This is very interesting. Your personal photos are a real treasure 👍 ! I have never been personally confronted with real hoove problems so to me some of the pictures you showed looked quite scary. It's a relief to see how your knowledge and trim skills can help those horses to get back healthy feet ! Lena's hooves for example looked horrible but today she's got the prettiest feet 👏
Graeme! Fairly new to your channel. I want to say a big thank you! This vlog came up on my feed and honestly best timing. My horse a big boy 16.3 h and a Friesian Paint he’s 14 but farrier said “did you notice Trooper having a hard time holding up his foot!” So I’ve been checking it so I thought best to bring in the vet. The vet checked and said could be thrush but could be shivers so I’ve been looking into both. I’m familiar with thrush as it’s common anyways it’s only till you showed the pic of that crack that I just realized that’s the reason he’s sensitive on picking up his feet. Farrier didn’t tell me neither did the vet … very upsetting two professionals neither good by the look of it. I already treat the thrush quite aggressively! Just didn’t know that crack is a thing but seeing it kinda made me worried as it’s not the same as the other three feet. So thank you honestly I’ll get right on a regiment of Zinc oxide and maybe Copper sulphate crystals will see. Cheers and gave a good day!
You're welcome :) Keep in mind that the ultimate solution to thrush is a good trim. It's when the trim goes so out of whack that the foot becomes susceptible to thrush more and it's usually caused by bad heels and heel buttress which then throws out the bars etc.. Keep in mind that most vets don't specialize in feet at all as they expect the farriers to deal with it and most farriers don't get an education past their initial indoctrination by the last crappy farrier they trained under. For what it's worth, there's a 99% chance it's not shivers. If your farrier didn't already catch this then it's 99.9% the feet as that person hasn't been paying attention all along. Thrush takes a while to set in, poor feet and trim take much much longer. Months to years.
@@StableHorseTraining I trim him every 6 weeks religiously as the farrier advised. I heard you advise to trim every 3 to 4 weeks it’s just there’s nothing much to trim. He gets cracks and chips though.
Cracks and chips happen due to lack of trimming. 6 weeks isn't religious unfortunately, it's double the time a horse needs to be rehabbed and you'll be chasing those cracks and chips forever. "Hardly any there" is absurd, there should be ZERO, anything else is a massive red flag. Imagine your doctor telling you that you have infections in your body all the time, "but they're hardly there", then one day you can't lift your foot properly. Would have rather your doctor dealt with the problem when it was small or just wait until you can't walk properly anymore. That's what your horse is wishing for...
Very clear and fascinating. I wondered about colours of hoof. Are dark hooves stronger? And are light feet more likely to get sensitive? I do like to see your clean trimming and well shaped feet. M😊akes me smile.
It's an old wives tale. The pigment makes zero difference in the structure integrity or quality of hoof material. It's just what it is.... pigment. The reason for the wives tale is that the redness from bruising will be apparent on white hoof and not noticeable on darker hooves. I been a natural barefoot trimmer for 17 years professionally and that has been my experience.
Hello! Your videos are so great, thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge. Just a question about thrush, so on the collateral grooves, even if it’s black in there that is not thrush? It’s been raining and my horses hooves are stinky so I clean them out and spray a ton of apple cider vinegar in there for the thrush
Thrush is rarely, if ever, solved with a topical solution. If your horse's feet are black and stinky, they're likely rotten from the inside out and you're seeing the months of that finally making it to the surface. I would imagine the feet are in poor condition (which is the reason "thrush" starts) and need to be trimmed properly and timely.
My horses are in sand. Very dry. But yet my older horse continues to get thrush. I get it cured and it comes back. Question: can a farriers tools pass thrush from one horse to another. Thanks.
if it comes back, it was never cured. No, farrier tools don't pass thrush to horses, thrush comes from the inside, it's an infection of the foot due to poor trimming. So... I guess in the end it is the farrier's tools that cause it. Ironic.
Is it fair to say that thrush comes from poor trimming?? Sometimes that is the case, but it can also be caused from environmental factors, in particular (but not limited to) wet pastures.
Find out the reason he is sore. If I were to guess, your farrier sucks and trimmed too short so you'd call them back to put shoes back on. OR that person took such bad care of your horse's feet either via bad trimming or encouraging you to leave the trims 6 to 8 weeks apart too, where so much goes wrong with the feet that it takes a long time to rehab them.
My horse seems to be oozing thrush from the inside of his hoof. How do you treat thrush from the inside of the only hole is in the he sole not the central sulcus of frog?
Is thrush caused by a fungus or a yeast? Like in humans where Candida Albicans is the problem I wonder? It thrives in damp dark places and when normal bacterial flora are killed off for any reason. I just wondered if there was any correlation.
I think that without a test of what is wrong in there, it's hard to say. Essentially we are looking at something that eats away at cells and stops healthy growth. Isn't yeast a fungus?
I've never seen a pigeon toed horse that simply isn't just straight out poor trimming practices of unbalanced heels and incorrect trimming for toe length. If you have any pictures for me to review then I can do that.
Founder is a word used by farriers to hide their ineptness in taking care of horse feet. It happens when a foot is not trimmed properly for a long time. It's NOT a diet issue, it literally means the foot has been trimmed in a way that the capsule rotates around the skeleton to cause the skeleton to come out the bottom of the hoof. Any horse that founders should have a legal allowance to criminally sue the farrier for causing it. Anyways, hire a new trimmer that understands hooves and the skeleton of the horse so that the foot gets trimmed correctly. If you're shoeing it, stop doing that as it's a nightmare for the horse to recover from the sheer amount of holes that farriers poke in the hoof walls, which the horse needs on their foot.
My hoof trimming course: myhorsecoach.com/courses/horse-hoof-trimming-101/
Demystifying underrun heels: th-cam.com/video/kGtcangC_8Q/w-d-xo.html
Dealing with thrush part 1: th-cam.com/video/xpJEB74iyyw/w-d-xo.html
Dealing with thrush part 2: th-cam.com/video/nvts-Rr8ZkQ/w-d-xo.html
Recognizing unhealthy hooves: th-cam.com/video/uPamgftw-O8/w-d-xo.html
Maintaining frogs in horse hooves: th-cam.com/video/V2YwWzOe3NM/w-d-xo.html
This is very interesting. Your personal photos are a real treasure 👍 ! I have never been personally confronted with real hoove problems so to me some of the pictures you showed looked quite scary. It's a relief to see how your knowledge and trim skills can help those horses to get back healthy feet ! Lena's hooves for example looked horrible but today she's got the prettiest feet 👏
Thanks! Yes, Lena went from the "dinner plate" variety to nicely shaped healthy feet and haven't gone backwards since.
Graeme! Fairly new to your channel. I want to say a big thank you! This vlog came up on my feed and honestly best timing. My horse a big boy 16.3 h and a Friesian Paint he’s 14 but farrier said “did you notice Trooper having a hard time holding up his foot!” So I’ve been checking it so I thought best to bring in the vet. The vet checked and said could be thrush but could be shivers so I’ve been looking into both. I’m familiar with thrush as it’s common anyways it’s only till you showed the pic of that crack that I just realized that’s the reason he’s sensitive on picking up his feet. Farrier didn’t tell me neither did the vet … very upsetting two professionals neither good by the look of it.
I already treat the thrush quite aggressively! Just didn’t know that crack is a thing but seeing it kinda made me worried as it’s not the same as the other three feet.
So thank you honestly I’ll get right on a regiment of Zinc oxide and maybe Copper sulphate crystals will see. Cheers and gave a good day!
You're welcome :) Keep in mind that the ultimate solution to thrush is a good trim. It's when the trim goes so out of whack that the foot becomes susceptible to thrush more and it's usually caused by bad heels and heel buttress which then throws out the bars etc.. Keep in mind that most vets don't specialize in feet at all as they expect the farriers to deal with it and most farriers don't get an education past their initial indoctrination by the last crappy farrier they trained under.
For what it's worth, there's a 99% chance it's not shivers. If your farrier didn't already catch this then it's 99.9% the feet as that person hasn't been paying attention all along. Thrush takes a while to set in, poor feet and trim take much much longer. Months to years.
@@StableHorseTraining I trim him every 6 weeks religiously as the farrier advised. I heard you advise to trim every 3 to 4 weeks it’s just there’s nothing much to trim. He gets cracks and chips though.
Everytime he gets trimmed I ask him how was it he said great no issue! I asked about the thrush he said there’s hardly any there.
Everytime he gets trimmed I ask him how was it he said great no issue! I asked about the thrush he said there’s hardly any there.
Cracks and chips happen due to lack of trimming. 6 weeks isn't religious unfortunately, it's double the time a horse needs to be rehabbed and you'll be chasing those cracks and chips forever. "Hardly any there" is absurd, there should be ZERO, anything else is a massive red flag. Imagine your doctor telling you that you have infections in your body all the time, "but they're hardly there", then one day you can't lift your foot properly. Would have rather your doctor dealt with the problem when it was small or just wait until you can't walk properly anymore. That's what your horse is wishing for...
Your video is so informative and you explain everything so well! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
You are so welcome!
Excellent video and explanations! Thanks for your time and knowledge!
Thank you! And you're welcome 😊
Thank you Graeme, it is always so informative👍
Thank you for the info. Great video
Great information!
Thanks!
Very clear and fascinating. I wondered about colours of hoof. Are dark hooves stronger? And are light feet more likely to get sensitive? I do like to see your clean trimming and well shaped feet. M😊akes me smile.
I haven't seen any evidence pointing to that non pigmented hooves are weaker nor have I personally experienced it. Some believe it though.
It's an old wives tale. The pigment makes zero difference in the structure integrity or quality of hoof material. It's just what it is.... pigment. The reason for the wives tale is that the redness from bruising will be apparent on white hoof and not noticeable on darker hooves. I been a natural barefoot trimmer for 17 years professionally and that has been my experience.
Hello! Your videos are so great, thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge.
Just a question about thrush, so on the collateral grooves, even if it’s black in there that is not thrush? It’s been raining and my horses hooves are stinky so I clean them out and spray a ton of apple cider vinegar in there for the thrush
Thrush is rarely, if ever, solved with a topical solution. If your horse's feet are black and stinky, they're likely rotten from the inside out and you're seeing the months of that finally making it to the surface. I would imagine the feet are in poor condition (which is the reason "thrush" starts) and need to be trimmed properly and timely.
Thank you. very interesting and helpful
You're welcome
Hi my name is Melanie. I am interested in how to that a horse/mule with vertical cracks in the front hooves.
Here you go: th-cam.com/video/M0ZgnA0Ml_w/w-d-xo.html
My horses are in sand. Very dry. But yet my older horse continues to get thrush. I get it cured and it comes back. Question: can a farriers tools pass thrush from one horse to another.
Thanks.
if it comes back, it was never cured. No, farrier tools don't pass thrush to horses, thrush comes from the inside, it's an infection of the foot due to poor trimming. So... I guess in the end it is the farrier's tools that cause it. Ironic.
Is it fair to say that thrush comes from poor trimming?? Sometimes that is the case, but it can also be caused from environmental factors, in particular (but not limited to) wet pastures.
@@jjackson-7660 Yes, it's completely fair. Healthy feet do not get thrush. That's just a fact.
@@jjackson-7660 Wet pastures has been an excuse of farriers for so long it's nuts. Always blaming everything except for themselves.
I live in Amarillo Texas and we are super dry and I had my shoes removed and trim, now he is very sore, what should I do?
Find out the reason he is sore. If I were to guess, your farrier sucks and trimmed too short so you'd call them back to put shoes back on. OR that person took such bad care of your horse's feet either via bad trimming or encouraging you to leave the trims 6 to 8 weeks apart too, where so much goes wrong with the feet that it takes a long time to rehab them.
This video might be helpful th-cam.com/video/kGtcangC_8Q/w-d-xo.html
My horse seems to be oozing thrush from the inside of his hoof. How do you treat thrush from the inside of the only hole is in the he sole not the central sulcus of frog?
That's a VERY serious issue, you should have a vet come out. It's not thrush, your horse has a deep infection of the sole corium and needs help.
Update??
Is thrush caused by a fungus or a yeast? Like in humans where Candida Albicans is the problem I wonder? It thrives in damp dark places and when normal bacterial flora are killed off for any reason. I just wondered if there was any correlation.
I think that without a test of what is wrong in there, it's hard to say. Essentially we are looking at something that eats away at cells and stops healthy growth. Isn't yeast a fungus?
My Mare has scratches it could be a fungus or it could be bacterial (per vet)
Thrush is caused by bacteria. Fungus is also common in horse hoofs, but those usually grow between the hoof wall and the rest of the hoof
@@sintara8442 Not really. At least not in humans. But then I don’t know anything about horses lol.
@@kkdoc7864 i was talking about horse hoofs tbf, i didnt know humans also get something called thrush lol
What about pigeon toes hoofs
I've never seen a pigeon toed horse that simply isn't just straight out poor trimming practices of unbalanced heels and incorrect trimming for toe length. If you have any pictures for me to review then I can do that.
I have Hores has that problem what’s the treatment ?
for what?
@@StableHorseTraining founder
Founder is a word used by farriers to hide their ineptness in taking care of horse feet. It happens when a foot is not trimmed properly for a long time. It's NOT a diet issue, it literally means the foot has been trimmed in a way that the capsule rotates around the skeleton to cause the skeleton to come out the bottom of the hoof. Any horse that founders should have a legal allowance to criminally sue the farrier for causing it.
Anyways, hire a new trimmer that understands hooves and the skeleton of the horse so that the foot gets trimmed correctly. If you're shoeing it, stop doing that as it's a nightmare for the horse to recover from the sheer amount of holes that farriers poke in the hoof walls, which the horse needs on their foot.