i teach guitar for a living, and this reminds me of when my intermediate/advanced electric guitar students want to try classical guitar. you have to pretend like you've never touched a guitar before in your life, and build from the beginning. cool video.
@ladgend productions they’re both cool, but there is some asymmetric intelligibility between the two styles. Just like how a weightlifter would almost certainly do better in a powerlifting meet than a powerlifter would do in a weightlifting meet, the same generally holds true when comparing classical guitar to electric. There’s just another level of technical proficiency that’s required of both weightlifting and classical guitar. That’s not to say that powerlifting or electric guitar aren’t hard or impressive, it’s just that the skills needed to be successful at weightlifting and classical guitar transfer better than they would the other way around.
@@aclouti6 That's completely false. Electric guitar can be just as hard or harder than typical classical guitar. Let a random classical guitarist try to play Frank Gambale style picking. He would need years to develop the technique, most likely will never reach it.
I've always found it pretty ironic that powerlifting doesn't rely on power at all while power is everything in weightlifting. Honestly powerlifting and weightlifting should switch names.
I use WLing as a way to build my power ironically. If you dont want to grind a weight up you need to move quick and the clean has always been the best way for me to work on that.
I think the most fun part about implementing WL into my PL program is starting at step 1. Years into powerlifting, you sometimes get tired of doing the same heavy work on the same movements/variations. Being able to just take a bar and learn the snatch is oddly enjoyable
@@rdog657 that's awesome man and i'm not gonna lie weightlifting learned me about stretching again i totally lost my mobility because of PL never saw any reason to stretch when i did PL.
@@brucepower3429 I’ve seen so many older lifters suffer from issues like knee and elbow joint mobility. I completely agree w you, I love being able to practice my front rack position and relearning that mobility
Poster child checking in here. 700lbs + squat and deadlift, 500lbs+ bench, 550lbs front squat, 350lbs strict OHP (which is als0 15lbs more than my best push press because I never really did those)... couldn't power clean 300lbs to save my life.
@@tv26889 Strength is genetic as well. Everything is genetic. But judging your genetic without years of training is stupid. Someone could be very responsive to training stimulus and therefore be genetically gifted.
@@MrOpticBlade We were talking about Explosive power and it doesn't improve that much. You don't go from a 30 inch vertical to a 38 inch vertical from training and even drugs. The person in the original comment had elite numbers on their lifts but couldn't clean 300 pounds. That's someone who isn't very explosive. I would wager their vertical is around 25.
You and Dimitry are my favorite weightlifters, I am almost 60 and just started weightlifting. Don’t mind if I ever CJ 100 K I love the process and will do until my passing…..wished I had known this as a kid
Man this video came right on time Clarence. Just transitioned from Powerlifting to Weightlifting a month ago and oh boy. Just everything you have mentioned is 100% true from A-Z. Thanks man.
As someone with a more bodybuilding-based training background, this video really spoke a lot to me. I've been learning the snatch technique for the past few months (first with an old 10 kg practice bar, then with a proper olympic bar) and I'm getting more and more confident, stable and stronger in the positions. My current Snatch PR is 37.5 Kg for a triple with arguably decent technique. (if I can say so myself, been talking to a few people in olympic weightlifting gyms and they say it looks good, i just need to become faster in the turnover). Of course, that isn't much at all but once I nail the technique even more I'm sure it's gonna go up. You are a great inspiration Clarence, never change dude.
Do you know what are your prs on deadlifting/squat/ overhead press? Just to understand the proportion because I don't really know what I can snatch and clean with my actual force
You got this. Just remember to not use your arms in thr first pull of either the snatch or the clean. This is most often the issue bodybuilding guya have.
I am very skinny, does it make sense to do hypertrophy exercises at the start of Olympic lifting and then in the long run as part of my training as well? Or it's just going to cause me problems.
@@cold_servo_pie blaha has no program. That 5x5 program had been around for decades before stroke mouth surfaced , all he did was add curls to it and then claim it as his own program . As with everything else , where you find blaha you will find dishonesty
Tricker and former powerlifter here. You inspired me to move to olympic lifts, and way more squatting as a result. It really helps my knees when training tricks and feels like i could progress at oly lifts for years to come. Thanks!
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As someone who focused on powerlifting before eventually making the complete switch, here are my learnings: - being too strong meant on most movements my strength became a crutch that did not transfer when upping the weights - being used to lock out all joints means I have to untrain my body reflex and stay mobile and elastic during the first pull - not really needing to have mobility means I have to stretch all the time to make up for the time I was not
I've been training only in weightlifting for 2 years now. I'm now going to some powerlifting and other muscles I do not train much to help balance out everything. Every exercise my traps were unconsciously helping out pointed by others. I also was trying to lift everything with so much speed and people did not know how to spot me. There are so many ways to lift and I love it. I hope you make more videos Clarence, love the discussions.
As a powerlifter who went into weightlifting, Clarence made a very accurate video on this subject. Almost every topic he brought up I experienced to some degree. I really appreciate how objective he was about this.
Very convincing and interesting analysis. I wouldn’t say you are to hard on powerlifters. Both are barbell sports, but completely different and attract different people. I know from weightlifters who entered a powerlifting meet and were so exhausted that they sweared to never do it again while others loved it and switched because they couldn’t stand the stress anymore of putting huge weights over head in a movement where so much could go wrong.
It sure was a kick in the nuts going from a 240kg back squat back to a bar but I figured it would be cool to hit a 100kg snatch once in my life. I've found that everything you said was true. Definitely true that very little effort is needed to maintain appropriate strength levels, maybe just 7-10 heavy triples a week done after the mobility, sitting in a squat, snatch variations and overhead squats which I do until I feel that form has broken down past the point of effective training. I've always done clean grip front squats but found that I still had a ton of mobility work for the shoulders to catch. Two months in and my max is still around the same weight as what I can do for 5 ~ 70kg but that's weighing in at 140kg.
Ex powerlifter that converted to weightlifting in the last 9 months, went through a lot of these issues at first but now I'm starting to get around the 140kg C&J and the 110kg snatch, it's been a fun process, I have stopped doing deadlifts and besides one 12 week block with high bar squats, have focused on front squats only and it's actually very fun working on the technique and mobility now.
Nice to see the fake merc/fake coach get a mention. He was unable to make weight for "worlds" so he blamed it on black mold in his section 8 rental lol that's our boi hemmingway
Spot on. I’ve been weightlifting almost 4 years now after almost 20 powerlifting, and you’ve nailed every major problem I continue to face. My overhead position and ability to get there with a snatch is still terrible, and the deadlifting mechanics took forever to unlearn. This is the first year I haven’t felt majorly limited, so patience is huge. That said, weightlifting is wayyyy cooler 😂
Nice! I got into weightlifting this september and having to unlearn the rounded back with the uneven shoulder blades from mixed grip deadlifts is just so hard. How'd you unlearn the rounded back? I feel like ive tried everything but it feels like its gonna take years to fix it.
Dude, weightlifting is SO frikkin cool. I wish gyms around me had some Olympic style lifters attending. Unfortunately, I live in a big city, and almost no one over here does it. A lot of powerlifters that don’t do more than low bar back squats and bench press.
@@kugelschreiber5678 Catalyst athletics best youtube channel and website for learning olympic weightlifting is what I found. Every single problem that you got has been solved there and greg everret (the coach) knows basically everything. You should also try looking up clarence kennedy's guide to the snatch and just practice each movement and obtain the mobility with a pvc pipe (you can literally do it all at home too btw) and also buy some olympic weightlifting shoes. So just obtain the mobility, learn the movement and spend like 1 month just slowly learning the movement bit by bit
Would you say that a strict standing OHP from the collarbones is better for weightlifting, than one that starts a little higher but below chin level? I don’t do too much bar lowering, but I’m unable to start my presses at the collarbone level (if I did my elbows would be behind the barbell), but would that matter if I wanted to get into weightlifting, I lock them out behind my neck.
I recently started incorporating power cleans and hang cleans into my routine. I dont plan on doing Olympic weightlifting, but I was tired of feeling slow and unathletic with my current powerlifting style training, and thought more power and speed would really help, especially since I plan on doing some type of sport after college, whether it be mma or strongman. It’s Definitely been humbling. I thought for sure with my good strength base It would be easy- instead it’s taken me almost 3 months of consistent training to reach a measly 100kg power clean at a bodyweight of just over 90kg.The thing is that’s only half of my best back squat and not even half of my deadlift pr. It’s frustrating but rewarding at the same time. I’ve noticed my speed on the back squat and deadlift has improved tremendously already, and my hip mobility is leagues ahead of where it used to be. I’m hoping that by this time next year, I can look back and fondly remember struggling with 100kilos while I’m repping out 140kg :).
I don’t think you’re being too hard on us powerlifters. It’s a totally different art form, and I appreciate your frank assessment. As someone who might soon experiment with weightlifting, it’s a welcome admonition.
I did weightlifting for a couple years before getting into bodybuilding and now powerlifting focus. A few months ago I did some cleans just for fun and hit a PR, but my front rack was bad and ended up causing my elbow tendinopathy to flare up lol. I didn't realize how I'd basically lost my front rack. I've added at least 1" to my arms and 3" to my chest since I did weightlifting, so getting into overhead position is hard. When I do OHP, I do focus on strong lockout, so my jerk positioning is rather OK, though I can't overhead squat at all right now. I'm getting older to get back into weightlifting and the ego aspect makes it hard for me to take the leap. Not sure if I want to dedicate months to years regaining my positioning when I find bodybuilding and powerlifting a lot more joint friendly. Plus, it took me a long time to gain this much mass. Maybe I could keep a lot of it, but know I'd be fighting a positioning battle for snatch.
Hey man! Thanks for the video. A question, why is the higher frequency training necessary for weighlifters, as opposed to powerlifters? What are the differentiating factors? And how does that affect recovery comparatively? Cheers mate
What workouts would you suggest for someone who wants to get into olympic weightlifting? Because I can barely snatch a 45 lbs bar, and have to resort to using a 35 lbs bar instead, and was wondering lifts could help me increase my snatch.
Do you think OLY weight lifting exercises could be used as accessory movements for powerlifting? Like the time under tension in a ATG clean benefiting your overall back squat numbers? I enjoy training both but I’m definitely more on the side of powerlifting.
Yes they could help, but for the literal opposite reason of time under tension - explosive power and speed. That's the reason why elite athletes in various power/speed-based sports are just insanely strong for their bodyweights when they do strength lifts.
heres a quick training exemplar used for college/university athletes -Primary Exercise Pause Back Squat (10 sets of three) -Auxilliary Exercise Clean + Front Squat + Jerk (10 sets) -Accessory Exercise Bulgarian Squat (3 sets of 10 reps) this can be used for with snatch complexes & multiple other variations just need be keep a REAL constant ... 90 reps in 45 minutes to an hour max youre welcome
will you upload training videos again ? would love to see some raw squat footage from recent trainings. Also has anyone tried the 10 week squat program and let me know how it went ?
the best thing is that clip was from his fake weights arc, where he claimed to press 225 or something close to it a month after pressing 165x3 at a commercial gym
@@hamm0155 Jason paid some guy online to post a video of a story about how he was a mercenary with him (Jason). He said they all called Jason "Hemmingway". Turned out the guy was just a friend of Blaha's meth addicted stripper girlfriend.
This is a great video to learn about lifting. I understand, any type of movement in weightlifting takes years to learn and build techniques and strength.
I used to mess around with weightlifting as a weak powerlifter. Since I've had some lower back pain I can't do anything with impact like jumping, cleaning or snatching. But SBD are still fine. I hope one day I fully recover and I can get back into giving it a good go.
After a decade of training I view resistance training like a buffet of sorts. I pick and choose what i like and interests me from calisthenics, bodybuilding, powerlifting and weightlifting as i believe when looking at one's performance holistically you cannot forego either of them. There is no harm in trying out something new but i don't believe it is necessary to abandon the rest. However if you have a goal of getting better at one specific thing or competing in a sport then by all means focus on what is important.
That's a nice viewpoint to have. Everyone is so quick to find their tribe and swear by their respective type of training but I also enjoy the freedom of using pieces of various training styles.
This is somewhat my own viewpoint aswell. A secondary advantage of this is that this applies your strength better in the world outside of sports. When you go through life you dont just lift your own body, you dont just do explosive lifts from ground to above your head, you dont just do slow and heavy lifts and your looks do certainly matter. You have use for all of it, sometimes you need to pull your body up, sometimes you need to lift a fridge or couch or carry heavy stuff, sometimes you need to throw things, and sometimes you need to look good. It also good to add in cardio and gymnastics as endurance/running aswell as flexibility and mobility are also relevant to life. So if you arent in a sport that requires just one of these things then it is very much in your own best interests to commit some time to all of these things, and you dont need to do all of these things every day. You also dont need to be a master at all of this though, you just need to get some level of proficiency.
@@Feedsyourminds dont forget exercises outside of strength too. Too many lifters dont do specific cardio training especially the steady state endurance based. For me I love lifting and but I also enjoy running for miles outside 5 AM in the morning more. Also dont forget mobility exercises like yoga too which can overall help your overall fitness.
Weightlifting is such a bourgeois sport. Hours up on Hours of plastic pipe- smoking practice. Specialty bar, bumper weights, Specialty flooring platforms, etc etc. Powerlifting on the other hand, a month or two of learning the techniques and development of good form, a bar, a bench and a cheap rack. That's all you are in business. Don't need to lift 3 hours a day 6 days a week. One can sufficiently become stronger with only 2 day sessions per week of only 45 to 60 minutes at a session in Powerlifting. Powerlifting is viable for the common working man with a 40 hours a week working schedule. Weightlifting on the other hand, good luck, the damn sport is your full time occupation.
Thats why weightlifting is an olympic sport and powerlifting is a hot garbage dump, coming from a powerlifter. There a re chinese kids training forms blindfolded this techniques with thousand year schools. Powerlifting is more suited for me personally. I just wanna have fun
you just need a pair of shoes and find a respectable gym - if you still manage to find excuses its on you. Anyone that is healthy can drop by an hour everyday of the week to be in shape & i personally experienced over time that olympic weightlifting variations are way easier to recover from than the sluggish "powerlifting" lifts.
Clarence, you mention that there's no point in doing strength exercises while you're starting to learn Olympic lifting. I am very skinny, does it make sense to do hypertrophy exercises at the start of Olympic lifting and then in the long run as part of my training as well? Or it's just going to cause me problems. Great video .
He made some general guidelines not everyone falls under the same principles. But yeah what Clarence means is generally you need to see how well you move with light weights and build that memory of clean and jerk and the snatch. Of course squats are necessary with correct technique. All this is coming from a dude that was lanky in thr past having a height of 188 cms.
Good video. I thinkt he mobility demands of weightlifting are so much higher than PL - especially in the shoulders. When I tried weightlifting, I was very frustrated because it felt like the weights (empty bar, etc) were too light for me to "feel" the movement. Like, there's not enough weight to feel the tension in the right places, it seemed. At light weight, I ended up just using strength to manipulate the bar path with strength, instead of technique. But I agree that it's bad and dangerous to jump in weight from the start. Any remedy for this? Or just patience and unlearning in the beginning?
@8:32 is a good point but it would be probably wiser to MAINTAIN strength when learning olympic lifting since maintaining doesn't take a lot time or effort (1 moderately hard set per exercise goes a long way).
I like Clarence's new approach to this channel. He just pops up every now and then to talk about whatever it's on his mind. And we all just sit down in a circle on the floor and listen.
I'm curious if it's possible to integrate weightlifting and a powerlifting/bodybuilding workout. I've started weightlifting and I agree with the need for frequency. But I'm not ready to give up 5 times a week powerlifting as I've recently gotten past a plateau and want to see how far I can push.
Try finding some supertotal programs. The goal is the max amount in a year from both sports. A lot train one of the two as the main focus and the other as technique accessory or to at least keep the specific strength
This is all so true😢. Learning the clean and snatch pull are sooooooo different from a deadlift! Plus explosiveness isn't there at all, even though you would think there would be a transfer of strength from squats to jumping..... not so much🤣
I feel this video. I started PL one year ago for fun and bc of Clarence's video. Now I'm transitioning into WL without any coach, and keep doing PL exercices... It make really sense that keep grinding for SBD RP doesnt make sense meanwhile I'm not abble do to a proper snatch 🤡
When you say that you need to train quite often to progress with weightlifting I'd assume this also applies to athletes doing weightlifting on the side to supplement their sport. Is there anyway for athletes to progress with weightlifting beyond a certain point if they can't train in that frequently.
So.. I just bought an olympic bar and a couple of plates. Coming from kettlebell sport. Have you seen issues with people coming from here, even though the movement patterns are similar?
I agree on some of the things,but you have to mention the need to practice snatches and cleans because those movements are ironically more skill based than conventional movements like deadlifts and squats.
Not sure about having a big deadlift not translating well into Olympic weightlifting, especially the clean and jerk part. Deadlift doesn't require you to get underneath the bar, yea, but the initial lifting aspect where you have to lift the bar from the ground? Even a 100kg clean is going to feel extremely heavy, if not impossible if your max deadlift is only 150 kg.
I've been powerlifting for 13 years. I've always found Olympic lifting super fascinating. I enjoy implementing snatch grip deadlifts and power snatches. I think they're great on developing power. Never had an ego issue since I am a coach and technique freak. I do empty bar up to 50-60 kg and have a great time using them as accessories in my training
Hey Clarence I am a rookie powerlifter atm at 19 years old, I really enjoy powerfliting and just getting strong but would u suggest I swap to weightlifting instead?
In my experience, the first 6-12 weeks of going from powerlifting to weightlifting isn't "fun" as it will take this amount of time to get the right shoulder positions, which is the biggest limiting factor IMO.
@@abdulrahmanalzahrani2072 I'd like to know too! I have a lot of experience doing squats, deadlifts and bench press already but am completely new to snatch.
Thank you Clarence. I’m having a hard time humbling myself while I train with a broomstick in my bedroom. I feel so silly knowing I can squat or overhead press impressive weight.
I generally do a little of everything. I do like 50% powerlifting 30% Cardio with 5-7 mile runs and around 20% of my workouts are similar to a crossfit Wod. I think I should move some weightlifting into that.
What if your a powerbuilder that squats ass to grass and has a strong front squat. I've always done full ass to grass front squats and back squats without belt and other lifter always say I have a Olympic style squat. I do high bar also. Atg high bar just feels better and look better hence why I do it. Plus it makes you stronger
Simply put, there's a huge skill component to weightlifting which often goes unnoticed since it involved a barbell and hence everyone assumes it's just strength based. If a powerlifter wants to transition to boxing, for example, they wouldn't be too surprised at the need to practice the punching technique for months and even years, but with a barbell, even though the situation is not that dissimilar, it seems counter-intuitive.
One point you forgot to add is the increased chance of injury due to a good strength to bad technique ratio. I have seen many powerlifters get injured within just the first few months of weightlifting. It kind of goes along with the ego.
Power lifters don't suck at weightlifting, because olympic weightlifting isn't the only kind of weightlifting out there. Sure, power lifters may suck at olympic weightlifting -- at first-- but they're still very good at weight lifting overall. Olympic weightlifting is very extremely technical, it's more than developing strength, as you said, it's an entire skillset and mode of moving. I do agree with everything you said overall but the way you phrase it sounds snobby and "gatekeepy" around the general term weightlifting.
I get ya, but Olympic weightlifting is referred to as weight lifting. He's not using it as a general term that encompasses any type of weight training. He means just Olympic style lifts. Because that's what he is and does.
i teach guitar for a living, and this reminds me of when my intermediate/advanced electric guitar students want to try classical guitar. you have to pretend like you've never touched a guitar before in your life, and build from the beginning.
cool video.
The trick to being good at guitar is having 50 fingers. Don’t lie to me
@ladgend productions they’re both cool, but there is some asymmetric intelligibility between the two styles. Just like how a weightlifter would almost certainly do better in a powerlifting meet than a powerlifter would do in a weightlifting meet, the same generally holds true when comparing classical guitar to electric. There’s just another level of technical proficiency that’s required of both weightlifting and classical guitar.
That’s not to say that powerlifting or electric guitar aren’t hard or impressive, it’s just that the skills needed to be successful at weightlifting and classical guitar transfer better than they would the other way around.
@@aclouti6 That's completely false. Electric guitar can be just as hard or harder than typical classical guitar. Let a random classical guitarist try to play Frank Gambale style picking. He would need years to develop the technique, most likely will never reach it.
@@leq1414 I never said it couldn’t be as hard, I said that there’s asymmetric intelligibility. Don’t put words in my mouth.
now do classical gas
I've always found it pretty ironic that powerlifting doesn't rely on power at all while power is everything in weightlifting. Honestly powerlifting and weightlifting should switch names.
I use WLing as a way to build my power ironically. If you dont want to grind a weight up you need to move quick and the clean has always been the best way for me to work on that.
Accurate, Power relates to speed over time, while powerlifters often grind out movements which is drawing upon strength more than power.
As someone training for powerlifting, I couldn’t agree more
It's all about form
Look up the definition for power. Seems pretty relevant to powerlifting.
The front rack kid is insanely strong
By the time he’s FrontRackMan he may even surpass Clarence himself!
which one is he
@@nonduality1 3:23
I think the most fun part about implementing WL into my PL program is starting at step 1. Years into powerlifting, you sometimes get tired of doing the same heavy work on the same movements/variations. Being able to just take a bar and learn the snatch is oddly enjoyable
What are your numbers with powerlifting?
@@brucepower3429 currently (in pounds) S: 562, B: 391, D: 625. BW goes between 258-270
@@rdog657 that's awesome man and i'm not gonna lie weightlifting learned me about stretching again i totally lost my mobility because of PL never saw any reason to stretch when i did PL.
@@brucepower3429 I’ve seen so many older lifters suffer from issues like knee and elbow joint mobility. I completely agree w you, I love being able to practice my front rack position and relearning that mobility
athleticism and playing a sport is more fun than powerlifting and weightlifting
lmfao I lost it at "that's our boy hemingway"
Poster child checking in here. 700lbs + squat and deadlift, 500lbs+ bench, 550lbs front squat, 350lbs strict OHP (which is als0 15lbs more than my best push press because I never really did those)... couldn't power clean 300lbs to save my life.
Explosive power is genetic. The vertical jump is a good test to see how good you'll be at olympic weightlifting.
@@tv26889 what is your vertical jump tony
@@Sam-uk4mb Never got it tested TBH. A vertical of 35 inches and higher would be someone who would be good at the olympic lifts.
@@tv26889 Strength is genetic as well. Everything is genetic. But judging your genetic without years of training is stupid. Someone could be very responsive to training stimulus and therefore be genetically gifted.
@@MrOpticBlade We were talking about Explosive power and it doesn't improve that much. You don't go from a 30 inch vertical to a 38 inch vertical from training and even drugs.
The person in the original comment had elite numbers on their lifts but couldn't clean 300 pounds. That's someone who isn't very explosive. I would wager their vertical is around 25.
You and Dimitry are my favorite weightlifters, I am almost 60 and just started weightlifting. Don’t mind if I ever CJ 100 K I love the process and will do until my passing…..wished I had known this as a kid
It’s only every ‘you vs you’ for all of us - just be patient and enjoy the journey brother. Good luck
Keep it going
What's your clean and jerk atm and how long since you started, just curious?
@@ronnieplumper6047 thank you
@@saint5382 thank you
Man this video came right on time Clarence. Just transitioned from Powerlifting to Weightlifting a month ago and oh boy. Just everything you have mentioned is 100% true from A-Z. Thanks man.
As someone with a more bodybuilding-based training background, this video really spoke a lot to me. I've been learning the snatch technique for the past few months (first with an old 10 kg practice bar, then with a proper olympic bar) and I'm getting more and more confident, stable and stronger in the positions. My current Snatch PR is 37.5 Kg for a triple with arguably decent technique. (if I can say so myself, been talking to a few people in olympic weightlifting gyms and they say it looks good, i just need to become faster in the turnover). Of course, that isn't much at all but once I nail the technique even more I'm sure it's gonna go up. You are a great inspiration Clarence, never change dude.
xqcL u got this my friend we are all in this together
Do you know what are your prs on deadlifting/squat/ overhead press? Just to understand the proportion because I don't really know what I can snatch and clean with my actual force
You got this. Just remember to not use your arms in thr first pull of either the snatch or the clean. This is most often the issue bodybuilding guya have.
hey frend
I am very skinny, does it make sense to do hypertrophy exercises at the start of Olympic lifting and then in the long run as part of my training as well? Or it's just going to cause me problems.
Never thought I'd see Blahino in a Clarence video.
@@cold_servo_pie blaha has no program. That 5x5 program had been around for decades before stroke mouth surfaced , all he did was add curls to it and then claim it as his own program . As with everything else , where you find blaha you will find dishonesty
Tricker and former powerlifter here. You inspired me to move to olympic lifts, and way more squatting as a result. It really helps my knees when training tricks and feels like i could progress at oly lifts for years to come. Thanks!
I can never miss a Clarence upload. Love this guy
Good for you
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As someone who focused on powerlifting before eventually making the complete switch, here are my learnings:
- being too strong meant on most movements my strength became a crutch that did not transfer when upping the weights
- being used to lock out all joints means I have to untrain my body reflex and stay mobile and elastic during the first pull
- not really needing to have mobility means I have to stretch all the time to make up for the time I was not
Clarence I'm soo happy you're posting more than you usually do, really happy to see your content.
I've been training only in weightlifting for 2 years now. I'm now going to some powerlifting and other muscles I do not train much to help balance out everything. Every exercise my traps were unconsciously helping out pointed by others. I also was trying to lift everything with so much speed and people did not know how to spot me. There are so many ways to lift and I love it. I hope you make more videos Clarence, love the discussions.
As a powerlifter who went into weightlifting, Clarence made a very accurate video on this subject. Almost every topic he brought up I experienced to some degree. I really appreciate how objective he was about this.
Very convincing and interesting analysis. I wouldn’t say you are to hard on powerlifters. Both are barbell sports, but completely different and attract different people. I know from weightlifters who entered a powerlifting meet and were so exhausted that they sweared to never do it again while others loved it and switched because they couldn’t stand the stress anymore of putting huge weights over head in a movement where so much could go wrong.
It sure was a kick in the nuts going from a 240kg back squat back to a bar but I figured it would be cool to hit a 100kg snatch once in my life. I've found that everything you said was true. Definitely true that very little effort is needed to maintain appropriate strength levels, maybe just 7-10 heavy triples a week done after the mobility, sitting in a squat, snatch variations and overhead squats which I do until I feel that form has broken down past the point of effective training. I've always done clean grip front squats but found that I still had a ton of mobility work for the shoulders to catch. Two months in and my max is still around the same weight as what I can do for 5 ~ 70kg but that's weighing in at 140kg.
Ex powerlifter that converted to weightlifting in the last 9 months, went through a lot of these issues at first but now I'm starting to get around the 140kg C&J and the 110kg snatch, it's been a fun process, I have stopped doing deadlifts and besides one 12 week block with high bar squats, have focused on front squats only and it's actually very fun working on the technique and mobility now.
Nice to see the fake merc/fake coach get a mention. He was unable to make weight for "worlds" so he blamed it on black mold in his section 8 rental lol that's our boi hemmingway
Spot on. I’ve been weightlifting almost 4 years now after almost 20 powerlifting, and you’ve nailed every major problem I continue to face. My overhead position and ability to get there with a snatch is still terrible, and the deadlifting mechanics took forever to unlearn. This is the first year I haven’t felt majorly limited, so patience is huge. That said, weightlifting is wayyyy cooler 😂
Nice! I got into weightlifting this september and having to unlearn the rounded back with the uneven shoulder blades from mixed grip deadlifts is just so hard. How'd you unlearn the rounded back? I feel like ive tried everything but it feels like its gonna take years to fix it.
@@tasbirmiah5247 keep practicing pulls with weight that’s light enough to stop you from going into bad habits 👍
Dude, weightlifting is SO frikkin cool. I wish gyms around me had some Olympic style lifters attending. Unfortunately, I live in a big city, and almost no one over here does it. A lot of powerlifters that don’t do more than low bar back squats and bench press.
@@kugelschreiber5678 you should start and be that weightlifter in your gym
@@kugelschreiber5678 Catalyst athletics best youtube channel and website for learning olympic weightlifting is what I found. Every single problem that you got has been solved there and greg everret (the coach) knows basically everything. You should also try looking up clarence kennedy's guide to the snatch and just practice each movement and obtain the mobility with a pvc pipe (you can literally do it all at home too btw) and also buy some olympic weightlifting shoes. So just obtain the mobility, learn the movement and spend like 1 month just slowly learning the movement bit by bit
the voice of the eternal spirit blessing us with more weightlifting knowledge
I love the topics you discussed in these last 3 videos
Would you say that a strict standing OHP from the collarbones is better for weightlifting, than one that starts a little higher but below chin level? I don’t do too much bar lowering, but I’m unable to start my presses at the collarbone level (if I did my elbows would be behind the barbell), but would that matter if I wanted to get into weightlifting, I lock them out behind my neck.
I recently started incorporating power cleans and hang cleans into my routine. I dont plan on doing Olympic weightlifting, but I was tired of feeling slow and unathletic with my current powerlifting style training, and thought more power and speed would really help, especially since I plan on doing some type of sport after college, whether it be mma or strongman. It’s Definitely been humbling. I thought for sure with my good strength base It would be easy- instead it’s taken me almost 3 months of consistent training to reach a measly 100kg power clean at a bodyweight of just over 90kg.The thing is that’s only half of my best back squat and not even half of my deadlift pr. It’s frustrating but rewarding at the same time. I’ve noticed my speed on the back squat and deadlift has improved tremendously already, and my hip mobility is leagues ahead of where it used to be. I’m hoping that by this time next year, I can look back and fondly remember struggling with 100kilos while I’m repping out 140kg :).
I don’t think you’re being too hard on us powerlifters. It’s a totally different art form, and I appreciate your frank assessment. As someone who might soon experiment with weightlifting, it’s a welcome admonition.
I did weightlifting for a couple years before getting into bodybuilding and now powerlifting focus. A few months ago I did some cleans just for fun and hit a PR, but my front rack was bad and ended up causing my elbow tendinopathy to flare up lol. I didn't realize how I'd basically lost my front rack. I've added at least 1" to my arms and 3" to my chest since I did weightlifting, so getting into overhead position is hard. When I do OHP, I do focus on strong lockout, so my jerk positioning is rather OK, though I can't overhead squat at all right now.
I'm getting older to get back into weightlifting and the ego aspect makes it hard for me to take the leap. Not sure if I want to dedicate months to years regaining my positioning when I find bodybuilding and powerlifting a lot more joint friendly. Plus, it took me a long time to gain this much mass. Maybe I could keep a lot of it, but know I'd be fighting a positioning battle for snatch.
Hey man! Thanks for the video. A question, why is the higher frequency training necessary for weighlifters, as opposed to powerlifters? What are the differentiating factors? And how does that affect recovery comparatively? Cheers mate
What workouts would you suggest for someone who wants to get into olympic weightlifting? Because I can barely snatch a 45 lbs bar, and have to resort to using a 35 lbs bar instead, and was wondering lifts could help me increase my snatch.
cool to see your programs not so ridiculously priced. definitely gonna check them out.
Thanks Clarence. Absolutely love this kind of content... This video give me a ton of knowledge about weightlifting... 😆🤩
Do you think OLY weight lifting exercises could be used as accessory movements for powerlifting? Like the time under tension in a ATG clean benefiting your overall back squat numbers? I enjoy training both but I’m definitely more on the side of powerlifting.
Yes they could help, but for the literal opposite reason of time under tension - explosive power and speed. That's the reason why elite athletes in various power/speed-based sports are just insanely strong for their bodyweights when they do strength lifts.
heres a quick training exemplar used for college/university athletes
-Primary Exercise
Pause Back Squat (10 sets of three)
-Auxilliary Exercise
Clean + Front Squat + Jerk (10 sets)
-Accessory Exercise
Bulgarian Squat (3 sets of 10 reps)
this can be used for with snatch complexes & multiple other variations
just need be keep a REAL constant ...
90 reps in 45 minutes to an hour max
youre welcome
Thanks for the video, it was illuminating.
Hello Clarice, do you also sell your stack along with the programs?
will you upload training videos again ? would love to see some raw squat footage from recent trainings. Also has anyone tried the 10 week squat program and let me know how it went ?
cheeky little bloho reference was a sight to behold
glad u included hemingways OHP. he's a world class elite lifter
😂 why does he call blaha hemmingway?
@@patale1640 see natural hypertrophys fake merc character study for context
So that was Blaha, right? I would like to hear the Hemingway story, with which I am not familiar.
the best thing is that clip was from his fake weights arc, where he claimed to press 225 or something close to it a month after pressing 165x3 at a commercial gym
@@hamm0155 Jason paid some guy online to post a video of a story about how he was a mercenary with him (Jason). He said they all called Jason "Hemmingway". Turned out the guy was just a friend of Blaha's meth addicted stripper girlfriend.
This is a great video to learn about lifting. I understand, any type of movement in weightlifting takes years to learn and build techniques and strength.
I used to mess around with weightlifting as a weak powerlifter. Since I've had some lower back pain I can't do anything with impact like jumping, cleaning or snatching. But SBD are still fine. I hope one day I fully recover and I can get back into giving it a good go.
After a decade of training I view resistance training like a buffet of sorts. I pick and choose what i like and interests me from calisthenics, bodybuilding, powerlifting and weightlifting as i believe when looking at one's performance holistically you cannot forego either of them. There is no harm in trying out something new but i don't believe it is necessary to abandon the rest. However if you have a goal of getting better at one specific thing or competing in a sport then by all means focus on what is important.
That's a nice viewpoint to have. Everyone is so quick to find their tribe and swear by their respective type of training but I also enjoy the freedom of using pieces of various training styles.
This is somewhat my own viewpoint aswell. A secondary advantage of this is that this applies your strength better in the world outside of sports. When you go through life you dont just lift your own body, you dont just do explosive lifts from ground to above your head, you dont just do slow and heavy lifts and your looks do certainly matter. You have use for all of it, sometimes you need to pull your body up, sometimes you need to lift a fridge or couch or carry heavy stuff, sometimes you need to throw things, and sometimes you need to look good.
It also good to add in cardio and gymnastics as endurance/running aswell as flexibility and mobility are also relevant to life. So if you arent in a sport that requires just one of these things then it is very much in your own best interests to commit some time to all of these things, and you dont need to do all of these things every day. You also dont need to be a master at all of this though, you just need to get some level of proficiency.
@@andrek6920 This is why I enjoy playing rugby. It gets you using your strength in an explosive way
@@Feedsyourminds dont forget exercises outside of strength too. Too many lifters dont do specific cardio training especially the steady state endurance based. For me I love lifting and but I also enjoy running for miles outside 5 AM in the morning more. Also dont forget mobility exercises like yoga too which can overall help your overall fitness.
"That's our boy hemingway" was very cheeky 😂😂😂
My back-squat took a dive but my Snatch/ C&J is improving. Feels good!
It is great you are publicing this great stuff Clarence. I was squatting today ATG 100 kg. :)
why proud of weak?
big
@wojfer87 kiedy jakiś materiał z treningu szefie?
@@Puss1man depending on bodyweight 100kg squat isn't weak. It may not be all that strong, but it is certainly not weak compared to the average male
@@Puss1man why you mad
Weightlifting is such a bourgeois sport. Hours up on Hours of plastic pipe- smoking practice. Specialty bar, bumper weights, Specialty flooring platforms, etc etc. Powerlifting on the other hand, a month or two of learning the techniques and development of good form, a bar, a bench and a cheap rack. That's all you are in business. Don't need to lift 3 hours a day 6 days a week. One can sufficiently become stronger with only 2 day sessions per week of only 45 to 60 minutes at a session in Powerlifting. Powerlifting is viable for the common working man with a 40 hours a week working schedule. Weightlifting on the other hand, good luck, the damn sport is your full time occupation.
You don't need to train 6 days a week for weightlifting either, you're not lu
True
@@MaRaX93 it's still a lot more time consuming
Thats why weightlifting is an olympic sport and powerlifting is a hot garbage dump, coming from a powerlifter. There a re chinese kids training forms blindfolded this techniques with thousand year schools. Powerlifting is more suited for me personally. I just wanna have fun
you just need a pair of shoes and find a respectable gym - if you still manage to find excuses its on you. Anyone that is healthy can drop by an hour everyday of the week to be in shape & i personally experienced over time that olympic weightlifting variations are way easier to recover from than the sluggish "powerlifting" lifts.
Clarence, you mention that there's no point in doing strength exercises while you're starting to learn Olympic lifting.
I am very skinny, does it make sense to do hypertrophy exercises at the start of Olympic lifting and then in the long run as part of my training as well? Or it's just going to cause me problems. Great video .
He made some general guidelines not everyone falls under the same principles. But yeah what Clarence means is generally you need to see how well you move with light weights and build that memory of clean and jerk and the snatch. Of course squats are necessary with correct technique. All this is coming from a dude that was lanky in thr past having a height of 188 cms.
1:46 Non negotiable!!!
That’s our boy Hemingway!
Good video. I thinkt he mobility demands of weightlifting are so much higher than PL - especially in the shoulders.
When I tried weightlifting, I was very frustrated because it felt like the weights (empty bar, etc) were too light for me to "feel" the movement. Like, there's not enough weight to feel the tension in the right places, it seemed. At light weight, I ended up just using strength to manipulate the bar path with strength, instead of technique. But I agree that it's bad and dangerous to jump in weight from the start. Any remedy for this? Or just patience and unlearning in the beginning?
The explosiveness of Olympic weightlifting transfers really well to sprinting and track cycling, in a way powerlifting doesn’t.
@8:32 is a good point but it would be probably wiser to MAINTAIN strength when learning olympic lifting since maintaining doesn't take a lot time or effort (1 moderately hard set per exercise goes a long way).
Our boy Hemmingway!
clarence what are your thoughts on
whether gatorade should be thicker
I like Clarence's new approach to this channel. He just pops up every now and then to talk about whatever it's on his mind. And we all just sit down in a circle on the floor and listen.
1:42 what a callback! Totally forgot about our boy Hemingway.
I'm curious if it's possible to integrate weightlifting and a powerlifting/bodybuilding workout. I've started weightlifting and I agree with the need for frequency. But I'm not ready to give up 5 times a week powerlifting as I've recently gotten past a plateau and want to see how far I can push.
Try finding some supertotal programs. The goal is the max amount in a year from both sports. A lot train one of the two as the main focus and the other as technique accessory or to at least keep the specific strength
Good recommendations whether starting out or getting back in after an absence from it. Zack says it well too: "low expectations but high standards"
This is all so true😢. Learning the clean and snatch pull are sooooooo different from a deadlift! Plus explosiveness isn't there at all, even though you would think there would be a transfer of strength from squats to jumping..... not so much🤣
I feel this video. I started PL one year ago for fun and bc of Clarence's video. Now I'm transitioning into WL without any coach, and keep doing PL exercices... It make really sense that keep grinding for SBD RP doesnt make sense meanwhile I'm not abble do to a proper snatch 🤡
When you say that you need to train quite often to progress with weightlifting I'd assume this also applies to athletes doing weightlifting on the side to supplement their sport. Is there anyway for athletes to progress with weightlifting beyond a certain point if they can't train in that frequently.
You right the mobility in the front rack is my biggest flaw in the front squat
So.. I just bought an olympic bar and a couple of plates. Coming from kettlebell sport. Have you seen issues with people coming from here, even though the movement patterns are similar?
Blahino coming after you now Clarence0, you remember the powder wars!
I agree on some of the things,but you have to mention the need to practice snatches and cleans because those movements are ironically more skill based than conventional movements like deadlifts and squats.
Depends if they hit legs maybe they can clean and jerk.
As for snatch crazy movement pattern and shoulder strength
Great video Clarence!
Bro spit facts in our minds again
I wish he keep posting like old days 🥲
HOW DID YOU GET FOOTAGE OF HEMMINGWAY?
Not sure about having a big deadlift not translating well into Olympic weightlifting, especially the clean and jerk part. Deadlift doesn't require you to get underneath the bar, yea, but the initial lifting aspect where you have to lift the bar from the ground?
Even a 100kg clean is going to feel extremely heavy, if not impossible if your max deadlift is only 150 kg.
Ha! The pvc pipe clip is from Mako in Pensacola where I used to go for a few months!
I've been powerlifting for 13 years. I've always found Olympic lifting super fascinating. I enjoy implementing snatch grip deadlifts and power snatches. I think they're great on developing power. Never had an ego issue since I am a coach and technique freak. I do empty bar up to 50-60 kg and have a great time using them as accessories in my training
Imma knock you out Terry! IAM the best muay Thai champion!
Just kidding!you go king 👑
1:47 the merc blessed us with his press LOL
Putting Russell Orhii on blast 🤣
Hey Clarence I am a rookie powerlifter atm at 19 years old, I really enjoy powerfliting and just getting strong but would u suggest I swap to weightlifting instead?
practice what you want, one is not better than the other.
@pablo2004 dl 200kg in 2 years 😂
These videos clarence be dropping are fuggen quality!
Thank for education Clarence.
how do I transition from ow2 diva main to weightlifting?
Clarence, please could we get a Beginner Weightlifting program?
Am I hearing this wrong or is By Your Side from the Omori OST playing in the background
Damn didn't think Blaha would make an appearance LOL
In my experience, the first 6-12 weeks of going from powerlifting to weightlifting isn't "fun" as it will take this amount of time to get the right shoulder positions, which is the biggest limiting factor IMO.
Totally spot on. (proceeds to watch all of Clarence's squat videos to get amped up for another 1rm squat session)
Is that clip of blowhole from before or after he killed his dog ?
Clarence can you make a climbing video? With for example Magnus mitbo?
I like how the background pic is the pathways from Attack on Titan
I just started powerlifting 2 months ago and i know at some point i will try weight lifting ! (even if my ankle mobility is terrible for wl)
Lifting programs on my website: weightliftingfix.com/
Is there a beginner weightlifting program?
@@abdulrahmanalzahrani2072 I'd like to know too! I have a lot of experience doing squats, deadlifts and bench press already but am completely new to snatch.
@@abdulrahmanalzahrani2072 Yep!
@@clarence0 where
@@abdulrahmanalzahrani2072 Click the link on the comment you replied to
Thank you Clarence. I’m having a hard time humbling myself while I train with a broomstick in my bedroom. I feel so silly knowing I can squat or overhead press impressive weight.
Clarence makes video. I watch. No hesitation.
Love to see our boy hemingway!
Thanks Clar!!
I generally do a little of everything. I do like 50% powerlifting 30% Cardio with 5-7 mile runs and around 20% of my workouts are similar to a crossfit Wod. I think I should move some weightlifting into that.
What if your a powerbuilder that squats ass to grass and has a strong front squat. I've always done full ass to grass front squats and back squats without belt and other lifter always say I have a Olympic style squat. I do high bar also. Atg high bar just feels better and look better hence why I do it. Plus it makes you stronger
Simply put, there's a huge skill component to weightlifting which often goes unnoticed since it involved a barbell and hence everyone assumes it's just strength based. If a powerlifter wants to transition to boxing, for example, they wouldn't be too surprised at the need to practice the punching technique for months and even years, but with a barbell, even though the situation is not that dissimilar, it seems counter-intuitive.
Interesting... I love front squats and have really wanted to try learning clean and jerk but I always end up doing muscle snatches lol
Thanks to Clear an Clarence
What if your goal is to maximize your athleticism? Which would you choose?
How about supertotal training with a powerlifting background?
One point you forgot to add is the increased chance of injury due to a good strength to bad technique ratio. I have seen many powerlifters get injured within just the first few months of weightlifting. It kind of goes along with the ego.
Ronnie Coleman’s 800 lbs “squat” which did not even go to parallel.
Power lifters don't suck at weightlifting, because olympic weightlifting isn't the only kind of weightlifting out there. Sure, power lifters may suck at olympic weightlifting -- at first-- but they're still very good at weight lifting overall. Olympic weightlifting is very extremely technical, it's more than developing strength, as you said, it's an entire skillset and mode of moving. I do agree with everything you said overall but the way you phrase it sounds snobby and "gatekeepy" around the general term weightlifting.
I get ya, but Olympic weightlifting is referred to as weight lifting. He's not using it as a general term that encompasses any type of weight training. He means just Olympic style lifts. Because that's what he is and does.
Was that the aot coordinate i saw?
Front rack kid sighted !