The Best Standard Shaped Paddles for Control, All-Court, and Power

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  • @mr.mr.3301
    @mr.mr.3301 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Excellent video now do a hybrid shape. I have settled on those as my favorite.

  • @alexandercochran806
    @alexandercochran806 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Good stuff. Its a good idea once a quarter or twice a year to go over the best of the best in different shapes. This would allow you get enough reviews done and tested enough. So many paddles we forget and then see this and say oh yeah I forgot about that one. this is because we are all chasing new and forget the paddles from 314 months ago.

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Love this thought, I agree. Twice a year would be a good cadence I think. Keeps the lists fresh and gives enough time for things to change.

  • @Eggrollexpress_pickleballisfun
    @Eggrollexpress_pickleballisfun หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love for the Spartus Apollo?! Love your content PB effect!!! You and pickleball studio my go to videos for PB gear. Thanks.

  • @dv3347
    @dv3347 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice concept here. It's nice change of pace.

  • @PanamaLou-zk3xe
    @PanamaLou-zk3xe หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Great review Braydon ! You should do the same with Hybrids and Elongated ! Wanted to please ask why you did not include the Pickleball Apes Pulse V ? Where would it rank with these standard shapped paddles ? Have a wonderful Thanskgiving and keep up the great work Sir. Saludos from Panama.

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks, the video has gotten positive reception so far so I'll probably do it for other shapes too. And I filmed this video a month or so ago when I had just got and started playing with the V so it just missed it but it's a good paddle and slots in well with the ones I included. The V is a little tricky to rank because out of the box it's around the Jelly Bean and Neonic Flare Prime X but once it breaks in it's around the Engage Pursuit EX 6.0.

  • @romanhernz3839
    @romanhernz3839 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent video ! enjoyed the information very very much!

  • @robedwards6926
    @robedwards6926 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good vid, I like the forgiveness of a standard shape but I've wondered at what height/arm-length (lack of) do you need to consider an elongated due to reach. At what point does reach become a more important factor than the forgiveness.
    Just wondering because I'm not very tall and I don't often generally see an empasis being placed on reach.

  • @funnyism
    @funnyism หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've hit quite a few standard shapes and my overall favorite is the PIKKL Hurricane. The feel is to my liking and one of the spinniest paddle out there,

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's another good one. It played similar enough to the Volair Mach 2 Forza that I had to pick one or the other and I went with the Mach 2 because I thought it was a touch more forgiving than the Hurricane but that's being nit picky. Both are very good pure control paddles with high spin.

    • @Trekkymtb
      @Trekkymtb หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have a number of the paddles on this list, and agree that I enjoy the 14mm Pkkl Hurricane Pro more than a lot of them. It's definitely a paddle that gets slept on a little.

  • @duanehensley8835
    @duanehensley8835 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Should have included the Gruvn Lazr-16S. The best paddle I have ever used and I have owned 16 different paddles and have tried other paddles as well.

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the suggestion, I haven’t had a chance to try that one out yet, but it’s on my list!

  • @DavidMaurer-lk1br
    @DavidMaurer-lk1br 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good morning! Have you played with the Gruvn Lazr 16s? Another interesting new standard shape paddle with a crazy low swing weight.

  • @lukechen4295
    @lukechen4295 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What are your thoughts about the Apollo?

  • @christianeprice
    @christianeprice หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Love this format! Please do this with hybrids and include the pulse S and new B&B Invader

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Glad to hear you like the format! Depending on how the video performs I might do more of these in the future.

  • @CyberSonic157
    @CyberSonic157 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The power of the Neonic Flare Prime X and the ESQ-C are pretty close I feel like. Surprised you didn't classify it as a power paddle.

    • @xykijop13
      @xykijop13 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      100% agree, its a hot paddle

  • @HowieB-isMe3885
    @HowieB-isMe3885 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    So you haven’t looked at the Pickleball apes pulse V yet?

    • @kevsknavs
      @kevsknavs หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Its an amazing paddle

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That’s a fair ask. I do like and recommend that paddle and think it slots in well with this list. I had just recorded this a month or so ago and hadn’t played with it much at that point.

    • @HowieB-isMe3885
      @HowieB-isMe3885 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ i own 2 . One i gave to my wife and she loves it. Still breaking mine in. It did play great today. Had so many perfect resets and plenty of angled topspin roll volleys.

    • @FPennings13
      @FPennings13 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was wondering the same thing. Absolutely love mine! Best paddle I have played with ... very maneuverable at the NVZ, great control and feel on resets, good power for serves and drives, can put away balls etc. Been playing with it for 3 weeks and it just feels like the right paddle for me.

    • @hyoukjinlee2737
      @hyoukjinlee2737 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I also do love my pulse v. first standard shape paddle and fell in love with it. The grit on it is awesome. Though mine is starting to wear off a lot
      Got the jelly bean and all court on sale. Will be trying those two out soon.

  • @kylepickleball
    @kylepickleball หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wait, how did the Pickleball Apes Pulse V not make this list? I've mained elongated paddles for 5+ years coming off the Ronbus R1 Pulsar and R1 Ripple beta. Ordered the Pulse S and the V only b/c of the buzz surrounding that standard/wide body paddle. Figured I'd send both back but loved the V and sold my Ripple. Massive sweet spot, you have to work really hard to miss-hit a ball and the balance is perfect, no perimeter weighting is necessary. A buddy tried my S and bought it from me since I was sticking with the V. Got tired of people wanting to try my V so I bought another, lent it to 3 people and all of them ordered one.

  • @JaxxCrash
    @JaxxCrash หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Could you at least tell me what you would have rated (like your 1 to 5 star rating system) the pickleball apes pulse v? Im curious where it stacks up on the power and control and forgiveness vs some of these

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The V is a little tricky to rank because out of the box it's around the Jelly Bean and Neonic Flare Prime X but once it breaks in it's around the Engage Pursuit EX 6.0.

  • @romymauricio3111
    @romymauricio3111 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Any thoughts on the Monarch All Court 14mm? How does it stack up with your list?

  • @Positivecuriosity46
    @Positivecuriosity46 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like the format. Have you tried Monarch 14mm? Thoughts?

  • @DanGardner-xx4te
    @DanGardner-xx4te 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I enjoyed this comparison vid. Kinda surprised that the CRBN 2x and Engage Pursuit EX were not part of it. They are both included in your Hot List. I play with the CRBN 2x and am interested in a less expensive option that plays similarly.

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The 11SIX24 Monarch All Court is less expensive and plays similar though it has a longer handle.

  • @xykijop13
    @xykijop13 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Interesting that you find the Flare Prime X to be more controlled than the Monarch All Court.
    To me, switching between the two for a month, here is where I'd rate them:
    Power:
    FPX - 8.5/10
    MAC - 6/10
    Pop:
    FPX - 8/10
    MAC - 6.5/10
    Control (ease of resets, dinks, drops):
    FPX - 5/10
    MAC - 7/10
    Sweet Spot/Forgiveness:
    FPX - 7/10
    MAC - 9/10

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Do you have weight on your FPX?

  • @JeffHensley-p5i
    @JeffHensley-p5i หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! Love your insight and I know it keeps getting harder with more companies entering the market. Q: I've played Engage for quite awhile, always love the feel of the ball off the face currently playing Pursuit Pro EX 6.0. Any recommendations for something with similar feeling off the face and similar control but a little more power. I wouldn't mid going with a little thinner paddle - I know the difference isn't much but I do think the maneuverability of thinner paddles is a bit better. Favorite shot is the Drip.

  • @Danieltp79
    @Danieltp79 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I returned Monarch All-Court paddle as its face was too stiff for me. I am coming from MF2 14 and would like a new paddle with a little more power while maintaining the plush factor. Which paddle is this? I was looking at Hurricane 14mm as a potential option, but Flare Ti could be another option? What about Pulse V?

    • @49dubs
      @49dubs หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      How about looking at the monarch jelly bean?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah, the All Court does have a little stiffer feel to it. The Neonic Flare Ti would be a good one for more power but you would lose a little pop compared to the M2F. The Hurricane 14mm won't give much difference in power or pop. If you don't mind the shorter handle of the EX 6.0 it's a good option that will give you more power and pop but is still plusher feeling.

  • @123BV8
    @123BV8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How about spin, any stand out from the others?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Spin on all of them is very good. Spin has come a long way the last couple of years and I think it's less of a factor when considering which paddle you want since it's not often you run into a bad spin paddle anymore. However, the one that felt unique there is the Ripple. You can hit some very dippy drives with it from time to time though it's the same as others at the net.

  • @John-cs1cj
    @John-cs1cj 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Where would the Pulse slot in if you had it on this list?
    Strange the Ripple is here and will probably never be released. But you probably didn’t know the problems they would have getting it approved since they keep threatening to release it.

  • @ernest4483
    @ernest4483 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Another great content Braydon, both the Flare Prime X and Monarch AC has the same price point, which of the paddles between Flare Prime X or the Monarch AC would you gravitate?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I personally gravitate to the Flare Prime X because I like thinner paddles for myself. If you do go that route it needs a little weight to bring it to life.

    • @ernest4483
      @ernest4483 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@pickleballeffectThank you Braydon for your input

  • @yoonyulntaeny
    @yoonyulntaeny หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jelly Bean for $65 right now. It's an absolute steal

    • @49dubs
      @49dubs หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thoughts compared to Vatic pro prism for $80?

    • @matthoward4701
      @matthoward4701 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@49dubs
      Jelly Bean has lighter swing weight, larger sweet spot and more power and pop. Both very good paddles

    • @yoonyulntaeny
      @yoonyulntaeny หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @49dubs Jelly Bean is standard leaning to wide-body shape whilst Prism Flash is hybrid and V7 is elongated. Prism feels a bit softer, so a bit more control, but Jelly Bean has a larger sweet spot and more pop/power than the Prism. Both are good depending on the shape you prefer. But price wise, I guess $65 beats $80, though $15 shouldn't stop you from getting your preferred shape which is important. The main question is do you want more reach or larger/wider sweet-spot (forgiving)

  • @zeruth467
    @zeruth467 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you have a hybrid video coming? 😢 I feel like companies are forgetting about hybrids and there are only a few hybrid 14s oriented for power/or all court

  • @caseyturnbaugh9484
    @caseyturnbaugh9484 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What would be the one you would play if you could only play one for the rest of your days?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If I could only play one for the rest of my days I’d want one that I don’t think would hold me back as I continued to improve. So I’d want something on the more powerful side. Probably the ESQ-C 12.7 or the Joola 3S Scorpeus. Plus I think I have a developed enough soft game that I could manage a power paddle well given it’s the only one I play with and adjust to.

  • @BobSan106
    @BobSan106 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How would you compare the ripple R2 to the Gearbox Ultimate hyper that comes out this week? Would love your thoughts Brandon?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Hyper is more forgiving and has a more comfortable, plush feel to it. It's a power paddle but not a big power paddle. The Ripple R2 is a big power paddle, lighter, and less forgiving.

    • @sethgauthier5963
      @sethgauthier5963 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Trying to decide Gb hyper or 3s scorpeus

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@sethgauthier5963I like the 3S over the Hyper because the bounce is more predictable across the face making it easier to adjust to overtime.

  • @stacy695
    @stacy695 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have you tried the new Gearbox that just went on presale yesterday?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes. Out of the box it’s lower power paddle and it plays well but I’m hesitant to recommend it and other gearbox power paddles because of they tend to break in too much and get too hot.

  • @steezyy19
    @steezyy19 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where would you put the pikkl hurricane pro 14?

  • @mattmershon3542
    @mattmershon3542 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve tried nearly all these. I’ve played for 8 plus years now exclusively with standard shape and shorter handle paddles. I don’t believe there’s a better paddle in this category than the Gruvn Muvn 16V.
    So many good choices out there but I think the GRUVN flies under the radar.

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for the comment. I just barely got that one and other gruvns last week. Haven’t tried them out yet but they are on my list and now my interested is even more piqued. What do you like about it over the others you’ve tried?

    • @mattmershon3542
      @mattmershon3542 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ I have tried probably 2 or 3 dozen paddles. I’m a bit of a gear junkie. Same way with golf.
      I played ping pong rather competitively when younger and lots of doubles in tennis. I gravitated to square shaped paddles early on and my other favorite and current back up is the carbon 2x and I also have a Gruvn 13 mm back up. I love the amazing sweet spot on the 16 Muvn and the spin it creates. The paddle has an excellent blend of power and control.

  • @chivatech
    @chivatech หลายเดือนก่อน

    So what's your go to out of all these?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I personally play the Paddletek ESQ-C 12.7

  • @jnfriesen1
    @jnfriesen1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where do you add weight on the monarch all court? I find it a bit underpowered compared to my Hurache x control plus

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I put three grams at 3 and 9 o’clock.

  • @danjamper
    @danjamper หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this helpful video B. If you focused on only one version/thickness in a particular model, was this because you wouldn't recommend it? Im currently looking to upgrade from M2F 14, and was left wondering how the Scorpeus 3S Anna Bright and the ESQ-C 14.3 fit into the spectrum. Only the 16mm Joola and 12.7 Paddleteks were covered. Thanks again!

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Good question, there are certainly many other good ones out there that I would still recommend but felt the ones I included would fit most people. For you, if you like the extra speed and lower launch angle of your M2F14 then the AB Scorpeus makes sense if you're looking for a jump in offense. It's a good paddle. It'll give you a good jump in power and pop. The ESQ-C 14.3 isn't as unique to me as the 12.7 imo. The 14.3 has a similar power and control output as the Monarch All Court but the All Court is much more forgiving.

  • @chrislaws8245
    @chrislaws8245 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thoughts on the Geuvn Lazr 16s?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I just got that paddle a week or so ago and haven’t hit with it yet but people have been telling me good things about it.

  • @49dubs
    @49dubs หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would you recommend the jelly bean over the pro prism? Both have control characteristics but what about power? Which one has more?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Prism series is less poppy than the Jelly Bean so it depends what you want. If you want the most help as you can on the control side then the Prism series is good but if you want a touch more pop and power then go with the Jelly Bean.

    • @yoonyulntaeny
      @yoonyulntaeny หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also important that Prism Flash is a hybrid shape and V7 is elongated whereas Jelly Bean is a standard moving to wide-body shape

  • @caseyturnbaugh9484
    @caseyturnbaugh9484 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How does the Esq-c play compared to the Thrive Azul?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Similar power levels but the Esq is poppier and lighter. The Azul is more forgiving though.

  • @Dy1pickel
    @Dy1pickel หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I still prefer my CRBN 2x over all of these. Cheers to new Trufoam 2 shape coming soon :)

  • @wolf-xf6hf
    @wolf-xf6hf หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Personally I definitely feel like the flare prime x has significantly more pop than the monarch all court and I’ve played with both pretty extensively

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is your Flare Prime X weighted up?

    • @wolf-xf6hf
      @wolf-xf6hf หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ yes but only slightly and I honestly still thought that stock. I’ve got 0.05 on either side of the throat and 0.017 on each side of the head so I’ve only added about 0.13 ounces total so really not much.

  • @m.panduh4456
    @m.panduh4456 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about the ronbus pulsar fx r2?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน

      It would fall into the aggressive control area next to the Monarch Jelly Bean.

  • @alexandercochran806
    @alexandercochran806 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One more question that just came to mind after watch Olsons Ripple meltdown, he said you didn’t think it was that much hotter. True? I thought the Beta was the best paddle( R2) I’d ever hit. And I never like standard paddles. It was power. Wonderful touch on drops. Dinks were easy once u understand less is more and just the soft muted feel of that thing. Then the edge guard issue happened to me, it got crunchy and hotter and more unpredictable. Even then, as I wait for my new version to come in, I still like the paddle though I preferred it out of the box versus now. Thoughts?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      My tests for the Beta were putting it just above the Bantam TKO-C and then the new one bumped it up to the 3S & Gearbox level. So it got a bump but not insane. My opinion is that since it's within the realm of other, existing power paddles that the power level is acceptable and we shouldn't be calling for it be banned or anything. Now do I think that Gearbox, 3S, and Ripple is too much for the sport, yes, but I don't think Ripple is an outlier or anything.

  • @visualvirtue9640
    @visualvirtue9640 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And now with a near Thanksgiving debut is the new Gearbox Pro Ultimate HYPER. Sorry you missed it.

  • @t091582
    @t091582 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you explain what "forgiveness" means in pickleball?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน

      It describes how much energy return you get on mishits or you can think of it as the size of the sweet spot. A paddle with low forgiveness has more dead spots around the edges while a paddle with high forgiveness is more lively around the edges.

    • @marksTips466
      @marksTips466 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@pickleballeffect Thank you!

  • @bsu88
    @bsu88 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You're missing the best Standard shape paddle... Pulse Apes V.

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s a fair point. I had recorded this a month or so ago and hadn’t played with the V much at that point.

  • @M0stlyHarmless9
    @M0stlyHarmless9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve played with the ripple and personally think it’s too powerful for the game. The pace of drives and counters is just ridiculous. I don’t understand how this passed testing

  • @ericmandell7895
    @ericmandell7895 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The printed shirts you' ve been wearing recently are super cool! Much more "pizzaz" than the standard solid colored shirts.

    • @ericmandell7895
      @ericmandell7895 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ...studio looks great too!

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks! I agree, the printed shirts look cooler on camera though in person I like the solids more lol.

  • @terogan
    @terogan หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Wouldn’t mind it if you did away with the background music. It’s like listening to your professor’s lecture with music playing. Other than that, I do like this format.

    • @Jalyals
      @Jalyals หลายเดือนก่อน

      you can barely hear it…

    • @terogan
      @terogan หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Jalyals try listening with ear buds in. It’s very noticeable.

    • @user9b2
      @user9b2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed, music was distracting, prefer no music also.

    • @elliotg.6597
      @elliotg.6597 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don’t mind music but there is something a bit distracting with this one for sure lol maybe a different song?

    • @tkielion
      @tkielion 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think majority probably like it, didn’t even really notice until I read this.

  • @jnfriesen1
    @jnfriesen1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Apollo?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That one is in the same vein as the Mach 2 Forza 16 and I decided to go with the Mach 2 since it's a touch more forgiving and has longer lasting grit. If budget is a concern then the Apollo is a good alternative I'd recommend.

  • @BJJandBS
    @BJJandBS หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Jojolemon blows all of these away and its half the price

  • @thm4811
    @thm4811 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you have star ratings for the Apollo and Monarch Control?

  • @akoimichael
    @akoimichael หลายเดือนก่อน

    J3K/J3KPro?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm not crazy about those ones. They are very heavy for standard shaped paddles which defeats part of the purpose of them being faster and forgiving. And then they give you a little extra power than many standard shaped paddles but that's primarily due to the weight where instead you can get a Monarch All Court that is just as offensive but lighter.

  • @jonadinh1871
    @jonadinh1871 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thoughts about Honolulu J3K pro?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm not crazy about that one. It's very heavy for a standard shaped paddle which defeats part of the purpose of them being faster and forgiving. And then it gives you a little extra power than many standard shaped paddles but that's primarily due to the weight where instead you can get a Monarch All Court that is just as offensive but lighter.

  • @scottfrancis13
    @scottfrancis13 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Flare Prime X definitely more pop than the MAC

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe weighted up it does but I don’t think it does stock.

  • @Pickleball_dad
    @Pickleball_dad หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What do you think the softest wide body is? Talking straight marshmallow.

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Any sort of cold pressed paddle like an original CRBN 2. The Selkirk Luxx Epic is another one. If you want a thermoformed paddle then the PIKKL Hurricane 16 would be a good one for this.

    • @saigonproducer
      @saigonproducer หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m looking for the same. Something I can swing for the stars with but it still stays in 😂