Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Picard 3.9 - Võx
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Hearing Majel Barrett again legit made me cry a little bit. That whole scene on the bridge of Enterprise-D was probably one of my favorite in the entire franchise. It was like seeing an old childhood friend for the first time in over 20 years.
I hadn't realized how much I'd missed that ship and that crew and dear gods how much I missed Majel's computer. I literally cried for over an hour. This is what it must have been like for firt gen trekkers seeing the 1701-A for the first time.
Hearing her voice literally gave me goosebumps
It was so amazing to see the crew back where they belonged again. My wife and I met as a direct result of TNG's influence on our lives, so quite literally, without it we would not be here - 24 years (20 married) and 2 kids later. Emotional was not the word! Just fantastic this season and I'm so sad we only have 1 more to go. Not bad mouthing seasons 1 and 2 - but man, I could have done with three seasons of THIS!
I assume the clip of Majel Barret is from the THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS episode at the end when Jellico gives Picard his ship back. But I did not actually go back and check.
Could also be from All Good Things when we see Picard first take command of the Enterprise but I don't think we see him use the computer to do it.
BEST COMMENT!!!! I said the same thing….
Picard sitting in HIS Captains chair and giving his patented Picard shirt tug as he sat down before hitting the classic "Engage" was the icing on an absolutely amazing cake this week! I'll be watching this episode a few more times to be certain!
That’s Jellico’s chair
The Picard Maneuver! 😂
@@regtiangha The TRUE Picard Maneuver.
I didn’t even notice the tug!
"I'll happily take the field demotion."
I had the same reaction as you when Borg were revealed, again. Also glad to see McCoy has finally been vindicated about those damn transporters scrambling our molecules and doing who knows what to them.
I was too busy being "oh Fuuuuuuu......" to be "these guys again"
Ironic that the USS Pulaski was part of the fleet, considering she had the same hang up!
Dr. Pulaski (sp?) was not a big fan of transporters as well.
@@ryanc5517 i have a feeling it was Pulowski, but i'm exhausted so don't take me word for it xd
Picard season 3 is nothing less than a remarkable gift to TNG fans who have been waiting SO long for this.
It’s the best season of the ENTIRE TNG series
And I think that's a very serious problem, I in my case did not grow up with the series and I feel it with lack of identity, this is not stsr trek pircard if not tng season 8
My Dad had the biggest influence on my life. He passed away 7.5 years ago. Huge Trekkie. Got me into Next Gen when I was a kid. So seeing the D at the end made me all kinds of watery and emotional 🥹 Just brought back a flood of memories and made me think of how much my Dad would have loved this season. Just a truly amazing episode 🖖
May he R.I.P.
I reckon a lot of us were thinking of our parents as the D came out. TNG was a family show. You weren’t teary alone…
Hit me the same Matthew. My dad got me into Star Trek with the Kirk films, but TNG was our weekend "Bonding" ritual. We'd watch the episodes every week and went from TNG to DS9 to Voyager and then Enterprise together (with the films in between). He passed almost twenty years ago but I know if he'd been watching Picard with me right now he'd have had the biggest damned smile on seeing the D again.
Renting the TNG, DS9 and Voyager VHS as they came out and watching them with my dad is a massive slab of my childhood. I love this show and im glad you are enjoying this series.
Your dad is a great man and proud star trek fan let him rest in peace in the heavens..
Yes, this Ups & Downs was a little late, but after watching Episode 9, I figured Sean and the rest of the staff at TrekCulture were on oxygen and needed to be shocked back to consciousness because, man, this was one heck of a ride this week.
I figured that as well.
I was so shocked I had to immediately review the last half hour just to be sure I hadn't just *imagined* seeing all that transpire ... and I *still* can't believe it!!!
Even *The Ready Room* was released a day later. Maybe they wanted to wait until the episode was aired world wide before doing an official spoiler interview.
They caught holy hell when they had Tim Russ on the thumbnail before the other markets could see the actual episode.
Yeah I watched this episode 3 times b4 Sean and Wesley popped up in my feed...glad it took them some time...needed 2 gather myself 4 what I knew may be 2 of the greatest breakdowns in trek history...wow...
Data's "I hope we die quickly". was a bit of Lore's sense of humour bleeding through. It was pure gold.
🤣🤣🤣
This Episode had me crying. My parents introduced me to Star Trek, Both loved the original but me and my father had a strong bond over TNG. Mother liked it but it was me and my dad that watched it a lot as I grew up. When my father passed away me and my mother often talked about Star Trek reminiscing about my late father. We watched all the movies and my mother took me to every Star Trek movie after my father passed away. In 2022 on Feb 3rd my mother passed away having myself being the last fan of Star Trek left in my family. This episode brought back so many good memories of me and my parents and I know deep in my heart they would have loved it as much as I did. Thank you so much mom and dad for introducing me to my favorite series and I hope you two are exploring that final frontier together. When my time also comes I hope I can join you and we can explore the galaxy together. I love you and miss you both every day.
And that is one of the strengths of classic television.
May they rest in peace, and may you live long and prosper.
The second the Ent-D showed up through the end of the episode, I was crying! It was so emotional, so lovely, so nostalgic. Did anyone else love how forceful and vibrant that "Engage" was from Picard? I'm tearing up writing this, just thinking about it! Such a good episode!
When Picard sat down in the chair, he even did a little "Picard Maneuver," tugging on his shirt when he sat down. I don't know if that was scripted, or if it was done purely habitually.
Sooo well done!
@@genericasian Yes! This!
While I absolutely love the enterprise D reveal I really wish LaForge had fitted a third nacelle to it. Or a third nacelle needs to get fitted to it in the next episode.
It's a great episode across all iterations. An emotional, wonderful high.
@@awestwood3955 Maybe 7of 9 comes to the rescue in the Voyager I kinda hoping that that ship has the special hull plating from her last season and maybe can be fitted on the Enterprise-D and who knows we might see Wesley Crusher again helping a hand.
I’m 54 and a die hard TOS fan and was praying they were going into a constitution class ship but boy even I had goosebumps when the Enterprise D was revealed. What an episode, what a show.
I was wondering what ship they were going to use when they said “analog”
I was hoping for the New Jersey, or 1701-A, too. Ah well, the D will have to do
51 and hanging right there with ya!
Enterprise D was definitely a good choice. If they had used a Constitution class, they'd have to choose between the original or modern design, and both choices would have their issues. Either it wouldn't be what Picard would recognize as Constitution class or it would look out of place with the new shows.
43 and man...I think I stopped breathing for a second....
The mention of the USS *Pulaski* is also an interesting nod to the transporter infection.
Remember, Pulaski did not trust the transporters, and avoided them as much as she could, using shuttles instead.
They might've saved her in the end in that episode, but she clearly had the right idea after all. ;)
(Also, didn't McCoy not fully trust them either?)
bones (Dr McCOY ) never fully trust the transporters too
"Is there some reason you want my atoms scattered all over space, boy??!"
@@schubi42 no because they believe in science in Star Trek, not lunatics babbling on about freedom whilst happily infecting others
You missed one: Seven calling Data a robot before Shaw dies. This was hilarious!
the look on Data's face!
One could argue that the decision to automate the entire fleet and also gather them all in the same space was the idea of the Changeling infiltrators. Geordi himself says he has tried to stop it.
That's what I thought as well.
100%!
This! Right here...
It seems to be a running trend in Starfleet during this time period, which actually I think speaks volumes about starfleet and it's humanity and the world today. Humans always think they know better or can fix the error that led to a bad result. The battle in prodigy could of sparked an idea like " of all the ships talk we might be more effective explorers and if necessary a battle group" we can make sure the negatives won't happen.
Or look at it another way, in s2 use of Borg tech allowed for easy take over of the fleet. Use of that tech could be influenced by voyages time in the delta quadrant. The tech in isolation of 1 ship worked great but was a risk in the fleet. It's very human to do something with out thinking if we should.
Oh, 100%.
This, the transporter modifications and gathering the fleet were all huge parts of the Borg's plans - the Changeling infiltrators will have replaced/killed anyone who stood in the way of all these things happening.
I went from devastated over Shaw to elated over the Enterprise D in about 4 minutes. The Picard maneuver as he sits in the chair was such a cool detail. I've watched this episode now 5 times since midnight yesterday.
And right before Shaw was Data's "I hope we all die quickly!" I was still laughing when I realized what was about to happen.
Yeh that was such a strange transition… Shaw’s death was a bit of a gut punch but the pure joy of the last couple of minutes was much needed after that, especially as his last words were to finally call Seven by her name.
Shaw's death ruined what would have otherwise been pure joy at seeing the Ent-D again. Took away all the enthusiasm I had for a spinoff.
@@ratzerman I really didn't like Shaw at first, but to be here in episode 9 and be disappointed by his death is a testament to the writers and the actor. I guess Star Trek: Legacy is going to be Captain Seven on the Titan.
17:40 Hey Sean, I think what you are missing is that the changelings infiltrated the upper echelons of Starfleet and in those positions of power, they would be able to silence or cover up any objections to the fleet gathering and software upgrade concerns of other senior officers. Ro Laren mentioned that she was blocked and Geordi mentioned he was stymied when he voiced his concerns. Starfleet wasn't being stupid, they were being controlled.
Compared to a few other franchises in recent years, this season of Picard has really shown how to properly do fan service without being a detriment to the story or feeling cheap. Every single tug of the heartstrings was utterly earned and you're damned right I was tearing up right there with you for the last 10 minutes or so.
yeah,... except... you know... the first two seasons, with Data and Riker, where their appearances were meant to give sense to a story that literally made no sense, or had no business existing?
I'd argue the opposite. This season is pure fan service, with a story that has felt pretty weak and has not earned much.
@@bcn1gh7h4wk I couldn't make it through the first two seasons, I basically read some wikis to catch up. From episode 1 of this season I've been invested. Between this and Strange New Worlds, it seems like Star Trek has gotten its footing back, at least in my opinion. I know a lot of people liked Discovery and the other seasons of Picard, but I could barely make it. It felt wrong, like a pseudo-Star Trek or the cinematic equivalent of the uncanny valley.
This show is nothing but 'remember this from a better show!'. It's a complete lack of talent from the writers.
@@bjorn00000 I wouldn't. I find the season to be just about the exact opposite, just like DerekHartley described.
Nothing wrong with fan service. Especially when it is done right and integrated into the story, like this season.
I forgive this Ups and Downs being a little bit late this week... because DAMN.
I was actually crying when the Enterprise D was revealed, and hearing Majel Barrett's voice was the icing on this already delicious cake. Also, Data's "I hope we die quickly!" nearly killed me. Seriously, I had food in my mouth and nearly choked I was laughing so hard.
the D was the third cry of the episode for me, after Laforge's agony over his daughters, and of course, i had to pause the show for almost 10 minutes for Shaw. I lost it completely when, after 9 weeks of "Hansen" his last words were "Seven of Nine". Sucker punch to the feels, and well done!
I laughed for one minute solid at that line.
We all need a friend like Data
SAME!
by cake, you mean a cellular peptide cake with Majel's voice being the mint frosting?
I was impressed with how much sense the Picard dna thing made - especially with how he could “hear” the collective in First Contact. That had been left unexplained since the 90s.
It makes wonderful sense, and it'd have been nice if Jurati-Borg had mentioned it to him. I guess it might be explained away that her sect of the Borg broke away in the 21st century and therefore weren't privy to the main Borg's plans, but really it kind of underlines how they didn't have a plan from season to season.
I like the idea of the board co-opting his irumodic syndrome for their own devices
That was AMAZING recon in action! Just brilliant!!!
The novelization just explained Picard had Borg implants that Crusher couldn't safely removed.
@@gabelogan5877 it’s been a long time since I read the novelisation, but as I recall there’s a line in the dream sequence at the start which says something along the lines of “hadn’t he always known? Somewhere beyond the reach of Beverly’s instruments” or something like that. I don’t think it directly said he still had Borg implants that couldn’t be removed but it would make sense, Seven had loads that couldn’t be safely removed. But my impression from the novelisation was that Picard was paranoid (with good reason) that there was still something left that would make him hear the collective rather than there being a definitive implant.
But as I said, I haven’t read it for a long time.
When he said "Engage", I saw him transform back to the younger Picard with all the authority and confidence I've missed up until now in this series. He went from uncle cuddly with a glass of whine to starship captain.
It seemed like a voiceover to me, cause he doesn't sound like that anymore.
@@SiXiam It's called acting!
@@dougdoty5682 He's one foot in the grave and if I were to guess it was the "Engage" from Generations.
@@SiXiam Nah mate that was all Patrick Stewart. Do you really think they'd dig out and isolate old audio when the mans standing right there? Don't be daft.
I’m surprised that no one has mentioned what a terrifying team the Borg and the Changelings make. They’ve always been two sides of the same coin, technologically on one side, biologically on the other. I hope we see more in the final episode!
Yes -- this! I'm a big fan of DS9, and the Great Link always did make me think of the Borg Collective. Two sides of the same coin indeed!
That's my biggest criticism of the last two episodes. The Changelings have been swept under the rug in favor of the Borg. IF they'd emphasized them working hand-in-goo, I'd have been okay with it. But now suddenly it's all Borg and nothing but the Borg. Yeah they're a bigger, badder Borg again and yay to that - but the Changelings are relegated to snively little kids that went running home the second their Big Brother stepped up to the plate.
That makes me wonder. Can a changeling be "assimilated"? Could the Collective and the Borg combine? Would they always be forever rivals or could they even work together?
ummm. why the changeling story line? ultimately, were they padding? just to make sure "Frontier Day" happened? ...idk. [pease help
@@rachelnesser9223 At least Odo warned Worf of the pending Changling threat, as revealed in this season.
I'm not gonna lie. When they lit up the galaxy class I had a single tear, when I heard Majel tell Picard the ship was his it was very powerful. Don't forget the Enterprise herself is not just the set, but a character on all her own, yet another cameo in this episode.
Me too but it felt like a nostalgic cover up for a really messed up ending
I've literally been WAITING for this review. TrekCulture gas become the tradition in my household. We watch an episode, and then impatiently wait for the next TrekCulture episode. So good. So so good.
Im turning 47 and i cried like a child, so many wonderful moments in one episode, TNG was my only friend back then, as well as my companion during my recovery from open heart surgery, it was incredible seeing my favorite crew on screen one more time ❤, very sad but then again, very excited for next weeks series finale
Me 2
47 reference!! 😂
I was extremely excited to hear Alice Krige again, I recognized her voice immediately. It was great seeing Shelby again, and sad that she (probably) bit the dust and I'm also ANGRY AF that Shaw also died. I think he had the most character growth I've ever seen over 9 episodes of a single season on a show, more than some characters that are around for years on some shows. I wanted to see a spinoff with him as captain so badly.
Shaw could have had a spin off series
There was definitely potential for a Shaw spinoff...at least he died letting others escape, fulfilling that particular story arc and in an ironic way explaining the 'why me? / dips**t from Chicago' question from Wolf 359...
Shelby is definitely dead, she got shot twice right in the chest
I think that Shelby was a Changeling. We’ve seen Changelings survive getting shot by phasers this season and her speech became a villain monologue when she started talking about fleet automation. I think she was shocked because the Borg turned on the Changelings in that moment too.
Didn’t Alice also do the voice of the Borg Queen over on Lower Decks, for I, Excretus?
My take on the "we haven't seen the Borg in over a decade" is that the Crushers have been under the radar on the edges of Federation space for a decade: Beverly just didn't hear about the events of seasons 1 and 2 and everybody around her when she said it didn't feel that was the appropriate time for a history lesson.
At one point earlier in the season, Shaw says something like “the REAL Borg are still out there, not whatever that weird shit was on the Stargazer.” My take is that they’re looking at Jurati’s Borg Cooperative as a different entity. The Artifact was a long-abandoned derelict, cut off from the Collective. I think Crusher was referring to an encounter with one or more functional, original Borg cube(s).
Not to mention it may not be public knowledge. Do you think the Federation would openly admit that they'd formed an alliance with the Borg? No no, they'd hush that up!
Or just, they chose to ignore first two seasons
@@SamCogley they could be sort of linking more of the STO game to the show as in that the Borg Cooperative are a group of borg that sort of managed to break off from the main collective for whatever reasons and formed their own little group to stay alive and safe and in that they later even help the other factions when the universe is pretty much doomed
Jurati’s Borg are from an alternate timeline and thus separate from the prime timeline Borg. I believe the production staff had even tossed around the idea of naming them “The Jurati”. Still leaves a bit of a plot hole in that you’d think Picard would want to ask them/her for help. Since we get a transwarp conduit I wonder if perhaps we learn that the prime Borg overpowered/destroyed her Borg.
When I heard the voice of the old Enterprise computer, majel Barrett Roddenberry, I have tears in my eyes
@@funfact8660 I didn't expect it to hit me like that I'm not the most emotional guy
Hearing Majel Barret’s voice back on the bridge of the Rebuilt D just added to the excitement and joy of being back on that ship and made me cry tears of joy.
I was literally crying for an hour after the coup de grace of emotion that was Majel's voice, and not just her voice but compiled with the phonemes she left behind just for this purpose :)
she is and always be our original "suri or alexia"
@@TheMsLourdes They actually lifted that out of Chain of Command when Picard takes back over from Jelicoe. I thought it was not only fitting but a great touch and a small nod to another albeit short Captain of the Enterprise.
@@TheMsLourdes I would think these days, they could have done it with AI machine learning and no one would be the wiser.
You might even say VOX
One of the best moments in this episode is where Data attempts to comfort Picard and after noticing how hurt he is Data just simply puts his hand on his shoulder. It's such a remarkably simple gesture but tells so much about the characters, especially Data. Old TNG Data would have just kept talking and attempting to comfort Picard by brute forcing a conversation or employing techniques in his database of comforting actions. Instead this Data has finally reached a level of emotional maturity and human understanding that he knows that sometimes the greatest thing you can do to help a friend in crisis, when no words can help, is to simply let them know you're there and an act as small as putting your hand on their shoulder can be enough. Something the old Data would never have understood or been able to do. Great stuff.
While I agree with the overall theme of what you said. I think old Data would have done the exact same thing tbh.
One of the great things about his character was his ability to logically figure out exactly what a person needs emotionally without having them himself.
I think vadic killed T'Veen because she was among the oldest of the bridge crew. Vulcans can look young and Be comparatively older
Very good point !
Now that's an excellent cetacean observation!
Great point in hindsight!
I was thinking the exact same thing. Vadic sowed terror and got rid of someone they were going to have to kill later anyway.
Yes suspect you are very right
I'm guessing when Crusher talked about not being in contact with the Borg for a decade, she's being specific about the collective, which is why Jurati's Borg don't count. That being said, if there was ever a time for the Jurati collective to step up and help Starfleet, it's now.
Exactly what I thought and rote about five minutes after watching. Even a Changling-enhanced Borg now out in the open (as Bev said they were working together “from the very beginning”) seemed like a let down. It was also temporally out of sink skipping over the experience of Jurati’s Borg Queen. How do you have two different Borg Queens alive at the same time without explanation? The only logical outcome would be for Jurati & Good Borg to support Enterprise in the final battle.
In my mind the only enemy that was so totally unlike human-dominated Space were the mechanical inter dimensional invaders from the end of Picard Season Two. Now that would have been a terrifying enemy to vanquish...
Terry Matalas stated that the Juarti collective is not in this season, but maybe that was misdirection. They could always use that trans warp conduit as the entry point for the main borg collective into Sol though.
I'm wondering why season 2 existed at all if it's completely stand-alone and didn't advance the overall series story line in any way. Much the same way with season 1. This show is just awful. A poor attempt at fan service.
@@Ducky69247 I don't think that if I felt as strongly as you, I would have invested hours into watching a show that I clearly disliked. Very strange behavior, but it seems to be more common nowadays.
@@joannamcdee9061 not entirely sure that Vadic was borg enhanced. she specifically says NOT to use the transports previously, probably aware of the modifications and not wanting to become infected with the changes. I suppose you could argue that she had already been infected or modified since her communication with the collective happens when she utilizes her liquid form, but that could be something else entirely. Jurati (Queen) exists from an alternative timeline and wouldn't have anything to do with the queen present in the prime timeline. Regardless, the Destiny books stated that there were multiple queens existing in one timeline before so it's not unprecedented.
The only 2 downs for me were Troi leaving her "patient" in the middle, to talk to the parents. 1 Jack is an adult and even if it's a security risk, you bring in the parents into the conversation. Not leave him hanging. Also not consulting Seven in any way was a down for me. Everything else was up :D
Yes, i agree, the old TNG would have handeld the situation with Troy much better. Wel picked up.
Yep she should have called security
I also thought Jack should have opened the door himself, not Deanna, because that's how sessions are supposed to go. Or alternatively, they open it together and work towards it. In therapy, the therapist isn't supposed to "do things or you" but help you learn how to do things for yourself.
@@joeherbert4360 its not Troi though. It's the terrible actor playing her cockney self. Troi is gone. That accent ? Remember her reunion with Riker on the strike "Ohh Weuewl " (?)Also the show is written by 20something hacks so theirs that too. Story by.. committee of young hacks thst has to include..no matter how inorganic and contrived..BORG (but wont be revealed until the last hour because mystery ) The OG cast even though they are old as shit and half can barely act (picard/troi/data). Include S1/2 raffi that no one likes. Work the picard robot body into the plot.. etc etc.
Hollywood simply doesn't know how to handle therapy; it's disgusting. And Troi storming out was highly infurating and unprofessional.
The Starfleet personnel that made the decision to integrate all the ships was compromised by the changelings. So despite what happened during Prodigy and any subsequent protocols they did it anyway. This isn't bad writing or studio team management, it just shows how moles in key positions can really damage an administration.
in which case we have to pretend that Starfleet haven't encountered any other mnd-controlling aliens before - which ofc, they have - and that the entire fleet chose to just ignore the moronic idea of bringing the whole fleet to one place at one time because... Doesn't add up.
Wish it did, but it doesn't.
Never has a Star Trek show made my heart skip so many beats! What an insanely beautifully crafted episode to the the fans and cast of TNG! It gives one all the feels! 11 out of 10!! LLAP!
So many 😂😢😢😢
As soon as hangar 12 doors opened I couldn’t stop crying, everything brought back so many fond memories and feelings and to hear Majel again really hit hard emotionally. I was both happy and sad at the same time. Just beautiful…
Literal tears flowing unrestrained as the Enterprise-D was revealed…and couldn’t quit bawling through the entire ending as Picard voiced “Engage!” Just too much emotion…
And it wasn't a wek little "engage" either, it was full-throated and strong like the old days.
I'm right there with you. This whole season feels like what everyone thought this show was going to be back before season 1, before any announcements were made about the story.
This season is just pure fan service, but in the best possible way.
But this next episode has gotta have a lot happening. Not much time to wrap up the entire main conflict starting from square one after just figuring out what is happening.
I cried for an hour.. I was on the edge but Majel's phoneme based computer voice threw me over... I was crying like a baby for an hour
Yep me too
I had a feeling that it might be the D. This is a TNG reunion and not movie reunion. Also there were small clues. For instance Worf is wearing yellow division colours and not red, as he changed to yellow in the second season and never at least in the prime line changed to red. They also focused on the painting in the first episode a little too hard. The reference in ten forward and even Picards old TNG comm badge. I really thought they naught CGI it, but no. I checked the last episode of Enterprise where they did CGI the Enterprise D and it had both of its saucer impulse engines glowing. Same with the CGI models of the other Galaxy Class ships. On the show they only lit up when the ship separated and they only filmed that three times all with the six foot model. Now say the six foot model, as that was what they used in Generations and the same reason they destroyed the D as it is hard to find with for the big screen. The markings on the saucer are almost identical to those after it crashed.
Lieutenant John Kelly was also the commander of the Ares IV mission from the Voyager episode "One small step"
I'm 58, and I'm not ashamed to say I cried like a baby for the last 10 or 15 minutes, from the second we saw the Enterprise D. Even though I love all the new series, this is definitely my favourite episode of Trek in the last 30 years for soooo many reasons
A couple of bit I noticed.
1. The bridge layout was from the TNG series, not the Generations film. As in Generations there were additional consoles added to the slopes on each side of the bridge along with more LCAR screens on the wall, but there weren't present on this bridge. 2. When Picard sits down before he says engage, he does the "Picard Maneuver, and pulls down on his shirt.
An absolutely amazing episode dna I will be so sad when it ends next week, that I'll have to rewatch it immediately afterwards. 😢😢
That bridge module was trashed. It was probably easier to dig up the older one.
Also in that scene, Riker says "Is the bridge smaller or am I bigger?" I think that was making fun at the fact that it is the original bridge and not the Wide-screen modified Generations bridge
La Forge said he's been restoring it. Restorations start by identifying a period of significance and returning an object to that time period, usually removing changes from later periods. I'd assume that the Fleet Museum probably is operating under similar ideas as modern museums and that's why La Forge had the freedom to discard the later additions to the bridge. After all, they were only part of the ship for a short time before it was destroyed, and so not really native to the ship's main period of significance.
@@QuintusAntonious all I could think of was "Tom Paris had project cars on the holodeck. Geordi has a project Galaxy class in space dock." I wonder how many times he got in trouble with his wife because he was in the shed tinkering with the warp core...
I also loved Geordi being an absolute nerd when he says "there's still a lot of work to do... and the port nacelle cover is a nightmare..." as if apologizing for lack of authenticity! Like any of us would get when showing off a model kitbash and knowing full well a piece of it is not 100%. He knows the ship so well he can tell if a piece of hull plating was the wrong shade of gray! I loved that whole thing. It was only during the credits rolling that I turned to my wife and, in a moment of fridge logic, said "how the hell are they piloting a ship that used to have a crew of 1014 with only seven people?!". I know I know, the D had a LOT of civilian crew, and that number included the non-crew civilians. But still, you mean to tell me no ones is watching the core down in engineering as they go to warp? I wish they had at least talked about automation of the ship... (too soon?)
Wonder if that's what Seven's line during the launch of the Titan was foreshadowing. Also brings up the episode "Remember Me". While it could be classified as a "dream sequence" it did have Picard operating the ship solo. Or 11001001 in which just 4 Bynars manage to operate the ship alone from the bridge. Seems the D had a good deal of automation built in.
Scotty also mentioned in Relics I think that had he a shuttlecraft from the D his automation of the A in ST3 wouldn't have failed in combat.
They did hint at automation. Geordi said drones were loading the torpedo bays. Nostalgia riddled fanboy me is going to assume there are other drones elsewhere 😊
If Scotty could automate the Enterprise so that "a chimpanzee and two trainees could run her", I'm sure Geordi could do something similar. Hell, maybe he installed holoemitters and has a crew of EEH programs running down in engineering.
@@RiggerMantis the D is bigger so maybe 3 chimps and 6 trainees in addition to our heroes. Of course if there is a trainee to chimp ratio you could go all chimp.
Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda had the ship drones doing all the non-main-cast jobs, so I could see Star Tre going the same route...
From watching TNG week to week in the original run, to watching it repeatedly over the years whenever I needed a sense of comfort during some truly awful times.. the scene at the museum filled me with a rush of emotion. As I began crying I was acutely aware of what Star Trek has meant to me throughout my life. I am so grateful for how this was handled and the payoff of watching Picard for fans is hard to articulate fully. I can't wait to see what happens next. Also, TrekCulture.. all of you increase the enjoyment of modern Trek ten-fold.
Seeing the Enterprise D today was pure joy - she was the ship of my childhood and I was gutted when she crashed. Seeing her fly again......took me back to better times....and I'm not ashamed to say I sobbed 🥹
Welcome back, big girl.....I missed you ❤️
It was so good to hear Alice Krige back as the Borg Queen, she never fails to strike that uneasy feeling as she takes command of a scene. That said I'm really going to miss Annie Wersching's Queen. She was sinister, captivating, she stole every scene she was in and did it with (lack of a better word) Perfection. It would have been fantastic to see her continue in the role, RIP Annie you are missed. This episode was incredible, from start to finish I was on the edge of my seat. The mass assimilation was unnerving to watch, there were so many moments that struck right in the heart with a few comedic moments to lighten things just enough as not to shatter you completely. I'm excited for the final episode and I hope it ends this incredible season with a bang.
@@funfact8660 love Data's little reaction to it each time they call him robot. That line "I hope we die quickly" was just gold 🤣
One thing I noticed when they fly by the saucer of the Enterprise-D, you can still see the dirt marks on the underside of the saucer from the crash on Viridian III. Such amazing detail
I noticed dirt marks too! But dismissed that reasoning that surely Geordi must have washed those.
@@fik_of_borg it’s a work in progress, Geordi hasn’t finished repairing all the crash damage.
@@fik_of_borg of course he would have cleaned and repaired it. He's an engineer...
Data using physical contact to comfort Picard felt like a callback to Generations when Picard explained the importance of physical touch to humans.
You mean First contact?
The entire episode just kept delivering scene after scene, but when the restored Enterprise-D was unveiled the tears started flowing. I've missed that ship so much. Even more than I thought. And for years I was disappointed that the TNG crew never got a proper send-off movie. This last season of Picard more than makes up for that. Can't wait to see Enterprise-D and crew save the galaxy one last time next week. Make it so! 🥰
My assumption is that the fleet automation happened because the Changlings who infiltrated Star Fleet managed to push it.
Also loved that the brighter lighting was kept in for the bridge of the Enterprise-D. It's a common complaint of newer Trek, but even normal scenes on the Titan seem way too dark.
I (think) they do that because the contrast "pops" on the newer 4K OLED sets (especially with Dolby Vision enhancement). As these sets become more affordable the majority of the viewing audience will be migrating to that kind of display ...
I like the dark. The consistent bright lighting is so studio-ish.
Me too. It’s also brighter than the film bridges were.
Speaking of film bridges, I saw a comment in another video that that was the basis of Riker’s “is it smaller or am I bigger?” joke since the film bridges were wider than the TV bridge.
I love that scene where Troi says, "I've never been so happy to see so many wrinkles". Priceless! 🤣 I would have to say this was Counselor Troi's BEST episode ever!
I know there was a lot of stuff in the Easter eggs this week, but Judith Resnik was the second AMERICAN woman in space, but the FOURTH woman in space. Love your videos. Keep it up. I can't wait to see how this season ends.
Random leftover scraps:
-I kind of love the fact that LaForge never updated the 1701-D’s database after the crash on Veridian III. It seems very LaForge to rebuild her to fully operational specifications for the hell of it, but also keep her frozen at that point in time.
-While the 1701-D’s saucer is going to mostly be upgraded in service 1st generation Galaxy-class, if the Syracuse was one of the Dominion War Galaxies, or even just a later generation model, it probably has an updated warp core and heavier weaponry on the stardrive section. We may get a bit of a souped-up 1701-D.
-The confirmation that Worf got his fourth pip as Captain of the 1701-E was a nice touch.
+Considering that the 1701-E was repairable after using the front edge of her saucer to slash a hole in another ship makes me wonder just what in Sto’Vo’Kor Worf did to the 1701-E.
+On that note, I wonder what Riker did to the Luna-class Titan that left her with a lot of salvageable systems but an unrepairable hull/frame. One too many gluonic disruptions?
I have to be really blunt about this, the borg reveal worked so well! It explained why Picard heard the Borg in first contact while he was supposed to be implant free. Absolutely brilliant.
I swear I shed more tears this season than anything else I’ve watched in my life. I lost it when I saw the NCC-1701 D and more so with the camera work showing the bridge I grew up and haven’t seen anew in over 25 years!! Hearing Majel Barrett, choked me up. She is always the computer voice I expect to hear every time.
My moment was easily when the OG ship made it's reappearance, the Enterprise, THEIR Enterprise D, my mind was just blown, I was bouncing in my chair like a maniac, to get to see them one last time in THE ship that made them who they were, I'm super excited for the finale!
I must say I was hoping to see more Shaw in the future. Genuinely loved his character and arc. He'd have made a great edition to any new Trek because he's not 'samey'. RIP Captain Shaw
I was gutted too I read an interview of the actor who played him and he was saying how he’d love his own spin-off show. I wonder if he knew at the time he wouldn’t make it
@Sarah Kinsey oh definitely, he probably laid that booby trap down himself since he’s a huge Trekkie. I already miss the alternate reality where Todd Stashwick got his own show.
Shaw's not dead yet, he's just resting. If Shelby can take two to the chest and Sean thinks she's still alive, why can't Shaw? He's got better plot armor anyway.
I am just thinking....maybe, just maybe there's a chance. We never saw Raffi and seven get away. The rest of the episode focused on the tng folks. Maybe he gasps again in the next episode and......lives???? I'm an eternal optimist, what do I know?!
@@admcalister4678 yeah! Manage to get him into stasis and fix him up. At this point I don’t think Seven has any nanoprobes to revive him like how Neelix was but one can hope
I wish this season was the first season for the show. It shows that the cast back together still kicks a$$. I wish we could have more adventures for them together.
Exactly what I was about to comment, the borg reveal would have been amazing if this was the first season as well but using them in every season is a bit much.
It's forever tainted by the first two garbage seasons. 😑
@@omma911this season literally uses the plots of season 1 and character archetypes but suddenly all the complaints for season 1 disappeared because it’s TNG characters
@@CaptainPikeachu no
I didn't hate the first two seasons - but this one is far superior for sure. I'm upset this is the last one, but maybe it'll lead onto other things?
Utterly loved it, great breakdown! I also noticed the similarity between Kirk and Picard after they both comandeer their respective Enterprises, they give their crews the option to disembark before they head off to complete their missions. Great tip of the hat to "The Search for Spock".
Edit: Yes, as a 44 year old guy who grew up on TNG I also wept at the reveal of Enterpise D until the end of the episode. My wife may divorce me for being weird, and I'm okay with that!
This whole season has really been hitting me in the feels as they say. This has a feeling of coming home for me. From the Enterprise-D, the homage to TOS movies with the Titan's design, to seeing the crew back in place. The Enterprise was the last main cast member to set in place for the finale, and this whole season is a wonderful love letter to Star Trek as a whole.
Everything about this episode was awful except the Enterprise D part. S3 was fantastic until they went lazy with making DNA borg.
The borg have no telepath abilities, they use technology to communicate. Jurati Borg would have known everything about DNA borg and Jack so she would have warned Picard. DNA Borg make no sense and ignoring S2 makes no sense. Transporters do not replace DNA with every beam out with a "template" as transporters transport any species, any material, and almost any kind of technology. They dont have "templates" of everything. That goes against everything from past star trek.
Killing off Shaw was horrible, do they not want legacy characters anymore like what they just did with TNG???
The only fix to all of this right now is to time travel or have this all be Picard's dream from when he was dying in S1.
@@common_c3nts I had some similar thoughts. I wonder if there are multiple Borg "hives" that don't necessarily communicate with each other. I would challenge your assumption that Borg are not telepathic or at least don't have telepathic abilities. We saw hints of this in the Voyager episode when the Borg Cooperative was established. You could make the argument that telepathy is just a biological form of Wi-fi. They've certainly assimilated telepathic species, so maybe they've found a way to integrate their abilities.
@@common_c3nts There's literally nothing that says you can't have organic antennae for transmission and reception. That was the whole point of it only affecting developing brains, so that the structure could grow appropriately. A simple genetic coding that causes certain cells to grow in particular ways is exactly how stem-cells function. It failed on Picard because it was introduced into a pre-developed brain, so it interfered with brain function instead of being integrated into it.
@@common_c3nts Similar things have happened, it's, also, essentially a reversal of the biofilters there for it
Love your little video tribute to Shaw. He really grew on me throughout the season and I was sad to see him go, but it also felt like a satisfying end. In guarding the rear so that Picard and the others could escape and finally recognizing his first officer as Seven of Nine, it felt like he was putting to rest his trauma for 30+ years of Wolf 359 survivor's guilt.
I loved the field demotion line.
Also on another note how dare he not keep Kirk's advice , "Don't let them promote you...Don't let them do anything that takes you off that bridge of that ship."
Glad to see he will make a difference aboard the Enterprise once again!
Majel Barrett's line was directly from the ending of Chain of Command, Part 2 hence it was Captain Picard, not Admiral.
My understanding is that he became an admiral to oversee the evacuation of Romulus before his retirement, so he took the advice to heart, he just eventually heard what seemed like a more important calling.
@@benjaminolson7206 Yeah, this. He saw it as a necessary sacrifice to save who knows how many people. Plus it sounds like they let him keep his flag on the Enterprise-E for a good long while.
Sean, you missed the most important bit! When Picard sat in his seat on the bridge, and immediately engaged the ‘Picard Manoeuvre’. Classic
Oh my God, what an episode. This episode filled me with so many emotions. Seeing the fleet get taken over by the Borg was so intense, but seeing the Enterprise D again made me feel like somehow everything will be okay.
Or... well, you know how that actor keeps saying "don't expect everyone to make it thru"- what if its everyone doesn't make it? If the entire Enterprise-D (main cast) crew sacrifices themselves to save the Federation, along with the D?
I didn't see Shaw die. I saw him shot and go unconscious, but as you say about Shelby: "No death certificate."
Emotionally intelligent Data is just a gift, simply amazing. His interactions with Geordie were fantastic. "I hope we die fast!"
Hello Chair
I hope we die fast was the best line in the episode. Amazing zinger.
Biting my lip hard and "hearing" the"These are the voyages" line from TNG was the ONLY thing that helped me keep my stuff together at my grandparents double funeral, as I watched my dad suffering. I just knew I had to keep it together for his sake.
This bought back a lot of bitter sweet memories.
In an episode of huge moments, the biggest one (for me) barely got a mention here - Data's "I hope we die quickly!". That's basically the culmination of his entire arc - he finally and properly gets humour in his third incarnation, and applied it perfectly.
It was an up from Sean
Also, his smile really looked like Lore's. Good to see there's some of him there.
Just remembered a shot similarity from either Best of Both Worlds or First Contact: when JLP was first assimilated there was a tear rolling down his cheek when he gave the order to fire. Jack's tears when he first got assimilated were just as heartbreaking
@32:00 -- John Kelly was the astronaut commanding the Ares IV, that disappeared by Mars in 2032 (and that Voyager found in the graviton elipse in the Delta Quadrant (One Small Step)) -- I just watched this one a couple nights ago. So glad i finally have something constructive to contribute! :D
Thinking more about it now, after the reveal of how those under 25 can be assimilated...T'veen's death (which you downed Shawn) makes sense. Mura and Esmar were under 25, thus useful. T'Veen being Vulcan, was probably too old or was past the threshold where her frontal cortex was done developing making the new assimilation method useless.
The 25 cutoff would be for humans, but Vulcans would have a different development cycle. She may still have been too old, but the age could have been higher for Vulcans.
The whole final scene on 1701-D is legitimately one of, if not THE best scene in all of star trek in my opinion! I was honestly a little choked up at times ... so, soo good! 👏👏👏
Another fantastic episode! The entire scene of the D right from when the hanger door opened enough to see the shape, gave me freakin goosebumps. I teared up when we heard Majel’s voice. They did an amazing job keeping that under wraps from all of us! An incredible surprise that I will remember for a LONG time to come. 😊
I love the idea of a Borg/Dominion team up, also I love the fact that in the show that brings back so many characters from The Next Generation, the bad guys ultimate target is quite literally the next generation.
I'll admit. I cried. I cried like my wife cries during romantic movies. This was such an impact full episode! Absolutely loved every second of this one!
A moment that has not been discussed was when 7 called Data, “Robot”. Data’s look was hilarious!
I didn’t want to see the Borg. But how they are assimilating is a worthy, cringe-inducing new approach. 🎉 It’s almost as frightening and has feels as Picard becoming Locutus and imagining what he went through and how starfleet could win.
I agree, it was funny, but really! Seven, pot calling the kettle black much?
Hopefully some how we get captain Benjamin back or an appearance by him and the wormhole gods that's the only way bringing the Borg bay makes any sense to me wouldn't that be amazing trekkies ?
@@Cylver1 I hope your black and not trying to be racist with that comment
K Mix, lol, no, nothing racist implied. I just meant that Seven, as a former drone, was the last person who should have been calling Data a robot. I admit, it was a funny line, but I thought it was actually uncalled for.
i will always remember the conversation the Borg queen and 7 of 9 had in Voyager when she returned to them for a time to save the ship, the queen had the plan to create a new way to assimilate humans and wanted 7 to program the nanoprobes and this feels a lot like that plan to gradually assimilate by dispersion of nanoprobes in the atmosphere. but this time not gradually, but stealthily.
"less surreptitious" I believe was what she said.
During the lights up sequence in the 1701-D, even my non-Trekkie-non-sentimental wife watched with a smile and then said "This is even making me feel happy!"
As a software developer I was just blown away and ELATED at the transporter code hack. They explained it well enough that any normal person can understand it, but it was also presented in a way that was SO damn plausible from a programming standpoint. Most software as we know it today is written with certain patterns in order to make the code reusable and - as a result - more efficient. For the devs reading this, I'm of course talking about OOP.
The idea that the Borg managed to compromise the base class DLL of transporter code and insert a trojan horse malware is just... *chef's kiss* SO GOOD. And the transporter of all things, the perfect marriage of biology and technology working as one is just SO SOMETHING A BORG WOULD DO!
It's so sinister, and such a scary concept but it works so well.
Seeing the Enterprise D was such a surprise. I half thought they’d be nicking the Constitution class, so they could reuse the Strange New Worlds Enterprise set, not rebuilding the whole D’s set. It was just so unexpected, and I can’t wait for next week.
I was just bawling my eyes out by the end of the episode. I have watched the seen where the crew walks on the the Enterprise D bridge 6 times and I cry every time.
I had the moment of 'Oh the Borg again' but I love what happened next. Picard s3 has been amazing. This is a show I want to see more of. Kind of wished it was season 1 instead of the final season.
I cant get enough of the Borg. Should be more not less. My best friends name is Borg. I've told him if his name was Kazon we wouldn't an Item. He understands this.
I JUST rewatched Best of Both Worlds before watching this episode tonight. At the end, Shelby was assigned to get the fleet up and running again after the huge losses at Wolf 359. Pretty interesting that she essentially presided over a new fleet's apparent annihilation this week. I hope she's not dead.
She took two in the chest while Shaw only took one. Doubtful.
Thank you, I had to get this. Most emotional episode ever. It is impossible to up this episode in the final, but I'm just happy to have this. Just amazing. I can not put it into words.
The fact that Sulu and Uhura have ships named for them made me tear up.😢😢😢
You REALLY got to hand it to these set construction teams. The bridge scene here was a stunning as the on one in Relics, and made me weep as much too.
I'm surprised that Sean and TrekCulture haven't picked up the main sign posting for The Borg in this series: The First Contact being the theme tune to the series. It's been there all the time.
I said exactly the same to my Mrs this morning when she watched the episode
I've thought about that the WHOLE time. I knew the Borg had to be mixed up in this mess.
I'm just happy all of the "it's the Pah-Wraiths” folks can finally stop pushing the DS9 plot threads “because Changelings.”
This is a TNG story folks, let it be a TNG story.
@@ColinPMcEvoy So true ... They were getting tiresome and a little insane.
I was thinking the same thing...
My brother watched the episode a few hours before I did and simply told me to get ready. I was messaging him throughout the show. The one message I want to highlight is the great job the writers did to tie a whole bunch of things together. Like how Picard could hear the Borg. So well done. My last message to him was how are they going to wrap this up in one more episode? Seems like they’ll need at least three. I’m giddy, excited but also sad that there is only one hour left. What a ride.
God I'm hoping for 2 hour episode
How the hell they spliced it all together… my issue is and was touched on by Sean… we have two Borg Queens … from two different universes
the Borg plan, if a bit complicated, its perfect. all the pieces fall into place so nicely!
I believe its not simply the Borg. I think they allied with or assimilated the founders
USS John Kelly is actually a reference to “One Small Step” in season 6 of Voyager. Lt. John Kelly was pulled into a graviton ellipse while on a mission to Mars and his ship is found by Voyager. Great moment for 7 to learn why people value history!
Fabulous, jam-packed episode this morning. As usual, Sean and crew did an amazing job. I’m still having a problem with fluid leakage this morning after seeing the 1701D again, and from hearing the REAL computer voice!
Thank you both so much for the hard work put into this weeks ups and downs. Hearing Majal again in ST made the tears flow, I felt so sappy.
Such a damn good episode. Shaw’s death crushed me. I really really wanted him to survive. Such a great character. At first I yelled and got angry but when he called her Seven of Nine I immediately felt his death was handled right. The Enterprise D at the end is just, yeah, I have no words. I was left in awe.
So the Enterprise F was said to be getting decommissioned…maybe we’ll get an Enterprise G?? If so, who should captain it?
It seemed to me like the Enterprise F was being launched on Frontier Day.
It feels like the whole Jirati Borg Queen thing from season 2 has been ignored. I don’t mind, I hated season 2. Also what I meant about the decommission was the audio in the early episodes. I could’ve sworn they said early decommission for the Enterprise. Wouldn’t be the E as it would’ve been over 20 years old.
This episode was the best thing I could have asked for. I cried so much and loved the team being back together!
Thanks to Sean and Kris for putting this together so quickly. I really didn't see the story arc going this way. This has been a fantastic series, I blubbed at seeing the Enterprise D last night.
Nostalgia is a wonderful thing!
Thank you so much guys for continually delivering such amazing content. This series has been phenomenal, every week I continue to be blown away with each new episode. And you guys add so much to my experience as a fan. Latinum Up always 🙏🏻
I screamed & cheered at the Borg reveal, because after thinking of all the clues in the season, that was what I thought made the most sense, and they did it. Passing on Locutus was Picard's worst nightmare. The red eyes and all as misdirect suggesting the Pah Wraiths was fantastic. I'm in awe of the writing this season - the way they combed through past shows and movies for tiny throwaway lines & then used them as threads to weave into this plot. Crusher saying "his DNA is being rewritten," in BoBW 2 became the whole centerpoint of this story. Plus they explained why he could hear them in First Contact. Wonderfully conceived, crafted and performed.
That Riker STILL hates Shelby gave me life! LOL I'm a blubbery mess each time I watch the D reveal. Even being sure that was what was in Hanger 12, they way they did it just could not have been more perfect.
Now HOW do they conclude this in an hour?! I think Rafi/7 being on the Titan is key. They were closest to Jurati at end of Sea. 2. Will they call on her? Who else but Borg could beat Borg? The TNG crew will save Jack somehow. It's going to be crazy!
Brilliant! I kept yelling at the TV "Jurati!" I think you're right on the money with this! I know they said she wasn't coming back, but come on! Pill/Wersching Queen VS Krige Queen??? How awesome would that be!? 😱😍😱
Sorry, lol... Literally screaming after that episode ❤️🔥
Excellent theory!
I have to say that I think this single episode did a fantastic job of making the Borg terrifying again.
Like sure, they were always a strong threat, but after a while they stopped being a terrifying threat. This episode makes them so terrifying again.
and it looks like the "weakness" they had displayed was just a trap and a needed tool for their long play. So they pretended to be "weak" to archive their long play.
Totally agree
Oh, did I ever ugly cry for Shaw. I just wanna say, I didn't see a death certificate for him either. And Lower Decks even said the bridge crew always comes back! A Titan series with Captain Shaw and Commander Seven would have been SO GOOD.
Definitely got teary eyed when I heard Majel's voice too! I mean they pretty much HAD to, but it was still so good to hear.
The 2 best things of this episode.
Hearing Majel as the computer again and Alice Krige reprising the role as the Borg Queen.
For SURE
Trek legends, both.
I cried for the last 10 minutes. It fired on all thrusters. You guys do incredible work.
As soon as 'She' appeared onscreen, I burst into tears of joy...and I just about did again when you mentioned that that was Majel's voice there. I now *HAVE* to watch the episode again, if only in anticipation of the 90-minute roller-coaster of a ride I expect it will be next Thursday.
Again, I'm torn that my late father is not here to see this, as he would REALLY be enjoying it.
So glad you mentioned the shoulder moment between Picard and Data...but I think the fact that it happened between two androids would have been a nice callout...really love the Ups & Downs...thanks guys!