How to Spot a Fake Natty (in Weightlifting and Powerlifting)
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Definitely get you test levels checked in your late 20s, or at least by 30. I'm 32 and mine is well below normal. My NP said it probably started dropping in my 20s.
I think its usefull if one is doping
Thanks Clarence. I didnt know about the 10% rule, its an easy rule of thumb that can show me what is realistic. Btw thanks I became vegan after seeing your content. Cheers
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"are you natty?"
"no"
to this day the most based answer to ever be uttered in YT Fitness
The most refreshing answer by any fitness channel ever. Most dance around the question even if they don’t outright claim natural. Many give drawn out explanations for why they are/aren’t natural. The simple “no” gives no nuanced explanation or justification. Just the truth.
what if ur natty and u lie about being fake natty what happens then will ppl respect u more
@@coachingconfidant2785 whatre u talking bout, you can't be a fake natty if you're natural.
@@anotherhairlessapewithanop7455 nobody knows ur natty except you. Im saying that a natty claims their taking steroids to boost their rep...are you slow?
@@coachingconfidant2785 why tf would a natty tell ppl they're on roids
As a fake natty I approve this message! 💪💉
Found the Fake Natty
@@kk0119yt he's not fake you're just jealous
Keep up the fake natiness
Eat clen, tren hard, anavar give up
This is actualy a paradox.. you cannot be openly fake natty, that just makes you .. not fake natty :D
I still need a video collab of Clarence going to Juji's new fancy gym with a gazillion machines, ending up only doing atg squats in a squat rack
I would love that
He mentioned in a patreon he plans on visiting juji again but nothing final yet
I like when Bugez went there and they ended up doing pullovers with a big natural stone lmao
yes please, this would be great
he's ridiculously strong on other lifts including bench press
Imagine if Kai had gone full gigachad and instead said only with grapefruits.
Underrated comment.
LMFAO
Clarence even called him “Mike O’Tren” lmao
No comparison to the King Clarence which is a honest atlethe. Mike O Tren isnt impressive, all this drugs injected, thats a sport for genderless who cant choose their hormone levels
Everything goes on hold when Clarence drops a video
Yeah because he uploads like once every six months lol 😂😢😂
Haha, true, I’m cooking dinner now but it’s gonna have to wait 😂
The people’s champ
Quite frankly
*PRIORITIES*
Clarence out here low-key teaching critical thinking. Great video.
I wish I had videos like this when I was in high school
I'm sorry to dissapoint but I'm afraid you're a victim of Sophistry here, rather than critical reasoning. Clarence unfortunately committed the Classic Logical FALLACY of "slippery slope" -----that drug test cannot be 100% accurate, that there are drug cheats doesnt mean drug test is NOTHING. It also doesn't mean degree of rampancy of PED use is uniform across sports. Moreoever, it doesn't mean the degree of PED use in sports governed by WADA is at all comparable to the degree of PED use in unregulated sports. In fact, I would argue athletes in 100m and Olympic lifting use FAR LESS than those in more unregulated sports such as strongman, powerlifting, crossfit, and bodybuilding. To lump them all together and claim Olympic lifting is no different from your next door 24 hour gym or internet fitness guru is just a Gross oversimplification...
I don't think anybody or WADA has ever claimed an athlete is completely NATURAL SIMPLY BECAUSE they pass its drug test. Their definition of "natural" is always qualified. Between an athlete who passes a drug test and an athelte who abuses PED as much as he wants there is a WORLD of difference. Clarence is knocking on an open door here
@@runhenry WADA don’t claim it. But the vast majority of the population think these guys are natural. They are portrayed as these superhero’s and given a bigger spotlight then “untested sports”. Meanwhile, they have a dirty little secret that they hide from the young, up and coming athletes by taking peds.
That’s the problem.
@@runhenry slippery slope is not a fallacy. it is proven in reality
Clarence with a sponsor? The time has come my brothers
Clarence living in Nottingham… 😮
@@scottessery100 oh shit i wonder what gym he goes to
Are you natty though?
Clarence: 'No'
Clarence the kind of guy who'd use a hook grip on a grocery store shopping cart.
Why wouldnt you do that? i hook grip anything i can hold
You not a true weightlifter if you dont hookgrip everything lol
Or to carry his shopping bag home.😁
Fake natty videos have been done to death . . . but if Clarence has a video on this topic, I'm in!
I love that you actually allowed your video to be sponsored!!! I hate that it’s largely necessary to be profitable but I’m glad there’s a legitimate way to promote you. You’re a great guy and deserve to profit from your fans. Cheers brother!
Highly informative and quality production. Felt like a short minute watching. Thanks
I want to get to the point one day someone questions my nattyness.
peak
Do you mean just anyone? Or specifically people who are into strength training themselves? Because it's pretty easy to get uninitiated non-lifters to think you're on steroids, just do a ton of fluff and pump upper body training for two or three years then wear a tight t-shirt everywhere you go lol.
@@yewtewbstew547it’s when you still look big in a baggy t shirt, that’s when you know you’re not natty
Big love clearance! Hope you are thriving and doing the best ever!
Simeon Panda and Mike O hearn must be sweating after this video came out 🤣
As a general rule of thumb: Bigger/stronger than you equals not natty, smaller/weaker than equals they natty and aren't training hard enough
where's the lie?
works well if you are Ronnie
Honestly I've met guys who's 185 pure shredded all inserts college football player all natural. It's hard as hell to tell because with his shirt off you'd think 1000% dude is on the juice. I even look like a juicer if you didn't know i use to be 308 now I'm 196 so I'm jacked asl but my friends joke about me using all the time
@@maltheri9833 how do you know he was natural ?
LMFAOOOOOOOO
Nice to see you making more educational videos Clarence. You are smart and well spoken, the structure of these will improve but the main thing is getting to know the guy who inspires many of us to be our best
Finally got around to watching the video, love the AOT tree you used for the background at the end 👍🏼
Cant believe its only 10mins I want an hour or more on this
Clarence I’m fairly new to your channel, but I’m blown away by your dedication and drive over all these years. I’m really interested in your own reasons for changing to non-natty and what your experience was like in making that switch, numbers, feelings ect. If this type of video exists, could someone point me to it, thank you.
Thanks clarence appreciate your insight on the matter, stay safe brother.
Clarence, your tricking looks like a video game. You are very gifted and hard working. I was watching T.V. when you started pistol squats, and I'm still watching it. PEDs just highlighted what was already there.
More vids like this from you would be dope. You do them very well
Glad to see you getting sponsored Clarence 🙂
clarence is back at it again making videos, finally
I can't believe how smooth was this promotion introduced into the video
Unrelated to video, but recently bought your squat program and seeing amazing results. Thanks Clarence!
How did it go? What did your squat go from and to?
@@Robdutton91 started at a tough 160kg atg and ended with a comfortable 180kg atg
Everyone is always talking about fake nattys, but no one ever talks about fake users! I am on gear guys! You gotta believe me!
Love that you used Ender Lillies as the background for the video!
I thought the exact same thing, wanted to comment on it and found your comment. It's just so pretty and beautiful
That's it, the name of the game, I've that one on my wishlist for so long.
One thing that i think that gets overlooked is the fact that you can still show benefits of PEDs even several years after taking them. I have a friend that would test natural bc he hasn't taken PEDs in 15 years but he can still bench 405 despite almost never working out...
Excellent point. The ability to synthesise protein and greater bone density will likely stay with most moderate users for the rest of their lives.
He could also be a little gifted lol.
Yeah testosterone in particular is basically putting your body through a second male puberty when used in above-natural doses, which obviously you can never really undo. You can allow the muscle mass to atrophy back down to your pre PED size and that will wipe out _most_ of the "unnatural" performance gains, but you're never going to reverse everything.
Also you can recover better so use UFC as an example; a fighter training in thailand can buy test and peptides over the counter... That same fighter might be able to do an hour muay thai training, an hour of bjj, an hour of sparring & fully recover and be good to go the next day... Whereas a natural fighter might only be able to recover from one session. Getting away with ped use doesnt just make you stronger but allows you to do a LOT more training... And then you can just clean up and get your bloodwork back to baseline
Awesome perspective, really never thought about it this way.
When Clarence speaks, I listen.
for the blind he is the light for the deaf he is sound for the mute he is voice
Good job Claerence, you have a tremendous ability of taking complex ideas and explaining them in simple terms for a broad audience (without sacrificing the quality of the idea). You obviously come across as a thoughtful person with great ideas, the public could use some of those! A big bonus for attacking ''avoided'' areas such as drug-use in sports.
informative as always clarence
love these video essays
Surely a fake natural is simply someone who claims natty and isnt?
Clarence with the best content.. thanks Clarence
I enjoy hearing these thoughts!
The issue is 99.99% of fake nattys will never lift anywhere near WR level. So these methods only work for pro athletes, and only at the highest level
Great video as always
I dig the Zelda and chill Lofi in the sponsor plug 😊
Thank you for your honesty
Good choice in music putting that celeste tune in there
I recognize it was from One shot, I might be wrong though
Regarding your point on psychology: there have been (and are) many people who were very publicly against something that they themselves were guilty of. So I don't think it's a great marker of honesty. People don't always act rationally and can often do things that go against their apparent interests, e.g. due to feelings of shame and guilt.
Nice video as always
Nice thoughts! Thanks!
Watching the video and hearing a track from Celeste (witch is my favourite platformer) in the later half of the video is awesometacular.
Was just watching this man earlier and then he drops. Sheesh
USA Weightlifting has a largely successful propaganda campaign that purports all USA weightlifters as tested and natural. Coaches, when questioned about the natural status of their athletes, react with anger and whataboutism, pointing to USADA as the final decider of the issue. In my opinion, it's just American exceptionalism in PED form. Some of these up-and-coming unaffiliated athletes are adding 50kg to their total in a year, or squatting 210kg (with long levers) before they turn 20. And to address the classic American rebuttal, no, I do not believe we can simply look to totals for the answer, because we do not have a weightlifting farm system in this country akin to Eastern Europe or Asia. USAW and USADA have created an entire culture around fake natties.
Yo Clarence is popping off
Senpai Clarence make more videos. Greeting from Germany
Culture, character, financial incentives, the 10% rule.
Would be interesting to assign a point scale to each of these and come up with a mathematical formula for fake-natty likelihood.
This video is so good!
I think claiming to be natty after using gear is a disgrace to oneself. How can someone live with themselves knowing that they had to use gear to reach where they are & naturally wouldn't even be anywhere near? (Excluding those bound by business contract to claim so)
"Anywhere near is debatable", but I get what you're saying
People lie to themselves all the time it's no surprise anywhere
Narcissism is much more powerful than honor
Peds make you WAY more money. Point blank. This is the answer. It is easily worth the scrutiny and hate you get. It isnt cheating when everyone is cheating
Thanks. It's informative.
Steroids only give 10-15% strength boosts?! I thought it would've been WAY more than that...
Tbf everyone responds differently to steroids and not sure if the study was conducted long enough or with a effective pool of lifters
It definitely is, tons of anecdotal reports with wayyyy more. Maybe it was for specifically weightlifting though, which is super form based
@@dkis8730this means weight adjusted
Hey Clarence, im curious if you do anything for a living instead of youtube and patreon( i dont know about othet src of income of urs), its just that u succeed so much on the strength and athletics, that i dont see a window for a normal person to start and succeed that way u did, even tho such person a very good time management skills.
Ur awesome, thx ;)
Did he just call out Mike o tren? He just eats duck eggs and trens hard
Keep the content rolling 👍🏽
We need more Clarence vids
I was just listening to the Celeste soundtrack right before this video and was like "did I leave the soundtrack on?"...before realizing you put it in the background of this video. 🙂
Nice! Tank you Clarence
Clarence0 the goat !!!
love the ender lilies in the background
I'm glad my fellow Belgian Tom Goegebuer is mentioned here. He's been fighting for a clean image for weightlifting for years.
that was the best transition to an add, ever
I’m just a simple man. I see a Clarence video I press like before watching :)
Solid video
Great video. What's the videogame used as the background for the beginning of the video? (such as at 0:43)
Digging the Celeste background music. Fantastic game
Got a 10kg PR on my Squat just because Clarence started posting again
7:50 Strategic Russel Orhii placement.
Thank you, King
Was that Celeste music I was hearing?
This is the crossover I didn't know I needed
never thought id see the day that clarence does a paid sponsorship
thought this was gonna be a meme, but not even fucking close. damn this was a delight to watch.
I personally have reservations about the 10% method. Maybe it works more for strength movement only like squat or deadlift, but when it comes down to Olympic lifts there are just so many factors. For instance, in terms of absolute numbers, snatch heavily relies on arm length. After the strength reaches a certain level the arm length or the body proportion in general determines how much one can snatch. C&J relies on different types of strength in all parts of the body. It's easy to have a bottleneck somewhere even if one's enhanced. I doubt the strength levels of all body parts will respond to PEDs by the same proportion, not to mention that the whole is not the sum of the parts, not that simple; therefore the conversion rate is unlikely be 100%. As a result even if one's strength increased by 10% after taking PEDs, it's unlikely that their two Olympic lifts will also increase by the same proportion.
Explain to me what you meant by the arm length affecting the snatch
@@thechosenone93 Other things being equal, athletes with arm length will snatch more weight because they can pull and catch the bar higher. Lu Xiaojun explained this point pretty clearly in the video "REVEALED: LU XIAOJUN's top secret for the SNATCH"
@@dustinl308 Ah thanks for that. And does that mean that long armed lifters will clean less ?
@@thechosenone93 Technically lifters with long femurs will struggle more in clean, but generally long arms and long femurs go together, so yes to some extent. Clean is not as dependent on body structure as snatch though. Developing greater leg strength and pulling strength can overcome that, although ppl who squat with long femurs are at a disadvantage.
@@dustinl308 I believe that disadvantages can be overcome. So for my back squat,because of my longer legs/femurs I should squat to parallel or a little below it,and not ATG? Because I don’t feel any resistance and I have seen a certain professional weightlifter squat/front squat/full snatch to parallel? What’s your opinion on this?
The 10% rule seems logical if comparing the natty vs enhanced numbers of a genetically elite individual that has actually reached their natty ceiling.
My issue with the 10% statement as a general guideline is that I think it ignores the fact that enhanced lifters can get away with a lot of lapses in programming and nutrition. Being enhanced raises the floor, or the minimum amount of effort required to achieve an amazing result.
Increased regeneration, bigger strength, faster growth. Without PEDs you get to your natty max after 15-20 years of hard work. With PEDs maybe 5 years, then you start going beyond.
@@lukassky8997 15-20 is a long time but if you're talking absolute 100% of your natural potential then yeah it is probably up there. It's even more nuts when you look at the difference in "short term" gains though imo. Like I'd say you can hit about 80-90% of your "natty max" within 3-5 years if you do everything right, then after that you're just grinding for incremental improvement. But if you hop on gear from day 1, you can hit that 80-90% level in about 1 year. Obviously drug/dose dependent. It's crazy to see.
There was a gym I used to go to with a lot of PEDs going about where I saw that happen nearly every year. Because I'd see the skinny kids coming in fresh out of high school at like 140lbs, then some of them would start talking to the older regulars who were openly on gear. Then I'd see them again next summer and they'd be pushing 190lbs with veins popping out and acne everywhere. Then next summer they're 220lbs and glowing red lol.
When people see top level strength athletes and bodybuilders they'll often say things like "yeah but they still had to work hard to get there." And to be fair, that is usually true. But when we're just talking about the people who are on gear yet still merely hovering around the upper limits of what they could have achieved naturally, those guys are just pissing about, they're not working hard at all.
@@yewtewbstew547 You will reach, but most do not reach that potential due to personal life or frequent injuries. I trained naturally until a month ago, anabolic steroids make a big difference, the fact is that they also damage our body. It is best to take testosterone with another preparation that protects against gynecomastia. Even with only testosterone (testosterone is the base without it, don't take anything else) small doses give good results, otherwise you harm your body.
well explained, thanks...
love the celeste music
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The more i learn about drugs the more increasingly difficult it becomes to spot users vs nattys. Its relatively easy to spot someone on steroids or hormones, but the “gains” from SARMs can be so minute that they look and perform completely “naturally”. I guess that can be a plus that pharmacology has evolved but between that and social media, im convinced well over 20% of all gymgoers 18-35yrs old are on something.
10% my ass, anyone who took PEDs competitively knows it's more like 20%. PEDs don't only boost strenght, most importantly they boost recovery, which for weightlifting is immense advantage, since it will tremendously improve not just your strenght, and speed, and power, but also your technique. Imagine training 2x as frequent, and 2x more intense, with 2x more volume, than some natty, over 10 years of time.
For example: would Ilya CJ 220 as natty? No fukin way. He would be 3 weight classes lighter and lift less than 200.
Also, PEDs allow the athlete to reach heavier weight categories gaining "unnatural" amounts of muscle mass they couldn't get otherwise, which is also huge in weightlifting, since the shorter athlete with more muscle mass/lower bodyfat% has advantage, inside the same weight class.
Idk I think the 10% thing does work
Because you should be considering weight adjusted
Ok we’ll get checked, Clarance using Clarence25
Saw the news today and came back
clarence shld make a squat tutorial he is the best squatter
10-15% is okay, but in powerlifting, it's extremely visible that it's closer to up to 20%+
Especially the last couple years, lifters have increased their squat from for example 290 (6+ years of training) all the way up to 350 after only 10 months... That's almost 20% in only 10 months of lifting enhanced...
I like the Celeste music in the background 👍
I just squat everyday Clarence seems to keep my testosterone levels high lifetime Natty here
Love the fact that Russell Ohri was shown when you commented “those you are tested regularly might only get a 5% increase” - lol
3 videos in a month, christmas came early
do you think russel orhii is natural? he claims natty like everyday on his insta lmao
GVS has refined his opinion on someone like Russell and thinks he's natural now. Considering Russell is Nigerian, and there is a mind-blowing concentration of strength genes there, and every story about "that Nigerian that works out in my gym" is about insane genetics and muscle belly definition, I'd guess Russell is just top-tier natty and we can actually see how far Nigerian genes can go with abundance of resources like food and training regimes. Who ACTUALLY knows, I guess nobody but Russell. But I'm willing to bet more people are natty than we think.
Is that the Undertale or One Shot soundtrack? Either way they're both amazing.
Tbh, not all people in the gym with gyno are on gear. I'm one of those people. The reason I went to the gym was to try and get rid of my gyno and to no one's surprise it didn't work. I have a pretty average build and maybe slightly above average numbers for my weight and age, so no thinks I'm on gear.
I feel you, bro.
Does anyone know the backgroud clarence used in the video when talking? With the big purple tree etc
Very well done.
Clarence aways drops a bomb out of nowhere
Every time clarence post we gather and we watch.
always
Clarence is going down the video essay era.