350. Fully loaded, I'm very near my maximum on my trailer. Given a few hundred pounds difference between the two trucks doesn't justify giving up the braking and turning radius for me (IMO) as these are much more important when it comes to the safety of me and my family.
We all pick what works best for us and that's what makes our country great. I hate the mine is better than yours mentality. You have a great looking outfit. Best wishes to you and safe traveling always.
Thank you! I really made this to show that the F450 and the F350 are the same truck! They are just different variations of a Class 3 Ford dually! We wanted the F450 but knew we would be 600 plus lbs. overweight at the very minimum once we had the rig loaded down! The F350 is more capable when it comes to the payload side of things so that is what we went with! I will agree the turning is nice, but we have never not put our camper somewhere because we couldn't turn!
Great video best comparison of the two truck’s I’ve seen.
The ending was classic 👍
Thank you! It was a lot of fun making this video!
Awesome JOB, Probably the BEST compairsion test and explanation of weights and trucks ,I had a F-450, and NOW I have a RAM -3500, I was shocked, how well the RAM compared , the Ram rode and drove better, I'm a TRUE BLUE guy, , LOVED THE ENDING....LMBO.. Keep these videos coming Brother, hope to see you guys on the ROAD, or in Tenn..
It didn't take much to convince him to come make fun of the Ford guys at the end of the video! Thanks for your support and feedback! We appreciate it!
You are on the money with this! Pin weight may be under payload but how it transfers may change that. Great video best one I have seen in this topic. I have an old 350 that is at 12500 gvw and 20000. We are right at the edge of being over.
Thank you! I really wanted to show that the F350 and the F450 are basically the same truck! The F450 has some upgraded options but, they make it a less capable truck and we showed that with the scale slips! We wanted the F 450, but the math would not work as we knew we would be over 14K on the truck when loaded down for fulltime living! Also, it made us realized that a 20,000 lb trailer if loaded will max out both trucks!
@@PavingNewPaths sorry everyone badgering you!
Love your content and if you roll through south Mississippi again.....we'll feed ya right and make ya fat!
@@tedsheldon11 Thank you Ted!
Having recently had both, the F450 squats less than the F350 DRW under the same load (fifth wheel). Although both are 14k GVWR and the F450 weighs more, giving it a lower CCC on paper, everyone knows that the F450 is derated to keep it listed as a Class 3 truck. And for those bigger trailers, the larger brakes on the F450 make it an excellent choice.
Since the F450 and the F350 have the same rear springs, they will squat exactly the same! In my video the F350 squatted 1/4 more but that is due to the fact I have an additional 490lbs worth of stuff in my bed and under my bed over the F450! All the F450 owners want to believe so bad that the truck is derated and that Ford made a special truck for them and listed it at 14K to keep it a class 3! Thats all opinion the fact is the truck is built on the same frame, same rear springs and same axle housing so if the F450 is derated so is the F350! At the end of the day the truck is a class 3 truck rated at 14K GVWR, the opinion of what you think it is does not matter! And lastly when towing a trailer, the trucks brakes do not stop the trailer, that's why you have trailer brakes! When you set it up correctly the trailer will stop the trailer and the truck will stop the truck!
In a rare event that the trailer brakes fail or the pigtail gets detached, the bigger brakes on the F450 could be a lifesaver.
@@johnhwang339 We fail to mention these trucks are full of so much technology that having a brake failure wouldn't just sneak up on you anymore! These trucks both the F450 and F350 will alert you if the trailer plug became disconnected and even if you had a wiring problem or short! Even if the brakes on the trailer failed, the exhaust brake combined with the tow mode of the 10speed make these trucks more than capable!
Our Ford F350 and Momentum 410 (maiden voyage) were just resecued off of the I90 Turnpike in Mass by a Dodge 5500. I made a couple of Shorts and videos about our experience. In all, three very expensive tow bills to get from Orlando to Laconia, NH. We appreciate your video as we are contemplating upgrading to a F450, Dodge 5500 or perhaps a Frieghtliner.
If you have a 410 and are running at max capacity, the F350 is the better choice over the F450! Unless you are getting the actual F450 class 4 truck, but if your considering that I would look at the F550 or the dodge 5500 they are really set up to handle the weight and have capacity left over!
I love that you weighed truck and trailer basically separate. The way you did this weight test is exactly how you should check your weights. I hope others pay attention.
Thank you! I recently did a video that was about the exact how to on this subject with a breakdown of how to use the scale slips to determine what the mean and how to use the info! You can Check it out here! th-cam.com/video/Zv6wrVJUvwQ/w-d-xo.html
With the exception of the leather seats, both heated and cooled, plus adaptive cruise control everything shown in these trucks is available in the XLT.
Which would actually be the better choice in both models as they would have better payload numbers!
Great video! Hope you are going to do the same test with that Ram.
I would love too! I need someone with a RAM to come hang out for the day and we can make it happen!
Perfect video! Thanks!
Thank you!
That was a very impressive video! Thank you!
Thank You!
Tell Eric what a good looking truck he has! And it's the exact same color as my F-350 :) Great comparison by the way, best one I've seen.
It is a good looking truck! Thank you for watching!
Fantastic video! Knew when I seen that Ram it was gonna be a 5500.. btw don’t count out those C&C models because of the Bed missing.. there is a place in Ft Worth that specifically outfits those with Factory beds.. I love the 5500 Limited Ram with the Factory bed. My Ultimate Truck IMO.
That sounds awesome that they outfit it with beds! We need the bed space when we aren't hooked to the rv so that would be an ideal setup!
Awesome video! Great data.
Thank you!
Fantastic, really appreciate your thoroughness. We are trying to work out if we need a 350dw or 450dw. Now have a much better idea. Thank you!!
Glad to help! If you have any other questions when doing your research, let us know!
Great video! We have a 12000# GVWR GN horse trailer, so we don’t need a dually (we have a ‘17 F350 SRW), but I’d sure like one!
So with the max GN towing at over 30k, what setup can actually tow that weight? A really heavy load without much pin weight? As you showed, you were just about maxed out with a 20000# trailer.
Fifth Wheels are very pin heavy and eat into payload capacity! To maximize towing capacity, you would need to have your GN trailer supporting most of the weight! Likely to get to the max towing capacity numbers you would need a heavy loaded trailer where most of the weight was over the GN Axles and not being carried by the truck!
Great video. Really enjoyed the footage of the trucks. Went from a 17 F350 srw to a 22 450 and your info was interesting and complete. Lots of work to put this together. Well done!
Thank you! We had a lot of fun making the video and just wanted to show the facts and which truck was better suited for thr bigget Fifthwheels! We wanted an F450 but went with the F350 for payload capacity!
Great Video love the ending
Thank you! Didn't take much to convince him to come make fun of some Ford guys!
Great information and video. Your channel was recommended by JD for BTBRV. Thanks for the review of both the F-350 & F-450.
Thank you! We are glad you enjoyed it and we take that as a huge compliment that JD is sending people our way!
Probably one of the best apples to apples comparison videos. We have a 19 F350 as that's what was available at the time. Absolutely no issues with it after towing our 43 ft rig 16,000 miles and counting. But sure would love the turning radius of the 450 in those tight campsites. For sure I think most would agree that all the models and brands can handle more than the allowed 14K legal number.
Thank you! We love our F350 and while the turning radius of thr F450 is awesome, we have never not been able to put our RV somewhere because we couldn't turn! They are all probably capable of closer to 16k!
Love the music and the video graphics is wonderful 👌
Thank you! It wasn't rock and roll this time!
@@PavingNewPaths it was nice none the less.
Thank you!
That was a great real world honest comparison . Thank you.
Thank you! I Love both trucks and wanted the F450 but because the math said we would be overweight we went with the F350!
So funny! Well done guys. Thank you!😆
Thank you!
Depending on what you use the truck for....yes the f450 does turn sharper than the f350 (BUT) the biggest thing in my book is the wheels and tires and brakes on the f450. I've had both and will definitely stay with the f450 period! Yes the f350 can haul more weight than the f450 but hauling running is one thing but when it comes to stopping and handling your not going to beat the f450. That's my opinion I run the road pulling a 40ft gooseneck and yes I need the stopping power of the f450!
Yes you definitely need the stopping power! If we weren't so heavy, we would have kept the 450 on our list when we were looking!
@@PavingNewPaths yes sir it all depends on your usage! I was considering on another f350 just for weight difference but when you start decending those steep mountains yes and exhaust brake is a help but if you really need to get on the binders because of an accident or something out of the ordinary those big brakes make all the difference!
You can get the GM with an AVAIL. MAX GVWR 23,500 lbs. The AVAIL. MAX GCWR 37,000 lbs. So it allows more payload but caps out the towing with the GCWR. Don't know all the Texas laws but I can tow a camper and since it is all personal use not for pay it is not CDL. If you get payed to tow then you would be CDL. Some states are more restrictive. Truck I had licensed dual use farm years ago I had to stay under the ag rules for weight not the CDL unless I transported interstate then I fell under CDL. People need to download the state drivers license and vehicle license regulations for their state and talk to the DMV or DOT with any questions they have. I still have people that say my truck with air brakes requires a CDL and there is no state law on air brakes in the state I have it licensed. Air brakes is part of the CDL test but not the state law for non commercial. There is so much confusing information given by dealerships even that it can really be confusing if you do not read the regs for your state to see what you need to do. Move up to a Medium Duty truck if you are towing heavy all the time is safer.
In Texas anything over 26,000lbs requires me to get a Class A Non CDL! If I was for hire, I would have to have a CDL! It is a really easy process you take a written exam and go do a driving test with your rig! I made the video to show that the RV's nowadays are getting so big they are outgrowing the trucks! A 20,000lb RV is at the upper limits of what an F350 and an F450 can handle! If you're going bigger it's time to get away from the Class 3 truck and get truck that is rated for more than 14K!
@@PavingNewPaths I agree when you are getting up to the 20K at least a medium duty truck is better. Most of the people that use a HDT or class 8 truck for pulling their RV get there vehicle plates and drivers license in South Dakota, no CDL or nonCDL class A is needed.
I would actually really like a Freightliner sport chassis, but it would make our adventuring a lot more challenging!
@@PavingNewPaths International has a Medium duty line that is not to big but would not have the horsepower you have now. They even have a blackcherry interior that looks pretty nice. Not the 6500 GM truck, I don't remember the model, I got to look one over about a year ago that was pulling a toy hauler.
I own a 2020 F450 Limited that I upgraded from an F250. I tow a 14k 5th wheel which was right at the limit of the F250. The F450 tows and stops this rig with much more confidence. I did upgrade the fuel tank from a 48 gallon tank to a 68 gallon tank (love this upgrade). I went with a 20k Reese gooseneck and ball setup for a number of reasons. I have access to to my full bed. Saves on the payload weight and for me, the gooseneck seemed much more confidence inspiring when hooking up than a king pin and 5th wheel hitch (no tug test needed). I will say one draw back to the F450 are the 19.5” commercial tires. They tend to track the grooves and ruts in the road which can be nerve wracking. Also limited options on tires and places to purchase and install ( you can’t just go to a Discount Tire). Also no TPMS option from factory on F450, I bought an after market TPMS system for truck and rig. Overall I love my F450.
We think the F450 is a great truck! For us we would have been over 14K with our set up that is why we went with the F350! We needed the payload capacity, since we travel fulltime as a family of 5, we are never going to be any lighter than we are now! We love the B and W as it is the easiest and best fifth wheel hitch on the market when it comes to hitching and unhitching no matter what angle! You also can never have a false positive connection as it will not lock unless it is right! It also allows me more adjustments as far as ride height and bed position when dialing in the ride! We think whatever truck works for you is the right truck!