Lorre-Mill Double Knot (in-depth overview / demo)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ส.ค. 2024
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A couple years too late, the first video of the Double Knot on the internet with any explanation of what the heck is going on! Everything here is improvised and mainly didactic but I hope it at least shows you why I love this thing so much. I haven't even touched the surface of the many tricks I have learned so far!
Let me know what you think :)
EDIT: Just rewatched, and I'm now aware that the time signature at 28:15 was 4/4. I think I may have forgotten how to count at that moment :P
Just got a DK3 and I am in LOVVVE. This video really helped me understand what I was doing despite a few variations hardware wise. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
The Double Knot is very underrated for what it can offer. Found myself building up rhythms and sequences immediately I plugged mine in so am enjoying your approach to this here. Thanks for sharing it!
Agreed, it's so immediate! Just plug in a few cables and you've got a cool groove to build off of, it's genius in it's simplicity really :)
Wonderful video work here. Love your style and your voice is so soothing. Dreamy. Double Knot is like a mini Buchla. or a cheaper Ciat Lonbarde Plumbutter. All 3 are fascinating to me. What may pull me toward something like the Lorre-Mill Double Knot v.3 is the fact the Arturia MiniFreak is like an updated version of my Roland V-Synth in many ways and will always be available.
But the niche fringe makers of boutique, oddball, super innovative synths may vanish tomorrow, like so many are doing lately. Adventure Audio recently went out of business. Glad I got their Outer Rings ring modulator pedal.
Go for the bizarre shit first -- my new motto. Folktek, Ciat Lonbarde Tocante, ASM, Trogotronic, Landscape, Error Instruments, Teenage Engineering, Abstrakt Instruments, Michael Rucci, JMT Synths, Flame, all those weird and strange specialty cobblers of unusual electronic devices.
You may get better service from the big guys like Roland, Moog, Korg, Arturia, Kurzweil, Casio, Yamaha, Dave Smith Instruments, Akai.
But the weirdo synths that are well made and do a good one trick pony gimmick or overall sound -- they as vintage items go for rather high prices.
Then again, sometimes the Etsy type synths are poorly made, won't last long, may not even work right out of the box. Lorre-Mill devices seem very sturdy and reliable. Great niche synths for special soundscapes.
really nice when all the bubbling little glitches cycle around the kick that then pins things down a bit.
Thank you for making this video. As others have said, your thoughtful and clear manner really helps to make sense of this strange and beautiful instrument.
Such an amazing video. If only you had produced demo's of all of my complex gear!! You definitely have a real skill for teaching - thank you!!
Never played the chain of two sequences together like you described, so this vid was great to absorb that info. Thx!
Thanks! This is clearly the best presentation available!
Amazing demo... don't know much about these types of synths primarily a poly synth guy... but this video was just completely fascinating and wonderfully to the point! That thing is like a multiple cellular organism and your sort of stirring the primordial soup and then bang something comes alive.
thank you for making these Double Knot videos! you pointed out the one (glaringly obvious, now that I see it..) thing that was eluding me with mine, that the first out of each shift register is stepped!
I'm glad I was able to help! And yeah, one of the neat things about the stepped output is that there are only 16 possible voltages it can produce, which is great for creating interesting microtonal melodies that have a sense of familiarity and musicality - you can get some lovely melodic structures from the DAC output :)
Excellent video! Thanks for making this. Just got a DK v3 and this is a super helpful intro.
A perfect video manual for the Double Knot!
this is fantastic! great explanations, explorations, and patching techniques. thanks so much for taking the time to do this!
Thank you so much! More coming very soon :)
Just wanted to thank you so much for these videos! I watched them before I bought a Double Knot, watched them after I got a Double Knot and reference to them now that I post videos of the Double Knot! Simply the best, well thought through and thorough tutorial for the DK online! Thanks Allie! :)
Thanks for the overview! Hope you make more videos like this in the future.
I'm planning to! I'll be making more patching videos on the Double Knot, walking through building patches and trying different things, and interfacing it with the Mosstone as soon as I can afford one :P
I also plan on making vids about some of my other gear - stay tuned :)
Let me know if you have any suggestions or requests!
Wow! Thanks a lot for this demo! I always dismissed the DN as just a weird noise box thing ... but now it’s definitely on my wishlist 😅
No problem, thank you so much for watching - I'm a big fan of your vids and am very happy to turn you on to one of my new favorite synths :) I think it'd go great with the LepLoop stuff IMO
Thanks for this! I just snagged one of these, and this will be really useful with the experimentation. Looking forward to more videos as well.
Awesome choice, I hope you enjoy the double knot as much as I have ^_^
awesome video! i was never sure about the double knot but this settles it. great synth, great patch examples and explanation!
Great video! Been super interested in this synth and its great to see a good overview of it.
I'm really glad you like it :) Definitely get one before they're all gone, super worth it!
That's awesome, haven't watched your drone vid but I'd love to have some insight on the pitch knob and sync input of the clock section
This is a great question! The sync inputs on the clock and oscillators I haven't really covered much in either video, I definitely wanna go over them in the future, but they are super fun!
The sync input for the clock is really straightforward - whenever the clock receives a gate/high enough voltage in the sync input, it will cause the clock to "skip a beat" (in actuality what it's doing is firing off two pulses in quick succession). In practice, this allows for lop-sided rhythms - a good basic patch would be to create a loop as I do in this video, and then patch one of the register's gate outputs to the clock sync. This means that, whenever that register's gate is high, the clock will skip forward. It's another, more rhythmic, way of creating cool swings/time signature things. Another fun quirk - if you connect the inverted clock output to the sync input, the clockspeed doubles, which is useful for higher drone pitches and handpatching! If you connect the direct clock output to the sync, the clock stops.
The oscillator sync inputs are way funner and more mysterious - a good starting place with them is to connect one of the oscillator square outputs to the other's sync input, and then listen to how they interrelate - they will lock phase on both harmonics and subharmonic to varying degrees, as well as changing timbre!
The pitch knob is pretty basic, but I assumed you're referring to the pitch attenuverters (on the corner). The way those work is, you plug something into the pitch input (the one attached with a line to the knob), and then the knob determines "how much" the pitch is changed by that voltage - a good way to explore this is to take the envelope output from one side to it's corresponding pitch input, then turn the pitch attenuverter clockwise - the result will be a kick-drum type sound, where the pitch starts high, and then goes low as the envelope decays. The further the knob is turned the more extreme this pitch drop is. Since it's an attenuverter, you can also "flip" the input to get an inverted relationship if you turn counter-clockwise - so, instead of starting high and going low, it'll start low and go high, like some ethnic instruments! Also, just fyi, the clock's speed input (with the knob attatched) is also an attenuverter, so it can also flip control voltages - very handy for making cool grooves!
Hope this helps, let me know if you have more questions! I'll try to do a video exploring some of the stuff I missed in the future, once I get some stuff out of the way :)
This is a wonderful demo, thank you.
Fantastic video! Thank you for this insightful overview.
amazing like all of your videos! thanks soooo much !!
Many thanks - this was fascinating and about as accessible as it could be, given the complexity of the device itself. The point about how the level of complexity is after a certain point only going to be comprehensible to machines is particularly interesting. My knowledge of modular synthesis is pretty basic, though, so most of this was still over my head, in terms of full/empty buckets, shift registers, how to patch what to what, etc. Any chance you could do (or recommend) a video that walks through some of the background, particularly clocking? Sorry for the long comment.
Hey - I just wrote a really long response to this and then youtube deleted when I clicked reply for some reason, which was really frustrating, so I'll give a summarized response I guess >.<
I don't have any videos on shift registers, but I'll try to clarify some of the more crazy parts of how shift registers work:
A shift register can be compared to a bucket brigade, which used to be the fastest way to fight a fire - a bunch of people stand in line and, when told to, will each pass their bucket down the line to the next person. In the double knot, the shift registers are binary, meaning that there are only two kinds of bucket, full buckets (1s/high gates of 8v) and empty ones (0s/low gates of 0v).
The shift registers in the double knot have two inputs that are important to make them work - the clock input and the data input. The people in line will wait for a clock to give them the signal, and then will each pass their bucket down the line. The first person in line will pass their bucket to #2, who will pass their bucket to #3, who will pass to #4, etc. The first person will then look at whatever is in the data input right that moment - if it's over a certain voltage at that moment (lets say 4v~), he will take a full bucket. If it's below that voltage, he'll choose an empty bucket instead.
So, if you send a clock to the shift register but have nothing in the data input, everyone will keep passing their buckets down the line, but the first guy in line will always keep taking empty buckets (bad firefighter!). If you have something going to the data input, but nothing in the clock, it's even worse - they will never pass their bucket down, and the person first in line will just stare at the new buckets longingly as they go by. This is why it's always good to have something going to both the clock and the data input!
If you actually have a double knot, I suggest playing around with sending different things to the clock and data input and seeing what happens - the best way to learn is by experimentation! As I show in the video, a common starting point is to take one of the gate outputs (the ones with the blinky lights, representing buckets #5, #6, #7, and #8 respectively) and patch it back into the data input - now, whenever a clock happens, the first guy in line will just steal his bucket from whatever that person further down the line was using, which is also really bad for firefighting! This creates a loop which will keep repeating as the pattern 'starts over' when the first guy in line steals the bucket.
Hopefully this is helpful and not extra confusing! Let me know if I can clarify things more or if you need further explanation - I wrote this twice now, so I don't mind writing new things once :P
~Allie
Just watched the video again! thanks for doing this :)
GREAT IN DEPTH VID! Thanks for making this!
I have THREE of these noiz weapons and I am still learning them!
Doesn't help that I added a Mosstone into the circuit as well.
:P
Three!? My gosh, I can only imagine what that setup is capable of - I wish I could afford another, or a Cowboy Callosum, but I'm a college student. Luckily you can still do a whole lot with 1, though :)
And I just got my mosstone, it is lovely and is perfect with the DK - the two together make a pretty interesting standalone setup!
Great Allie. Really Nice. Which do you think is better the Double Knot V2 or V3 ? Do you know the differences ? Thanks
Your explanations are great
Awesome video! This has actually helped me
understand the MWTRS on my Ciat Lonbarde Plumbutter much better. I hope you get into CL at some point and make some instructional videos 😀
Ha, this is excellent... and right at the point where the DK has become scarce! Guess I missed the boat!
Aw shoot, I know the feeling - some of my dream synths will likely never be produced again. I would definitely keep an eye on Reverb, I've seen a few of them pop up from time to time. Worst case scenario, there's a spiritual successor to the double knot on the horizon according to will of lorre mill :)
@@alliewayaudio9108 spiritual successor, sounds mysterious! I like!
bless you
Beautiful 😍
Nice vid thanks
merci pour cette présentation _ les sons sont magnifique
Very clear voice and Great video
This is not "way too long." It's comprehensive!
Great one ....
You make great videos! Make more?
I just purchased one. waiting for it to come in mail...arfgggghhhh,,,the frustration of waiting..lol...i got the V2...is yours the V1 or V2....Awesome Video
14:22 you say the second knob top left is exponential input but the manual calls it pitch CV in and then the one in the middle on the left side is the FM for both "internally", what is the difference and is there an error in calling any of those what thyere being called? Thanks for your videos
There are two different types/flavors of FM (frequency modulation) Exponential and Linear. Exponential FM and Pitch CV both use the same input jack on the Double Knot. Often times there is a dedicated Pitch CV input and a dedicated Exponential FM input. The “internal” FM controlled by the middle knob and toggle is the Linear type of FM. An over simplified explanation is that linear FM won’t affect the base pitch as much (or as quickly) and exponential FM will almost certainly alter the base pitch and is more extreme when compared to linear FM.
Are you doing the panning, if so how?
It's stereo. Top goes to one channel, bottom goes to the other.
they all go high ... you have to be careful ... indeed😁😂
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