+United States of Embarrassment Yeah, it's a shame I wasn't recruited as a tanker commander in a few of those wars. I could've done with good camping and spawn-camping, er, I mean't Life Camping (Shoot them in the womb)
That is not a Tiger-Engine. The two Tiger-Engine Maybach HL210P30 and HL230 had two L6 engine blocks and engine heads, one exhaust outlet per cylinder and were carburetted gasoline engines with 4 carburettors and throttle valves. This engine here has six L2 blocks, three per side and those blocks each share one exhaust outlet, the engine speed is governed at something, whis is not built into the air intake and suspiciously looking like a fuel injection pump, furthermore every cylinder is aspirated for itself via one of the twelve pipes, whereas in the Maybach Engines 4 cylinders have to share a carburettor and intake pipe. This engine has a lot of fuel piping whereas carburetted engines lack exactly that.
German tanks in WW2 didn't have diesel engines, hence the reason the blew up so easily. From wiki: "The Maybach HL230 is a water-cooled 60° 23 liter V12 gasoline engine designed by Maybach. It was used during World War II in heavy German tanks, namely the Panther, Jagdpanther, Tiger II, Jagdtiger (HL230 P30), and later versions of the Tiger I and Sturmtiger (HL230 P45)."
@@hiddokramer Petrol and gasoline are actually the same thing - standard 4 stroke engine vehicle fuel - only defined with different words. These two words have the same meaning, with the only difference being the term 'petrol' is used in UK and most commonwealth (ex. Canada) countries and the word 'gasoline' in the USA. For britons, canadians, australians, etc. gasoline is actually a derivative of petroleum used for lamp oil (i.e., kerosene). To make thing more obscure and complicate, the americans often shorten their 'gasoline' car fuel as 'gas', a thing that for the rest of the world, is... a gas, while petrol/gasoline is a liquid. ;-) But for god's sake, never point out this or other weirdness to the yankees: they are quite sensitive about doing things 'the right way' even if the rest of the world does (or says) otherwise. :-)
As Ppa Strmpf said... Maybach HL P30........ I work for MTU Detroit Diesel (formally Maybach, Detroit and a few other companies), that ain't no diesel hahaha
I had 2 of these engines in a 57 foot boat I built. They were called AIFO Carraro V12SS. They were twin turbocharged and aftercooled. Rated at 720 bhp at 1550 rpm Before I did the fitting out and with minimum fuel I topped out at 42 kts. Consumption was 60 imperial gallons per hour
Yeah, sounds right...thought I commented on this before, but much searching gave me an Italien marine Francetti? Don't recall exactly .. Yeah, no panzer engine, don't know why BS is so easy🤨😉
Just no roots blower scream !! they do make a sound of there own I have several old 2 stroke GMs out in my shop from a 4-53 to a 12 V 92 TTA fuel squeezer .
+Creedence18 Das war ja der entscheidende Vorteil der russischen Panzer , breitere Ketten , weniger Gewicht und vor allem robuste Dieselmotoren . Da konnten die deutschen Tigerpanzer nicht mithalten .
Der Tiger war recht gut gepanzert aber die Kühlung der Motoren erwies sich als Alptraum für die Besatzungen . Als der Tiger das erste Mal auf dem Kriegsschauplatz erschien begann bei den Alliierten das große Heulen - einfach aus dem Grund dass sie der 88mm Kanone nichts entgegenzusetzen hatten .
Which reminds me I must get my radio controlled Tiger II out of mothballs and give it a bit of grease and run it, hasnt seen daylight in four years, it fires BB shot and the cats hate it.........;-)
M4 Sherman 1942 had gasoline Engine, only Russians had diesel tank at that time. Only Russians! This was superiority of Russia to all other countries at that time! Germans had jet aircraft engines, this is cool. But Russia as a single, had diesel engines for a tank! Everyone who talks contrary - talks shit!
Take my word for it. It is a diesel, At about 2:25 I hear the man say Mercedes Benz Porsche Typ 205 / Tiger II(P) was powered Daimler-Benz MB 509 / 12-cylinder / 1080hp (V1) and also near the end of the war Daimler-Benz MB 517 Diesel / 12-cylinder / 1200hp (V2) BUT SAW LIMITED USE Early Tigers (first 25 were powered by Maybach HL 210 P30 engine, V-12 @ 600 hp Maybach HL 230 P 30, 12-cylinder engine producing 800hp. Later Tigers were powered by Maybach HL 230 P 30, 12-cylinder engine producing 800hp, and the Maybach HL 234 fuel-injected engine (900 hp)
Well I will take your word for it BUT AGAIN, NEVER EVER heard of any normal production Tiger 1 or King Tiger having any engine except a Maybach HL210 or 210 V12....................PETROL !!! ...................especially with anything more then 700HP.......................the " MAUS " was only tank that had a V12 Daimler Benz " DIESEL " engine............and only ONE was ever made................the other , only ONE , had a V12 Daimler Benz V12 " PETROL "...............anyway the Germans tried Diesel engines in NORMAL production for main battle tanks but seem to have no luck with them except in U-Boats or Airships or other prototype Equipment ( may have been One or Two Tigers, but not normal production tanks did, and that was one of their downfalls against the Russian T34
Maybach actually made a diesel engine to be used in a Type III tank. It was not put in mass production. I believe there was only one test model. Diesels back then did not have the power you see in them today, and in winter they would not work without heating the fuel first. Also it would have meant to carry two types of fuel. A T34 switched off for the night would not start if the temperatures were well below freezing. They actually made fires under the tanks sometimes.
Im not sure but i belive many tanks red line around 1500-2500 rpm. They dont produce as much hp as you may guess either but have phenomenal tq numbers from very low in the range. This makes great sense as firstly low rpm means these engines will last, secondly is your doing cross country type driving and your trying to climb up a incline, ditch or obstacle you dont want to have to drop the clutch at high rpm to get a result as this would dramatically increase the odds of gear failure.
It's not cooled right now, because they aren't running it for long, and the block can soak up quite a bit of heat. It has openings for water tubes though, which would either lead to a radiator or pump outside water through the engine if it's a marine engine.
Not even logistics but just natural resources. They were obliged to make and use synthetic gas to run their fleet. That's why they tried to conquier North Africa fast fast... They had no mineral resources for steel so they tried the same in northern countries next to them. The point was just resources. that's the key of all war.
Hi Colin. I don think this is a Tiger engine. Its a 4-stroke diesel, have a close look at the fuel injectors at 2:40. Clear sounds of a low-revving 4 stoke diesel. The Tziger engines I have viewed were petrol engines which had a large center-V compressed intake chamber, inside-V aspiration. The one shown has inner-V exhaust. I may well be wrong thought!
Sherman tanks(M4) were equipped from a radial engine to a multi bank to a dual bank diesel to an inline 6 diesel of US manufacture as well as Canadian and British engines. Russian engines were also fitted. This tank was designed to allow engines to removed and replaced at the depot level as a module as are all modern tanks so an engine swap to something of a differing design is not much of an issue.
Looks like it has TWO Bosch P-series injection pumps.... same ones can be found on 12valve Cummins engines... Injector lines and spill lines... this is 100% a Diesel engine !
American Tank M48 Patton build since 1952 with Gasoline Engine. And first in 1959, M60 Patton with Diesel Engine. And Russians had T-34 in 1940 with diesel!
No, they are usually a lot larger I think. Check out the video of the Hellcat restoration here on TH-cam. The engine in that thing is pretty massive, and it's a fairly small tank destroyer.
Hey BigWolf, your spot on with the exception of the Tiger E which ran diesel i think, so this engine must be comparatively rare. Would have been great to have a petrol example revving!
correct. they had to be started every 2 to 4 hours to keep them warm. allies destroyed oil refineries. the need for oil was very trying in war time and supplies were limited. refined fuels were saved for airplanes, many of which ran on diesel also.
Indeed. Tiger 1 type E has Maybach HL 230 P45 V12 gasoline motor 600hp 23.880cc that uses 570 liters on road & 850 liters on field pro 100 km. Tiger 2 type B has Maybach HL 230 P 30 V12 gasoline motor also 600hp 23.880cc that uses 680 liters on road & 1000 liters on field also pro 100 km. They have such a Königstiger in Saumur France that still rides. I have met Mr. Maybach himself who helped making this possible & he confirmed it rides on gasoline.
There wasn't a diesel tank engine that produced over 1200 hp until the current generation of tanks. I do believe that the British Challenger 1 was the first tank to have a DIESEL engine that powerful and it was introduced into service in 1983.
They are also WW2 era Bosch (Daimler-Benz style) injection pumps, Its also missing its twin vertical shaft turbos.. its most likely a a K-M locomotive engine built after the war..
Well, in the German VDI definition (VDI = German Engineers Association), an Ottomotor has to have an external ignition, in opposite to a Diesel motor which is a self ignition motor. Otto was (among) the inventors of the 4 stroke cycle, but the Ottomotor, which was named in his honor refers to ignition ( mostly spark) motors. SO a diesel Motor can be 2 or 4 strokes and an Ottomotor can also be 2 or 4 strokes.
And then we have the Panther/Panzerkampfwagen V/SdKFZ 171 . The Panther also had a Maybach V12 engine just like the other German Panzerkampfwagen , and it was the Maybach HL230P30/700HP . The different versions of the Skoda panzers (LT-38) used by the Germans did also used gasoline engines , the 6cyl./125HP Praga EPA .
That engine is Korean War era. WWII was the turning point when diesel engines began to see use because of safety- gasoline in a "target" on the battlefield was far more incendiary than fuel oil. The durability factor was actually secondary to the fire and explosion issue. Diesel tanks weren't the norm until the early '50s.
There is a injector pump on the front of the engine, there are no spark plugs or distributors... It's definately a diesel V12, my Cummins will rev that fast with no transmission or clutch to rotate... It's all about the rotating masses... Sounds great, definately not a two stroke since two stroke diesels need superchargers to run ;)
Two Diesel engines were in developement. Ohne was from MAN, two flat twin engines, one over the other with two crankshafts already running 24 cylinders and one from Simmering Graz Pauker inVienna. This was a W-engine, 4 rows of 6 cylinders acting on one crankshaft. This was just mounted on the testbed when the war ended.
I agree, definitely does not sound like a diesel, very fast throttle response and all that, but it sure looks like a diesel. Also... It says it's a diesel in the description. Also really doubt it's from a Tiger or even Tiger II, looks post-WW2.
back here in the Midwest when hot rod tractors were all the rage in the 80s I seen one with a tank engine in it german tanks were diesel and the allies were gas and the allies tanks blew up easy from gas
the sound is typical to diesel engine, there is many good reasons to use a diesel engine, first the relative safety of diesel fuel in comparison to gazoline, the operating reliability of a diesel ( if there is fuel, the engine runs)and ability of a diesel engine to operate at a continuous high torque environnement
Fully aware of that. However, anyway you slice it, You say that they need Peak HP and they do when they're at top speed. They need low end torque to get that much weight out of the hole so it's a balancing act. The HL230's peak power occured @3000 RPM. It was not recommended to be revved over 2600. Peak torque was @2100 RPM. The govenor made sure it didn't rev above 2600 RPM. So now add it up on your fingers and toes how much torque it had at 2600 RPM which isn't far from 2600. It used both.
there is a think in old engines called low compression starter. so no need to big batteries/starter. and in modern tractors have smaller starters, and not low compression ability.
I beg to differ, it does not look at all like an old Maybach "loco" engine. The Bristol Siddeley built Maybachs was mainly based on MD650, MD655 and MD870, and that was in the late 50s.
I wrote that the Diesel gets to viscous and not frozen. That means, that at -22 normal Diesel is not liquid enaugh to be transports in the pipes. The WW2 Gasoline engines dident had significant problems with cold, even the Airplane engines worked fine at -40°and below at 8000m altitude.
The only German Panzer to have a V12 Diesel Motor was the second (V2) - VIII Maus off the production line in 1944. which was rated at 1200hp and could propel the "Mighty Maus" ( 188 tons ) at 12.5 mph !!!
It is pieced together from the german version of the K-M wiki, the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey for Maybach, and MAN, some spoken legends, and a a few books i have read, and some old notes i have. But i cant be 100% shure. I was not alive at that time.
The sign the owner put up says 850hp@1,800rpm, but he also says it's a Tiger engine, which it's not. But he may have gotten the number from a dyno, who knows? He also gives the weight at over 2 tons, and it's very possible he weighed it.
This is diesel engine.You can see operator how push "throtle" on the high-presure pump and pipes between this pump and engine-heads. Definitely,engine is diesel,but I dont know this is maybe from Tiger-tank,but sonds exellent!
And yes to whomever mentioned gasoline operates at much colder conditions than diesel engines do for simple reason that diesel gels up at 15° below 0 plus it takes a minimum of 180° f compressed air inside the diesel engines cylinders to even ignite thus making gasoline way better in colder weather thus why the Russian engines had to be started every 2 hours for 10-20 minutes every day in Action...
rpm range is much lower - well a gas powered version M4a3 ran on a 335.6 kW at 2600 rpm. That is of course so high no diesel engine can approach that.The M4a6 diesel put out 335.6 kW at 2000 rpm.
The Tiver I had a Maybach HL 210 PETROL engine, soon updated to a Maybach HL 230 PETROL engine. Both engines were under powered for such a heavy tank and there was no room to fit a larger, more powerful unit.
No, it is no joke! Only ships and submarines were built with Diesel Engines! The Original Engine of a Tiger Tank is a Maybach V12 Otto Engine with 700hp, the first 250 Tanks had only 650hp (Just take a look at wikipedia and search for Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger)
But he's half right, the JuMo 205 was a diesel aircraft engine, and a nice piece of engineering at that. So far I haven't been able to find any video of it running, I would like to compare it's sound to a Detroit Diesel; both are 2 strokers.
They are all quite correct. Tiger had V12 Maybach petrol engines. All German tanks, and those of the western allies were petrol powered, hence the "Tommy Cooker" name which the Germans used for the Sherman. Russians had diesel tanks though.
Not all alied tanks were petrol. There were GM powerd Shermans (Detroit Twin Diesel) and Guiberson powered Stuarts (9cil. radial Diesel). The alies however decided to concentrate on petrol for logistic reasons.
Actually, no. The gasoline engine had something to do with the requirement the Wehrmacht had for the tanks: 5h of peak efficiency on the equipment. Would it have been 10h, they would have had Diesel engines instead of Otto. Oh, and when you say "our tanks," you gotta specify who "we" are. My grandfather was actually a tank trainer in the Wehrmacht (Panzerwaffe) and trained most elite groups for these machines. Now, he died 17 years ago, but if you look it up, believe me, German tanks were gas.
Indeed, one of the things German industry never really managed was building a reliable big diesel engine for their tanks. Diesel isn't as flammable so it had advantages. In any case, Tiger engines where petrol.
WW 11? Wow, I must have missed a few world wars
+United States of Embarrassment lol
+United States of Embarrassment Yeah, it's a shame I wasn't recruited as a tanker commander in a few of those wars. I could've done with good camping and spawn-camping, er, I mean't Life Camping (Shoot them in the womb)
+United States of Embarrassment ...... the SCAR STRANGLED BANGER
Air Port lol
I thought when i saw ww11in the title i think of the Mercedes w11 formula car😅😅
Only one little problem: The Tiger I's Maybach HL210 and HL230 engines were all petrol engines, not diesel.
jocking3 The Germans called the the sherman tanks "the American cooker" or "Tommy cooker" because they were petrol and went up in flames when hit.
***** So? I said that the german tanks used petrol. And as you said, the american ones too. Only the russians used diesel engines in tanks.
So? The Germans were no better off.
***** omg dude you are so off topic
How? The tanks ran on petrol. The germans thought theres were superior but still ran on petrol. They all cook.Why so sensitive ya bunch of babies?
2:30 The good old "Varta Volkssturm" battery
Tiger Tank is King of Tanks WWII...
Залупа твой тигр. Т 34 best of ze best
Everyone knows that the best tank of ww2 was zis 30
Василий Алибабаич that’s why the tiger tank could blow one up with one shell lamo
With the t34 and the tiger 1 it's really who gets the first shot
Soviet Crab yeah but the t 34 shells didn’t pack that much of a punch they would just bounce off the armour
TIGERS RAN ON PETROL!! NOT DIESEL!!
wrong
Maybach Engine
John McCrank it was a petrol
Christian Andersson Yep, Ottomotor=Petrol
There was a couple of them fitted with diesel onces and they never went mass production
That is not a Tiger-Engine. The two Tiger-Engine Maybach HL210P30 and HL230 had two L6 engine blocks and engine heads, one exhaust outlet per cylinder and were carburetted gasoline engines with 4 carburettors and throttle valves. This engine here has six L2 blocks, three per side and those blocks each share one exhaust outlet, the engine speed is governed at something, whis is not built into the air intake and suspiciously looking like a fuel injection pump, furthermore every cylinder is aspirated for itself via one of the twelve pipes, whereas in the Maybach Engines 4 cylinders have to share a carburettor and intake pipe. This engine has a lot of fuel piping whereas carburetted engines lack exactly that.
German tanks in WW2 didn't have diesel engines, hence the reason the blew up so easily. From wiki: "The Maybach HL230 is a water-cooled 60° 23 liter V12 gasoline engine designed by Maybach. It was used during World War II in heavy German tanks, namely the Panther, Jagdpanther, Tiger II, Jagdtiger (HL230 P30), and later versions of the Tiger I and Sturmtiger (HL230 P45)."
the tigers had a petrol engine.
They used some diesel engines
@@hiddokramer Petrol and gasoline are actually the same thing - standard 4 stroke engine vehicle fuel - only defined with different words. These two words have the same meaning, with the only difference being the term 'petrol' is used in UK and most commonwealth (ex. Canada) countries and the word 'gasoline' in the USA.
For britons, canadians, australians, etc. gasoline is actually a derivative of petroleum used for lamp oil (i.e., kerosene).
To make thing more obscure and complicate, the americans often shorten their 'gasoline' car fuel as 'gas', a thing that for the rest of the world, is... a gas, while petrol/gasoline is a liquid. ;-)
But for god's sake, never point out this or other weirdness to the yankees: they are quite sensitive about doing things 'the right way' even if the rest of the world does (or says) otherwise. :-)
If it's diesel it isn't from a Tiger.
Maybach HL 230 P30 V12 was a PETROL engine.
PpaStrmpf Yes. Tiger tanks didn't have diesel engines.
As Ppa Strmpf said... Maybach HL P30........ I work for MTU Detroit Diesel (formally Maybach, Detroit and a few other companies), that ain't no diesel hahaha
MTU makes perfect engines.
haha, thanks, we do what we can
I had 2 of these engines in a 57 foot boat I built. They were called AIFO Carraro V12SS. They were twin turbocharged and aftercooled. Rated at 720 bhp at 1550 rpm Before I did the fitting out and with minimum fuel I topped out at 42 kts. Consumption was 60 imperial gallons per hour
Yeah, sounds right...thought I commented on this before, but much searching gave me an Italien marine Francetti? Don't recall exactly ..
Yeah, no panzer engine, don't know why BS is so easy🤨😉
Just no roots blower scream !! they do make a sound of there own I have several old 2 stroke GMs out in my shop from a 4-53 to a 12 V 92 TTA fuel squeezer .
German engineering and technology was good. The worst german mistake was to challenge more enemies than they could cope with
that thing is badass. the way it revs up like that seems impressive for an old diesel
The Germans NEVER used those engines.
We only used petrol engines in WW2.
But it's WW11... nah just kidding XD
Super silnik, ciekaw jestem czy zmieścił bym go do swojego Iveco Eurostara. Robi wrażenie jak szybko się wkręca na obroty
Benzinverschwender - der Tiger hat niemals einen Dieselmotor gehabt .
+Harald Gundersson experimental engine.
+Creedence18 Das war ja der entscheidende Vorteil der russischen Panzer , breitere Ketten , weniger Gewicht und vor allem robuste Dieselmotoren . Da konnten die deutschen Tigerpanzer nicht mithalten .
+Harald Gundersson Dafür hat es an der Panzerung gemangelt, geplatzt wie Luftballons sind die.
Der Tiger war recht gut gepanzert aber die Kühlung der Motoren erwies sich als Alptraum für die Besatzungen . Als der Tiger das erste Mal auf dem Kriegsschauplatz erschien begann bei den Alliierten das große Heulen - einfach aus dem Grund dass sie der 88mm Kanone nichts entgegenzusetzen hatten .
Das sieht man doch an den Abgasen bei Dieselmotoren sind sie schwarz bei benzinern sind sie bläulich
На "Тигр" ставили два типа двигателя: HL-210P-30 и HL-230P-45 производства Maybach и Auto Union.
Оба двигателя были БЕНЗИНОВЫМИ! И никаких дизелей.
А от чего этот двигатель?
Which reminds me I must get my radio controlled Tiger II out of mothballs and give it a bit of grease and run it, hasnt seen daylight in four years, it fires BB shot and the cats hate it.........;-)
M4 Sherman 1942 had gasoline Engine, only Russians had diesel tank at that time. Only Russians! This was superiority of Russia to all other countries at that time! Germans had jet aircraft engines, this is cool. But Russia as a single, had diesel engines for a tank! Everyone who talks contrary - talks shit!
WW 11 ? When was that holy shit
lucky guy, you missed 9 world wars. The 7th was he worst I think ;)
WW11 is sooo big they skipped 9 numbers just to describe it!!!
Take my word for it. It is a diesel, At about 2:25 I hear the man say Mercedes Benz
Porsche Typ 205 / Tiger II(P) was powered Daimler-Benz MB 509 / 12-cylinder / 1080hp (V1) and also near the end of the war
Daimler-Benz MB 517 Diesel / 12-cylinder / 1200hp (V2)
BUT SAW LIMITED USE
Early Tigers (first 25 were powered by Maybach HL 210 P30 engine, V-12 @ 600 hp Maybach HL 230 P 30, 12-cylinder engine producing 800hp.
Later Tigers were powered by Maybach HL 230 P 30, 12-cylinder engine producing 800hp, and the Maybach HL 234 fuel-injected engine (900 hp)
Well I will take your word for it BUT AGAIN, NEVER EVER heard of any normal production Tiger 1 or King Tiger having any engine except a Maybach HL210 or 210 V12....................PETROL !!!
...................especially with anything more then 700HP.......................the " MAUS " was only tank that had a V12 Daimler Benz " DIESEL " engine............and only ONE was ever made................the other , only ONE , had a V12 Daimler Benz V12 " PETROL "...............anyway the Germans tried Diesel engines in NORMAL production for main battle tanks but seem to have no luck with them except in U-Boats or Airships or other prototype Equipment ( may have been One or Two Tigers, but not normal production tanks did, and that was one of their downfalls against the Russian T34
Maybach actually made a diesel engine to be used in a Type III tank. It was not put in mass production. I believe there was only one test model.
Diesels back then did not have the power you see in them today, and in winter they would not work without heating the fuel first. Also it would have meant to carry two types of fuel.
A T34 switched off for the night would not start if the temperatures were well below freezing. They actually made fires under the tanks sometimes.
Im not sure but i belive many tanks red line around 1500-2500 rpm. They dont produce as much hp as you may guess either but have phenomenal tq numbers from very low in the range. This makes great sense as firstly low rpm means these engines will last, secondly is your doing cross country type driving and your trying to climb up a incline, ditch or obstacle you dont want to have to drop the clutch at high rpm to get a result as this would dramatically increase the odds of gear failure.
How many modern engines would sound as good as that 60 years or so later
Just a solid beautiful running engine hard to believe built 70 years ago
its not from a tiger and not from any other german tank.
Boat maybe?
I don't hope you guys paid to much for this engine. :D
It's nice but a Tiger engine it is not!
Fair enough. I list the model and maker of the engine somewhere. People didnt seem to want to thumb it up, and now the debate continues
Ох люблю "Чистый" метал в действии ) Тем более живой двигатель времен мировой. За место музыки можно слушать :)
It's not cooled right now, because they aren't running it for long, and the block can soak up quite a bit of heat. It has openings for water tubes though, which would either lead to a radiator or pump outside water through the engine if it's a marine engine.
This engine is an Isotta Fraschini model SS 46.3 litre V12 diesel
Not even logistics but just natural resources.
They were obliged to make and use synthetic gas to run their fleet.
That's why they tried to conquier North Africa fast fast...
They had no mineral resources for steel so they tried the same in northern countries next to them.
The point was just resources.
that's the key of all war.
RIP South-North Pole
Do a little reading of the truth th-cam.com/users/TonyHeller1videos
Hi Colin. I don think this is a Tiger engine. Its a 4-stroke diesel, have a close look at the fuel injectors at 2:40. Clear sounds of a low-revving 4 stoke diesel. The Tziger engines I have viewed were petrol engines which had a large center-V compressed intake chamber, inside-V aspiration. The one shown has inner-V exhaust. I may well be wrong thought!
Sherman tanks(M4) were equipped from a radial engine to a multi bank to a dual bank diesel to an inline 6 diesel of US manufacture as well as Canadian and British engines.
Russian engines were also fitted.
This tank was designed to allow engines to removed and replaced at the depot level as a module as are all modern tanks so an engine swap to something of a differing design is not much of an issue.
Looks like it has TWO Bosch P-series injection pumps.... same ones can be found on 12valve Cummins engines...
Injector lines and spill lines... this is 100% a Diesel engine !
American Tank M48 Patton build since 1952 with Gasoline Engine. And first in 1959, M60 Patton with Diesel Engine. And Russians had T-34 in 1940 with diesel!
Prius repellent
lol
LMA
Sounds great!
No, they are usually a lot larger I think. Check out the video of the Hellcat restoration here on TH-cam. The engine in that thing is pretty massive, and it's a fairly small tank destroyer.
It's a diesel engine!! the injection pumps is in the front of the engine, or were is the carburetors.
if it's a tiger... then it's gasoline...
Hey BigWolf, your spot on with the exception of the Tiger E which ran diesel i think, so this engine must be comparatively rare. Would have been great to have a petrol example revving!
correct. they had to be started every 2 to 4 hours to keep them warm. allies destroyed oil refineries. the need for oil was very trying in war time and supplies were limited. refined fuels were saved for airplanes, many of which ran on diesel also.
I want to buy this engine just to piss off my neighbours,,,5 streets over :)
Indeed. Tiger 1 type E has Maybach HL 230 P45 V12 gasoline motor 600hp 23.880cc that uses 570 liters on road & 850 liters on field pro 100 km.
Tiger 2 type B has Maybach HL 230 P 30 V12 gasoline motor also 600hp 23.880cc that uses 680 liters on road & 1000 liters on field also pro 100 km.
They have such a Königstiger in Saumur France that still rides. I have met Mr. Maybach himself who helped making this possible & he confirmed it rides on gasoline.
There wasn't a diesel tank engine that produced over 1200 hp until the current generation of tanks. I do believe that the British Challenger 1 was the first tank to have a DIESEL engine that powerful and it was introduced into service in 1983.
das ganze ohne kühlung!respect!
Superb that...It seems to sound and run better than the one at Bovington in the Tiger there..
no spark plugs. The compression alone makes the fuel ignite. the injectors in newer diesels are electrical fired and hydraulically powered.
Thats the engine i whant in my boat and what a sond amasing video ceap up the good work Peace and love from norway
They are also WW2 era Bosch (Daimler-Benz style) injection pumps, Its also missing its twin vertical shaft turbos.. its most likely a a K-M locomotive engine built after the war..
Well, in the German VDI definition (VDI = German Engineers Association), an Ottomotor has to have an external ignition, in opposite to a Diesel motor which is a self ignition motor. Otto was (among) the inventors of the 4 stroke cycle, but the Ottomotor, which was named in his honor refers to ignition ( mostly spark) motors. SO a diesel Motor can be 2 or 4 strokes and an Ottomotor can also be 2 or 4 strokes.
He gets his kicks outta that throttle !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And then we have the Panther/Panzerkampfwagen V/SdKFZ 171 .
The Panther also had a Maybach V12 engine just like the other German Panzerkampfwagen , and it was the Maybach HL230P30/700HP . The different versions of the Skoda panzers (LT-38) used by the Germans did also used gasoline engines , the 6cyl./125HP Praga EPA .
That engine is Korean War era. WWII was the turning point when diesel engines began to see use because of safety- gasoline in a "target" on the battlefield was far more incendiary than fuel oil. The durability factor was actually secondary to the fire and explosion issue. Diesel tanks weren't the norm until the early '50s.
whatever it comes from it sounds nice.
There is a injector pump on the front of the engine, there are no spark plugs or distributors...
It's definately a diesel V12, my Cummins will rev that fast with no transmission or clutch to rotate...
It's all about the rotating masses...
Sounds great, definately not a two stroke since two stroke diesels need superchargers to run ;)
Two Diesel engines were in developement. Ohne was from MAN, two flat twin engines, one over the other with two crankshafts already running 24 cylinders and one from Simmering Graz Pauker inVienna. This was a W-engine, 4 rows of 6 cylinders acting on one crankshaft. This was just mounted on the testbed when the war ended.
I agree, definitely does not sound like a diesel, very fast throttle response and all that, but it sure looks like a diesel.
Also... It says it's a diesel in the description.
Also really doubt it's from a Tiger or even Tiger II, looks post-WW2.
All diesels rely on compression ignition. Some are just designed to start up on petrol (gas) and then switch to diesel.
back here in the Midwest when hot rod tractors were all the rage in the 80s I seen one with a tank engine in it german tanks were diesel and the allies were gas and the allies tanks blew up easy from gas
the sound is typical to diesel engine, there is many good reasons to use a diesel engine, first the relative safety of diesel fuel in comparison to gazoline, the operating reliability of a diesel ( if there is fuel, the engine runs)and ability of a diesel engine to operate at a continuous high torque environnement
Yea thats definately a diesel no doubt about that...
i see the devil coming out when he revs it.
but overall that thing runs clean.
and that sound
...and heavy and not too reliable either but phenomenally armed and armoured
Fully aware of that. However, anyway you slice it, You say that they need Peak HP and they do when they're at top speed. They need low end torque to get that much weight out of the hole so it's a balancing act. The HL230's peak power occured @3000 RPM. It was not recommended to be revved over 2600. Peak torque was @2100 RPM. The govenor made sure it didn't rev above 2600 RPM. So now add it up on your fingers and toes how much torque it had at 2600 RPM which isn't far from 2600. It used both.
there is a think in old engines called low compression starter.
so no need to big batteries/starter. and in modern tractors have smaller starters, and not low compression ability.
I beg to differ, it does not look at all like an old Maybach "loco" engine. The Bristol Siddeley built Maybachs was mainly based on MD650, MD655 and MD870, and that was in the late 50s.
Diesel injection didn't change much, except lately with common rail hight pressure injection which are slightly different.
I wrote that the Diesel gets to viscous and not frozen. That means, that at -22 normal Diesel is not liquid enaugh to be transports in the pipes. The WW2 Gasoline engines dident had significant problems with cold, even the Airplane engines worked fine at -40°and below at 8000m altitude.
The only German Panzer to have a V12 Diesel Motor was the second (V2) - VIII Maus off the production line in 1944. which was rated at 1200hp and could propel the "Mighty Maus" ( 188 tons ) at 12.5 mph !!!
Tiger engine: Maybach HL 230 P45 V-12 à essence et refroidissement par eau,
cylindrée 23,8 litres
700 ch (514,8 kW) à 3 000 tr/min
Imagine the torque that this bad boy has.
Как пчелка жужит. Хоть прямо сча на Сталинград)
It is pieced together from the german version of the K-M wiki, the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey for Maybach, and MAN, some spoken legends, and a a few books i have read, and some old notes i have. But i cant be 100% shure. I was not alive at that time.
The sign the owner put up says 850hp@1,800rpm, but he also says it's a Tiger engine, which it's not. But he may have gotten the number from a dyno, who knows? He also gives the weight at over 2 tons, and it's very possible he weighed it.
That is running sweet! Lots of work!
I'm pretty sure that the engine is Soviet made diesel engine, model V-2. It was used at least in T-34 tank series and IS tank series.
the torque ....its over 9000!!!
This is diesel engine.You can see operator how push "throtle" on the high-presure pump and pipes between this pump and engine-heads.
Definitely,engine is diesel,but I dont know this is maybe from Tiger-tank,but sonds exellent!
And yes to whomever mentioned gasoline operates at much colder conditions than diesel engines do for simple reason that diesel gels up at 15° below 0 plus it takes a minimum of 180° f compressed air inside the diesel engines cylinders to even ignite thus making gasoline way better in colder weather thus why the Russian engines had to be started every 2 hours for 10-20 minutes every day in Action...
Roman Numerals god dammit. beast of an engine more to the point
rpm range is much lower - well a gas powered version M4a3 ran on a 335.6 kW at 2600 rpm. That is of course so high no diesel engine can approach that.The M4a6 diesel put out 335.6 kW at 2000 rpm.
If I'm not mistaken WWII Tiger tanks had no diesel engines but a petrol Maybach engine!
determine the time where you see sparkplugs.
i see only diesel injectors and maybe glowplugs in air intake.
Im Tiger-Panzer war nie ein Dieselmotor
sondern ein Maybach 12-Zylinder-Ottomotor 700 PS (515 kW)
This is Simmering- Graz-Pauker Sla.16 diesel which was also used on Tiger II besides petrol.
The Tiver I had a Maybach HL 210 PETROL engine, soon updated to a Maybach HL 230 PETROL engine. Both engines were under powered for such a heavy tank and there was no room to fit a larger, more powerful unit.
No, it is no joke! Only ships and submarines were built with Diesel Engines! The Original Engine of a Tiger Tank is a Maybach V12 Otto Engine with 700hp, the first 250 Tanks had only 650hp (Just take a look at wikipedia and search for Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger)
But he's half right, the JuMo 205 was a diesel aircraft engine, and a nice piece of engineering at that. So far I haven't been able to find any video of it running, I would like to compare it's sound to a Detroit Diesel; both are 2 strokers.
Wow the sound of this engine is so good, I only hope one day it will power something..
so far ahead of the allies in every way technologically,, and still are this this day !!
Deutsche Technik hält für die Ewigkeit!
You are correct.. If I had to guess I would say perhaps the Diesel V12 from a Soviet T-34.
WW11? Did I pull a Rip Van Winkle and miss the last 9?
They are all quite correct. Tiger had V12 Maybach petrol engines. All German tanks, and those of the western allies were petrol powered, hence the "Tommy Cooker" name which the Germans used for the Sherman. Russians had diesel tanks though.
Not all alied tanks were petrol. There were GM powerd Shermans (Detroit Twin Diesel) and Guiberson powered Stuarts (9cil. radial Diesel). The alies however decided to concentrate on petrol for logistic reasons.
Is not a engine of Panzer Tiger (Maybach HL230), but a very nice sound :-)
That engine is from the Russian T34 tank from WW2 era.
Approx 500HP and developed from a BMW design.
Actually, no. The gasoline engine had something to do with the requirement the Wehrmacht had for the tanks: 5h of peak efficiency on the equipment. Would it have been 10h, they would have had Diesel engines instead of Otto. Oh, and when you say "our tanks," you gotta specify who "we" are. My grandfather was actually a tank trainer in the Wehrmacht (Panzerwaffe) and trained most elite groups for these machines. Now, he died 17 years ago, but if you look it up, believe me, German tanks were gas.
Indeed, one of the things German industry never really managed was building a reliable big diesel engine for their tanks. Diesel isn't as flammable so it had advantages.
In any case, Tiger engines where petrol.
Sounds like it runs really smooth for a diesel
lol remember we had enough, we turned the whole mid east into a giant paved parking lot with one gigantic wall mart.