Just picked up a new scram 411 here in Southern California. Your videos on the Himalayan really jump started my interest in an adventure bike of some sort. Although the Himalayan didn't happen I managed to find a Crazy good deal on a scram and Jumped on it. Its my first bike. Just got to say you inspired me. I cant wait to get out there.
|First time I've come across Joe's channel (while looking for decent Scram reviews/ownership experience) and what a difference to pretty much every other moto yubtubber I've seen (Nathan Milward excepted). Real, first hand experience, proper miles ridden on real roads, no bigging himself up, just totally honest, down to earth advice and experience. Cheers Joe
Wicked Joe!! Im a New Zealander about to head off from the UK to Europe and I'm struggling to decide between the Himalayan and the Scram.. that just totally sorted it for me!! You answered EXACTLY the questions I was struggling with.. most of my travel will be varied roads across Europe with a bit of off road.. so it's the SCRAM for me!! Awesome job.. I've subscribed! Beautiful shots of home too mate.. superb.
That sounds like an awesome journey. If you're only doing a bit of off road an nothing technical then yes the Scram will probably be more comfortable. Have fun out there.
Great review and great series around New Zealand. I’ve had my Scram411 for 8 months and it’s a great bike and perfect for my exploration needs. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Joe, for the review and for another fantastic series. Can't wait for the next one! I recently sold my 411 Himi and bought the CFMoto 450MT. I ride similar terrain to yourself (just day rides), and find that on the 450MT I'm actually using more of the capability of the bike - whereas I was happy pottering along on the Himi, I ride the 450MT harder. That means I'm not taking in the scenery as much, as I'm going a lot faster and needing to concentrate more on my riding and the terrain. Maybe I should just learn to slow down and look around! While I miss the Himi's pottering about capabilities, the one thing that the 450MT does so much better is the highway. Given that I'm at least an hour from any tracks, the added speed and lack of vibration is a real bonus for me.
You're welcome Malcom. it's great to hear you enjoyed the series, hopefully we'll be on the next one is a couple weeks. Different bikes give you a different experience and it's great to mix things up, sounds like you're found the right bike for your, hopefully I'll get to try a 450 soon and see the difference.
A very comprehensive review ,our local dealer here in Tamworth ,was selling out the scram for $7600 ride away ,outstanding value in my books. I did notice the difference between the scram and the new 452cc ,is the way it holds its weight ,the new himy is definitely more top heavy .
Thanks mate, I hope it helped. Yes for the price they are great value for what you get. I have not tried the new 450 but hopefully I'll be able to get on one soon, it would be interesting to feel the difference between the two.
That is a review everyone needs. No technical Jargon, just ride review. Good one Joe. I hope you get to enjoy the new horses on the stable 452 and guerilla ..
Thanks mate, I hope my experience on the bike will help people work out if the bike is right for them. It would be great to try out the other bikes on the new platform like the 450 one day.
Excellent review of RE Scram 411, thanks. Your New Zealand miniseries is amazing, keep up the good work! It is a tough choice to choose between Scram 411 and Himalayan 411 because I like both bikes.
As usual very informative and well produced. Just a bit of trivia - following on from your gear review, I bought the same boots as you use and they are excellent. Thank you for all your efforts.
9,000 km on my Scram, and I second everything you've said, and the only things I'd add are getting the protector for the rear brake's hydraulics (too easy to hit with the back of your right boot), and exchange the stock headlamp for an LED (and maybe auxiliary lights if desired).
Great review - I'm in the market for an adventure/travel bike to be based in the South Island of NZ; your comments have been very helpful and thought provoking. Thanks for posting... Cheers!
Thanks mate, I hope it gives you a bit more information to see if this bike may or may not be right for you. I hope you find the right one that allows you to explore the way you want to.
Great review, royal enfield is growing on me, it seems very reliable and practical for everyday riding, not focuaing on all the uselless technology and power like other motorbike companies
I think you have hit the nail on the head with that comment Bob, unless you have ridden for 30 year off road , probably raced and ride several times a week off road in technical challenging conditions, you are probably not going to have the skill set require to push a bike with all the bells and whistles. Were as, at a rough guess 90% of riders wouldn't be able to push a bike like this to it limits, so as you say all that extra stuff would be useless.
Thanks mate, I hope it helps people work out if the bike is right for them. It's great to hear you enjoyed the New Zealand series. We should be on the next journey in a couple weeks time.
Great review thank you! You have "terrible rocky roads" down there! I would not go there even with my beloved Himalayan (but I'm over 60 😉). These machines are the best you can get for your money and Royal Enfield single engines are charming and willing machine we love!
Thanks mate, I hope it helps people work out if the bike is the right one for them. Yes there's not a lot around at that price that are reliable and can get you to places to less traveled places explore, but still fun on the road.
Thanks mate, at the end of the current series where I am riding the Himalayan 450 in the Himalayas I'll do a review on the bike and will make some comparison to the 411 Himalaya, the should be on the channel in 3 - 4 weeks. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for sharing your insights with us Joe, especially the subtle differences between the Scram and Himalayan. The Scram sounds like the perfect bike for an aging, wannabe moto traveller like me. 👍🏽
Hi Joe, thanks for sharing this information. You’ve shown both models to be extremely capable in a variety of conditions. I’m thinking of buying a Himalayan 411 just to see what it’s like. I have to admit I find the bike’s capabilities a big intriguing. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to your next adventure 👍🇦🇺
I had a BMW GS and bought an INT 650 and eventually sold the GS. I have a Scram 411, an Interceptor 650 and a Zero S Model for around town. The Scram is my favorite bike to ride…
you're welcome Geoff, that's it the price point is great and it's reliable in my experience, for a bike that can get you to a lot of places and have a lot of fun on.
Thanks Joe, you answered the question I asked you a while ago, I think I am OKAY with Himalayan, I am not doing much dirt at the moment, due to the group I ride with, being too far away for me, to leave too early in the morning on Sunday in High winter here In the New England( too cold), so am not riding bush at the moment, also I don't ride alone out in the bush anymore, learned that lesson a while ago. That will come when it warms up, plus a lot of bush camping with them, so means a lot of dirt. the himi suits that style of riding I WILL be doing.
Awesome review Joe, hey in your next adventures are you keeping with the RE HIMI or the Scram, doesnt matter really, we love your adventures, would love to ride with you one day im in Brisbane, cheers mate...
Thanks Glen I hope it was informative. Well if I can persuade Royal Enfield to lend me a bike, I'll take what ever they give me, should know in a couple weeks when we start the next journey.
Ive completed 11000km on my scram. Love it. Ive fallen off a few times. In muddy 4wd ruts, thru consecutive pot holes and in sand. And my offroad skills are average. I wonder if i can put a Himalayan 21 inch wheel on my scram??? The other beauty of this bike is learning the basic mechanical skills to service it... well done on your travels.
It sounds like you have found the idea bike for the type or riding you do which is always awesome to hear. A 21 inch wheel won't swap out without a lot of other adjustment, also it can change the angle of the bike. The 19inch tyre is a little wider too which helps with stability off road, the height of the 21 inch only helps when going over the top of taller obstacles. I think stick with what you've got for now and spend more time off road and it will build up the skills. Have fun out there.
Such a versatile and reliable bike. The color ways are amazing, looks the part, and is a PROPER scrambler (because it has an ADV history), unlike these newer wannabe "scramblers" that just don't cut it on dirt.
It is definitely versatile Deependu, I mean you can see in the New Zealand series what I rode it through with no issue and from what I understand that would definitely fall into the realm of Scrambler territory. It does have a cool look to it also.
Thanks for doing the Review Joe, much appreciated 👏 great comparison. I take it you'll stick with your Himmy ?! 👍 scram looked very capable on your trip but did wonder how much of a compromise it was but good to know not a huge amount
Yes there isn't too much difference, I guess if I was riding in a place where I might be going through a lot of towns and cities then out into more remote areas in between then the scram would be great to ride again, if mainly off road then the Himi.
Thanks Joe...really enjoyed your review. You're right about the price...amazing. I could probably pick a RE up? Compared to the mega adventure bikes. I'm hoping they bring out a 650 twin Himalayan 🤔 Take care
I hope it help people work out if the bike is for them. Yes the price for what you get is great and yes no issue picking it up off the ground when I have dropped it, traveling alone that is a nonnegotiable.
Great review. Really enjoyed it. Im thinking about getting a small capacity adventure type bike. The realitiy is ill be doing occasional commuting and very occasional off road and hopefully green laning. Ive been thinking about ordering a CFmoto 450MT but I wouldnt get that until next year now in the uk. I could pick up a 2nd hand scram for about £3000. Would this be a good compramise, or should I wait for the 450MT?
Thanks mate. I would say your idea of getting a second hand one now which means you'll have another year riding off road and green lanes would be much better than waiting for a year. Also you can sell it in a year if you want to get the 450MT, the bike already being second hand wouldn't loose much in value so I can't see the down side, hopefully that helps.
Great review! Another difference if I may...... There's no front rack to hang jerry cans, or bags on. The two 7 Liter bags I have hanging off my framework have been a life saver! It's a pity the new 452 variant, the Gorilla, seems to be more street focused, and has a smaller tank. 🙄
Thanks Terry, I hope it helps people work out if the bike is the right one for them. I have not seen the Gorilla one but the 450 Himi has a 17L tanks a couple more than the 411, not sure what difference the more power fuel engine will make on fuel consumption though.
Thanks mate, I hope it helps. The side panniers were the cheapest I could find, they are the Rhinowalk 48L I have used them in Australia, New Zealand and in the Himalayas in the current series and they are getting the job done, no issues.
@@freewayproject How did you end up mounting them securely? I just got mine and I am afraid that they will fall under the seat and into the tyre as there's nothing blocking them and the weight pulls it inside that gap below the seat. Did you strap them together in some way? Thanks!
@@StoofP Move them way forward so they are resting onto the pillion seat foot pegs. For any bike to ride better you want all the weight as close to the centre as possible. I think people see hard panniers and think soft go in the same spot (it another good thing about soft panniers you can get them lower and closer to the centre of mass).Take the strap that comes off the front bottom take it forwards then around the tubbing for the pillion foot peg to the inside and the back up to the bar at the back that comes out near the pillion seat. Where the buckle is there is a bit of leather material make sure that goes under the buckle so it doesn't scratch off the paint. The buckle will sit right on that bar when tighten. Normal ridding that is enough but if you want it more secure for going hard off road I used the other strap to go across under the seat to the other side, it had never gotten near the will so don't worry about that .
Nice video! That's exactly why I bought scram 411 - exploring. Just finished the 500k break in period so now the fun begins. [; Did you raise the front mudguard? How did you manage to have tripper always black background? What cam and where do you mount your cam? Cheers form GranCan.
Thanks mate, I hope it helps people if they are trying to work out if the bike is right for them. I did not change anything on the bike as I had to give it back at the end of the trip. If you are referring to the blurred background that is from the type of lenses I used on my main camera, they have the ability to create a shallow depth of field so the lenses is focused on the subject I want to be in focus and direct the viewers attention too. I use a DJI Osmo Action when riding which is mounted to the chin of my helmet and a Sony A7SIII for the rest of the footage.
Really enjoyed watching your NZ adventure. What fuel octane do you use? I’m only getting about 200kms to the tank on my 2018 model Himalayan. Just ordered the extra tanks, nearly run out of fuel on a track at agnus waters cq.
It's great to hear you enjoyed watching the New Zealand series. 200km is a lot different to what I get on my 2021 Himalayan in Australia. I have gotten 420km out of a tank which still had about a litre left in it (so should get 450km) but that is not riding aggressively just cruising. I used just the normal unleaded so I gather that is 91 in Australia.
@@freewayproject yeah ok thanks for that I’ll try 91. I’ve been running 95 or 98 cause it’s what I’ve run in all my previous bikes. Looking forward to your next adventure
Great review, Much more honest review than Ryan F9 gave the little Scram. Did you change the gearing at all? I put a smaller rear sprocket on my Scram and it is much more smooth at 65mph…doesn’t feel like the piston wants to fly out of the top of the engine. I did some light scrambling last week on dirt roads and double track and noticed no let down with the new gearing but if/when I take it to Colorado, I will put the original sprocket back on just because mountain fire roads can be steep.
As the bike was not mine and I was only using it for the New Zealand Journey I didn't change anything. I think what would extend the Scrams ability off road would different tyres with a more aggressive treat, that will extend it ability way beyond what I pushed the bike too.
Thanks joe. Would be interested in knowing what tyres were on the scram. They looked like the original CEATs How did they perform and again what tyres do you run on your Himalayan? I enjoyed your series. Cheers
You're welcome Dazza, yes the stock CEAT where on the bike, but I was getting low on the back near the end so put on a Pirelli scorpion 120/90 R17 which had a little more bit. On my Himalayan I have the Dunlop 605D's great off road but the back doesn't last long on road so I have a heidenau K60 Scout which gets at least 3 times the milage (still on there) and has decent grip off road about the best compromise I have found between durability and grip off road heidenautyres.com.au/tyre/k60/
@freewayproject thanks so much. I'm keen to change the CEATs on the himalayan cos I just can't jet grip on the loose stuff and particularly the greasy track. Sounds like a good 50/50 option. A lot of the riding is on tar so the better ware would work out fine. Thanks again Joe.
Hi Joe, it’s been a pleasure following your New Zealand series. Have you tried the new Himalayan or are you planning to do so? I would like to know your thoughts on the new model, as I want to explore NSW with it.
Just to report my fuel economy findings on the Himalayan 411 after 12K+, the sweet spot for fuel economy seems to be an average speed of 43-44kph where I can get over 34kpl. This is the average speed on the trip meter when I refuel, and the actual speeds include slowly exploring dirt tracks and some fast highways. The worst result was 20kpl when travelling non-stop at highway speeds only (trip average was 80kph). I would expect similar or better results on the Scram, but my advice is to check your trip average speed when refuelling to see how you're going if fuel economy is important (eg. money/distance). NZ fuel prices can be a shock.
tough chioce when it comes to picking a bike, the scram done the job for u though. personally I would pay a little more and get the himalayan 450, i think the extra HP would be worth it. End of the day its what ever bike enables u to get out there and do it. Good series, well done
Yes I was pleasantly surprised it handled everything I throw at it. As mentioned in the series, Royal Enfield lent me the bike, as it was the only one they had free and the Himalayan 450 had not arrived in New Zealand when I rode there earlier this year. I would really like to ride the 450 to see the difference, hopefully I'll get a chance in the future.
hey ya, I didnt know they lent it to you. (I started watching midway through the series). Good on royal enfield for doing that. I'd say they would lend you a 450 when they available.......hint hint RE hahah. north island of NZ is just waiting 4 ya.
HI Martin, I have not ridden the Gurela-450 actually i have not even see one, so I do not know how the bike rides, if I do get a chance to ride one I do a review on it then.
It wasn't a shop who let me the bike but Royal Enfield Australia/New Zealand, we got the bike out of there storage facility that is why I wasn't at a shop in the first episode when I picked the bike up.
If you dont mind me asking. How tall are you? The seating position ect looked like it suited you well...at your unknown height. The price point seems unbeatable in the Aus market, but I dont want to make the trek to somewhere that stocks RH if I am not going to come close to fitting on it. Im on the taller side at 6ft3...
I am 5'9 I think the bike would be a great fit between say 5'7 - 6'0. I am not sure what it would be like for someone taller, sorry I don't know anyone taller who has ridden one to give you accurate information.
No worries, I'll check out the scram and Himalaya next time I happen to be near a dealer. Love your videos, watched them all while recovering from surgeries over the past few months. Been back on the bike a few times as a result, but I find myself looking down the dirt tracks but my current bike is far to shiny to risk dropping! Wish I never sold my old DR650
I really like the Dunlop 605D as they are great off road but the back tyre does not last that long on road, so I have compromised a bit and got the heidenau K60 Scout. heidenautyres.com.au/tyre/k60/
Also i have a guess about the Scram 411(which i also own) its heading towards rare territory being it was introduced close to the 450. As i understand new scram 411 are not brought in anymore besides in India, and even among REs Scram 411 are the smallest number.
Royal Enfield isn't a thing in Canada. You would have live in a very big city to find a dealership. Love your travels around New Zealand and Australia. Simple is what I like which is why I ride a v-strom 650. 😅
It's great to hear you are enjoying the New Zealand series, the next series should only be a couple weeks away. Your V-strom would definitely get the job done there, I have been lucky enough to explore some of the west coast of Canada, it is so incredible beautiful, hopefully I'll get back soon to explore more.
The backpack I have had for years and used in the mountains shooting skiing/snowboarding also in the mountains on during summer and a lot of surf explorations. When I sat on the Himalayan the first time it just worked. The back bag I needed something that was long enough for tent poles, so the 40L was the only option I could find. Strapping it down and keeping it from moving about was the only issue as the attachment points to the bike were so close (small back section).
@@freewayproject Sorry mate, I meant it was a tongue twister saying backbag/backpack from the 7.00 mark. I thought it might have taken a couples of goes to get it right😂😂. Cheers.
@@percentbigfoot I’ve come from riding a Triumph 800 xc so it’s quite a change. But I do like it. That little bit lighter and lower for my average legs. Haven’t done anything too serious off road yet as it’s winter here but am looking forward to getting out when it warms up. I have been commuting on it so I’m quite familiar with how it feels and runs.
Gooday Joe, this may seem like a rude question, however, as your opinion may well influence people, I think it needs to be asked. Do you receive any form of payment, to promote Royal Enfield motorcycles?
Hey Gregory, no I have not received any form of payment. They offered to lend me the bike and that was it, they said have fun, they didn't ask me to do anything, the boss of Royal Enfield Australia said just keep doing want you are doing don't change a thing.
Finally a review that puts normal use ahead of horsepower.. brilliant!!!!
I hope the information from my experience with the bike helps Pete.
Just picked up a new scram 411 here in Southern California. Your videos on the Himalayan really jump started my interest in an adventure bike of some sort. Although the Himalayan didn't happen I managed to find a Crazy good deal on a scram and Jumped on it. Its my first bike. Just got to say you inspired me. I cant wait to get out there.
That's awesome mate, I hope you have a lot of fun out there, so many mountain trails to explore. The Scram is a great bike to start exploring on.
Happy adventures mate
Himalayan rider in socal too
I just saw a few new Scrams on Motohunt for around $2500 in the bay area. !! I thought I got a deal on mine for 3800 with 144 miles.
@@Boring_Ira that does sound like an awesome deal
|First time I've come across Joe's channel (while looking for decent Scram reviews/ownership experience) and what a difference to pretty much every other moto yubtubber I've seen (Nathan Milward excepted). Real, first hand experience, proper miles ridden on real roads, no bigging himself up, just totally honest, down to earth advice and experience. Cheers Joe
Thanks Trevor, I hope it helps you workout if this bike is the right bike for you.
Wicked Joe!! Im a New Zealander about to head off from the UK to Europe and I'm struggling to decide between the Himalayan and the Scram.. that just totally sorted it for me!! You answered EXACTLY the questions I was struggling with.. most of my travel will be varied roads across Europe with a bit of off road.. so it's the SCRAM for me!! Awesome job.. I've subscribed! Beautiful shots of home too mate.. superb.
That sounds like an awesome journey. If you're only doing a bit of off road an nothing technical then yes the Scram will probably be more comfortable. Have fun out there.
Great review and great series around New Zealand. I’ve had my Scram411 for 8 months and it’s a great bike and perfect for my exploration needs. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks mate, it great to hear you enjoy the series. Yes definitely a great bike to explore on.
Thanks Joe,, I appreciate your honest comments.. Waiting for your next series Annie🐧
Thanks Annie, it should all kick off in a couple weeks.
This is kind of review I love to watch.
I am waiting for your next adventure/review video!
Cheers
Great to hear you enjoy the videos. Hopefully in a couple of weeks we'll be on the next journey.
Good review Joe
Tractoring seems a good word for them they just keep on keeping on everywhere you go with no fuss
Thanks
Dave
Thanks Dave, exactly, they get the job done with no fuss.
Best review on the scram I’ve seen
Thanks Claude, I hope my experience on the bike help people work out if the bike is right for them.
Love your presentation style, great job, great info and easy to comprehend 👍🏻
I hope you got something from it and helps you narrow down to what ever the right bikes is for you.
Joe great review thanks for your honesty and great scenery, Dave
Thanks Dave, hopefully it help people work out if the bike is right for them.
Thanks Joe, for the review and for another fantastic series. Can't wait for the next one!
I recently sold my 411 Himi and bought the CFMoto 450MT. I ride similar terrain to yourself (just day rides), and find that on the 450MT I'm actually using more of the capability of the bike - whereas I was happy pottering along on the Himi, I ride the 450MT harder. That means I'm not taking in the scenery as much, as I'm going a lot faster and needing to concentrate more on my riding and the terrain. Maybe I should just learn to slow down and look around!
While I miss the Himi's pottering about capabilities, the one thing that the 450MT does so much better is the highway. Given that I'm at least an hour from any tracks, the added speed and lack of vibration is a real bonus for me.
You're welcome Malcom. it's great to hear you enjoyed the series, hopefully we'll be on the next one is a couple weeks.
Different bikes give you a different experience and it's great to mix things up, sounds like you're found the right bike for your, hopefully I'll get to try a 450 soon and see the difference.
Man, RE are simply amazing for the price. Nothing compares
Yes John, the price point is great and it's reliable in my experience, for a bike that can get you to a lot of places and have a lot of fun on.
A very comprehensive review ,our local dealer here in Tamworth ,was selling out the scram for $7600 ride away ,outstanding value in my books.
I did notice the difference between the scram and the new 452cc ,is the way it holds its weight ,the new himy is definitely more top heavy .
Thanks mate, I hope it helped. Yes for the price they are great value for what you get. I have not tried the new 450 but hopefully I'll be able to get on one soon, it would be interesting to feel the difference between the two.
That is a review everyone needs. No technical Jargon, just ride review. Good one Joe. I hope you get to enjoy the new horses on the stable 452 and guerilla ..
Thanks mate, I hope my experience on the bike will help people work out if the bike is right for them. It would be great to try out the other bikes on the new platform like the 450 one day.
Excellent review of RE Scram 411, thanks. Your New Zealand miniseries is amazing, keep up the good work! It is a tough choice to choose between Scram 411 and Himalayan 411 because I like both bikes.
you are welcome Petr, I hope it helped. It's great to hear you enjoyed the New Zealand series.
Great practical and honest review Joe 👏👏👏
Thanks Hein, I hope it was helpful.
As usual very informative and well produced. Just a bit of trivia - following on from your gear review, I bought the same boots as you use and they are excellent. Thank you for all your efforts.
I am glad it helped. Yes those boot as super comfortable.
9,000 km on my Scram, and I second everything you've said, and the only things I'd add are getting the protector for the rear brake's hydraulics (too easy to hit with the back of your right boot), and exchange the stock headlamp for an LED (and maybe auxiliary lights if desired).
Thanks for the addition information, yes in the series I had to make a running adjustment as my right boot kept pulling up the rubber seal.
A true jack of all trades, master of none.
with the variety of terrain I seem to end up on, jack of all trades definitely is the go.
@@freewayproject same here, hence why I bought one 😁
Lets all not forget the full phrase is "Jack of all trades, master of none, often better than master of one"
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Great review - I'm in the market for an adventure/travel bike to be based in the South Island of NZ; your comments have been very helpful and thought provoking. Thanks for posting... Cheers!
Thanks mate, I hope it gives you a bit more information to see if this bike may or may not be right for you. I hope you find the right one that allows you to explore the way you want to.
Great review, royal enfield is growing on me, it seems very reliable and practical for everyday riding, not focuaing on all the uselless technology and power like other motorbike companies
I think you have hit the nail on the head with that comment Bob, unless you have ridden for 30 year off road , probably raced and ride several times a week off road in technical challenging conditions, you are probably not going to have the skill set require to push a bike with all the bells and whistles. Were as, at a rough guess 90% of riders wouldn't be able to push a bike like this to it limits, so as you say all that extra stuff would be useless.
Thanks so much Joe, new zealand was epic! Looking forward to the next series :) from a scram rider
You are welcome Michael, it's great to hear you enjoyed the series. Hopefully it will only be a couple of weeks before we're on the next journey.
Good review fella. Really enjoyed the nz series and can’t wait for your next adventure.
Thanks mate, I hope it helps people work out if the bike is right for them. It's great to hear you enjoyed the New Zealand series. We should be on the next journey in a couple weeks time.
Great review thank you! You have "terrible rocky roads" down there! I would not go there even with my beloved Himalayan (but I'm over 60 😉). These machines are the best you can get for your money and Royal Enfield single engines are charming and willing machine we love!
Thanks mate, I hope it helps people work out if the bike is the right one for them. Yes there's not a lot around at that price that are reliable and can get you to places to less traveled places explore, but still fun on the road.
Great channel. Have you done a comparison between the old and new Himalayan? Cheers,
Thanks mate, at the end of the current series where I am riding the Himalayan 450 in the Himalayas I'll do a review on the bike and will make some comparison to the 411 Himalaya, the should be on the channel in 3 - 4 weeks. Thanks for watching.
Love your content, your are fantastic at cinematography, hopefully see you on a new Himalayan
It's great to hear you are enjoying the content Andrew, I'd really like to try the new Himalayan, hopefully soon.
Thanks for sharing your insights with us Joe, especially the subtle differences between the Scram and Himalayan. The Scram sounds like the perfect bike for an aging, wannabe moto traveller like me. 👍🏽
You are welcome Bruce, I hope it helped. Yes if you can work out what you want out of a bike first it makes the decision much easier.
Hi Joe, thanks for sharing this information. You’ve shown both models to be extremely capable in a variety of conditions. I’m thinking of buying a Himalayan 411 just to see what it’s like. I have to admit I find the bike’s capabilities a big intriguing. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to your next adventure 👍🇦🇺
You are welcome mate, I hope it helped. Hopefully we'll be on the next journey in a couple of weeks.
Wow. You really put that bike through its paces. 👍
Great video 🙏
Thanks David, yes I was surprised how well the Scram handled the condition I road it though, I had no issues at all.
I had a BMW GS and bought an INT 650 and eventually sold the GS.
I have a Scram 411, an Interceptor 650 and a Zero S Model for around town.
The Scram is my favorite bike to ride…
They are a great versatile bike and a lot of fun to ride.
Thanks Joe for the Scram review. Great comparo to the Himi.
I hope it was informative.
Just 2k kms done on this beautiful machine ❤ lovely revvs 😊
They are a fun bike. I hope you're out there exploring.
Cheers Joe,great information.
The price is actually very reasonable considering what you get.
I just might consider getting one 🤞
you're welcome Geoff, that's it the price point is great and it's reliable in my experience, for a bike that can get you to a lot of places and have a lot of fun on.
Thanks Joe, you answered the question I asked you a while ago, I think I am OKAY with Himalayan, I am not doing much dirt at the moment, due to the group I ride with, being too far away for me, to leave too early in the morning on Sunday in High winter here In the New England( too cold), so am not riding bush at the moment, also I don't ride alone out in the bush anymore, learned that lesson a while ago. That will come when it warms up, plus a lot of bush camping with them, so means a lot of dirt. the himi suits that style of riding I WILL be doing.
I am glad it help clear things up for you. I hope its not too long before it warms up so you can get back out there on the Dirt.
Awesome review Joe, hey in your next adventures are you keeping with the RE HIMI or the Scram, doesnt matter really, we love your adventures, would love to ride with you one day im in Brisbane, cheers mate...
Thanks Glen I hope it was informative. Well if I can persuade Royal Enfield to lend me a bike, I'll take what ever they give me, should know in a couple weeks when we start the next journey.
Solid review Joe. I love my Himalayan but hey, might test ride a Scram.
I hope it was informative.
Ive completed 11000km on my scram. Love it. Ive fallen off a few times. In muddy 4wd ruts, thru consecutive pot holes and in sand. And my offroad skills are average. I wonder if i can put a Himalayan 21 inch wheel on my scram???
The other beauty of this bike is learning the basic mechanical skills to service it... well done on your travels.
It sounds like you have found the idea bike for the type or riding you do which is always awesome to hear. A 21 inch wheel won't swap out without a lot of other adjustment, also it can change the angle of the bike. The 19inch tyre is a little wider too which helps with stability off road, the height of the 21 inch only helps when going over the top of taller obstacles. I think stick with what you've got for now and spend more time off road and it will build up the skills.
Have fun out there.
Joe Thanx mate for your honest opinion on both of the bikes. I think when I can afford it... It will be the himalayan . Cheers again mate. 👍🍻
You welcome mate, I hope it was informative.
It was mate cheers 👍
Such a versatile and reliable bike. The color ways are amazing, looks the part, and is a PROPER scrambler (because it has an ADV history), unlike these newer wannabe "scramblers" that just don't cut it on dirt.
It is definitely versatile Deependu, I mean you can see in the New Zealand series what I rode it through with no issue and from what I understand that would definitely fall into the realm of Scrambler territory. It does have a cool look to it also.
Honest review
❤❤ From INDIA
I hope it helps people who are thinking about the bike weather it is right for them.
Thanks for doing the Review Joe, much appreciated 👏 great comparison. I take it you'll stick with your Himmy ?! 👍 scram looked very capable on your trip but did wonder how much of a compromise it was but good to know not a huge amount
Yes there isn't too much difference, I guess if I was riding in a place where I might be going through a lot of towns and cities then out into more remote areas in between then the scram would be great to ride again, if mainly off road then the Himi.
Thanks Joe...really enjoyed your review. You're right about the price...amazing. I could probably pick a RE up? Compared to the mega adventure bikes. I'm hoping they bring out a 650 twin Himalayan 🤔
Take care
I hope it help people work out if the bike is for them. Yes the price for what you get is great and yes no issue picking it up off the ground when I have dropped it, traveling alone that is a nonnegotiable.
Great review. Really enjoyed it. Im thinking about getting a small capacity adventure type bike. The realitiy is ill be doing occasional commuting and very occasional off road and hopefully green laning. Ive been thinking about ordering a CFmoto 450MT but I wouldnt get that until next year now in the uk. I could pick up a 2nd hand scram for about £3000. Would this be a good compramise, or should I wait for the 450MT?
Thanks mate. I would say your idea of getting a second hand one now which means you'll have another year riding off road and green lanes would be much better than waiting for a year. Also you can sell it in a year if you want to get the 450MT, the bike already being second hand wouldn't loose much in value so I can't see the down side, hopefully that helps.
Salute to you and the scarms 411. Cheers mate 🤙
Thanks mate, I hope it was helpful.
Great review! Another difference if I may...... There's no front rack to hang jerry cans, or bags on. The two 7 Liter bags I have hanging off my framework have been a life saver! It's a pity the new 452 variant, the Gorilla, seems to be more street focused, and has a smaller tank. 🙄
Thanks Terry, I hope it helps people work out if the bike is the right one for them. I have not seen the Gorilla one but the 450 Himi has a 17L tanks a couple more than the 411, not sure what difference the more power fuel engine will make on fuel consumption though.
hey mate, nice video! What are the side panniers that you have used on the bike?
Thanks mate, I hope it helps. The side panniers were the cheapest I could find, they are the Rhinowalk 48L I have used them in Australia, New Zealand and in the Himalayas in the current series and they are getting the job done, no issues.
@@freewayproject How did you end up mounting them securely? I just got mine and I am afraid that they will fall under the seat and into the tyre as there's nothing blocking them and the weight pulls it inside that gap below the seat. Did you strap them together in some way? Thanks!
@@StoofP Move them way forward so they are resting onto the pillion seat foot pegs. For any bike to ride better you want all the weight as close to the centre as possible. I think people see hard panniers and think soft go in the same spot (it another good thing about soft panniers you can get them lower and closer to the centre of mass).Take the strap that comes off the front bottom take it forwards then around the tubbing for the pillion foot peg to the inside and the back up to the bar at the back that comes out near the pillion seat. Where the buckle is there is a bit of leather material make sure that goes under the buckle so it doesn't scratch off the paint. The buckle will sit right on that bar when tighten.
Normal ridding that is enough but if you want it more secure for going hard off road I used the other strap to go across under the seat to the other side, it had never gotten near the will so don't worry about that .
@@freewayproject mate, thanks a lot for the detailed instructions 🤘
id have one mate it took your adventure didn’t let ya down costs bugger all looks kinda cool its a good thing
You're exactly right mate, a bike that can take you on an adventure with no issues, just getting the job done is exactly what you want.
Very cool Video Joe!!!
Thanks Mark, I hope it was informative
Nice video! That's exactly why I bought scram 411 - exploring. Just finished the 500k break in period so now the fun begins. [; Did you raise the front mudguard? How did you manage to have tripper always black background? What cam and where do you mount your cam? Cheers form GranCan.
Thanks mate, I hope it helps people if they are trying to work out if the bike is right for them.
I did not change anything on the bike as I had to give it back at the end of the trip.
If you are referring to the blurred background that is from the type of lenses I used on my main camera, they have the ability to create a shallow depth of field so the lenses is focused on the subject I want to be in focus and direct the viewers attention too.
I use a DJI Osmo Action when riding which is mounted to the chin of my helmet and a Sony A7SIII for the rest of the footage.
Really enjoyed watching your NZ adventure.
What fuel octane do you use?
I’m only getting about 200kms to the tank on my 2018 model Himalayan. Just ordered the extra tanks, nearly run out of fuel on a track at agnus waters cq.
It's great to hear you enjoyed watching the New Zealand series.
200km is a lot different to what I get on my 2021 Himalayan in Australia. I have gotten 420km out of a tank which still had about a litre left in it (so should get 450km) but that is not riding aggressively just cruising. I used just the normal unleaded so I gather that is 91 in Australia.
@@freewayproject yeah ok thanks for that I’ll try 91. I’ve been running 95 or 98 cause it’s what I’ve run in all my previous bikes.
Looking forward to your next adventure
Great review,
Much more honest review than Ryan F9 gave the little Scram.
Did you change the gearing at all?
I put a smaller rear sprocket on my Scram and it is much more smooth at 65mph…doesn’t feel like the piston wants to fly out of the top of the engine.
I did some light scrambling last week on dirt roads and double track and noticed no let down with the new gearing but if/when I take it to Colorado, I will put the original sprocket back on just because mountain fire roads can be steep.
As the bike was not mine and I was only using it for the New Zealand Journey I didn't change anything.
I think what would extend the Scrams ability off road would different tyres with a more aggressive treat, that will extend it ability way beyond what I pushed the bike too.
Freddie: What would you buy: Royal Enfield Scram 411 or Triumph Scrambler 400x ?
I have not ridden the Triumph Scrambler 400x so I couldn't compare the two.
Thanks joe. Would be interested in knowing what tyres were on the scram. They looked like the original CEATs
How did they perform and again what tyres do you run on your Himalayan? I enjoyed your series. Cheers
You're welcome Dazza, yes the stock CEAT where on the bike, but I was getting low on the back near the end so put on a Pirelli scorpion 120/90 R17 which had a little more bit. On my Himalayan I have the Dunlop 605D's great off road but the back doesn't last long on road so I have a heidenau K60 Scout which gets at least 3 times the milage (still on there) and has decent grip off road about the best compromise I have found between durability and grip off road
heidenautyres.com.au/tyre/k60/
@freewayproject thanks so much. I'm keen to change the CEATs on the himalayan cos I just can't jet grip on the loose stuff and particularly the greasy track. Sounds like a good 50/50 option. A lot of the riding is on tar so the better ware would work out fine. Thanks again Joe.
Hi Joe, it’s been a pleasure following your New Zealand series. Have you tried the new Himalayan or are you planning to do so? I would like to know your thoughts on the new model, as I want to explore NSW with it.
It's great to hear you enjoyed the New Zealand series. I have not tried the new Himalayan but hopefully I'll get a chance to try it soon.
I call the Scram 411 a Walking Dune in positive way. Its a solid trustfull Bike
Riding solo most of the time solid and trustful are 2 words I really like about a bike.
Just to report my fuel economy findings on the Himalayan 411 after 12K+, the sweet spot for fuel economy seems to be an average speed of 43-44kph where I can get over 34kpl. This is the average speed on the trip meter when I refuel, and the actual speeds include slowly exploring dirt tracks and some fast highways. The worst result was 20kpl when travelling non-stop at highway speeds only (trip average was 80kph). I would expect similar or better results on the Scram, but my advice is to check your trip average speed when refuelling to see how you're going if fuel economy is important (eg. money/distance). NZ fuel prices can be a shock.
Thanks for the information, I was getting about 450km on a tank of fuel so that fits into that range.
Great video; thank you!!
I hope it helps.
What do you think of the 450? If you haven’t tried it, do a review on it. I’d be interested to know your thoughts.
I have not ridden the Himalayan 450, if I get a chance too, I will do a review on my experience on the bike after riding it for a while.
Brought one yesterday 😊
thats awesome, I hope you have fun out there exploring
tough chioce when it comes to picking a bike, the scram done the job for u though.
personally I would pay a little more and get the himalayan 450, i think the extra HP would be worth it. End of the day its what ever bike enables u to get out there and do it.
Good series, well done
Yes I was pleasantly surprised it handled everything I throw at it. As mentioned in the series, Royal Enfield lent me the bike, as it was the only one they had free and the Himalayan 450 had not arrived in New Zealand when I rode there earlier this year. I would really like to ride the 450 to see the difference, hopefully I'll get a chance in the future.
hey ya, I didnt know they lent it to you. (I started watching midway through the series).
Good on royal enfield for doing that. I'd say they would lend you a 450 when they available.......hint hint RE hahah.
north island of NZ is just waiting 4 ya.
Which best bike Scram 411 or Gurela-450 among this two bike
HI Martin, I have not ridden the Gurela-450 actually i have not even see one, so I do not know how the bike rides, if I do get a chance to ride one I do a review on it then.
Did the shop which lend you the bike use any of your videos for promotions.
It wasn't a shop who let me the bike but Royal Enfield Australia/New Zealand, we got the bike out of there storage facility that is why I wasn't at a shop in the first episode when I picked the bike up.
@@freewayprojectthey know ,promotional value when they see it.
If you dont mind me asking. How tall are you? The seating position ect looked like it suited you well...at your unknown height.
The price point seems unbeatable in the Aus market, but I dont want to make the trek to somewhere that stocks RH if I am not going to come close to fitting on it.
Im on the taller side at 6ft3...
I am 5'9 I think the bike would be a great fit between say 5'7 - 6'0. I am not sure what it would be like for someone taller, sorry I don't know anyone taller who has ridden one to give you accurate information.
No worries, I'll check out the scram and Himalaya next time I happen to be near a dealer.
Love your videos, watched them all while recovering from surgeries over the past few months. Been back on the bike a few times as a result, but I find myself looking down the dirt tracks but my current bike is far to shiny to risk dropping!
Wish I never sold my old DR650
The Scram's stock seat height is 798mm from memory, which taller riders might find cramps them a little.
Joe, which tyres do you run on your himalayan in Australia?
I really like the Dunlop 605D as they are great off road but the back tyre does not last that long on road, so I have compromised a bit and got the heidenau K60 Scout.
heidenautyres.com.au/tyre/k60/
@freewayproject thanks for the info and the link. Appreciate it
Also i have a guess about the Scram 411(which i also own) its heading towards rare territory being it was introduced close to the 450.
As i understand new scram 411 are not brought in anymore besides in India, and even among REs Scram 411 are the smallest number.
I had not heard that. I have no idea what RE will be doing next, it will be interesting to see.
Royal Enfield isn't a thing in Canada. You would have live in a very big city to find a dealership. Love your travels around New Zealand and Australia. Simple is what I like which is why I ride a v-strom 650. 😅
It's great to hear you are enjoying the New Zealand series, the next series should only be a couple weeks away. Your V-strom would definitely get the job done there, I have been lucky enough to explore some of the west coast of Canada, it is so incredible beautiful, hopefully I'll get back soon to explore more.
There is a shop in Edmonton that carries the RE line.
I just want to know how many takes it took to get the backbag/backpack right😂😂
The backpack I have had for years and used in the mountains shooting skiing/snowboarding also in the mountains on during summer and a lot of surf explorations. When I sat on the Himalayan the first time it just worked. The back bag I needed something that was long enough for tent poles, so the 40L was the only option I could find. Strapping it down and keeping it from moving about was the only issue as the attachment points to the bike were so close (small back section).
@@freewayproject Sorry mate, I meant it was a tongue twister saying backbag/backpack from the 7.00 mark. I thought it might have taken a couples of goes to get it right😂😂. Cheers.
👍 from Greece 🇬🇷
I hope to helps people work out if it is the right motorcycle for them. Greece would be a fun place to explore on a motorcycle.
i owned a scram411 perfect for all kinds of road condition but not a speedy bike built for all terrain condition
Yes I am more into exploring rather than trying to get somewhere as quickly as possible so it was great for the New Zealand trip I did.
What tyres were on the bike?
The stock CEAT tyres.
Have you ridden the 450 Himalayan yet?
Not yet, but hopefully I might be able to get my hands on one soon. It would be good to see the difference between the 411 Himalayan and the 450.
I have a 450 Himi but never owned the 411 version.
@@KiwiGravelRoadieRickhow is the experience?
@@percentbigfoot I’ve come from riding a Triumph 800 xc so it’s quite a change. But I do like it. That little bit lighter and lower for my average legs. Haven’t done anything too serious off road yet as it’s winter here but am looking forward to getting out when it warms up. I have been commuting on it so I’m quite familiar with how it feels and runs.
@@KiwiGravelRoadieRick oh that's nice 👍🏼
A nice bike
Yes it was great for that kind of riding.
Now....on to the new 450.....🤫🤫🤫 Garth
I would love to try one and see what the difference is.
Gooday Joe, this may seem like a rude question, however, as your opinion may well influence people, I think it needs to be asked.
Do you receive any form of payment, to promote Royal Enfield motorcycles?
Hey Gregory, no I have not received any form of payment. They offered to lend me the bike and that was it, they said have fun, they didn't ask me to do anything, the boss of Royal Enfield Australia said just keep doing want you are doing don't change a thing.
@@freewayproject Thanks.