Think abt eating your favourite food,the mind will create an image of how it would feel while having it.This projection is based on your last experience or some knowledge in the brain.While having the food next time while enjoying the food observe carefully without any motive how the experience is and you will know that the experience is not quiet 100% like the mind projected bt its different may be good or bad bt ots not quite as mind projected.This simple experiment shows how limited our thought is, which all the time projects image based on past experience or knowledge.If u can see this without any motive this is very clear thought is limited.However we try so hard to become enlightened or reach some superconscious state we forget to see simple things happening inside our mind.
This is fun. Pupul Jayakar is one o fhis long time students. She talks just like hm and is very familiar with his lecturers. She is talking K speak to K. It is like talking to yourself. That is why he has to be careful. She is saying things that he has said himself at one point. She is doggedly tough. She is also very intelligent. I keep waiting for K to lose it. She knows K's talks better than he does. At times it seems that she is trying to compete with him in a game that he invented.
just BRILLIANT ✨✨✨ and what Krishnamurti dices into from min 43 on is a firework of liberation into no-thing, no-thinking Nothing "contains the whole universe", Krishnamurti then states. Supreme intelligence BRILLIANT ✨✨✨🙏🏽
Many thanks love JK once you understand the simplicity whole thing its very simple & liberating but seems almost impossible when trying to understand it through intellect as Pupul demonstrates to us
Cet homme est exceptionnel unique je ne me lasse pas de l'écouter et ça m'a équilibré psychologiquement en apprenant une autre façon de voir la vérité des faits.
K captures my heart with his ruthless adherence to factual reality and things which can be proven through actual personal experience and rejection of all speculation, belief or traditional dogmas. Just an absolutely fascinating man to listen to speaking. Had he more worldly ambition he may have, "pioneered" a new sort of category.
one needs to be sensitive enough to listen to the soundless sound of nothingness .i assure u SIR one day mankind will know their folly and apply this wisdom in their daily life, THANKS FOR SHOWING ME THE WAY.
Lo escucho desde hace años me parece una persona muy sabia.tengo que reconocer que me ayudo mucho ,pero es tan difícil no tener problemas en esta socidad .de todas maneras te doy las gracias.
I think Pupul's questions were on point, she was simply trying to understand an aspect of JK's teaching that he couldn't articulate. I felt for her when he lashed out because of his inability to articulate his meaning. She withdrew after that and her tone from there was heartbreaking. This is my interpretation of an answer I feel she was seeking: We observe and measure greater consciousness through a limited lens-much like how our eyes can only see a small part of the colour spectrum. Just as we cannot perceive ultraviolet light without special tools, our brains or whatever mechanisms we use to observe and measure thought or consciousness are restricted by our past and present experiences, both individually and collectively. This conditioning limits our ability to fully grasp the vastness of greater consciousness. The portion of greater consciousness that is observable to us is insignificantly small compared to the entire scope of it. The “End” refers to achieving the ability to perceive, observe, and measure the entirety of this greater consciousness, which can be considered enlightenment
Everything is from nothing and nothing is everything. . 🙌🏼 to exist without the inner dialogue of “me” which is time and thoughts 💭 the movement of becoming ego. Freedom of nothingness is sound sacredness of divineness of in movement of life . Nothing is everything into simple existence Thank you for posting K videos ❤️🙏🏼
what k is saying is insight is instant means seeing the whole without involving time and thought.....yes understood...THANKS K......and perhaps that is birth of new in ancient
Oh my god...even I am getting frustrated with her🙈🙈🙈. Something so simple she is complicating immensely. This is what happens to people who invest their whole lives in education and ego intelligence 🤷♀️🤷♀️. I always say 'no one could ever understand what is not within their experience' 🤦♀️🤦♀️
the very space of perception is different from the person who is experiencing the perception..then there is division.. then there is conflict...we r looking thru a a prism
soundless sound of nothingness that contains all . BEAUTIFUL thanks ..AII who REALLY LISTEN to u SIR achieve that state....but for how long is the question i must ask myself.THANKS FOR ALL THE EFFORT .
PLEASE ! - I still didn´t understand the most part, which is apparently so simple for other people. What exactly he meant ? He separates the brain and the mind. He assumes that all the misery, pain, problems are caused by time-thought. Thought is the product of the conditioned brain over millions of years. So, what is the mind ? Who produces the mind ? Where is the mind ? Is there any place on human level that is "eternal", as she asked in the beginning ? Would it be only in "mind" ? Can you explain ?
What I could understand from his talks is that the mind functions in the now and that now is eternal.Now cannot exists in future nor in past hence time is eliminated.Thought is a tool of understanding and in sincere observation the need for thought becomes obsolete and the observation itself acts as understanding.You don’t need thought to understand the taste of salt that is when your attention is undivided.
we r a prejudiced mind...that mind is making all the judgements based on the thousands of years of conditioning which is made by thought..and thought is deceiving...and she just doesn't get it
@31:05 the point of insight comes from the observation of the conditioning but this difficult because we are mostly afraid to be our authentic conditioned self. This is very difficult not only because it can be very painful but we already have ideals and ideas about what we should be. In reality who we think we are and what we actually are is totally different.
What if "God" doesn't know that it's "God?" And what if Pupul's right that it's all an illusion/dream? The ego *is* a very devious thing because it's sensation oriented and it will get you to do anything to keep itself alive.
This video right here can end the search of a seeker.
This is what our actual society needs to bring this beautifull earth in order, thank J.Ktrishnamurti centre for these videos,they are priceless.
Think abt eating your favourite food,the mind will create an image of how it would feel while having it.This projection is based on your last experience or some knowledge in the brain.While having the food next time while enjoying the food observe carefully without any motive how the experience is and you will know that the experience is not quiet 100% like the mind projected bt its different may be good or bad bt ots not quite as mind projected.This simple experiment shows how limited our thought is, which all the time projects image based on past experience or knowledge.If u can see this without any motive this is very clear thought is limited.However we try so hard to become enlightened or reach some superconscious state we forget to see simple things happening inside our mind.
This is fun. Pupul Jayakar is one o fhis long time students. She talks just like hm and is very familiar with his lecturers. She is talking K speak to K. It is like talking to yourself. That is why he has to be careful. She is saying things that he has said himself at one point. She is doggedly tough. She is also very intelligent. I keep waiting for K to lose it. She knows K's talks better than he does. At times it seems that she is trying to compete with him in a game that he invented.
I have been watching k's talks and discussions but this one with Pupul ji is gem!!
just BRILLIANT ✨✨✨
and what Krishnamurti dices into from min 43 on is a firework of liberation into
no-thing, no-thinking
Nothing
"contains the whole universe", Krishnamurti then states.
Supreme intelligence
BRILLIANT ✨✨✨🙏🏽
Many thanks love JK once you understand the simplicity whole thing its very simple & liberating but seems almost impossible when trying to understand it through intellect as Pupul demonstrates to us
Thank you this comes in my mind too. Beauty to see there are people think like one ;)
Cet homme est exceptionnel unique je ne me lasse pas de l'écouter et ça m'a équilibré psychologiquement en apprenant une autre façon de voir la vérité des faits.
We are a bundle of memories !!! what a revelation ! seems like a gun short in my head.
This is one of the bestest conversation of Krishnaji.
K captures my heart with his ruthless adherence to factual reality and things which can be proven through actual personal experience and rejection of all speculation, belief or traditional dogmas. Just an absolutely fascinating man to listen to speaking. Had he more worldly ambition he may have, "pioneered" a new sort of category.
Great comment!!
one needs to be sensitive enough to listen to the soundless sound of nothingness .i assure u SIR one day mankind will know their folly and apply this wisdom in their daily life, THANKS FOR SHOWING ME THE WAY.
Gratidão imensa.
Grande come sempre , un vero dialogo meditativo e profondo.
Thanks for this talk,it was so important
Lo escucho desde hace años me parece una persona muy sabia.tengo que reconocer que me ayudo mucho ,pero es tan difícil no tener problemas en esta socidad .de todas maneras te doy las gracias.
Gracias por subir este material 🙏
Fantastically Explained by Jiddu Krishnamurti
Terimakasih
I think Pupul's questions were on point, she was simply trying to understand an aspect of JK's teaching that he couldn't articulate. I felt for her when he lashed out because of his inability to articulate his meaning. She withdrew after that and her tone from there was heartbreaking.
This is my interpretation of an answer I feel she was seeking: We observe and measure greater consciousness through a limited lens-much like how our eyes can only see a small part of the colour spectrum. Just as we cannot perceive ultraviolet light without special tools, our brains or whatever mechanisms we use to observe and measure thought or consciousness are restricted by our past and present experiences, both individually and collectively. This conditioning limits our ability to fully grasp the vastness of greater consciousness. The portion of greater consciousness that is observable to us is insignificantly small compared to the entire scope of it. The “End” refers to achieving the ability to perceive, observe, and measure the entirety of this greater consciousness, which can be considered enlightenment
Absolutely enthralling thankyou!
Thankyou very much. Terima kasih.
Everything is from nothing and nothing is everything. . 🙌🏼 to exist without the inner dialogue of “me” which is time and thoughts 💭 the movement of becoming ego. Freedom of nothingness is sound sacredness of divineness of in movement of life . Nothing is everything into simple existence Thank you for posting K videos ❤️🙏🏼
Thank You Excellent Discussion.
J Krishnamurti the legend
what k is saying is insight is instant means seeing the whole without involving time and thought.....yes understood...THANKS K......and perhaps that is birth of new in ancient
thanks very much
Thought is limited. Thousands of years of conflict has not only made this instrument dull, it has reached the end of its tether.
My dirty brain is washed out by these enlightening words.
He is the greatest 😍
Listen to the universe without sound_ living moment by moment in whole, complete attention
Respect multumesc
SUPERB, ULTIMATIVE
the question of pupul is very beautiful and nice
Yes. What she asked was also my question was
It would be great if the volume could go higher
“Thinking” without thought is perception
Oh my god...even I am getting frustrated with her🙈🙈🙈. Something so simple she is complicating immensely. This is what happens to people who invest their whole lives in education and ego intelligence 🤷♀️🤷♀️.
I always say 'no one could ever understand what is not within their experience' 🤦♀️🤦♀️
That's what we all are. The lady is necessary for this kind of conversation to take place. She is honest with her queries, the queries of all of us
the more she question the more we get from K.
the very space of perception is different from the person who is experiencing the perception..then there is division.. then there is conflict...we r looking thru a a prism
She loved him, a lot.🙂.
34:45 to 35:25 is the ultimate truth.its so simple hence seems un imaginable to humanity.
It seem to be about love.
wow! "the now than is nothing" (Really resonate with that one ;) ) 39:43
I would even go further, it's a quite a shock when one realises that nothing is real but experience.
soundless sound of nothingness that contains all . BEAUTIFUL thanks ..AII who REALLY LISTEN to u SIR achieve that state....but for how long is the question i must ask myself.THANKS FOR ALL THE EFFORT .
PLEASE ! - I still didn´t understand the most part, which is apparently so simple for other people. What exactly he meant ? He separates the brain and the mind. He assumes that all the misery, pain, problems are caused by time-thought. Thought is the product of the conditioned brain over millions of years. So, what is the mind ? Who produces the mind ? Where is the mind ? Is there any place on human level that is "eternal", as she asked in the beginning ? Would it be only in "mind" ? Can you explain ?
What I could understand from his talks is that the mind functions in the now and that now is eternal.Now cannot exists in future nor in past hence time is eliminated.Thought is a tool of understanding and in sincere observation the need for thought becomes obsolete and the observation itself acts as understanding.You don’t need thought to understand the taste of salt that is when your attention is undivided.
Suggest searching for some of what David Bohm had to say and talks with JK. The interaction of the two is helpful for building a bridge.
brain is a device,mind is software, memory is programmed hardware
"SOUND IS THE TREE"
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45:59 ( I'm verbal illusion)
53:15 ( Indian tradition)
🌻💙💥🙏
I Love JK, guys listen from 1:02:01 onwards You will start hearing extraordinary
What Krishnamurtij said is simple, the world is created by our thoughts, thoughts is not truth, so it’s always got divisions and conflicts
we r a prejudiced mind...that mind is making all the judgements based on the thousands of years of conditioning which is made by thought..and thought is deceiving...and she just doesn't get it
Pupul is making a simple thing terribly complex.
25june 1983
@31:05 the point of insight comes from the observation of the conditioning but this difficult because we are mostly afraid to be our authentic conditioned self. This is very difficult not only because it can be very painful but we already have ideals and ideas about what we should be. In reality who we think we are and what we actually are is totally different.
More you want to understand, less you see
38:00
1:04:00
8:04
What if "God" doesn't know that it's "God?" And what if Pupul's right that it's all an illusion/dream? The ego *is* a very devious thing because it's sensation oriented and it will get you to do anything to keep itself alive.
54:25
57:02
We're all Pupul. Let's stop pretending we really understand a single thing. If we did, most likely we wouldn't be here commenting ;)
I'm that. Clueless and can't comprehend a thing this man said...
100% agree.we are same like pupulji.we dont understand simple thing.we make it very complex.our brain does it all the time.then we seek answer.
😂😂exactly
Pupul doesn’t understand, just make what Krishnamurti say as concepts
Funny how she repeats things she has heard from J K without a trace of real understanding. Sad to see this intellectual blindness